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On December 16 2015 19:33 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't get why if the hydra say they look scummy cause they don;t give a fuck and it doesn't matter, why do they suddenly start giving a fuck while still pretending to NOT give a fuck?
Doesn't make sense from a town perspective IMO. Like i think as town you either care about the game or you don't I don;t think townies will mess around with how they are perceived like the hydra is doing.
You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us. You should probably focus on burying rels now.
Wow you are treating me as a confirmed town now ?
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On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote:
Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post.
We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother.
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On December 16 2015 19:34 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 19:33 RtaniSoul wrote:On December 16 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't get why if the hydra say they look scummy cause they don;t give a fuck and it doesn't matter, why do they suddenly start giving a fuck while still pretending to NOT give a fuck?
Doesn't make sense from a town perspective IMO. Like i think as town you either care about the game or you don't I don;t think townies will mess around with how they are perceived like the hydra is doing.
You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us. You should probably focus on burying rels now. Wow you are treating me as a confirmed town now ?
No, but we are always getting lynched either today or tomorrow and we think we have more control over who flips tomorrow this way. You can back off now, we're flipping today.
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On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote:
Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post. We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother.
And you know very well he will listen if you say smart things, so it is without a point to ask such a question. Even if you didn't already played dozen of games with him, he did exactly that during N1.
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On December 16 2015 19:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote:On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote:
Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post. We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother. And you know very well he will listen if you say smart things, so it is without a point to ask such a question. Even if you didn't already played dozen of games with him, he did exactly that during N1.
There really isn't always a point. I know that full well from my experiences with him.
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Rayn is smart enough to analyze the game again at LYLO. As am I (though I don't feel the need to as there is no way on earth rayn is scum)
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Artasoul, your play disgust me. I have a super high opinion of you rsoul, so I really really hope you're scum. When rayn changed his mind about GM you mocked him:
On December 15 2015 07:09 RtaniSoul wrote:Okay, we've decided to re-evaluate everything and we've come to some shocking revelations. After rereading over all the posts, we've decided Rayn is the most likely scum. He was inconsistent in his reads on Greymist. At first, he didn't want to lynch him, then suddenly he does. It just doesn't make any sense. Secondly, we also think Damdred is mafia. LoneMeow is a bastard host and it was actually Rels who flipped vanilla town. Marv was also town. DarthPunk we aren't sure on. We thought he might be town because he buddied people early but then he started making posts that made sense so now we're not sure. GreYMisT.. Well, we thought he was town for everything but then he misconstrued something he once said in an argument about an argument in an argument so we guess he's mafia anyway. Unfortunately this means the game is already lost because there's too many mafia 
You were into this "sarcastically not caring" mode when you were sure either GM or I were scum, but you mocked rayn for scumreading GM instead of I all the same.
And now you're begging for him to pleeaaaaase listen to you if you do us the great honor of fucking playing the game.
And here, after DP said he was not the doc, you continued pushing the notion that the scum was in Rels / GM:
On December 15 2015 23:38 RtaniSoul wrote:
Quite simply, the doctor should claim so there's no chance of a scum fake claim in lylo/mylo (with a couple possible exceptions that should be obvious).
We could try hard here, but what's the point? Lynch Rels, and if he for some weird reason flips town, lynch GM. DP is right; if GM is scum it's not for that. To us the game is basically solved? So no, we really don't care anymore, especially when we were getting scumreads for being too clean. Newsflash: we're townie because we're town, not some stupid bullshit mindfuck only scum players are townie narrative. (Yes, I'm looking at you, rayn.)
When it was clear that only GM could be doc. You're not playing the game, and now you want to be begged to bother reading a five pages filter.
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Vote count:
RtaniSoul (3): Rels, raynpelikoneet, DarthPunk, RtaniSoul
GreYMisT (0): Rels
Rels (0): raynpelikoneet, RtaniSoul
Not voting (2): GreYMisT, DarthPunk
Currently, RtaniSoul is set to be lynched.
