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On December 16 2015 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fucking shit i believe DarthPunk is mafia.
The reasoning for this is the following;
I am throwing out everything marv ever did as WIFOM. I can't figure out what his actions mean and the answer is WIFOM any-fucking-ways. I have overlooked his play based on marv's actions and the fact that Rels was a lynch to go for the scumteam in case Rels is NOT scum, but i actually believe Damdred is right here. I believe mafia did want me to lynch instead of pushing on their own.
The huge problem i have with DP is the following. Whenever he figures out something there is literally zero follow-up and he is just waiting for everyone else to do shit. I don't think that's townie for him. The following cases;
- On D1 he figures out marv is town --> no follow up on lynch, except "i will sheep rayn"
- On N1/D2 he figures out Greymist is town --> no clear follow up on which one of Rels/Hydra is scum
- Right here, now, he figures out Hydra is town --> no vote on Rels, WHAT OTHER OPTION HE THINKS THERE IS IF HE THINKS THE HYDRA IS TOWN?!?!?
I think he is too laid back and i don't think he is actually thinking the game as a whole and i fucking think he is scum for it.
##vote DarthPunk
This is fine with me. Just figure out the game once I die lover <3
##vote:Darthpunk
Just checking in before bed and too tired/busy to fight this.
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Like i understand the PoE here is very very important and my PoE says the Hydra is not mafia.
But at the same time everyone else -- after PoE'ing comes to conclusion "this means this guy has to be mafia", when DP just leaves it at one step behind into "these guys are not mafia".
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I honestly believe you are equating time invested with like mafia not pushing agendas.
I haven't invested much time so I agree it might look bad.
I think you should lynch the hydra after I die though. Rels looks far too invested to be not town and the hydra only started caring when they were getting lynched.
Like, they trolled and then pretended to matyr but didn;t really matyr.
Anyway it's past midnight bed for reals. GGLGLGGL rayn.
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On December 16 2015 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fucking shit i believe DarthPunk is mafia.
The reasoning for this is the following;
I am throwing out everything marv ever did as WIFOM. I can't figure out what his actions mean and the answer is WIFOM any-fucking-ways. I have overlooked his play based on marv's actions and the fact that Rels was a lynch to go for the scumteam in case Rels is NOT scum, but i actually believe Damdred is right here. I believe mafia did want me to lynch instead of pushing on their own.
The huge problem i have with DP is the following. Whenever he figures out something there is literally zero follow-up and he is just waiting for everyone else to do shit. I don't think that's townie for him. The following cases;
- On D1 he figures out marv is town --> no follow up on lynch, except "i will sheep rayn"
- On N1/D2 he figures out Greymist is town --> no clear follow up on which one of Rels/Hydra is scum
- Right here, now, he figures out Hydra is town --> no vote on Rels, WHAT OTHER OPTION HE THINKS THERE IS IF HE THINKS THE HYDRA IS TOWN?!?!?
I think he is too laid back and i don't think he is actually thinking the game as a whole and i fucking think he is scum for it.
##vote DarthPunk
You cannot use what he did at EOD1 against him, unless you have meta on that ? Cause townie do stupid shit at EOD, and sheep when they don't know what to do.
On the second thing, he did say both GM and I were townie and that he would vote for Artasoul:
On December 15 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:
OK im around for like 15 minutes before I have to go to bed.
Some things.
I'm not the medic.
Rels looks really townie to me.
I think RSO looks bad.
I think the medic should probably claim if a save doesn't effect the number of mis-lynches we get because a confirmed townie is really strong in a small game.
Free to chat for a little if anyone is around while I read through some stuff.
On the third thing, I agree there is a lack of motivation with the unvote => nothing else done.
But it's NOTHING compared to artsoul's not caring attitude, from mocking people who are playing the game to not posting at EOD when their main suspect start posting.
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On December 16 2015 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i understand the PoE here is very very important and my PoE says the Hydra is not mafia.
But at the same time everyone else -- after PoE'ing comes to conclusion "this means this guy has to be mafia", when DP just leaves it at one step behind into "these guys are not mafia".
This is also self evident and I assume you can all count :D
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This is Lex (Art); Tina (Rso) is reading the thread again currently but I've got a few thoughts I just want to post.
