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On November 19 2015 03:45 FarahBlackwing wrote: This post was made 15 minutes before the deadline.Confirmed Town: Scott Farah I think They Are Town: Shining Geript Moos NocturneMage I thought they were town now they are falling VE Eversince Ritoky Not Sure Disformation Breshke Trfel Good Chance of Scum FF I haven't done much research this game like I did last game, Ritoky could move into the Not sure and so could VE. Ever I hope comes back. And its still forming a bit and the game is rather hard at this juncture. On November 19 2015 05:06 FarahBlackwing wrote: Six minutes after the deadline.Ok, ##vote breshke claim vigilante Breshke and Fecalfeast both did not make any posts in between. There is zero reason for FarahBlackwing's read to change. This is the only piece of scumhunting that FarahBlackwing has done today, if you call it that. She's made a ton of posts trying to find the vigilante, and a ton of posts saying that she isn't going to explain anything or work with anyone. But no time to actually find scum. Or perhaps more accurately, no desire to actually find scum. I can't really see how there is any doubt. | ||
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On November 19 2015 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote: So do I, stupid exams.I can't say I'm tunneled on you trfel but right now that's where my brain is. I've only just been in your filter and i will take a closer look later. I've still got shit to do right now tho Please answer my question here as soon as you get a chance. | ||
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On November 19 2015 09:00 FarahBlackwing wrote: This explanation is completely false.Trfel also doesn't show that I did want to lynch Breske yesterday before I got cold feet. Breshke was geript top scum read and a few posts later I felt ff was the vigilante. Saying that Fecalfeast is scum and being unsure about Breshke and then voting for Breshke is fine. The problem is that FarahBlackwing never bothered to post the reasons that Breshke is mafia. Today, she's said "the vigilante is stupid for not claiming" and "I'm not going to cooperate", but she hasn't said "I think that this person is mafia, and here is why". There's no new thought that FarahBlackwing arrived at to explain how she got to a scumread of Breshke. The read change is completely made up. Also, FarahBlackwing's suspicions of Fecalfeast being the vigilante had nothing to do with this at all, as shown by her asking for the vigilante to claim in the same post where she voted for Breshke. | ||
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On November 19 2015 09:58 NocturneMage wrote: This is completely true, I didn't realize that it was assumed the opposite. I'm sorry.also post 1129, Trfel is using the word malicious as in mafia agenda. Not that you were insulting, but your play is mafia play. | ||
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I really hope that all is well with the surgery. | ||
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I don't use meta that much, honestly. My read on scott31337 wasn't really a meta read. My read was, scott31337 isn't trying to solve the game, therefore he's mafia. The only real "meta" part of this read is that scott31337 tries to solve the game as town (if he didn't he would probably be on the ban list). The rest of the read was just explanations and bonus, the above is the core read. I need to go to class in a few minutes, don't know what to think about Damdred yet, but it's probably best to give him some time. ##unvote I definitely need to re-evaluate Breshke and disinformation, I'll do that soon I hope. Exam tomorrow, though, which I really really really really need to study for T.T One more thing, about Eversince, it's not really that I want to try and guess what the hosts will do, but I just don't feel there is enough information to try and read Eversince (especially given that she was likely on drugs when she was posting). I don't even want to try to read her because it seems like a hopeless task. | ||
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Can you summarize what points you're trying to make, so I can actually figure out what you're trying to say? I think you're trying to compare my reads with geript's reads, because geript is flipped town which makes him 100% right. So if I'm town, and I have enough experience, my reads should be the same. Well, this is false, because geript and I are different players and we play differently. We have different opinions on a lot of things and that's simply what works. Geript has this entire "meta sheet" that he used for his reads and I have nothing like that. One example of this is shown in geript's read of The Shining. Geript really disliked FarahBlackwing's townread of The Shining, which I really liked. Look at the obs qt for Battle of the Drams mafia, you can see Damdred and I discussing how to read The Shining for a bit, which is very similar to what FarahBlackwing said. And it's the same as what Damdred said in this game. As for my experience with Breshke, look at Noir Mafia Chapter 3. Breshke was on the lynch table for the entire game. That game, he played below his expectations as town. He doesn't always play his very best (let's be honest, no one does). Don't have time to try and piece through what you're saying in the rest of this, but you're not even addressing the arguments that I've made this game. How can you attempt to say what I "should have known" without looking at my reasoning? | ||