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Honestly, Rels, we started getting worried that DP was the last scum and not you and Lex wanted to put more work in than I really felt inclined to, which started this whole thing.
You're right. Most of what was in that case was circumstantial and weak. It could make you scum but it doesn't definitively mean anything. I do remember going over with you looking at things from both sides, and I do know how you think and yes that has been reflected in this game, though I think you're good enough to at least replicate your thought process as scum.
If you're town here and for the sake of this post and because of our doubts I'm going to assume that's the case for the moment, take a second to think about what our perspective is as town looking at this game. You have to be the last scum unless we're wrong on rayn or DP, and we're almost as certain as we can be that rayn is town. Basically we're looking at the same game as you are, only in reverse. And the way the thread stands now, if DP is scum here, he will definitely win this game hands down. I think maybe you have a better chance of pushing him tomorrow than we do which is why we're happy to flip first, and also that we know our reads will at least be accepted as genuine after we flip.
The thing is, EoD with marv and rayn's certainty had us pretty much not even questioning DP as town. But if you're scum here you're pretty much an asshole (lol, don't take that to heart, but yeah, playing pretty dirty making me feel guilty xP). We've been enjoying Lex's time here and not prioritizing the thread. We're not really apologetic about that; I'd rather have fun with him here.
What we want here is very simple.
We aren't trying to get anyone to lynch anyone but us. We're not going to defend ourselves. We're not going to talk about our alignment.
We honestly didn't want to waste time on our holiday looking into DP if rayn was dead-set on him being town, because we'd rather enjoy ourselves, but we'll do it for you Rels in the event you're town because I'd feel awful not to and let you get mislynched in lylo after you just got mislynched your last game.
So just do us a favor and don't ride us? We're getting lynched anyway. We don't need the distractions and we will get distracted cause we're horrible about letting things go and will just argue instead of look into things.
Lol, sorry about the shit game. Lazy hydras were being lazy 
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Yep. I don't think this big post can have a town motivation, unless they feel super guilty and have the need to express themselves but don't want to admit it.
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On December 15 2015 05:36 Damdred wrote:
Rayn it is hard, maybe medic will be in group of three and make it easy lolol.
I'm still super paranoid about dp but I think he's town maybe.
One thing going against rels which is total eifom in my mind was Marv not jumping on him to work with you and preserve himself. But at the same time why would he if he had done enough to get you and I off of him you could scream rels home and he got to sit back. Besides that I like some of the effort/logic rels is using.
Idk I'm still torn on gm Marv I think gave a read on everyone but gm? Ignored him to a point and eod made me throw my hands up about him.
tina/art have no cred from the Marv flip but I like what they say when they are here but something bugs me to an extent about them. Mube they aren't as helpful as they should be or as involved
I am so fucking hard trying to think if this is the case or not...
Because if it is it changes a lot of things.
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On December 16 2015 22:06 Rels wrote:
Yep. I don't think this big post can have a town motivation, unless they feel super guilty and have the need to express themselves but don't want to admit it.
Well this is not exactly what i expected you to say but... nvm...
Could you go read the EOD 1 and tell what do you think marv doing what he did and other people's actions (excluding Greymist) means.
Also why have you not done that before? You have the "privilege" to know you are not mafia or "you are not mafia" here, so there must be another explanation for you to marv's actions other than the obvious "he is scum with Rels".
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Because honestly, the answer that is correct about 9 times out of 10 is that marv did not vote for you because you are scum with him... But i wanna hear what your opinion happens that one time.
