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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 03 2016 23:07 GMT
#3641
Trfel, I seem to recall most of the reason for your scumread being that I'm playing more seriously than in some two other games. You should probably ignore that. I play all sorts of town games. In general, doing bits (tunneling super hard, split personalities, elaborate schemes, fabulous speeches etc) takes time, of which I haven't had much (it's the holidays) this game.

Computer says mafia
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 23:09 GMT
#3642
On January 04 2016 08:07 Damdred wrote:
But you are cherry picking to a degree trfel. You wave dark tournament around but then ignore his most recent game of,nutcracjer where he didn't Carr about the d1 lynch but turned it on d2.

I'm not sure it makes him town or scum though
Oh, I didn't realize that he played in that game. I'll take a look.

You expect town to not care about lynches? You expect town to not care about finding mafia?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 03 2016 23:09 GMT
#3643
Like I know this does not matter to you guys.

But there is 100% no way that kush, for two days in a row or something, is right about my alignment when rayn/artanis/hf/damdred/koshi/trfel and the list goes on are wrong.

Literally the only other person I remember actually calling me town is rsoultin. (I think she did). It's really annoying, but it's also glaringly obvious.

Kush either knows I'm town (cop) or he's scum.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 03 2016 23:10 GMT
#3644
On January 04 2016 08:09 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2016 08:07 Damdred wrote:
But you are cherry picking to a degree trfel. You wave dark tournament around but then ignore his most recent game of,nutcracjer where he didn't Carr about the d1 lynch but turned it on d2.

I'm not sure it makes him town or scum though
Oh, I didn't realize that he played in that game. I'll take a look.

You expect town to not care about lynches? You expect town to not care about finding mafia?

exhibit 1: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/500627-outlaw-mini-mafia?user=coagulation

in short, yes.
Computer says mafia
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 03 2016 23:11 GMT
#3645
Moosey in this game was another example.

It happens all the time.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 23:12 GMT
#3646
On January 04 2016 08:07 Palmar wrote:
Trfel, I seem to recall most of the reason for your scumread being that I'm playing more seriously than in some two other games. You should probably ignore that. I play all sorts of town games. In general, doing bits (tunneling super hard, split personalities, elaborate schemes, fabulous speeches etc) takes time, of which I haven't had much (it's the holidays) this game.

I'm having trouble understanding your reads. I don't feel like you're actually pushing anything (except for the Artanis push, which was really awful for other reasons). It feels more like you're playing to survive rather than to solve the game.

Sure, I'll check again tonight though.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 03 2016 23:14 GMT
#3647
Damdred, before night 2 (ie d1, n1 and d2) why did you think I am mafia?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 03 2016 23:15 GMT
#3648
On January 04 2016 08:12 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2016 08:07 Palmar wrote:
Trfel, I seem to recall most of the reason for your scumread being that I'm playing more seriously than in some two other games. You should probably ignore that. I play all sorts of town games. In general, doing bits (tunneling super hard, split personalities, elaborate schemes, fabulous speeches etc) takes time, of which I haven't had much (it's the holidays) this game.

I'm having trouble understanding your reads. I don't feel like you're actually pushing anything (except for the Artanis push, which was really awful for other reasons). It feels more like you're playing to survive rather than to solve the game.

Sure, I'll check again tonight though.

which read do you have trouble with?
Computer says mafia
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 23:15 GMT
#3649
Yes, sometimes town will not care about finding mafia.

However, look at nooniansoong's filter in this game. He's clearly putting in effort, or at least he thinks he is.

On Day 1, he still didn't actually care about the lynch, and even now it's difficult to get him to explain his scum reads, despite his decent activity.

That's the contrast. It's not that he just doesn't care at all, it's that he cares about the game but not about the lynch.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 03 2016 23:17 GMT
#3650
On January 04 2016 08:09 Palmar wrote:
Like I know this does not matter to you guys.

But there is 100% no way that kush, for two days in a row or something, is right about my alignment when rayn/artanis/hf/damdred/koshi/trfel and the list goes on are wrong.

Literally the only other person I remember actually calling me town is rsoultin. (I think she did). It's really annoying, but it's also glaringly obvious.

Kush either knows I'm town (cop) or he's scum.


im vt bro.
trfel dont nk me.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 03 2016 23:17 GMT
#3651
On January 04 2016 08:14 Palmar wrote:
Damdred, before night 2 (ie d1, n1 and d2) why did you think I am mafia?


I thought your vote oe on Rels was super opportunistic and if Tt was scum it would totally fit your meta of trying to help your team towards a common goal.

