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im still pretty sure ff is mafia for breaking smurf cover. Like there is so many reasons he would do this as mafia. Smurfs are always lynched first
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Like look at the game I smurfed. I was pretty town read and playing a character (something I would have done as either alignment) but because my smurf was outed everyone thought I was scum.
Marv remembers this well im sure
So because I was playing a character that i would have done as either alignment when my true identity was figured out i was lynched.
Smurfs always get lynched man ff broke his cover because ff never gets lynched and thats great because hes mafia
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On November 28 2015 02:44 GlowingBear wrote:Slight suspicions only cast at 09:45pm: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2015 21:45 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2015 16:49 Tictock wrote:I have returned. Sorry boys had some last min stuff come up getting prepared for family to come over tomorrow. Anyways, I'm back and around till closer to EoD when people start showing up. I'm not fully caught up but I read a little at work earlier and saw GB and Vivax pushing me for this post. On November 25 2015 09:04 Tictock wrote:On November 25 2015 08:48 sicklucker wrote:On November 25 2015 08:46 Chromatically wrote:On November 25 2015 08:43 sicklucker wrote:On November 25 2015 08:09 Chromatically wrote:
I'm more interested in if he thinks FF is mafia for that? ya probably. Hes afraid he will be outed and coming clean will gain him town cred. Theres no way ff smurfed to reveal himself the 80% of the time he rolled town. It makes no sense... Espiecally since I have never seen him get mafia in like 15 games with him... lynch ff for sanity Hmm, I had the opposite reaction. Why would he be afraid of being outed as a smurf? Ok so ff has a very high perecentage of rolling town. Town is like 80% of the players. Why would he make a smurf when hes only getting mafia like 23% of the time or whatever. Especially when he historically never gets mafia anyway.. lol.. Hmm? You might have a point here, especially revealing so early before he could even see the affects of smurfing. FF tends to play fairly lazily the first few days and picks it up later. Maybe he rolled mafia and was worried people would push him early on? Course all of this is assuming it's actually FF and not someone trying to mind game us early... that's pretty tinfoily though and would be a pretty silly play. Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now. I didn't state my conclusion as well as I should have I guess. What I was saying is that FF dropping his smurf is weird (SL had a point on that) but that trying to get a read out of that steaming pile of WIFOM is impossible. Anyways I got some time so I'm just gunna reread this game since it's only 24 pgs. I only recall having vague townfeels on Koshi and SL when I left off. you acualy didnt say that tho. all you said was "if hes not really ff then its not valid" you 100% said my shit was valid nice backtrack to popular thread sentiment... hum On November 26 2015 21:49 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2015 18:14 Tictock wrote:Sn0 I think has a strong chance of flipping mafia here as well. He throws out multiple suggestions to lynch a few different people right off the bat, but other than requoting his post about SL doesn't really push any of it. Hops on my wagon with no imput, then makes this post On November 26 2015 02:24 Sn0_Man wrote:
if i vote sicklucker its me'n'him in a shitflinging fest nobody cares about with extremely limited material to work with that develops into a useless sideshow that if he's maf he can use to say "look i'm scumhunting" by targetting townie ol me.
meanwhile we make a nice wagon on tictock and he gets pressured in a way that should help us read him. It's not like this is a serious lynch wagon. yet.
u know basic mafia things Which is wierd, because he claims that his vote on me is to get a better read, but he has no read on me that I've seen. Really just seems like he has experience with SL and is more comfortable pushing an unknown person. I'm also quite interested in the fact that nobody who called out my post early on commented on this one. On November 26 2015 04:34 Sn0_Man wrote:
Why would marv not finding scum day 1 as town make him scum now for being useless and not finding scum?
Also, why would "nothing wrong with it" be good justification for a lynch?
I agree that marv's play has been lazy and unhelpful to town in a way that makes me suspicious, but unlike you I prefer the approach proposed by... (gb i think) that waits until marv has proven himself to not be scumhunting before trying to open up his lynch.
