Newbie Student Mafia XVII: Fullmetal Edition - Page 5

On November 21 2015 10:09 ritoky wrote:
yo shining, imagine a world i am town (like i did earlier w/ you and cuz it is the real world) what 3 lynches win the game?

On November 21 2015 10:11 ritoky wrote:
disform's read have been flipping on a dime all game based on thread sentiment; it is nothing new. he is probably just easily influenced town though cuz of the post where he suggested lynching himself early and his sheeping onto breshke day 1. of non-conf town he is the most town in the game; not even close to being close.

On November 21 2015 10:19 Fecalfeast wrote:

What I'm getting is that he's too scummy to be scum?

On November 21 2015 10:22 ritoky wrote:


basically in the rules it states:

"The homunculli will know which of these is accurate, but members of the State will not."

meaning the mafia knew the game setup from the start. this means they knew there was no investigative power. assuming they are players with brains this means hard i expect less hard aligning from mafia. trfel pretty much hard defended breshke day 1; and then on day 2 tried to push off of breshke against an overwhelming majority onto a lynch clearly no1 was getting on board at the time. so pretty much you have to assume they hard aligned after knowing the setup and how it was not beneficial to hard align, then instead of going for credit and lynching his partner he pushed against every town read of his onto someone he thought was scum.

there's another point but i forgot it and am getting rdy for work.

also his passion when ppl wanted to lynch him are the feelz

On November 21 2015 10:28 ritoky wrote:


Normally it is a scum tell yes. But he is a new player right? And haven't like all other new players subbed out of this game so this is basically a 0 newbie game? I can see being swayed. Idk, maybe...it is just hard for me to see many new players have the gusto to suggest lynching themselves immediately. And he was very quick onto breshke...also kinda quick off too.

On November 21 2015 10:32 Fecalfeast wrote:
NM/ever/trfel are the easy, low hanging fruit since none of them voted breshke. If we ignore ever for the moment because she obviously missed the entire day rather than consciously voting off wagon AND we go with the trfel is hard aligning with scum and therefore not scum, there HAS to be scum on breshke's wagon. Which leaves shining and ritoky and disform.

YUCK

On November 22 2015 09:44 disformation wrote:


I currently feel like Trfel has pulled so many strange plays, I won't be able to figure out his alignment unless he flips...

Current PoE is:

Trfel, FF, ritoky, Onegu

Unless The Shining or NM have played a very good game and managed to pull some wool over my eyes. Will probably read their filters again tomorrow to make sure.

Could the game be stupid and really simple with a Breshke/Trfel/Onegu team?

On November 22 2015 06:38 NocturneMage wrote:
Got interrupted.

For Shining, he brings up good points in 1466 and 1472 and I don't think those plus the rebuttal in 1479 could come from scum.

Also Breshke defending Shining doesn't really make Shining mafia, he can't control what Breshke does.

So I'm on post 1469, where ritoky is posting to Shining. Two things I'm looking at closely.

#2 if I remember the timing right Shining not playing at the time cited wasn't alignment indicative since he doesn't play Mondays and Tuesdays. I wasn't sure at the time if ritoky was just ignorant of this or if he didn't know about that and he was just voting people or putting in a lynch list he wasn't sure of. Him fighting with Eversince for being under anesthesia doesn't mean he's mafia though if you looked at the reasonings why. The excuses aren't mafia in of themselves, but why he voted him over Scott, who knows.

second



is another reason as to why this setup reason is why he's backing off Trfel. But most critically is that post when he tries to push Trfel over Breshke and he says "Trfel has done scummy things, Breshke has not done anything."

I backtracked to when around the time ritoky "gave up" and decided to vote Breshke based on the FF case. He asked Trfel about an hour after he made his post pushing Trfel for a list of reasons and that was before he read the two cases.

Well the point of Breshke "not doing much of anything" was effectively in Fecalfeast's filter when he said "this filter is random, I want him to explain" (post 1287) and that was the long case on Breshke.

But the real issue is that FF's case on Breshke was on day 1 material. When ritoky pushed trfel day 2, his pushing Trfel day 2 was based on "Trfel doign scummy things nad Breshke not really doing anything" with that activity on day 1.

Why did it take Fecalfeast casing Breshke for ritoky to actually make the conclusion he did on Breshke when the material wasn't new and it was the same material at the time he was pushing Trfel that made Breshke less mafia than Trfel (in ritoky's view)? That gets me.

It actually makes sense for Trfel to even comment what he did - Fecalfeast pushing Breshke? "that's the easiest push in the world." So Trfel suspecting Fecalfeast actually makes Trfel less mafia (for me) and makes me question why ritoky actually didn't try to lynch Fecalfeast (or push him) if the case's material/basis was for material that didn't make him suspect compared to Trfel to begin with. After all he liked Trfel's case on Fecalfeast.

So that doesn't add up for ritoky.