Also lack of thread prescense early with a really lack of any type of push that I could see.

There were a couple a spots that gave me pause and Tt flipping town has given me more pause to you and wanting to get my read right today.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 03 2016 23:18 GMT
#3652
On January 04 2016 08:17 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2016 08:14 Palmar wrote:
Damdred, before night 2 (ie d1, n1 and d2) why did you think I am mafia?


I thought your vote oe on Rels was super opportunistic and if Tt was scum it would totally fit your meta of trying to help your team towards a common goal.

Also lack of thread prescense early with a really lack of any type of push that I could see.

There were a couple a spots that gave me pause and Tt flipping town has given me more pause to you and wanting to get my read right today.

Why did you never talk about any of these things?
Computer says mafia
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 03 2016 23:18 GMT
#3653
Does that make someone scum though trfel?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 03 2016 23:20 GMT
#3654
Like your ENTIRE filter talking about me that I can find up until the past two hours is this:

On December 30 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
Emergency shifts at work are fun I had my analysis done but it's at home on ny conp.

Just incase here's my reads without reasoning but will elaborate if I survive please if I die don't discredit I promise they are well reasoned and thought through.

Town:
Damdred
Rsoultin/Coag
Raynbabyrayn
Artanis
Shining
Vivax
Koshi

Probably town:
Gliwingbear
Holyflare
Exp
Kush
SL
Rit

Night action please
Ticktock. This makes me uneasy as I feel could be town vs town.

Nullish
Onegu maybe I should trust rs read here I had town feels at one point.
Ness what happened to our love it faded so quickly had him more town than null in my notes

Scum lean:
Slam
Palmar
Obvious one


On January 03 2016 07:58 Damdred wrote:
In case I die by ritoky shooting me or anything just a short post since stuck in traffic.

Town:
Damdred
Coag
Kush
SL

I think SL has a shot but if he's scum he is playing a really strong scum game and I congratulate him. Kush also would be playing great if he's scum I think but the possibility I'm drastically misreading him is present and I feel like hedging a small bit in that regard.

Probably town
Exo
HF
Koshi
Shining
Ritoky

Out of this group in worried that ritoky is tricking me. His claiming the gun like he did wasn't like ritoky but I've seen him do similar things. Shinings inactivity bothers me so he's falling try to make him do things but I still think town.

Vivax I would actually pay a lot of attention to, he fell off decently hard and hasn't really been pushing a lot or involved he's worth a bit of pushing on.

Obvious one also deserves a bit his pushes and reads don't make a ton of sense to me or at least the reasoning. Plus general inactivity

Moosey and his sudden burst of posting made me want to town read him but put pressure on him.

GB has fallen off the face of the earth and just doesn't seem to care about pushing his thoughts right now or riding the scum train to death. I actually think he's possible scum again.

If nm doesn't post a ton and just randomly scrwws off during his active times lynch him no matter what.

I like obi as town here he's really not aucking up to people and trying to get on there good side. Its not a 100% read but I think its a good shot at town.

Trfel idk me get be town or scum I'm really undecided without having my notes on hand.

Oneg probably wouldn't go one v one unless he's like the scum big and just wants the rest of his shots to go through. Its total suicide but totally worth it if he goes 1 v 1 and all the big shots go off. It doesn't 100% mean he's town because he acted the way he did.

Palmar is idk very possible scum currently

Ran out of time if I'm alive after day I'll try to elaborate more


That's it, I don't think you talked about me at all beside that
Computer says mafia
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 23:21 GMT
#3655
On January 04 2016 08:15 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2016 08:12 Trfel wrote:
On January 04 2016 08:07 Palmar wrote:
Trfel, I seem to recall most of the reason for your scumread being that I'm playing more seriously than in some two other games. You should probably ignore that. I play all sorts of town games. In general, doing bits (tunneling super hard, split personalities, elaborate schemes, fabulous speeches etc) takes time, of which I haven't had much (it's the holidays) this game.

I'm having trouble understanding your reads. I don't feel like you're actually pushing anything (except for the Artanis push, which was really awful for other reasons). It feels more like you're playing to survive rather than to solve the game.

Sure, I'll check again tonight though.

which read do you have trouble with?
Sorry, I need to leave Sauna again. I'm going back to college tomorrow, there's no way that a game of mafia is going to take me away from my family.

I can't remember stuff well, but off the top of my head....

