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Spies do not get a QT (/ are not allowed to interact outside the thread), right?
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Excellent player base :D /confirm
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I'm "Merlin"? Whatever that means.
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Also last on the leader list is a bunch of shit. I'll expect everyone to call me "ultimate leader". As that is what I am. Quite literally.
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Also the leader of the first team to produce a fail will be called mafia the entire the game.
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Next person to vote gets a free townread?
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I'm going to go to sleep early. Window on free town-read closing.
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I instantly retract my townread.
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You have played Avalon/Resistance before. -> "I'm glad I'm not scum bc those guyz no QT" -> That's literally how the game of avalon/resistance works/is balanced.
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So it's in no way a "nightmare" for "them". Which you should know, since you have played the game before.
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What does that have to do with anything though?
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Yes.
I'm also probably going to call you mafia for quite a long time. I have no idea what the point of your story just was. Felt needlessly defensive/explanatory.
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Do you really think this game is a nightmare for scum?
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So now that we've correctly concluded that you don't believe it is a "nightmare" for scum. Why did you open with that?
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Yes. It is.
I still don't like your opening post because it seems overly distancing. If you know what I mean. I really still don't like it at all. Hope you bring some good logic to the table for the rest of the day.
No clue where the rest is. About to go to sleep myself. Just finished the most retarded challenge on binding of isaac (brains challenge, fuck that shit).
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Nothing more on the topic really. It's a dead-end at this point. Have to see how you interact with others/rest of day to fully make up my mind.
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It's a mild scum-read, for now.
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Xat&rest- Xat's initial post set me off. Saying something like "this is a nightmare for scum" has two results (from writer POV):
1. It distances you from "scum".
2. It downplays scum.
1. Is NAI. 2 is super weird from a town perspective, and leans me more towards mafia. I feel like if you were town and believed this you would've focused on the strength of town, rather than the weakness of mafia, and as a result, would've said something along the lines of "mafia gonna get #rekt #noqt" (or something less trolly). Regardless I feel like commenting on how "weak" mafia is is mafia indicative as it sets up for a lax game.
Now I already had a very real suspicion that you knew that this set up is not a "nightmare" for scum, as you have played resistance(/avalon) before (noted by you correctly associating my merlin comment with avalon). So that double begs the question why you felt the need to point out that mafia was "weak".
I also understand that there is no resolving this situation regardless of your alignment. We can't talk this shit out- since it my suspicion and your possibly-innocent post. I am going, however, going to be suspicious of you. Unfairly? Maybe. But we'll see how your day plays out. So far I don't really like how you've been soft-pushing my push on you. But that may be biased of me.
On the topic of rayn&rels:
I loved rayn's initial post of calling me town, this is exactly the type of opening I would expect out of town-rayn. I would love to hear some more depth behind his meta-read on Xat. But so far rayn is leaning town.
Rels I don't know about. Feels weird that he is literally postponing a read (and not evaluating him at all) on Xat until d3 or whatever (This is something I have done as scum before). The fact that he is also comfortable evaluating people (me, and partially rayn- although I understand rayn) based on interactions with xat feels scummy.
In fact, re-reading the order in which this happens makes me like him less and less. He starts off by going fairly aggressive against my side of the (now infamous) Xat/Super debacle, without giving an opinion on Xat. The fact that I'm nitpicking (your words) against Xat should be NAI, unless you have a town-read on Xat (which you don't). This is highlighted by the fact that if Xat were mafia in this instance, this type of pressure could make me look town, but since you shouldn't know Xat's alignment, you also shouldn't be able to voice a proper opinion on this. You then LATER say that Xat's alignment will become obvious later during the game (also scummy-esque).
So, Rels probably has TMI, and should never be included in any team.
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Oh yeah, I also kind of didn't like Kita's big 2nd post- felt kind of forced. But not even near sure yet.
I usually start off with lots of big town-reads, not sure where the rest of town is this game lol.
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On November 02 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia FYI Xatalos has not played forum Resistance.
...That makes me slightly more suspicious rofl. But whatever, I have concluded that you are likely town, and that Xat may be town too. Partially due to me trusting your read a little, and partially because of how he's mentally (i.e. logically) handling my push.
Actually Xat was town in the vanilla mafia game too right? The one in which he died n3 or whatever (I've half-followed it)? And where they lynched scum on d3 only? If so that gives him some town-points this game so far.
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HtS needs to be here soon and be transparent with the selection of team-members.
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On November 02 2015 20:55 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 20:52 Superbia wrote:On November 02 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia FYI Xatalos has not played forum Resistance. ...That makes me slightly more suspicious rofl. But whatever, I have concluded that you are likely town, and that Xat may be town too. Partially due to me trusting your read a little, and partially because of how he's mentally (i.e. logically) handling my push. Actually Xat was town in the vanilla mafia game too right? The one in which he died n3 or whatever (I've half-followed it)? And where they lynched scum on d3 only? If so that gives him some town-points this game so far. Yeah I was town and got shot eventually. Why does that make me townie?
Your posting style and activity level seems similar to that game. Mind you that I've read/skimmed maybe 7-8 pages, so I'm not confident enough to give you a lot of townie-points.
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What do you think of my point on Rels, rayn?
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Okay. I'm here. Gonna read through some stuff, play some isaac. Expect some comments later. Probably before deadline. Haven't made my mind up on team yet. First glance seems HtS is leaning town. Yet team feels iffy. Idk yet.
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Rels have you even read my post explain the whole Xat thing? Every single point you're bringing up (as far as I'm reading - p16) seems to be your own weird interpretation on things and I am really disliking it.
This post in particular is incredibly loaded with your own interpretation, and it really feels like you're driving an agenda here (i.e. to scum-push me):
On November 02 2015 22:34 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 20:52 Superbia wrote:On November 02 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia FYI Xatalos has not played forum Resistance. ...That makes me slightly more suspicious rofl. But whatever, I have concluded that you are likely town, and that Xat may be town too. Partially due to me trusting your read a little, and partially because of how he's mentally (i.e. logically) handling my push. Actually Xat was town in the vanilla mafia game too right? The one in which he died n3 or whatever (I've half-followed it)? And where they lynched scum on d3 only? If so that gives him some town-points this game so far. I find this super convenient. Superbia started by scumreading Xata for the nightmare thing, which is understandable. Then there was the "is it still nightmarish ?" "kinda" "now that you've said it's not nightmarish anymore ..." scumread which was super weird. And now that rayn thinks Xata is town for meta, suddenly Xata is town for Superbia too, and I have TMI on him.
Let's break this apart into two pieces:
1. My secondary post on the whole nightmare-ish part is putting into words what I had already expected to have been inside Xatalos' head- that he did not believe it is a "nightmare" for scum. I have explained this.
2. Your TMI has nothing to do with my read on Xatalos whatsoever. The blatant fucking fact is that you are evaluating me for interactions with Xatalos without giving a read on Xatalos. What if he's mafia? Does that change anything for your read on me?
Side note. You exclaim that me beginning to lean town on Xatalos is super convient. In what way? If I am scum, what am I achieving here? Keep in mind that you still have no read on Xatalos (right?). So in what way is me, calling a null for you, super convenient?
Rels, kindly answer the bolded questions and the following:
- Please explain, in detail, how what you perceived to be my push on Xatalos makes me mafia.
- How was my explanation on the matter inadequate? What did not make sense?
I think there was something else I wanted to ask but I forgot. Maybe I'll remember it later.
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ACtually I'm going to take a bath with gf now so brb.
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I won't have anytime today bc of my gf's birthday. I will vote yes on this team for reasons I will explain tomorrow.
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Half-here. Was general consensus no at EoD?
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So sad. Information baiting is important in resistance.
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We're not doing a 3-scum mission. That's shit.
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I'm not caught up at all and won't be for now. I have approx 15m before sleepytimes.
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That being said, sicklucker, what are your thoughts this game?
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On November 04 2015 08:58 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I'm not caught up at all and won't be for now. I have approx 15m before sleepytimes. Do you plan to be caught up tomorrow? Its really been a while now since you've given your thoughts.
