• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:35
CEST 15:35
KST 22:35
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-66SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-63PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August)11Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE15
StarCraft 2
General
August World Ranking: Clem climbs to #2 Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week Life's Huge Gambling Spree After IEM Katowice 2014
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event INu's Battles #19 2-Days Event SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-6
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance
Brood War
General
Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game BW General Discussion ASL22 General Discussion [Personal Project Share] Terran Defense v0.60 ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool
Tourneys
2v2v2v2 Tournament [Megathread] Daily Proleagues SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-6 Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Beyond All Reason Path of Exile
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club The Scarlett Fan Club The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
valeq
valeq
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
What is a Gamer?
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4646 users

[M][N] Mini Mafia: The (kinda) Vanilla Experience - Page 18

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 16 17 18 19 20 196 Next
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 23:10 GMT
#341
On October 22 2015 08:08 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm... Could be I guess... It's more a process of elimination than anything genuinely scummy though.

no. if everyone else looked town i would have said that.
table for two on a tv tray
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 21 2015 23:10 GMT
#342
On October 22 2015 08:04 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it.


Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition.

In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat.

1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum.

2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_-

3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health.

we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely.

ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good)

this.
this is a big post of nonsense.


this is basically you saying welcome back : D . I'll tldr the post. I think bh's argument for random makes sense coming out of scum only if you except town not to listen(or you can sabotage the rng) and makes sense out of town only if your trying to look substancey and dont actually think it'll come to a random lynch. So I dont think BH honestly wants an rng lynch / : cause that would be silly, even in a game with good scum. What does that say for his alignment? Not much at all. Basically at the time I didnt think bhs actions meant he was townie, just that he was being active and probably insincere.

I might be totally wrong about but such is the risks of early reads. But yeah, rng is silly, case in point your on the chopping block right now for no reason. Do you think your scum? Do you think BH is derp? if no to both this statements then mine has at least as much chance to be true as there is to lynch into you and hit maf.

Can you tldr your tldr?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
October 21 2015 23:10 GMT
#343
I just realized how badly represented my country is on this forum, the brits, north americans and scandinavians have so many players with so much variety and the only thing I can bring to the table is the country of Fritzl, Hitler and Dandel Ion.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 23:10 GMT
#344
haha ^^
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 23:11 GMT
#345
On October 22 2015 08:10 Vivax wrote:
I just realized how badly represented my country is on this forum, the brits, north americans and scandinavians have so many players with so much variety and the only thing I can bring to the table is the country of Fritzl, Hitler and Dandel Ion.

Dandel Ion is like Hitler tbh.
table for two on a tv tray
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 21 2015 23:12 GMT
#346
anywho, I put my faith in RNGesus
##Vote raynpelikoneet
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 21 2015 23:12 GMT
#347
On October 22 2015 06:45 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 06:44 Xatalos wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:41 ritoky wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:39 Xatalos wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe might be mafia.


Why?


poorly explained response, forced joke, clear post editing, extra lines at the end of post.


Clear post editing? I agree he's felt a bit "forced" with his entrance.


at start of game mafia more likely to re-read and edit their post than town is. town more prone to be natural. the lines at the end, the changes between capitalizing and not capitalizing, and some other aspects shows he read and edited the post.



I ether try super duper hard hard in games and edit/wot to the max, or I just sort of sit there thinking about posting but dont. It's not paticularly alignment indicative, but I usually try harder as town then maf, so in my case the post really is more of a town tell, a showing of effort, meticulousness and a desire to be funny is actually a good sign of townshoe / :
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 21 2015 23:13 GMT
#348
youtu.be
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 21 2015 23:13 GMT
#349
wat the video doesn't work? :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 21 2015 23:14 GMT
#350
On October 22 2015 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 08:08 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm... Could be I guess... It's more a process of elimination than anything genuinely scummy though.

no. if everyone else looked town i would have said that.


Well that was my thought process, not yours Do you think his nonsense post was really scummy?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 21 2015 23:14 GMT
#351
On October 22 2015 08:13 Xatalos wrote:
wat the video doesn't work? :/

link works, but not embedded
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 21 2015 23:14 GMT
#352
On October 22 2015 08:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 08:10 Vivax wrote:
I just realized how badly represented my country is on this forum, the brits, north americans and scandinavians have so many players with so much variety and the only thing I can bring to the table is the country of Fritzl, Hitler and Dandel Ion.

Dandel Ion is like Hitler tbh.