Do you really think that it is a mechanically correct play for the cop to claim a green check to defend you? If not, why did you ask the cop to check you Night 1?
I'm having a hard time understanding how you could scumread Onegu and Damdred so heavily right after the Tictock flip, and take this long to come around, when basically everyone else wasn't sure about reads on them shortly after the flip.

Can you explain your Alakaslam read?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 03 2016 23:21 GMT
#3656
On January 04 2016 08:18 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2016 08:17 Damdred wrote:
On January 04 2016 08:14 Palmar wrote:
Damdred, before night 2 (ie d1, n1 and d2) why did you think I am mafia?


I thought your vote oe on Rels was super opportunistic and if Tt was scum it would totally fit your meta of trying to help your team towards a common goal.

Also lack of thread prescense early with a really lack of any type of push that I could see.

There were a couple a spots that gave me pause and Tt flipping town has given me more pause to you and wanting to get my read right today.

Why did you never talk about any of these things?


I wasn't super worried about it d2 due to what I considered to be scum claiming scum. D1 was a weekend cycle mostly. And I was more focused on Tt honestly.

Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 03 2016 23:22 GMT
#3657
On January 04 2016 08:20 Palmar wrote:
Like your ENTIRE filter talking about me that I can find up until the past two hours is this:

Show nested quote +
On December 30 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
Emergency shifts at work are fun I had my analysis done but it's at home on ny conp.

Just incase here's my reads without reasoning but will elaborate if I survive please if I die don't discredit I promise they are well reasoned and thought through.

Town:
Damdred
Rsoultin/Coag
Raynbabyrayn
Artanis
Shining
Vivax
Koshi

Probably town:
Gliwingbear
Holyflare
Exp
Kush
SL
Rit

Night action please
Ticktock. This makes me uneasy as I feel could be town vs town.

Nullish
Onegu maybe I should trust rs read here I had town feels at one point.
Ness what happened to our love it faded so quickly had him more town than null in my notes

Scum lean:
Slam
Palmar
Obvious one


Show nested quote +
On January 03 2016 07:58 Damdred wrote:
In case I die by ritoky shooting me or anything just a short post since stuck in traffic.

Town:
Damdred
Coag
Kush
SL

I think SL has a shot but if he's scum he is playing a really strong scum game and I congratulate him. Kush also would be playing great if he's scum I think but the possibility I'm drastically misreading him is present and I feel like hedging a small bit in that regard.

Probably town
Exo
HF
Koshi
Shining
Ritoky

Out of this group in worried that ritoky is tricking me. His claiming the gun like he did wasn't like ritoky but I've seen him do similar things. Shinings inactivity bothers me so he's falling try to make him do things but I still think town.

Vivax I would actually pay a lot of attention to, he fell off decently hard and hasn't really been pushing a lot or involved he's worth a bit of pushing on.

Obvious one also deserves a bit his pushes and reads don't make a ton of sense to me or at least the reasoning. Plus general inactivity

Moosey and his sudden burst of posting made me want to town read him but put pressure on him.

GB has fallen off the face of the earth and just doesn't seem to care about pushing his thoughts right now or riding the scum train to death. I actually think he's possible scum again.

If nm doesn't post a ton and just randomly scrwws off during his active times lynch him no matter what.

I like obi as town here he's really not aucking up to people and trying to get on there good side. Its not a 100% read but I think its a good shot at town.

Trfel idk me get be town or scum I'm really undecided without having my notes on hand.

Oneg probably wouldn't go one v one unless he's like the scum big and just wants the rest of his shots to go through. Its total suicide but totally worth it if he goes 1 v 1 and all the big shots go off. It doesn't 100% mean he's town because he acted the way he did.

Palmar is idk very possible scum currently

Ran out of time if I'm alive after day I'll try to elaborate more


That's it, I don't think you talked about me at all beside that


While this is true you could also make the same argument how I approached hf.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 03 2016 23:24 GMT
#3658
On January 04 2016 08:21 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2016 08:15 Palmar wrote:
On January 04 2016 08:12 Trfel wrote:
On January 04 2016 08:07 Palmar wrote:
Trfel, I seem to recall most of the reason for your scumread being that I'm playing more seriously than in some two other games. You should probably ignore that. I play all sorts of town games. In general, doing bits (tunneling super hard, split personalities, elaborate schemes, fabulous speeches etc) takes time, of which I haven't had much (it's the holidays) this game.

I'm having trouble understanding your reads. I don't feel like you're actually pushing anything (except for the Artanis push, which was really awful for other reasons). It feels more like you're playing to survive rather than to solve the game.