Probably. It's actually turned out to be a stupidly busy week, since I'll be gone most of Thursday as well. So make that yes. But it will be mostly skimming.
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People should put down why they voted the way they did. Everyone.
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All right. Listen. You do not genuinely discuss your vote before you vote, you do so after. Mafia does not have a QT, they cannot communicate. Part of the game- and part of the play as town- is to keep mafia in the dark as to what the voting is going to be. There are voting trends that can be gained and analyzed if this is kept as it is. I was hoping people would do this.
So please, next time, do not do this. Discuss who you think is mafia during all phases. We discuss our votes after voting is revealed.
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Like I understand that pressuring me to read the thread is superobvious from either alignment, but I've had a long day and a long week ahead of me, so no. I'm not going to read shit right now. I also don't want people to hide behind walls of posts and filters. Everyone can keep it short and simple: why did you vote?
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So please, just make my job easier. I'll see what comes up tomorrow. 5 more minutes for any questions or whatever.
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On November 04 2015 09:11 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 09:09 Superbia wrote:
All right. Listen. You do not genuinely discuss your vote before you vote, you do so after. Mafia does not have a QT, they cannot communicate. Part of the game- and part of the play as town- is to keep mafia in the dark as to what the voting is going to be. There are voting trends that can be gained and analyzed if this is kept as it is. I was hoping people would do this.
So please, next time, do not do this. Discuss who you think is mafia during all phases. We discuss our votes after voting is revealed. Odd that you didn't bother to actually look. There is very little explanation for him voting pass on a rayn group.
... I don't really have any time or focus to read through filters right now. So yeah. If he didn't say anything about his vote pre-voteflip, excellent. Good.
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All right. I'm off for now.
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Kita read your own filter with me please. You make two posts on me basically pushing scum on me and then conclude I'm leaning town in your list post. How the fuck does this happen?
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Ugh. That answer does not satisfy me.
Rels- you are here. I am currently still incredibly stuck on your alignment as being mafia, so if you're town, you're going to have to walk me through your analysis of my alignment.
On November 02 2015 23:16 Rels wrote:OK this tire me so let's lay out what happened. Timeline. 1. Superbia scumreads Xata for saying "playing scum is a nightmare".Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:20 Superbia wrote:
So it's in no way a "nightmare" for "them". Which you should know, since you have played the game before. 2. Superbia asks Xata if he really thinks it's a nightmare, Xata kinda confirms.Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:32 Superbia wrote:
Do you really think this game is a nightmare for scum? Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:35 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, I think it should be somewhat anti-scum. In the way that IRL Resistance is pretty balanced, but here it's much easier for town to communicate properly than IRL, whereas the scumteam can't communicate at all like usual in forum Mafia. 3. Superbia uses this to make Xatalos say something he didn't: that being scum isn't nightmarishShow nested quote +On November 02 2015 08:39 Superbia wrote:
So now that we've correctly concluded that you don't believe it is a "nightmare" for scum. Why did you open with that? ConclusionThat is the problem with Superbia's early play; twisting Xatalos' words to something he didn't mean. Now he turned that read around to townread Xatalos, and rayn is claiming it's not suspicous, which might be right. But this word-twisting stuff is scum indicative.
You are so incredibly stuck on me "twisting" Xatalos' words in the beginning of the day- and that it is scum-indicative. However, you evaluate my word twisty-ness from a position in which I would have to be scum and Xat would have to be town (this is why I've been calling TMI on you), while you had no read on Xat. Moreover, that entire scum-read could've been put in the garbage as soon as I started flipping on Xatalos.
This answer:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2015 06:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 06:30 Superbia wrote:Rels have you even read my post explain the whole Xat thing? Every single point you're bringing up (as far as I'm reading - p16) seems to be your own weird interpretation on things and I am really disliking it. This post in particular is incredibly loaded with your own interpretation, and it really feels like you're driving an agenda here (i.e. to scum-push me): On November 02 2015 22:34 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 20:52 Superbia wrote:On November 02 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia FYI Xatalos has not played forum Resistance. ...That makes me slightly more suspicious rofl. But whatever, I have concluded that you are likely town, and that Xat may be town too. Partially due to me trusting your read a little, and partially because of how he's mentally (i.e. logically) handling my push. Actually Xat was town in the vanilla mafia game too right? The one in which he died n3 or whatever (I've half-followed it)? And where they lynched scum on d3 only? If so that gives him some town-points this game so far. I find this super convenient. Superbia started by scumreading Xata for the nightmare thing, which is understandable. Then there was the "is it still nightmarish ?" "kinda" "now that you've said it's not nightmarish anymore ..." scumread which was super weird. And now that rayn thinks Xata is town for meta, suddenly Xata is town for Superbia too, and I have TMI on him. Let's break this apart into two pieces: 1. My secondary post on the whole nightmare-ish part is putting into words what I had already expected to have been inside Xatalos' head- that he did not believe it is a "nightmare" for scum. I have explained this. 2. Your TMI has nothing to do with my read on Xatalos whatsoever. The blatant fucking fact is that you are evaluating me for interactions with Xatalos without giving a read on Xatalos. What if he's mafia? Does that change anything for your read on me?Side note. You exclaim that me beginning to lean town on Xatalos is super convient. In what way? If I am scum, what am I achieving here? Keep in mind that you still have no read on Xatalos (right?). So in what way is me, calling a null for you, super convenient?Rels, kindly answer the bolded questions and the following: - Please explain, in detail, how what you perceived to be my push on Xatalos makes me mafia. - How was my explanation on the matter inadequate? What did not make sense? I think there was something else I wanted to ask but I forgot. Maybe I'll remember it later. I've already discarded the "you town read on Xatalos is convenient" stuff, it wasn't scum indicative. Your read on Xatalos is weird because it is not based on logic. Xatalos is saying it's kinda nightmarish to be scum => you say he said the inverse. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective. It makes sense from a scum perspective that decided to scumread Xatalos, and is twisting things to keep it.
Does not give me anything. It's a cheap and easy way to look at things, and ignore my perfectly good explanation. In fact, you ignore a number of my questions- ones that I still want answered. Pushing town as mafia is something you do- I've seen it done in the previous game we were in. The fact that you are so adamant with such hollow argument irks me so much, especially knowing my own alignment.
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Artanis may be town if his self-proclaimed meta (lots of games back where he mis-lynched me) of "fluid reads" is correct.
