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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 14:50 GMT
#721
On December 16 2015 23:50 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

That does not answer my question.

Yes it does. Quote the post if I'm thinking of the wrong one.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 16 2015 14:51 GMT
#722
Anyway I'm sure rels is town. Bear that in mind at lylo please.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 14:53 GMT
#723
On December 16 2015 23:50 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 23:50 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

That does not answer my question.

Yes it does. Quote the post if I'm thinking of the wrong one.

Oh nevermind, you're right
Still, that's not what I meant. The DP flip can easily be explained by the fact that we saw townie things in you.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 14:57 GMT
#724
On December 16 2015 23:53 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 23:50 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

That does not answer my question.

Yes it does. Quote the post if I'm thinking of the wrong one.

Oh nevermind, you're right
Still, that's not what I meant. The DP flip can easily be explained by the fact that we saw townie things in you.

No 'cause DP was so confirmed town before that you were not caring 'cause the game was solved; and because you see townie things from me you go "MM MAYBE DP IS NOT CONFIRMED TOWN ACTUALLY; DO WE ANALYSE HIS FILTER ? NO LETS ASK RAYN S PERMISSION FIRST AND DO EMOTIONAL POSTS FOR 2 HOURS"
You appealed to rayn who did the work for you is the most likely explanation
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 16 2015 14:58 GMT
#725
On December 16 2015 23:53 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 23:50 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

That does not answer my question.

Yes it does. Quote the post if I'm thinking of the wrong one.

Oh nevermind, you're right
Still, that's not what I meant. The DP flip can easily be explained by the fact that we saw townie things in you.


Man it's gonna be fun watching you try and back out of this read at lylo. Rels remember this post please.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 14:58 GMT
#726
On December 16 2015 23:57 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 23:53 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

That does not answer my question.

Yes it does. Quote the post if I'm thinking of the wrong one.

Oh nevermind, you're right
Still, that's not what I meant. The DP flip can easily be explained by the fact that we saw townie things in you.

No 'cause DP was so confirmed town before that you were not caring 'cause the game was solved; and because you see townie things from me you go "MM MAYBE DP IS NOT CONFIRMED TOWN ACTUALLY; DO WE ANALYSE HIS FILTER ? NO LETS ASK RAYN S PERMISSION FIRST AND DO EMOTIONAL POSTS FOR 2 HOURS"
You appealed to rayn who did the work for you is the most likely explanation

You do realize half the things you talk about occurred AFTER the thing we're asking right?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 15:02 GMT
#727
On December 16 2015 23:58 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 23:57 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:53 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

That does not answer my question.

Yes it does. Quote the post if I'm thinking of the wrong one.

Oh nevermind, you're right
Still, that's not what I meant. The DP flip can easily be explained by the fact that we saw townie things in you.

No 'cause DP was so confirmed town before that you were not caring 'cause the game was solved; and because you see townie things from me you go "MM MAYBE DP IS NOT CONFIRMED TOWN ACTUALLY; DO WE ANALYSE HIS FILTER ? NO LETS ASK RAYN S PERMISSION FIRST AND DO EMOTIONAL POSTS FOR 2 HOURS"
You appealed to rayn who did the work for you is the most likely explanation

You do realize half the things you talk about occurred AFTER the thing we're asking right?

On December 16 2015 23:35 Rels wrote:
Like what his the town mindset behind these:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 19:12 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:
arsoul will you try tomorrow if we lynch me ? I wanna see how you try to get DP lynched. This is extremely tempting.

If you get lynched before us and are town there's no way DP will get lynched, no way Rayn will listen to us. We're actually thinking of really going over DP one more time before the flip just to make sure you're the scum, but there wouldn't be a point to that if Rayn is unwilling to consider him. Which means it's actually better for us to get lynched first. So, to Rayn:

If we analyze DP and end up thinking he's more likely scum than Rels, will you listen to us after we flip town?

##Unvote
##Vote RtaniSoul

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On December 16 2015 19:33 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't get why if the hydra say they look scummy cause they don;t give a fuck and it doesn't matter, why do they suddenly start giving a fuck while still pretending to NOT give a fuck?

Doesn't make sense from a town perspective IMO. Like i think as town you either care about the game or you don't I don;t think townies will mess around with how they are perceived like the hydra is doing.

You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us.

You should probably focus on burying rels now.

Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote:
Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post.

We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother.

Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 19:35 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:34 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:33 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't get why if the hydra say they look scummy cause they don;t give a fuck and it doesn't matter, why do they suddenly start giving a fuck while still pretending to NOT give a fuck?

Doesn't make sense from a town perspective IMO. Like i think as town you either care about the game or you don't I don;t think townies will mess around with how they are perceived like the hydra is doing.

You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us.

You should probably focus on burying rels now.

Wow you are treating me as a confirmed town now ?

No, but we are always getting lynched either today or tomorrow and we think we have more control over who flips tomorrow this way. You can back off now, we're flipping today.

Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 19:38 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:36 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote:
Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post.

We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother.

And you know very well he will listen if you say smart things, so it is without a point to ask such a question. Even if you didn't already played dozen of games with him, he did exactly that during N1.

There really isn't always a point. I know that full well from my experiences with him.

Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 21:04 RtaniSoul wrote:
Honestly, Rels, we started getting worried that DP was the last scum and not you and Lex wanted to put more work in than I really felt inclined to, which started this whole thing.

You're right. Most of what was in that case was circumstantial and weak. It could make you scum but it doesn't definitively mean anything. I do remember going over with you looking at things from both sides, and I do know how you think and yes that has been reflected in this game, though I think you're good enough to at least replicate your thought process as scum.

If you're town here and for the sake of this post and because of our doubts I'm going to assume that's the case for the moment, take a second to think about what our perspective is as town looking at this game. You have to be the last scum unless we're wrong on rayn or DP, and we're almost as certain as we can be that rayn is town. Basically we're looking at the same game as you are, only in reverse. And the way the thread stands now, if DP is scum here, he will definitely win this game hands down. I think maybe you have a better chance of pushing him tomorrow than we do which is why we're happy to flip first, and also that we know our reads will at least be accepted as genuine after we flip.

The thing is, EoD with marv and rayn's certainty had us pretty much not even questioning DP as town. But if you're scum here you're pretty much an asshole (lol, don't take that to heart, but yeah, playing pretty dirty making me feel guilty xP). We've been enjoying Lex's time here and not prioritizing the thread. We're not really apologetic about that; I'd rather have fun with him here.

What we want here is very simple.

We aren't trying to get anyone to lynch anyone but us. We're not going to defend ourselves. We're not going to talk about our alignment.

We honestly didn't want to waste time on our holiday looking into DP if rayn was dead-set on him being town, because we'd rather enjoy ourselves, but we'll do it for you Rels in the event you're town because I'd feel awful not to and let you get mislynched in lylo after you just got mislynched your last game.

So just do us a favor and don't ride us? We're getting lynched anyway. We don't need the distractions and we will get distracted cause we're horrible about letting things go and will just argue instead of look into things.

Lol, sorry about the shit game. Lazy hydras were being lazy


0 explanation or filter analysis in 2 hours.
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 15:04 GMT
#728
On December 17 2015 00:02 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 23:58 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:57 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:53 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

That does not answer my question.

Yes it does. Quote the post if I'm thinking of the wrong one.

Oh nevermind, you're right
Still, that's not what I meant. The DP flip can easily be explained by the fact that we saw townie things in you.

No 'cause DP was so confirmed town before that you were not caring 'cause the game was solved; and because you see townie things from me you go "MM MAYBE DP IS NOT CONFIRMED TOWN ACTUALLY; DO WE ANALYSE HIS FILTER ? NO LETS ASK RAYN S PERMISSION FIRST AND DO EMOTIONAL POSTS FOR 2 HOURS"
You appealed to rayn who did the work for you is the most likely explanation

You do realize half the things you talk about occurred AFTER the thing we're asking right?

Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 23:35 Rels wrote:
Like what his the town mindset behind these:
On December 16 2015 19:12 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:
arsoul will you try tomorrow if we lynch me ? I wanna see how you try to get DP lynched. This is extremely tempting.

If you get lynched before us and are town there's no way DP will get lynched, no way Rayn will listen to us. We're actually thinking of really going over DP one more time before the flip just to make sure you're the scum, but there wouldn't be a point to that if Rayn is unwilling to consider him. Which means it's actually better for us to get lynched first. So, to Rayn:

If we analyze DP and end up thinking he's more likely scum than Rels, will you listen to us after we flip town?

##Unvote
##Vote RtaniSoul

On December 16 2015 19:33 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't get why if the hydra say they look scummy cause they don;t give a fuck and it doesn't matter, why do they suddenly start giving a fuck while still pretending to NOT give a fuck?

Doesn't make sense from a town perspective IMO. Like i think as town you either care about the game or you don't I don;t think townies will mess around with how they are perceived like the hydra is doing.

You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us.

You should probably focus on burying rels now.

On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote:
Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post.

We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother.

On December 16 2015 19:35 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:34 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:33 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't get why if the hydra say they look scummy cause they don;t give a fuck and it doesn't matter, why do they suddenly start giving a fuck while still pretending to NOT give a fuck?

Doesn't make sense from a town perspective IMO. Like i think as town you either care about the game or you don't I don;t think townies will mess around with how they are perceived like the hydra is doing.

You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us.

You should probably focus on burying rels now.

Wow you are treating me as a confirmed town now ?

No, but we are always getting lynched either today or tomorrow and we think we have more control over who flips tomorrow this way. You can back off now, we're flipping today.

On December 16 2015 19:38 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:36 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote:
Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post.

We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother.

And you know very well he will listen if you say smart things, so it is without a point to ask such a question. Even if you didn't already played dozen of games with him, he did exactly that during N1.