Sure, I'll check again tonight though.

which read do you have trouble with?
Sorry, I need to leave Sauna again. I'm going back to college tomorrow, there's no way that a game of mafia is going to take me away from my family.

I can't remember stuff well, but off the top of my head....

Do you really think that it is a mechanically correct play for the cop to claim a green check to defend you? If not, why did you ask the cop to check you Night 1?
I'm having a hard time understanding how you could scumread Onegu and Damdred so heavily right after the Tictock flip, and take this long to come around, when basically everyone else wasn't sure about reads on them shortly after the flip.

Can you explain your Alakaslam read?


It's good to be checked either way when people are scumreading me so much. And cop doesn't have to claim, in fact, wasn't it you who in like your first game or something (carol) who bossed around lynches WITHOUT claiming as a cop?

I didn't scumread them hard, I just wanted to kill them. I don't think I ever mentioned a possible world where they're both mafia.

I have no read on slam. The only thing I know is that his rage about the modding thing is very, very out of character for him. I generally don't have a read on slam (you can verify this in multiple games we've played). I am clearly not one with the chupazi or whatever because I have no idea how to figure him out. I just rely on other people doing it for me. (I basically don't read anything he writes).
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 03 2016 23:24 GMT
#3659
On January 04 2016 08:22 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2016 08:20 Palmar wrote:
Like your ENTIRE filter talking about me that I can find up until the past two hours is this:

On December 30 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
Emergency shifts at work are fun I had my analysis done but it's at home on ny conp.

Just incase here's my reads without reasoning but will elaborate if I survive please if I die don't discredit I promise they are well reasoned and thought through.

Town:
Damdred
Rsoultin/Coag
Raynbabyrayn
Artanis
Shining
Vivax
Koshi

Probably town:
Gliwingbear
Holyflare
Exp
Kush
SL
Rit

Night action please
Ticktock. This makes me uneasy as I feel could be town vs town.

Nullish
Onegu maybe I should trust rs read here I had town feels at one point.
Ness what happened to our love it faded so quickly had him more town than null in my notes

Scum lean:
Slam
Palmar
Obvious one


On January 03 2016 07:58 Damdred wrote:
In case I die by ritoky shooting me or anything just a short post since stuck in traffic.

Town:
Damdred
Coag
Kush
SL

I think SL has a shot but if he's scum he is playing a really strong scum game and I congratulate him. Kush also would be playing great if he's scum I think but the possibility I'm drastically misreading him is present and I feel like hedging a small bit in that regard.

Probably town
Exo
HF
Koshi
Shining
Ritoky

Out of this group in worried that ritoky is tricking me. His claiming the gun like he did wasn't like ritoky but I've seen him do similar things. Shinings inactivity bothers me so he's falling try to make him do things but I still think town.

Vivax I would actually pay a lot of attention to, he fell off decently hard and hasn't really been pushing a lot or involved he's worth a bit of pushing on.

Obvious one also deserves a bit his pushes and reads don't make a ton of sense to me or at least the reasoning. Plus general inactivity

Moosey and his sudden burst of posting made me want to town read him but put pressure on him.

GB has fallen off the face of the earth and just doesn't seem to care about pushing his thoughts right now or riding the scum train to death. I actually think he's possible scum again.

If nm doesn't post a ton and just randomly scrwws off during his active times lynch him no matter what.

I like obi as town here he's really not aucking up to people and trying to get on there good side. Its not a 100% read but I think its a good shot at town.

Trfel idk me get be town or scum I'm really undecided without having my notes on hand.

Oneg probably wouldn't go one v one unless he's like the scum big and just wants the rest of his shots to go through. Its total suicide but totally worth it if he goes 1 v 1 and all the big shots go off. It doesn't 100% mean he's town because he acted the way he did.

Palmar is idk very possible scum currently

Ran out of time if I'm alive after day I'll try to elaborate more


That's it, I don't think you talked about me at all beside that


While this is true you could also make the same argument how I approached hf.

did you scumread hf?
Computer says mafia
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 23:25 GMT
#3660
On January 04 2016 08:18 Damdred wrote:
Does that make someone scum though trfel?
It's extremely mafia motivated.

There are a lot of reasons why I am scumreading nooniansoong, I'm simplifying it. I'm trying the scumread form of :
I think that [player] is scum for these reasons. Here is an example of each.

Nooniansoong's apathy towards the Day 1 lynch is one example, the big-picture reason being that he doesn't care about solving the game, which is very mafia motivated.
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