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On November 05 2015 00:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 00:27 Superbia wrote:Ugh. That answer does not satisfy me. Rels- you are here. I am currently still incredibly stuck on your alignment as being mafia, so if you're town, you're going to have to walk me through your analysis of my alignment. On November 02 2015 23:16 Rels wrote:OK this tire me so let's lay out what happened. Timeline. 1. Superbia scumreads Xata for saying "playing scum is a nightmare".On November 02 2015 08:18 Superbia wrote:
I instantly retract my townread. On November 02 2015 08:20 Superbia wrote:
So it's in no way a "nightmare" for "them". Which you should know, since you have played the game before. 2. Superbia asks Xata if he really thinks it's a nightmare, Xata kinda confirms.On November 02 2015 08:32 Superbia wrote:
Do you really think this game is a nightmare for scum? On November 02 2015 08:35 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, I think it should be somewhat anti-scum. In the way that IRL Resistance is pretty balanced, but here it's much easier for town to communicate properly than IRL, whereas the scumteam can't communicate at all like usual in forum Mafia. 3. Superbia uses this to make Xatalos say something he didn't: that being scum isn't nightmarishOn November 02 2015 08:39 Superbia wrote:
So now that we've correctly concluded that you don't believe it is a "nightmare" for scum. Why did you open with that? ConclusionThat is the problem with Superbia's early play; twisting Xatalos' words to something he didn't mean. Now he turned that read around to townread Xatalos, and rayn is claiming it's not suspicous, which might be right. But this word-twisting stuff is scum indicative. You are so incredibly stuck on me "twisting" Xatalos' words in the beginning of the day- and that it is scum-indicative. However, you evaluate my word twisty-ness from a position in which I would have to be scum and Xat would have to be town (this is why I've been calling TMI on you), while you had no read on Xat. Moreover, that entire scum-read could've been put in the garbage as soon as I started flipping on Xatalos. This answer: + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2015 06:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 06:30 Superbia wrote:Rels have you even read my post explain the whole Xat thing? Every single point you're bringing up (as far as I'm reading - p16) seems to be your own weird interpretation on things and I am really disliking it. This post in particular is incredibly loaded with your own interpretation, and it really feels like you're driving an agenda here (i.e. to scum-push me): On November 02 2015 22:34 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 20:52 Superbia wrote:On November 02 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia FYI Xatalos has not played forum Resistance. ...That makes me slightly more suspicious rofl. But whatever, I have concluded that you are likely town, and that Xat may be town too. Partially due to me trusting your read a little, and partially because of how he's mentally (i.e. logically) handling my push. Actually Xat was town in the vanilla mafia game too right? The one in which he died n3 or whatever (I've half-followed it)? And where they lynched scum on d3 only? If so that gives him some town-points this game so far. I find this super convenient. Superbia started by scumreading Xata for the nightmare thing, which is understandable. Then there was the "is it still nightmarish ?" "kinda" "now that you've said it's not nightmarish anymore ..." scumread which was super weird. And now that rayn thinks Xata is town for meta, suddenly Xata is town for Superbia too, and I have TMI on him. Let's break this apart into two pieces: 1. My secondary post on the whole nightmare-ish part is putting into words what I had already expected to have been inside Xatalos' head- that he did not believe it is a "nightmare" for scum. I have explained this. 2. Your TMI has nothing to do with my read on Xatalos whatsoever. The blatant fucking fact is that you are evaluating me for interactions with Xatalos without giving a read on Xatalos. What if he's mafia? Does that change anything for your read on me?Side note. You exclaim that me beginning to lean town on Xatalos is super convient. In what way? If I am scum, what am I achieving here? Keep in mind that you still have no read on Xatalos (right?). So in what way is me, calling a null for you, super convenient?Rels, kindly answer the bolded questions and the following: - Please explain, in detail, how what you perceived to be my push on Xatalos makes me mafia. - How was my explanation on the matter inadequate? What did not make sense? I think there was something else I wanted to ask but I forgot. Maybe I'll remember it later. I've already discarded the "you town read on Xatalos is convenient" stuff, it wasn't scum indicative. Your read on Xatalos is weird because it is not based on logic. Xatalos is saying it's kinda nightmarish to be scum => you say he said the inverse. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective. It makes sense from a scum perspective that decided to scumread Xatalos, and is twisting things to keep it. Does not give me anything. It's a cheap and easy way to look at things, and ignore my perfectly good explanation. In fact, you ignore a number of my questions- ones that I still want answered. Pushing town as mafia is something you do- I've seen it done in the previous game we were in. The fact that you are so adamant with such hollow argument irks me so much, especially knowing my own alignment. I have nothing to add to what I wrote above. You pushed Xatalos on something illogical, then you turned your read around. This is scum indicative and no amount of explanation will change that. Now that is not strong, so I'm waiting to see what you'll do.
Going to call you scum for the rest of the game probably. Unless something drastically changes.
The logic makes no sense.
Your push on me implies:
- Xat is town (likely at this point- not for you at that point in time)
- I am scum (nope).
- My agenda behind the push on Xat was to put scum on town-Xat as scum. Probably to divert attention.
Here's where the problems are:
- You have failed to address my explanation post, even though strong town players have backed up my reasoning (HtS and rayn, do you believe they are both scum?).
- I flipped on Xat rather quickly, which fucks over the agenda you proposed.
- You have never explained why it is scum-indicative, only in the case where Xat is strictly town, and I am strictly scum, which is back-wards reasoning. This indicates an agenda (i.e. pushing town-me).
And this is the most glaring one I just thought of:
- In your world, you have failed to argue that I (scum-Superbia) am now going after you (town-Rels). Even though you should 100% know your own alignment (and it should be town, right?), and it would completely support your initial assertion.
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And with strong town players, I meant when they are town, their logic is sound. It doesn't mean they are town in this game. I'm still a little scared of both of their scum-games (more scared of HtS' scum-game than rayn's), even though they are somewhere in my town circle.
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On November 05 2015 00:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 00:27 Superbia wrote:Ugh. That answer does not satisfy me. Rels- you are here. I am currently still incredibly stuck on your alignment as being mafia, so if you're town, you're going to have to walk me through your analysis of my alignment. On November 02 2015 23:16 Rels wrote:OK this tire me so let's lay out what happened. Timeline. 1. Superbia scumreads Xata for saying "playing scum is a nightmare".On November 02 2015 08:18 Superbia wrote:
I instantly retract my townread. On November 02 2015 08:20 Superbia wrote:
So it's in no way a "nightmare" for "them". Which you should know, since you have played the game before. 2. Superbia asks Xata if he really thinks it's a nightmare, Xata kinda confirms.On November 02 2015 08:32 Superbia wrote:
Do you really think this game is a nightmare for scum? On November 02 2015 08:35 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, I think it should be somewhat anti-scum. In the way that IRL Resistance is pretty balanced, but here it's much easier for town to communicate properly than IRL, whereas the scumteam can't communicate at all like usual in forum Mafia. 3. Superbia uses this to make Xatalos say something he didn't: that being scum isn't nightmarishOn November 02 2015 08:39 Superbia wrote:
So now that we've correctly concluded that you don't believe it is a "nightmare" for scum. Why did you open with that? ConclusionThat is the problem with Superbia's early play; twisting Xatalos' words to something he didn't mean. Now he turned that read around to townread Xatalos, and rayn is claiming it's not suspicous, which might be right. But this word-twisting stuff is scum indicative. You are so incredibly stuck on me "twisting" Xatalos' words in the beginning of the day- and that it is scum-indicative. However, you evaluate my word twisty-ness from a position in which I would have to be scum and Xat would have to be town (this is why I've been calling TMI on you), while you had no read on Xat. Moreover, that entire scum-read could've been put in the garbage as soon as I started flipping on Xatalos. This answer: + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2015 06:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 06:30 Superbia wrote:Rels have you even read my post explain the whole Xat thing? Every single point you're bringing up (as far as I'm reading - p16) seems to be your own weird interpretation on things and I am really disliking it. This post in particular is incredibly loaded with your own interpretation, and it really feels like you're driving an agenda here (i.e. to scum-push me): On November 02 2015 22:34 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 20:52 Superbia wrote:On November 02 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia FYI Xatalos has not played forum Resistance. ...That makes me slightly more suspicious rofl. But whatever, I have concluded that you are likely town, and that Xat may be town too. Partially due to me trusting your read a little, and partially because of how he's mentally (i.e. logically) handling my push. Actually Xat was town in the vanilla mafia game too right? The one in which he died n3 or whatever (I've half-followed it)? And where they lynched scum on d3 only? If so that gives him some town-points this game so far. I find this super convenient. Superbia started by scumreading Xata for the nightmare thing, which is understandable. Then there was the "is it still nightmarish ?" "kinda" "now that you've said it's not nightmarish anymore ..." scumread which was super weird. And now that rayn thinks Xata is town for meta, suddenly Xata is town for Superbia too, and I have TMI on him. Let's break this apart into two pieces: 1. My secondary post on the whole nightmare-ish part is putting into words what I had already expected to have been inside Xatalos' head- that he did not believe it is a "nightmare" for scum. I have explained this. 2. Your TMI has nothing to do with my read on Xatalos whatsoever. The blatant fucking fact is that you are evaluating me for interactions with Xatalos without giving a read on Xatalos. What if he's mafia? Does that change anything for your read on me?Side note. You exclaim that me beginning to lean town on Xatalos is super convient. In what way? If I am scum, what am I achieving here? Keep in mind that you still have no read on Xatalos (right?). So in what way is me, calling a null for you, super convenient?Rels, kindly answer the bolded questions and the following: - Please explain, in detail, how what you perceived to be my push on Xatalos makes me mafia. - How was my explanation on the matter inadequate? What did not make sense? I think there was something else I wanted to ask but I forgot. Maybe I'll remember it later. I've already discarded the "you town read on Xatalos is convenient" stuff, it wasn't scum indicative. Your read on Xatalos is weird because it is not based on logic. Xatalos is saying it's kinda nightmarish to be scum => you say he said the inverse. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective. It makes sense from a scum perspective that decided to scumread Xatalos, and is twisting things to keep it. Does not give me anything. It's a cheap and easy way to look at things, and ignore my perfectly good explanation. In fact, you ignore a number of my questions- ones that I still want answered. Pushing town as mafia is something you do- I've seen it done in the previous game we were in. The fact that you are so adamant with such hollow argument irks me so much, especially knowing my own alignment. I'm not sure what the purpose of this post is. At the start of it you mention how you want Rels to walk you through his argument, but then you proceed to trash him and explain your scumread moreso than that you seem to be looking for an explanation. Do you have any questions for him in specific?