There really isn't always a point. I know that full well from my experiences with him.

On December 16 2015 21:04 RtaniSoul wrote:
Honestly, Rels, we started getting worried that DP was the last scum and not you and Lex wanted to put more work in than I really felt inclined to, which started this whole thing.

You're right. Most of what was in that case was circumstantial and weak. It could make you scum but it doesn't definitively mean anything. I do remember going over with you looking at things from both sides, and I do know how you think and yes that has been reflected in this game, though I think you're good enough to at least replicate your thought process as scum.

If you're town here and for the sake of this post and because of our doubts I'm going to assume that's the case for the moment, take a second to think about what our perspective is as town looking at this game. You have to be the last scum unless we're wrong on rayn or DP, and we're almost as certain as we can be that rayn is town. Basically we're looking at the same game as you are, only in reverse. And the way the thread stands now, if DP is scum here, he will definitely win this game hands down. I think maybe you have a better chance of pushing him tomorrow than we do which is why we're happy to flip first, and also that we know our reads will at least be accepted as genuine after we flip.

The thing is, EoD with marv and rayn's certainty had us pretty much not even questioning DP as town. But if you're scum here you're pretty much an asshole (lol, don't take that to heart, but yeah, playing pretty dirty making me feel guilty xP). We've been enjoying Lex's time here and not prioritizing the thread. We're not really apologetic about that; I'd rather have fun with him here.

What we want here is very simple.

We aren't trying to get anyone to lynch anyone but us. We're not going to defend ourselves. We're not going to talk about our alignment.

We honestly didn't want to waste time on our holiday looking into DP if rayn was dead-set on him being town, because we'd rather enjoy ourselves, but we'll do it for you Rels in the event you're town because I'd feel awful not to and let you get mislynched in lylo after you just got mislynched your last game.

So just do us a favor and don't ride us? We're getting lynched anyway. We don't need the distractions and we will get distracted cause we're horrible about letting things go and will just argue instead of look into things.

Lol, sorry about the shit game. Lazy hydras were being lazy


0 explanation or filter analysis in 2 hours.

We were asking about your initial reply to the initial post, not everything that occurred afterwards that you couldn't have known when you first replied.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 16 2015 15:05 GMT
#729
On December 17 2015 00:04 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 00:02 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:58 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:57 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:53 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

That does not answer my question.

Yes it does. Quote the post if I'm thinking of the wrong one.

Oh nevermind, you're right
Still, that's not what I meant. The DP flip can easily be explained by the fact that we saw townie things in you.

No 'cause DP was so confirmed town before that you were not caring 'cause the game was solved; and because you see townie things from me you go "MM MAYBE DP IS NOT CONFIRMED TOWN ACTUALLY; DO WE ANALYSE HIS FILTER ? NO LETS ASK RAYN S PERMISSION FIRST AND DO EMOTIONAL POSTS FOR 2 HOURS"
You appealed to rayn who did the work for you is the most likely explanation

You do realize half the things you talk about occurred AFTER the thing we're asking right?

On December 16 2015 23:35 Rels wrote:
Like what his the town mindset behind these:
On December 16 2015 19:12 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:
arsoul will you try tomorrow if we lynch me ? I wanna see how you try to get DP lynched. This is extremely tempting.

If you get lynched before us and are town there's no way DP will get lynched, no way Rayn will listen to us. We're actually thinking of really going over DP one more time before the flip just to make sure you're the scum, but there wouldn't be a point to that if Rayn is unwilling to consider him. Which means it's actually better for us to get lynched first. So, to Rayn:

If we analyze DP and end up thinking he's more likely scum than Rels, will you listen to us after we flip town?

##Unvote
##Vote RtaniSoul

On December 16 2015 19:33 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't get why if the hydra say they look scummy cause they don;t give a fuck and it doesn't matter, why do they suddenly start giving a fuck while still pretending to NOT give a fuck?

Doesn't make sense from a town perspective IMO. Like i think as town you either care about the game or you don't I don;t think townies will mess around with how they are perceived like the hydra is doing.

You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us.

You should probably focus on burying rels now.

On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote:
Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post.

We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother.

On December 16 2015 19:35 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:34 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:33 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't get why if the hydra say they look scummy cause they don;t give a fuck and it doesn't matter, why do they suddenly start giving a fuck while still pretending to NOT give a fuck?

Doesn't make sense from a town perspective IMO. Like i think as town you either care about the game or you don't I don;t think townies will mess around with how they are perceived like the hydra is doing.

You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us.

You should probably focus on burying rels now.

Wow you are treating me as a confirmed town now ?

No, but we are always getting lynched either today or tomorrow and we think we have more control over who flips tomorrow this way. You can back off now, we're flipping today.

On December 16 2015 19:38 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:36 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote:
Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post.

We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother.

And you know very well he will listen if you say smart things, so it is without a point to ask such a question. Even if you didn't already played dozen of games with him, he did exactly that during N1.

