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On October 22 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it. Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition. In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat. 1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum. 2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_- 3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health. we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely. ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good) this. this is a big post of nonsense.
yes
somehow feels like gumshoe could easily post it as town though
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On October 22 2015 07:55 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 22 2015 07:54 Xatalos wrote:On October 22 2015 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 22 2015 07:49 marvellosity wrote:
you'll forgive me if i don't take your word for it :> i wanna lynch gumshoe tbh. maybe that's just me. chromatically would be town if i had not been mafia with him b4. hmmm.. idk.... yamato yamato.... Have you played with gumshoe before when he has actually... you know, played? :D yes And how would you characterize his meta? My experience has been basically "scummy lurker as either alignment". Would also like to know why you put ritoky as town as especially marv.
ritoky said something that is townie.
marv is a clear cut, cmon? (in b4 he calls me scum for this)
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On October 22 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it. Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition. In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat. 1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum. 2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_- 3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health. we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely. ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good) this. this is a big post of nonsense.
Well that's true....
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On October 22 2015 07:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it. Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition. In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat. 1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum. 2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_- 3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health. we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely. ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good) this. this is a big post of nonsense. yes somehow feels like gumshoe could easily post it as town though
but i know he has this "i think town!gumshoe would think this" thingy 
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I feel like marv is town too, the fact he cared so much about the rack and hats post is one reason, as bad or odd as it might sound. I actually wanted to write something very similar and then didn't to write something else, as things go.
Not that it matters much for D1 cause we just vote yamato and if he doesn't do anything that looks like he cares he's mafia.
I'm also mildly suspicious of Chrom but that can wait.
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On October 22 2015 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 07:57 marvellosity wrote:On October 22 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it. Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition. In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat. 1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum. 2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_- 3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health. we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely. ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good) this. this is a big post of nonsense. yes somehow feels like gumshoe could easily post it as town though but i know he has this "i think town!gumshoe would think this" thingy
that's getting a bit meta for me 
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On October 22 2015 07:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 07:55 Xatalos wrote:On October 22 2015 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 22 2015 07:54 Xatalos wrote:On October 22 2015 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 22 2015 07:49 marvellosity wrote:
you'll forgive me if i don't take your word for it :> i wanna lynch gumshoe tbh. maybe that's just me. chromatically would be town if i had not been mafia with him b4. hmmm.. idk.... yamato yamato.... Have you played with gumshoe before when he has actually... you know, played? :D yes And how would you characterize his meta? My experience has been basically "scummy lurker as either alignment". Would also like to know why you put ritoky as town as especially marv. ritoky said something that is townie. marv is a clear cut, cmon? (in b4 he calls me scum for this)
The first sentence is super clear :D
I think I had some heuristic for reading marv before but I lost it :D In any case, I think he's skilled enough to beat a heuristic I would think of... I think Blazinghand might have had a point with his post about marv probably being more excited if he rolled town here after playing many scum games or something (so far he's seemed relatively excited I guess).
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On October 22 2015 07:59 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 22 2015 07:57 marvellosity wrote:On October 22 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it. Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition. In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat. 1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum. 2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_- 3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health. we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely. ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good) this. this is a big post of nonsense. yes somehow feels like gumshoe could easily post it as town though but i know he has this "i think town!gumshoe would think this" thingy that's getting a bit meta for me
mmm i know, it's nothing too much.
i just don't think anyone is scum atm.
maybe yamato?
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Feels like Chrom didn't really enter the spirit of the game when he was around, or maybe he's just naturally too serious to engage with others when it felt to me like it was a good position to just post something for funzies.
Kind of a transcendent way for me to read him.
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On October 22 2015 08:00 Xatalos wrote:
I think I had some heuristic for reading marv before but I lost it :D In any case, I think he's skilled enough to beat a heuristic I would think of...
no no no.
not here.
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The Finns invented some special way to read marv they don't want to share?
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Well if all of rayn, marv, Vivax and BH are town... This might just turn into a repeat of the previous faceroll game lol (PYP something)
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On October 22 2015 08:01 Vivax wrote:
Feels like Chrom didn't really enter the spirit of the game when he was around, or maybe he's just naturally too serious to engage with others when it felt to me like it was a good position to just post something for funzies.
Kind of a transcendent way for me to read him.
Chromatically is good as scum. I know it.
idk... feel free to pressure, i don't mind.
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On October 22 2015 08:02 Vivax wrote:
The Finns invented some special way to read marv they don't want to share?
ROFLMAO
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On October 22 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it. Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition. In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat. 1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum. 2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_- 3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health. we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely. ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good) this. this is a big post of nonsense.
this is basically you saying welcome back : D . I'll tldr the post. I think bh's argument for random makes sense coming out of scum only if you except town not to listen(or you can sabotage the rng) and makes sense out of town only if your trying to look substancey and dont actually think it'll come to a random lynch. So I dont think BH honestly wants an rng lynch / : cause that would be silly, even in a game with good scum. What does that say for his alignment? Not much at all. Basically at the time I didnt think bhs actions meant he was townie, just that he was being active and probably insincere.
I might be totally wrong about but such is the risks of early reads. But yeah, rng is silly, case in point your on the chopping block right now for no reason. Do you think your scum? Do you think BH is derp? if no to both this statements then mine has at least as much chance to be true as there is to lynch into you and hit maf.
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On October 22 2015 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 08:01 Vivax wrote:
Feels like Chrom didn't really enter the spirit of the game when he was around, or maybe he's just naturally too serious to engage with others when it felt to me like it was a good position to just post something for funzies.
Kind of a transcendent way for me to read him. Chromatically is good as scum. I know it. idk... feel free to pressure, i don't mind.
Yeah I think I thought he was town until the end in the GoT game. He played well there.
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Is like. gumshoe was super serious when he was here but not so serious after all.
I kinda don't wanna vote for him because he has just came back from a break... but *sigh*
from the posters, i think he is mafia.
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Hmm... Could be I guess... It's more a process of elimination than anything genuinely scummy though.
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On October 22 2015 08:04 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it. Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition. In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat. 1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum. 2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_- 3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health. we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely. ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good) this. this is a big post of nonsense. this is basically you saying welcome back : D . I'll tldr the post. I think bh's argument for random makes sense coming out of scum only if you except town not to listen(or you can sabotage the rng) and makes sense out of town only if your trying to look substancey and dont actually think it'll come to a random lynch. So I dont think BH honestly wants an rng lynch / : cause that would be silly, even in a game with good scum. What does that say for his alignment? Not much at all. Basically at the time I didnt think bhs actions meant he was townie, just that he was being active and probably insincere. I might be totally wrong about but such is the risks of early reads. But yeah, rng is silly, case in point your on the chopping block right now for no reason. Do you think your scum? Do you think BH is derp? if no to both this statements then mine has at least as much chance to be true as there is to lynch into you and hit maf.
Rather than reposting the useless post, why not share your opinions on something that matters? Like your reads?
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