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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 16:02 GMT
#761
On December 17 2015 00:59 RtaniSoul wrote:
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On December 17 2015 00:30 Rels wrote:
On December 17 2015 00:23 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 17 2015 00:18 Rels wrote:
On December 17 2015 00:10 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:25 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:20 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 16 2015 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really don't know what else to say at the moment.

If DP is not going to do anything further i am never switching my vote. I understand this is pretty shitty if he is town as we live on the other sides of the world and we have basically not been in the thread at all at the same time due to time zones / constraints.

But still i believe this is the most likely correct answer at this point.


it's actually fine for me to die. Just make sure you get the last lynch right.

NO ITS NOT FINE UNLESS YOU ARE SURE THAT THE LAST SCUM IS ARSOUL, AND YOU ARE SURE THAT WE WILL LYNCH THEM. COME AND PLAY THE FUCKING GAME


what is this rels?

I don't know I assume you will tell me soon ?


No, explain what you were thinking.

I'm thinking that it's not fine he's thinking him getting lynched is fine.


Why not? Only DP and I can be scum to you, right? How does his post merit that sort of reaction?

Cause I'm pretty sure I'm the lynch tomorrow if DP is lynched today.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 16:03 GMT
#762
See, you try to hammer these points you should never ever try to hammer if you thought about the game from the perspective that people do not know your alignment...
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 16:03 GMT
#763
On December 17 2015 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On December 17 2015 01:00 Rels wrote:
On December 17 2015 00:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If Artasoul finds weird that marv doesn't vote for me...

No, that's not what anyone is saying. Hydra is/was saying it most likely makes you mafia!!

...it's weird they are not considering that I found it weird to and reacted by townreading marv.

what the fuck does this mean?
Of course you are not gonna admit/say that marv did not vote for you because you are mafia.
What the fuck is this sentence even TRYING to say?

You're right, it only makes sense from my PoV. This is something that point at me being scum and I can't do anything against it. So it also true it's normal Artasoul didn't consider it from "Rels is town" perspective, whatever their alignement is.

There is no "rels is town" -perspective for anyone because YOUR REACTION IS MOST LIKELY THE SAME REGARDLESS OF YOUR AFFILIATION!!

That is the point.

Yep I agree. What I've accused rsoul of doing here is not true.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 16:04 GMT
#764
Or fuck, that is not the right phrasing.. But you get the point.
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RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 16:05 GMT
#765
On December 17 2015 01:02 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 00:59 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 17 2015 00:30 Rels wrote:
On December 17 2015 00:23 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 17 2015 00:18 Rels wrote:
On December 17 2015 00:10 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:25 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:20 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 16 2015 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really don't know what else to say at the moment.

If DP is not going to do anything further i am never switching my vote. I understand this is pretty shitty if he is town as we live on the other sides of the world and we have basically not been in the thread at all at the same time due to time zones / constraints.

But still i believe this is the most likely correct answer at this point.


it's actually fine for me to die. Just make sure you get the last lynch right.

NO ITS NOT FINE UNLESS YOU ARE SURE THAT THE LAST SCUM IS ARSOUL, AND YOU ARE SURE THAT WE WILL LYNCH THEM. COME AND PLAY THE FUCKING GAME


what is this rels?

I don't know I assume you will tell me soon ?


No, explain what you were thinking.

I'm thinking that it's not fine he's thinking him getting lynched is fine.


Why not? Only DP and I can be scum to you, right? How does his post merit that sort of reaction?

Cause I'm pretty sure I'm the lynch tomorrow if DP is lynched today.


So, survival, basically. Okay, that would be true as either alignment. Meh.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 16:06 GMT
#766
Greymist could you please give your detailed thoughts on all the people in the game left?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 16:09 GMT
#767
On December 17 2015 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Greymist could you please give your detailed thoughts on all the people in the game left?

Because i am stuck with "Rels is mafia" and i don't wanna be wrong and if i am wrong i will feel really fucking shitty. But idk what else i should think.
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 16:09 GMT
#768
rayn. You've changed your mind after these posts from Arsoul:
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On December 16 2015 19:12 RtaniSoul wrote:
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On December 16 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:
arsoul will you try tomorrow if we lynch me ? I wanna see how you try to get DP lynched. This is extremely tempting.

If you get lynched before us and are town there's no way DP will get lynched, no way Rayn will listen to us. We're actually thinking of really going over DP one more time before the flip just to make sure you're the scum, but there wouldn't be a point to that if Rayn is unwilling to consider him. Which means it's actually better for us to get lynched first. So, to Rayn:

If we analyze DP and end up thinking he's more likely scum than Rels, will you listen to us after we flip town?

##Unvote
##Vote RtaniSoul

On December 16 2015 19:33 RtaniSoul wrote:
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On December 16 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't get why if the hydra say they look scummy cause they don;t give a fuck and it doesn't matter, why do they suddenly start giving a fuck while still pretending to NOT give a fuck?

