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On October 22 2015 06:33 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 06:28 Xatalos wrote:
I'd say that's more like pseudo-pseudo-random though. It's not really as sophisticated as something like the Random class in Java. I'll give you that it's somewhat good in the sense that you can "prove" it's not just some number you made up, even if it's not exactly fully random.
In the end, I think we're utterly doomed if we can't make a better than RNG lynch with this list of players.... It could be somehow feasible if the players were mostly inactive to get things rolling (lol) I mean, it is "psuedo-random", but calling it that doesn't actually say anything negative about its use here. It's like noting that a dice roll isn't always perfectly random, or that it's really hard to generate randomness using computer. Sure, the Random class in Java isn't great, and maybe this is less random, but still this is SUPER random, so random you'd have to do it probably hundreds of thousands of time before there was a problem, or alternatively, due it a few hundred times per second or something. It's random enough taht it's already way more random than it needs to be, and unlike literally all other attempts at RNG, it's provably not influenced by me.
Well that's true.
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Why does marv being in the scumteam make it weak? :D
Anyways I was under the impression that TL towns have mostly beaten RNG in recent years.
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On October 22 2015 06:33 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 06:30 Vivax wrote:
We might already have caught mafia here since yammo doesn't reply in response to my phantastic intimidating presence.
When he's afk he's mafia. I just don't take you seriously. If I do that and you're town, one of us is almost certainly going to die. If I do that and you're mafia, it won't help lynch you in any way.
That doesn't make any sense.
Your reply isn't influenced by my alignment, only by yours.
Besides you might reverse that and say that if I'm mafia one of us is going to die, which is good.
Or that if I'm town it won't help get me lynched, which is also good.
But you chose to be a party pooper.
So you're mafia.
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On October 22 2015 06:31 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 06:25 Chromatically wrote:On October 22 2015 06:21 Xatalos wrote:On October 22 2015 06:19 Chromatically wrote:On October 22 2015 06:16 Xatalos wrote:On October 22 2015 06:09 Chromatically wrote:So protown Vivax. On October 22 2015 06:01 Xatalos wrote:The pressure is real  Are you feeling pressure, Xatalos? Heh. I'd imagine your question is based on an invalid assumption. And what would that be? The assumption that you're mafia? What did you think the "pressure" was referring to? That's what I was originally asking. My first assumption was that you were feeling pressure now that the game's started. It was mainly referring to the pressure on the votecount tool (with the harsh voting rules requiring its perfect functioning etc.). Well, I'm pretty confident in it after so many test games.
Oh. That makes a lot of sense.
Why should we lynch gumshoe?
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On October 22 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe might be mafia.
Why?
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On October 22 2015 06:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 06:33 yamato77 wrote:On October 22 2015 06:30 Vivax wrote:
We might already have caught mafia here since yammo doesn't reply in response to my phantastic intimidating presence.
When he's afk he's mafia. I just don't take you seriously. If I do that and you're town, one of us is almost certainly going to die. If I do that and you're mafia, it won't help lynch you in any way. That doesn't make any sense. Your reply isn't influenced by my alignment, only by yours. Besides you might reverse that and say that if I'm mafia one of us is going to die, which is good. Or that if I'm town it won't help get me lynched, which is also good. But you chose to be a party pooper. So you're mafia.
No, I chose not to participate in the propagation of stupidity.
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On October 22 2015 06:39 Xatalos wrote:Why?
poorly explained response, forced joke, clear post editing, extra lines at the end of post.
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On October 22 2015 06:40 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 06:38 Vivax wrote:On October 22 2015 06:33 yamato77 wrote:On October 22 2015 06:30 Vivax wrote:
We might already have caught mafia here since yammo doesn't reply in response to my phantastic intimidating presence.
When he's afk he's mafia. I just don't take you seriously. If I do that and you're town, one of us is almost certainly going to die. If I do that and you're mafia, it won't help lynch you in any way. That doesn't make any sense. Your reply isn't influenced by my alignment, only by yours. Besides you might reverse that and say that if I'm mafia one of us is going to die, which is good. Or that if I'm town it won't help get me lynched, which is also good. But you chose to be a party pooper. So you're mafia. No, I chose not to participate in the propagation of stupidity.
How is it stupid to want to have you play the game faced against the overwhelming odds that are my unbeatable arguments?
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On October 22 2015 06:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 06:33 yamato77 wrote:On October 22 2015 06:30 Vivax wrote:
We might already have caught mafia here since yammo doesn't reply in response to my phantastic intimidating presence.
When he's afk he's mafia. I just don't take you seriously. If I do that and you're town, one of us is almost certainly going to die. If I do that and you're mafia, it won't help lynch you in any way. That doesn't make any sense. Your reply isn't influenced by my alignment, only by yours. Besides you might reverse that and say that if I'm mafia one of us is going to die, which is good. Or that if I'm town it won't help get me lynched, which is also good. But you chose to be a party pooper. So you're mafia.
Hmm.. Well, yamato's certainly not being very useful so far...
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Blazinghand
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On October 22 2015 06:38 Xatalos wrote:
Why does marv being in the scumteam make it weak? :D
He has been super fatigued of rolling scum since he rolled scum for several games in a row. In the last game or two he rolled scum, he barely played and complained about wanting to be town. This game, if Marv is scum, he'll probably say/do nothing. If he's town expect him to be excited and energized about finally being able to be town and "recharge his batteries". Contrast Scum Marv that's on his game, who busts out hecka sweet moves. Marv's alignment should be obvious this game, even after he reads this post from me.
