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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 03 2016 22:38 GMT
#3621
This is possibly lynch worthy
Computer says mafia
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 22:39 GMT
#3622
On December 27 2015 10:57 nooniansoong wrote:
Hi everybody. I'm a kush smurf.
This game I am going to try hard to work on read accuracy.

I just did a quick read through. Exo gave me mafia feels in his few posts, but that doesn't mean much.

I liked hf's first post. Then ness said he needed to write a lot in defense. Ness, I urge you to write as little as possible while still honestly addressing hf's concerns.

On December 28 2015 06:04 nooniansoong wrote:
TT was very try hard as mafia last game. I suppose his play could be scum feeling mafia fatigue. I think he is more likely low effort town.
Nooniansoong, I'm not sure how these posts fit with your process-of-elimination mindset described here. How can you get mafia feels from ExO_'s first few posts? And why do you feel that Tictock is more likely town than mafia, while you say that when you can't find a reason to townread people, you assume that they are mafia?

Am I misunderstanding something?
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 03 2016 22:40 GMT
#3623
i broke my wrist today, will not be able to participate much until the pain goes down. sorry
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 03 2016 22:41 GMT
#3624
On January 04 2016 07:37 Palmar wrote:
Stop arguing with kush guys, he's clearly the cop


who do you think you are? sicklucker
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 03 2016 22:42 GMT
#3625
Ya im also in the end of a 500 team dota tournament. should be inactive torm

sry ritoky =[
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 22:43 GMT
#3626
Palmar, why did you decide that nooniansoong is town?

What exactly made you think that Onegu and Damdred are not good lynches today, I'm having trouble understanding what you're getting at.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 03 2016 22:47 GMT
#3627
I promised to talk about the onegu/damdred thing.

There is no way they're both mafia. The reason for this is that they both look bad when tictock flips. It's too much invested into getting one random guy lynched. Even if mafia knew he was a role. IF mafia knows he's a role (rolecop) only damdred can be mafia (and not onegu) because there is no way onegu claims a red on him as mafia, knowing he'll just claim blue and will never be cc'd. We also know (from the nightkills on n2) that mafia had not at day 2 hit any townies with the rolecop (JK/Cop is autokill and the masons are already outed). So, either the mafia rolecop missed, or it hit tt, in which case only damdred can be mafia.

On the other hand, if mafia had no idea what tt's role was, onegu can be mafia, and if he is, damdred is almost certainly not, because people (like myself) were actively calling for the gunsmith not to CC tictock. The only problem with this theory is why would onegu go 1 for 1 on someone whose role he doesn't know and who is so scummy that people were literally mad that he didn't get lynched on day 1. It's just not worth it.

So, technically it's more likely damdred is mafia, but I really, really think they're both town.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 03 2016 22:49 GMT
#3628
On January 04 2016 07:43 Trfel wrote:
Palmar, why did you decide that nooniansoong is town?

What exactly made you think that Onegu and Damdred are not good lynches today, I'm having trouble understanding what you're getting at.

That post regarding kush was sarcastic. He is still a good lynch, mostly for basically TMI on me. There is no way kush suddenly became better at figuring out alignments than those other people.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 03 2016 22:49 GMT
#3629
On January 04 2016 07:43 Trfel wrote:
Palmar, why did you decide that nooniansoong is town?

What exactly made you think that Onegu and Damdred are not good lynches today, I'm having trouble understanding what you're getting at.

I was just writing it up
Computer says mafia
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2016 22:50 GMT
#3630
Vote Count - Day 3


Alakaslam (3): ritoky, nooniansoong, sicklucker
Palmar (3): Coagulation, NocturneMage, GlowingBear
Onegu (2): Alakaslam, NocturneMage, ObiWanShinobi
NocturneMage (1): Damdred, sicklucker
GlowingBear (1): Palmar
Trfel (0): ObiWanShinobi
ritoky (0): sicklucker

Not Voting (5): Onegu, ObviousOne, ExO_, Trfel, The Shining

At this time, Alakaslam is slated to be lynched.
Day 3 end in on Monday, Jan 04 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).

The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 22:53 GMT
#3631
Palmar, given how Tictock didn't claim his role despite barely avoiding being lynched Day 1, why would you expect mafia to rolecop him?

I'd think that they'd barely prefer rolechecking Tictock to rolechecking themselves.

You don't think that Onegu can be mafia for the WIFOM play?
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
January 03 2016 22:55 GMT
#3632
On January 04 2016 07:47 Palmar wrote:
I promised to talk about the onegu/damdred thing.

There is no way they're both mafia. The reason for this is that they both look bad when tictock flips. It's too much invested into getting one random guy lynched. Even if mafia knew he was a role. IF mafia knows he's a role (rolecop) only damdred can be mafia (and not onegu) because there is no way onegu claims a red on him as mafia, knowing he'll just claim blue and will never be cc'd. We also know (from the nightkills on n2) that mafia had not at day 2 hit any townies with the rolecop (JK/Cop is autokill and the masons are already outed). So, either the mafia rolecop missed, or it hit tt, in which case only damdred can be mafia.

On the other hand, if mafia had no idea what tt's role was, onegu can be mafia, and if he is, damdred is almost certainly not, because people (like myself) were actively calling for the gunsmith not to CC tictock. The only problem with this theory is why would onegu go 1 for 1 on someone whose role he doesn't know and who is so scummy that people were literally mad that he didn't get lynched on day 1. It's just not worth it.

So, technically it's more likely damdred is mafia, but I really, really think they're both town.