Why Rels is likely town:
The way he approached his suspects later on is actually what makes me feel he's likely town. He engaged Greymist on a few inconsistencies which at first looked like scum-town to me, but looking back there was.. direction to it. Also, the way he's approached the game after Greymist turned out to be doc, which is the main point, feels really townie. At first, his unbelief towards GM being town. Then the way he treated us and being willing to go for the 1on1 whilst still trying to case us (presumably to make sure we get lynched first as he's been mislynched recently). Secondly, our appeals would give him an easy excuse to at least line up a DP lynch later or make it a bit more possible. Instead, he's still just focussed on us.
Why DP is likely scum:
This one's a bit WIFOM, but I don't think Marv would actually come back into the thread and play for someone he didn't know. Marv hates playing scum and I think DP would be one of the only people that could motivate him to play at least a little. The interactions also look like they'd make DP look good afterwards. With Rayn, Damdred and myself leaning scum on Rels and not as many people feeling the same for DP as well as the likeliness of Marv dying given his lack of motivation to play scum, it's actually a very legit play.
The biggest thing however is just the way he's approached the game the last few days. He seems way too certain on us being scum and says mafia made it too easy, then unvotes us for a single post on Rels. I don't believe he can be that certain then be that convinced so easily. I could see the lack of caring coming from a town DP that's convinced the game is solved, but I don't think it lines up with what he's actually saying. He still seems to pretend to try and figure out the game, but not put in any actual effort.
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Also Rels, you took us way too seriously if you thought our read flip post was intended to mock people. We were just having a little fun. Nor did we intend on "begging" Rayn to consider DP. We simply wanted to know if it was something he was open to.
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I really don't know what else to say at the moment.
If DP is not going to do anything further i am never switching my vote. I understand this is pretty shitty if he is town as we live on the other sides of the world and we have basically not been in the thread at all at the same time due to time zones / constraints. 
But still i believe this is the most likely correct answer at this point.
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On December 16 2015 22:47 RtaniSoul wrote:
Also Rels, you took us way too seriously if you thought our read flip post was intended to mock people. We were just having a little fun. Nor did we intend on "begging" Rayn to consider DP. We simply wanted to know if it was something he was open to.
Yep you had a little fun, and I think it is scum indicative you did that while others were playing the game.
There is 0 content in all your recent posts except the "why is Rels town and DP scum" one, only emotions, which is exactly how a scum would act in your position. Even then, your explanation to "DP is scum" is:
- the worst WIFOM scumread I've ever seen. So DP is scum because marv wouldn't have played if he was scum with me ? That. Is. Not. A. Valid. Reason.
- "I could see the lack of caring coming from a town DP that's convinced the game is solved, but I don't think it lines up with what he's actually saying. He still seems to pretend to try and figure out the game, but not put in any actual effort." But until 10 minutes ago, we were the two lynches and the two question marks, so the game was solved from his POV.
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On December 16 2015 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i understand the PoE here is very very important and my PoE says the Hydra is not mafia.
I don't understand why these 0 content 100% emotion posts made you changed your mind. I have a hard time seeing them coming from town, so I don't see how you reading them made you go "they are probably not scum".
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On December 16 2015 23:00 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 22:47 RtaniSoul wrote:
Also Rels, you took us way too seriously if you thought our read flip post was intended to mock people. We were just having a little fun. Nor did we intend on "begging" Rayn to consider DP. We simply wanted to know if it was something he was open to. Yep you had a little fun, and I think it is scum indicative you did that while others were playing the game.
Because neither of us have had a little fun whilst others were playing the game as town before.
[spoiler]
There is 0 content in all your recent posts except the "why is Rels town and DP scum" one, only emotions, which is exactly how a scum would act in your position.
If you honestly think this is our scum gameplan we find that very... interesting.
Even then, your explanation to "DP is scum" is:
- the worst WIFOM scumread I've ever seen. So DP is scum because marv wouldn't have played if he was scum with me ? That. Is. Not. A. Valid. Reason.
Probably is tbh.
- "I could see the lack of caring coming from a town DP that's convinced the game is solved, but I don't think it lines up with what he's actually saying. He still seems to pretend to try and figure out the game, but not put in any actual effort." But until 10 minutes ago, we were the two lynches and the two question marks, so the game was solved from his POV.
Except that he still argued with us but without any conviction and then ended up unvoting us and still not having any conviction. And then when he became a possible suspect he just voted himself and went away. Surely if he actually believed the game was solved he'd get a little bit upset/a desire to play when that ended up changing?
