On September 25 2015 19:06 Rels wrote: and think how cool it would be to be mafia together a second time p:
I can say this now the game is over - I hated hated hated being Mafia. The only thing that kept me going was your amazingly upbeat chat. I need to think very carefully whether I can in good faith sign up for games where there is a chance I roll Mafia and thereby throw to town, more or less (not on purpose, but because my scum game is so obvious).
yeah being mafia is a sacrifice to give town a challenge. Necessary evil to have a fun game when you roll town p: hope you change your mind about it though, who am I going to talk to in the morning if you're not there ? )=
On September 25 2015 22:02 Half the Sky wrote: Yeah I have had the 10 and the Storm, but the reviews for Dark Storm don't seem as good though rayn seems to like it more. What is the actual difference? Just smokier?
On September 25 2015 22:02 Half the Sky wrote: Yeah I have had the 10 and the Storm, but the reviews for Dark Storm don't seem as good though rayn seems to like it more. What is the actual difference? Just smokier?
so one of the two. Will try what I find (= TY
actually I thought I was going to find a "10" in the role list what do you mean by "10"
On September 25 2015 22:06 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'm going to make my first 10 posts in this game completely useless just to screw with how Rels tries and reads people.
On September 25 2015 22:04 Rels wrote: actually a rule of this game should be that you have to drink your role every day before posting actually it might not be that good of a rule
For games I've rolled mafia, I actually took shots of Glenfiddich everytime we mislynched or nightkilled townies. sicklucker will know what I'm talking about here.
yeah I've heard of that and that is awesome =D what do you do when you lynch mafia ?
On September 25 2015 22:09 Rels wrote: this one seems particulary awesome: Sullivan's Cove French Oak Single Malt
I've never had Australian whiskey, but I believe Mage has had it. He's also had more of the Japanese whiskey in general.
Paging Mage to this thread for his opinions...
Oh I thought it was french. Well, if they had to put "french" on the title it should be good anyway And are you really using medical equipment to call your husband ? (=
On September 28 2015 06:33 coolTLname wrote: im in, ive been playing lots of sc2 mafia and this seems rly similar
Yo I've no idea what is sc2 mafia but if this is your first mafia forum game I wouldn't recommend playing two games simultaneously. Actually I wouldn't recommend it to anyone :p but some people seems to be able to do it just fine Now if sc2 mafia is a forum game then: disregard this message and sorry :p
On September 29 2015 05:05 Rels wrote: GL HF guys (= see you tomorrow! I can sleep quitely knowing there is no IML stuff in this game p:
Isn't it starting in 45 minutes?
You Europeans sleep too early
man I climbed a fucking mountain with a bike yesterday p: And I'm pretty sure it starts in 1h45
That sounds pretty insane, if you don't mind my asking, what mountain? how much elevation change? curious. Dani's a hardcore runner, but I do a little bit of both when I have the chance.
Mont Ventoux. Don't know the technical details but I've found an english website that seemed good. Found it in 30 seconds in google though so no garanties: http://www.veloventoux.com/?c=montVentoux We took the bedoin's route, so if we believe the chart, it's a 1612m elevation.
If you like bikes, you should definitely try it one day (= contact me if you do! I've got some family leaving near it so if I'm available I could host you (=
yo everybody (= starting to read the thread For the record, will be super busy thursday so don't expect much from me that day. Obviously, it will be night 1 so it's not that bad
On September 29 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote: Damdred is looking for a professional sexy person to welcome into his loving towny arms. All applicants will be screened please apply below.
Requirements: A good person to team up with Has to not doubt my alignment once n1 hits or on weekends when I'm busy Must not ignore my posts or talk over me must have a good voice and be funny
and like walks
Please apply for my townfriend
:/
if you're town i would have thought this position was already filled
On September 29 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote: Damdred is looking for a professional sexy person to welcome into his loving towny arms. All applicants will be screened please apply below.
Requirements: A good person to team up with Has to not doubt my alignment once n1 hits or on weekends when I'm busy Must not ignore my posts or talk over me must have a good voice and be funny
and like walks
Please apply for my townfriend
:/
if you're town i would have thought this position was already filled
you wound me deep, damdy
deep
Are you implying Damdred could be mafia for that?
nope
Then what were you implying there?
LS being the first to tryhard = he's probably town.
As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background.
I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it.
But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it.
I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD
But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music.
I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking).
Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs.
One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ):
TLDR please? Also guys I'm town this game let's get some scum lynched!
Jesus I already want to kynch you LS :/
OK maybe I thought this post was serious when it wasn't. @GB was your first post serious ?
As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background.
I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it.
But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it.
I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD
But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music.
I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking).
Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs.
One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ):
As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background.
I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it.
But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it.
I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD
But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music.
I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking).
Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs.
One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ):
On September 29 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote: Damdred is looking for a professional sexy person to welcome into his loving towny arms. All applicants will be screened please apply below.
Requirements: A good person to team up with Has to not doubt my alignment once n1 hits or on weekends when I'm busy Must not ignore my posts or talk over me must have a good voice and be funny
and like walks
Please apply for my townfriend
:/
if you're town i would have thought this position was already filled
On September 29 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote: Damdred is looking for a professional sexy person to welcome into his loving towny arms. All applicants will be screened please apply below.
Requirements: A good person to team up with Has to not doubt my alignment once n1 hits or on weekends when I'm busy Must not ignore my posts or talk over me must have a good voice and be funny
and like walks
Please apply for my townfriend
:/
if you're town i would have thought this position was already filled
On September 29 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote: btw truffle nope ^^ i only skimmed it cause yawn lol you can keep your shitty vote
Hm, I kind of actually think you are mafia now.....
But I can't decide if I should push or wait.....
@Trfel is this a serious post if it is I find super weird the fact that most posts before and after this one are funny posts
OK after I finish catching up I'll do a Trfel's filter dive to check if my feeling is right. But I definitely have the feeling there is a contradiction in tone progression in Trfel's posts, something like funny => one serious => funny => one serious => funny
As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background.
I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it.
But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it.
I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD
But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music.
I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking).
Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs.
One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ):
On September 29 2015 07:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: hihihihi lack of mafia playing is over :D i will commence reading D1 and then catch up to banter with you all later.
I thought you were going to post weirdly at the start to mess with me ? Why did you decide against it ?
On September 29 2015 07:47 GlowingBear wrote: Truffle, what do you make of the informstion already displayed in thread?
Town lean on you (GlowingBear) Sort of town lean on LightningStrike Sort of town lean on raynpelikoneet Sort of mafia lean on rsoultin
I haven't been paying much attention, though. Going to go get dinner now, I'll actually read the thread sometime tonight....
WTF another unexplained read The only thing rayn did was scumread SL and townread GB How can you townread rayn at this point if you have no opinion on SL and GB ?
On September 29 2015 07:47 GlowingBear wrote: Truffle, what do you make of the informstion already displayed in thread?
Town lean on you (GlowingBear) Sort of town lean on LightningStrike Sort of town lean on raynpelikoneet Sort of mafia lean on rsoultin
I haven't been paying much attention, though. Going to go get dinner now, I'll actually read the thread sometime tonight....
WTF another unexplained read The only thing rayn did was scumread SL and townread GB How can you townread rayn at this point if you have no opinion on SL and GB ?
EBWOP: How can you townread rayn at this point if you have no opinion on SL ?
On September 29 2015 17:54 GlowingBear wrote: - Here is my problem with Damdred:
He has an opening requesting a town friend. For me, it looked like a simple post, nothing into it. Truffle asked a question and he answered like it was some kind of bait (mafia would be scared to hard align with him? Lol)
Ok, then I asked what he got out of his bait, more than once. He never answered it directly. He has yet to explain WHAT the bait was and WHAT READS he got from it. He avoids answering this. He actually avoids any kind of question/pressuring, which is usually damdy's scum trait
Can you do a post with quotes and shit ? Cause the easy answer for mafia getting caught in a bad post is "it was a bait guys". So I want to see if it's that bad or not
On September 29 2015 07:47 GlowingBear wrote: Truffle, what do you make of the informstion already displayed in thread?
Town lean on you (GlowingBear) Sort of town lean on LightningStrike Sort of town lean on raynpelikoneet Sort of mafia lean on rsoultin
I haven't been paying much attention, though. Going to go get dinner now, I'll actually read the thread sometime tonight....
whats your reason for town reading rayn. Im just curious because I think I know why that moron scum read me and it might make him ok
Not really sure. Largely because of his townread on GlowingBear and trying to catch rsoultin early on. The reasons are bad, but I kind of like the read anyway for some reason?
Sharing a townread with someone does not make him town though. It's easy for mafia to townread townies since ... well, there are town. Have no memory about the "trying to catch rsoultin" part, will check that.
On September 29 2015 07:47 GlowingBear wrote: Truffle, what do you make of the informstion already displayed in thread?
Town lean on you (GlowingBear) Sort of town lean on LightningStrike Sort of town lean on raynpelikoneet Sort of mafia lean on rsoultin
I haven't been paying much attention, though. Going to go get dinner now, I'll actually read the thread sometime tonight....
whats your reason for town reading rayn. Im just curious because I think I know why that moron scum read me and it might make him ok
Not really sure. Largely because of his townread on GlowingBear and trying to catch rsoultin early on. The reasons are bad, but I kind of like the read anyway for some reason?
Sharing a townread with someone does not make him town though. It's easy for mafia to townread townies since ... well, there are town. Have no memory about the "trying to catch rsoultin" part, will check that.
On September 29 2015 08:27 J Roc wrote: I may or may not be a smurf
Nowatimsayin
Either way that means your a veteran. In that case, you should know rayn never buses his partners unless necessary. Strike against you sir.
This isn't true, Rayn will bus.
no marv. you literally know all this here is 100% bullshit, and considering this guy is a smurf you should be extremely concerned about what he says here. and you are not.
On September 29 2015 08:22 J Roc wrote: J Roc is here
Nowatimsayin
Rayn and SL hardcore bussing each other to start the game, both think it is funny to claim mafia when they are actually mafia.
Trfel why do you have a town read on Rayn?
On September 29 2015 08:30 J Roc wrote:
On September 29 2015 08:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On September 29 2015 08:27 J Roc wrote: I may or may not be a smurf
Nowatimsayin
Either way that means your a veteran. In that case, you should know rayn never buses his partners unless necessary. Strike against you sir.
This isn't true, Rayn will bus.
no marv. you literally know all this here is 100% bullshit, and considering this guy is a smurf you should be extremely concerned about what he says here. and you are not.
rayn you don't bus as mafia ??
never unnecessarily. which this would 100% be if i was mafia with sl.
OK ... Fuck that was not what I was expecting p: a "yes" would mean you are lying, a "no" would mean Trfel is lying.
On September 29 2015 18:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: of course it was when the three scumcandidates are your team and noone else is going to get lynched on D1...
@rayn marv told me the way to read him 100% after the witch mafia game He told me that as town he is involved in everything, and he can't replicate that as mafia Confirm ? If that's really the case then he will be an easy read at EOD
On September 29 2015 18:29 Rels wrote: @rayn marv told me the way to read him 100% after the witch mafia game He told me that as town he is involved in everything, and he can't replicate that as mafia Confirm ? If that's really the case then he will be an easy read at EOD
basically that's quite close to the truth. here he is not involved in things he should be.
On September 29 2015 18:29 Rels wrote: @rayn marv told me the way to read him 100% after the witch mafia game He told me that as town he is involved in everything, and he can't replicate that as mafia Confirm ? If that's really the case then he will be an easy read at EOD
i've no idea. i don't think that's how i read him. on at least a couple of occasions i've caught him off his first few posts (that hasn't happened here) and otherwise i just wait till i feel it.
seriously though, mafia rayn was super obvious in the game I played with him. He's said he had a bad game 'cause no time, but he was tunneling geript as scum, then sheep geript's read on me when it was convenient for me. Maybe he will fool me one day, but for now I'm pretty sure I can read rayn (=
On September 29 2015 08:51 MoosyDoosy wrote: [quote] You are being terrible tbh
terrible or scummy? terrible implies town and awesome
i'm definitely awesome
terrible in a scummy way. what time is it over there btw?
howso? and about 7ish
mmm...I don't see typical rsoul bubbliness or willingness to question things. Basically no indication you're looking into stuff.
lol silence mortal! you do not see with the eyes of the enlightened!
mmm...what makes you think Trfel is town so far?
amazingness and wizardry
namely, the post he thinks he caught me with lol apparently assuming that i don't know what he's doing and would react like some sort of ignorant buffoon who has never seen his play before ^^
I don't understand what you're saying here at all...
I'm going to reread the thread now. This is getting unbearable.
then let me make this simple for you
you often lead (when you have the time) with a post that you think makes you look scummy...in part because of GB's coaching (thus the reference to acolyte)
i posted while waiting to see if anyone would take the bait, you're right. but your little theory falls apart because you assume that i'd for some god-awful reason not link this to the other myriad times you did it and at worst null read you for it
-flicks- now go be productive and actually find scum
is Trfel really scumreading you for that fuck I'm having a really hard time understanding this whole mess
so. rsoultin is saying: 1 - Trfel's first post was some kind of test to gauge reactions 2 - rsoultin posted popcorn 3 - Trfel is scumreading rsoultin for #2
OK let me find Trfel's explanation for rsoultin being scum.
As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background.
I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it.
But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it.
I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD
But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music.
I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking).
Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs.
One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ):
On September 29 2015 09:38 Trfel wrote: Basically my argument against rsoultin kind of doesn't work. I assumed that rsoultin had a certain reason for doing stuff and had a certain interpretation of why I was asking what I asked, but I was wrong.
So basically I dunno.
WHAT THE FUCK I'm taking SOOO long to catch up 'cause I'm trying to understand your reads as I go and you have no FUCKING explanation I STILL don't fucking know if your rsoultin scumread was a joke
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote: By the way:
O hai!
I'm town
truffle took your position. next phase
oh is this the post you didn't get, truffle?
all i was saying was that you had already posted the "post to get reactions/discussion started" post, and that gb could move on to something more productive
i don't know why i always assume these things are blindingly obvious lol ><
Basically, GlowingBear made this one post purely to generate discussion. His other posts before this post that you made were serious posts.
The post you quoted, the "I'm town" post, does nothing to promote discussion at all. My opening posts also didn't end up creating any discussion.
Basically, your post claims that my opening posts actually had a purpose and created discussion, and GlowingBear was actually succeeding at making provocative posts. Both claims I disagree with.
Hm, but now that I think about it I don't think that this is a good argument
Wow, I'm really bad at this.
OK THIS is an explanation for a scumread. But I don't know how the fuck you could forget it when it's only 2h44 into the game and you didn't take a break. And I don't understand how it makes rsoultin scum.
OK taking a lunch break, will finish catching up when I come back. This has taken waaay more time than expected. After that I want to filter dive Trfel specifically 'cause I don't understand him at all.
GB can you do your case about Damdred reacting weirdly about his "bait" ? 'cause I don't remember it being weird. If you don't I'll do it when I have time, but it won't be before a few hours
On September 29 2015 12:00 MoosyDoosy wrote: I can't wait until Rels comes back and tries to kill me for one thing or another.
LOL you seem OK but for one thing: you said multiple times pre game you would post weirdly at the beginning of the game to throw me off, which you didn't do. Why did you change your mind ? 'cause the easiest explanation for me is that you rolled scum, so you had to be careful about what you post and forgot to do it
I would also like some quotes about GB's mechanical tone
On September 29 2015 07:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: i literally don't care. i gotta go to sleep. marv can read me and then it's 100%. sl is mafia, gb is town.
Just seems very mechanical. Like "I did not have sexual relations with that women"
=P
So now it's rayn's posts that are mechanical ? WTF
This first post by coolTLname is super scummy. It is his first post, and he talks about a lot of differents subjects. A first post with different subjects is scum indicative as mafia usually has a hard time entering the thread. Plus, I don't know how GB's posts being mechanical and rayn's posts being mechanical are mixed up. Plus, he agrees on a Moosy's posts that I don't understand. Plus, he next post is scummy too:
On September 29 2015 16:47 coolTLname wrote: So i noticed mafia can hold their KP, this makes claiming Roleblock and framing someone possible, as well as fake vet claims. Anyway i propose anyone who claims a blue role to be lynched automatically, if there is no kill , better to leave it in the dark?
Can medics heal themselves?
Two useless questions. After that he posted one more time and gtfo.
On September 29 2015 21:18 GlowingBear wrote: Rels, why do you keep asking the quotes? I mean, you can infer what the guy is saying while reading the game, I suppose
'cause I didn't have the feeling your posts were mechanical. So I want to know what Moosy (and now coolTLname) is talking about; and if it's based on something real
On September 29 2015 21:24 LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and saw Marv and Damdred having a fight -_- I honestly think Damdred actually is town this time around Marv kinda townlean but I need him to post a little bit more :\ I will check rayn and sl's filter soon as I still kinda sleeping and will jroc's filter too after that. Also saw Rels had started posting a little bit. @Rels: what are your reads currently?
almost finished catching up, atm my reads are: pretty sure they are town: LS, GB maybe town: marv (will re evaluate at EOD), rayn, rsoultin, Damdred null: sicklucker, Shining, moosy maybe scum: JRoc would lynch: Trfel, coolTLname
don't think they will move until the end of the read 'cause I'm got to the part I started posting
As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background.
I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it.
But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it.
I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD
But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music.
I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking).
Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs.
One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ):
As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background.
I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it.
But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it.
I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD
But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music.
I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking).
Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs.
One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ):
On September 29 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote: Damdred is looking for a professional sexy person to welcome into his loving towny arms. All applicants will be screened please apply below.
Requirements: A good person to team up with Has to not doubt my alignment once n1 hits or on weekends when I'm busy Must not ignore my posts or talk over me must have a good voice and be funny
and like walks
Please apply for my townfriend
:/
if you're town i would have thought this position was already filled
On September 29 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote: Damdred is looking for a professional sexy person to welcome into his loving towny arms. All applicants will be screened please apply below.
Requirements: A good person to team up with Has to not doubt my alignment once n1 hits or on weekends when I'm busy Must not ignore my posts or talk over me must have a good voice and be funny
and like walks
Please apply for my townfriend
:/
if you're town i would have thought this position was already filled
On September 29 2015 21:24 LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and saw Marv and Damdred having a fight -_- I honestly think Damdred actually is town this time around Marv kinda townlean but I need him to post a little bit more :\ I will check rayn and sl's filter soon as I still kinda sleeping and will jroc's filter too after that. Also saw Rels had started posting a little bit. @Rels: what are your reads currently?
almost finished catching up, atm my reads are: pretty sure they are town: LS, GB maybe town: marv (will re evaluate at EOD), rayn, rsoultin, Damdred null: sicklucker, Shining, moosy maybe scum: JRoc would lynch: Trfel, coolTLname
don't think they will move until the end of the read 'cause I'm got to the part I started posting
Wait
You are going against Moosy but have him as null, you scum read JRoc without saying much about him and you would lynch truffle for what reason?
I asked two questions to Moosy, waiting for his answer on the "mechanical" stuff to see if he had an idea behind his read or if it was just bullshit. About JRoc rayn showed me he bullshited about a statement: this was about rayn being a buser.
On September 29 2015 18:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: of course it was when the three scumcandidates are your team and noone else is going to get lynched on D1...
OK. So J Roc saying you are a buser is bullshit.
Are you really saying I didn't post any reason to scumread Trfel ? I've said plenty and he is the only active guy I would lynch right now. I don't understand his tone switching from joke to serious (need to check if that is really the case), I don't undersatnd his rsoultin scumread, I don't understand him attacking LS about not try harding when he was the only tryhard at the time. Read through the last few posts to check all that.
On September 29 2015 21:44 Rels wrote: Moosy still waiting on your explanation about how you found GB's posting mechanical.
Tonal reads which I don't expect you to understand since you're a more thread-evidence player yourself. But for what it matters, look through GB's filter. Most of his posts are very similar. There are some where the GB spark shows through as I said, but otherwise, it's a field of gray with only a few pinpricks.
Then there's the fact that GB is kind of focused and concentrating this game which throws me off. I actually started to townread him because of this as it's totally different from my scum game where we were partners until he said his posts weren't mechanical which is untrue.
OK I'm currently trying to see what you're seeing. And I'm failing. He's answering joke posts by funny one liners ? Is that what you are seeing ?
On September 29 2015 21:49 Rels wrote: Do I see Damdred listing townreads ? Something he didn't do last game as mafia ??? marv you are definitely wrong on him (=
wrong on damdred?
i didnt' call him mafia, i just said i'd lynch him
On September 29 2015 21:44 Rels wrote: Moosy still waiting on your explanation about how you found GB's posting mechanical.
Tonal reads which I don't expect you to understand since you're a more thread-evidence player yourself. But for what it matters, look through GB's filter. Most of his posts are very similar. There are some where the GB spark shows through as I said, but otherwise, it's a field of gray with only a few pinpricks.
Then there's the fact that GB is kind of focused and concentrating this game which throws me off. I actually started to townread him because of this as it's totally different from my scum game where we were partners until he said his posts weren't mechanical which is untrue.
