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Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
November 27 2015 18:32 GMT
#961
Maaaaaaaaaaybe the read switch was too scummy to be scum, but I think that's the kind of thing you look at later when we're trying to find the third mafia (and he looks like he really cares about the game).

On November 28 2015 03:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 03:25 Chromatically wrote:
I don't get it on TT. The one post was bad, and I guess he did disappear for a little (not a unique trait to him), but I liked his contributions and they didn't seem fake to me.

Why not OO? He's like the definition of "sounding contributive without actually being contributive".


Because I want my lynch and TT isn't any better than OO. IMHO.

Fair enough to the bolded, lol.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 27 2015 18:39 GMT
#962
On November 28 2015 03:25 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 03:13 Chromatically wrote:
See GB I understand your frustration on Koshi's weird reads (believe me lol), but his lynch play is really bold if he's mafia. He was pushing against the Vivax lynch really hard (which doesn't make a lot of sense if mafia with TT) and as mafia I think he would be way more self-conscious over doing a 180 and voting with his scumread.


I think he might be pulling the too scum to be scum. Really. It's totally in the realm of possibilities.

I was dropping it until he came back and start DEFENDING Tictock and calling ME mafia. OMFG like I didn't need more fuel.

BTW, Koshi, why's marv town?

Try to read my posts.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 27 2015 18:40 GMT
#963
And look it up in my filter.
I had a good night of sleep.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 27 2015 18:41 GMT
#964
Do it again please, I'm tired of reading stuff.

or just requote it
I'm adorable.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 27 2015 18:49 GMT
#965
No. ty.
I had a good night of sleep.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
November 27 2015 19:06 GMT
#966
Just to expand on OO:

On November 26 2015 19:17 ObviousOne wrote:
this feels like the slowest day 1 I've been a part of on this site in ages, if not ever. not for lack of posts but for lack of substance. i thought the wordy derpy phase we had at the start was indicative of a bunch of people who wanted to talk but that doesn't seem to be the case. this has led to an environment where the mafia don't have to post at all to blend in, because so few topics have been discussed. i know obviously i'm a part of this particular problem, but it's also become something of a systemic issue.

koshi who is arguably one of the greater forces in this game has it in his head that people will run his errands, which is fine as a character but is kind of silly to expect anyone to jump however high it is he expects. his effort to assert dominance can have subtle effects on the game. a sort of bystander effect where everyone who wants the same information might end up waiting for another person to do it, therefore nobody does it, and nothing is accomplished. the paradigm that comes along with setting himself up as the tip of the power pyramid which may or may no be in jest, i've played with koshi before and he's had a similar attitude about things. nobody wants or needs to challenge him so the whole thing is hollow anyway. like i said before, plenty of room in the shadows with the rest of us.

the issue with having marv in game is that everyone expects godly-play town or shitty-play mafia, when it's probably a bit of both that he's aiming for. posting less when town and slightly more than he feels comfortable with as mafia is how he gets to balance his play so he's not immediately outed when he's mafia. no idea what his alignment is and really nobody should care what he does until he, you know, does something. more useless conversation around this topic.

Read this rant, and then look through OO's filter, especially after he makes this post, and see how inconsistent it is. This really feels like OO faking emotion to make it seem like he cares about the game. I don't think anyone so obviously uninvested in this game supposedly cares so much about it.

On November 26 2015 11:26 ObviousOne wrote:
brace yourselves

thanksgiving is coming

i guess that's why i got the mail reminding me to vote. anyone looking for sheeple?

On November 26 2015 19:17 ObviousOne wrote:
...

i have preconceptions about vivax that lead me to believe he is capable of much more but is phoning it in this game. i had the same feeling before in student mafia xv and he was town there, so it might be melding the town and mafia sides of his play or that might just be i need to lower my expectations considerably. the difference between marv and vivax is that i don't have any personal heuristics on how to read vivax whatsoever. fuck, in that student game he pretty much blew off all my questions and i was kinda miffed about the whole thing.

tictock still in my talent pool for today's lynch but not feeling it as strongly as others are, haven't really reviewed his recent posts but he's out of the top of the list for now

sn0 could be added to it i think, but that's a reflection of my thoughts regarding how things seem to usually go down when marv is in a game. i sort of like the idea he had to avoid starting a conflict with SL in favor of seeing tictock's response to his wagon. ugh but the smurf stuff and the marv stuff. icky mess.

boxer situation is hilarious but not gonna take him off my candidate list for today.

fefe hasn't hit his stride yet or is mafia, don't know which.

as for scott, for some reason i have it in my mind that he just rarely actually participates (at least in games we're been in together, pretty sure he's been modkilled in one of them), and that's been when he was town. so i can't judge him based on his participation / engagement. can reflect on him if we find out for sure tictock's or maybe even GB's alignment.