So while I liked your sentiment to an extent (that marv isn't playing townie, not that we lynch him today), I really disliked the way you worded and went about your post. Which is what marv pointed out already, which makes things more confusing. + Show Spoiler [Compare] +On November 25 2015 09:04 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2015 08:48 sicklucker wrote:On November 25 2015 08:46 Chromatically wrote:On November 25 2015 08:43 sicklucker wrote:On November 25 2015 08:09 Chromatically wrote:
I'm more interested in if he thinks FF is mafia for that? ya probably. Hes afraid he will be outed and coming clean will gain him town cred. Theres no way ff smurfed to reveal himself the 80% of the time he rolled town. It makes no sense... Espiecally since I have never seen him get mafia in like 15 games with him... lynch ff for sanity Hmm, I had the opposite reaction. Why would he be afraid of being outed as a smurf? Ok so ff has a very high perecentage of rolling town. Town is like 80% of the players. Why would he make a smurf when hes only getting mafia like 23% of the time or whatever. Especially when he historically never gets mafia anyway.. lol.. Hmm? You might have a point here, especially revealing so early before he could even see the affects of smurfing. FF tends to play fairly lazily the first few days and picks it up later. Maybe he rolled mafia and was worried people would push him early on? Course all of this is assuming it's actually FF and not someone trying to mind game us early... that's pretty tinfoily though and would be a pretty silly play. Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now. Seems to me like this post from Sn0 is even more wordy, and goes absolutely nowhere besides saying he's ok waiting to see if Marv does some work. But then later suggests he's unsure about his ability to read Marv On November 26 2015 04:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
I detest ur "its obvious enough on its own when i'm maf" defense marv I've lost to ur maf play Nowhere in his filter do I see a real from Sn0, just a few suggestions that he's willing to lynch people, but only to "develop reads" i have 0 history with this man its super weird and only a mafia would think like that when I think about it. only mafia wants to avoid fights and confrontations no real good town thinks like that Town read at 10:08pm + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2015 22:08 sicklucker wrote:
well im sure ticktock is confirmed town considering how many votes he has already in the most slow and boreing game of all time. people seem to just want to put there vote somewhere and I doubt all of them are town Meh... I don't know, I can't take a townread out of that although I understand what you say... Argh... It still feels to me that he only went to the voting thread, saw tictock was really the main wagon and came back with that theory. 20 minutes is enough for a mafia to have that thought process. He was scumreading FF and Sn0 before that. Anyway, again, that will only work if Tictock is in fact mafia. I'll save this discussion for when his flip happens.
no it has nothing to do with ticktocks alignment...
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What does you getting lynched as a smurf have to do with my alignment?
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if your smurfing you get lynched more then if your ff that is a fact
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In that circumstance it is also the correct town play to not smurf...
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but ff only gets town so hes smurfing for town reasons so that point is mute
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and not true at all sometimes being attacked and psuhed lets you see the game better. I love it as town
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On November 28 2015 05:35 sicklucker wrote:
but ff only gets town so hes smurfing for town reasons so that point is mute
You actually think this makes sense don't you?
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The Lone Voters:
Onegu: Useless. Drops an unexplained vote on Koshi quoting a post from Sn0 suggesting lynching Koshi. Multiple promises to do stuff, no follow through what-so-ever.
@ Onegu What stands out to you about EoD? Give us some reads man! Who are your top 3 Town/scum atm? (3 town, 3 scum)
ObviuseOne: Honestly I like a lot of what I see in OO's filter. He starts off the game with a lot of interaction and pushing some stuff. Some of his posts are fairly fluff, like this reaction to GB's reads + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2015 12:23 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2015 11:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Cool, some weak early reads:
Koshi looks townie for his tone. Especially when he makes the post of the town pyramid and the following one.
Chrom looks townie for thinking critically about the game.
SL looks scummy for this hard push on FF on a matter that isn't really alignment indicative.