There really isn't always a point. I know that full well from my experiences with him.

On December 16 2015 21:04 RtaniSoul wrote:
Honestly, Rels, we started getting worried that DP was the last scum and not you and Lex wanted to put more work in than I really felt inclined to, which started this whole thing.

You're right. Most of what was in that case was circumstantial and weak. It could make you scum but it doesn't definitively mean anything. I do remember going over with you looking at things from both sides, and I do know how you think and yes that has been reflected in this game, though I think you're good enough to at least replicate your thought process as scum.

If you're town here and for the sake of this post and because of our doubts I'm going to assume that's the case for the moment, take a second to think about what our perspective is as town looking at this game. You have to be the last scum unless we're wrong on rayn or DP, and we're almost as certain as we can be that rayn is town. Basically we're looking at the same game as you are, only in reverse. And the way the thread stands now, if DP is scum here, he will definitely win this game hands down. I think maybe you have a better chance of pushing him tomorrow than we do which is why we're happy to flip first, and also that we know our reads will at least be accepted as genuine after we flip.

The thing is, EoD with marv and rayn's certainty had us pretty much not even questioning DP as town. But if you're scum here you're pretty much an asshole (lol, don't take that to heart, but yeah, playing pretty dirty making me feel guilty xP). We've been enjoying Lex's time here and not prioritizing the thread. We're not really apologetic about that; I'd rather have fun with him here.

What we want here is very simple.

We aren't trying to get anyone to lynch anyone but us. We're not going to defend ourselves. We're not going to talk about our alignment.

We honestly didn't want to waste time on our holiday looking into DP if rayn was dead-set on him being town, because we'd rather enjoy ourselves, but we'll do it for you Rels in the event you're town because I'd feel awful not to and let you get mislynched in lylo after you just got mislynched your last game.

So just do us a favor and don't ride us? We're getting lynched anyway. We don't need the distractions and we will get distracted cause we're horrible about letting things go and will just argue instead of look into things.

Lol, sorry about the shit game. Lazy hydras were being lazy


0 explanation or filter analysis in 2 hours.

We were asking about your initial reply to the initial post, not everything that occurred afterwards that you couldn't have known when you first replied.



"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 16 2015 15:06 GMT
#730
Anyway I needed to be in bed four hours ago. Bye.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 15:10 GMT
#731
On December 16 2015 23:25 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 23:20 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 16 2015 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really don't know what else to say at the moment.

If DP is not going to do anything further i am never switching my vote. I understand this is pretty shitty if he is town as we live on the other sides of the world and we have basically not been in the thread at all at the same time due to time zones / constraints.

But still i believe this is the most likely correct answer at this point.


it's actually fine for me to die. Just make sure you get the last lynch right.

NO ITS NOT FINE UNLESS YOU ARE SURE THAT THE LAST SCUM IS ARSOUL, AND YOU ARE SURE THAT WE WILL LYNCH THEM. COME AND PLAY THE FUCKING GAME


what is this rels?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 15:16 GMT
#732
On December 17 2015 00:04 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 00:02 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:58 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:57 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:53 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

That does not answer my question.

Yes it does. Quote the post if I'm thinking of the wrong one.

Oh nevermind, you're right
Still, that's not what I meant. The DP flip can easily be explained by the fact that we saw townie things in you.

No 'cause DP was so confirmed town before that you were not caring 'cause the game was solved; and because you see townie things from me you go "MM MAYBE DP IS NOT CONFIRMED TOWN ACTUALLY; DO WE ANALYSE HIS FILTER ? NO LETS ASK RAYN S PERMISSION FIRST AND DO EMOTIONAL POSTS FOR 2 HOURS"
You appealed to rayn who did the work for you is the most likely explanation

You do realize half the things you talk about occurred AFTER the thing we're asking right?

On December 16 2015 23:35 Rels wrote:
Like what his the town mindset behind these:
On December 16 2015 19:12 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:
arsoul will you try tomorrow if we lynch me ? I wanna see how you try to get DP lynched. This is extremely tempting.

If you get lynched before us and are town there's no way DP will get lynched, no way Rayn will listen to us. We're actually thinking of really going over DP one more time before the flip just to make sure you're the scum, but there wouldn't be a point to that if Rayn is unwilling to consider him. Which means it's actually better for us to get lynched first. So, to Rayn:

If we analyze DP and end up thinking he's more likely scum than Rels, will you listen to us after we flip town?

##Unvote
##Vote RtaniSoul

On December 16 2015 19:33 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't get why if the hydra say they look scummy cause they don;t give a fuck and it doesn't matter, why do they suddenly start giving a fuck while still pretending to NOT give a fuck?

Doesn't make sense from a town perspective IMO. Like i think as town you either care about the game or you don't I don;t think townies will mess around with how they are perceived like the hydra is doing.

You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us.

You should probably focus on burying rels now.

