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On October 22 2015 06:01 Vivax wrote: You're wearing no pants on your head, you must be scum. It's true, I can't argue with that. Where are your pants though? | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:01 Xatalos wrote: The pressure is real Are you feeling pressure, Xatalos? | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:12 Onegu wrote: Just got home. Now it's naptime. I am VT... Yamato got you some actuall red bull and some ramen, I'll get it to you at some point. Nap time. Also just saw will be playing with someone from my very first newbie game. Nice. Fun fact: my very first newbie game was with yamato. This is basically a reunion. | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:16 Xatalos wrote: Heh. I'd imagine your question is based on an invalid assumption. And what would that be? The assumption that you're mafia? | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:21 Xatalos wrote: What did you think the "pressure" was referring to? That's what I was originally asking. My first assumption was that you were feeling pressure now that the game's started. | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:31 gumshoe wrote: me no play long time / : I'm all pent up, but aside from that, it wasn't ballsy at all. You set the value of the vote. That value is equivalent to that of a hat. Atm voting for someone is the equivalent of storing your hat on a rack. Basically for the first day we all have awesome racks but shitty hats. As the game goes on, our racks will deteriorate, the wood changing from fine oak to base mahogany, but our hats shall grow in splendor. Soon they will be both outlandish and dignified. Not just one flavor, but two in conjunction. Chocolate and Vannila in perfect harmony. Vivax would you consider yourself a prickly dude? Do you think vivax is mafia? | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:31 Xatalos wrote: It was mainly referring to the pressure on the votecount tool (with the harsh voting rules requiring its perfect functioning etc.). Well, I'm pretty confident in it after so many test games. Oh. That makes a lot of sense. Why should we lynch gumshoe? | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote: Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition. In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat. 1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum. 2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_- 3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health. we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely. ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good) Who do you think we should lynch then? | ||
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On October 22 2015 06:45 Vivax wrote: I want to townread you for this post but that would be a bit premature for a decisive guess. Why do you think this post is town? I don't think it's alignment indicative. | ||
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- gumshoe feels really town, especially that last post. The way he rambles shows a town thought process in his posts. - I don't think BH has done anything alignment indicative and I don't understand why people are reading him town. - I liked when rayn said, "Chrom would be town if I hadn't been scum with him before", I think that statement usually comes from someone honestly trying to read me (i.e. town). - Hopeless' entrance felt awkward to me, did not like it. - Xatalos is town for driving discussion and the stuff he says comes from a town perspective, probably Vivax too for similar reasons. If anyone has questions I'd love to hear them because an uncomfortable amount of people seem to think I'm mafia and I don't like it.  | ||
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On October 22 2015 07:18 Xatalos wrote: Well so far Blazinghand and Vivax feel town. ritoky too? Not as sure about Chromatically yet. yamato and gumshoe are in the gray area. Of course, rayn = scum. On October 22 2015 07:13 Vivax wrote: Xatalos ritoky Blazinghand gumshoe Yamato: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://cdn.hitfix.com/photos/5621843/Grumpy-Cat.jpg) and rayn gets pranked On October 22 2015 07:19 ritoky wrote: town in descending order: alakaslam - lord of chupazi. hasn't posted. looked into his soul with eye of chupazi, have seen truth. blazinghand - chupazitron 40000, nuker of the brown bunker ritoky - apostle of chupazi, still in training xatalos - clicked on filter links | ||
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I do think mafia would rather not townread him than townread him anyway though. | ||
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ritoky I've talked about a bit already and I stand by what I said. Someone argued that mafia would rather just blend in with what's going on and sheep someone but I disagree. In my experience, mafia feel too uncomfortable just sheeping a read and leaving. They would rather jump on something that's easy to call out in order to seem proactive and "townie" (I did exactly this as mafia in Order 66). ritoky gives a textbook reason for scumreading gumshoe (editing posts + joking?) on a very easy target to call out (especially since gumshoe is mislynched a lot) when I have never looked at an edited post and thought "this really looks like mafia". I think it's more likely to come from a mafia looking for "tells" to call someone out on than a town honestly looking for who they believe are mafia. Everything else ritoky has posted has just been filler intended to look like contribution: On October 22 2015 07:03 ritoky wrote: as someone who impersonated BH recently, BH is town until he does something egregious enough to be considered not town. evidence: as mafia - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?user=Blazinghand http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/463542-cell-mini-mafia-iii?user=Blazinghand http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/449782-yuma-mini-mafia?user=Blazinghand as town - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?user=Blazinghand http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?user=Blazinghand http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461330-noir-mini-mafia-chapter-2?user=Blazinghand we done here? For example, these are just links to BH's filters; ritoky doesn't give any opinion about his alignment. Some people have said they get a town feel from his posts and I don't see that at all. This post: On October 22 2015 06:44 ritoky wrote: bh sleeping on me winning 6 of my 7 games as mafia on these forums made me die a little inside. is ego-indicative but not alignment-indicative. Hopeless I thought had the most awkward entrance into the thread out of everyone: This felt to me like a mafia that really didn't know how to insert themselves into the conversation, so they reply to someone with a joke in a way that makes them seem a little "involved". He also votes rayn for RNG, which is obviously very easy to do as mafia. He then posts a lot, but doesn't say anything relevant to the game. He seems to me like mafia trying to blend in and interact with people, because he's only posting things that are very easy for mafia to post (nothing about reads/alignments). yamato has already been talked about a bit, his entrance was awkward and he's done nothing other than respond when Vivax pressures him. I haven't gone in depth on his meta but I know he's supposed to be much less active as mafia and that fits here. | ||
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