Tictock looks scummy for commenting that SL may have a point but concluding that FF's thing isn't alignment indicative. If SL does have a point then it is alignment indicative. If it isn't alignment indicative, SL doesn't have a point. Therefore you just look you're posting to look contributive while actually being fluffy and pushing the matter nowhere koshi just being koshi but good on you for tone read stuff sounds really generous towards chrom but i thought we were still fucking around mb you are right agree on sl only negative vibe i have about ticktock so far is the helpful townie post "i'm here to help" or whatever it was, your point by itself isn't necessarily hard evidence given how little has gone down so far
Then there was the big post, where he talks about how inactive most of the game is, that a couple of people broke down and pointed out was a lot of fluff. However rather than post that large wall of text, vote off any wagon, and then peace out OO hung around and responded to FF and my questions before heading out for the rest of the day.
Kinda null, but leaning town.
ANickleDrink: So for a guy talking about how he wants to be more active this game, FF's EoD was pretty lackluster.
He did come back to the game rather late (about an hr before deadline) so I suppose he was probably scrambling to catch up and figure out where to put his vote. His filter supports this.
I also liked FF's pushing on Sn0 and rather agree with his thinking.
Staying in the townpile.
+ Show Spoiler [Tinfoil thoughts] +It is somewhat interesting how FF never really puts much effort into reading either myself or Vivax. He pretty much avoided talking about the leading wagons entirely and sheeped Koshi on Chrom.
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On November 28 2015 05:11 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2015 00:05 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, that list disregard any association since I need a flip first. then how is marv number one? ;p if you think tt is mafia you know he just saved him right?
This is a really good point actually.
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On November 28 2015 05:11 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2015 00:05 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, that list disregard any association since I need a flip first. then how is marv number one? ;p if you think tt is mafia you know he just saved him right?
That's exactly why marv is number one. I'm disregarding any unflipped association.
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On November 28 2015 04:51 Tictock wrote:
GB man, I don't even know what to say to you.
Your so tunneled on me that your setting up associations for if I flip mafia.
Can you explain your townread on Sn0?
Sn0 voted you with me. He could've just piled on Vivax. Instead he followed his play.
It's a weak townread tho, I must admit. Maybe he is just the highest null and not a town read
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On November 28 2015 05:15 sicklucker wrote:
gb theres so many reasons me and tt are not partners if either of us are even mafia
Name them.
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On November 28 2015 05:31 sicklucker wrote:
if your smurfing you get lynched more then if your ff that is a fact
This is not a fact, I was scum when I smurfed as FreezingFoot and was never lynched. Instead I was actually universally townread
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On November 28 2015 05:53 ANickelDrink wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2015 05:35 sicklucker wrote:
but ff only gets town so hes smurfing for town reasons so that point is mute You actually think this makes sense don't you?
It has no logic behind it, it's hilarious
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@TT(tinfoil) I still haven't read EoD from the last time I posted until I woke up and sheeped koshi.
Hey there's an idea
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On November 26 2015 20:14 Tictock wrote:
Also FF, I'm onto you
lol first post after I went to bed
elaborate
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On November 28 2015 04:06 Chromatically wrote:Just to expand on OO: Show nested quote +On November 26 2015 19:17 ObviousOne wrote:
this feels like the slowest day 1 I've been a part of on this site in ages, if not ever. not for lack of posts but for lack of substance. i thought the wordy derpy phase we had at the start was indicative of a bunch of people who wanted to talk but that doesn't seem to be the case. this has led to an environment where the mafia don't have to post at all to blend in, because so few topics have been discussed. i know obviously i'm a part of this particular problem, but it's also become something of a systemic issue.
koshi who is arguably one of the greater forces in this game has it in his head that people will run his errands, which is fine as a character but is kind of silly to expect anyone to jump however high it is he expects. his effort to assert dominance can have subtle effects on the game. a sort of bystander effect where everyone who wants the same information might end up waiting for another person to do it, therefore nobody does it, and nothing is accomplished. the paradigm that comes along with setting himself up as the tip of the power pyramid which may or may no be in jest, i've played with koshi before and he's had a similar attitude about things. nobody wants or needs to challenge him so the whole thing is hollow anyway. like i said before, plenty of room in the shadows with the rest of us.