On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote:
Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post.

We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother.

On December 16 2015 19:35 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:34 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:33 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't get why if the hydra say they look scummy cause they don;t give a fuck and it doesn't matter, why do they suddenly start giving a fuck while still pretending to NOT give a fuck?

Doesn't make sense from a town perspective IMO. Like i think as town you either care about the game or you don't I don;t think townies will mess around with how they are perceived like the hydra is doing.

You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us.

You should probably focus on burying rels now.

Wow you are treating me as a confirmed town now ?

No, but we are always getting lynched either today or tomorrow and we think we have more control over who flips tomorrow this way. You can back off now, we're flipping today.

On December 16 2015 19:38 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:36 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote:
Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post.

We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother.

And you know very well he will listen if you say smart things, so it is without a point to ask such a question. Even if you didn't already played dozen of games with him, he did exactly that during N1.

There really isn't always a point. I know that full well from my experiences with him.

On December 16 2015 21:04 RtaniSoul wrote:
Honestly, Rels, we started getting worried that DP was the last scum and not you and Lex wanted to put more work in than I really felt inclined to, which started this whole thing.

You're right. Most of what was in that case was circumstantial and weak. It could make you scum but it doesn't definitively mean anything. I do remember going over with you looking at things from both sides, and I do know how you think and yes that has been reflected in this game, though I think you're good enough to at least replicate your thought process as scum.

If you're town here and for the sake of this post and because of our doubts I'm going to assume that's the case for the moment, take a second to think about what our perspective is as town looking at this game. You have to be the last scum unless we're wrong on rayn or DP, and we're almost as certain as we can be that rayn is town. Basically we're looking at the same game as you are, only in reverse. And the way the thread stands now, if DP is scum here, he will definitely win this game hands down. I think maybe you have a better chance of pushing him tomorrow than we do which is why we're happy to flip first, and also that we know our reads will at least be accepted as genuine after we flip.

The thing is, EoD with marv and rayn's certainty had us pretty much not even questioning DP as town. But if you're scum here you're pretty much an asshole (lol, don't take that to heart, but yeah, playing pretty dirty making me feel guilty xP). We've been enjoying Lex's time here and not prioritizing the thread. We're not really apologetic about that; I'd rather have fun with him here.

What we want here is very simple.

We aren't trying to get anyone to lynch anyone but us. We're not going to defend ourselves. We're not going to talk about our alignment.

We honestly didn't want to waste time on our holiday looking into DP if rayn was dead-set on him being town, because we'd rather enjoy ourselves, but we'll do it for you Rels in the event you're town because I'd feel awful not to and let you get mislynched in lylo after you just got mislynched your last game.

So just do us a favor and don't ride us? We're getting lynched anyway. We don't need the distractions and we will get distracted cause we're horrible about letting things go and will just argue instead of look into things.

Lol, sorry about the shit game. Lazy hydras were being lazy


0 explanation or filter analysis in 2 hours.

We were asking about your initial reply to the initial post, not everything that occurred afterwards that you couldn't have known when you first replied.

OK let's go back then:
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

On December 16 2015 23:53 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 23:50 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

That does not answer my question.

Yes it does. Quote the post if I'm thinking of the wrong one.

Oh nevermind, you're right
Still, that's not what I meant. The DP flip can easily be explained by the fact that we saw townie things in you.

I don't understand the townie mindset of you posting "DP might be scum, but we will appeal to rayn before doing a filter analysis".
Like fuck, rayn is not even the only townie in the game in that case. If you do a case that 100% prove DP is scum and convince both GM and I, the game is also over.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 15:17 GMT
#733
On December 16 2015 23:48 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn why would rels fight so hard against my lynch if he was scum? Dude is town. He cares too much to not be.

Also hydras should look Way Way Wayyy better than Rso+artanis do. Remember the hydra game and how town rolled scum in 2 days?

This hydra not doing enough with such an obviously pro town mechanic.

On December 16 2015 10:01 GreYMisT wrote:
I'm ok with either a Rels or Rtani lynch at this point. Rtani has kinda been off to me the entire game and Rels is looking more and more like overzealous town to me. Ill make my vote tomorrow

Both of you. Do you realize you are talking about a guy who outposts almost every single player in every single game as mafia?
table for two on a tv tray
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 15:18 GMT
#734
On December 17 2015 00:10 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 23:25 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:20 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 16 2015 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really don't know what else to say at the moment.

If DP is not going to do anything further i am never switching my vote. I understand this is pretty shitty if he is town as we live on the other sides of the world and we have basically not been in the thread at all at the same time due to time zones / constraints.

But still i believe this is the most likely correct answer at this point.


it's actually fine for me to die. Just make sure you get the last lynch right.

NO ITS NOT FINE UNLESS YOU ARE SURE THAT THE LAST SCUM IS ARSOUL, AND YOU ARE SURE THAT WE WILL LYNCH THEM. COME AND PLAY THE FUCKING GAME


what is this rels?

