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On October 22 2015 08:08 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm... Could be I guess... It's more a process of elimination than anything genuinely scummy though.
no. if everyone else looked town i would have said that.
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On October 22 2015 08:04 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it. Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition. In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat. 1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum. 2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_- 3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health. we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely. ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good) this. this is a big post of nonsense. this is basically you saying welcome back : D . I'll tldr the post. I think bh's argument for random makes sense coming out of scum only if you except town not to listen(or you can sabotage the rng) and makes sense out of town only if your trying to look substancey and dont actually think it'll come to a random lynch. So I dont think BH honestly wants an rng lynch / : cause that would be silly, even in a game with good scum. What does that say for his alignment? Not much at all. Basically at the time I didnt think bhs actions meant he was townie, just that he was being active and probably insincere. I might be totally wrong about but such is the risks of early reads. But yeah, rng is silly, case in point your on the chopping block right now for no reason. Do you think your scum? Do you think BH is derp? if no to both this statements then mine has at least as much chance to be true as there is to lynch into you and hit maf.
Can you tldr your tldr?
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I just realized how badly represented my country is on this forum, the brits, north americans and scandinavians have so many players with so much variety and the only thing I can bring to the table is the country of Fritzl, Hitler and Dandel Ion.
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On October 22 2015 08:10 Vivax wrote:
I just realized how badly represented my country is on this forum, the brits, north americans and scandinavians have so many players with so much variety and the only thing I can bring to the table is the country of Fritzl, Hitler and Dandel Ion.
Dandel Ion is like Hitler tbh.
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anywho, I put my faith in RNGesus
##Vote raynpelikoneet
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On October 22 2015 06:45 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 06:44 Xatalos wrote:On October 22 2015 06:41 ritoky wrote:On October 22 2015 06:39 Xatalos wrote:On October 22 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe might be mafia. Why? poorly explained response, forced joke, clear post editing, extra lines at the end of post. Clear post editing? I agree he's felt a bit "forced" with his entrance. at start of game mafia more likely to re-read and edit their post than town is. town more prone to be natural. the lines at the end, the changes between capitalizing and not capitalizing, and some other aspects shows he read and edited the post.
I ether try super duper hard hard in games and edit/wot to the max, or I just sort of sit there thinking about posting but dont. It's not paticularly alignment indicative, but I usually try harder as town then maf, so in my case the post really is more of a town tell, a showing of effort, meticulousness and a desire to be funny is actually a good sign of townshoe / :
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wat the video doesn't work? :/
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On October 22 2015 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 08:08 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm... Could be I guess... It's more a process of elimination than anything genuinely scummy though. no. if everyone else looked town i would have said that.
Well that was my thought process, not yours  Do you think his nonsense post was really scummy?
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On October 22 2015 08:13 Xatalos wrote:
wat the video doesn't work? :/
link works, but not embedded
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On October 22 2015 08:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 08:10 Vivax wrote:
I just realized how badly represented my country is on this forum, the brits, north americans and scandinavians have so many players with so much variety and the only thing I can bring to the table is the country of Fritzl, Hitler and Dandel Ion. Dandel Ion is like Hitler tbh.
Literally Hitler...
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On October 22 2015 08:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
anywho, I put my faith in RNGesus
##Vote raynpelikoneet
I really hope for us that you aren't mafia with yamato or this is set to become a pretty sad game.
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oh yeah i wont post my votes on main thread fyi.
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On October 22 2015 08:15 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 08:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
anywho, I put my faith in RNGesus
##Vote raynpelikoneet I really hope for us that you aren't mafia with yamato or this is set to become a pretty sad game.
he is not scum.
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On October 22 2015 08:15 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 08:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
anywho, I put my faith in RNGesus
##Vote raynpelikoneet I really hope for us that you aren't mafia with yamato or this is set to become a pretty sad game.
yamato+gumshoe+Hopeless... the dream
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On October 22 2015 08:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 08:15 Vivax wrote:On October 22 2015 08:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
anywho, I put my faith in RNGesus
##Vote raynpelikoneet I really hope for us that you aren't mafia with yamato or this is set to become a pretty sad game. he is not scum.
Which one.
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On October 22 2015 08:10 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 08:04 gumshoe wrote:On October 22 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 22 2015 06:56 gumshoe wrote:On October 22 2015 06:30 Chromatically wrote:
BH, you talk a lot about why your lynch is random but not at all about why we should follow it. Theres no point to him trying to convince us to follow his lynch. RNG is viable when reads are shit, convincing town to rng lynch requires shit reads. The game has just begun therefore reads have not had the time to develop quality, which means bh does not yet posses his convince condition. In the absence of the means to convince us to choose his method, all he can do is argue how his is truly random. Because a mafia player who argues for an actual rng lynch is forfeiting his ability to protect his teammates (and potentially himself) from rng. A competent scumer would usually have faith in his ability to sway town one way or another, which means he probably wouldn't risk an rng team kill. Basically there are only 3 kinds of players who would propose this strat. 1) a player who is so insecure about his play, he is honestly proposing to just roll the dice instead of play(at least on day 1). This player could be town or scum. 2) A town player who is just using this as a means to prove his innocence "why would I risk killing myself or my teamies as mafia? I must be town!" this works sorta because your odds are quite low of hitting yourself and if you do then you can always say "well I know I'm town, so I'll just disregard this result" -_- 3) A scummer who believes that town will not actually rng lynch because it is objectively a bad strat compared to a really solid case/read. He must hope for this, because to a scummer the rng lynch can actually just backfire, since mafia as an entity operate on a clear pool of lives as opposed to towns mist of health. we can probally straight up rule out the first possibility (bh be goods not scrubs), which leaves 2 and 3. This whole thing seems pre written so hard to tell between them. Honestly best just to ignore the whole thing unless it gets to the point where our reads are so junk an rng lynch is actually more likely. ether way, I dont think bh expects us to actually straight up rng lynch, this was probably just a way to look active early on without actually offering substance (though it might draw substance out of others, which is always good) this. this is a big post of nonsense. this is basically you saying welcome back : D . I'll tldr the post. I think bh's argument for random makes sense coming out of scum only if you except town not to listen(or you can sabotage the rng) and makes sense out of town only if your trying to look substancey and dont actually think it'll come to a random lynch. So I dont think BH honestly wants an rng lynch / : cause that would be silly, even in a game with good scum. What does that say for his alignment? Not much at all. Basically at the time I didnt think bhs actions meant he was townie, just that he was being active and probably insincere. I might be totally wrong about but such is the risks of early reads. But yeah, rng is silly, case in point your on the chopping block right now for no reason. Do you think your scum? Do you think BH is derp? if no to both this statements then mine has at least as much chance to be true as there is to lynch into you and hit maf. Can you tldr your tldr?
Rayns a big meanie, nothings changed. Plus I think BH doesnt actually think theres gonna be an rng lynch, his post is just a way to look daring plus active as ethier alignment. I wasnt a fan of him becoming entrenched as town based of something pretty neutral, the reason I posted was because I felt it wasnt obvius that his rng theory was neutral. Rng play is a risky one for scum, but if you assume town wont go for it and are just feigning the play to build filter, then it's totally neutral.
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On October 22 2015 08:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 08:15 Vivax wrote:On October 22 2015 08:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
anywho, I put my faith in RNGesus
##Vote raynpelikoneet I really hope for us that you aren't mafia with yamato or this is set to become a pretty sad game. he is not scum.
I feel like this might be a first...coolbeans
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EPT
