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On October 22 2015 07:04 Xatalos wrote:
Dunno. I really don't know how gumshoe should be read. You know? I remember him being a really inactive/bad town once and he was basically policy lynched. Then he was extremely similar as scum and managed to survive like that (I even defended him because of him being similar as town earlier lol). Here he's surprisingly actually posting stuff... Or has he started generally posting lately?
He used to be a very talkative townie, the walls o text type of townie. I think the policy lynch thingy was an exception, and seeing a wall of text posted makes me already feel better about him in this game.
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On October 22 2015 07:05 Xatalos wrote:Not quite sure what the bolded means?
generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta.
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On October 22 2015 07:04 Chromatically wrote:I don't like ritoky so far. The stuff ritoky is saying to me is more of a "textbook" mafia tell that ends up not being very relevant in an actual game, coupled with the fact that he used it to jump on an easy target early on. From a mafia perspective, it would be easy to jump into the thread and give a "read" on someone like gumshoe based on a tell. Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 06:45 Vivax wrote:On October 22 2015 06:44 ritoky wrote:
bh sleeping on me winning 6 of my 7 games as mafia on these forums made me die a little inside. I want to townread you for this post but that would be a bit premature for a decisive guess. Why do you think this post is town? I don't think it's alignment indicative.
Hm... I still kind of like the active approach he had. It would be easier to just sheep / bandwagon / blend in without raising original topics as scum than to push an early case.
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On October 22 2015 07:08 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 07:04 Chromatically wrote:I don't like ritoky so far. The stuff ritoky is saying to me is more of a "textbook" mafia tell that ends up not being very relevant in an actual game, coupled with the fact that he used it to jump on an easy target early on. From a mafia perspective, it would be easy to jump into the thread and give a "read" on someone like gumshoe based on a tell. On October 22 2015 06:45 Vivax wrote:On October 22 2015 06:44 ritoky wrote:
bh sleeping on me winning 6 of my 7 games as mafia on these forums made me die a little inside. I want to townread you for this post but that would be a bit premature for a decisive guess. Why do you think this post is town? I don't think it's alignment indicative. Hm... I still kind of like the active approach he had. It would be easier to just sheep / bandwagon / blend in without raising original topics as scum than to push an early case.
This on top of the feels from his posts.
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On October 22 2015 07:06 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 07:04 Xatalos wrote:
Dunno. I really don't know how gumshoe should be read. You know? I remember him being a really inactive/bad town once and he was basically policy lynched. Then he was extremely similar as scum and managed to survive like that (I even defended him because of him being similar as town earlier lol). Here he's surprisingly actually posting stuff... Or has he started generally posting lately? He used to be a very talkative townie, the walls o text type of townie. I think the policy lynch thingy was an exception, and seeing a wall of text posted makes me already feel better about him in this game.
Hm... I've only ever seen him being semi-permanently AFK.
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On October 22 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 07:05 Xatalos wrote:Not quite sure what the bolded means? generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta.
Is it really the case that he pushes RNG as town and not as scum? :D If so, that's a pretty ridiculous meta hahaha
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On October 22 2015 07:10 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:On October 22 2015 07:05 Xatalos wrote:Not quite sure what the bolded means? generally speaking he doesn't rng as mafia, but i wouldn't put it past him to break meta. Is it really the case that he pushes RNG as town and not as scum? :D If so, that's a pretty ridiculous meta hahaha
i provided the links, feel free to click them at your leisure
+ Show Spoiler +#battraps failed, no1 called me a hypocrite/mafia for intentionally adding an extra line to my post
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On October 22 2015 07:00 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it. Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition. In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat. 1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum. 2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_- 3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health. we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely. ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good) Well I think it's better than the standard "hi" / "I'm town" openings 
Bh, question, if your town please be honest : D were you planning this from the get go? Did you have your post pre written? When did you conceive the idea to use the random tl tag info? Would you have done this if you were mafia?
if this was all pre thought up (which it seems to me it was) than it might not be any better than a glorified "hi, im town."
not that this at all detracts from your argument for rng(which has it's convincing points but I still feel is a last resort) it's the possibility of you using this opening banter as an aegis that worries mah / :
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Well so far Blazinghand and Vivax feel town. ritoky too? Not as sure about Chromatically yet. yamato and gumshoe are in the gray area.
Of course, rayn = scum.
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town in descending order:
alakaslam - lord of chupazi. hasn't posted. looked into his soul with eye of chupazi, have seen truth.
blazinghand - chupazitron 40000, nuker of the brown bunker
ritoky - apostle of chupazi, still in training
xatalos - clicked on filter links
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Yeah Vivax is quite likely town here. I remember seeing him 2 times as scum and both times he was pretty much just actively lurking / avoiding doing stuff. I think I also saw him as town once and there he was activelly discussing about a variety of stuff, kind of like here. So yeah, probably town I think.