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 I'll try to answer a little more clearly. | ||
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On scott31337 + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2015 01:20 NocturneMage wrote: I believe that the argument is that I have played enough times with scott31337 that I "should have known his meta better". Part 1 of 3: Trfel's expectation on Scott posted previously - link below with previous questions part 1: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=60#1198 geript's initial callout: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=60#1195 The only thing that NocturneMage actually mentioned is quoting a geript post, the relevant parts below:
I didn't attack one post of scott31337's, my reasons for scumreading him were based on his entire filter. I never actually presented a complete case on scott31337, as I thought that his filter spoke for itself. I've demonstrated why the things I brought up are important. For reference, here is my most comprehensive case on scott31337: On November 18 2015 04:52 Trfel wrote: Again, the big point is that nothing he's doing shows any desire to solve the game.Quick Summary of scott31337's Filter Here's the reads summary of scott31337's first post.Why is the "not lynching right now but want to see more" category even included? The reasoning is very lacking. "I'm not seeing the spark" for Eversince's posting, but just read any one Eversince post, it's very obviously pointed and shows a unique mindset. This is a really useless phrase and I don't understand how this is true. This is an extremely useless comment. This says actually nothing. Yet he doesn't unvote until later, and has NEVER come to a conclusion about this. The random unvote timing makes no sense. The lack of analysis of my case makes no sense, he's not even trying. The fact that he repeats this non-argument, useless comment suggests that he's just trying to avoid my argument instead of address it. He can't scumread me and he knows it, but he's avoiding townreading me and avoiding listening to what I have to say. Finally, look at his progression on MoosyDoosy. 1. MoosyDoosy is mafia! 2. MoosyDoosy is town for martyring, he did this last game as mafia 3. Votes MoosyDoosy because he wants to kill lazy town ZERO changed between 2 and 3. Zero. He expected that MoosyDoosy would stop martyring and actually play? Scott31337 shows zero thinking and zero read progression. This is not a town mindset at all. Again, this isn't something that you can debate with meta. If you're not trying to solve the game, you're either mafia or you should be banned. On VisceraEyes + Show Spoiler + I believe that the argument here is that I have played five games with VisceraEyes, and that VisceraEyes always looks scummy and is an easy target. It's true that VisceraEyes doesn't tend to be extremely towny as town, however that doesn't make him an easier lynch target. Mafia motivation is always mafia motivation, regardless of player skill. Much of my case on VisceraEyes directly involved mafia motivation, the rest of it suggested mafia motivation. Again, look at my arguments for scumreading VisceraEyes. On November 17 2015 05:05 Trfel wrote: In this very post, I addressed the meta arguments presented to townread VisceraEyes as I understand them.VisceraEyes (again) Note: Eversince will be addressed in a following post 1. On Eversince and FarahBlackwing Eversince's initial post, voting for The Shining Eversince's later post explaining the clear flaw in the above argument: VisceraEyes responds to this is a way that doesn't make sense at all. Before my case on VisceraEyes and the second post above from Eversince, VisceraEyes posted these posts: These three posts show that VisceraEyes is treating Eversince's first post seriously. He says that he likes Eversince's argument, and that he's townreading Eversince and scumreading FarahBlackwing because of it. Furthermore, he uses this repeatedly in his argument with The Shining, which apparently leads to a scumread of The Shining, shown by this post (among others): After my case and Eversince's post, showing that Eversince's early vote on FarahBlackwing had no basis, VisceraEyes says this:Ok, so he wasn't being serious earlier. Not only did he make a joke, but then he defended his joke several times, to the point of scumreading The Shining for it. I just can't believe this. 2. General For the moment, let's assume that VisceraEyes was in fact joking with his first series of posts, and let's ignore that this makes no sense. VisceraEyes receives a bunch of town reads after he leaves, notably from geript and ritoky. Notice how VisceraEyes leaves in the same minute that geript posts a