Read the post the answer quotes. There are questions left unanswered, and the answer is very "uncaring". If that makes sense. I put effort into my post, and the effort in the answer is just, it doesn't fucking tell me anything new.
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Nvm about being scared on rayn. This fucking line just solidifies him as town:
On November 03 2015 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways, i believe we have 1 mafia in ShoCkeyy, and the rest 2 in kitaman/Rels/Superbia/HtS.
I don't even care that I'm in this list, this echoes my thoughts so much (mostly the second list- I would replace myself with sicklucker).
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On November 05 2015 00:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 00:50 Superbia wrote:On November 05 2015 00:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 05 2015 00:27 Superbia wrote:Ugh. That answer does not satisfy me. Rels- you are here. I am currently still incredibly stuck on your alignment as being mafia, so if you're town, you're going to have to walk me through your analysis of my alignment. On November 02 2015 23:16 Rels wrote:OK this tire me so let's lay out what happened. Timeline. 1. Superbia scumreads Xata for saying "playing scum is a nightmare".On November 02 2015 08:18 Superbia wrote:
I instantly retract my townread. On November 02 2015 08:20 Superbia wrote:
So it's in no way a "nightmare" for "them". Which you should know, since you have played the game before. 2. Superbia asks Xata if he really thinks it's a nightmare, Xata kinda confirms.On November 02 2015 08:32 Superbia wrote:
Do you really think this game is a nightmare for scum? On November 02 2015 08:35 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, I think it should be somewhat anti-scum. In the way that IRL Resistance is pretty balanced, but here it's much easier for town to communicate properly than IRL, whereas the scumteam can't communicate at all like usual in forum Mafia. 3. Superbia uses this to make Xatalos say something he didn't: that being scum isn't nightmarishOn November 02 2015 08:39 Superbia wrote:
So now that we've correctly concluded that you don't believe it is a "nightmare" for scum. Why did you open with that? ConclusionThat is the problem with Superbia's early play; twisting Xatalos' words to something he didn't mean. Now he turned that read around to townread Xatalos, and rayn is claiming it's not suspicous, which might be right. But this word-twisting stuff is scum indicative. You are so incredibly stuck on me "twisting" Xatalos' words in the beginning of the day- and that it is scum-indicative. However, you evaluate my word twisty-ness from a position in which I would have to be scum and Xat would have to be town (this is why I've been calling TMI on you), while you had no read on Xat. Moreover, that entire scum-read could've been put in the garbage as soon as I started flipping on Xatalos. This answer: + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2015 06:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 06:30 Superbia wrote:Rels have you even read my post explain the whole Xat thing? Every single point you're bringing up (as far as I'm reading - p16) seems to be your own weird interpretation on things and I am really disliking it. This post in particular is incredibly loaded with your own interpretation, and it really feels like you're driving an agenda here (i.e. to scum-push me): On November 02 2015 22:34 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 20:52 Superbia wrote:On November 02 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia FYI Xatalos has not played forum Resistance. ...That makes me slightly more suspicious rofl. But whatever, I have concluded that you are likely town, and that Xat may be town too. Partially due to me trusting your read a little, and partially because of how he's mentally (i.e. logically) handling my push. Actually Xat was town in the vanilla mafia game too right? The one in which he died n3 or whatever (I've half-followed it)? And where they lynched scum on d3 only? If so that gives him some town-points this game so far. I find this super convenient. Superbia started by scumreading Xata for the nightmare thing, which is understandable. Then there was the "is it still nightmarish ?" "kinda" "now that you've said it's not nightmarish anymore ..." scumread which was super weird. And now that rayn thinks Xata is town for meta, suddenly Xata is town for Superbia too, and I have TMI on him. Let's break this apart into two pieces: 1. My secondary post on the whole nightmare-ish part is putting into words what I had already expected to have been inside Xatalos' head- that he did not believe it is a "nightmare" for scum. I have explained this. 2. Your TMI has nothing to do with my read on Xatalos whatsoever. The blatant fucking fact is that you are evaluating me for interactions with Xatalos without giving a read on Xatalos. What if he's mafia? Does that change anything for your read on me?Side note. You exclaim that me beginning to lean town on Xatalos is super convient. In what way? If I am scum, what am I achieving here? Keep in mind that you still have no read on Xatalos (right?). So in what way is me, calling a null for you, super convenient?Rels, kindly answer the bolded questions and the following: - Please explain, in detail, how what you perceived to be my push on Xatalos makes me mafia. - How was my explanation on the matter inadequate? What did not make sense? I think there was something else I wanted to ask but I forgot. Maybe I'll remember it later. I've already discarded the "you town read on Xatalos is convenient" stuff, it wasn't scum indicative. Your read on Xatalos is weird because it is not based on logic. Xatalos is saying it's kinda nightmarish to be scum => you say he said the inverse. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective. It makes sense from a scum perspective that decided to scumread Xatalos, and is twisting things to keep it. Does not give me anything. It's a cheap and easy way to look at things, and ignore my perfectly good explanation. In fact, you ignore a number of my questions- ones that I still want answered. Pushing town as mafia is something you do- I've seen it done in the previous game we were in. The fact that you are so adamant with such hollow argument irks me so much, especially knowing my own alignment. I'm not sure what the purpose of this post is. At the start of it you mention how you want Rels to walk you through his argument, but then you proceed to trash him and explain your scumread moreso than that you seem to be looking for an explanation. Do you have any questions for him in specific? Read the post the answer quotes. There are questions left unanswered, and the answer is very "uncaring". If that makes sense. I put effort into my post, and the effort in the answer is just, it doesn't fucking tell me anything new. Alright, okay. Your TMI argument doesn't really make sense to me though. You say he's working from a TMI perspective in which he knows Xata is town and you're scum. Somehow I doubt this is the argument you're actually trying to make.
My initial problem with rels (the TMI one) is this:
- He starts off by saying he will "eventually" read Xat (d3 or so, iirc).
- He scum-reads on me for the reasoning he has given, but that reasoning strictly works if Xat is town (But he has no read on him?).
That was my initial TMI read on Rels. It may still be true, but I'm mainly focused on the fact that is he hammering this shit home, even though he should've either re-evaluated or evolved his read from here.
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You have been fucking calling me scum, have you not? If not, what was the fucking point of all of that? Like what have you actually concluded? How have you been able to not fucking talk this through with me if you're town? Like why did you not pick apart my explanation post if you think I was (or may be) scum? How is it that you're able to give these weak, no-effort responses if you're town?
Yeah, right.