Doesn't make sense from a town perspective IMO. Like i think as town you either care about the game or you don't I don;t think townies will mess around with how they are perceived like the hydra is doing.

You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us.

You should probably focus on burying rels now.

On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote:
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On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote:
Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post.

We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother.

On December 16 2015 19:35 RtaniSoul wrote:
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On December 16 2015 19:34 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:33 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't get why if the hydra say they look scummy cause they don;t give a fuck and it doesn't matter, why do they suddenly start giving a fuck while still pretending to NOT give a fuck?

Doesn't make sense from a town perspective IMO. Like i think as town you either care about the game or you don't I don;t think townies will mess around with how they are perceived like the hydra is doing.

You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us.

You should probably focus on burying rels now.

Wow you are treating me as a confirmed town now ?

No, but we are always getting lynched either today or tomorrow and we think we have more control over who flips tomorrow this way. You can back off now, we're flipping today.

On December 16 2015 19:38 RtaniSoul wrote:
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On December 16 2015 19:36 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote:
Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post.

We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother.

And you know very well he will listen if you say smart things, so it is without a point to ask such a question. Even if you didn't already played dozen of games with him, he did exactly that during N1.

There really isn't always a point. I know that full well from my experiences with him.

On December 16 2015 21:04 RtaniSoul wrote:
Honestly, Rels, we started getting worried that DP was the last scum and not you and Lex wanted to put more work in than I really felt inclined to, which started this whole thing.

You're right. Most of what was in that case was circumstantial and weak. It could make you scum but it doesn't definitively mean anything. I do remember going over with you looking at things from both sides, and I do know how you think and yes that has been reflected in this game, though I think you're good enough to at least replicate your thought process as scum.

If you're town here and for the sake of this post and because of our doubts I'm going to assume that's the case for the moment, take a second to think about what our perspective is as town looking at this game. You have to be the last scum unless we're wrong on rayn or DP, and we're almost as certain as we can be that rayn is town. Basically we're looking at the same game as you are, only in reverse. And the way the thread stands now, if DP is scum here, he will definitely win this game hands down. I think maybe you have a better chance of pushing him tomorrow than we do which is why we're happy to flip first, and also that we know our reads will at least be accepted as genuine after we flip.

The thing is, EoD with marv and rayn's certainty had us pretty much not even questioning DP as town. But if you're scum here you're pretty much an asshole (lol, don't take that to heart, but yeah, playing pretty dirty making me feel guilty xP). We've been enjoying Lex's time here and not prioritizing the thread. We're not really apologetic about that; I'd rather have fun with him here.

What we want here is very simple.

We aren't trying to get anyone to lynch anyone but us. We're not going to defend ourselves. We're not going to talk about our alignment.

We honestly didn't want to waste time on our holiday looking into DP if rayn was dead-set on him being town, because we'd rather enjoy ourselves, but we'll do it for you Rels in the event you're town because I'd feel awful not to and let you get mislynched in lylo after you just got mislynched your last game.

So just do us a favor and don't ride us? We're getting lynched anyway. We don't need the distractions and we will get distracted cause we're horrible about letting things go and will just argue instead of look into things.

Lol, sorry about the shit game. Lazy hydras were being lazy



Later you've said these posts are NAI:
On December 17 2015 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On December 17 2015 00:33 Rels wrote:
On December 17 2015 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i am back to thinking DP is town.
Fuck this game is hard.

Only because you assume Artasoul would roll over and die or concede if they were scum. Show me the townie mindset behind the posts I quoted above.

I FUCKING CAN'T. I don't know if there is a scum motive or town motive, I can't do that either with your posts aswell...

I am waffling like a fucking ping pong ball and i don't even know why.. I don't find your conversation with them useful from either end rn..


Obviously they are not NAI to you since you've completely changed your mind. So please take the time to think and write in words exactly what in those posts made you think arsoul is town.
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 16:13 GMT
#769
Lol scum is playing super dirty We can't tell who is scum but Lex thinks Rels is more likely. So I guess it's better to say that I can't tell -pokes Lex-

I kinda just want the game to end

tbh I already filter-dived DP and although I found plenty of little things to nitpick if I wanted to try to throw scum on him, nothing stood out to me as definitively scummy over townie. Then he posts that emotional appeal and all I can think is that if he's actually scum doing that he's a complete asshole.

Maybe it's cause of our feelings about this game that I just find DP's reaction more townie than flailing about wildly? (Sorry if you're town Rels, but that's the impression you're giving me.) I dunnae. I'll let Lex decide what he wants to do. I think it's Rels over DP by a slight margin but really I don't want to bother with this game any further if we're wrong :/
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 16:15 GMT
#770
On December 17 2015 01:13 RtaniSoul wrote:
Maybe it's cause of our feelings about this game that I just find DP's reaction more townie than flailing about wildly? (Sorry if you're town Rels, but that's the impression you're giving me.)