OK I'm currently trying to see what you're seeing. And I'm failing. He's answering joke posts by funny one liners ? Is that what you are seeing ?
Moosy I think your read makes too much sense to be fabricated. But I'm not seeing it. Can you quote me some posts that are "very similar, lacking the GB spark". Are you talking about the funny one liners ?
I'll compile why I think Trfel is mafia. I dropped the "funny then serious then funny" stuff 'cause I don't think it is scum indicative.
1 - His scumread of rsoultin has weird bases; seems to me he decided to scumread rsoultin but doesn't know why he's doing it
The timeline is the following: A - rsoultin is scum for having a weird reaction to Trfel's first post and not leading the thread forward. I thought this vote was a joke, but apparently not.
As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background.
I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it.
But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it.
I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD
But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music.
I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking).
Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs.
One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ):
On September 29 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote: btw truffle nope ^^ i only skimmed it cause yawn lol you can keep your shitty vote
Hm, I kind of actually think you are mafia now.....
But I can't decide if I should push or wait.....
C - rsoultin is not scum anymore
On September 29 2015 09:38 Trfel wrote: Basically my argument against rsoultin kind of doesn't work. I assumed that rsoultin had a certain reason for doing stuff and had a certain interpretation of why I was asking what I asked, but I was wrong.
So basically I dunno.
D - rsoultin is scum for focusing too much on Trfel's and GB's "baits" ... I think
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote: By the way:
O hai!
I'm town
truffle took your position. next phase
oh is this the post you didn't get, truffle?
all i was saying was that you had already posted the "post to get reactions/discussion started" post, and that gb could move on to something more productive
i don't know why i always assume these things are blindingly obvious lol ><
Basically, GlowingBear made this one post purely to generate discussion. His other posts before this post that you made were serious posts.
The post you quoted, the "I'm town" post, does nothing to promote discussion at all. My opening posts also didn't end up creating any discussion.
Basically, your post claims that my opening posts actually had a purpose and created discussion, and GlowingBear was actually succeeding at making provocative posts. Both claims I disagree with.
Hm, but now that I think about it I don't think that this is a good argument
Wow, I'm really bad at this.
I don't understand this rsoultin read progression. It really feels like Trfel decided rsoultin was scum but had a hard time finding the reason why. It is scum indicative 'cause mafia do exactly that; they decide who to scumread and who to townread for strategic purposes, then look for things that makes their targets townie or scummy.
2 - This post attacking LS, who was complaining people weren't playing seriously the game
As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background.
I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it.
But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it.
I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD
But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music.
I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking).
Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs.
One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ):
As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background.
I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it.
But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it.
I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD
But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music.
I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking).
Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs.
One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ):
On September 29 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote: Damdred is looking for a professional sexy person to welcome into his loving towny arms. All applicants will be screened please apply below.
Requirements: A good person to team up with Has to not doubt my alignment once n1 hits or on weekends when I'm busy Must not ignore my posts or talk over me must have a good voice and be funny
and like walks
Please apply for my townfriend
:/
if you're town i would have thought this position was already filled
On September 29 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote: Damdred is looking for a professional sexy person to welcome into his loving towny arms. All applicants will be screened please apply below.
Requirements: A good person to team up with Has to not doubt my alignment once n1 hits or on weekends when I'm busy Must not ignore my posts or talk over me must have a good voice and be funny
and like walks
Please apply for my townfriend
:/
if you're town i would have thought this position was already filled
As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background.
I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it.
But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it.
I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD
But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music.
I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking).
Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs.
One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ):
On September 29 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote: Damdred is looking for a professional sexy person to welcome into his loving towny arms. All applicants will be screened please apply below.
Requirements: A good person to team up with Has to not doubt my alignment once n1 hits or on weekends when I'm busy Must not ignore my posts or talk over me must have a good voice and be funny
and like walks
Please apply for my townfriend
i have a good voice, maybe? i might be funny. i enjoy walks.
enough?
Rayn who is with you in your scum qt?
All of these posts are very bland. Like they're supposed to be banter but it's almost a sea of gray as if GB is forcing(?)/faking(?) the banter.
Which just made me more suspicious when he started focusing on Trfel/Damdred straight away. I don't know GB's meta too well so I'm not sure if he's normally this focused or not. The thing is that he did bring two good points on Trfel and Damdred.
This combination of not being sure about GB's meta and how he's bringing up good things made me town lean him for a while.
Oh OK. For me this kind of posts are 100% NAI, I focus on other things. But I understand your mechanical read. And I didn't like GB attacking you as soon as you came back to the thread, before you had a chance to answer.
It is scum indicative 'cause mafia do exactly that; they decide who to scumread and who to townread for strategic purposes, then look for things that makes their targets townie or scummy.
how often do you see examples of mafia actually scumreading someone and then making themselves look really stupid with the subsequent explanations?
not often i wager
sure mafia decide who they are going to town/mafiaread for strategic purposes, but they then usually decide the reasons as well so what happened to Trfel doesn't happen
i grant you it's a strange thing, but you're not selling its scummyness to me right now
I agree it's stupid. It is the most likely explanation though; how do you explain town Trfel keeping his rsoultin scumread even after admitting his first reason was bad ? I mean, his first reason was so bad I dismissed the post as a joke. The only explanation for town Trfel to do that is if he is joking with rsoultin, like getting her angry on purpose for humour.
On September 29 2015 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually Trfel does that as mafia. I have not seen it like this "easily" but that's exactly the reason i caught him in that one game which name i forgot, the game where he was mafia with rsoultin & Hopeless.
On September 29 2015 23:07 marvellosity wrote: ok. i'm not sure how/why that's the same though?
It's like he says one thing then suddenly he says something completely different when anything should really have not changed in his opinion.
It's not obvious from the post you quoted, but if that is what happened, then it is similar to this game's rsoultin read progression.
Trfel had called ruxxar mafia for 3 ird-days. (D1/N1). On D2 he says what is quoted red in my post.
oooo I thought you were talking about deconduo's read!! Yeah if he scumread ruxxar all game, the sentence "I need to look closer at ruxxar" makes 0 sense. It is not exactly what's happening this game (Trfel didn't forget why he was scumreading rsoultin; he dismissed it, then found another reason) but it's similar! Perfect (=
It's similar because Trfel's reasons for scumreading rsoultin are unclear, then he dropped them without really explaining them:
On September 29 2015 09:38 Trfel wrote: Basically my argument against rsoultin kind of doesn't work. I assumed that rsoultin had a certain reason for doing stuff and had a certain interpretation of why I was asking what I asked, but I was wrong.
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote: By the way:
O hai!
I'm town
truffle took your position. next phase
oh is this the post you didn't get, truffle?
all i was saying was that you had already posted the "post to get reactions/discussion started" post, and that gb could move on to something more productive
i don't know why i always assume these things are blindingly obvious lol ><
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote: By the way:
O hai!
I'm town
truffle took your position. next phase
oh is this the post you didn't get, truffle?
all i was saying was that you had already posted the "post to get reactions/discussion started" post, and that gb could move on to something more productive
i don't know why i always assume these things are blindingly obvious lol ><
Basically, GlowingBear made this one post purely to generate discussion. His other posts before this post that you made were serious posts.
The post you quoted, the "I'm town" post, does nothing to promote discussion at all. My opening posts also didn't end up creating any discussion.
Basically, your post claims that my opening posts actually had a purpose and created discussion, and GlowingBear was actually succeeding at making provocative posts. Both claims I disagree with.
Hm, but now that I think about it I don't think that this is a good argument
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote: By the way:
O hai!
I'm town
truffle took your position. next phase
oh is this the post you didn't get, truffle?
all i was saying was that you had already posted the "post to get reactions/discussion started" post, and that gb could move on to something more productive
i don't know why i always assume these things are blindingly obvious lol ><
OH YEAH that was my argument!
Thank you for reminding me!
Never mind, it's still somewhat valid.
is the similar part about forgetting a reason to scumread rsoultin.
On September 29 2015 23:31 marvellosity wrote: i'm just going to take your word for it although i don't get it
i'm sure if trfel is mafia you'll be able to explain other things to me later
if he's not mafia, he is teasing rsoultin I think. Why would he keep his read on her switching his reasons otherwise. I'm waiting for him to explain that and the LS' stuff
yeah I didn't understand that part p: I disliked some things about his first two posts, but some can be excused by newbieness (the rayn / GB mixup + asking useless questions). Agree on wait & see
On September 29 2015 23:46 Rels wrote: yeah I didn't understand that part p: I disliked some things about his first two posts, but some can be excused by newbieness (the rayn / GB mixup + asking useless questions). Agree on wait & see
I am pretty sure you called him scum though, no?
yeah I did:
On September 29 2015 21:21 Rels wrote: This first post by coolTLname is super scummy. It is his first post, and he talks about a lot of differents subjects. A first post with different subjects is scum indicative as mafia usually has a hard time entering the thread. Plus, I don't know how GB's posts being mechanical and rayn's posts being mechanical are mixed up. Plus, he agrees on a Moosy's posts that I don't understand. Plus, he next post is scummy too:
On September 29 2015 16:47 coolTLname wrote: So i noticed mafia can hold their KP, this makes claiming Roleblock and framing someone possible, as well as fake vet claims. Anyway i propose anyone who claims a blue role to be lynched automatically, if there is no kill , better to leave it in the dark?
Can medics heal themselves?
Two useless questions. After that he posted one more time and gtfo.
But on this list of scummy things, the Moosy stuff has been explained, and I can see a newbie mixing up GB and rayn, and asking useless questions. I asked him how the fuck he thought you were GF, waiting for that
As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background.
I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it.
But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it.
I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD
But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music.
I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking).
Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs.
One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ):
On September 29 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote: Damdred is looking for a professional sexy person to welcome into his loving towny arms. All applicants will be screened please apply below.
Requirements: A good person to team up with Has to not doubt my alignment once n1 hits or on weekends when I'm busy Must not ignore my posts or talk over me must have a good voice and be funny
and like walks
Please apply for my townfriend
i have a good voice, maybe? i might be funny. i enjoy walks.
enough?
Rayn who is with you in your scum qt?
All of these posts are very bland. Like they're supposed to be banter but it's almost a sea of gray as if GB is forcing(?)/faking(?) the banter.
Which just made me more suspicious when he started focusing on Trfel/Damdred straight away. I don't know GB's meta too well so I'm not sure if he's normally this focused or not. The thing is that he did bring two good points on Trfel and Damdred.
This combination of not being sure about GB's meta and how he's bringing up good things made me town lean him for a while.
On September 30 2015 04:51 coolTLname wrote: rels GB and rayn, if sicklurker is new then nah and if the shining is usually afk then nah otherwise all 5 are mafia IMO
<3 rsoultin
Reasons ?
On September 30 2015 04:55 coolTLname wrote: and in the beginning , where everyone is having friendly talk rayn seemed very mechanical. Also he keeps saying BRB, which irks me. He's irksome. however he has a town read on me which is odd, but then votes J roc when we literally share the same views so maybe not so odd. RAYN for president godfather 2016
Can you explain to me how rayn is mechanical => rayn is GF ?
On September 30 2015 05:29 Damdred wrote: Rels who do you think is scum
Trfel, coolTLname, JRoc.
Add Moosy there and we pretty much can't go wrong unless Shining is scum.
Don't agree, Moosy makes sense in his reasonning. The only weird thing is him voting marv for a super bad reason. Shining yeah, if it wasnt' him this absence would be scum indicative. But he clearly said last game he didn't like D1 + he was always inactive Monday + Tuesday.
On September 30 2015 05:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh fuck i forgot sicklucker..... sigh...
Do you have a read on him ? I cannot read the guy. I played with him in my first game (newbie X) and I was convinced he was scum all game; he was town. And I read a game (Guardians of galaxy) where he was mafia; I was convinced he was town.
On September 29 2015 21:21 Rels wrote: This first post by coolTLname is super scummy. It is his first post, and he talks about a lot of differents subjects. A first post with different subjects is scum indicative as mafia usually has a hard time entering the thread. Plus, I don't know how GB's posts being mechanical and rayn's posts being mechanical are mixed up. Plus, he agrees on a Moosy's posts that I don't understand. Plus, he next post is scummy too:
On September 29 2015 16:47 coolTLname wrote: So i noticed mafia can hold their KP, this makes claiming Roleblock and framing someone possible, as well as fake vet claims. Anyway i propose anyone who claims a blue role to be lynched automatically, if there is no kill , better to leave it in the dark?
Can medics heal themselves?
Two useless questions. After that he posted one more time and gtfo.
without the Moosy part Plus he has refused to explain his weird GF read on you, so I cannot know if he has a reasonning behind it Plus he's clearly trolling, I don't know why a town under suspicion would act like that. But Dandel did exactly that last game, so that makes me wary of lynching him
On September 29 2015 16:47 coolTLname wrote: So i noticed mafia can hold their KP, this makes claiming Roleblock and framing someone possible, as well as fake vet claims. Anyway i propose anyone who claims a blue role to be lynched automatically, if there is no kill , better to leave it in the dark?
On September 30 2015 06:01 Rels wrote: no way a smurf posts something like that:
On September 29 2015 16:47 coolTLname wrote: So i noticed mafia can hold their KP, this makes claiming Roleblock and framing someone possible, as well as fake vet claims. Anyway i propose anyone who claims a blue role to be lynched automatically, if there is no kill , better to leave it in the dark?
Can medics heal themselves?
he's a newbie. If he's a smurf he's playing dumb
ofc he is playing dumb, but he is 100% smurf. I remember Damdred doing that once with accidently posting on his own main account "if i am Damdred i am 100% mafia"...... as town......
I fucking hate smurfs and they should not be allowed anywhere. I am expecting him to answer me about his "read" on Trfel, then i am expecting him to answer me about why he is trolling and why his reasoning for scumreading me is bullshit. Then i expect him to make a really fucking good case on why someone is scum. Otherwise he can get lynched.
man if he's a smurf nothing he did makes any sense as town the "suspicious but town read" the useless questions agreeing GB's posts are mechanical then saying rayn's posts are mechanical the trolling
OK to be sure: You' saying him saying "I don't care about GB's and Rels' suspicions" is making him 100% a smurf over a newbie troll Let me think about it
On September 30 2015 09:57 The Shining wrote: Likely town Damdred and Marv. That looked like a classic town v town shitflingfest. Every single game I've ever played where an argument like that happens, both players end up being town so I'll stuck to my guns on that. RSo looks pretty town, I can echo and confirm what I know of Damdred's town v scum meta with this post. It's pretty spot on.
On September 29 2015 20:09 GlowingBear wrote: I will be voting truffle, I will be back once I can see the thread behind the egos
talk to me ^^ i'm in sweet not insulting everyone cause we're having enough of that already rsoul mode lol
do you have any scumreads other than truffle? cause i still think he's town, too
I still have both Damdred and Truffle. Damdred's opening felt townie to me but the follow ups are very shady. I've pointed out several times how his bait thing doesn't fit it but he keeps ignoring it, at least from what I've skimmed. He is too inclined to dismiss pushes and being very mad at little things. I hardly believe this comes from town Damdred. There was only one game that he was town that he reacted his way, and that one was when he was having IRL stuff.
I am also inclined to lunch Sicklucker, I see him commenting everything but doing nothing with what he sees.
I think Rels is town, I remember reading a post where Moosy was looking townie.
Oh and that smurf is also very shady, could lynch.
my damdy is an emotional town player and a robotic scum player has 100% never been proven wrong ever
i'm the one who told you in that game you're referring to that he was town based off one page of the game
if you're townreading me, trust me. he's town. and honestly even if you're not, i'd probably townread him if i were scum as i did last time anyway cause i'd find that easier lol >< than trying to push damdy when he knows i read him like a book
sl had posts that were very sl-centric which gives him enough townie points to keep him around i think. he thinks the scummiest thing in the game is someone not reading his posts perfectly
GB, Rels are in my "could be town but idk" pile. Although I don't agree with his read on Damdy, I can see where he is coming from and I don't think I've ever seen a game that he hasn't tunneled Damdred D1 as town lol. But it isn't the firebrand GB I've played with before(granted, I was scum that game) so not a strong TR. Rels is asking a few good questions, but I want to filter dive Trfel before I lean either way on his Trfel case. I read a lot of pages today and I don't wanna miss anything.
J Roc/Scott slot is null to me becuz f replacements, and on D1, no less. My least fave day, sigh. I don't like coolTL, I could prob lynch him tbh. I shouldn't judge but the low content, no scumhunting(unless you count him naming a 5 man scumteam as scum hunting), and the fact that he said this(bolded):
On September 29 2015 17:08 coolTLname wrote: Uh anyway i've been looking at sicklurker. For some reason i thought he was blue but hes been spewing tons of nonsense, he claims hes "drinking" and he seems sad i guess, but even more reason to post something meaningful .. @_@
marvelous would be mafia if hes good in other games, i guess i should check.
but then fucked off and never said whether he actually checked this means he doesn't care about figuring out marv's alignment.
Also LS is pretty underwhelming. He asks RSo to not be lazy but then doesn't do much with any posts after. More than once, he re-entered the thread with a simple recap of what was happening while he was gone with posts that go nowhere afterwards. And he didn't even know what his own read on Trfel was...lol. This is either super lazy LS scum or horrible LS town but he's going in my suspicious pile for now.
Idk what to think about SL either but I do know as games go on, it becomes blatantly obvious whether he is scum or not. Moosy and Trfel are question marks for me that I won't give a read on until I'm done filter diving them.
OK Shining is probably town. Welcome (= Only thing I kinda disagree is the LS read, I thought he was super townie from his first posts. It's true he didn't do much since then though.
On September 30 2015 10:26 Damdred wrote: He's played with SL once... And he actually has a point on ls though he didn't just sheep rayns case either. So he has that going for him
On September 30 2015 10:38 coolTLname wrote: oh nvm u quoted it lol .. well yea GB cuz hes bussing town ppl, rels cuz he was late to the thread and ur town imo u read thread and do stuff
LOL OK regardless of your alignment, since you're a newbie, I will try to show you how this is super bad. p:
1 - does the following post comes from town or mafia ?
On September 29 2015 05:05 Rels wrote: GL HF guys (= see you tomorrow! I can sleep quitely knowing there is no IML stuff in this game p:
OK I'm messing with you, it was pregame. I want to show you that your reason for scumreading me is bad 'cause I said pregame I would be sleeping at game start
2 - I started posting more or less at the time you started posting. Why are you scumreading me for something you did yourself ?
3 - Even forgoing all that, why someone being late to the thread is scum indicative ?
On September 30 2015 10:47 MoosyDoosy wrote: Rels, when you come around to the thread. Why didn't you see that what Trfel did was different from this game and the other one?
Man you're not reading, I already showed how it is kind of similar Trfel in the other game forgot why he was scumreading ruxxar In this game he forgot why he was scumreading rsoultin:
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote: By the way:
O hai!
I'm town
truffle took your position. next phase
oh is this the post you didn't get, truffle?
all i was saying was that you had already posted the "post to get reactions/discussion started" post, and that gb could move on to something more productive
i don't know why i always assume these things are blindingly obvious lol ><
On September 29 2015 17:08 coolTLname wrote: Uh anyway i've been looking at sicklurker. For some reason i thought he was blue but hes been spewing tons of nonsense, he claims hes "drinking" and he seems sad i guess, but even more reason to post something meaningful .. @_@
marvelous would be mafia if hes good in other games, i guess i should check.
mm that rsoultin stuff is damning going to finish catching up then will fact check your posts if she really turned around her read on you based on nothing, she's probably mafia running out of targets to scumread
On September 29 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote: btw truffle nope ^^ i only skimmed it cause yawn lol you can keep your shitty vote
Hm, I kind of actually think you are mafia now.....
But I can't decide if I should push or wait.....
@Trfel is this a serious post if it is I find super weird the fact that most posts before and after this one are funny posts
OK after I finish catching up I'll do a Trfel's filter dive to check if my feeling is right. But I definitely have the feeling there is a contradiction in tone progression in Trfel's posts, something like funny => one serious => funny => one serious => funny
If you think that me alternating between being serious or funny is a sign that I am mafia, then I have no more words for you. To be honest, depending on how that's applied, it's probably the easiest way to read me.
Since apparently I wasn't clear:
I started out by voting rsoultin as a joke. Then I started being a bit suspicious of rsoultin, but not enough that I wanted to actually push it (at least until I reread things). Before I was able to reread things, rsoultin made some posts that were contrary to the assumptions I had made for some of my suspicions of her, and then I realized a few flaws in my suspicions. So I wasn't very suspicious of her any more).
Clear enough?
Yeah I agree the funny / serious change is not scum indicative, I've dropped it in my compilation case on you. Read it; I explained why your read on rsoultin is super weird, because there is a step missing in your resume, just here:
" Before I was able to reread things, rsoultin made some posts that were contrary to the assumptions I had made for some of my suspicions of her, and then I realized a few flaws in my suspicions. *THEN I FOUND ANOTHER REASON TO SCUMREAD HER * So I wasn't very suspicious of her any more)."