strong townread of him. VisceraEyes made three posts upon return, shown below: + Show Spoiler [VisceraEyes' Posts] + On November 16 2015 21:14 VisceraEyes wrote: I think it's both...the question itself was a little ambiguous so maybe he just answered it as best he could, including both townreads and mafiareads? On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Also I'm back! ##Unvote I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted. The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you. So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by. On November 16 2015 21:39 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: Fecalfeast JUST IN CASE THERE WAS ANY DOUBT AS TO THE SERIOUSNESS OF MY POST!!!!!! VisceraEyes' next two posts are his thoughts about the game, and the only thoughts about the game that he's posted, assuming that his earlier posts were in jest. He says that he likes most of the people who have been posting (ok, so who doesn't he like then? not useful), and that he doesn't like Fecalfeast. I personally don't really like this Fecalfeast read, but whatever, it's sort of up for interpretation. But this is his ONLY read. Note that he spends a fair amount of this post responding to the townreads he's received. He's very aware of them, and this shows in his play. His activity tanked, he's not being useful or constructive, he made the terrible statement "I like most people who posted so far", which a perfect example of useless and lazy play. 3. Response to meta reads + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 05:50 geript wrote: Hm, people townreading VisceraEyes very strongly with little explanation. Where have I seen this before?I'm not voting for VE ever. This game. Everyone townread VisceraEyes for no reason. I thought VisceraEyes was scum. Everyone ignored me on the basis that "he's town". Guess what, he was scum. In fact, look at VisceraEyes' first post in that game. On August 26 2015 09:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Look familiar?Hi I'm town. Marv playing like Palmar makes me vom a little in my mouth. Otherwise I like most everyone who's posted so far. I don't see how the metareads given about VisceraEyes apply to this game. Either ~80% of his posts in this game were not serious, or he is clearly lying to try and explain his play. Ritoky's meta read has nothing to do with what I have presented, he didn't mention the posts related to this at all. As for geript's: On November 16 2015 06:13 geript wrote: I don't understand this read. I've seen VisceraEyes jump on things and not push them into oblivion as mafia, too. For example, look at the game I linked; VisceraEyes was scumreading both Palmar and I but when Palmar asked him to reread the entire game under the assumption that we were both town and then share his thoughts, he did so (or at least partially did so).Read other VE games. He's really easy to read when he gets semi active. Part of it is based in the fact that VE and I scum hunt rather differently. He takes on an egocentric (in the technical sense not in the asshole sense) view of other players; i.e. How he acts when he's scum and applies it to them. So when you see him jump on certain things in an accusatory way (especially when he's not trying to assream them) he's almost always town. My case stands for itself, I've had enough of random meta. Again, I don't use very much meta. Here's my scumread of VisceraEyes from Gaiden 2. On August 27 2015 17:59 Trfel wrote: In this game I was town and VisceraEyes was mafia.First he votes for WaveofShadow, and then decides to change his vote to MoosyDoosy based on how MoosyDoosy kept talking to WaveofShadow.This isn't a convincing case at all. VisceraEyes starts out by saying that he thinks that MoosyDoosy is pocketing WaveofShadow, but this is reasonable from town, but he gets a bad feeling anyway. Then he says that he can see something that can be considered towny may be able to come from a mafia perspective. And then he says it's better than voting for someone who is AFK. Which results in a vote on MoosyDoosy. VisceraEyes doesn't seem convinced by his own case. And he's downplaying his earlier vote on WaveofShadow, which felt really out of place anyway. I don't understand why he voted for WaveofShadow in the first place. The strength he places in his WaveofShadow read seems to vary a lot: VisceraEyes transitions from voting for WaveofShadow to seemingly being surprised and not having considered that WaveofShadow could be mafia. In this game there were also a ton of people who were townreading VisceraEyes either without giving reasons or giving meta reasons that I can't understand (more on the latter later). They didn't pay any attention to my case, I was forced to give up my VisceraEyes push because it was going nowhere. As for whether VisceraEyes is a good/common target for mafia to push, that's mostly for you to decide. But one thing about VisceraEyes is that there are a ton of people who will use meta to townread VisceraEyes every game he's in, sometimes incorrectly. This is made obvious by Gaiden 2, where my own mason partner Palmar gave an unexplained