I don't know I assume you will tell me soon ?
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 15:22 GMT
#735
On December 17 2015 00:16 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 00:04 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 17 2015 00:02 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:58 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:57 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:53 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

That does not answer my question.

Yes it does. Quote the post if I'm thinking of the wrong one.

Oh nevermind, you're right
Still, that's not what I meant. The DP flip can easily be explained by the fact that we saw townie things in you.

No 'cause DP was so confirmed town before that you were not caring 'cause the game was solved; and because you see townie things from me you go "MM MAYBE DP IS NOT CONFIRMED TOWN ACTUALLY; DO WE ANALYSE HIS FILTER ? NO LETS ASK RAYN S PERMISSION FIRST AND DO EMOTIONAL POSTS FOR 2 HOURS"
You appealed to rayn who did the work for you is the most likely explanation

You do realize half the things you talk about occurred AFTER the thing we're asking right?

On December 16 2015 23:35 Rels wrote:
Like what his the town mindset behind these:
On December 16 2015 19:12 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:
arsoul will you try tomorrow if we lynch me ? I wanna see how you try to get DP lynched. This is extremely tempting.

If you get lynched before us and are town there's no way DP will get lynched, no way Rayn will listen to us. We're actually thinking of really going over DP one more time before the flip just to make sure you're the scum, but there wouldn't be a point to that if Rayn is unwilling to consider him. Which means it's actually better for us to get lynched first. So, to Rayn:

If we analyze DP and end up thinking he's more likely scum than Rels, will you listen to us after we flip town?

##Unvote
##Vote RtaniSoul

On December 16 2015 19:33 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't get why if the hydra say they look scummy cause they don;t give a fuck and it doesn't matter, why do they suddenly start giving a fuck while still pretending to NOT give a fuck?

Doesn't make sense from a town perspective IMO. Like i think as town you either care about the game or you don't I don;t think townies will mess around with how they are perceived like the hydra is doing.

You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us.

You should probably focus on burying rels now.

On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote:
Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post.

We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother.

On December 16 2015 19:35 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:34 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:33 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't get why if the hydra say they look scummy cause they don;t give a fuck and it doesn't matter, why do they suddenly start giving a fuck while still pretending to NOT give a fuck?

Doesn't make sense from a town perspective IMO. Like i think as town you either care about the game or you don't I don;t think townies will mess around with how they are perceived like the hydra is doing.

You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us.

You should probably focus on burying rels now.

Wow you are treating me as a confirmed town now ?

No, but we are always getting lynched either today or tomorrow and we think we have more control over who flips tomorrow this way. You can back off now, we're flipping today.

On December 16 2015 19:38 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:36 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote:
Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post.

We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother.

And you know very well he will listen if you say smart things, so it is without a point to ask such a question. Even if you didn't already played dozen of games with him, he did exactly that during N1.

There really isn't always a point. I know that full well from my experiences with him.

On December 16 2015 21:04 RtaniSoul wrote:
Honestly, Rels, we started getting worried that DP was the last scum and not you and Lex wanted to put more work in than I really felt inclined to, which started this whole thing.

You're right. Most of what was in that case was circumstantial and weak. It could make you scum but it doesn't definitively mean anything. I do remember going over with you looking at things from both sides, and I do know how you think and yes that has been reflected in this game, though I think you're good enough to at least replicate your thought process as scum.

If you're town here and for the sake of this post and because of our doubts I'm going to assume that's the case for the moment, take a second to think about what our perspective is as town looking at this game. You have to be the last scum unless we're wrong on rayn or DP, and we're almost as certain as we can be that rayn is town. Basically we're looking at the same game as you are, only in reverse. And the way the thread stands now, if DP is scum here, he will definitely win this game hands down. I think maybe you have a better chance of pushing him tomorrow than we do which is why we're happy to flip first, and also that we know our reads will at least be accepted as genuine after we flip.

The thing is, EoD with marv and rayn's certainty had us pretty much not even questioning DP as town. But if you're scum here you're pretty much an asshole (lol, don't take that to heart, but yeah, playing pretty dirty making me feel guilty xP). We've been enjoying Lex's time here and not prioritizing the thread. We're not really apologetic about that; I'd rather have fun with him here.

What we want here is very simple.

We aren't trying to get anyone to lynch anyone but us. We're not going to defend ourselves. We're not going to talk about our alignment.

We honestly didn't want to waste time on our holiday looking into DP if rayn was dead-set on him being town, because we'd rather enjoy ourselves, but we'll do it for you Rels in the event you're town because I'd feel awful not to and let you get mislynched in lylo after you just got mislynched your last game.

So just do us a favor and don't ride us? We're getting lynched anyway. We don't need the distractions and we will get distracted cause we're horrible about letting things go and will just argue instead of look into things.

Lol, sorry about the shit game. Lazy hydras were being lazy


0 explanation or filter analysis in 2 hours.