Since you seem to be catching up, I suppose you have answered my big post later
On September 30 2015 11:09 LightningStrike wrote: ##Vote: Tfrel
???
Did you not read the fact I like the case on Tfrel?
Please direct me to this incredibly amazingly wonderful case on me?
Rels case plus what others had said about you.
Then I'm assuming you are referring to the one I quoted earlier.
That case is absolute garbage. The claim that Rels makes is that LightningStrike's posts to that point actively pushed the game forward. The thing is, pushing the game forward early in the game can be rather difficult to do, and most people can't do it (even when they try). I know that I can't do it, but I'll keep trying anyway, largely because it's fun.
LightningStrike's posts didn't drive the game forward. Of the posts that Rels quoted that he claims show that LightningStrike pushed the game forward, the following posts do nothing of the sort: + Show Spoiler +
As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background.
I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it.
But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it.
I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD
But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music.
I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking).
Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs.
One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ):
TLDR please? Also guys I'm town this game let's get some scum lynched!
Asking for TLDR does not drive the game forward. Saying you are town does not drive the game forward. Saying you want to lynch scum does not drive the game forward.
As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background.
I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it.
But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it.
I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD
But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music.
I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking).
Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs.
One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ):
TLDR please? Also guys I'm town this game let's get some scum lynched!
TLDR:
yada yada music yada
not posting cause music yada yada
Anyway, this post is extremely scummy. Rsoultin is clearly mafia.
Why does she not take a stance? She's just fanning the flames and waiting to see where everyone comes down instead of actually leading the thread.
##vote rsoultin
Policy lynching her already? Oh please I thought that post was funny from her lol.
Basically saying "Policy lynching rsoultin is bad". But he's not actually saying anything about my (Trfel's) alignment here, or anything about rsoultin (other than not wanting to policy lynch her at this time).
On September 29 2015 07:19 Damdred wrote: Ok I have a couple terrible town reads
Is this going to be the theme for early Day 1? This just going to a shitfest.....
He doesn't say anything about Damdred's alignment at all. He just comments.
What these posts have in common is that they don't drive the thread forward or contribute towards any reads. They're just commenting without taking a stance.
CLARIFICATION: I do NOT think that these posts are scummy or bad. While they don't drive the thread forward, they don't hurt town at all. In fact, LightningStrike's early posting suggests that he is town, so that is useful. But that doesn't change the fact that Rels' claim is simply wrong.
The other two posts that Rels quoted are where LightningStrike asks a question about rsoultin's stance on Damdred: + Show Spoiler +
On September 29 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote: Damdred is looking for a professional sexy person to welcome into his loving towny arms. All applicants will be screened please apply below.
Requirements: A good person to team up with Has to not doubt my alignment once n1 hits or on weekends when I'm busy Must not ignore my posts or talk over me must have a good voice and be funny
and like walks
Please apply for my townfriend
:/
if you're town i would have thought this position was already filled
On September 29 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote: Damdred is looking for a professional sexy person to welcome into his loving towny arms. All applicants will be screened please apply below.
Requirements: A good person to team up with Has to not doubt my alignment once n1 hits or on weekends when I'm busy Must not ignore my posts or talk over me must have a good voice and be funny
and like walks
Please apply for my townfriend
:/
if you're town i would have thought this position was already filled
you wound me deep, damdy
deep
Are you implying Damdred could be mafia for that?
nope
Then what were you implying there?
Which I suppose can maybe be seen as driving the thread forward, but not very strongly. It's essentially just a question for clarification.
On September 29 2015 07:19 Damdred wrote: Ok I have a couple terrible town reads
Is this going to be the theme for early Day 1? This just going to a shitfest.....
If you don't like the direction that the thread is going in, shouldn't you do something about it instead of just commenting?
This post. This is NOT a scumread. I was trying to tell LightningStrike that if he wants the thread to be a certain way, and to have a certain direction/atmosphere, then he should try to create that atmosphere. He could produce some reads with actual explanations, for example. Note that at this point, LightningStrike had actually made zero reads. This isn't driving the thread forward. Again, LightningStrike's posting wasn't bad by any means, I was trying to encourage him to do more (in the primary definition of the word, the positive one).
Basically, Rels' case has no grounds whatsoever, and completely misinterprets LightningStrike's early posts and my post towards him. I am not sure if it makes him mafia or not, but I really don't like it.
Mm OK. I took your reply to LS as an attack. If it was an invitation to continue being serious then I may have overreacted. But this is not the strong point of my push against you. Your rsoultin's read is.
On September 30 2015 13:08 Trfel wrote: Rels, if you'd actually like an explanation for my read progression on rsoultin, let me know and I can provide it.
I do, because it doesn't make sense to me. I'll copy paste what I wrote earlier, with an addition near the end:
The timeline is the following: A - rsoultin is scum for having a weird reaction to Trfel's first post and not leading the thread forward. I thought this vote was a joke, but apparently not.
As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background.
I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it.
But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it.
I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD
But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music.
I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking).
Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs.
One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ):
On September 29 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote: btw truffle nope ^^ i only skimmed it cause yawn lol you can keep your shitty vote
Hm, I kind of actually think you are mafia now.....
But I can't decide if I should push or wait.....
C - rsoultin is not scum anymore
On September 29 2015 09:38 Trfel wrote: Basically my argument against rsoultin kind of doesn't work. I assumed that rsoultin had a certain reason for doing stuff and had a certain interpretation of why I was asking what I asked, but I was wrong.
So basically I dunno.
step added to the timeline D - actually Trfel remembered another reason to scumread rsoultin!
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote: By the way:
O hai!
I'm town
truffle took your position. next phase
oh is this the post you didn't get, truffle?
all i was saying was that you had already posted the "post to get reactions/discussion started" post, and that gb could move on to something more productive
i don't know why i always assume these things are blindingly obvious lol ><
OH YEAH that was my argument!
Thank you for reminding me!
Never mind, it's still somewhat valid.
E - rsoultin is scum for focusing too much on Trfel's and GB's "baits" ... I think
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote: By the way:
O hai!
I'm town
truffle took your position. next phase
oh is this the post you didn't get, truffle?
all i was saying was that you had already posted the "post to get reactions/discussion started" post, and that gb could move on to something more productive
i don't know why i always assume these things are blindingly obvious lol ><
Basically, GlowingBear made this one post purely to generate discussion. His other posts before this post that you made were serious posts.
The post you quoted, the "I'm town" post, does nothing to promote discussion at all. My opening posts also didn't end up creating any discussion.
Basically, your post claims that my opening posts actually had a purpose and created discussion, and GlowingBear was actually succeeding at making provocative posts. Both claims I disagree with.
Hm, but now that I think about it I don't think that this is a good argument
Wow, I'm really bad at this.
I don't understand this rsoultin read progression. It really feels like Trfel decided rsoultin was scum but had a hard time finding the reason why. It is scum indicative 'cause mafia do exactly that; they decide who to scumread and who to townread for strategic purposes, then look for things that makes their targets townie or scummy.
It is scum indicative 'cause mafia do exactly that; they decide who to scumread and who to townread for strategic purposes, then look for things that makes their targets townie or scummy.
how often do you see examples of mafia actually scumreading someone and then making themselves look really stupid with the subsequent explanations?
not often i wager
sure mafia decide who they are going to town/mafiaread for strategic purposes, but they then usually decide the reasons as well so what happened to Trfel doesn't happen
i grant you it's a strange thing, but you're not selling its scummyness to me right now
I agree it's stupid. It is the most likely explanation though; how do you explain town Trfel keeping his rsoultin scumread even after admitting his first reason was bad ? I mean, his first reason was so bad I dismissed the post as a joke. The only explanation for town Trfel to do that is if he is joking with rsoultin, like getting her angry on purpose for humour.
Let me help you out a bit. Skype conversation with rsoultin, about an hour before the game started.
"you know i'm actually going to lynch you day 1 ^^" "i feel like if i actually push you all day during the game it would get on your nerves eventually but then again you're going to roll mafia, so maybe that's not so bad XD"
OK that's what your first scumread looked like, happy to have read that correctly. (= So you've explained A (teasing), B and C steps (having a bad reason to scumread her, then realizing it's bad). But I don't understand the D and E steps. That cannot be explained by teasing ? You say "my read on rsoultin was bad", then "Oh I forgot another reason I had to scumread her!", then "yeah that was that reason too! ... but actually that's not super good". What is the explanation for that ?
On September 30 2015 11:09 rsoultin wrote: eeeehhhh something's off...has marv been pushing anything worth pushing, damdy? i know you think he's lock town, but i don't think he's ever done anything as asinine as park a vote on me with the mandate "make a post you can only make as town"...it's not a scumread at all and i have one of the most difficult playstyles to nail down, if people's difficulty in catching my scumplay is any indication
mafia.
##unvote ##vote: rsoultin
OK I fact checked that and it's true. Marv didn't post anything between rsoultin's townread of him and the "marv didn't push anything worth Damdy" post. Later she lists marv as one of the three lynch candidates from her POV. That doesn't make sense. rsoultin voted marv at the beginning of the game to pressure him. Then when marv did stuff, she put it in the "strong townread" category, before putting him in the "I would lynch him" category 1h30 later when marv DID NOT POST A THING BETWEEN.
On September 30 2015 09:56 Damdred wrote: RS rayn is town?
stronger read on you and marv, but i think so
he's being malleable which is more a town trait of his...malleable for rayn, anyway
i know that the scott vote contradicts that lol ><
On September 30 2015 09:21 rsoultin wrote:
ye that was about it, other than agree with marv 100% on the semantics argument earlier not as interesting as you think it was rayn lol ><
strong townreads damdy rayn marv
On September 30 2015 11:09 rsoultin wrote: eeeehhhh something's off...has marv been pushing anything worth pushing, damdy? i know you think he's lock town, but i don't think he's ever done anything as asinine as park a vote on me with the mandate "make a post you can only make as town"...it's not a scumread at all and i have one of the most difficult playstyles to nail down, if people's difficulty in catching my scumplay is any indication
mafia.
##unvote ##vote: rsoultin
OK I fact checked that and it's true. Marv didn't post anything between rsoultin's townread of him and the "marv didn't push anything worth Damdy" post. Later she lists marv as one of the three lynch candidates from her POV. That doesn't make sense. rsoultin voted marv at the beginning of the game to pressure him. Then when marv did stuff, she put it in the "strong townread" category, before putting him in the "I would lynch him" category 1h30 later when marv DID NOT POST A THING BETWEEN.
yes, i reevaluated cause other players i thought looked scummy or could be scum were looking more townie to me -shrugs- it happens
what was the reason you put marv in your "strong townread" list ?
On September 30 2015 09:56 Damdred wrote: RS rayn is town?
stronger read on you and marv, but i think so
he's being malleable which is more a town trait of his...malleable for rayn, anyway
i know that the scott vote contradicts that lol ><
On September 30 2015 09:21 rsoultin wrote:
ye that was about it, other than agree with marv 100% on the semantics argument earlier not as interesting as you think it was rayn lol ><
strong townreads damdy rayn marv
On September 30 2015 11:09 rsoultin wrote: eeeehhhh something's off...has marv been pushing anything worth pushing, damdy? i know you think he's lock town, but i don't think he's ever done anything as asinine as park a vote on me with the mandate "make a post you can only make as town"...it's not a scumread at all and i have one of the most difficult playstyles to nail down, if people's difficulty in catching my scumplay is any indication
mafia.
##unvote ##vote: rsoultin
OK I fact checked that and it's true. Marv didn't post anything between rsoultin's townread of him and the "marv didn't push anything worth Damdy" post. Later she lists marv as one of the three lynch candidates from her POV. That doesn't make sense. rsoultin voted marv at the beginning of the game to pressure him. Then when marv did stuff, she put it in the "strong townread" category, before putting him in the "I would lynch him" category 1h30 later when marv DID NOT POST A THING BETWEEN.
yes, i reevaluated cause other players i thought looked scummy or could be scum were looking more townie to me -shrugs- it happens
what was the reason you put marv in your "strong townread" list ?
mostly just his reaction to the votes seemed pretty townie because of anger to me...i also liked some of his other stray comments later, but i don't think he actually did anything to progress the thread on further reflection
plus the whole the vote stays unless you say something that only town rsoul could say just is really ridiculous for a push on anyone
I don't understand this. There is a disconnect here 1 - you like marv's reactions to the pressure so he's top town 2 - you remembered he did nothing 3 - he's one of your 3 top lynches
Plus I don't understand why he wouldn't do this "I'll vote rsoultin until she posts something she couldn't post as scum" post.
On September 30 2015 20:25 rsoultin wrote: truffle's weirdness with his pushes on me were clarified as our joke, which i thought they might be, plus he's putting in the effort again so i felt good about him
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote: By the way:
O hai!
I'm town
truffle took your position. next phase
oh is this the post you didn't get, truffle?
all i was saying was that you had already posted the "post to get reactions/discussion started" post, and that gb could move on to something more productive
i don't know why i always assume these things are blindingly obvious lol ><
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote: By the way:
O hai!
I'm town
truffle took your position. next phase
oh is this the post you didn't get, truffle?
all i was saying was that you had already posted the "post to get reactions/discussion started" post, and that gb could move on to something more productive
i don't know why i always assume these things are blindingly obvious lol ><
Basically, GlowingBear made this one post purely to generate discussion. His other posts before this post that you made were serious posts.
The post you quoted, the "I'm town" post, does nothing to promote discussion at all. My opening posts also didn't end up creating any discussion.
Basically, your post claims that my opening posts actually had a purpose and created discussion, and GlowingBear was actually succeeding at making provocative posts. Both claims I disagree with.
Hm, but now that I think about it I don't think that this is a good argument
On September 30 2015 20:25 rsoultin wrote: truffle's weirdness with his pushes on me were clarified as our joke, which i thought they might be, plus he's putting in the effort again so i felt good about him
Wait do you think these two posts are jokes too ?
On September 29 2015 09:39 Trfel wrote:
On September 29 2015 09:33 rsoultin wrote:
On September 29 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote:
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote: By the way:
O hai!
I'm town
truffle took your position. next phase
oh is this the post you didn't get, truffle?
all i was saying was that you had already posted the "post to get reactions/discussion started" post, and that gb could move on to something more productive
i don't know why i always assume these things are blindingly obvious lol ><
OH YEAH that was my argument!
Thank you for reminding me!
Never mind, it's still somewhat valid.
On September 29 2015 09:44 Trfel wrote:
On September 29 2015 09:33 rsoultin wrote:
On September 29 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote:
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote: By the way:
O hai!
I'm town
truffle took your position. next phase
oh is this the post you didn't get, truffle?
all i was saying was that you had already posted the "post to get reactions/discussion started" post, and that gb could move on to something more productive
i don't know why i always assume these things are blindingly obvious lol ><
Basically, GlowingBear made this one post purely to generate discussion. His other posts before this post that you made were serious posts.
The post you quoted, the "I'm town" post, does nothing to promote discussion at all. My opening posts also didn't end up creating any discussion.
Basically, your post claims that my opening posts actually had a purpose and created discussion, and GlowingBear was actually succeeding at making provocative posts. Both claims I disagree with.
Hm, but now that I think about it I don't think that this is a good argument
Wow, I'm really bad at this.
they're clearly not lol and he admitted to as much? what's your point?
WTF you just said Trfel's push on you was a joke I quoted two posts that are part of his push on you and you say they're not a joke ??
On September 30 2015 20:38 rsoultin wrote: also i think we have scum in rels tbh, based on people's reactions to marv's "case" that wasn't a case and rels' push on truffle all game lol
I push mafia marv's case is true Trfel's read progression on you is weird How does it makes me mafia ?
On September 30 2015 20:25 rsoultin wrote: truffle's weirdness with his pushes on me were clarified as our joke, which i thought they might be, plus he's putting in the effort again so i felt good about him
Wait do you think these two posts are jokes too ?
On September 29 2015 09:39 Trfel wrote:
On September 29 2015 09:33 rsoultin wrote:
On September 29 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote:
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote: By the way:
O hai!
I'm town
truffle took your position. next phase
oh is this the post you didn't get, truffle?
all i was saying was that you had already posted the "post to get reactions/discussion started" post, and that gb could move on to something more productive
i don't know why i always assume these things are blindingly obvious lol ><
OH YEAH that was my argument!
Thank you for reminding me!
Never mind, it's still somewhat valid.
On September 29 2015 09:44 Trfel wrote:
On September 29 2015 09:33 rsoultin wrote:
On September 29 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote:
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote: By the way:
O hai!
I'm town
truffle took your position. next phase
oh is this the post you didn't get, truffle?
all i was saying was that you had already posted the "post to get reactions/discussion started" post, and that gb could move on to something more productive
i don't know why i always assume these things are blindingly obvious lol ><
Basically, GlowingBear made this one post purely to generate discussion. His other posts before this post that you made were serious posts.
The post you quoted, the "I'm town" post, does nothing to promote discussion at all. My opening posts also didn't end up creating any discussion.
Basically, your post claims that my opening posts actually had a purpose and created discussion, and GlowingBear was actually succeeding at making provocative posts. Both claims I disagree with.
Hm, but now that I think about it I don't think that this is a good argument
Wow, I'm really bad at this.
they're clearly not lol and he admitted to as much? what's your point?
WTF you just said Trfel's push on you was a joke I quoted two posts that are part of his push on you and you say they're not a joke ??
when he said i was still mafia and left was a joke, and when he started pushing on me was a joke, so the problem with the progression of his scumread on me is not a problem because only the parts you quoted were serious
I agree, and that is this part of the read progression that doesn't make sense. Why would he go "Oh I forgot one reason to scumread you, here it is"
On September 30 2015 20:38 rsoultin wrote: also i think we have scum in rels tbh, based on people's reactions to marv's "case" that wasn't a case and rels' push on truffle all game lol
I push mafia marv's case is true Trfel's read progression on you is weird How does it makes me mafia ?
marv's case is demonstrably false by my role pm lol
moreover i've explained it more than adequately from a townie mindset. address what in my explanation doesn't make sense
explain how trfel's read progression on me is weird given the knowledge that only the posts you quoted were serious from him
and i expect mafia to capitalize on what is most likely a town marv pushing on a town rsoul; we're kind of the defalut nks along with rayn in this game xP it's obvious that mislynching any of us would be fucking brilliant for scum
it doesn't make sense that you townread marv for his reaction to the pressure votes THEN realized he's done nothing and scumread him you having doubts about him is the reason you pressure voted him! Your flip flop on him is unbelievable
On September 30 2015 20:25 rsoultin wrote: truffle's weirdness with his pushes on me were clarified as our joke, which i thought they might be, plus he's putting in the effort again so i felt good about him
Wait do you think these two posts are jokes too ?
On September 29 2015 09:39 Trfel wrote:
On September 29 2015 09:33 rsoultin wrote:
On September 29 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote:
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote: By the way:
O hai!
I'm town
truffle took your position. next phase
oh is this the post you didn't get, truffle?
all i was saying was that you had already posted the "post to get reactions/discussion started" post, and that gb could move on to something more productive
i don't know why i always assume these things are blindingly obvious lol ><
OH YEAH that was my argument!
Thank you for reminding me!
Never mind, it's still somewhat valid.
On September 29 2015 09:44 Trfel wrote:
On September 29 2015 09:33 rsoultin wrote:
On September 29 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote:
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote: By the way:
O hai!
I'm town
truffle took your position. next phase
oh is this the post you didn't get, truffle?
all i was saying was that you had already posted the "post to get reactions/discussion started" post, and that gb could move on to something more productive
i don't know why i always assume these things are blindingly obvious lol ><
Basically, GlowingBear made this one post purely to generate discussion. His other posts before this post that you made were serious posts.
The post you quoted, the "I'm town" post, does nothing to promote discussion at all. My opening posts also didn't end up creating any discussion.
Basically, your post claims that my opening posts actually had a purpose and created discussion, and GlowingBear was actually succeeding at making provocative posts. Both claims I disagree with.
Hm, but now that I think about it I don't think that this is a good argument
Wow, I'm really bad at this.
they're clearly not lol and he admitted to as much? what's your point?
WTF you just said Trfel's push on you was a joke I quoted two posts that are part of his push on you and you say they're not a joke ??
when he said i was still mafia and left was a joke, and when he started pushing on me was a joke, so the problem with the progression of his scumread on me is not a problem because only the parts you quoted were serious
I agree, and that is this part of the read progression that doesn't make sense. Why would he go "Oh I forgot one reason to scumread you, here it is"
he already explained that my later posts made it seem like i was going a different direction?
better question is why you're pushing this "truffle's read progression on rsoul" thing so hard, from the very beginning of the game, yet the moment marv comes out with a case on me, you sheep it
do you really think we could be scum together?
you clearly are much more adamant about this point from early game on truffle that you've been harping on and filling most of your filter with than anything anyone has said about me. there's a truffle wagon and yet you're voting me lol
this does not compute
i think you're scum for it
^ note to all townies if marv's fit gets me lynched...rels is probably scum here for this...dropping the push on truffle to come after me when, rationally, i should be town in his eyes
No, I don't think you can be scum together, hence why I dropped my vote to you. Your read reversal on marv is muuuuuch more scum indicative than Trfel's weird "I forgot my reason here it is" post.