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On November 05 2015 00:58 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 00:55 Superbia wrote:On November 05 2015 00:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 05 2015 00:50 Superbia wrote:On November 05 2015 00:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 05 2015 00:27 Superbia wrote:Ugh. That answer does not satisfy me. Rels- you are here. I am currently still incredibly stuck on your alignment as being mafia, so if you're town, you're going to have to walk me through your analysis of my alignment. On November 02 2015 23:16 Rels wrote:OK this tire me so let's lay out what happened. Timeline. 1. Superbia scumreads Xata for saying "playing scum is a nightmare".On November 02 2015 08:18 Superbia wrote:
I instantly retract my townread. On November 02 2015 08:20 Superbia wrote:
So it's in no way a "nightmare" for "them". Which you should know, since you have played the game before. 2. Superbia asks Xata if he really thinks it's a nightmare, Xata kinda confirms.On November 02 2015 08:32 Superbia wrote:
Do you really think this game is a nightmare for scum? On November 02 2015 08:35 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, I think it should be somewhat anti-scum. In the way that IRL Resistance is pretty balanced, but here it's much easier for town to communicate properly than IRL, whereas the scumteam can't communicate at all like usual in forum Mafia. 3. Superbia uses this to make Xatalos say something he didn't: that being scum isn't nightmarishOn November 02 2015 08:39 Superbia wrote:
So now that we've correctly concluded that you don't believe it is a "nightmare" for scum. Why did you open with that? ConclusionThat is the problem with Superbia's early play; twisting Xatalos' words to something he didn't mean. Now he turned that read around to townread Xatalos, and rayn is claiming it's not suspicous, which might be right. But this word-twisting stuff is scum indicative. You are so incredibly stuck on me "twisting" Xatalos' words in the beginning of the day- and that it is scum-indicative. However, you evaluate my word twisty-ness from a position in which I would have to be scum and Xat would have to be town (this is why I've been calling TMI on you), while you had no read on Xat. Moreover, that entire scum-read could've been put in the garbage as soon as I started flipping on Xatalos. This answer: + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2015 06:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 06:30 Superbia wrote:Rels have you even read my post explain the whole Xat thing? Every single point you're bringing up (as far as I'm reading - p16) seems to be your own weird interpretation on things and I am really disliking it. This post in particular is incredibly loaded with your own interpretation, and it really feels like you're driving an agenda here (i.e. to scum-push me): On November 02 2015 22:34 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 20:52 Superbia wrote:On November 02 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia FYI Xatalos has not played forum Resistance. ...That makes me slightly more suspicious rofl. But whatever, I have concluded that you are likely town, and that Xat may be town too. Partially due to me trusting your read a little, and partially because of how he's mentally (i.e. logically) handling my push. Actually Xat was town in the vanilla mafia game too right? The one in which he died n3 or whatever (I've half-followed it)? And where they lynched scum on d3 only? If so that gives him some town-points this game so far. I find this super convenient. Superbia started by scumreading Xata for the nightmare thing, which is understandable. Then there was the "is it still nightmarish ?" "kinda" "now that you've said it's not nightmarish anymore ..." scumread which was super weird. And now that rayn thinks Xata is town for meta, suddenly Xata is town for Superbia too, and I have TMI on him. Let's break this apart into two pieces: 1. My secondary post on the whole nightmare-ish part is putting into words what I had already expected to have been inside Xatalos' head- that he did not believe it is a "nightmare" for scum. I have explained this. 2. Your TMI has nothing to do with my read on Xatalos whatsoever. The blatant fucking fact is that you are evaluating me for interactions with Xatalos without giving a read on Xatalos. What if he's mafia? Does that change anything for your read on me?Side note. You exclaim that me beginning to lean town on Xatalos is super convient. In what way? If I am scum, what am I achieving here? Keep in mind that you still have no read on Xatalos (right?). So in what way is me, calling a null for you, super convenient?Rels, kindly answer the bolded questions and the following: - Please explain, in detail, how what you perceived to be my push on Xatalos makes me mafia. - How was my explanation on the matter inadequate? What did not make sense? I think there was something else I wanted to ask but I forgot. Maybe I'll remember it later. I've already discarded the "you town read on Xatalos is convenient" stuff, it wasn't scum indicative. Your read on Xatalos is weird because it is not based on logic. Xatalos is saying it's kinda nightmarish to be scum => you say he said the inverse. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective. It makes sense from a scum perspective that decided to scumread Xatalos, and is twisting things to keep it. Does not give me anything. It's a cheap and easy way to look at things, and ignore my perfectly good explanation. In fact, you ignore a number of my questions- ones that I still want answered. Pushing town as mafia is something you do- I've seen it done in the previous game we were in. The fact that you are so adamant with such hollow argument irks me so much, especially knowing my own alignment. I'm not sure what the purpose of this post is. At the start of it you mention how you want Rels to walk you through his argument, but then you proceed to trash him and explain your scumread moreso than that you seem to be looking for an explanation. Do you have any questions for him in specific? Read the post the answer quotes. There are questions left unanswered, and the answer is very "uncaring". If that makes sense. I put effort into my post, and the effort in the answer is just, it doesn't fucking tell me anything new. Alright, okay. Your TMI argument doesn't really make sense to me though. You say he's working from a TMI perspective in which he knows Xata is town and you're scum. Somehow I doubt this is the argument you're actually trying to make. My initial problem with rels (the TMI one) is this: - He starts off by saying he will "eventually" read Xat (d3 or so, iirc). - He scum-reads on me for the reasoning he has given, but that reasoning strictly works if Xat is town (But he has no read on him?). False. The read is based on something illogical, and has not link with Xata's alignement.
Has an absolute link with Xata's alignment. I am pushing Xata for something you deem illogical. Fair enough, but the scum-read indicates Xata is town. Else I am scum-reading Scum-Xata as scum for an illogical reason- why?
On November 05 2015 00:55 Superbia wrote:
That was my initial TMI read on Rels. It may still be true, but I'm mainly focused on the fact that is he hammering this shit home, even though he should've either re-evaluated or evolved his read from here.
False. I just said it was a small scum indication and that I was waiting to see where Superbia would do next.[/QUOTE]
You have been unable to properly evaluate my early-play, even though I have walked through it and explained it, in a post you have conveniently pretty much ignored. Have been ignoring my queries to in-depth evaluate it and other questions (which I cannot recall, but they were probably important). Moreover, you have put 0 effort from that point on to evaluate me in any sort of way (from what I can tell).
Like my fucking nightmare scenario in this game is if you are actually town -as I am evaluating this game from the point of view in which you are mafia- but I cannot believe it at this point in time.
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On November 05 2015 01:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I actually think the argument has gone off base so far that its depleted its usefulness and we should move onto more productive things.
Superbia, you indicated you think Kita is scum for how he read you. Is there anything else you dislike about him? What do you think about the rest of his reads?
Perhaps you are right in this argument. In any case we should probably not pursue it any further now as it will not help me evaluate Rels in any sort of way.
Kita is still up in the air at this point, he's not in my town circle. (My PoE scum list is: Rels, Shockey, Kita, Sicklucker, HtS/maybe you)
I'm mostly going off the votes here:
- There's a general feel that it is obvious most people will vote no- so scum (as having no QT) are more likely to vote with the general consensus (not sticking out etc.).
- Mafia are very likely to vote yes on a mission with a mafia. Unless the consensus is against it. Consensus takes heavy priority over everything for mafia.
- Mafia are somewhat likely to vote no on a mission with only town. They can vote yes to look good, especially early on. This can very easily go against consensus ("see, I told you the mission would pass!").
- Mafia are very likely to vote no on a mission with only town, if the situation is dire.
- Stand out vote is usually either trolly or complete confidence. I don't think shockey was/had either.
So:
If the team consisted of town, and my PoE is correct:
- Mafia is likely:
Rels, shockey, sicklucker.
If the team had a mafia, and my PoE is correct:
- Mafia is likely:
Rels, Kita, Shockey/SL.
OR
Rels, HtS (who would attempt to frame Kita), shockey/SL.
Alternate world would include both HtS and Kita but eh. Could be, but I don't think so atm. I think rayn's argument as to kita trying to influence the team a lot near deadline is good. I think the fact that none of the team-members votes for the team to pass leans towards a scum being on the team (scum votes as consensus, town votes what they believe, the fact that no one in the team believed therefore leans me more towards a scum being in the team).
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I'm going to read some more pages as I am not caught up 100% yet. And then groceries. Will probably be back later this evening.