feeling less good about SL but there seems to be the feeling of progression in his filter and i owe him a HJ for saving my life last game.

honestly i should just delete this instead of posting it but whatever

strongest to weakest feels regarding likelihood of mafianess
{boxer onegu} strongerest
{sn0 SL fefe} less stronk
{tictock scott vivax} middling
{everyone else}

oh look a pyramid scheme koshi wouldn't want to be at the top of, lel

i'm not locked into this vote but i better vote so i don't get rekt
between onegu and boxer i'm gonna go with the 'gu bc boxer made a funny

#vote: onegu

I could just be reading into this too much, but I thought it was really weird how he comes back to the thread with a nonchalant attitude, asking people who he should sheep. Then, in the next post is a giant list with a bunch of back-and-forth reads, ending with a vote on Onegu (?). Those are two different mindsets ("hey I'll sheep someone" vs "look at me I'm trying"), which I think makes more sense from mafia who wanted to act like they were contributing but forgot that it was inconsistent with their attitude. (you can ignore this if you think it's stretching, it was just something I felt)


I think this is the most important point:
He votes Onegu out of nowhere and then peaces out for a while. Then, when he comes back and it's clear that Onegu isn't happening (the votes were 4 Vivax - 2 TicTock, no one talking about Onegu), he doesn't consolidate or take a stance on the lynch at all like he claimed he would in the above post. Actually, he never actually takes a stance on the lynch of Vivax vs TicTock, even when it's really clear that those are the wagons. This shows him being really disconnected from the thread, just popping in to make a "contribution" when needed.

Other stuff:
He's very interested in posting whenever people express suspicion of him (happens both with me and with FF).

I don't think the points I had against him earlier were weak either (jumped on the rolehunting comment and had a bad explanation for it, overreacted to suspicion).
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
November 27 2015 19:32 GMT
#967
Don't really want to do a big thing on Sn0 right now but I'll say that he's kind of just floating by. He comes in and posts/comments on things, but never takes a stance on anything or draws conclusions from what he's doing. There's a lot of asking people questions, but never taking anything from those questions.

On November 27 2015 04:06 Sn0_Man wrote:
It's an interesting point that like 75% of chromatically's filter is blasting everything OO says but he doesn't really try to get anybody to vote for OO at all, he's just trying to justify his safe little vote.

Even when moving to vivax he keeps blasting OO without any attempt to actually get him lynched

Like he'll post stuff like this (implying that he thinks I'm mafia), but never mentions me or this read again.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
November 27 2015 19:34 GMT
#968
On November 28 2015 03:49 Koshi wrote:
No. ty.


If you're town and we lose I'll blame you.
I'm adorable.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 27 2015 19:34 GMT
#969
im around n reading but its night n stuff

that post was of course when koshi was discussing u and i was putting in my thoughts. there was never a point where a lynch on u was viable and even had their been I preferred the tictock lynch at that point.
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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 27 2015 19:44 GMT
#970
IF I was maf it would have been easy as fuck to declare I had a scum read on Vivax or even just sheep someone else's case on him and vote for him and not be in this situation at all, but from my list of potential day one lynches vivax was two levels below my preferred lynches and I already said I don't have the first clue on how to read him. why would I bother to either point out I have no idea how to read him if there was a chance he could be lynched that I could have some credibility to join if i had not said that? town lynches that are easy to jump on or to be "convinced" of joining are my jam if i'm mafia.

nor would i vote for ticktock on a day one in this game either based on his recovery before going to bed two nights ago, but i still haven't given the game a proper re-read to see if he's someone that deserves to be up for a day two lynch or not, that's something I'll look into later.

so with the information i had to wit and the list of people i would be willing to lynch how could i possibly vote for either of them if i had zero confidence in one of them being mafia? in my mind onegu was a better candidate because it's possible there might never be anything there to read until it's too late to deal with it.

finally, calling my reactions overreactions is subjective compared to other people and if you want to see how they are not overreactions you'll want to look at maybe one or two of my previous town games and how i react to suspicion, since i can't necessarily trust anyone here to factually report on that, nor would i expect anyone to defend me at this stage considering how well i always fit in a mafia line up all the time.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
November 27 2015 19:51 GMT
#971
On November 28 2015 04:34 Sn0_Man wrote:
im around n reading but its night n stuff

that post was of course when koshi was discussing u and i was putting in my thoughts. there was never a point where a lynch on u was viable and even had their been I preferred the tictock lynch at that point.

Okay, fair enough on that specifically. It's more of the general point that there's a lot of commenting on things without following through or taking stances.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 27 2015 19:51 GMT
#972
GB man, I don't even know what to say to you.