On October 22 2015 06:38 Xatalos wrote:
Anyways I was under the impression that TL towns have mostly beaten RNG in recent years.
in general, maybe, but
1. Not by much
2. the reasons I laid out (skilled scum players, vanilla setup without extra townies, etc) all apply here
3. even in setups where town does have these advantages, RNG is still a good idea.
Why don't we sit down and discuss rayn's play so far? Is anyone else suspicious of his lack of contribution?
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bh sleeping on me winning 6 of my 7 games as mafia on these forums made me die a little inside.
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On October 22 2015 06:41 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 06:39 Xatalos wrote:On October 22 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe might be mafia. Why? poorly explained response, forced joke, clear post editing, extra lines at the end of post.
Clear post editing? I agree he's felt a bit "forced" with his entrance.
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On October 22 2015 06:44 ritoky wrote:
bh sleeping on me winning 6 of my 7 games as mafia on these forums made me die a little inside.
I want to townread you for this post but that would be a bit premature for a decisive guess.
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Blazinghand
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On October 22 2015 06:44 ritoky wrote:
bh sleeping on me winning 6 of my 7 games as mafia on these forums made me die a little inside.
Okay if you're good at scum then that's even MORE argument for RNG! almost everyone here is good at scum! We'll never catch them D1 without lynching raynpelikoneet
thanks for your support voting raynpelikoneet
look, he's lurking even now, let's vote him
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On October 22 2015 06:44 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 06:41 ritoky wrote:On October 22 2015 06:39 Xatalos wrote:On October 22 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
gumshoe might be mafia. Why? poorly explained response, forced joke, clear post editing, extra lines at the end of post. Clear post editing? I agree he's felt a bit "forced" with his entrance.
at start of game mafia more likely to re-read and edit their post than town is. town more prone to be natural. the lines at the end, the changes between capitalizing and not capitalizing, and some other aspects shows he read and edited the post.
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On October 22 2015 06:43 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 06:38 Xatalos wrote:
Why does marv being in the scumteam make it weak? :D He has been super fatigued of rolling scum since he rolled scum for several games in a row. In the last game or two he rolled scum, he barely played and complained about wanting to be town. This game, if Marv is scum, he'll probably say/do nothing. If he's town expect him to be excited and energized about finally being able to be town and "recharge his batteries". Contrast Scum Marv that's on his game, who busts out hecka sweet moves. Marv's alignment should be obvious this game, even after he reads this post from me. Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 06:38 Xatalos wrote:
Anyways I was under the impression that TL towns have mostly beaten RNG in recent years. in general, maybe, but 1. Not by much 2. the reasons I laid out (skilled scum players, vanilla setup without extra townies, etc) all apply here 3. even in setups where town does have these advantages, RNG is still a good idea. Why don't we sit down and discuss rayn's play so far? Is anyone else suspicious of his lack of contribution?
LOL :D That last line was funny.
I really liked the first part of your post though. Seems like town thinking through stuff.
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On October 22 2015 06:17 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 06:06 Vivax wrote:
##Vote yamato77
Cause he complained about flavour. Because you feel he tried too hard to say something funny, and is therefore making a noticeable effort to try and blend in, or because you consider any anti chocolate agenda heresy? also Show nested quote +I'm thinking of a general strategy to kickstart this thing and skip the banter.
It usually involves getting on the nerves of some prickly dude. not a bad idea ##vote vivax
I guess you mean the difference between the earlier and latter part of this post and their style?
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On October 22 2015 06:48 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 06:17 gumshoe wrote:On October 22 2015 06:06 Vivax wrote:
##Vote yamato77
Cause he complained about flavour. Because you feel he tried too hard to say something funny, and is therefore making a noticeable effort to try and blend in, or because you consider any anti chocolate agenda heresy? also I'm thinking of a general strategy to kickstart this thing and skip the banter.
It usually involves getting on the nerves of some prickly dude. not a bad idea ##vote vivax I guess you mean the difference between the earlier and latter part of this post and their style?
On October 22 2015 06:31 gumshoe wrote:me no play long time / : I'm all pent up, but aside from that, it wasn't ballsy at all. You set the value of the vote. That value is equivalent to that of a hat. Atm voting for someone is the equivalent of storing your hat on a rack. Basically for the first day we all have awesome racks but shitty hats. As the game goes on, our racks will deteriorate, the wood changing from fine oak to base mahogany, but our hats shall grow in splendor. Soon they will be both outlandish and dignified. Not just one flavor, but two in conjunction. Chocolate and Vannila in perfect harmony. Vivax would you consider yourself a prickly dude?
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On October 22 2015 06:45 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 06:44 ritoky wrote:
bh sleeping on me winning 6 of my 7 games as mafia on these forums made me die a little inside. Okay if you're good at scum then that's even MORE argument for RNG! almost everyone here is good at scum! We'll never catch them D1 without lynching raynpelikoneet thanks for your support voting raynpelikoneet look, he's lurking even now, let's vote him
Hahaha... Really rock solid reasoning :D
It'd be funny if he came online and saw a big wagon on himself immediately.
Just for that, I might even vote for him.
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