On September 30 2015 20:38 rsoultin wrote: also i think we have scum in rels tbh, based on people's reactions to marv's "case" that wasn't a case and rels' push on truffle all game lol
I push mafia marv's case is true Trfel's read progression on you is weird How does it makes me mafia ?
marv's case is demonstrably false by my role pm lol
moreover i've explained it more than adequately from a townie mindset. address what in my explanation doesn't make sense
explain how trfel's read progression on me is weird given the knowledge that only the posts you quoted were serious from him
and i expect mafia to capitalize on what is most likely a town marv pushing on a town rsoul; we're kind of the defalut nks along with rayn in this game xP it's obvious that mislynching any of us would be fucking brilliant for scum
it doesn't make sense that you townread marv for his reaction to the pressure votes THEN realized he's done nothing and scumread him you having doubts about him is the reason you pressure voted him! Your flip flop on him is unbelievable
yup this is your true scum lol he's making things up now
it's perfectly reasonable to reevaluate based on the game state. there is nothing unreasonable about it
the better question is what do i gain from flipping my read on marv at that point?
what am I making up ? you scumread marv because you didn't have enough scumreads who are your scumreads now anyway ? me, scott ?
On September 30 2015 20:25 rsoultin wrote: truffle's weirdness with his pushes on me were clarified as our joke, which i thought they might be, plus he's putting in the effort again so i felt good about him
Wait do you think these two posts are jokes too ?
On September 29 2015 09:39 Trfel wrote:
On September 29 2015 09:33 rsoultin wrote: [quote]
oh is this the post you didn't get, truffle?
all i was saying was that you had already posted the "post to get reactions/discussion started" post, and that gb could move on to something more productive
i don't know why i always assume these things are blindingly obvious lol ><
OH YEAH that was my argument!
Thank you for reminding me!
Never mind, it's still somewhat valid.
On September 29 2015 09:44 Trfel wrote:
On September 29 2015 09:33 rsoultin wrote: [quote]
oh is this the post you didn't get, truffle?
all i was saying was that you had already posted the "post to get reactions/discussion started" post, and that gb could move on to something more productive
i don't know why i always assume these things are blindingly obvious lol ><
Basically, GlowingBear made this one post purely to generate discussion. His other posts before this post that you made were serious posts.
The post you quoted, the "I'm town" post, does nothing to promote discussion at all. My opening posts also didn't end up creating any discussion.
Basically, your post claims that my opening posts actually had a purpose and created discussion, and GlowingBear was actually succeeding at making provocative posts. Both claims I disagree with.
Hm, but now that I think about it I don't think that this is a good argument
Wow, I'm really bad at this.
they're clearly not lol and he admitted to as much? what's your point?
WTF you just said Trfel's push on you was a joke I quoted two posts that are part of his push on you and you say they're not a joke ??
when he said i was still mafia and left was a joke, and when he started pushing on me was a joke, so the problem with the progression of his scumread on me is not a problem because only the parts you quoted were serious
I agree, and that is this part of the read progression that doesn't make sense. Why would he go "Oh I forgot one reason to scumread you, here it is"
he already explained that my later posts made it seem like i was going a different direction?
better question is why you're pushing this "truffle's read progression on rsoul" thing so hard, from the very beginning of the game, yet the moment marv comes out with a case on me, you sheep it
do you really think we could be scum together?
you clearly are much more adamant about this point from early game on truffle that you've been harping on and filling most of your filter with than anything anyone has said about me. there's a truffle wagon and yet you're voting me lol
this does not compute
i think you're scum for it
^ note to all townies if marv's fit gets me lynched...rels is probably scum here for this...dropping the push on truffle to come after me when, rationally, i should be town in his eyes
No, I don't think you can be scum together, hence why I dropped my vote to you. Your read reversal on marv is muuuuuch more scum indicative than Trfel's weird "I forgot my reason here it is" post.
mafia lol explain how it's more scum indicative in your eyes
i'm on the edge of my seat
On September 30 2015 19:08 Rels wrote: mm that rsoultin stuff is damning going to finish catching up then will fact check your posts if she really turned around her read on you based on nothing, she's probably mafia running out of targets to scumread
On September 30 2015 09:56 Damdred wrote: RS rayn is town?
stronger read on you and marv, but i think so
he's being malleable which is more a town trait of his...malleable for rayn, anyway
i know that the scott vote contradicts that lol ><
On September 30 2015 09:21 rsoultin wrote:
ye that was about it, other than agree with marv 100% on the semantics argument earlier not as interesting as you think it was rayn lol ><
strong townreads damdy rayn marv
On September 30 2015 11:09 rsoultin wrote: eeeehhhh something's off...has marv been pushing anything worth pushing, damdy? i know you think he's lock town, but i don't think he's ever done anything as asinine as park a vote on me with the mandate "make a post you can only make as town"...it's not a scumread at all and i have one of the most difficult playstyles to nail down, if people's difficulty in catching my scumplay is any indication
mafia.
##unvote ##vote: rsoultin
OK I fact checked that and it's true. Marv didn't post anything between rsoultin's townread of him and the "marv didn't push anything worth Damdy" post. Later she lists marv as one of the three lynch candidates from her POV. That doesn't make sense. rsoultin voted marv at the beginning of the game to pressure him. Then when marv did stuff, she put it in the "strong townread" category, before putting him in the "I would lynch him" category 1h30 later when marv DID NOT POST A THING BETWEEN.
On September 30 2015 09:56 Damdred wrote: RS rayn is town?
stronger read on you and marv, but i think so
he's being malleable which is more a town trait of his...malleable for rayn, anyway
i know that the scott vote contradicts that lol ><
On September 30 2015 09:21 rsoultin wrote:
ye that was about it, other than agree with marv 100% on the semantics argument earlier not as interesting as you think it was rayn lol ><
strong townreads damdy rayn marv
On September 30 2015 11:09 rsoultin wrote: eeeehhhh something's off...has marv been pushing anything worth pushing, damdy? i know you think he's lock town, but i don't think he's ever done anything as asinine as park a vote on me with the mandate "make a post you can only make as town"...it's not a scumread at all and i have one of the most difficult playstyles to nail down, if people's difficulty in catching my scumplay is any indication
mafia.
##unvote ##vote: rsoultin
OK I fact checked that and it's true. Marv didn't post anything between rsoultin's townread of him and the "marv didn't push anything worth Damdy" post. Later she lists marv as one of the three lynch candidates from her POV. That doesn't make sense. rsoultin voted marv at the beginning of the game to pressure him. Then when marv did stuff, she put it in the "strong townread" category, before putting him in the "I would lynch him" category 1h30 later when marv DID NOT POST A THING BETWEEN.
this was rels' reason for voting me
he's clearly stuck on truffle's read progression of me
until you explain why reevaluating the game and thinking that i gave marv's fit following being voted for the first time too much credit is unbelievable, you are scum in my eyes
you have a reason to scumread truffle that you've been pushing all game, where we can't be scum together, but you drop it in an instant for this
why would i do this as scum, is the better question?
no one is asking that question
regardless, he drops the read he has been TUNNELING ALL GAME which is one of the reasons i was suspicious of him in the first place, cause it's based solely on early game and has allowed him to barely comment on the rest, but i thought he could be tunneled, to vote off a player who under any normal circumstances cannot possibly be scum with truffle, the player he's been tunneling
this is mafia taking advantage and not believing in what he's been harping on from the beginning
LOL you cannot possibly believe this I was not focusing only on Trfel. I asked questions and pushed reads, town or scum, on several people I liked Trfel's asnwers to the LS stuff, but now I need him to explain to me if the "rsoultin is mafia 'cause she's taking my bait and GB's bait seriously" was serious, and why he posted he forgot it. I'm not so sure he's mafia though compared to yesterday Actually if marv hadn't show me your contradiction, I would have voted coolTLname do I need to make a post to prove I was not tunneled on Trfel to the point of ignoring the rest of the game ?
why would you do this as scum right ? Because you needed more scumreads. Or because strategically someone decided it would be good someone scumread marv
On September 30 2015 19:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Moosydoosy is probably the third mafia. His read on me was literally shit and he STILL sits on his read on me when i have easily refuted all his points.
wow, this kind of hurts, especially because I have a feeling in the following posts I'm going to read, you're going to try to lynch me again off of the reasoning that "Moosy can't be this dumb". after I flip town you're going to send me another bm PM saying I played terribly lol. but if this is what's going to run this course then I'm fine with it.
On September 30 2015 21:09 rsoultin wrote: oh you half did; i just missed it
what is unbelievable about reevaluating reads?
what makes this more likely to come from scum rsoul than town rsoul?
stop saying the same fucking things all the time NOTHING is wrong about re evaluating reads but you fucking PRESSURE VOTED marv 'cause you had doubts about him then you townread him for how he responded to the pressure THEN you scumread him for something he did BEFORE the townread, and I assume before the pressure vote
On September 30 2015 21:09 rsoultin wrote: oh you half did; i just missed it
what is unbelievable about reevaluating reads?
what makes this more likely to come from scum rsoul than town rsoul?
stop saying the same fucking things all the time NOTHING is wrong about re evaluating reads but you fucking PRESSURE VOTED marv 'cause you had doubts about him then you townread him for how he responded to the pressure THEN you scumread him for something he did BEFORE the townread, and I assume before the pressure vote
no i scumread him for his overall play
you should ask before you make assertions like this
i townread him because he reacted in a way that i considered to be townie to the pressure, but then continued to do very little to progress the thread, so i then reconsidered that maybe that reaction wasn't worth the hard townread
it's very simple and has already been explained
what doesn't make sense here?
ok confirmed mafia (=
between this moment: "i townread him because he reacted in a way that i considered to be townie to the pressure"
and this moment: "but then continued to do very little to progress the thread, so i then reconsidered that maybe that reaction wasn't worth the hard townread"
marv was AFK, so he couldn't "continue to do very little to progress the thread" (=
On September 30 2015 21:26 rsoultin wrote: to be more clear cause i fail at that a lot
mav continued to do very little
AFTER THE POINT WHERE I FIRST TOWNREAD HIM AND UNVOTED HIM (not when the hosts noticed but when i actually unvoted him many hours earlier) FOR HIS REACTION TO THE PRESSURE
^^
and i'm pretty sure i said something to this effect when i first started talking about marv as scum again, cause i know i was thinking it
On September 30 2015 21:26 rsoultin wrote: to be more clear cause i fail at that a lot
mav continued to do very little
AFTER THE POINT WHERE I FIRST TOWNREAD HIM AND UNVOTED HIM (not when the hosts noticed but when i actually unvoted him many hours earlier) FOR HIS REACTION TO THE PRESSURE
^^
and i'm pretty sure i said something to this effect when i first started talking about marv as scum again, cause i know i was thinking it
oh you mean after the sexy marv post
no i don't actually mean after the sexy marv post
I don't fucking undertand. After what post of yours did marv continues to do nothing ?
On September 30 2015 21:33 rsoultin wrote: okay, rels, reads and reasons
your ls read has been static, that i remember distinctly
so has your truffle read
what was good about scott's list post?
who else do you think is scum and why?
townreads?
i want it all...i'd rather push scum as a counterwagon so if you're town, help me out here
LS is probably town for being serious at the beginning of the game. I'm concerned about him not doing anything since, but you validated his school excuse GB, marv, rayn, Shining, Damdred are all probably town Moosy is probably town because he is making sense sicklucker brings points I understand. I liked his attack on Trfel. I failed reading him in the two games I try so I'll need help on this one scott list matched my reads so I found it good. I was scumreading JRoc though so I'm not sure about hm Trfel may be scum, I liked his answer to the LS stuff and I liked the fact that he was catching up and commenting things. We need to talk about his read on you coolTLname is probably scum, and I don't know why you're protecting him so much you are probably scum
marv is probably not scum which means whoever is scum is probably cackling into their cheerios
especially since damdy isn't scum either
marv, you should probably step away or something, though :/
this was where i townread him for his reaction, early yesterday morning over 24 hours ago, and when i actually unvoted
the sexy post was like 6-8 hours after that between classes cause i liked his vote on moosy and i thought rayn's bitching over semantics was just as asinine as marv's post suggested
marv is probably not scum which means whoever is scum is probably cackling into their cheerios
especially since damdy isn't scum either
marv, you should probably step away or something, though :/
this was where i townread him for his reaction, early yesterday morning over 24 hours ago, and when i actually unvoted
the sexy post was like 6-8 hours after that between classes cause i liked his vote on moosy and i thought rayn's bitching over semantics was just as asinine as marv's post suggested
OK let me check if that makes sense
It doesn't fucking make sense marv did things between this post and your scumread of him. The two main things are him defending Trfel and attacking Moosy, both things you're in agreement with!
On September 29 2015 23:07 marvellosity wrote: ok. i'm not sure how/why that's the same though?
It's like he says one thing then suddenly he says something completely different when anything should really have not changed in his opinion.
It's not obvious from the post you quoted, but if that is what happened, then it is similar to this game's rsoultin read progression.
Trfel had called ruxxar mafia for 3 ird-days. (D1/N1). On D2 he says what is quoted red in my post.
oooo I thought you were talking about deconduo's read!! Yeah if he scumread ruxxar all game, the sentence "I need to look closer at ruxxar" makes 0 sense. It is not exactly what's happening this game (Trfel didn't forget why he was scumreading rsoultin; he dismissed it, then found another reason) but it's similar! Perfect (=
i'm sure i might just be mad, but they don't seem that similar to me at all
1. scumreading someone (seriously) all game -> saying you need to look at them/forgetting what it is 2. scumreading someone with no particular pretense of a read -> weird waffle
On September 30 2015 00:40 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote ##vote: moosydoosy
for the shit tlname read and the shitty vote on me, a null player placing really unwarranted implicit trust in Damdred's metaread
How can you scumread marv on this series of posts when the two maings things he's done are in agreement with your reads ?
On September 30 2015 21:33 rsoultin wrote: okay, rels, reads and reasons
your ls read has been static, that i remember distinctly
so has your truffle read
what was good about scott's list post?
who else do you think is scum and why?
townreads?
i want it all...i'd rather push scum as a counterwagon so if you're town, help me out here
LS is probably town for being serious at the beginning of the game. I'm concerned about him not doing anything since, but you validated his school excuse GB, marv, rayn, Shining, Damdred are all probably town Moosy is probably town because he is making sense sicklucker brings points I understand. I liked his attack on Trfel. I failed reading him in the two games I try so I'll need help on this one scott list matched my reads so I found it good. I was scumreading JRoc though so I'm not sure about hm Trfel may be scum, I liked his answer to the LS stuff and I liked the fact that he was catching up and commenting things. We need to talk about his read on you coolTLname is probably scum, and I don't know why you're protecting him so much you are probably scum
at most you have one scum in here so you're already failing hard if you're town
why is cool probably scum? cause you think he's lying about not being a smurf? i'm not protecting him so much as no one's arguments are very convincing at all through the prism that he's new, and i know that he's new and not a smurf based on student mafia V @.@
he was town in that game making horrendous mistakes and got modkilled for it...they were not veteran mistakes. there is NO REASON to think he is a smurf and i refuse to lynch people for stupid arguments like that
you are not reading the game
On September 30 2015 05:52 Rels wrote: still this more or less:
On September 29 2015 21:21 Rels wrote: This first post by coolTLname is super scummy. It is his first post, and he talks about a lot of differents subjects. A first post with different subjects is scum indicative as mafia usually has a hard time entering the thread. Plus, I don't know how GB's posts being mechanical and rayn's posts being mechanical are mixed up. Plus, he agrees on a Moosy's posts that I don't understand. Plus, he next post is scummy too:
On September 29 2015 16:47 coolTLname wrote: So i noticed mafia can hold their KP, this makes claiming Roleblock and framing someone possible, as well as fake vet claims. Anyway i propose anyone who claims a blue role to be lynched automatically, if there is no kill , better to leave it in the dark?
Can medics heal themselves?
Two useless questions. After that he posted one more time and gtfo.
without the Moosy part Plus he has refused to explain his weird GF read on you, so I cannot know if he has a reasonning behind it Plus he's clearly trolling, I don't know why a town under suspicion would act like that. But Dandel did exactly that last game, so that makes me wary of lynching him
marv is probably not scum which means whoever is scum is probably cackling into their cheerios
especially since damdy isn't scum either
marv, you should probably step away or something, though :/
this was where i townread him for his reaction, early yesterday morning over 24 hours ago, and when i actually unvoted
the sexy post was like 6-8 hours after that between classes cause i liked his vote on moosy and i thought rayn's bitching over semantics was just as asinine as marv's post suggested
OK let me check if that makes sense
It doesn't fucking make sense marv did things between this post and your scumread of him. The two main things are him defending Trfel and attacking Moosy, both things you're in agreement with!
On September 29 2015 23:27 marvellosity wrote:
On September 29 2015 23:25 Rels wrote:
On September 29 2015 23:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 29 2015 23:12 Rels wrote:
On September 29 2015 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 29 2015 23:07 marvellosity wrote: ok. i'm not sure how/why that's the same though?
It's like he says one thing then suddenly he says something completely different when anything should really have not changed in his opinion.
It's not obvious from the post you quoted, but if that is what happened, then it is similar to this game's rsoultin read progression.
Trfel had called ruxxar mafia for 3 ird-days. (D1/N1). On D2 he says what is quoted red in my post.
oooo I thought you were talking about deconduo's read!! Yeah if he scumread ruxxar all game, the sentence "I need to look closer at ruxxar" makes 0 sense. It is not exactly what's happening this game (Trfel didn't forget why he was scumreading rsoultin; he dismissed it, then found another reason) but it's similar! Perfect (=
i'm sure i might just be mad, but they don't seem that similar to me at all
1. scumreading someone (seriously) all game -> saying you need to look at them/forgetting what it is 2. scumreading someone with no particular pretense of a read -> weird waffle
On September 30 2015 00:40 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote ##vote: moosydoosy
for the shit tlname read and the shitty vote on me, a null player placing really unwarranted implicit trust in Damdred's metaread
How can you scumread marv on this series of posts when the two maings things he's done are in agreement with your reads ?
i was no longer sure on moosy's being scum at the time i started reevaluating and regardless, him saying things that i agree with does not make him town by default which is why your scott's list post is good cause i agree with the reads assertion is weak as shit
my assertion
which you are not evaluating while seeing if i say things that make "sense"
was that he hadn't done much of anything productive all game...even after he responded to the pressure. specifically i asked damdy if he made any pushes worth pushing
this you just quoted has nothing to do with that
it's not only that. marv pushed for Moosy's lynch. Now maybe you disagreed with this read, but you never said it was why you scumread marv; you said it was because he didn't do anything noteworthy. Which is false since he pushed Moosy
On September 30 2015 21:33 rsoultin wrote: okay, rels, reads and reasons
your ls read has been static, that i remember distinctly
so has your truffle read
what was good about scott's list post?
who else do you think is scum and why?
townreads?
i want it all...i'd rather push scum as a counterwagon so if you're town, help me out here
LS is probably town for being serious at the beginning of the game. I'm concerned about him not doing anything since, but you validated his school excuse GB, marv, rayn, Shining, Damdred are all probably town Moosy is probably town because he is making sense sicklucker brings points I understand. I liked his attack on Trfel. I failed reading him in the two games I try so I'll need help on this one scott list matched my reads so I found it good. I was scumreading JRoc though so I'm not sure about hm Trfel may be scum, I liked his answer to the LS stuff and I liked the fact that he was catching up and commenting things. We need to talk about his read on you coolTLname is probably scum, and I don't know why you're protecting him so much you are probably scum
at most you have one scum in here so you're already failing hard if you're town
why is cool probably scum? cause you think he's lying about not being a smurf? i'm not protecting him so much as no one's arguments are very convincing at all through the prism that he's new, and i know that he's new and not a smurf based on student mafia V @.@
he was town in that game making horrendous mistakes and got modkilled for it...they were not veteran mistakes. there is NO REASON to think he is a smurf and i refuse to lynch people for stupid arguments like that
you are not reading the game
On September 30 2015 05:52 Rels wrote: still this more or less:
On September 29 2015 21:21 Rels wrote: This first post by coolTLname is super scummy. It is his first post, and he talks about a lot of differents subjects. A first post with different subjects is scum indicative as mafia usually has a hard time entering the thread. Plus, I don't know how GB's posts being mechanical and rayn's posts being mechanical are mixed up. Plus, he agrees on a Moosy's posts that I don't understand. Plus, he next post is scummy too:
On September 29 2015 16:47 coolTLname wrote: So i noticed mafia can hold their KP, this makes claiming Roleblock and framing someone possible, as well as fake vet claims. Anyway i propose anyone who claims a blue role to be lynched automatically, if there is no kill , better to leave it in the dark?
Can medics heal themselves?