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On December 16 2015 21:04 RtaniSoul wrote:Honestly, Rels, we started getting worried that DP was the last scum and not you and Lex wanted to put more work in than I really felt inclined to, which started this whole thing. You're right. Most of what was in that case was circumstantial and weak. It could make you scum but it doesn't definitively mean anything. I do remember going over with you looking at things from both sides, and I do know how you think and yes that has been reflected in this game, though I think you're good enough to at least replicate your thought process as scum. If you're town here and for the sake of this post and because of our doubts I'm going to assume that's the case for the moment, take a second to think about what our perspective is as town looking at this game. You have to be the last scum unless we're wrong on rayn or DP, and we're almost as certain as we can be that rayn is town. Basically we're looking at the same game as you are, only in reverse. And the way the thread stands now, if DP is scum here, he will definitely win this game hands down. I think maybe you have a better chance of pushing him tomorrow than we do which is why we're happy to flip first, and also that we know our reads will at least be accepted as genuine after we flip. The thing is, EoD with marv and rayn's certainty had us pretty much not even questioning DP as town. But if you're scum here you're pretty much an asshole (lol, don't take that to heart, but yeah, playing pretty dirty making me feel guilty xP). We've been enjoying Lex's time here and not prioritizing the thread. We're not really apologetic about that; I'd rather have fun with him here. What we want here is very simple. We aren't trying to get anyone to lynch anyone but us. We're not going to defend ourselves. We're not going to talk about our alignment. We honestly didn't want to waste time on our holiday looking into DP if rayn was dead-set on him being town, because we'd rather enjoy ourselves, but we'll do it for you Rels in the event you're town because I'd feel awful not to and let you get mislynched in lylo after you just got mislynched your last game. So just do us a favor and don't ride us? We're getting lynched anyway. We don't need the distractions and we will get distracted cause we're horrible about letting things go and will just argue instead of look into things. Lol, sorry about the shit game. Lazy hydras were being lazy
I don't think this post is likely to come from town.
First the potential scum motivation here is obvious: appeal to emotion so they look townie. So let's look at potential town motivation.
I have two problems when I try to imagine this coming from townies.
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A general impression: Artasoul rescinds their "Rels is 100% scum" mentality to go to "Mm maybe Rels is town we need to look at DP". The thing is it's been a few hours since they anounced DP might actually be the last scum, since that post:
On December 16 2015 19:12 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:
arsoul will you try tomorrow if we lynch me ? I wanna see how you try to get DP lynched. This is extremely tempting. If you get lynched before us and are town there's no way DP will get lynched, no way Rayn will listen to us. We're actually thinking of really going over DP one more time before the flip just to make sure you're the scum, but there wouldn't be a point to that if Rayn is unwilling to consider him. Which means it's actually better for us to get lynched first. So, to Rayn: If we analyze DP and end up thinking he's more likely scum than Rels, will you listen to us after we flip town? ##Unvote
##Vote RtaniSoul
and all they did since is say "mm maybe DP is the last scum and we were wrong", without nothing to show for it. A townie would have looked for why DP might be scum before saying such a thing. It's even truer since they are hydras, so they can talk about stuff like this together; I don't understand the townie motivation of posting "DP might actually the last scum" without having looked for it; then continue to not look for it; but do big emotionnal posts about why they are doing it.
The only motivation for doing this (explaining themselves while doing nothing) is appearing good. And the only motivation for a townie to appear good is if they feel guilty about playing bad and tunneling me. It is a possibility, but I don't think it is likely at all.
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On one detail: they say "But if you're scum here you're pretty much an asshole (lol, don't take that to heart, but yeah, playing pretty dirty making me feel guilty xP)"
Well, the little post I made above is nothing compared to that one I made yesterday:
On December 15 2015 17:56 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 07:09 RtaniSoul wrote:Okay, we've decided to re-evaluate everything and we've come to some shocking revelations. After rereading over all the posts, we've decided Rayn is the most likely scum. He was inconsistent in his reads on Greymist. At first, he didn't want to lynch him, then suddenly he does. It just doesn't make any sense. Secondly, we also think Damdred is mafia. LoneMeow is a bastard host and it was actually Rels who flipped vanilla town. Marv was also town. DarthPunk we aren't sure on. We thought he might be town because he buddied people early but then he started making posts that made sense so now we're not sure. GreYMisT.. Well, we thought he was town for everything but then he misconstrued something he once said in an argument about an argument in an argument so we guess he's mafia anyway. Unfortunately this means the game is already lost because there's too many mafia You're bad. You're two players, and you two are the worst players in this game. + Show Spoiler [Why you're bad] +Your reads are bad. In your first post you had a perfectly fine opinion on DP: On December 12 2015 15:03 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 13:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2015 13:52 RtaniSoul wrote:
*sanctioned message by both heads
We are seeking a third head. Please apply.