We were asking about your initial reply to the initial post, not everything that occurred afterwards that you couldn't have known when you first replied.

OK let's go back then:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 23:53 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

That does not answer my question.

Yes it does. Quote the post if I'm thinking of the wrong one.

Oh nevermind, you're right
Still, that's not what I meant. The DP flip can easily be explained by the fact that we saw townie things in you.

I don't understand the townie mindset of you posting "DP might be scum, but we will appeal to rayn before doing a filter analysis".
Like fuck, rayn is not even the only townie in the game in that case. If you do a case that 100% prove DP is scum and convince both GM and I, the game is also over.


Okay. We'll say here that it's possible you might have instantly assumed that we have rayn in our back pocket and he'd instantly look into DP the moment we breathed his name, therefore overriding our self-vote and not requiring any work on our part.
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 15:23 GMT
#736
On December 17 2015 00:18 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 00:10 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:25 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:20 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 16 2015 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really don't know what else to say at the moment.

If DP is not going to do anything further i am never switching my vote. I understand this is pretty shitty if he is town as we live on the other sides of the world and we have basically not been in the thread at all at the same time due to time zones / constraints.

But still i believe this is the most likely correct answer at this point.


it's actually fine for me to die. Just make sure you get the last lynch right.

NO ITS NOT FINE UNLESS YOU ARE SURE THAT THE LAST SCUM IS ARSOUL, AND YOU ARE SURE THAT WE WILL LYNCH THEM. COME AND PLAY THE FUCKING GAME


what is this rels?

I don't know I assume you will tell me soon ?


No, explain what you were thinking.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 15:29 GMT
#737
On December 17 2015 00:22 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 00:16 Rels wrote:
On December 17 2015 00:04 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 17 2015 00:02 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:58 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:57 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:53 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
[quote]
There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

That does not answer my question.

Yes it does. Quote the post if I'm thinking of the wrong one.

Oh nevermind, you're right
Still, that's not what I meant. The DP flip can easily be explained by the fact that we saw townie things in you.

No 'cause DP was so confirmed town before that you were not caring 'cause the game was solved; and because you see townie things from me you go "MM MAYBE DP IS NOT CONFIRMED TOWN ACTUALLY; DO WE ANALYSE HIS FILTER ? NO LETS ASK RAYN S PERMISSION FIRST AND DO EMOTIONAL POSTS FOR 2 HOURS"
You appealed to rayn who did the work for you is the most likely explanation

You do realize half the things you talk about occurred AFTER the thing we're asking right?

On December 16 2015 23:35 Rels wrote:
Like what his the town mindset behind these:
On December 16 2015 19:12 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:
arsoul will you try tomorrow if we lynch me ? I wanna see how you try to get DP lynched. This is extremely tempting.

If you get lynched before us and are town there's no way DP will get lynched, no way Rayn will listen to us. We're actually thinking of really going over DP one more time before the flip just to make sure you're the scum, but there wouldn't be a point to that if Rayn is unwilling to consider him. Which means it's actually better for us to get lynched first. So, to Rayn:

If we analyze DP and end up thinking he's more likely scum than Rels, will you listen to us after we flip town?

##Unvote
##Vote RtaniSoul

On December 16 2015 19:33 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't get why if the hydra say they look scummy cause they don;t give a fuck and it doesn't matter, why do they suddenly start giving a fuck while still pretending to NOT give a fuck?

Doesn't make sense from a town perspective IMO. Like i think as town you either care about the game or you don't I don;t think townies will mess around with how they are perceived like the hydra is doing.

You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us.

You should probably focus on burying rels now.

On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote:
Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post.

We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother.

On December 16 2015 19:35 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:34 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:33 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't get why if the hydra say they look scummy cause they don;t give a fuck and it doesn't matter, why do they suddenly start giving a fuck while still pretending to NOT give a fuck?

Doesn't make sense from a town perspective IMO. Like i think as town you either care about the game or you don't I don;t think townies will mess around with how they are perceived like the hydra is doing.

You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us.

You should probably focus on burying rels now.

Wow you are treating me as a confirmed town now ?

No, but we are always getting lynched either today or tomorrow and we think we have more control over who flips tomorrow this way. You can back off now, we're flipping today.

On December 16 2015 19:38 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:36 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote:
Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post.

We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother.

And you know very well he will listen if you say smart things, so it is without a point to ask such a question. Even if you didn't already played dozen of games with him, he did exactly that during N1.

There really isn't always a point. I know that full well from my experiences with him.

On December 16 2015 21:04 RtaniSoul wrote:
Honestly, Rels, we started getting worried that DP was the last scum and not you and Lex wanted to put more work in than I really felt inclined to, which started this whole thing.

You're right. Most of what was in that case was circumstantial and weak. It could make you scum but it doesn't definitively mean anything. I do remember going over with you looking at things from both sides, and I do know how you think and yes that has been reflected in this game, though I think you're good enough to at least replicate your thought process as scum.