Two useless questions. After that he posted one more time and gtfo.
without the Moosy part Plus he has refused to explain his weird GF read on you, so I cannot know if he has a reasonning behind it Plus he's clearly trolling, I don't know why a town under suspicion would act like that. But Dandel did exactly that last game, so that makes me wary of lynching him
i am. it's just a long game
...
okay...i can see this. i'm not sure why scum under suspicion trolls either which you're clearly aware this is nai but i can see having an issue with him not explaining the GF read
marv is probably not scum which means whoever is scum is probably cackling into their cheerios
especially since damdy isn't scum either
marv, you should probably step away or something, though :/
this was where i townread him for his reaction, early yesterday morning over 24 hours ago, and when i actually unvoted
the sexy post was like 6-8 hours after that between classes cause i liked his vote on moosy and i thought rayn's bitching over semantics was just as asinine as marv's post suggested
OK let me check if that makes sense
It doesn't fucking make sense marv did things between this post and your scumread of him. The two main things are him defending Trfel and attacking Moosy, both things you're in agreement with!
On September 29 2015 23:27 marvellosity wrote:
On September 29 2015 23:25 Rels wrote:
On September 29 2015 23:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 29 2015 23:12 Rels wrote:
On September 29 2015 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 29 2015 23:07 marvellosity wrote: ok. i'm not sure how/why that's the same though?
It's like he says one thing then suddenly he says something completely different when anything should really have not changed in his opinion.
It's not obvious from the post you quoted, but if that is what happened, then it is similar to this game's rsoultin read progression.
Trfel had called ruxxar mafia for 3 ird-days. (D1/N1). On D2 he says what is quoted red in my post.
oooo I thought you were talking about deconduo's read!! Yeah if he scumread ruxxar all game, the sentence "I need to look closer at ruxxar" makes 0 sense. It is not exactly what's happening this game (Trfel didn't forget why he was scumreading rsoultin; he dismissed it, then found another reason) but it's similar! Perfect (=
i'm sure i might just be mad, but they don't seem that similar to me at all
1. scumreading someone (seriously) all game -> saying you need to look at them/forgetting what it is 2. scumreading someone with no particular pretense of a read -> weird waffle
On September 30 2015 00:40 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote ##vote: moosydoosy
for the shit tlname read and the shitty vote on me, a null player placing really unwarranted implicit trust in Damdred's metaread
How can you scumread marv on this series of posts when the two maings things he's done are in agreement with your reads ?
i was no longer sure on moosy's being scum at the time i started reevaluating and regardless, him saying things that i agree with does not make him town by default which is why your scott's list post is good cause i agree with the reads assertion is weak as shit
my assertion
which you are not evaluating while seeing if i say things that make "sense"
was that he hadn't done much of anything productive all game...even after he responded to the pressure. specifically i asked damdy if he made any pushes worth pushing
this you just quoted has nothing to do with that
it's not only that. marv pushed for Moosy's lynch. Now maybe you disagreed with this read, but you never said it was why you scumread marv; you said it was because he didn't do anything noteworthy. Which is false since he pushed Moosy
i said a push worth pushing...obviously there's some subjectivity involved here
he clearly started pushing moosy for voting for him then when off on moosy saying cool "scared" him...which just isn't anything worthwhile imo
like even if moosy were scum, why would he be scared of cool? it's definitely not a scum slip and implies just what moosy said it implied...that moosy was calling cool scummy or scum
in other words, no, i did not find that push noteworthy or worthy of marv as a player...i liked him voting for moosy cause i was scumreading moosy, nothing more. the sexy comment was mostly for his response to rayn's bitching and the vote, not the argument
On September 30 2015 11:09 rsoultin wrote: eeeehhhh something's off...has marv been pushing anything worth pushing, damdy? i know you think he's lock town, but i don't think he's ever done anything as asinine as park a vote on me with the mandate "make a post you can only make as town"...it's not a scumread at all and i have one of the most difficult playstyles to nail down, if people's difficulty in catching my scumplay is any indication
mafia.
##unvote ##vote: rsoultin
She townread you here:
On September 29 2015 20:03 rsoultin wrote: meh
marv is probably not scum which means whoever is scum is probably cackling into their cheerios
especially since damdy isn't scum either
marv, you should probably step away or something, though :/
and between this post and her scumread post you did things, so she could have re evaluated.
So the question is: did your posts between the original townread and the scumread really warranted a scumread ? Because if that's the case what she's saying makes sense.
The only real thing you did during this series of post was a Moosy push, and here are her reasons for finding this push useless:
marv is probably not scum which means whoever is scum is probably cackling into their cheerios
especially since damdy isn't scum either
marv, you should probably step away or something, though :/
this was where i townread him for his reaction, early yesterday morning over 24 hours ago, and when i actually unvoted
the sexy post was like 6-8 hours after that between classes cause i liked his vote on moosy and i thought rayn's bitching over semantics was just as asinine as marv's post suggested
OK let me check if that makes sense
It doesn't fucking make sense marv did things between this post and your scumread of him. The two main things are him defending Trfel and attacking Moosy, both things you're in agreement with!
On September 29 2015 23:27 marvellosity wrote:
On September 29 2015 23:25 Rels wrote:
On September 29 2015 23:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 29 2015 23:12 Rels wrote:
On September 29 2015 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 29 2015 23:07 marvellosity wrote: ok. i'm not sure how/why that's the same though?
It's like he says one thing then suddenly he says something completely different when anything should really have not changed in his opinion.
It's not obvious from the post you quoted, but if that is what happened, then it is similar to this game's rsoultin read progression.
Trfel had called ruxxar mafia for 3 ird-days. (D1/N1). On D2 he says what is quoted red in my post.
oooo I thought you were talking about deconduo's read!! Yeah if he scumread ruxxar all game, the sentence "I need to look closer at ruxxar" makes 0 sense. It is not exactly what's happening this game (Trfel didn't forget why he was scumreading rsoultin; he dismissed it, then found another reason) but it's similar! Perfect (=
i'm sure i might just be mad, but they don't seem that similar to me at all
1. scumreading someone (seriously) all game -> saying you need to look at them/forgetting what it is 2. scumreading someone with no particular pretense of a read -> weird waffle
On September 30 2015 00:40 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote ##vote: moosydoosy
for the shit tlname read and the shitty vote on me, a null player placing really unwarranted implicit trust in Damdred's metaread
How can you scumread marv on this series of posts when the two maings things he's done are in agreement with your reads ?
i was no longer sure on moosy's being scum at the time i started reevaluating and regardless, him saying things that i agree with does not make him town by default which is why your scott's list post is good cause i agree with the reads assertion is weak as shit
my assertion
which you are not evaluating while seeing if i say things that make "sense"
was that he hadn't done much of anything productive all game...even after he responded to the pressure. specifically i asked damdy if he made any pushes worth pushing
this you just quoted has nothing to do with that
it's not only that. marv pushed for Moosy's lynch. Now maybe you disagreed with this read, but you never said it was why you scumread marv; you said it was because he didn't do anything noteworthy. Which is false since he pushed Moosy
i said a push worth pushing...obviously there's some subjectivity involved here
he clearly started pushing moosy for voting for him then when off on moosy saying cool "scared" him...which just isn't anything worthwhile imo
like even if moosy were scum, why would he be scared of cool? it's definitely not a scum slip and implies just what moosy said it implied...that moosy was calling cool scummy or scum
in other words, no, i did not find that push noteworthy or worthy of marv as a player...i liked him voting for moosy cause i was scumreading moosy, nothing more. the sexy comment was mostly for his response to rayn's bitching and the vote, not the argument
On September 30 2015 23:01 marvellosity wrote: i don't understand how rsoultin townreading me earlier changes anything in the slightest about what i said.
'cause your case is based on the fact that she townread you, then scumread you when you made no posts in between
rsoultin stop posting this fucking thing. You could have town or scum motivation to put suspicions on marv, repeating this doesn't fucking matter. What's matter is if your read makes sense or not
On September 30 2015 23:01 marvellosity wrote: i don't understand how rsoultin townreading me earlier changes anything in the slightest about what i said.
'cause your case is based on the fact that she townread you, then scumread you when you made no posts in between
i never said once about having no posts in between.
OK true. That was my interpretation of the case. Then all this talking about rsoultin townreading you earlier means nothing
On September 30 2015 23:01 marvellosity wrote: i don't understand how rsoultin townreading me earlier changes anything in the slightest about what i said.
'cause your case is based on the fact that she townread you, then scumread you when you made no posts in between
i never said once about having no posts in between.
OK true. That was my interpretation of the case. Then all this talking about rsoultin townreading you earlier means nothing
On September 30 2015 23:01 marvellosity wrote: i don't understand how rsoultin townreading me earlier changes anything in the slightest about what i said.
'cause your case is based on the fact that she townread you, then scumread you when you made no posts in between
i never said once about having no posts in between.
OK true. That was my interpretation of the case. Then all this talking about rsoultin townreading you earlier means nothing
the point of it was that she got a very strong townread on me
and then about 10 players in the game (it is literally 10 players, i went from #2 towniest to #12 towniest) leapt ahead of me in the interim while i was pushing moosy or whatever i was doing.
i.e. i don't believe the reevaluation for a moment
except that the reason i was townreading you i thought could be wrong and disregarding that i didn't like the rest of your play
there's nothing unbelievable about it
why didn't post this "the only thing marv did (Moosy push) is useless because of X X X" when you re evaluated ? Or did you ?
On September 30 2015 23:01 marvellosity wrote: i don't understand how rsoultin townreading me earlier changes anything in the slightest about what i said.
'cause your case is based on the fact that she townread you, then scumread you when you made no posts in between
i never said once about having no posts in between.
OK true. That was my interpretation of the case. Then all this talking about rsoultin townreading you earlier means nothing
the point of it was that she got a very strong townread on me
and then about 10 players in the game (it is literally 10 players, i went from #2 towniest to #12 towniest) leapt ahead of me in the interim while i was pushing moosy or whatever i was doing.
i.e. i don't believe the reevaluation for a moment
except that the reason i was townreading you i thought could be wrong and disregarding that i didn't like the rest of your play
there's nothing unbelievable about it
why didn't post this "the only thing marv did (Moosy push) is useless because of X X X" when you re evaluated ? Or did you ?
cause i didn't go through and just tick off why everything was useless?
i went hey...has he done anything notable since the reaction to the votes? i can't even remember...that's a bad sign
mm that's not believable how could marv go from top town to lynch candidate with the following reason: "marv did nothing notable" without you checking how him pushing Moosy is not notable
On September 30 2015 23:01 marvellosity wrote: i don't understand how rsoultin townreading me earlier changes anything in the slightest about what i said.
'cause your case is based on the fact that she townread you, then scumread you when you made no posts in between
i never said once about having no posts in between.
OK true. That was my interpretation of the case. Then all this talking about rsoultin townreading you earlier means nothing
the point of it was that she got a very strong townread on me
and then about 10 players in the game (it is literally 10 players, i went from #2 towniest to #12 towniest) leapt ahead of me in the interim while i was pushing moosy or whatever i was doing.
i.e. i don't believe the reevaluation for a moment
except that the reason i was townreading you i thought could be wrong and disregarding that i didn't like the rest of your play
there's nothing unbelievable about it
why didn't post this "the only thing marv did (Moosy push) is useless because of X X X" when you re evaluated ? Or did you ?
cause i didn't go through and just tick off why everything was useless?
i went hey...has he done anything notable since the reaction to the votes? i can't even remember...that's a bad sign
mm that's not believable how could marv go from top town to lynch candidate with the following reason: "marv did nothing notable" without you checking how him pushing Moosy is not notable
because i didn't find it notable the first time i read it @.@
I thought you liked the Moosy vote, and that's why you posted sexy Marv! Going to check but I'm pretty sure you said that
you did: [QUOTE]On September 30 2015 22:09 rsoultin wrote: [QUOTE]On September 30 2015 22:05 Rels wrote: [QUOTE]On September 30 2015 22:01 rsoultin wrote: [QUOTE]On September 30 2015 21:58 Rels wrote: [QUOTE]On September 30 2015 21:48 Rels wrote: [QUOTE]On September 30 2015 21:36 rsoultin wrote: [QUOTE]On September 29 2015 20:03 rsoultin wrote: in other words, no, i did not find that push noteworthy or worthy of marv as a player...i liked him voting for moosy cause i was scumreading moosy, nothing more. the sexy comment was mostly for his response to rayn's bitching and the vote, not the argument[/QUOTE] you also said the "sexy Marv" was for the vote, not the push. It is not believable. So in your timeline: 1 - marv votes Moosy 2 - rsoultin likes the vote and post "sexy Marv" 3 - rsoultin finds the push useless but doesn't say it 4 - rsoultin townreads Marv 5 - rsoultin scumreads Marv for not doing anything notable, but does not explain how the Moosy push is not notable
how the fuck do you congratulate marv for his vote and at the same time thinks his push is useless ? It's nonsense
On September 30 2015 22:09 rsoultin wrote: in other words, no, i did not find that push noteworthy or worthy of marv as a player...i liked him voting for moosy cause i was scumreading moosy, nothing more. the sexy comment was mostly for his response to rayn's bitching and the vote, not the argument
you also said the "sexy Marv" was for the vote, not the push. It is not believable. So in your timeline: 1 - marv votes Moosy 2 - rsoultin likes the vote and post "sexy Marv" 3 - rsoultin finds the push useless but doesn't say it 4 - rsoultin townreads Marv 5 - rsoultin scumreads Marv for not doing anything notable, but does not explain how the Moosy push is not notable
how the fuck do you congratulate marv for his vote and at the same time thinks his push is useless ? It's nonsense
because I realized you should have at least talked about marv's Moosy push when you re evaluated him, as it was the biggest thing he's done at that point
On September 30 2015 23:36 Rels wrote: because I realized you should have at least talked about marv's Moosy push when you re evaluated him, as it was the biggest thing he's done at that point
why?
because it was the biggest thing he's done at that point ???
On September 30 2015 23:36 Rels wrote: because I realized you should have at least talked about marv's Moosy push when you re evaluated him, as it was the biggest thing he's done at that point
why?
because it was the biggest thing he's done at that point ???
yeah but why do i have to talk about this specifically? if it's not notable why would i note it? lol ><
The only reason I find that weird is that you bothered to make "sexy Marv" post partly referring to it
On September 30 2015 23:36 Rels wrote: because I realized you should have at least talked about marv's Moosy push when you re evaluated him, as it was the biggest thing he's done at that point
why?
like, i say i have suspicions on so-and-so because i don't think he's done anything notable
why do i need to tick off all the things i don't find notable? i was talking to damdy. i hadn't made a case. i didn't vote marv. i was trying to work out my reads
if i made a case, sure...i could see this argument though i'm still not sure that i'd actually do it. i'm not really a case builder
On September 30 2015 23:36 Rels wrote: because I realized you should have at least talked about marv's Moosy push when you re evaluated him, as it was the biggest thing he's done at that point
why?
because it was the biggest thing he's done at that point ???
yeah but why do i have to talk about this specifically? if it's not notable why would i note it? lol ><
The only reason I find that weird is that you bothered to make "sexy Marv" post partly referring to it
okay let me filter dive myself cause i know i explained the sexy marv post already -_-
i did say it was specifically in reference to his response to rayn and also the vote though. i know that i said this cause that's why i said sexy marv and y'all asked lol ><
yeah you said it was in reference of the vote (and rayn stuff) and not the content
OK rsoultin I will assume you're town I don't think GB or rayn are mafia. rayn because I found him being mafia super easily in personality mafia, and GB 'cause he had the same reads about Trfel than me at the start of the game. Why are they mafia ? I think it's time for coolTLname and Trfel to come answer stuff. And it's time for scott to start doing stuff
On September 30 2015 23:53 marvellosity wrote: the post GB made about being able to push me if we lynched rsoultin and she flipped town was very, very, very weird.
++ I have 20 minutes to read his filter and give my thoughts, after that I'm leaving work
On September 30 2015 21:13 rsoultin wrote: no one is looking at that, because the simple truth of the matter is there is no good scum motivation for what i did
a mislynch is a mislynch; my caring if it was marv or someone else is laughable if i were scum
caring = town
reevaluating and reversing reads suddenly when there are plenty of mislynch targets = town
When I get to work I'll repost the other things ive noted, but thIs set off bells.
So you KNOW I'm a mislynch I see. Rels too? Got it.
pretty cool you appear when the fight is over (= will gladfully read your reads when you post them
On September 29 2015 07:30 sicklucker wrote: My bad town read is trfel because hes making a god awful vote 10 minutes into day 1 that alone will never last 48 hours in 1000 years
And why won't it last?
because i dont even understand it and the day is only 1% over. you will find something else I never understood why people vote 1 minute into a game and then change it 19 times
Do you have a read on rsoultin?
On September 29 2015 07:35 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 29 2015 07:33 Trfel wrote: Damdred, why wasn't being town one of the requirements for being your buddy?
What kind of answer were you expecting when you asked this?
No clue, but I was hoping that it would be useful.
Ok so what do you make out of his answer?
So that's not scummy (related to rsoultin's "GB coached Trfel he should know posts like that are bait")
On September 29 2015 07:30 sicklucker wrote: My bad town read is trfel because hes making a god awful vote 10 minutes into day 1 that alone will never last 48 hours in 1000 years
And why won't it last?
because i dont even understand it and the day is only 1% over. you will find something else I never understood why people vote 1 minute into a game and then change it 19 times
Do you have a read on rsoultin?
On September 29 2015 07:35 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 29 2015 07:33 Trfel wrote: Damdred, why wasn't being town one of the requirements for being your buddy?
What kind of answer were you expecting when you asked this?
No clue, but I was hoping that it would be useful.
Ok so what do you make out of his answer?
So that's not scummy (related to rsoultin's "GB coached Trfel he should know posts like that are bait")
On September 29 2015 07:49 Damdred wrote: GB why are you so focused on truffle
I find his try hardiness weird I don't understand posting his two opening sayinf he won't be playing because he will be practicing the keyboard, but immediately starts playing. Also, why posting it AFTER game start and not before?
These are just weak things, but him asking a question without having a clear objective feels scummy to me. The question he directed to you is typically of someone who saw something scummy and is after some clarification. Instead, he makes nothing out of your answer which indicates he asked just to as, which could simply be scum trying to look like scum hunting
So it IS scummy, if rsoultin's "GB should know Trfel does bait post, he teached him" is true
On September 29 2015 19:16 GlowingBear wrote: Damdy you only had marv going against you about a thing you call a misphrase. I am going against you because you haven't clarified the bait thing yet.
This over emotional reaction reeks Mafia from you. If you're town then you should really consider stop playing because there is nothing more natural in this game than being called Mafia.
@GB: I've heard multiple times that emo Damdred = town, robot Damdred = mafia. Where is your Damdred meta coming from ?
On September 29 2015 07:49 Damdred wrote: GB why are you so focused on truffle
I find his try hardiness weird I don't understand posting his two opening sayinf he won't be playing because he will be practicing the keyboard, but immediately starts playing. Also, why posting it AFTER game start and not before?
These are just weak things, but him asking a question without having a clear objective feels scummy to me. The question he directed to you is typically of someone who saw something scummy and is after some clarification. Instead, he makes nothing out of your answer which indicates he asked just to as, which could simply be scum trying to look like scum hunting
scummy attack on Trfel based on his first posts when he should know they are baits. It is NOT the main reason he is scumreading Trfel though, and his main reason makes sense:
On September 29 2015 17:54 GlowingBear wrote: - My problem with truffle is:
He came to the game really try hard - but his quearions are off. They usually don't have follow ups and I've caught him asking questions just to ask. For example, he asked a question to Damdred "why didn't you put 'town' as a requisition to be your friend?". Damdred answer, truffle never followed up. When I asked what truffle was expecting with that question he said he had no idea. When I asked what he got, he said nothing. Well, why did he ask the question then? I mean, I will usually ask things to further investigate someone's alignment and the answer provided will make me more certain of a read or uncertain. It doesn't seems that truffle was really caring to clarify something or to unveil Damdred's alignment. It just sounded like he wanted to look he was trying to produce content, which looks scummy
2. him saying "Damdred over reacting == mafia", when the meta read I've heard multiple times is exactly the inverse.
3. the "if rsoultin flips town I'll push marv" post:
On September 30 2015 20:00 rsoultin wrote: so to the townies who for some reason think that me going hey, i'm not sure that marv is actually town and trying to get people to look at and talk about him, is likely to come from a scum rsoul
whatcha gonna do when i flip town? xP
I promise I will go after him.
@.@
if he's town that would be really stupid
He said he is 100% sure on you and he is Marv; also, I don't like your read progression on him but I agree with your suspicions on him; also, he is driving the lunch away from truffle; also, he is not willing to discuss anyone else, he simply wants you to be Mafia.
So yeah. I have plenty of reasons to vote Marv if you flip green
Only the third point is really scummy I feel, and he cannot explain it. I would like him to explain to first two.
On September 29 2015 19:16 GlowingBear wrote: Damdy you only had marv going against you about a thing you call a misphrase. I am going against you because you haven't clarified the bait thing yet.