I propose this team:
Xat/Rayn/Superbia
Kinda selfish, but whatever. I think that team would likely pass.
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Kind of nowhere. It's PoE. I expect town SL to be a lot more involved and active. He hasn't really done anything this game. He has done this before as town, but I can read him when he's doing shit, not when he's not. So he goes in the back of the PoE list.
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On November 05 2015 01:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 01:26 Superbia wrote:On November 05 2015 01:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I actually think the argument has gone off base so far that its depleted its usefulness and we should move onto more productive things.
Superbia, you indicated you think Kita is scum for how he read you. Is there anything else you dislike about him? What do you think about the rest of his reads? Perhaps you are right in this argument. In any case we should probably not pursue it any further now as it will not help me evaluate Rels in any sort of way. Kita is still up in the air at this point, he's not in my town circle. (My PoE scum list is: Rels, Shockey, Kita, Sicklucker, HtS/maybe you) I'm mostly going off the votes here: - There's a general feel that it is obvious most people will vote no- so scum (as having no QT) are more likely to vote with the general consensus (not sticking out etc.). - Mafia are very likely to vote yes on a mission with a mafia. Unless the consensus is against it. Consensus takes heavy priority over everything for mafia. - Mafia are somewhat likely to vote no on a mission with only town. They can vote yes to look good, especially early on. This can very easily go against consensus ("see, I told you the mission would pass!"). - Mafia are very likely to vote no on a mission with only town, if the situation is dire. - Stand out vote is usually either trolly or complete confidence. I don't think shockey was/had either. So: If the team consisted of town, and my PoE is correct: - Mafia is likely: Rels, shockey, sicklucker. If the team had a mafia, and my PoE is correct: - Mafia is likely: Rels, Kita, Shockey/SL. OR Rels, HtS (who would attempt to frame Kita), shockey/SL. Alternate world would include both HtS and Kita but eh. Could be, but I don't think so atm. I think rayn's argument as to kita trying to influence the team a lot near deadline is good. I think the fact that none of the team-members votes for the team to pass leans towards a scum being on the team (scum votes as consensus, town votes what they believe, the fact that no one in the team believed therefore leans me more towards a scum being in the team). I'm confused why you put me as a maybe yet didn't include me in any potential scumteam. Also, putting rels in every team; are you that certain at this point?
No. I also have no real solid read on you so that's why I'm iffy. We've played 1 game together iirc. You're leaning town but at this point I can leave you on PoE for 3p mission. If I have to be replaced on mission it's by you. But I really would prefer it to be me on the mission.
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No as in: I'm not completely certain on Rels, especially now that I've cooled down a little. That being said, he's still on top of my scum-list for now. Will take a mission-flip to re-evaluate probably.
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On November 05 2015 01:39 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 01:29 Xatalos wrote:On November 04 2015 23:45 Rels wrote:On November 04 2015 20:52 Xatalos wrote:
Crap... My phone deleted everything I was writing as I went back to look at filters :/ Now I'll just write from the top of my head..
So yeah, right now I think shockeyy is probably scum (especially if he didn't realize that the votes would be public like sicklucker said..). The remaining scum should be one of HTS/Kita (explained before) and one of Rels/Superbia/Artanis. Tbh Rels hasn't seemed too bad lately considering his constant activity and engagement, while Superbia and Artanis have basically continued semi-lurking for a long time now. Not really confident who there is scum, but that should be resolved as the game progresses.
So overall, not really confident in attempting an all-scum team right now. Probably best just to go with the safe plan of me, rayn and.. sicklucker? He hasn't really done much besides the weird OMGUS on me, but just with PoE, the point about shockeyy and overall his "I don't give a fuck" attitude seem more likely from town IMO. Tentatively:
##Nominate Xatalos, rayn, sicklucker
(That should work?)
I'll be online only very sporadically for a while, but please comment. Still following the thread sentiment I see. When I bring up stuff on HTS, you say "mm maybe she's scum." When SL asks to be in the team, you agree and roll with it. I'm not seeing SL is town or scum; but the way you're playing is super scummy. Alright it's time to roll out the meta analysis on you. Will do this tonight when I have more time. I'm confused by this post. Didn't you call me a good townread recently? What's with this "super scummy" suddenly? Besides, I didn't even read SL's post before my nomination... Which you should have noticed by the fact that I hadn't even got to reading Artanis's post before I started typing. Overall, would be nice to hear more opinions on the current proposal. From you, from Superbia, and others. Mm I'll check that tonight. I need to check your filter length compared to your scum / town game, but 10 pages already feels enormous considering we're in N1 in a normal game. Assuming the filter length analysis confirms what I think right now: I would like you to switch sicklucker with kita, shockey, me or Artanis. SL is not doing much; nothing he did was scum indicative, but nominating someone just because he doesn't seem to care is not ideal when there is stronger choice.
This can't happen. 
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On November 05 2015 01:40 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 01:35 Superbia wrote:
Kind of nowhere. It's PoE. I expect town SL to be a lot more involved and active. He hasn't really done anything this game. He has done this before as town, but I can read him when he's doing shit, not when he's not. So he goes in the back of the PoE list. Has he / do you expect he would take this attitude as scum? Isn't it actually good for him here that he plays similarly as town? I'm also considering Artanis atm though, liked his recent posts. About you, I'm not quite so sure on.
I'm not sure what SL's scum-play is there days. I think it's usually pretty easy to read him if he's not lurking. The fact that he's not coming up with weird ass logic/strategies this game is troubling.
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On November 05 2015 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well to be fair, Superbia, at which point you started townreading Xatalos?
I assume you are townreading him now, right?
Upwards slope after I started flipping on him. I feel his logic has been super consistent this game. Especially on me. Like it's been logical but still wary. Feels very natural.
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On November 05 2015 05:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 05:46 Superbia wrote:On November 05 2015 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well to be fair, Superbia, at which point you started townreading Xatalos?
I assume you are townreading him now, right? Upwards slope after I started flipping on him. I feel his logic has been super consistent this game. Especially on me. Like it's been logical but still wary. Feels very natural. I'd like to hear a page number or poat or something where null gets upgraded to town.
poat?
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Looking at his filter I can't really find a post that jumps out as super town or whatever. But from my POV I know I'm town, right. And rels was coming after me hard, but Xat never wavered on his town-lean on me. It was at most null. If Xat was mafia I think he would've agreed with Rels regardless of Rels alignment and would've taken the opportunity to flip on me and put on more pressure.
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On November 05 2015 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 05:56 Superbia wrote:
Okay. I'm here. Gonna read through some stuff, play some isaac. Expect some comments later. Probably before deadline. Haven't made my mind up on team yet. First glance seems HtS is leaning town. Yet team feels iffy. Idk yet. This post. Who is iffy?
What team was this again? Like you+hts+xat?
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If so- I've explained already that I was/am pretty worried about both your and HtS' scum-game. I don't really have general/meta town/scum tells on either of you (well, I do on you, but I haven't sold myself on it yet. If you end up flipping town this game it's correct).
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Xat what's your current team? I can't find it on short notice (also being lazy).
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I don't want to explain. Trusterino pls.
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This one is probably going to get rejected straight out bc there's a good chance SL will just continue to lurk. =/ Artanis would've gotten some votes.
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I'm not even hard scum-reading you dumbass. You're in my PoE-scumlist
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On November 05 2015 08:12 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 01:43 Superbia wrote:On November 05 2015 01:40 Xatalos wrote:On November 05 2015 01:35 Superbia wrote:
Kind of nowhere. It's PoE. I expect town SL to be a lot more involved and active. He hasn't really done anything this game. He has done this before as town, but I can read him when he's doing shit, not when he's not. So he goes in the back of the PoE list. Has he / do you expect he would take this attitude as scum? Isn't it actually good for him here that he plays similarly as town? I'm also considering Artanis atm though, liked his recent posts. About you, I'm not quite so sure on. I'm not sure what SL's scum-play is there days. I think it's usually pretty easy to read him if he's not lurking. The fact that he's not coming up with weird ass logic/strategies this game is troubling. BUT I AM. LIKE I CAME UP WITH SOME PRETTY CRAZY SHIT
Like what?