Unless your name is DP and your nose is firmly up everyone's ass already.
Carry on ^^ That's how he posts. Game? I've been mislynched once on this site, in large part because I failed to convince geript that DP was a skeezy scumbucket with a geript in his pocket. Artie remembers Imperial and remembers a more aggressive DP. I glanced through the town game before that just in case replacing in might have had an effect on DP's play, but no dice. Aggressive there right out the starting gate. These are only a few games, but given they support the perception we already have... Where you getting this from, rayn? -waves at DP- Because pointing out that you're buddying people is definitely not worth mentioning or anything ^^ We up for a round two? rayn posts why you should reconsider it: On December 12 2015 18:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 15:03 RtaniSoul wrote:On December 12 2015 13:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2015 13:52 RtaniSoul wrote:
*sanctioned message by both heads
We are seeking a third head. Please apply.
Unless your name is DP and your nose is firmly up everyone's ass already.
Carry on ^^ That's how he posts. Game? I've been mislynched once on this site, in large part because I failed to convince geript that DP was a skeezy scumbucket with a geript in his pocket. Artie remembers Imperial and remembers a more aggressive DP. I glanced through the town game before that just in case replacing in might have had an effect on DP's play, but no dice. Aggressive there right out the starting gate. These are only a few games, but given they support the perception we already have... Where you getting this from, rayn? -waves at DP- Because pointing out that you're buddying people is definitely not worth mentioning or anything ^^ We up for a round two? This is the last game i remember playing with DarthPunk when we were both town. This is his filter in the game. Basically i know DP is usually aggressive and i can see where you are coming from. Obviously it's nor out of the realm of possibilities he is mafia here, but i disagree in him not being "aggressive enough" makes him mafia. He treats different people differently, and i know for a fact he buddies to strong players (if you read the filter the "proof" is there). Basically this game is filled with people who in my opinion do not respond well -- or at all -- to pressure, at least unfounded pressure (i mean situations where the game has went on for hours and there is not really anything scummy in thread -- disagree?). At the time you called him out, what in your opinion should he have done as town? Should he have questioned something? Should he have pressured something more? In my opinion, when i read the thread at that point, i didn't see anything wrong -- which is i, myself decided to comment on the only read i could be even semi-sure of. Also bringing up Imperial is in my opinion a bit of a misjudgement (or what the fuck is the word). He replaced into a game on N3...... Of course there is going to be some reads he has rofl. If he hadn't any reads on a thread that is @ N3, he could just quit mafia. Comparing that game to this one (at 6 hours into the game with only 3 people properly even posting) is quite a stretch. Then BEFORE RECONSIDERING IT, YOU POST THE FUCKING SAME READ TWO MORE TIMES, THEN YOU SAY "OK RAYN WAS RIGHT WE WERE WRONG". WHY DID YOU REPOST THE SAME READ WITHOUT CHECKING WHAT RAYN SAID ??????? ITS USELESS, IT CLUTTERS THE THREAD, IT DOESNT HAVE A PURPOSE On December 13 2015 01:10 RtaniSoul wrote:
P.S. Thanks rayn! I'll take a look at your link...later? Maybe when I'm waiting at the airport to pick up Lex. Also, just to be clear, my point was the buddying and not the aggression...I am well aware that DP can be aggressive as either alignment, and we are both aware that Imperial is different, which is why I looked up the other town game (Avogadro, to be precise). So let me rephrase. Buddying without pushing anything early game is what caught our attention. On December 14 2015 00:15 RtaniSoul wrote:
About the reiteration
Our concern is essentially what we're outlining below. Not the fact that DP is buddying, or that he's not aggressive in isolation, but that he's a non-entity. Those are distinctly different in our minds than saying oh look! DP is buddying people! He must be scum! Or DP is not being aggressive enough! He must be scum! It is more of an overall feel for his presence (or lack thereof) in the thread. Here you say DP's townread in not at all based on rayn: On December 14 2015 21:00 RtaniSoul wrote:
Lexy really thinks DP is town based on his later posting, and I'm gonna trust him over me. We realize that there wasn't much thread sentiment to move to DP and it could have been considered a safe buss attempt, but Occam's razor suggests marv doesn't put his vote on his scummate to get out of a nearly inevitable lynch. We also don't see marv risking lynching his scumbuddy because he's not likely to play afterward. Then here it's partly based on rayn's read: On December 14 2015 23:39 RtaniSoul wrote:
In the end, we trusted rayn that buddying and lack of aggression alone doesn't make DP scum and couldn't be assed to do a meta dive. Which bring me to a parenthesis: YOU ANSWER PARTIALLY TO QUESTIONS On December 15 2015 00:39 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 00:36 Rels wrote:Alright. Why is GM townie for scumreading Damdred & rayn, when he dropped these scumreads at the most opportunistic time (deadline) ? You agreed with Damdred & rayn probing me concerning the marv vote here: On December 14 2015 00:15 RtaniSoul wrote:
Then there was the weird marv vote that also got pinged out by Rayn and Damdred. In the case of Marv being mafia, it gives Rels an excuse to be on him early whilst actually being able to switch to DP as soon as Marv posts. GM found Damdred scummy about the way Damdred probed me concerning the marv vote: On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The first is in regards to Damdred/Rels. I felt OK about Dam at first, but it struck me as interesting the way he interacted with Rels when Rels votes Marv. He asks why Rels is policy voting someone when he has a scum read on someone else, a sentiment I have no real issue with. What strikes me as strange is the way Dam seems to play up what Rels is doing as a weird play. The interaction covers most of a page when it seemed like it really didn't need to. I am suspicious of players who have lengthy interactions with others while accomplishing nothing. In addition, after this happens, DP essentially does the exact same thing and yet no reaction from Damdred. This strikes me as odd and I'd like to hear damdred's thoights about DP's vote placement. Why do you townread GM for attacking Damdred because Damdred did something you agreed with ? You're right. If we'd townread GM for attacking Damdred specifically for that reason, rather than because pushing damdred and rayn is a high-risk, low-reward play with scum marv afk...that would be weird. "We townread DP because WIFOM WIFOM". That's bad but OK. On December 15 2015 00:46 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 00:43 Rels wrote:On December 15 2015 00:39 RtaniSoul wrote:On December 15 2015 00:36 Rels wrote:Alright. Why is GM townie for scumreading Damdred & rayn, when he dropped these scumreads at the most opportunistic time (deadline) ? You agreed with Damdred & rayn probing me concerning the marv vote here: On December 14 2015 00:15 RtaniSoul wrote:
Then there was the weird marv vote that also got pinged out by Rayn and Damdred. In the case of Marv being mafia, it gives Rels an excuse to be on him early whilst actually being able to switch to DP as soon as Marv posts. GM found Damdred scummy about the way Damdred probed me concerning the marv vote: On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The first is in regards to Damdred/Rels. I felt OK about Dam at first, but it struck me as interesting the way he interacted with Rels when Rels votes Marv. He asks why Rels is policy voting someone when he has a scum read on someone else, a sentiment I have no real issue with. What strikes me as strange is the way Dam seems to play up what Rels is doing as a weird play. The interaction covers most of a page when it seemed like it really didn't need to. I am suspicious of players who have lengthy interactions with others while accomplishing nothing. In addition, after this happens, DP essentially does the exact same thing and yet no reaction from Damdred. This strikes me as odd and I'd like to hear damdred's thoights about DP's vote placement. Why do you townread GM for attacking Damdred because Damdred did something you agreed with ? You're right. If we'd townread GM for attacking Damdred specifically for that reason, rather than because pushing damdred and rayn is a high-risk, low-reward play with scum marv afk...that would be weird. Your reason for townreading GM isn't good then. It's "scum wouldn't do that!" It's similar for your reason for townreading me. "scum!Rels wouldn't vote someone else than marv at EOD!" They're weak. If those were our only reasons, then yes, they would be weak. Also, rayn's reasons for townreading GM are excellent lol >< OH I DIDNT MENTION IT IN THE LAST ANSWER BUT WE HAVE OTHER REASONS TOO HURR DURR END OF PARENTHESIS BECAUSE IT GOES BACK TO BAD READS: On December 15 2015 01:06 RtaniSoul wrote:
So our view on Rels' recent posting is that it feels like the tone is more townie in that he's working with us and asking questions which is more indicative of his Townplay, but the things he's trying to nail people on are things that have either already been explained or aren't that strong and it feels a bit like "hey, can I nail them on this?" "nope? damn, let me try this instead". That's kind of the impression he's leaving on us right now. MY GOD HOW DARE RELS ASK US QUESTIONS TO SEE IF WE RE SCUM, THEN DONT FIND SOMETHING SCUMMY IN OUR ANSWERS AND GO DO SOMETHING ELSE E EZ SCUM On December 14 2015 23:11 RtaniSoul wrote:
To be honest, Rels, you just haven't written anything that has made us go "ah! that looks like a town Rels!" You seem to be gunning after whatever you can get. I described it as throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks. BECAUSE THAT IS TOTALLY NOT HOW I SCUM HUNT USUALLY HOW DARE RELS THROW SEVERAL SPAGHETTIS AND SEE THE ONE THAT STICKS ON SCUM You scumread me for POE, which is OK, AND for asking "pointless questions trying to nail suspicions on someone" which is outrageous. THAT S TRUE, HOW DARE RELS BE SUSPICIOUS OF US WHEN WE HAD SUCH A PERFECT EOD ??? WE JUST WERE AFK DURING DEADLINE AND 13 HOURS AFTER IT BECAUSE I WAS SHOPPING THE WHOLE CITY. Oh Arta ??? uh .... he was sick What is EVEN WORSE is that you also scumread me by POE because of this SUPERBE GM townread: On December 14 2015 23:11 RtaniSoul wrote:
we still feel that GM's approach to the game has been fairly townie in terms of tone and strategy. Damdred and Rayn as his main scumreads earlier, for example, is just not a winning play for scum when they're never getting lynched here. We townread this experienced player because TONE and HE WOULDNT WEAR PANTS IN HIS HEAD IF HE WAS SCUM RIGHT ???? Now can you two can link me ONE time in any town game a moment where someone else ask you to explain your reasonning, and you MAKE UP A NEW ONE BEFORE REALIZING IT WASNT IT ?
And here is how they reacted to "me playing dirty":
On December 15 2015 23:38 RtaniSoul wrote:
Quite simply, the doctor should claim so there's no chance of a scum fake claim in lylo/mylo (with a couple possible exceptions that should be obvious).
We could try hard here, but what's the point? Lynch Rels, and if he for some weird reason flips town, lynch GM. DP is right; if GM is scum it's not for that. To us the game is basically solved? So no, we really don't care anymore, especially when we were getting scumreads for being too clean. Newsflash: we're townie because we're town, not some stupid bullshit mindfuck only scum players are townie narrative. (Yes, I'm looking at you, rayn.)