Literally Hitler...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
October 21 2015 23:15 GMT
#353
On October 22 2015 08:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
anywho, I put my faith in RNGesus
##Vote raynpelikoneet


I really hope for us that you aren't mafia with yamato or this is set to become a pretty sad game.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 23:15 GMT
#354
oh yeah i wont post my votes on main thread fyi.
table for two on a tv tray
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 21 2015 23:15 GMT
#355
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 21 2015 23:16 GMT
#356
On October 22 2015 08:15 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 08:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
anywho, I put my faith in RNGesus
##Vote raynpelikoneet


I really hope for us that you aren't mafia with yamato or this is set to become a pretty sad game.

he is not scum.
table for two on a tv tray
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 21 2015 23:17 GMT
#357
On October 22 2015 08:15 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 08:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
anywho, I put my faith in RNGesus
##Vote raynpelikoneet


I really hope for us that you aren't mafia with yamato or this is set to become a pretty sad game.


yamato+gumshoe+Hopeless... the dream
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
October 21 2015 23:17 GMT
#358
On October 22 2015 08:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 08:15 Vivax wrote:
On October 22 2015 08:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
anywho, I put my faith in RNGesus
##Vote raynpelikoneet


I really hope for us that you aren't mafia with yamato or this is set to become a pretty sad game.

he is not scum.


Which one.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
October 21 2015 23:17 GMT
#359
On October 22 2015 08:10 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 08:04 gumshoe wrote:
On October 22 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:
On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it.


Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition.

In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat.

1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum.

2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_-

3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health.

we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely.

ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good)

this.
this is a big post of nonsense.


this is basically you saying welcome back : D . I'll tldr the post. I think bh's argument for random makes sense coming out of scum only if you except town not to listen(or you can sabotage the rng) and makes sense out of town only if your trying to look substancey and dont actually think it'll come to a random lynch. So I dont think BH honestly wants an rng lynch / : cause that would be silly, even in a game with good scum. What does that say for his alignment? Not much at all. Basically at the time I didnt think bhs actions meant he was townie, just that he was being active and probably insincere.

I might be totally wrong about but such is the risks of early reads. But yeah, rng is silly, case in point your on the chopping block right now for no reason. Do you think your scum? Do you think BH is derp? if no to both this statements then mine has at least as much chance to be true as there is to lynch into you and hit maf.

Can you tldr your tldr?


Rayns a big meanie, nothings changed. Plus I think BH doesnt actually think theres gonna be an rng lynch, his post is just a way to look daring plus active as ethier alignment. I wasnt a fan of him becoming entrenched as town based of something pretty neutral, the reason I posted was because I felt it wasnt obvius that his rng theory was neutral. Rng play is a risky one for scum, but if you assume town wont go for it and are just feigning the play to build filter, then it's totally neutral.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 21 2015 23:17 GMT
#360
On October 22 2015 08:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 08:15 Vivax wrote:
On October 22 2015 08:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
anywho, I put my faith in RNGesus
##Vote raynpelikoneet


I really hope for us that you aren't mafia with yamato or this is set to become a pretty sad game.

he is not scum.

I feel like this might be a first...coolbeans
Prev 1 16 17 18 19 20 196 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
INu's Battles
11:00
#19 - Day 1
ByuN vs ClassicLIVE!
Clem vs NightMare
IntoTheiNu 1571
WardiTV1164
LiquipediaDiscussion
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #140
Classic vs Iba
ByuN vs TBD
CranKy Ducklings50
CranKy Ducklings SOOP9
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 46307
Calm 10355
Bisu 2748
Jaedong 1092
EffOrt 927
Horang2 630
Shuttle 562
BeSt 508
Mini 452
Leta 312
[ Show more ]
Larva 302
Stork 285
ZerO 284
Zeus 138
hero 94
Pusan 79
Hyun 76
Sharp 74
Mong 71
JYJ 52
ToSsGirL 51
Mind 50
Hm[arnc] 43
sorry 29
Terrorterran 25
soO 24
Shine 22
Barracks 21
Sexy 19
zelot 15
Noble 11
Rock 7
Dota 2
Gorgc11494
Dendi1082
syndereN291
BananaSlamJamma159
Counter-Strike
byalli539
edward495
Other Games
singsing1988
B2W.Neo924
hiko672
Lowko544
Pyrionflax186
Liquid`LucifroN168
Liquid`VortiX87
ZerO(Twitch)19
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV76
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 25
lovetv 18
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV452
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
10h 25m
Replay Cast
19h 25m
Kung Fu Cup
21h 25m
Replay Cast
1d 10h
The PondCast
1d 20h
INu's Battles
1d 21h
Percival vs Cure
Replay Cast
2 days
Escore
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
herO vs SHIN
Clem vs Solar
Serral vs Rogue
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
PiG Sty Festival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-03
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
RSL Revival: Season 6
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5
Escore Tournament S3: W6
Escore Tournament S3: W7
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Escore Tournament S3: W8
Acropolis #5 - TRS
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Thunderpick World Champ.
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.