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On November 05 2015 08:17 Superbia wrote:
I'm not even hard scum-reading you dumbass. You're in my PoE-scumlist
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Holy shit those NOs... this game may be solved.
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Yeah, that seems kind of weird. An entire day to do the mission may also be too long (no patience), but I'm not sure how to solve it.
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On November 06 2015 08:05 Half the Sky wrote:
Superbia, why did you vote it down? Unless it's already apparent in your filter and I just need to open another tab on mobile...
There's literally no point in voting yes? Like look at the next on the leader circulation. I'd rather get as much voting logic as possible.
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On November 06 2015 08:16 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 08:06 Superbia wrote:On November 06 2015 08:05 Half the Sky wrote:
Superbia, why did you vote it down? Unless it's already apparent in your filter and I just need to open another tab on mobile... There's literally no point in voting yes? Like look at the next on the leader circulation. I'd rather get as much voting logic as possible. I looked through your filter. You have sicklucker as a scumread so that makes some sense. But your last sentence here indicates you might just keep downvoting for more logic or...since you would appear to be townreading rayn/Artanis.
What? I didn't downvote bc I have SL as a scum-read. He was in my PoE non-town circle somewhere at the end. I downvoted because there is literally no reason for the team to go right now. I'd rather collect more votes.
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Just from votes first glance would say 1 between SL and Xat seems more likely. Kita's probably town.
First team (nominated by HtS):
kitaman27
raynpelikoneet
Half the Sky
1 accept from Shockey, rest reject.
second team (nominated by Xat):
Xatalos,
rayn,
sicklucker
Votes:
Half the Sky - YES
Xatalos - YES
Artanis[Xp] - YES
raynpelikoneet - YES
ShoCkeyy - NO
Rels - NO
sicklucker - YES
kitaman27 - NO
Superbia - NO
But then you look at votes and pretty much all of the commonly read scummy people vote NO. Doesn't make much sense, fucking tinfoil hatting on rayn right now as well. I think he voted Yes way too easily. Especially if he's a veteran Resistance player.
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All right. Fucking super tinfoil hat right now. What if that entire team is scum?
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We did get the number of sabotages HtS: 1. It's in the post.
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I'm way too tired to actually properly evaluate right now. I'll do some actual logic tomorrow rather than conjecture.
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On November 07 2015 08:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Lol.... Of course..... I don't look crazy now do I? ;\
Actually leaning on TMI in my mind atm, but I'll re-eval your filter somewhere tomorrow.
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The fucking strategy was literally discussed in the very intro of the thread. Like mafia know how to do it. They're not going to fuck up.
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Actually barely have time today, unfortunately.
Imo we have to find out which of the three is scum (maybe more). We can't exclude all 3 of them in the team, because if we get a fail we're essentially fucked in the ass. In my world Xatalos is either exclusively with rayn or not scum (though rayn could be independently scum). SL is a fucked-up case, as I really can't see him in the team ever again. His reactions don't help.
My other problem is that Artanis/HtS are both on the yes votes despite not being on the team, which kind of means I don't want to include them on the team.
The team I would suggest would be: Rayn/Xatalos/Superbia/Kita (or perhaps Artanis instead of Kita, since Kita could be with SL- I'm still a little stuck on who the last member would be- probably someone who is/was on the raynistown-train). Which means that if this team produces a fail rayn would probably be for sure mafia. Yes, I understand that this could be a set up if I'm mafia myself, but get fucked.
So to re-iterate: we cannot make a team which excludes all members of the first team at this point in time, as a fail would mean absolutely fuck all.
I also know that people had some questions for me: rayn and rels. Rels I don't remember your question so please restate it asap (maybe I'll find it after this post). Rayn, I stated that I had the willies on you and HtS even though you both felt town. I've explained this I believe.
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Actually it has to be Art instead of Kita on that team. Art was riding the rayntown-train.
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If pass we win, if fail rayntrain confirmed bullshit (and by proxy rels/kita/maybe shockey prob town)
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On November 07 2015 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 23:23 Superbia wrote:
I also know that people had some questions for me: rayn and rels. Rels I don't remember your question so please restate it asap (maybe I'll find it after this post). Rayn, I stated that I had the willies on you and HtS even though you both felt town. I've explained this I believe. Where did you exactly say that? I am pretty sure you hard-townread at least me before making the "iffy" post.
I had you hard townread after list which was super similar to mine
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Same reason as you. Strong players do not get easily townread. This is all in my filter, I believe I've answered this question before.
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On November 07 2015 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 23:29 Superbia wrote:
Same reason as you. Strong players do not get easily townread. This is all in my filter, I believe I've answered this question before. Then why did you hard-townread me in the first place?!?!?!?
Because you shared the exact same town-reads as me at a certain point.
I have a question for you rayn- as you are now starting to push scum onto me. Who am I with?
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On November 07 2015 23:35 sicklucker wrote:
wy do xata and rayn have to both be scum super?
Rayn can be independent scum. I don't believe Xatalos can be. That's literally just a feeling. I don't think town-rayn can be fooled so hard so easily.
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Like the SL inclusion would be so opportunistic and easy from a scum-rayn POV. I really, really don't understand why he was agreeing so easily with it. Artanis should've been much more obvious from his POV imo. I don't even recall rayn having a strong read on SL pre-inclusion.
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On November 07 2015 23:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 23:38 Superbia wrote:
Like the SL inclusion would be so opportunistic and easy from a scum-rayn POV. I really, really don't understand why he was agreeing so easily with it. Artanis should've been much more obvious from his POV imo. I don't even recall rayn having a strong read on SL pre-inclusion. So now there are three four who can't understand the fact that I NEVER PUSHED SL TO BE ON THE TEAM!!!! fucking retarded.
Then why the fuck did you vote yes??? Why not wait until Artanis, who was next, makes the team???
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On November 07 2015 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 23:36 Superbia wrote:On November 07 2015 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 23:29 Superbia wrote:
Same reason as you. Strong players do not get easily townread. This is all in my filter, I believe I've answered this question before. Then why did you hard-townread me in the first place?!?!?!? Because you shared the exact same town-reads as me at a certain point. I have a question for you rayn- as you are now starting to push scum onto me. Who am I with? I don't even think you are top 3 scum if you are reading the thread properly.... I am just questioning you of the stuff that doesn't make any sense. If you have not realized i am okkay with you being on the team that would go on a mission rn...
Good. That was not clear to me.
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On November 07 2015 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 23:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 23:40 Superbia wrote:On November 07 2015 23:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 23:38 Superbia wrote:
Like the SL inclusion would be so opportunistic and easy from a scum-rayn POV. I really, really don't understand why he was agreeing so easily with it. Artanis should've been much more obvious from his POV imo. I don't even recall rayn having a strong read on SL pre-inclusion. So now there are three four who can't understand the fact that I NEVER PUSHED SL TO BE ON THE TEAM!!!! fucking retarded. Then why the fuck did you vote yes??? Why not wait until Artanis, who was next, makes the team??? I would imagine that since he townread me and thought there was a good chance SL was town, I could make the 4-man team with the other three and then win the game. yes
C'mon. This is so blatantly the "too easy" trap if you're town. Get more information...
The fucking disgusting thing is that some of the scummiest people have the best voting record.
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I'm going to read your Xatalos stuff now HtS.