townread on VisceraEyes which ended up being wrong. There are so many people with experience playing with VisceraEyes that any push on VisceraEyes has to go through a lot of meta townreads first. On Breshke + Show Spoiler + NocturneMage wrote: Huh? Yes, I've seen from Noir Mini Mafia Chapter 3 that Breshke doesn't always play his best as town. But that's EVEN MORE reason to townread him.5 games with Breshke when Breshke was town. That's enough information I feel to realise that Breshke if town here, could be falling below town expectations. I don't understand this point. NocturneMage wrote:so at the very least geript's statement regarding misrepresentation of of Breshke's reads could be valid. I've already explained, many times, that I look at geript's read on Breshke and I look at Breskhe's filter and I see the exact opposite. I've tried to explain this, and I've tried to see what geript was trying to say, but geript never answered me.As I said earlier, the defining characteristic of Breshke's town play, to me, is the smart, insightful comments. Which I've seen this game. Breshke isn't the kind of player who dominates the thread and pushes his lynches through. He's the kind of player who analyzes things, tries to figure things out, and then posts his thinking for everyone else to see, and it's generally really useful. I'm pretty sure that this was discussed in Noir Mafia Chapter 3, if you want proof. It's the same view that rsoultin had about Breshke. Breshke's play this game is a reasonable fit for this description. The one problem with this read (other than the subjectivity) is that in Noir Chapter 3, he didn't provide any analysis that I considered really insightful, and he was town, so the negative isn't a definitive proof of mafia. I hope to re-evaluate Breshke soon anyway, and I will try to ignore my perceptions of Breshke's meta when I do so. Other + Show Spoiler + NocturneMage, you say the case isn't meta, but it's the very definition of meta. Meta is simply information used that comes from outside of the current game. Which is the entirety of this case. Unless I'm wrong on my definition of meta? (that would be pretty miserable, ~18 games on TL Mafia, still doesn't know what meta is...) On a different note, my playstyle and the way I make my reads is rather unique. I don't use a lot of meta. At least, relative to many other players. I don't really know how I make my reads, I don't know where they come from. I try to look for mafia motivations behind everything, but many of my reads don't directly involve mafia motivation. I also don't really use townreads that much, I prefer to simply find mafia. I try to re-evaluate everything for myself; what I can't understand, I can't support. For an example of why this is necessary, look at TL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden. In this game, Palmar flipped mafia. The mafia team took this opportunity to keep on saying "Palmar never busses as mafia, he's always about trying to play a fun game, and to him a fun game is where mafia defends each other. So, anyone that Palmar pushed is town." I didn't have the background to understand this, or why it's a 100% read, but there were so many people saying this that we all ended up going with it. And Palmar had played the game by bussing as much as possible, one of the big things that led to a pretty awful town loss. As for how this applies to this game, I cannot simply accept geript's reads. When I'm not sure of his alignment, when I don't understand how he got his reads, when I'm seeing the exact opposite things that he mentioned, I cannot accept his reads because "he's geript". He never actually addressed the points that I had brought up. Never. NocturneMage's case has a bunch of other flaws caused by not actually reading the games involved. The simplest example of this is that NocturneMage said that I observed a game with scott31337 in it (Generic Boring Mini Mafia). This is technically true, I asked and received access to the obs qt, but I've never actually followed a game that I haven't played in for more than a few hours. I'm just not capable of it. You can look at the obs qt for yourself, see how active I was XD One final point: nothing makes sense without context. Ask any experienced mafia player, they'll tell you that mafia is all about context. Anyone can make any argument at any time, and it doesn't necessarily tell you anything, it's the context of that argument that is so important. You can take a bunch of stuff out of context and make any argument. ANY argument. But that doesn't mean that the argument is correct. NocturneMage's post involves zero context whatsoever. The post does not address any of my actual play this game or my actual reasoning behind my reads. The post does not address what actually happened in the games mentioned. The post does not address how I play mafia, and instead uses this idea of how I should play mafia (I have no clue where this idea even came from). The context leads to a completely different conclusion. | ||