This over emotional reaction reeks Mafia from you. If you're town then you should really consider stop playing because there is nothing more natural in this game than being called Mafia.
@GB: I've heard multiple times that emo Damdred = town, robot Damdred = mafia. Where is your Damdred meta coming from ?
Hi
I've played with Damdred a lot of times and it's not really meta. It's just I have seen Mafia damdred dismissing pushes on him.
The emotional damded I have seen is the "aw, I don't like this game" instead of "fuck you fuck you all"
Damdred is (was) one of the kindest people I have played with. I don't seem him doing this genuinely
that goes against everything I've heard. I think almost all of everything I've heard came from rsoultin, but she apparently can read him 100% so it's pretty good that also goes against his play last game, where I was mafia with him. He was mislynched but was never angry, saying "fuck you", etc.
On October 01 2015 00:30 rsoultin wrote: ye he's emotionally inept as scum
like super robotic
town damdy pouts and rages and grrs and more importantly gb tunneled him for this very reason in a prior game and raged at him after for "behaving badly" so he 100% knows that damdy can do all of this as town
On September 29 2015 21:21 Rels wrote: This first post by coolTLname is super scummy. It is his first post, and he talks about a lot of differents subjects. A first post with different subjects is scum indicative as mafia usually has a hard time entering the thread. Plus, I don't know how GB's posts being mechanical and rayn's posts being mechanical are mixed up. Plus, he agrees on a Moosy's posts that I don't understand. Plus, he next post is scummy too:
On September 29 2015 16:47 coolTLname wrote: So i noticed mafia can hold their KP, this makes claiming Roleblock and framing someone possible, as well as fake vet claims. Anyway i propose anyone who claims a blue role to be lynched automatically, if there is no kill , better to leave it in the dark?
Can medics heal themselves?
Two useless questions. After that he posted one more time and gtfo.
without the Moosy part Plus he has refused to explain his weird GF read on you, so I cannot know if he has a reasonning behind it Plus he's clearly trolling, I don't know why a town under suspicion would act like that. But Dandel did exactly that last game, so that makes me wary of lynching him
We didn't talk about him a lot recently, but I haven't forgot him. I want to see rsoultin's case on GB though, the thing about Damdred's meta being wrong on purpose. See you!
On October 01 2015 02:11 rsoultin wrote: hey truffle my question wasn't for kicks and giggles
what's the point of even asking me whether or not we could be scum together? -_- we'd both know that and rayn used it to completely get me off topic cause i have no self-control @.@ and need to find some
I already answered this....
I still do not understand why we can't be mafia together at all. If you are saying that we can't be mafia together, and there is no reason for this claim, then I think that you are mafia.
In case you missed my previous post, I don't think that your explanation makes sense because your townread on me this game and last game (when we were both town) is about the same, and you reversed it to a scumread there. Your townread on me here isn't a completely hard townread like you claim it is, and you have room to change it. Plus you could not bus me here unless you wanted to do so before the wagon on you started, which wouldn't be a good play.
okay?
you just said that you thought i couldn't reverse my read given my townread earlier, and now you're claiming i'm not hard townreading you?
like i really don't get this, truffle. i'm not scum so by definition we can't be bussing each other.
by definition.
you are either scum and know that i'm not scum
or you are town and know that we're not both scum
like literally, to you, we can never be bussing each other either way, and i don't see why you're pursuing this if you're town? there is 100% reason that we're not mafia together and that's that i'm not mafia and either way you know we're not mafia together
like wtf ><
Oh, sorry, I see what you're saying.
You can't reverse your read on me here after you get votes on you. That would result in you being lynched. It would be extremely opportunistic.
If this wagon had never happened, then you could have reversed your read on me.
You said that Rels is mafia because he switched his vote from me (his scumread) to you, who can't be mafia with me (from Rels' perspective). That is why this is important.
Oh that explains the question Trfel, you promised me an explanation of your rsoultin's read, so please do it N1. I will be away most of the day so I'm trusting that you don't forget. I made a big post with the timeline I didn't understand maybe 12 hours ago
On October 01 2015 06:12 LightningStrike wrote: When I was skimming I saw people throwing around Tina, coolTLname and scott as lynch targets honestly so that how I ended up with that list of that I saw were the lynch targets. Also to answer your question Shining I think he scum for his odd play not matching up to what some people said and didn't have good content either.
mmm but you never see anyone saying anything about GB? seems legit.
GB but it wasn't as prevalent as the main 3.
there is about 5 pages of discussion on GB being mafia. You missed all that while "you were skimming"?
Did I skim it to quickly. Fuck me just lynch me. LYNCH ME.
On October 01 2015 06:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: fucking idiots. i am literally now calling all of you idiots. i called it fucking so fuck fuck fuck. did i say fuck?
On October 01 2015 14:22 Trfel wrote: I can't sleep.............
I'm willing to assume that marvellosity is town.
If rsoultin is town, I guess I'll trust her read on raynpelikoneet here. Just for simplicity. So raynpelikoneet is town, regardless of rsoultin's alignment.
There were several posts that rsoultin made where the tone strongly suggested to me that she is town. My tone reads are terrible, but combine that with some general impressions I got from a Skype chat a while back about mafia, and that she doesn't really like playing mafia, and that if she is mafia she would have been extremely frustrated by raynpelikoneet, it just seems like rsoultin is town. Except for the push on GlowingBear. That's the most significant problem I have with rsoultin at this point, I just cannot see any of the things that she says about GlowingBear. And while I didn't prove any inconsistencies in her thought process, I wasn't completely satisfied by her explanations (notably the explanation with regards to her early read on sicklucker)...
I still want to townread LightningStrike for his early posting, but excuses or no, his posting patterns did fit a mafia motivation.... He got townread by post people early on, and then his activity levels dropped off sharply. I don't like him asking to get lynched instead of rsoultin, but I'm not convinced that it is mafia indicative I suppose. I guess he's probably just town.....
I don't know about Rels. Sometimes he seems reasonable, but I feel that he lacks thread presence. Which is strange because he actually has a fairly long filter. And some of his posts I remember thinking were very unreasonable. I need to figure out why I don't feel much thread presence from him, it may just be that he's being covered up by marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, and rsoultin, or there may be a more interesting reason.
I don't really know about MoosyDoosy and sicklucker. I don't feel confident in reading either of them, their thought process differs so much from my own. I feel like sicklucker's been townread a lot for bad reasons, though... Apparently there was a sicklucker smurf game recently? I thought that the smurf was not sicklucker, though?
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining. Second of all, I already said that we were lynching coolTL when I came back after EoD. Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
That is just false. *I* was the first to push for coolTLname's lynch.
On September 29 2015 21:21 Rels wrote: This first post by coolTLname is super scummy. It is his first post, and he talks about a lot of differents subjects. A first post with different subjects is scum indicative as mafia usually has a hard time entering the thread. Plus, I don't know how GB's posts being mechanical and rayn's posts being mechanical are mixed up. Plus, he agrees on a Moosy's posts that I don't understand. Plus, he next post is scummy too:
On September 29 2015 16:47 coolTLname wrote: So i noticed mafia can hold their KP, this makes claiming Roleblock and framing someone possible, as well as fake vet claims. Anyway i propose anyone who claims a blue role to be lynched automatically, if there is no kill , better to leave it in the dark?
Can medics heal themselves?
Two useless questions. After that he posted one more time and gtfo.
*I* was the first to vote for him.
On October 01 2015 00:35 Rels wrote: alright leaving work super soon. Voting coolTLname for this:
On September 30 2015 05:52 Rels wrote: still this more or less:
On September 29 2015 21:21 Rels wrote: This first post by coolTLname is super scummy. It is his first post, and he talks about a lot of differents subjects. A first post with different subjects is scum indicative as mafia usually has a hard time entering the thread. Plus, I don't know how GB's posts being mechanical and rayn's posts being mechanical are mixed up. Plus, he agrees on a Moosy's posts that I don't understand. Plus, he next post is scummy too:
On September 29 2015 16:47 coolTLname wrote: So i noticed mafia can hold their KP, this makes claiming Roleblock and framing someone possible, as well as fake vet claims. Anyway i propose anyone who claims a blue role to be lynched automatically, if there is no kill , better to leave it in the dark?
Can medics heal themselves?
Two useless questions. After that he posted one more time and gtfo.
without the Moosy part Plus he has refused to explain his weird GF read on you, so I cannot know if he has a reasonning behind it Plus he's clearly trolling, I don't know why a town under suspicion would act like that. But Dandel did exactly that last game, so that makes me wary of lynching him
We didn't talk about him a lot recently, but I haven't forgot him. I want to see rsoultin's case on GB though, the thing about Damdred's meta being wrong on purpose. See you!
##Unvote ##Vote coolTLname
Then GB voted him a few hours later:
On October 01 2015 02:58 GlowingBear wrote: ##unvote ##vote coolTLname
Then YOU voted for him a few hours later:
On October 01 2015 05:38 MoosyDoosy wrote: ##unvote ##vote coolTLname
So this sentence is bullshit: "GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining."
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
So your lynch candidates are coolTLname AND the two persons that voted him before you ? And these two persons being: - the one that was the first to put suspicions on coolTLname - the one that didn't want to switch from coolTLname even with a counter claim ???????????
On October 01 2015 18:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: ... furthermore if he read the voting thread, he is jsut blantantly lying. There was NEVER ever time when coolname/scott/rsoultin were "main lynch targets".
this is just a lie, rayn isn't reading thread, im sure u all remember when rsoultin and trfel had 4 votes a piece.
On October 01 2015 18:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i know LS is not the most logical guy, but he gets his stuff somewhere, everyone does. What he says doesn't make any sense. The conclusion definitely did not come from reading the voting thread, that is 100% obvious. If he had skimmed the thread he would know that (1) GB is actually one of the main lynch targets, (2) rsoultin is not, (3) coolTLname is being voted BECAUSE scott claimed. Somehow he conveniently misses those KEY things that lead to the situation we were at the time. I can't see this being possible unless you are like the most unfortunate person on the planet when you skim through the thread.
i was not voted because scott claimed, he claimed at the last minute after i had already a lot of votes - 7.
GB never had more votes than rsoultin, by the way.
On October 01 2015 19:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: mmm like here is why this coolnamedude is scum;
1) says he wants to be lynched over scott -> tries to vote for scott 2) says i am mafia for things that do not make me mafia, calls me a liar -> either just straight out lying or didn't read the thread.. but -> says people who do not read the thread are mafia.. 3) calls me/you mafia because we are "cluttering the thread for posting so much" -> says rsoultin is town because she has the biggest filter in the game (yes that is literally his only reason he has managed to ACTUALLY provide).
My votes did not even count because i posted them too late, and i've posted much more reasons for why rsoultin is town, the biggest being that she did not vote up Trfel when the votes were tied, stating him as town and just accepting her own lynch.
On October 01 2015 12:47 coolTLname wrote:
On October 01 2015 12:42 Trfel wrote: I could also probably lynch coolTLname for voting at End of Day and then not posting until 39 minutes later. And then saying that he wanted to get lynched after voting for survival.
Like i said earlier, i was busy. To be elaborate i had a therapy session with my dad during the last hour of the game.
I actually checked during the session and it seemed clear i would be lynched , until scott revealed at the last minute.
I didn't really know what the votes or anything that was going on , but scott seemed suspicious enough to me so i tried to mobile vote him.
Unfortunately i was lagging and i cant text for shit, which made my votes not even count, because i missed the deadline, btw.
I've caught rayn not really knowing what happening in the thread multiple times now.
Not reading the thread doesn't make him mafia
Glowing bear u should know better of all people, why would u even say this ? It is quite ridiculous, we all know mafia does not read the thread. Why would a townie not read the thread?
OK rayn you were right he is a fucking smurf. We lynch him
On October 01 2015 08:03 rsoultin wrote: there was a cc...read before you flame
if i go back and see that you guys handled it improperly, there will still be flames.
This and all the preceding posts seem a bit forced. I would assume everyone that is town would be upset over EoD and a blue lynch but I don't see the purpose of this anger. You weren't even around for EoD so do you really have a right to be this mad? Feels more like just a show.
that was my feeling too after that, it doesn't make sense that his conclusions on GB's EOD is "he must be mafia busing coolTLname"
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.
On October 02 2015 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: One of my problems with rsoultin is that she doesn't really have any reads. She just doesn't. She goes like (i added GB here); - GB says stuff about Trfel/Damdred -> rsoultin doesn't care - rayn says stuff about J Roc and other people -> rsoultin doesn't care - stuff happens - marv makes a case on rsoultin -> suddenly huge burst of posts and much caring - rayn agrees -> rsoultin calls rayn scum because i am "itchy" and she "can't get a read on me" (when actually it's just --- she didn't care to have a read on me) - rsoultin is, or by thread sentiment is becoming the main wagon -> suddenly rsoultin DOES care about the stuff about GB, which she didn't care about before - things on coolTLname, J Roc for example -> rsoultin doesn't care to discuss them
like she just cares when it's beneficial to her in terms of not getting lynched, and it looks constructed as hell.
maybe but it's not really true that she doesn't have reads, she have strong townreads that she stated several times
On October 01 2015 11:11 MoosyDoosy wrote: ok first step is to lynch coolTLname 100% D2. There is zero reason for him to have refused to listen to everything that people were stating against rsoultin. The ease with which he pulls out reasons to townread her disturbs me as well. This is most likely a case of TMI where he knows the alignments so finds it easy to be certain on this read.
how do u explain me getting lynched day 1 unless scott claimed tracker ? Does me having a TON of votes, very rapidly , seem mafia like to you?
I was defending the most active townie who was about to get lynched by mafia, Did u notice how she didnt even vote up trfel because she thought he was town? Did u see her other mafia games where she plays 100% differently ? Do u realize she has the largest filter out of anyone in this game ? I could go on but u could also just check my filter.
You didn't get lynched d1 so that first argument is pretty moot because there is no way of knowing if you'd actually be lynched or if a GB wagon or RSo wagon wouldve picked back up. But the pile up of votes does seem pretty weird, unless scum really just gave up on defending you and decided to bus, which I do think is possible cuz of ur play, or unless Damdred was scum and CCd to save you but no offense, I don't think he'd find you worth doing that for.
Um, no. Am I the only one who thinks that statement is inaccurate? I thought Marv would be considered our most active townie, not RSo, seeing as RSo was suspected scum by some and Marv is almost universally TR.
that's nit picking, he surely meant that rsoultin have the most posts in the game
On October 02 2015 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: not to even mention... in over 20 pages of filter. Like what is she doing in this game? What? scumhunting?
I don't know, she was scumreading me and reversed that when she saw I was making sense. That shows she s re evaluting, and not just looking for X scumreads to place. And she also was scumreading scott who claimed blue.
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
So your lynch candidates are coolTLname AND the two persons that voted him before you ? And these two persons being: - the one that was the first to put suspicions on coolTLname - the one that didn't want to switch from coolTLname even with a counter claim ???????????
I gave explanation for GB. My point on you still stands. I do not see you pushing on coolTL at all.
Your point on me is true, so I can't say anything about that. But if you think coolTLname is scum, this GB's read is retarded. He was trying to get people to lynch coolTLname over scott! If he was mafia he would shut up and let things happen
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID
lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time.
I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
So your lynch candidates are coolTLname AND the two persons that voted him before you ? And these two persons being: - the one that was the first to put suspicions on coolTLname - the one that didn't want to switch from coolTLname even with a counter claim ???????????
I gave explanation for GB. My point on you still stands. I do not see you pushing on coolTL at all.
I probably pushed coolTLname more than you. Even if that's not the case, I was the first the suspect him, and I voted him before leaving work, 5 hours before you More than that, I don't understand you saying to GB "maybe you don't realize, but I was the first to vote coolTLname" when GB voted him 2 HOURS BEFORE YOU
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID
lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time.
I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott
Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early?
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
So your lynch candidates are coolTLname AND the two persons that voted him before you ? And these two persons being: - the one that was the first to put suspicions on coolTLname - the one that didn't want to switch from coolTLname even with a counter claim ???????????
I gave explanation for GB. My point on you still stands. I do not see you pushing on coolTL at all.
I probably pushed coolTLname more than you. Even if that's not the case, I was the first the suspect him, and I voted him before leaving work, 5 hours before you More than that, I don't understand you saying to GB "maybe you don't realize, but I was the first to vote coolTLname" when GB voted him 2 HOURS BEFORE YOU
Woah calm down. Why is your response changing so much from this one?
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
So your lynch candidates are coolTLname AND the two persons that voted him before you ? And these two persons being: - the one that was the first to put suspicions on coolTLname - the one that didn't want to switch from coolTLname even with a counter claim ???????????
I gave explanation for GB. My point on you still stands. I do not see you pushing on coolTL at all.
Your point on me is true, so I can't say anything about that. But if you think coolTLname is scum, this GB's read is retarded. He was trying to get people to lynch coolTLname over scott! If he was mafia he would shut up and let things happen
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID
lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time.
I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott
Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early?
WTF you might want to reread what I wrote
Then what did you mean by "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID"
I wrote "if he is mafia GB wouldn't do that. He would shut up, not vote scott, and come back after the lynch" Then I wrote "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID" Got it ?
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
So your lynch candidates are coolTLname AND the two persons that voted him before you ? And these two persons being: - the one that was the first to put suspicions on coolTLname - the one that didn't want to switch from coolTLname even with a counter claim ???????????
I gave explanation for GB. My point on you still stands. I do not see you pushing on coolTL at all.
I probably pushed coolTLname more than you. Even if that's not the case, I was the first the suspect him, and I voted him before leaving work, 5 hours before you More than that, I don't understand you saying to GB "maybe you don't realize, but I was the first to vote coolTLname" when GB voted him 2 HOURS BEFORE YOU
Woah calm down. Why is your response changing so much from this one?
On October 02 2015 05:24 Rels wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:04 Rels wrote:
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
So your lynch candidates are coolTLname AND the two persons that voted him before you ? And these two persons being: - the one that was the first to put suspicions on coolTLname - the one that didn't want to switch from coolTLname even with a counter claim ???????????
I gave explanation for GB. My point on you still stands. I do not see you pushing on coolTL at all.
Your point on me is true, so I can't say anything about that. But if you think coolTLname is scum, this GB's read is retarded. He was trying to get people to lynch coolTLname over scott! If he was mafia he would shut up and let things happen
There's no need to yell. Calm down.
what exactly is changing ?
I mean A. even if you voted for him with GB it didn't make much of a difference and the wagon didn't really get going until me and Shining voted for coolTL. Also, in one your responding calmly and accepting my point. Then you bring it up again and start swinging with it? ok.
I don't understand what you are saying. What precisely am I swinging with ?
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID
lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time.
I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott
Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early?
WTF you might want to reread what I wrote
Then what did you mean by "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID"
I wrote "if he is mafia GB wouldn't do that. He would shut up, not vote scott, and come back after the lynch" Then I wrote "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID" Got it ?
Yes, you're implying I shut up, not voted scott, and came back after the lynch. Which, as I explained, is just false. Then in your response you say: "Oh I wasn't referring to you I'm talking about how this makes GB scummy".
When literally right before you were saying GB couldn't be scum.
I never said this makes GB scummy. I also said you might want to reread what I wrote. So you might want to reread what I wrote Because I said the opposite
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID
lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time.
I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott
In this post, I'm saying mafia GB would have shut up and let people lynch scott It's not what he did
On October 02 2015 05:12 Rels wrote: ACTUALLY [quote] THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID
lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time.
I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott
Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early?
WTF you might want to reread what I wrote
Then what did you mean by "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID"
I wrote "if he is mafia GB wouldn't do that. He would shut up, not vote scott, and come back after the lynch" Then I wrote "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID" Got it ?
Yes, you're implying I shut up, not voted scott, and came back after the lynch. Which, as I explained, is just false. Then in your response you say: "Oh I wasn't referring to you I'm talking about how this makes GB scummy".
When literally right before you were saying GB couldn't be scum.
I never said this makes GB scummy. I also said you might want to reread what I wrote. So you might want to reread what I wrote Because I said the opposite
hm...didn't see the "wouldn't". Either way, I already explained that I go home at around this time ALWAYS. You can look at previous games to verify this.
It's not super important, my point is that your push on GB was stupid I will check it regardless, rayn just listed a mafia game of yours
On October 02 2015 05:26 Rels wrote: [quote] I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott
Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early?
WTF you might want to reread what I wrote
Then what did you mean by "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID"
I wrote "if he is mafia GB wouldn't do that. He would shut up, not vote scott, and come back after the lynch" Then I wrote "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID" Got it ?
Yes, you're implying I shut up, not voted scott, and came back after the lynch. Which, as I explained, is just false. Then in your response you say: "Oh I wasn't referring to you I'm talking about how this makes GB scummy".
When literally right before you were saying GB couldn't be scum.
I never said this makes GB scummy. I also said you might want to reread what I wrote. So you might want to reread what I wrote Because I said the opposite
hm...didn't see the "wouldn't". Either way, I already explained that I go home at around this time ALWAYS. You can look at previous games to verify this.