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On October 22 2015 07:19 ritoky wrote:
town in descending order:
alakaslam - lord of chupazi. hasn't posted. looked into his soul with eye of chupazi, have seen truth.
blazinghand - chupazitron 40000, nuker of the brown bunker
ritoky - apostle of chupazi, still in training
xatalos - clicked on filter links
LOL
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Blazinghand
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On October 22 2015 07:15 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 07:00 Xatalos wrote:On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it. Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition. In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat. 1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum. 2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_- 3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health. we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely. ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good) Well I think it's better than the standard "hi" / "I'm town" openings Bh, question, if your town please be honest : D were you planning this from the get go? Did you have your post pre written? When did you conceive the idea to use the random tl tag info? Would you have done this if you were mafia? if this was all pre thought up (which it seems to me it was) than it might not be any better than a glorified "hi, im town." not that this at all detracts from your argument for rng(which has it's convincing points but I still feel is a last resort) it's the possibility of you using this opening banter as an aegis that worries mah / :
"From the get go" --> I wasn't particularly thinking of using RNG, but it's one of my most useful tools for hunting and lynching scum. I'd say I use it more often than not nowadays when I play. When the game started, I was like "you know what would be great here? Given the setup and the player list, this is perfect for RNG" and then I did it.
"pre written" --> I copied/pasted it from the last time I used RNG, then filled in the names and list size from this game. The second RNG post where I announced the result, I also copied/pasted, so in a sense, yes, this was prewritten
"when did you think of random tl tag info?" --> I first thought of this idea in September of 2013, and I used it for the first time in November 2013. Since then I've used it probably 5-10 times in games here on TL.
"would you have done this if you were mafia?" --> the answer to this question is always "yes". I'm willing to lie, cheat, steal, doctor photographs, put items in boxes, fake plane tickets, pretend to have depression, a death in the family, etc, whatever it takes to win regardless of alignment. I'm one of the few players that does not pull punches as mafia. So yes, as mafia, I'd be fully willing to RNG if I percieved it to be a good idea (which it isn't; I've outlined why RNG is pro-town this game)
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
by "cheat" btw I mean "cheat on my spouse" not "cheat at mafia", since cheating at mafia is unforgiveable. you get the idea though.
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On October 22 2015 07:26 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 07:15 gumshoe wrote:On October 22 2015 07:00 Xatalos wrote:On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it. Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition. In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat. 1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum. 2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_- 3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health. we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely. ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good) Well I think it's better than the standard "hi" / "I'm town" openings Bh, question, if your town please be honest : D were you planning this from the get go? Did you have your post pre written? When did you conceive the idea to use the random tl tag info? Would you have done this if you were mafia? if this was all pre thought up (which it seems to me it was) than it might not be any better than a glorified "hi, im town." not that this at all detracts from your argument for rng(which has it's convincing points but I still feel is a last resort) it's the possibility of you using this opening banter as an aegis that worries mah / : "From the get go" --> I wasn't particularly thinking of using RNG, but it's one of my most useful tools for hunting and lynching scum. I'd say I use it more often than not nowadays when I play. When the game started, I was like "you know what would be great here? Given the setup and the player list, this is perfect for RNG" and then I did it. "pre written" --> I copied/pasted it from the last time I used RNG, then filled in the names and list size from this game. The second RNG post where I announced the result, I also copied/pasted, so in a sense, yes, this was prewritten "when did you think of random tl tag info?" --> I first thought of this idea in September of 2013, and I used it for the first time in November 2013. Since then I've used it probably 5-10 times in games here on TL. "would you have done this if you were mafia?" --> the answer to this question is always "yes". I'm willing to lie, cheat, steal, doctor photographs, put items in boxes, fake plane tickets, pretend to have depression, a death in the family, etc, whatever it takes to win regardless of alignment. I'm one of the few players that does not pull punches as mafia. So yes, as mafia, I'd be fully willing to RNG if I percieved it to be a good idea (which it isn't; I've outlined why RNG is pro-town this game)
You need to go deeper. Shouldn't you pursue RNG as scum so that people think you're so pro-town?
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On October 22 2015 07:27 Blazinghand wrote:
by "cheat" btw I mean "cheat on my spouse" not "cheat at mafia", since cheating at mafia is unforgiveable. you get the idea though.
I'm waiting for the day you say you can't play cause your wife is chasing you with a rolling pin.
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