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Scott31337 said that I could be mafia because I'm capable of making a compelling argument as mafia. Scott31337 said that geript is town because he made a post explaining how VisceraEyes' play fit his town meta. (validity of these points aside) The main problem isn't either one of the two points individually, the problem is the points combined. It doesn't make sense for scott31337 to give geript an easy townread and to refuse to townread me or analyze my thought process. | ||
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On November 20 2015 04:16 Damdred wrote: I don't know, this game has been miserable for me. Fighting with geript all of Day 1, only to realize that I've been wrong on three of my biggest suspects this game.Trfel will you tell me who is acum? All this right after I thought I was finally figuring out how to be a good mafia player.... I'll look at Breshke and disformation when I have a chance, but my exam is a much higher priority for me. | ||
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Do you really think that as mafia with a ton of momentum, I'd go into Day 2 and push an un-cc'd blue? Just to back off when they replace out? Instead of all of the other fairly easy targets in the thread? Like, why would mafia ever do this? FarahBlackwing's play made no sense at all, I couldn't possibly see it coming from town. I still can't. If Damdred is town, hopefully mafia will kill him soon. | ||
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So many people with their stupid unexplained reads. Who don't listen to what I have to say. I get ignored all of the time. At least people paid a token of attention to me this game, only to blame me for the mislynch and decide that I'm obviously scum because of it. Clearly it wasn't their fault at all for following me. So. Dumb. | ||
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And now I'm being lynched because "geript said..." When geript didn't do a single towny thing all game long? I don't care that geript's flipped town, that DOES NOT make him right. AS PROVEN BY MY ROLE PM. Use a bit of sense. | ||
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On November 20 2015 07:59 ritoky wrote: I always give replacements a day pass.so who's mafia then? why did you back off damdred if his slot's play made no sense? There's absolutely no reason not to do so. Often times, a replacing player gives a new perspective to the slot's alignment that I simply couldn't see before. I keep looking at Breshke's play, and it seems to be getting worse and worse. The big thing that stands out are the unfulfilled activity promises, he keeps vanishing. But this is exam time for him, he barely signed up to play anyway. Activity aside, his play feels very genuine and there's a natural progression to the way that he pushed his scum reads on Day 1. MoosyDoosy has seemed quite towny with the push on FarahBlackwing, but since Damdred's replacement MoosyDoosy has been pretty awful. The claim included. Shooting someone for information is terrible. But I don't see any reason for him to claim there as mafia, he wasn't really suspected by anyone and the bad claim can only hurt him in the end. By process of elimination, I'm down to disformation, Fecalfeast, Damdred, and Eversince. The last two of which are terrible lynches today for reasons previously mentioned. | ||
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On November 20 2015 08:03 Fecalfeast wrote: Really?I'd be more comfortable lynching breshke over angry!trfel I need to take a look at a few things, but you'd better not go anywhere.... | ||
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Here the posts that Fecalfeast has made this game that show his read progression. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 08:33 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm not really reading too closely. Watching CFL with my dad and bro. Tone/feel reads telling me farah is town, geript is town, disform is mafia ever is towny... Refs in this game are blind On November 16 2015 08:34 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh disforms ninja post is fine for now. On November 17 2015 05:36 Fecalfeast wrote: VE you have me on steam lol my buddy hasn't done any of the online stuff yet I'm mostly skimming here but I side with trfel on VE for sure. town: ritoky trfel nocturne mafia: moose ve that's all I got On November 17 2015 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote: ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him On November 17 2015 08:21 Fecalfeast wrote: He's explained his reasoning for voting me further and my earlier scumread was entirely sheeped from trfel On November 17 2015 08:44 Fecalfeast wrote: ##unvote I'm going to completely ignore moose for the rest of this game but I believe that he is really being that much of a female dog about rolling town. On November 17 2015 09:47 Fecalfeast wrote: I hosted the game where he bused the dick off his whole team as mafia. He legitimately seems like a player who much prefers scum play over town play. That said, I also agree with the idea that giving him a free pass for throwing a tantrum is lame. Fuck it ##vote mooseydoosey On November 17 2015 09:56 Fecalfeast wrote: scott's filter is unappetizing and stingily portioned. 