It's not super important, my point is that your push on GB was stupid I will check it regardless, rayn just listed a mafia game of yours
"It's not super important?" So you scum read me for it, then brush it aside once I explain it away? ok.
On October 02 2015 05:26 Rels wrote: [quote] I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott
Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early?
WTF you might want to reread what I wrote
Then what did you mean by "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID"
I wrote "if he is mafia GB wouldn't do that. He would shut up, not vote scott, and come back after the lynch" Then I wrote "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID" Got it ?
Yes, you're implying I shut up, not voted scott, and came back after the lynch. Which, as I explained, is just false. Then in your response you say: "Oh I wasn't referring to you I'm talking about how this makes GB scummy".
When literally right before you were saying GB couldn't be scum.
I never said this makes GB scummy. I also said you might want to reread what I wrote. So you might want to reread what I wrote Because I said the opposite
hm...didn't see the "wouldn't". Either way, I already explained that I go home at around this time ALWAYS. You can look at previous games to verify this.
It's not super important, my point is that your push on GB was stupid I will check it regardless, rayn just listed a mafia game of yours
"It's not super important?" So you scum read me for it, then brush it aside once I explain it away? ok.
yes it is not super important I explained what GB would have done if he was mafia: shut up and wait for deadline Then I realized you did exactly that, so I was excited But it doesn't mean anything since you could just be busy
yo I'm here to talk all day! So come talk to me (= I have a lot of work so no filter dive or vote recap before tonight. I definitely want to filter dive coolTLname to confirm he's scum, and I'll try to do everyone
coolTLname is definitely lying about something. rsoultin, LS (and others ?) have confirmed he's not a smurf; but two comments he's made reeks of smurf the first one was the "I don't care about Rels' and GB's accusation", implying he knew people like marv, rayn, rsoultin were more experienced players the second was the one I quoted yesterday, something like "GB you are knows for not reading the thread" so if he is not a smurf, he's someone that watched games without posting. So his dumb questions at the beginning are dumbtells
anyway I will check here from time to time if anyone wants to talk about stuff I didn't have time to properly catch up, so I don't know what happened in the last 12 hours. Will do that tonight before filter diving and looking at the votes yesterday
well since no one is here here is a question for the next guy passing by: what do you think of Moosy's idea that mafia wouldn't switch to scott if enough people were already voting him ? So they could say "haha you killed a blue and I didn't"; or even don't say anything, but the fact they didn't vote for a blue would remain in people's mind I agree with this idea, even if I disagree it applies to GB as GB was actively going against people, which is a town indicative thing
wow sicklucker what you are saying is bullshit scott was a main candidate for lynch the whole day. The one reason he wasn't a lynch candidate anymore was his claim Damdred counter claiming nullified the town credit from scott's claim => he was a main candidate again I also think it's bullshit you can say "mafia definitely vote for scott", because as soon as scott had enough vote to be lynched, mafia would shut up and let scott's lynch happen, while not taking part of it
On October 02 2015 22:29 Rels wrote: wow sicklucker what you are saying is bullshit scott was a main candidate for lynch the whole day. The one reason he wasn't a lynch candidate anymore was his claim Damdred counter claiming nullified the town credit from scott's claim => he was a main candidate again I also think it's bullshit you can say "mafia definitely vote for scott", because as soon as scott had enough vote to be lynched, mafia would shut up and let scott's lynch happen, while not taking part of it
did you vote for scott and when?
I voted for scott after Damdred' counter claim. JRoc was a lynch candidate since the lie about you busing though
On October 02 2015 22:29 Rels wrote: wow sicklucker what you are saying is bullshit scott was a main candidate for lynch the whole day. The one reason he wasn't a lynch candidate anymore was his claim Damdred counter claiming nullified the town credit from scott's claim => he was a main candidate again I also think it's bullshit you can say "mafia definitely vote for scott", because as soon as scott had enough vote to be lynched, mafia would shut up and let scott's lynch happen, while not taking part of it
did you vote for scott and when?
I voted for scott after Damdred' counter claim. JRoc was a lynch candidate since the lie about you busing though
What made you think scott is scum enough to vote for over your original lynch target (before claims -> after claims)?
reread EOD marv bought the fact the coolTLname was probably town I agreed, since everybody was OK lynching him and a bus D1 is super unlikely then Damdred CC and everybody switched to scott I was sure scott was mafia then
On October 02 2015 22:35 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, let's get this right
Does anyone has reasons to believe cool TL is town?
We've already said enough why he is scum. If nobody thinks he is town, we don't have any more reasons to discuss him. Just let the lynch happen and discuss other people.
everybody is OK lynching him that was the reason he was not lynched D1, and it's still true. It's either a mislynch or a bus but his play is so bad it might be a bus
On October 02 2015 22:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: sicklucker do you remember from where any of those people swapped to scott? i know rsoulting did GB -> scott shining??? rels???
I was voting coolTLname and I'm pretty sure Shining was too
On October 02 2015 22:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: unless you ofc want to explain, right now Rels, your explanation doesn't make much sense.
What doesn't make sense ? JRoc was one of my lynch candidate scott was a little better, but super inactive I voted for my scumread coolTLname at EOD marv brings up the fact that since everybody is voting coolTLname, it's probably a mislynch I agree Damdred counterclaim I vote scott ???
On October 02 2015 22:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: We still have to shoot coolTL or we're shooting ourselves in the foot lol. Like he is either bad town or Mafia which places in a policy lynch either way.
no you shouldn't lynch him if you think he's a bad town
On October 02 2015 22:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: We still have to shoot coolTL or we're shooting ourselves in the foot lol. Like he is either bad town or Mafia which places in a policy lynch either way.
no you shouldn't lynch him if you think he's a bad town
hello? scum will 99.99% keep him around unless they're doing the 0.001% crazy play. like they will keep him around to make us doubt ourselves and screw us over later down the line.
I agree with that I was saying that if you KNOW he is a bad town, you shouldn't lynch him
On October 02 2015 22:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: We still have to shoot coolTL or we're shooting ourselves in the foot lol. Like he is either bad town or Mafia which places in a policy lynch either way.
no you shouldn't lynch him if you think he's a bad town
hello? scum will 99.99% keep him around unless they're doing the 0.001% crazy play. like they will keep him around to make us doubt ourselves and screw us over later down the line.
I agree with that I was saying that if you KNOW he is a bad town, you shouldn't lynch him
what the fuck is this argument. he clearly does not know if cool is mafia or bad town.
On October 02 2015 22:57 Rels wrote: I just don't like this auto lynch situation we have marv is still correct D1, mafia probably wouldn't bus this early
confirmed wrong by default unless you think i am mafia or rsoultin is mafia (and rsoultin would not even be bussing here).
rsoultin could be mafia with coolTLname. Maybe with LS then. That's the only persons I can imagine being with coolTLname the thing is marv's case on rsoultin was flawed. Your point on her is good though (not having much scumreads). She said she would be super active starting when ?
On October 02 2015 23:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I want a clarification because you said "everyone was okay with lynching coolTLname on D1, therefore, if he is mafia, there has to be a bus".
it means what it means ? I think everybody except rsoultin was OK lynching coolTLname. That's why marv made this comment on coolTLname being the "default lynch"
On October 02 2015 23:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I want a clarification because you said "everyone was okay with lynching coolTLname on D1, therefore, if he is mafia, there has to be a bus".
it means what it means ? I think everybody except rsoultin was OK lynching coolTLname. That's why marv made this comment on coolTLname being the "default lynch"
It in fact makes marv's comment invalid and gives an opportunity to mafia, if coolTLname is mafia, to defend him -> go onto another lynch, like scott.
On October 02 2015 23:08 Rels wrote: rayn why did you switch to scott after Damdred's claim ? Why did this CC invalidated scott's claim about being 1 shot tracker ?
I find this out to be a stupid question because i have already explained it.
when you asked me why I believed marv instead of checking for yourself I answered you
On October 02 2015 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i would like nothing more that call my scumbuddy (who will not get lynched by thread sentiment) mafia. Because it buys me town credit and well, we are still not lynching mafia (until later on, which everyone who is scum in this game knows -- that coolname is gonna get lynched at some point assumining he is scum).
Of course but marv comment was BEFORE Damdred's cc
On October 02 2015 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i would like nothing more that call my scumbuddy (who will not get lynched by thread sentiment) mafia. Because it buys me town credit and well, we are still not lynching mafia (until later on, which everyone who is scum in this game knows -- that coolname is gonna get lynched at some point assumining he is scum).
Of course but marv comment was BEFORE Damdred's cc
but I agree with that which is what I debated with Moosy last night mafia shut up and don't move if scott is lynched without their help
On October 02 2015 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i would like nothing more that call my scumbuddy (who will not get lynched by thread sentiment) mafia. Because it buys me town credit and well, we are still not lynching mafia (until later on, which everyone who is scum in this game knows -- that coolname is gonna get lynched at some point assumining he is scum).
Of course but marv comment was BEFORE Damdred's cc
well did you switch your vote before damdred's cc?
starting to get lost ? (= Your addition was to this: "It in fact makes marv's comment invalid and gives an opportunity to mafia, if coolTLname is mafia, to defend him" so you cannot say marv's comment was invalid since it was not the thing that made people lynch scott
anyway I think coolTLname is scum because he's either a smurf or a lurker reader his two comments about GB proves it since he's not a newbie, his two questions at the beginning are dumbtells
the doubts I have is because we're starting to be in the same situation as yesterday: almost everybody is OK lynching him, so it is mislynch or a bus. I think only rsoultin (and maybe Trfel ?) are not OK lynching him.
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
Where did I claim that ? I sheep all the time, I just fact check when I'm not sure
I don't know what to answer, your timeline is exactly right. About the intensity, marv's post did not put coolTLname at 30, but more like 60, hence why I didn't switch even though I had doubts, and would have probably ended up still on him at deadline
On October 02 2015 23:21 Rels wrote: since he's not a newbie, his two questions at the beginning are dumbtells
it is 99% proven he is newbie to TL mafia. i don't know why you want to claim otherwise.
because he said something like "GB you are known for not reading the thread" yesterday
who the fuck cares. he has played a game before. do you think he smurfed back then in a newbie game then now came back and smurfed again?
no no no I think he's a lurker reader
actually you made me see the first comment, and I was the one being like "well he has joined another newbie game" now that he had made a second comment of the same type, it cannot be a coincidence he knew GB and I are not the best players in the game he knew GB usually doesn't read properly the thread. Even I didn't know that, but he said it
On October 02 2015 23:21 Rels wrote: anyway I think coolTLname is scum because he's either a smurf or a lurker reader his two comments about GB proves it since he's not a newbie, his two questions at the beginning are dumbtells
the doubts I have is because we're starting to be in the same situation as yesterday: almost everybody is OK lynching him, so it is mislynch or a bus. I think only rsoultin (and maybe Trfel ?) are not OK lynching him.
On October 01 2015 18:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: ... furthermore if he read the voting thread, he is jsut blantantly lying. There was NEVER ever time when coolname/scott/rsoultin were "main lynch targets".
this is just a lie, rayn isn't reading thread, im sure u all remember when rsoultin and trfel had 4 votes a piece.
On October 01 2015 18:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i know LS is not the most logical guy, but he gets his stuff somewhere, everyone does. What he says doesn't make any sense. The conclusion definitely did not come from reading the voting thread, that is 100% obvious. If he had skimmed the thread he would know that (1) GB is actually one of the main lynch targets, (2) rsoultin is not, (3) coolTLname is being voted BECAUSE scott claimed. Somehow he conveniently misses those KEY things that lead to the situation we were at the time. I can't see this being possible unless you are like the most unfortunate person on the planet when you skim through the thread.
i was not voted because scott claimed, he claimed at the last minute after i had already a lot of votes - 7.
GB never had more votes than rsoultin, by the way.
On October 01 2015 19:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: mmm like here is why this coolnamedude is scum;
1) says he wants to be lynched over scott -> tries to vote for scott 2) says i am mafia for things that do not make me mafia, calls me a liar -> either just straight out lying or didn't read the thread.. but -> says people who do not read the thread are mafia.. 3) calls me/you mafia because we are "cluttering the thread for posting so much" -> says rsoultin is town because she has the biggest filter in the game (yes that is literally his only reason he has managed to ACTUALLY provide).
My votes did not even count because i posted them too late, and i've posted much more reasons for why rsoultin is town, the biggest being that she did not vote up Trfel when the votes were tied, stating him as town and just accepting her own lynch.
On October 01 2015 12:47 coolTLname wrote:
On October 01 2015 12:42 Trfel wrote: I could also probably lynch coolTLname for voting at End of Day and then not posting until 39 minutes later. And then saying that he wanted to get lynched after voting for survival.
Like i said earlier, i was busy. To be elaborate i had a therapy session with my dad during the last hour of the game.
I actually checked during the session and it seemed clear i would be lynched , until scott revealed at the last minute.
I didn't really know what the votes or anything that was going on , but scott seemed suspicious enough to me so i tried to mobile vote him.
Unfortunately i was lagging and i cant text for shit, which made my votes not even count, because i missed the deadline, btw.
I've caught rayn not really knowing what happening in the thread multiple times now.
Not reading the thread doesn't make him mafia
Glowing bear u should know better of all people, why would u even say this ? It is quite ridiculous, we all know mafia does not read the thread. Why would a townie not read the thread?
OK rayn you were right he is a fucking smurf. We lynch him
That's what I want to check when I filter dive him though But I distincly remember his second post to be super useless questions That could be explained by newbieness, but if he is, how does he know GB is not a thread reader, and that GB and I are not the more experiences players ? Tonight I will confirm that
BTW I didn't really agree with your whole post about since you were not killed, so you were right I think marv was an obvious kill because everybody townread him, that's it It doesn't say anything about you being right I think. Or wrong for that matter Unless you're scum p:
On October 02 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: So here it is. Please read the whole thing because it's actually relevant to this game in other ways aswell. First i give you some examples;
A while ago i tried to convince a town to lynch someone because they said "this guy is scum because he is pocketing rayn, but i don't think rayn is necessarily town". You might remember the game... I don't actually think anyone in the game really got my reasoning for why it was obvious the guy was mafia, while it was like "i have this pie here. i am eating it with my spoon. If i have taken away the spoon from the table, it's impossible that guy ate the pie with a spoon. If he claims so afterwards, he is a liar." Really obvious? Mmmm.. apparently it wasn't.
Some year(s) ago i made a case on a guy who did the following; First they called someone out on p20. Then afk. Then i asked for their case. They said: "Here is my case [reasoning from page 30-40]". It is obvious that the dude is mafia because it's literally impossible he has thought someone is scum on p20 if his case doesn't have a simple scummy thing on that guy before p20. Seems like a simple thing? Mmm.. guess what, i had to argue for about 20 pages why it is obvious, hell MAFIA ARGUED FOR ME (yes, his scumbuddies) why it is obvious that guy is mafia. I had to draw a fucking mspaint picture to clarify why it is impossible the dude is NOT lying because apparently my words are somehow unclear...
Now let's go to this game, i have a couple of examples. The first one, maybe easier to understand is this: rayn: TLname the votes piled up on you because scott claimed TLname: no, i had 7 votes before scott claimed rayn: [here is proof why you are lying] rayn: explain TLname: ...... ..... TLname: i had 7 votes before scott / damdred / cc rayn: it does not work like that, explain why you are lying rsoultin:
On October 02 2015 07:41 rsoultin wrote: -sighs-
he did have 7 votes on him before damdred cc'd scott, rayn
between the time scott claim and damdred cc'd he had 7 votes on him. i remember because i wasn't sure enough would switch
the thing here is that [u]was not the original argument. I consider rsoultin one of the smartest people in this game. If one of the smartest people fails to realize / doesn't even care what i write / (or twists things around which i believe is the case here -- and noone even calls her out for it) in the first place, how am i supposed to think other people do?
Another one: J Roc: rayn bussed sicklucker here rayn: i don't unnecessary bus and everyone knows it, this would be an unnecessary bus, so you are just straight out lying Trfel: but rayn you bus Damdred: yeah you bussed there in the game Trfel pointed out. rayn: what the fuck is this bullshit Damdred, you were in the game?!?!? rsoultin: Damdred is factually correct.
In fact Damdred is NOT factually correct here. Even if he believes i unnecessary bussed there, that is not the point. The point is the I DON'T BELIEVE IT and i have clearly expressed it in many occasions. The question becomes to; "rayn himself thinks he doesn't unnecessary bus. would this interaction with sl here be an unnecessary bus in his opinion? If yes, then J Roc's "case" is invalid. If no, then rayn could be mafia for what J Roc says".
And that was the point of the argument, not if anyone else than me does/doesn't think if i unnecessary bussed in some other game. I can understand someone having a different view from the XXX game, but saying "Damdred's argument is factually correct" is just bullshit, because it doesn't have anything to with the original argument.
It brings me to this:
If i get shot here the following will happen. My reads are proven to be legit, as in a sense that i actually believe in what i am saying (as in i am confirmed not mafia). When this happens, me, and everyone knows marv WILL actually go read what i wrote about people and will evaluate if he thinks i was right or not. He definitely did not do that during N1, so actually NOONE knows where he stood by the end of the night phase. Marv is way more persuasive than i am. It is a fact, just because apparently my writing skills are the poorest on this site and often times i have to yell my lynches through -- which makes people ignore me. Marv also understands me. Therefore, if marv dies - regardless of if i am right or not - mafia has a person (rayn) alive, who is way more easier to ignore/discredit/what the fuck ever people are always doing than marv is. 100%.
And that is the reason why marv dying does not make me "wrong" like you suggest here GB. If i am 100% right on my reads and they are good, marv will read them in case i die, and it is 100% more likely he actually believes me than any other person in the game and actually gets those people lynched.
You remember a game where obi was Mafia and he got to LYLO after we lynched FirmTofu and clarity? In that game you've caught rsoultin in a failure of thought process similar here. She was town.
I understand everything you're saying here. I'm just asking you to take a step back and listen to rsoultin. You won't lose time by trying to see her coming from a town perspective. I understand what you get from the night kill but you know that Mafia could simply say "ok people are on the right track, kill Marv and keep Rayn alive". It is possible.
For instance, the shining could be Mafia. Marv was the only one looking into him. Maybe he is. And maybe Moosy is Mafia. You also agree he has been shady.
And if all of this is correct, neither rsoultin and LS are Mafia. And you were on the wrong track.
I'm just simply asking you to reconsider things. We are already lynching cool TL today. We don't have to start a holy crusade yet
[/i] that is interesting OK added to my TODO list tonight: list marv's reads. Or fact check if somebody arleady did it
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
you're lying I never said you not being here at EOD was scum indicative. I said GB being here at EOD and not switching was town indicative because he would have shut up at EOD; then remarked it was ironic since you did exactly that. I'm attacking you on two things: - your GB's EOD analysis is bullshit - you lied about being the first to vote and push coolTLname Now the problem I have with you as scum is that you would be busing coolTLname D1, which I don't think is likely. Hence why I'm not sure about you.
really Moosy I don't know your alignement But I want you to get rid of this "Rels is attacking me for not being here at EOD" So either accept it, or reread the part of the thread where it happened If you attack me again with that I will get you lynched
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
On October 03 2015 00:56 Rels wrote: really Moosy I don't know your alignement But I want you to get rid of this "Rels is attacking me for not being here at EOD" So either accept it, or reread the part of the thread where it happened If you attack me again with that I will get you lynched
Also Rels bb, there's absolutely no need to be so anti-town with language like this.
Either way, do you think your threats will sway me when I've stared into the bottomless abyss that is rayn's tunnel?
you're annoying me because I have the proof you lied about something, but you're probably town if coolTLname is scum I'm annoyed by town attacking me with bullshit Don't attack me with false arguments and everything will be OK
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
What were you talking about then ?
lol point A speaks for itself. you can literally go back and check.
Can you answer my request I think point A is pointing at me saying ACTUALLY MOOSY DID EXACTLY THAT Yes or no ? If no, what is it pointing at ? AFK for like one hour so I hope you'll have answered then
On October 03 2015 00:56 Rels wrote: really Moosy I don't know your alignement But I want you to get rid of this "Rels is attacking me for not being here at EOD" So either accept it, or reread the part of the thread where it happened If you attack me again with that I will get you lynched
Also Rels bb, there's absolutely no need to be so anti-town with language like this.
Either way, do you think your threats will sway me when I've stared into the bottomless abyss that is rayn's tunnel?
you're annoying me because I have the proof you lied about something, but you're probably town if coolTLname is scum I'm annoyed by town attacking me with bullshit Don't attack me with false arguments and everything will be OK
My alignment is in no way confirmed town by your own "proof" btw. Also, have you read my explanation for your "proof" or have you not read that either?
you tried to gain the credit of voting first and pushing first coolTLname you sheep Shining's analysis and associated yourself with him these things are scum indicative, of course you are going to explain them after. Do not change the fact you did them
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
What were you talking about then ?
lol point A speaks for itself. you can literally go back and check.