##Unvote
##Vote DarthPunk[/quote]
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Well if that is your scum plan it seemed to have fucking worked ain't that right ?
On December 16 2015 23:06 RtaniSoul wrote:
Except that he still argued with us but without any conviction and then ended up unvoting us and still not having any conviction. And then when he became a possible suspect he just voted himself and went away. Surely if he actually believed the game was solved he'd get a little bit upset/a desire to play when that ended up changing?
This is the only serious thing against him.
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On December 16 2015 23:14 Rels wrote:Well if that is your scum plan it seemed to have fucking worked ain't that right ? Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 23:06 RtaniSoul wrote:
Except that he still argued with us but without any conviction and then ended up unvoting us and still not having any conviction. And then when he became a possible suspect he just voted himself and went away. Surely if he actually believed the game was solved he'd get a little bit upset/a desire to play when that ended up changing? This is the only serious thing against him.
Because it was totes predictable that Rayn would turn against DP that suddenly of course.
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On December 16 2015 19:50 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn is smart enough to analyze the game again at LYLO. As am I (though I don't feel the need to as there is no way on earth rayn is scum)
Does anyone else see why i am legit very very confused about this post? And i think it shows a scum mindset.
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But Tina says I can't be an asshole to you as long as I think you're town
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On December 16 2015 23:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 19:50 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn is smart enough to analyze the game again at LYLO. As am I (though I don't feel the need to as there is no way on earth rayn is scum)
Does anyone else see why i am legit very very confused about this post? And i think it shows a scum mindset.
Actually thought that was very weird too.
You should always re-eval at LYLO!
..except when Rayn is in LYLO because he can't be scum.
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Scum is either Rtani or DP. I think it's Rtani. Just woke up but reading I think they fit the bill.
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On December 16 2015 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:I really don't know what else to say at the moment. If DP is not going to do anything further i am never switching my vote. I understand this is pretty shitty if he is town as we live on the other sides of the world and we have basically not been in the thread at all at the same time due to time zones / constraints. But still i believe this is the most likely correct answer at this point.
it's actually fine for me to die. Just make sure you get the last lynch right.
game stuff ends here
I have this feeling in the pit of my stomach like I really want to fight my lynch the way I would have in the past but real life takes too much time to play mafia properly and there is no way I can work a 12 hour day on less than 6 hours sleep.
During this game I was able to spend at the most 3 hours per day to read and post in the thread and the way I have always played has been in a very interactive way that requires lots of time and attention and spam 
Basically the reason I am saying all this because this will be my last game of mafia for the foreseeable future. (No Rayn you will not again convince me to play after I refuse citing time constraints so you can lynch me due to not doing enough.)
It is not fair on my past self and all the effort I used to put into this game I loved.
I can't play to my own standards and it is incredibly frustrating to be in that situation where instead of a mafia god I am a fucking grandfather who should have already retired.
I am grateful though that I got to play in this last game with two of my favourite players ever (marv/Rayn)
And someone new who vividly reminds me of how I once played the game.
So thanks for that.
Also, as it's my own fucking eulogy:
Rso you are legit terrible at the game.
Artanis fuck you for not trying in vengeful you prick.
Rayn thanks for the memories but I still lynched the shit out of you in hydra.
Marv you are a god except your ego is a force of fucking nature.
Fuck you holy flare.
I think that's everything .
I'm turning off my phone so I can salvage some sleep.
It was a wild ride while it lasted. Peace!
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On December 16 2015 23:20 DarthPunk wrote:
Rso you are legit terrible at the game.
Artanis fuck you for not trying in vengeful you prick.
<3
In other news, this actually makes us very worried
Screw this game. Can we just lynch us so we don't have to think about it anymore?
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On December 16 2015 23:20 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:I really don't know what else to say at the moment. If DP is not going to do anything further i am never switching my vote. I understand this is pretty shitty if he is town as we live on the other sides of the world and we have basically not been in the thread at all at the same time due to time zones / constraints. But still i believe this is the most likely correct answer at this point. it's actually fine for me to die. Just make sure you get the last lynch right.
NO ITS NOT FINE UNLESS YOU ARE SURE THAT THE LAST SCUM IS ARSOUL, AND YOU ARE SURE THAT WE WILL LYNCH THEM. COME AND PLAY THE FUCKING GAME
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