There is a difference on their reactions to the same type of post, that they should react to the same; the only different thing is the context, as after the first post they had decided I was scum, and after the second one they had decided I might be town. Someone having different reactions based on what they have decided is likely to be scum.
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On December 16 2015 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 22:06 Rels wrote:
Yep. I don't think this big post can have a town motivation, unless they feel super guilty and have the need to express themselves but don't want to admit it. Well this is not exactly what i expected you to say but... nvm... Could you go read the EOD 1 and tell what do you think marv doing what he did and other people's actions (excluding Greymist) means. Also why have you not done that before? You have the "privilege" to know you are not mafia or "you are not mafia" here, so there must be another explanation for you to marv's actions other than the obvious "he is scum with Rels".
I have read and thought about it a bunch already and I have no explanation. The clear way for marv to survive was voting me, so not doing it is a mindgame that we can only guess what the correct answer is by luck. The only thing that makes sense is that DP is probably not scum, because marv knows his reputation and knows he could cost DP his life, especially if DP really had to AFK. You and Damdred are clearly looking to lynch scum without fear of looking bad. GM looks super bad. And DP just sheeps you, which is NAI. Artasoul read the game but didn't commit to anything, which I have a hard time seeing from a townie mindset.
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On December 16 2015 21:04 RtaniSoul wrote:
We aren't trying to get anyone to lynch anyone but us. We're not going to defend ourselves. We're not going to talk about our alignment.
So just do us a favor and don't ride us? We're getting lynched anyway. We don't need the distractions and we will get distracted cause we're horrible about letting things go and will just argue instead of look into things
Park your vote and leave please if you won't discuss other things with us.
Please and thank you
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Fucking shit i believe DarthPunk is mafia.
The reasoning for this is the following;
I am throwing out everything marv ever did as WIFOM. I can't figure out what his actions mean and the answer is WIFOM any-fucking-ways. I have overlooked his play based on marv's actions and the fact that Rels was a lynch to go for the scumteam in case Rels is NOT scum, but i actually believe Damdred is right here. I believe mafia did want me to lynch instead of pushing on their own.
The huge problem i have with DP is the following. Whenever he figures out something there is literally zero follow-up and he is just waiting for everyone else to do shit. I don't think that's townie for him. The following cases;
- On D1 he figures out marv is town --> no follow up on lynch, except "i will sheep rayn"
- On N1/D2 he figures out Greymist is town --> no clear follow up on which one of Rels/Hydra is scum
- Right here, now, he figures out Hydra is town --> no vote on Rels, WHAT OTHER OPTION HE THINKS THERE IS IF HE THINKS THE HYDRA IS TOWN?!?!?
I think he is too laid back and i don't think he is actually thinking the game as a whole and i fucking think he is scum for it.
##vote DarthPunk
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On December 16 2015 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fucking shit i believe DarthPunk is mafia.
The reasoning for this is the following;
I am throwing out everything marv ever did as WIFOM. I can't figure out what his actions mean and the answer is WIFOM any-fucking-ways. I have overlooked his play based on marv's actions and the fact that Rels was a lynch to go for the scumteam in case Rels is NOT scum, but i actually believe Damdred is right here. I believe mafia did want me to lynch instead of pushing on their own.
The huge problem i have with DP is the following. Whenever he figures out something there is literally zero follow-up and he is just waiting for everyone else to do shit. I don't think that's townie for him. The following cases;
- On D1 he figures out marv is town --> no follow up on lynch, except "i will sheep rayn"
- On N1/D2 he figures out Greymist is town --> no clear follow up on which one of Rels/Hydra is scum
- Right here, now, he figures out Hydra is town --> no vote on Rels, WHAT OTHER OPTION HE THINKS THERE IS IF HE THINKS THE HYDRA IS TOWN?!?!?
I think he is too laid back and i don't think he is actually thinking the game as a whole and i fucking think he is scum for it.
##vote DarthPunk
I love you
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