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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 21 2015 22:34 GMT
#281
Well I think yamato is probably the most disturbing one of those who have already posted. It's basically nothing but empty complaining. My vote might go to him soon... Though I kind of don't want to abandon the rayn train.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 21 2015 22:34 GMT
#282
On October 22 2015 07:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wait


Surprise
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 21 2015 22:37 GMT
#283
Day 1 Votecount

raynpelikoneet (3): Blazinghand, Xatalos, Vivax

Not Voting (10): marvellosity, gumshoe, GlowingBear, Hopeless1der, raynpelikoneet, Onegu, Chromatically, Alakaslam, ritoky, yamato77
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 21 2015 22:38 GMT
#284
On October 22 2015 07:13 Vivax wrote:
Xatalos
ritoky
Blazinghand
gum
shoe

Yamato:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


and rayn gets pranked


Hm so you think gumshoe is lightly town? I guess his attempt at playing so far has been decent compared to my past experiences with him......
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 22:41 GMT
#285
mmmm
table for two on a tv tray
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
October 21 2015 22:42 GMT
#286
On October 22 2015 07:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wait

When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 22:43 GMT
#287
hi bh
table for two on a tv tray
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 21 2015 22:43 GMT
#288
When you stare into the Chupazi, the Chupazi stares back.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 21 2015 22:43 GMT
#289
well, i read the thread. quite pleasant.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 22:44 GMT
#290
i have a couple of townreads.
waiting of scum to post.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 22:44 GMT
#291
marv plz be town ok?
table for two on a tv tray
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 21 2015 22:44 GMT
#292
On October 22 2015 07:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i have a couple of townreads.
waiting of scum to post.

which 2?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
October 21 2015 22:46 GMT
#293
I like where this is going
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 22:46 GMT
#294
On October 22 2015 07:44 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 07:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i have a couple of townreads.
waiting of scum to post.

which 2?

xatalos vivax.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 22:46 GMT
#295
oh fuck and ritoky
table for two on a tv tray
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 21 2015 22:46 GMT
#296
On October 22 2015 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 07:44 marvellosity wrote:
On October 22 2015 07:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i have a couple of townreads.
waiting of scum to post.

which 2?

xatalos vivax.

good, me too

but not ritoky
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
October 21 2015 22:47 GMT
#297
I think he meant which 2 scum cause he's already scumreading a dude. A very particular dude.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 22:47 GMT
#298
On October 22 2015 07:46 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 22 2015 07:44 marvellosity wrote:
On October 22 2015 07:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i have a couple of townreads.
waiting of scum to post.

which 2?

xatalos vivax.

good, me too

but not ritoky

bad.
table for two on a tv tray
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
October 21 2015 22:47 GMT
#299
Oh cmon :/
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
October 21 2015 22:47 GMT
#300
On October 22 2015 07:29 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 07:26 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 22 2015 07:15 gumshoe wrote:
On October 22 2015 07:00 Xatalos wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it.


Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition.

In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat.

1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum.

2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_-

3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health.

we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely.

ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good)


Well I think it's better than the standard "hi" / "I'm town" openings


Bh, question, if your town please be honest : D were you planning this from the get go? Did you have your post pre written? When did you conceive the idea to use the random tl tag info? Would you have done this if you were mafia?

if this was all pre thought up (which it seems to me it was) than it might not be any better than a glorified "hi, im town."

not that this at all detracts from your argument for rng(which has it's convincing points but I still feel is a last resort) it's the possibility of you using this opening banter as an aegis that worries mah / :





"From the get go" --> I wasn't particularly thinking of using RNG, but it's one of my most useful tools for hunting and lynching scum. I'd say I use it more often than not nowadays when I play. When the game started, I was like "you know what would be great here? Given the setup and the player list, this is perfect for RNG" and then I did it.

"pre written" --> I copied/pasted it from the last time I used RNG, then filled in the names and list size from this game. The second RNG post where I announced the result, I also copied/pasted, so in a sense, yes, this was prewritten

"when did you think of random tl tag info?" --> I first thought of this idea in September of 2013, and I used it for the first time in November 2013. Since then I've used it probably 5-10 times in games here on TL.

"would you have done this if you were mafia?" --> the answer to this question is always "yes". I'm willing to lie, cheat, steal, doctor photographs, put items in boxes, fake plane tickets, pretend to have depression, a death in the family, etc, whatever it takes to win regardless of alignment. I'm one of the few players that does not pull punches as mafia. So yes, as mafia, I'd be fully willing to RNG if I percieved it to be a good idea (which it isn't; I've outlined why RNG is pro-town this game)


You need to go deeper. Shouldn't you pursue RNG as scum so that people think you're so pro-town?


Absolutely. Now that I know that people think it's a towntell for me I will 100% do this next time I'm scum. I will always abuse town's trust as scum, and why not? Anythning that people say "BH never does this as scum, only as town", I will do it as scum, because it WORKS.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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