0 stars out of 5 On November 17 2015 10:12 Fecalfeast wrote: I could kill scott if we're gonna ignore moose again On November 17 2015 11:49 Fecalfeast wrote: If I were scum and moose was town, I'd be laughing it up in scum qt right now about how, unless he gets vigged, we have a guaranteed mislynch in lylo. Which means we should probably get rid of him sooner than later. On November 19 2015 08:39 Fecalfeast wrote: 1. Unless someone claims a vig shot on Geript, he was the only one adamant about trfel being scum and was getting upset that nobody listened to him. 2. His day 1 suspicions from his filter: VE, Moose, Scott, Me. I know 3/4 of those are town 100% while moose is showing some towny play since yesterday. 3. Totally willing to vote an uncc'd blue because she's martyring. On November 19 2015 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote: I can't say I'm tunneled on you trfel but right now that's where my brain is. I've only just been in your filter and i will take a closer look later. I've still got shit to do right now tho On November 20 2015 07:50 Fecalfeast wrote: I will kill bresh or trfel because geript confirmed the mafia kill makes it more likely he was offed for his reads, since mafia knows we have a vet* they wouldn't worry about a medic dodge. *assuming farah's claim was real On November 20 2015 08:03 Fecalfeast wrote: I'd be more comfortable lynching breshke over angry!trfel So, there are a few trends shown by the above posts. 1. Whoever posts is town
The disinformation post that caused Fecalfeast to change his read isn't that great. It's the first actual reads post that disinformation has made all game, and it was only made on request. But this caused a dramatic change in Fecalfeast's read? Enough to make him never seriously discuss disformation again? The way he downplayed his scumread on VisceraEyes is terrible. "I side with trfel on VE for sure", leading to a townread on Trfel and a scumread on VisceraEyes. Then, "ve seems ok now that i'm interacting with him" and "He's explained his reasoning for voting me further and my earlier scumread was entirely sheeped from trfel". First, VisceraEyes' Fecalfeast read wasn't a part of my case on VisceraEyes. The fact that this is what Fecalfeast mentioned, while also saying that his scumread came purely from my case, does not make sense at all. For MoosyDoosy, his reasons are debatable, but the important thing is that he voted for MoosyDoosy again later. More on this later. At the same time as Fecalfeast backed off of me (Trfel), he pushed onto Breshke. And he hadn't mentioned Breshke before. This push came out of nowhere. He said he'd rather lynch Breshke because I was "angry". Every single time, there's a person who makes some posts, and Fecalfeast removes his scumread on that person. This is every single time that Fecalfeast has removed a scumread on someone. This reeks of "don't hurt me, I'm not scumreading you!" 2. "Decision" about Day 1 lynch target Fecalfeast first includes MoosyDoosy as mafia in his list (no reason given), then votes MoosyDoosy for martyring. Then he unvotes MoosyDoosy because he thinks MoosyDoosy is just that obnoxious when he rolls town. At this point, Fecalfeast had zero scum reads. So, he went back and voted for MoosyDoosy again, reasoning being that "giving him a free pass for throwing a tantrum is lame". It's noteworthy that at this time, there was a lot of push for lynching MoosyDoosy. This vote on MoosyDoosy is extremely opportunistic and seems to be a patch for Fecalfeast having zero reads. Ritoky, one of the game's highest-influence players, then says that MoosyDoosy is exempt from being lynched. Fecalfeast immediately says he will look into scott31337. And then says he could kill scott31337. He doesn't care one bit about who is lynched, which is shown by his post saying that town ignoring MoosyDoosy causes them to automatically lose LYLO if MoosyDoosy is town, but ultimately vote for scott31337 instead of MoosyDoosy with no new reasons presented. The progression is basically:
3. Other factors I don't really have time to explain this as in detail, but namely his play on Day 3. He said that he didn't like disformation, but he never followed up on this or explained this at all. He said that I (Trfel) was suspicious primarily because of night kill analysis, but never actually addressed any of my posts or arguments like I asked him to, and like he said he would. Then he moved to Breshke, who he only mentioned once before in his filter, with a TOWN LEAN. Okay. Conclusion Fecalfeast is always taking the easy route, always making the easy reads. He's always keeping one scum read and when that stops being easy, he's just moving to the new easy scum read. His apathy towards the Day 1 lynch between two townies and forced read switches are extremely suspicious. | ||
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Yup. I guess Fecalfeast is never mafia, because he doesn't have any scumreads, so he can't ever be wrong. Because being wrong makes you scum. | ||
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