the issue with having marv in game is that everyone expects godly-play town or shitty-play mafia, when it's probably a bit of both that he's aiming for. posting less when town and slightly more than he feels comfortable with as mafia is how he gets to balance his play so he's not immediately outed when he's mafia. no idea what his alignment is and really nobody should care what he does until he, you know, does something. more useless conversation around this topic. Read this rant, and then look through OO's filter, especially after he makes this post, and see how inconsistent it is. This really feels like OO faking emotion to make it seem like he cares about the game. I don't think anyone so obviously uninvested in this game supposedly cares so much about it. Show nested quote +On November 26 2015 11:26 ObviousOne wrote:
brace yourselves
thanksgiving is coming
i guess that's why i got the mail reminding me to vote. anyone looking for sheeple? Show nested quote +On November 26 2015 19:17 ObviousOne wrote:
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i have preconceptions about vivax that lead me to believe he is capable of much more but is phoning it in this game. i had the same feeling before in student mafia xv and he was town there, so it might be melding the town and mafia sides of his play or that might just be i need to lower my expectations considerably. the difference between marv and vivax is that i don't have any personal heuristics on how to read vivax whatsoever. fuck, in that student game he pretty much blew off all my questions and i was kinda miffed about the whole thing.
tictock still in my talent pool for today's lynch but not feeling it as strongly as others are, haven't really reviewed his recent posts but he's out of the top of the list for now
sn0 could be added to it i think, but that's a reflection of my thoughts regarding how things seem to usually go down when marv is in a game. i sort of like the idea he had to avoid starting a conflict with SL in favor of seeing tictock's response to his wagon. ugh but the smurf stuff and the marv stuff. icky mess.
boxer situation is hilarious but not gonna take him off my candidate list for today.
fefe hasn't hit his stride yet or is mafia, don't know which.
as for scott, for some reason i have it in my mind that he just rarely actually participates (at least in games we're been in together, pretty sure he's been modkilled in one of them), and that's been when he was town. so i can't judge him based on his participation / engagement. can reflect on him if we find out for sure tictock's or maybe even GB's alignment.
feeling less good about SL but there seems to be the feeling of progression in his filter and i owe him a HJ for saving my life last game.
honestly i should just delete this instead of posting it but whatever
strongest to weakest feels regarding likelihood of mafianess
{boxer onegu} strongerest
{sn0 SL fefe} less stronk
{tictock scott vivax} middling
{everyone else}
oh look a pyramid scheme koshi wouldn't want to be at the top of, lel
i'm not locked into this vote but i better vote so i don't get rekt
between onegu and boxer i'm gonna go with the 'gu bc boxer made a funny
#vote: onegu I could just be reading into this too much, but I thought it was really weird how he comes back to the thread with a nonchalant attitude, asking people who he should sheep. Then, in the next post is a giant list with a bunch of back-and-forth reads, ending with a vote on Onegu (?). Those are two different mindsets ("hey I'll sheep someone" vs "look at me I'm trying"), which I think makes more sense from mafia who wanted to act like they were contributing but forgot that it was inconsistent with their attitude. (you can ignore this if you think it's stretching, it was just something I felt) I think this is the most important point:He votes Onegu out of nowhere and then peaces out for a while. Then, when he comes back and it's clear that Onegu isn't happening (the votes were 4 Vivax - 2 TicTock, no one talking about Onegu), he doesn't consolidate or take a stance on the lynch at all like he claimed he would in the above post. Actually, he never actually takes a stance on the lynch of Vivax vs TicTock, even when it's really clear that those are the wagons. This shows him being really disconnected from the thread, just popping in to make a "contribution" when needed. Other stuff: He's very interested in posting whenever people express suspicion of him (happens both with me and with FF). I don't think the points I had against him earlier were weak either (jumped on the rolehunting comment and had a bad explanation for it, overreacted to suspicion).
Chrome, I agree with most of things you say about OO.
If I lynch him would you give me my lynch?
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On November 26 2015 23:51 sicklucker wrote:
WELL HEY MARV IM GOING AFK FOR THE ENTIRE DAY IN LIKE 3 MINUTES AGO. I DONT CARE WHO DIES EXCEPT I DONT RLY WANT IT TO BE TICKTOCK BECAUSE . Who do i vote?
lol
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