For the Onegu theory, isn't it possible an RC that isn't Damdred RCd TT and it was shared in scum QT? If Onegu is a goon, him going 1 for 1 to eliminate the GS before a 2nd gun is given out makes total sense.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 03 2016 22:57 GMT
#3633
That gb ninjas vote though.

TBH the super stubbornness kush has here about this read generally comes from town for the most part.

Its a bad read I think, and totally about null things. But what's the point if your scum fighting tooth and nail about it? It makes you look like you have tmi maybe my expectations are a bit high but it would be better for mafia to,buddy up to someone and maybe hedge on palmar than going full throttle omg omg omg palmar is the townies town ever.

Though it still feels tmi like he did with the other lynches as well.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 03 2016 22:57 GMT
#3634
I'm not going to do too much before I sleep, but this is my updated worldview, I'll throw in explanations for some tomorrow, but cba writing a long post now. Refer to some of my other posts for reasoning etc (some are out of date):

Probably town for some reason:

Coag
Onegu
Damdred
Exo
Trfel
ritoky

No idea:

sl
OO
Shining
OWS
slam

Scummy for some reason:

kush
gb
nocturnmage




Some guys I want to say something about

a) I could lynch slam, I never try to read him, I always rely on other people to do it for me. However his rage a bit out of character (he's almost always fairly jolly) so there's that.

b) I was somehow under the impression shining had replaced into the game, but turns out he's been here the whole time. I don't remember literally a single thing he's written, which makes him a pretty good candidate for mafia

c) I might have to downgrade ritoky, my previous townread from yesterday was mostly due to the fact he wrote a case on someone I thought would flip mafia (I think I made that point to HF). I haven't read more from him. The shot was ok though, moosy could very well have flipped mafia. It was the right way to use vigilante.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 03 2016 22:59 GMT
#3635
On January 04 2016 07:53 Trfel wrote:
Palmar, given how Tictock didn't claim his role despite barely avoiding being lynched Day 1, why would you expect mafia to rolecop him?

I'd think that they'd barely prefer rolechecking Tictock to rolechecking themselves.

You don't think that Onegu can be mafia for the WIFOM play?

sure, but it can simply go wrong in too many ways for mafia. And yes, I agree it's super unlikely mafia rolechecked tt (although I hadn't thought of the part where he didn't claim on day 1, that's a good point) and then went after him.

It's just not that likely he goes for a big play to kill a random player who is in most cases going to flip vanilla like that.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 03 2016 23:01 GMT
#3636
On January 04 2016 07:55 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2016 07:47 Palmar wrote:
I promised to talk about the onegu/damdred thing.

There is no way they're both mafia. The reason for this is that they both look bad when tictock flips. It's too much invested into getting one random guy lynched. Even if mafia knew he was a role. IF mafia knows he's a role (rolecop) only damdred can be mafia (and not onegu) because there is no way onegu claims a red on him as mafia, knowing he'll just claim blue and will never be cc'd. We also know (from the nightkills on n2) that mafia had not at day 2 hit any townies with the rolecop (JK/Cop is autokill and the masons are already outed). So, either the mafia rolecop missed, or it hit tt, in which case only damdred can be mafia.

On the other hand, if mafia had no idea what tt's role was, onegu can be mafia, and if he is, damdred is almost certainly not, because people (like myself) were actively calling for the gunsmith not to CC tictock. The only problem with this theory is why would onegu go 1 for 1 on someone whose role he doesn't know and who is so scummy that people were literally mad that he didn't get lynched on day 1. It's just not worth it.

So, technically it's more likely damdred is mafia, but I really, really think they're both town.


For the Onegu theory, isn't it possible an RC that isn't Damdred RCd TT and it was shared in scum QT? If Onegu is a goon, him going 1 for 1 to eliminate the GS before a 2nd gun is given out makes total sense.

No, because if mafia knows tt is gunsmith, they expect tt to just instantly claim that when onegu claims his red check, and when he's not counterclaimed by anyone, Onegu gets lynched for trying to lynch an uncc'd gunsmith. Mafia could not have guessed tictock would fumble around, claim miller and then gunsmith.
Computer says mafia
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 03 2016 23:03 GMT
#3637
Here is kushm4sta (aka nooniansoong)'s filter from his last game, Dark Tournament Mini Mafia. In this game, he was town. And no, I'm not cherrypicking, he was mislynched on Day 1 this game.

In this game, he presents several scumreads and clearly cares about the Day 1 lynch. He has a progression of several scumreads and is willing to consolidate his vote such that it actually matters. Furthermore, despite being busy, he reads filters and makes reads of all of the main wagons.

And in this game, he didn't care at all about the Day 1 lynch.

I'm waiting for nooniansoong's explanation, but I'm having a TON of difficulty seeing his play coming from town this game. His explanation of process-of-elimination solving the game doesn't seem to be anything like how he played last game.

Nooniansoong, please answer as soon as you can, I am trying to keep an open mind, but I need your answer to continue. If you are not going to answer, if you could at least tell me that you won't answer, that would be great so I can do my best to check my read on you without it. Otherwise, I'll have to go through tonight anyway.

I think I want to lynch nooniansoong or Palmar most, I'll work on it tonight.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 03 2016 23:03 GMT
#3638
which is why, technically, damdred has more chance of being scum, because at least it is in theory an okay play as mafia to fake-claim gunsmith to seal a lynch everyone agrees is the right one.
Computer says mafia
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
January 03 2016 23:05 GMT
#3639
Game is hard.
Retired.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 03 2016 23:07 GMT
#3640
But you are cherry picking to a degree trfel. You wave dark tournament around but then ignore his most recent game of,nutcracjer where he didn't Carr about the d1 lynch but turned it on d2.

I'm not sure it makes him town or scum though
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