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On November 07 2015 23:49 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 23:48 Superbia wrote:On November 07 2015 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 23:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 23:40 Superbia wrote:On November 07 2015 23:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 23:38 Superbia wrote:
Like the SL inclusion would be so opportunistic and easy from a scum-rayn POV. I really, really don't understand why he was agreeing so easily with it. Artanis should've been much more obvious from his POV imo. I don't even recall rayn having a strong read on SL pre-inclusion. So now there are three four who can't understand the fact that I NEVER PUSHED SL TO BE ON THE TEAM!!!! fucking retarded. Then why the fuck did you vote yes??? Why not wait until Artanis, who was next, makes the team??? I would imagine that since he townread me and thought there was a good chance SL was town, I could make the 4-man team with the other three and then win the game. yes C'mon. This is so blatantly the "too easy" trap if you're town. Get more information... The fucking disgusting thing is that some of the scummiest people have the best voting record. then how are they scummy? votes are everything
No they're not. It completely depends on their mindset. In my resistance group everyone began voting fairly obviously and straightforward (not all), but now most mafia will vote yes on an all-town team (especially if shit seems dire for mafia) and just straight up no on a team they're not in (especially if most seem to agree).
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On November 07 2015 23:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 23:48 Superbia wrote:On November 07 2015 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 23:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 23:40 Superbia wrote:On November 07 2015 23:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 23:38 Superbia wrote:
Like the SL inclusion would be so opportunistic and easy from a scum-rayn POV. I really, really don't understand why he was agreeing so easily with it. Artanis should've been much more obvious from his POV imo. I don't even recall rayn having a strong read on SL pre-inclusion. So now there are three four who can't understand the fact that I NEVER PUSHED SL TO BE ON THE TEAM!!!! fucking retarded. Then why the fuck did you vote yes??? Why not wait until Artanis, who was next, makes the team??? I would imagine that since he townread me and thought there was a good chance SL was town, I could make the 4-man team with the other three and then win the game. yes C'mon. This is so blatantly the "too easy" trap if you're town. Get more information... The fucking disgusting thing is that some of the scummiest people have the best voting record. that is not a fucking trap if i think, as i did, that all of you three are town. you didn't seem to have any problem with this either so why the fuck am i scum for it now?
What? I voted no. I wanted to see the votes and then see what Artanis would do.
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On November 07 2015 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 23:52 Superbia wrote:On November 07 2015 23:49 sicklucker wrote:On November 07 2015 23:48 Superbia wrote:On November 07 2015 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 23:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 23:40 Superbia wrote:On November 07 2015 23:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 23:38 Superbia wrote:
Like the SL inclusion would be so opportunistic and easy from a scum-rayn POV. I really, really don't understand why he was agreeing so easily with it. Artanis should've been much more obvious from his POV imo. I don't even recall rayn having a strong read on SL pre-inclusion. So now there are three four who can't understand the fact that I NEVER PUSHED SL TO BE ON THE TEAM!!!! fucking retarded. Then why the fuck did you vote yes??? Why not wait until Artanis, who was next, makes the team??? I would imagine that since he townread me and thought there was a good chance SL was town, I could make the 4-man team with the other three and then win the game. yes C'mon. This is so blatantly the "too easy" trap if you're town. Get more information... The fucking disgusting thing is that some of the scummiest people have the best voting record. then how are they scummy? votes are everything No they're not. It completely depends on their mindset. In my resistance group everyone began voting fairly obviously and straightforward (not all), but now most mafia will vote yes on an all-town team (especially if shit seems dire for mafia) and just straight up no on a team they're not in (especially if most seem to agree). this is bullshit. right now mafia will never vote yay in an all town team.
Maybe? It depends on their public position on the players in the team.
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On November 07 2015 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 23:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:On November 07 2015 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 23:52 Superbia wrote:On November 07 2015 23:49 sicklucker wrote:On November 07 2015 23:48 Superbia wrote:On November 07 2015 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 23:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 23:40 Superbia wrote:On November 07 2015 23:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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So now there are three four who can't understand the fact that I NEVER PUSHED SL TO BE ON THE TEAM!!!!
fucking retarded. Then why the fuck did you vote yes??? Why not wait until Artanis, who was next, makes the team??? I would imagine that since he townread me and thought there was a good chance SL was town, I could make the 4-man team with the other three and then win the game. yes C'mon. This is so blatantly the "too easy" trap if you're town. Get more information... The fucking disgusting thing is that some of the scummiest people have the best voting record. then how are they scummy? votes are everything No they're not. It completely depends on their mindset. In my resistance group everyone began voting fairly obviously and straightforward (not all), but now most mafia will vote yes on an all-town team (especially if shit seems dire for mafia) and just straight up no on a team they're not in (especially if most seem to agree). this is bullshit. right now mafia will never vote yay in an all town team. How do you know? because if the town gets an all town mission right now we win. use your brain, at least a little ok?
Now- yes. Not for 3man.
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On November 07 2015 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 23:57 Superbia wrote:On November 07 2015 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 23:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:On November 07 2015 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 23:52 Superbia wrote:On November 07 2015 23:49 sicklucker wrote:On November 07 2015 23:48 Superbia wrote:On November 07 2015 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 23:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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I would imagine that since he townread me and thought there was a good chance SL was town, I could make the 4-man team with the other three and then win the game. yes C'mon. This is so blatantly the "too easy" trap if you're town. Get more information... The fucking disgusting thing is that some of the scummiest people have the best voting record. then how are they scummy? votes are everything No they're not. It completely depends on their mindset. In my resistance group everyone began voting fairly obviously and straightforward (not all), but now most mafia will vote yes on an all-town team (especially if shit seems dire for mafia) and just straight up no on a team they're not in (especially if most seem to agree). this is bullshit. right now mafia will never vote yay in an all town team. How do you know? because if the town gets an all town mission right now we win. use your brain, at least a little ok? Now- yes. Not for 3man. I thought you were talking about this mission and not the 3-man one.
Negative. Talking about votes so far.
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Ugh it's so disgusting. I really do not have time before deadline. I've half-read HtS stuff on Xat but I haven't been able to make up my mind on it. I think HtS may probably (kind of reluctantly) be town mostly due to dumbtells (like positive conclusions pre-flip). I don't think she does that as mafia. I think the team I suggested may be a good team to start off with. See where that takes us.
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On November 08 2015 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 00:07 Superbia wrote:
Ugh it's so disgusting. I really do not have time before deadline. I've half-read HtS stuff on Xat but I haven't been able to make up my mind on it. I think HtS may probably (kind of reluctantly) be town mostly due to dumbtells (like positive conclusions pre-flip). I don't think she does that as mafia. I think the team I suggested may be a good team to start off with. See where that takes us. Why do you actually think HtS could be town? What are these "dumbtells" you are talking about and why is it more likely they come from town than from mafia?
There's been some sporadic stuff in her filter. One of the prominent examples is: After the rayn/xat/sl team went through (votes revealed), she instantly starts saying there's likely a scum between me and kita. This leans me to believe that she really had faith in the team. Added on that she had been, seemingly, incredibly busy/tired, which may explain the mistake of being too conclusive.
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On November 08 2015 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 00:17 Superbia wrote:On November 08 2015 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 08 2015 00:07 Superbia wrote:
Ugh it's so disgusting. I really do not have time before deadline. I've half-read HtS stuff on Xat but I haven't been able to make up my mind on it. I think HtS may probably (kind of reluctantly) be town mostly due to dumbtells (like positive conclusions pre-flip). I don't think she does that as mafia. I think the team I suggested may be a good team to start off with. See where that takes us. Why do you actually think HtS could be town? What are these "dumbtells" you are talking about and why is it more likely they come from town than from mafia? There's been some sporadic stuff in her filter. One of the prominent examples is: After the rayn/xat/sl team went through (votes revealed), she instantly starts saying there's likely a scum between me and kita. This leans me to believe that she really had faith in the team. Added on that she had been, seemingly, incredibly busy/tired, which may explain the mistake of being too conclusive. Okay so let's say you are scum and you yay-voted the team. Why would you not make "positive conclusions pre-flip"?
Okay. That's fair enough. Maybe I concluded too quickly here. It seemed like she made a mistake/dumbtell (she said next nomination should be rayn/xat/art, which lead me to believe she also didn't think the mission was going through, but had faith in rayn/xat). But next filter page it becomes apparent she was already discussing the next team, but didn't know it was a 4 player mission. Meh.
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Hey boys&girls,
Going to be looking to replace out. x: My time has been super-limited and it's not going to get any better anytime soon. Alas. I really enjoyed it. =/
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