If you're town here and for the sake of this post and because of our doubts I'm going to assume that's the case for the moment, take a second to think about what our perspective is as town looking at this game. You have to be the last scum unless we're wrong on rayn or DP, and we're almost as certain as we can be that rayn is town. Basically we're looking at the same game as you are, only in reverse. And the way the thread stands now, if DP is scum here, he will definitely win this game hands down. I think maybe you have a better chance of pushing him tomorrow than we do which is why we're happy to flip first, and also that we know our reads will at least be accepted as genuine after we flip.

The thing is, EoD with marv and rayn's certainty had us pretty much not even questioning DP as town. But if you're scum here you're pretty much an asshole (lol, don't take that to heart, but yeah, playing pretty dirty making me feel guilty xP). We've been enjoying Lex's time here and not prioritizing the thread. We're not really apologetic about that; I'd rather have fun with him here.

What we want here is very simple.

We aren't trying to get anyone to lynch anyone but us. We're not going to defend ourselves. We're not going to talk about our alignment.

We honestly didn't want to waste time on our holiday looking into DP if rayn was dead-set on him being town, because we'd rather enjoy ourselves, but we'll do it for you Rels in the event you're town because I'd feel awful not to and let you get mislynched in lylo after you just got mislynched your last game.

So just do us a favor and don't ride us? We're getting lynched anyway. We don't need the distractions and we will get distracted cause we're horrible about letting things go and will just argue instead of look into things.

Lol, sorry about the shit game. Lazy hydras were being lazy


0 explanation or filter analysis in 2 hours.

We were asking about your initial reply to the initial post, not everything that occurred afterwards that you couldn't have known when you first replied.

OK let's go back then:
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

On December 16 2015 23:53 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

That does not answer my question.

Yes it does. Quote the post if I'm thinking of the wrong one.

Oh nevermind, you're right
Still, that's not what I meant. The DP flip can easily be explained by the fact that we saw townie things in you.

I don't understand the townie mindset of you posting "DP might be scum, but we will appeal to rayn before doing a filter analysis".
Like fuck, rayn is not even the only townie in the game in that case. If you do a case that 100% prove DP is scum and convince both GM and I, the game is also over.


Okay. We'll say here that it's possible you might have instantly assumed that we have rayn in our back pocket and he'd instantly look into DP the moment we breathed his name, therefore overriding our self-vote and not requiring any work on our part.

OK you cannot be this dumb. I don't know why you're assuming I think your plan is to instantly convert rayn to your side. I think your plan is to use emotionnal bullshit to appear townie.
Furthermore, you can scream "SCUM WOULDNT WEAR PANTS ON THEIR HEADS" all you want, scum would do whatever they want with their pants for WIFOM, while townie would need a reason to wear pants in their head. So if you're town, there is a townie reasonning behind that post:
On December 16 2015 19:12 RtaniSoul wrote:
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On December 16 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:
arsoul will you try tomorrow if we lynch me ? I wanna see how you try to get DP lynched. This is extremely tempting.

If you get lynched before us and are town there's no way DP will get lynched, no way Rayn will listen to us. We're actually thinking of really going over DP one more time before the flip just to make sure you're the scum, but there wouldn't be a point to that if Rayn is unwilling to consider him. Which means it's actually better for us to get lynched first. So, to Rayn:

If we analyze DP and end up thinking he's more likely scum than Rels, will you listen to us after we flip town?

##Unvote
##Vote RtaniSoul

If that reasonning would be: "we found something townie in Rels, so DP might be scum; we need to filter analyse him to confirm; but we will ask rayn the lord of the game for his permission before doing it, and we will ignore the confirmed doc".
I don't think it is likely.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 15:30 GMT
#738
On December 17 2015 00:23 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 00:18 Rels wrote:
On December 17 2015 00:10 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:25 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:20 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 16 2015 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really don't know what else to say at the moment.

If DP is not going to do anything further i am never switching my vote. I understand this is pretty shitty if he is town as we live on the other sides of the world and we have basically not been in the thread at all at the same time due to time zones / constraints.

But still i believe this is the most likely correct answer at this point.


it's actually fine for me to die. Just make sure you get the last lynch right.

NO ITS NOT FINE UNLESS YOU ARE SURE THAT THE LAST SCUM IS ARSOUL, AND YOU ARE SURE THAT WE WILL LYNCH THEM. COME AND PLAY THE FUCKING GAME


what is this rels?

I don't know I assume you will tell me soon ?


No, explain what you were thinking.

I'm thinking that it's not fine he's thinking him getting lynched is fine.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 15:32 GMT
#739
Well i am back to thinking DP is town.
Fuck this game is hard.
table for two on a tv tray
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 15:33 GMT
#740
On December 17 2015 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i am back to thinking DP is town.
Fuck this game is hard.

Only because you assume Artasoul would roll over and die or concede if they were scum. Show me the townie mindset behind the posts I quoted above.
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