Your so tunneled on me that your setting up associations for if I flip mafia.

Can you explain your townread on Sn0?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 27 2015 20:03 GMT
#973
Ok so people I want to look into a little before Daypost.

Lone Voters:
Onegu
OO
ANickleDrink
(Sl gets a pass, kus I'm sucking up to him)

Sheeple:
BF
Scott
Sn0

Koshi and GB both had EoD posting that I want to look into more, but given that they are both have been quite active I'm probably gunna leave them till Dayphase.

Just to be clear I'm townreading Koshi still, GB is a tough read for me this game. FF's smurf is in an odd spot, I had a decently strong townread on him but a couple of small things make me want to take another look. Everyone else I listed here is Null or worse.
I can take that responsibility.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
November 27 2015 20:07 GMT
#974
On November 28 2015 04:44 ObviousOne wrote:
IF I was maf it would have been easy as fuck to declare I had a scum read on Vivax or even just sheep someone else's case on him and vote for him and not be in this situation at all, but from my list of potential day one lynches vivax was two levels below my preferred lynches and I already said I don't have the first clue on how to read him. why would I bother to either point out I have no idea how to read him if there was a chance he could be lynched that I could have some credibility to join if i had not said that? town lynches that are easy to jump on or to be "convinced" of joining are my jam if i'm mafia.

nor would i vote for ticktock on a day one in this game either based on his recovery before going to bed two nights ago, but i still haven't given the game a proper re-read to see if he's someone that deserves to be up for a day two lynch or not, that's something I'll look into later.

so with the information i had to wit and the list of people i would be willing to lynch how could i possibly vote for either of them if i had zero confidence in one of them being mafia? in my mind onegu was a better candidate because it's possible there might never be anything there to read until it's too late to deal with it.

finally, calling my reactions overreactions is subjective compared to other people and if you want to see how they are not overreactions you'll want to look at maybe one or two of my previous town games and how i react to suspicion, since i can't necessarily trust anyone here to factually report on that, nor would i expect anyone to defend me at this stage considering how well i always fit in a mafia line up all the time.

You can't argue that it was correct for you to vote Onegu there as town. You're an experienced player, so you know that voting on-wagon is always correct (especially since it didn't seem like you had strong opinions on either of them).

It's true that you could have picked a wagon to sheep, but you just as easily could have not cared about the lynch and wasted your vote somewhere else.

Trying not to do meta after last game, but maybe the overreaction thing is subjective.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 27 2015 20:09 GMT
#975
On November 27 2015 23:55 marvellosity wrote:
+ every time you're town you are way more inclined to interact with marv, making him read your scumreads or at least bouncing some ideas, and I also don't see you doing it here.

that's not really true.

i have long and varied memories of being ignored by sl :p


i mean you the kind of player that will show his alignment fairly easy in 1 or 2 day cycles no offense. I dont see much need to ask you questions ;p
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 27 2015 20:11 GMT
#976
On November 28 2015 00:05 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, that list disregard any association since I need a flip first.


then how is marv number one? ;p if you think tt is mafia you know he just saved him right?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 27 2015 20:13 GMT
#977
On November 28 2015 00:18 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 00:16 sicklucker wrote:
marv i already explained my suspicions. Its part gut feel and part meta since he always puts shit on me as mafia

i was after, in particular, his actions around deadline, which is what you said

as he was the player most interested in the lynch, by far. even including me

and it's not like he was interested to push it off a mafia vivax, he just cared about the lynch

so i wanna know what you mean by that


he was active at deadline I acualy forget I usually just have reasons and forget them. I was suggesting these were town points btw
ANickelDrink
Profile Joined November 2015
140 Posts
November 27 2015 20:14 GMT
#978
Man if I had a gun sn0 would be blasted tonight
Worth a dime
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 27 2015 20:14 GMT
#979
On November 28 2015 01:07 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 00:50 marvellosity wrote:
i think it's a natural and townie way of thinking

anyone can do anything.

sure he can do it as mafia, but i do find the town suggestion much more plausible


I strongly disagree this time, especially if I consider that TT is Mafia. I've done it before: a scum partner was up for the lynch for a long time and I was trying to push someone else. When I realised that wasn't working, I've pulled this card out. I don't remember if it worked, tho. I don't even remember the game. But I remember it happened.

If Tictock is Mafia then it makes perfect sense that SL tried to distance himself from TT by having weak suspicions on him. When the wagon got real, keep on pushing FF or even Sn0 was a good choice. When none of this works, all he had to do was pulling that card.

This actually reinforces my two scum reads who originally had no association. feels good


you changed your reads in 3 minutes to suit your needs?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 27 2015 20:15 GMT
#980
gb theres so many reasons me and tt are not partners if either of us are even mafia
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