What does flailing mean exactly ? Cause the definition I have in mind doesn't describe what I've done at all.
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 16:15 GMT
#771
Lex says we'll just vote with rayn. On us as well. We're done with this game lol >< and yeah if y'all lynch us feel free to call us bad afterwards cause we probably deserve it.

It's yours, rayn ^^ no pressure? haha
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 16:17 GMT
#772
On December 17 2015 01:15 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 01:13 RtaniSoul wrote:
Maybe it's cause of our feelings about this game that I just find DP's reaction more townie than flailing about wildly? (Sorry if you're town Rels, but that's the impression you're giving me.)

What does flailing mean exactly ? Cause the definition I have in mind doesn't describe what I've done at all.


It means searching for something in a way that is more chaotic than systematic, in this context.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 16:18 GMT
#773
On December 17 2015 01:09 Rels wrote:
Obviously they are not NAI to you since you've completely changed your mind. So please take the time to think and write in words exactly what in those posts made you think arsoul is town.

No, that is not the case.
I have had really hard time figuring out what is scummy and what is not and what is townie here on this phase. I have multiple times gone through every single fucking filter in the game and tried to make some sense of it. Basically everyone has been in the "i don't fucking know category". First i thought you are most likely to be scum. Then i ditched that idea. Then i went to read DP and Hydra again. Then i thought DP is scum. Then i ditched that idea. Now i am back to thinking you are scum. I can't point to any single post, i just do not know, and the Hydra is very fucking close to you -- basically the difference between you and them is that you didn't even TRY to convince me you are town at the end of N1 (or after the post i made which i said i think you are scum in). Then you haven't made any analysis on the marv stuff. The marv stuff HAS to mean something, everyone else has made analysis of it. You haven't. It looks the worst on you, but there MUST be an explanation -- if you are town, just because it's fucking impossible there is not. And the fact you don't even try to explain that stuff makes me think you can't make up an explanation for it.
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 16:20 GMT
#774
On December 17 2015 01:17 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 01:15 Rels wrote:
On December 17 2015 01:13 RtaniSoul wrote:
Maybe it's cause of our feelings about this game that I just find DP's reaction more townie than flailing about wildly? (Sorry if you're town Rels, but that's the impression you're giving me.)

What does flailing mean exactly ? Cause the definition I have in mind doesn't describe what I've done at all.


It means searching for something in a way that is more chaotic than systematic, in this context.

Well I don't see how I'm doing it. And it sounds better than seeing my main scumread posting in thread after 40 hours of AFK and doing nothing.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 16:25 GMT
#775
On December 17 2015 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 01:09 Rels wrote:
Obviously they are not NAI to you since you've completely changed your mind. So please take the time to think and write in words exactly what in those posts made you think arsoul is town.

No, that is not the case.
I have had really hard time figuring out what is scummy and what is not and what is townie here on this phase. I have multiple times gone through every single fucking filter in the game and tried to make some sense of it. Basically everyone has been in the "i don't fucking know category". First i thought you are most likely to be scum. Then i ditched that idea. Then i went to read DP and Hydra again. Then i thought DP is scum. Then i ditched that idea. Now i am back to thinking you are scum. I can't point to any single post, i just do not know, and the Hydra is very fucking close to you -- basically the difference between you and them is that you didn't even TRY to convince me you are town at the end of N1 (or after the post i made which i said i think you are scum in). Then you haven't made any analysis on the marv stuff. The marv stuff HAS to mean something, everyone else has made analysis of it. You haven't. It looks the worst on you, but there MUST be an explanation -- if you are town, just because it's fucking impossible there is not. And the fact you don't even try to explain that stuff makes me think you can't make up an explanation for it.

If you yourself cannot imagine an explanation as to why marv did that in case I'm town, I don't see why I should have the responsability to make up one myself. But whatever. You've said you wouldn't lynch me if I was town. I'm actually OK with you lynching me if:
- I'm lynched today
- you lynch artsoul tomorrow WHATEVER HAPPEN EVEN IF THEY SUCK YOUR DICK AND DP AFK FOR 72 HOURS
So take your decision.
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 16:30 GMT
#776
We're kinda done. We feel bad for rayn
##Unvote
##Vote Rels

If you decide you want to lynch us instead we're good with that too.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 16:30 GMT
#777
I can't believe I spend the whole day playing that game. See you tonight
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 16:32 GMT
#778
If you yourself cannot imagine an explanation as to why marv did that in case I'm town, I don't see why I should have the responsability to make up one myself.

Because it makes you look bad and it is your responsibility to prove you are town, not mine.
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 16:35 GMT
#779
On December 17 2015 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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If you yourself cannot imagine an explanation as to why marv did that in case I'm town, I don't see why I should have the responsability to make up one myself.

Because it makes you look bad and it is your responsibility to prove you are town, not mine.

No. I think we cannot guess why marv voting DP instead of me. The only logical answers are "Rels is scum" and "DP is probably not scum".
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 16:39 GMT
#780
rayn: does marv usually ignore his partners ?
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