Can you answer my request I think point A is pointing at me saying ACTUALLY MOOSY DID EXACTLY THAT Yes or no ? If no, what is it pointing at ? AFK for like one hour so I hope you'll have answered then
On September 29 2015 16:47 coolTLname wrote: So i noticed mafia can hold their KP, this makes claiming Roleblock and framing someone possible, as well as fake vet claims. Anyway i propose anyone who claims a blue role to be lynched automatically, if there is no kill , better to leave it in the dark?
Can medics heal themselves?
OK this question has to come from a newbie. The medic one.
But coolTLname has slipped two times he knew the people playing:
On September 30 2015 05:57 coolTLname wrote: being accused by you and GB is hardly being under suspicion
Implying there are more experienced players in the game than GB and I. And that is the case: marv, rayn, rsoultin ...
On October 01 2015 18:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: ... furthermore if he read the voting thread, he is jsut blantantly lying. There was NEVER ever time when coolname/scott/rsoultin were "main lynch targets".
this is just a lie, rayn isn't reading thread, im sure u all remember when rsoultin and trfel had 4 votes a piece.
On October 01 2015 18:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i know LS is not the most logical guy, but he gets his stuff somewhere, everyone does. What he says doesn't make any sense. The conclusion definitely did not come from reading the voting thread, that is 100% obvious. If he had skimmed the thread he would know that (1) GB is actually one of the main lynch targets, (2) rsoultin is not, (3) coolTLname is being voted BECAUSE scott claimed. Somehow he conveniently misses those KEY things that lead to the situation we were at the time. I can't see this being possible unless you are like the most unfortunate person on the planet when you skim through the thread.
i was not voted because scott claimed, he claimed at the last minute after i had already a lot of votes - 7.
GB never had more votes than rsoultin, by the way.
On October 01 2015 19:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: mmm like here is why this coolnamedude is scum;
1) says he wants to be lynched over scott -> tries to vote for scott 2) says i am mafia for things that do not make me mafia, calls me a liar -> either just straight out lying or didn't read the thread.. but -> says people who do not read the thread are mafia.. 3) calls me/you mafia because we are "cluttering the thread for posting so much" -> says rsoultin is town because she has the biggest filter in the game (yes that is literally his only reason he has managed to ACTUALLY provide).
My votes did not even count because i posted them too late, and i've posted much more reasons for why rsoultin is town, the biggest being that she did not vote up Trfel when the votes were tied, stating him as town and just accepting her own lynch.
On October 01 2015 12:47 coolTLname wrote:
On October 01 2015 12:42 Trfel wrote: I could also probably lynch coolTLname for voting at End of Day and then not posting until 39 minutes later. And then saying that he wanted to get lynched after voting for survival.
Like i said earlier, i was busy. To be elaborate i had a therapy session with my dad during the last hour of the game.
I actually checked during the session and it seemed clear i would be lynched , until scott revealed at the last minute.
I didn't really know what the votes or anything that was going on , but scott seemed suspicious enough to me so i tried to mobile vote him.
Unfortunately i was lagging and i cant text for shit, which made my votes not even count, because i missed the deadline, btw.
I've caught rayn not really knowing what happening in the thread multiple times now.
Not reading the thread doesn't make him mafia
Glowing bear u should know better of all people, why would u even say this ? It is quite ridiculous, we all know mafia does not read the thread. Why would a townie not read the thread?
Implying he knows GB is known for not reading the thread, something even I, who is not a newbie anymore, was not aware of.
So he knows who some of the players are. And he isn't a smurf, as confirmed by rsoultin and LS. So that means he is a lurker reader: someone who has read some games here, but doesn't post or play. That would explain how he knows things about GB, me, and the players more experiences than the both of us.
So if he is a lurker reader, he should know than medic cannot heal themselves. This question is an attempt at appearing newbie so mistakes can be excused. coolTLname is mafia.
Read marv's filter and here are the reads I got. I was super hard to understand his thoughts as he was super vague about them last night; so if you spot a mistake please correct it.
Not definite reads: Maybe scum: rsoultin, Rels, Trfel, GB, sicklucker.
All of these apart from rsoultin and sicklucker comes from this post:
On October 01 2015 06:32 marvellosity wrote: the fact of the matter is, there are townies hard-defending mafia all over the place here and it makes it very hard to parse a lynch. of any sort.
On October 01 2015 06:32 marvellosity wrote: e.g. trfel/shining/gb/rels
But we don't really know where he stand at night. He kinda rescinded his Trfel's scumread:
On October 01 2015 23:54 marvellosity wrote: post 1 suggests that my entire play could come from mafia
post 2 Trfel backtracks and says it's referring to a tiny portion at the start?
it really makes no sense at all to me
There was a specific part of your play where you said "I never do this as mafia". I'm saying that there is absolutely no reason why you couldn't, it would be easy to do.
As for the rest of your play, you are capable of a high filter length as mafia. I see no reason why you couldn't produce an extremely high filter length in a really spammy game, if you really wanted to. If you're referring to thread involvement, I don't see you being involved to the point where you can't be mafia.
the fact you're characterising my play by filter length is pretty scummy tbh.
I don't think you want to know what I have to say about your play other than filter length.....
You do realize that you are my top townread, right?
i didn't.
i guess i'm going mad.
oh well.
He kinda rescinded his rsoultin's scumread:
On October 01 2015 19:46 marvellosity wrote: gonna be so annoyed if rsoultin is mafia xD
On October 01 2015 14:22 Trfel wrote: I don't know about Rels. Sometimes he seems reasonable, but I feel that he lacks thread presence. Which is strange because he actually has a fairly long filter. And some of his posts I remember thinking were very unreasonable. I need to figure out why I don't feel much thread presence from him, it may just be that he's being covered up by marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, and rsoultin, or there may be a more interesting reason.
i kinda feel this also, but don't really know if i should be making anything of it
So. There is Moosy's theory that mafia would let scott be lynched. And there is sicklucker's theory that mafia would jump on scott to kill a blue. I think there is no way to know right now because: - sicklucker is right; mafia would like scott, that they are pretty sure are blue, to be lynched - but Moosy is also right; once scott is the lynch, there is no need to switch to him anymore. Better shut up, stay on another person, and don't be on the blue train So this vote recap is pretty useless right now; however it will be a great help later in the game, with one or two mafias flips.
On October 03 2015 03:14 sicklucker wrote: marv only mentioned me as scum for a breif moment where he thought i was trying to save scott at eod. So saying marv had anything but a town read on me is disinformation
all the people in the "not definite reads" category have super weak reasonning. I did what I could with what I had. Didn't see him say anything about a townread on you N1
So. There is Moosy's theory that mafia would let scott be lynched. And there is sicklucker's theory that mafia would jump on scott to kill a blue. I think there is no way to know right now because: - sicklucker is right; mafia would like scott, that they are pretty sure are blue, to be lynched - but Moosy is also right; once scott is the lynch, there is no need to switch to him anymore. Better shut up, stay on another person, and don't be on the blue train So this vote recap is pretty useless right now; however it will be a great help later in the game, with one or two mafias flips.
No, we are both right. There is one Mafia probably on coolTL and the other on scott.
EDIT BEFORE POST: I don't think Trfel is mafia. These two posts are super logical, yet he is not pushing for my lynch, just stating what he doesn't like in them.
On October 02 2015 06:21 Trfel wrote: Rels, because you asked, this post is probably the clearest example of a post that doesn't make sense from you. I already showed why most of LightningStrike's posts that you quoted clearly do not support the point that you say they do.
As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background.
I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it.
But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it.
I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD
But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music.
I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking).
Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs.
One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ):
TLDR please? Also guys I'm town this game let's get some scum lynched!
Jesus I already want to kynch you LS :/
OK maybe I thought this post was serious when it wasn't. @GB was your first post serious ?
Also this post, it would make much more sense to ask GlowingBear first, and then draw any conclusions after, if necessary. Assuming that the goal is to find scum, Rels is hoping to catch GlowingBear. So the right way to do it is to figure out what GlowingBear's intent was and then find out if it is scummy or not, and the wrong way to do it is to say "Hey, GlowingBear, were you doing A or B? FYI if you say A, then I think that's scummy." Because then mafia!GlowingBear can just say B and then you get nowhere.
I guess I should probably look at bigger-picture stuff, that would be much more effective. I'll try to do that tonight if I can, otherwise tomorrow.
I don't agree with the first link, otherwise I wouldn't have made this post. LS was the most try hard player at the time. But you showed me why your opinion was different, so your "LS do something about it" makes sense.
About GB, you're wrong, I didn't think I would catch him, 'cause rereading his first post I thought it was a joke. I was super surprised to see him answer it was actually a serious post, 'cause the "good" answer for me to townread him based on my question would be to affirm it was a joke post. But him answering the "bad" answer (and the truth if he is town) made him a little less likely to be mafia. It's a super small thing though.
On September 29 2015 18:36 Rels wrote: seriously though, mafia rayn was super obvious in the game I played with him. He's said he had a bad game 'cause no time, but he was tunneling geript as scum, then sheep geript's read on me when it was convenient for me. Maybe he will fool me one day, but for now I'm pretty sure I can read rayn (=
This just doesn't feel like a town post.....
"Hey, there's this player who everyone says is really good at mafia. I caught him once when he was playing badly, but I'm not going to be scared of him at all until he fools me. He must be a really easy read, even though everyone says otherwise."
Rels strikes me as a more practical player than someone who I would expect to make this post.
Maybe I'm just attributing a different playstyle/thought process to Rels than what he actually uses as town, though....
I guess I'll restart later and be more open-minded.
I wasn't aware everyone saying he is really good at mafia. I played one game with him, and within the ~10 posts he did there was a inconstancy, created by him following the mafia plan instead of his earlier reads. This is supported by the fact that he hates bussing and doesn't do it unless necessary: THIS is what I know everyone saying about mafia rayn. With this mindset of following mafia plan and not busing, he has to be inconsistent sooner or later, which he never is as town.
On October 03 2015 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: In that game i actually switched my read on geript for a reason. I just never had time to explain it and i didn't even care about the game at all. I am not that bad as mafia Rels, i don't "contradict myself" like that without any reason.
But that's not relevant.
Oh. Then the only reliable way to read you is to see if you're leading push on mafia, since you hate busing. (that doesn't interest anyone else but I would really like to know the "reason" for your switch)
On October 03 2015 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Not really, marv can easily catch me on D1 because i make "less sense" then i am supposed to. I don't know how he does it but he does. If i knew, he obviously could not be able to do it. And when i am scum i literally just don't care. At all.
I can attest to that. Yes in the personality game you replaced in and had internet problems, so that can explain your low post count; but after you entered the thread, you made an handful of posts and gtfo.
On October 03 2015 04:16 Rels wrote: (that doesn't interest anyone else but I would really like to know the "reason" for your switch)
And that doesn't really matter anything because i was obviously "right" since geript was not mafia. You will not learn anything about it and i can't make myself find it because i don't remember anything about that game, except for when i read the game before i replaced in my scumreads were genuinely you and geript. So even that part was not a lie..
maybe it made sense in your head, but it was scummy as fuck. I mean, you were lynched over the fucking jester p:
On September 29 2015 17:08 coolTLname wrote: Uh anyway i've been looking at sicklurker. For some reason i thought he was blue but hes been spewing tons of nonsense, he claims hes "drinking" and he seems sad i guess, but even more reason to post something meaningful .. @_@
marvelous would be mafia if hes good in other games, i guess i should check.
role hunting 101
I think mafia is more likely to notice this , and it appears my dumbtell worked (although maybe a little too well =( ) Anyways i was hoping to get shot by pretending to be medic lol
That's your explanation for asking a dumb question you should know the answer ? I don't believe it, especially since you repeated it several times. How is mafia more likely to spot blue hunting ? And it's weird you're not denying that what you were doing
On October 03 2015 13:02 rsoultin wrote: scummy rels - while i like that he seemed to evaluate me just fine and with a particular neutrality, i have a very big problem with his reason for scumreading cool, not to mention his pissing off and placing his vote on a random player not being voted and not returning until much later. his original reasons weren't bad, but now he's focused on this horrible he's not really a newbie thing, he's actually a smurf cause of what he said about gb not reading the thread? cool never said that. moreover the "knowing" gb thing is bad as well, given cool's explanation was fine. rels could not believe it, but someone as intelligent as he is i would think would be pushing cool for much more relevant reasons (and they do exist)
I don't understand this. My original reasons still exist, even if among those the only strong one is the different subjects in one post. But I've found something inconsistent ; him asking a dumb question about medic when he should know better. In other words, dumb telling. Now he explained this by saying he tried to subtly claim medic to attract a shot. Do you really believe it ?
Don't agree on coolTLname, and I'm suspicious of moosy and shining CoolTLname has made a dumb tell that he knows proclaims to be intentional. If he was town he would have seen that it is obvious its weird. Only a mafia could think maybe this could be believable Moosy tried to steal credit for being the first to vote and to push me. I might have spotted another contradiction but he s not answering my question, so I'm waiting for that to go further Shining because it was the only really different read between rayn and Marv, if you don't count the "not definite reads" Marv had at night. So nk may indicate he s mafi. Plus I agree with whoever he s not doing much apart from talking about coolTLname. I didn't read his filter though so I need to do that Still in my bed though so ask if you need more details; I'll do it when I get up and get to my pc :p I m super interested by your reads on moosy and shining
On October 03 2015 15:50 Trfel wrote: Several of coolTLname's posts seem to show a town thought process, even if they don't arrive at the same conclusions that I would.
On October 02 2015 12:18 coolTLname wrote: because mafia would be thinking.. Hey is this guy actually the medic?? so they would notice that post
These posts, for example.
I don't agree About the first quote: the rb shit is a townie thought. The role hunting thought is not. Why would someone accusing of role hunting be mafia ? I don't follow the town reasoning here About the second quote: I really don't believe anyone as town could think a bait like that could work. It is so obvious. Plus I think he s a lurker reader, and that would makes this even worse; but people don't seem to believe. Even with the assumption he s newbie, this medic bait is just so obvious I don't believe he would do it as town wanting to take a bullet. I think it is more likely he is a mafia trying to be a townie trying to take a bullet; because in this double mindset situation, the fact that this medic claim is so obvious is not a visible.
On October 03 2015 15:48 Rels wrote: Don't agree on coolTLname, and I'm suspicious of moosy and shining CoolTLname has made a dumb tell that he knows proclaims to be intentional. If he was town he would have seen that it is obvious its weird. Only a mafia could think maybe this could be believable Moosy tried to steal credit for being the first to vote and to push me. I might have spotted another contradiction but he s not answering my question, so I'm waiting for that to go further Shining because it was the only really different read between rayn and Marv, if you don't count the "not definite reads" Marv had at night. So nk may indicate he s mafi. Plus I agree with whoever he s not doing much apart from talking about coolTLname. I didn't read his filter though so I need to do that Still in my bed though so ask if you need more details; I'll do it when I get up and get to my pc :p I m super interested by your reads on moosy and shining
What was this specific dumb tell that you refer to about coolTLname? I may not have gotten to it yet, but if there's one that's more significant than the others, it would be nice if you could point out which one.
To me, the night kill is best explained as mafia trying to clear out the thread leadership. I didn't feel like marvellosity had many strong reads. But marvellosity is clearly the leader, raynpelikoneet would likely follow him in the end.
One thing is that raynpelikoneet was constantly insisting that rsoultin and coolTLname are town, and marvellosity wasn't. That is another possible reason that marvellosity would be night killed, probably a much more likely one than The Shining being the reason.
I'll let you know when I have more.
I'm talking about the "can medic shoot at night?" Question from his early posts Rayn insisted that rsoultin and coolTLname were town ? He was saying that cool was town at deadline, and I think he reversed this read at night. Will check the exact timing. Rayn never insisted that rsoultin was town I think ?
On October 03 2015 15:48 Rels wrote: Don't agree on coolTLname, and I'm suspicious of moosy and shining CoolTLname has made a dumb tell that he knows proclaims to be intentional. If he was town he would have seen that it is obvious its weird. Only a mafia could think maybe this could be believable Moosy tried to steal credit for being the first to vote and to push me. I might have spotted another contradiction but he s not answering my question, so I'm waiting for that to go further Shining because it was the only really different read between rayn and Marv, if you don't count the "not definite reads" Marv had at night. So nk may indicate he s mafi. Plus I agree with whoever he s not doing much apart from talking about coolTLname. I didn't read his filter though so I need to do that Still in my bed though so ask if you need more details; I'll do it when I get up and get to my pc :p I m super interested by your reads on moosy and shining
What was this specific dumb tell that you refer to about coolTLname? I may not have gotten to it yet, but if there's one that's more significant than the others, it would be nice if you could point out which one.
To me, the night kill is best explained as mafia trying to clear out the thread leadership. I didn't feel like marvellosity had many strong reads. But marvellosity is clearly the leader, raynpelikoneet would likely follow him in the end.
One thing is that raynpelikoneet was constantly insisting that rsoultin and coolTLname are town, and marvellosity wasn't. That is another possible reason that marvellosity would be night killed, probably a much more likely one than The Shining being the reason.
I'll let you know when I have more.
I'm talking about the "can medic shoot at night?" Question from his early posts Rayn insisted that rsoultin and coolTLname were town ? He was saying that cool was town at deadline, and I think he reversed this read at night. Will check the exact timing. Rayn never insisted that rsoultin was town I think ?
Mafia, mafia, mafia...
Town = mafia
Maybe I should go to sleep....
Oh that makes sense :p Yeah rayn had stronger scumread on rsoultin and coolTLname. But I think Marv was scumreading them both too. A little hard to know when he was so vague at night, but OK fuck it. Explaining without quote is shit, wait a minute I'm getting up
lol I agree that it's a bus and it's weird, actually that's why I switched off him last night. But I'm pretty sure he said several times now he wouldn't bother coming back, and if that's the case your argument is flawed wait a minute I will quote some things
In spoiler 'cause it's long: marv's reads, the best I could do. + Show Spoiler +
On October 03 2015 02:54 Rels wrote: Read marv's filter and here are the reads I got. I was super hard to understand his thoughts as he was super vague about them last night; so if you spot a mistake please correct it.
On October 01 2015 06:32 marvellosity wrote: the fact of the matter is, there are townies hard-defending mafia all over the place here and it makes it very hard to parse a lynch. of any sort.
On October 01 2015 23:54 marvellosity wrote: post 1 suggests that my entire play could come from mafia
post 2 Trfel backtracks and says it's referring to a tiny portion at the start?
it really makes no sense at all to me
There was a specific part of your play where you said "I never do this as mafia". I'm saying that there is absolutely no reason why you couldn't, it would be easy to do.
As for the rest of your play, you are capable of a high filter length as mafia. I see no reason why you couldn't produce an extremely high filter length in a really spammy game, if you really wanted to. If you're referring to thread involvement, I don't see you being involved to the point where you can't be mafia.
the fact you're characterising my play by filter length is pretty scummy tbh.
I don't think you want to know what I have to say about your play other than filter length.....
You do realize that you are my top townread, right?
On October 01 2015 14:22 Trfel wrote: I don't know about Rels. Sometimes he seems reasonable, but I feel that he lacks thread presence. Which is strange because he actually has a fairly long filter. And some of his posts I remember thinking were very unreasonable. I need to figure out why I don't feel much thread presence from him, it may just be that he's being covered up by marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, and rsoultin, or there may be a more interesting reason.
i kinda feel this also, but don't really know if i should be making anything of it
On October 03 2015 16:15 Rels wrote: lol I agree that it's a bus and it's weird, actually that's why I switched off him last night. But I'm pretty sure he said several times now he wouldn't bother coming back, and if that's the case your argument is flawed wait a minute I will quote some things
No, my argument isn't flawed, he would have quit much, much, much, much earlier if he were mafia. He wouldn't have stuck through all of those arguments with raynpelikoneet. My argument is strong.
Last game I was mafia with Damdred and fidei. We bus Damdred D2, everybody was voting for him; he still showed up to make us fight for his lynch. That way, town felt we had accomplished something (mostly I, cause I pushed him hard), and I was townread by everybody. So I dont' think this "he's still showing up" argument is valid
On October 03 2015 16:28 Trfel wrote: Hm, we are interpreting marvellosity's filter very differently.
I'd place his rsoultin read at null at worst, for example, probably a slight town lean.
Before the lynch, he said that coolTLname was 95% town. I don't remember him saying much to change that. But either way, it shows that he's willing to look past the inconsistencies in coolTLname's play, and he was also arguing that one of raynpelikoneet's main Day 1 points about why coolTLname is mafia wasn't alignment indicative.
And furthermore, as raynpelikoneet demonstrated, there are so many more reasons that marvellosity would be night killed instead of raynpelikoneet that don't even include reads. Of course, raynpelikoneet assumed that the mafia team is smart but a stupid mafia team would have several of the same reasons and some different reasons.
If you really want to take the night kill and make a read based on it, I feel that reading coolTLname as town would be the most likely, but this is still a very flawed approach. Very, very flawed.
On October 01 2015 19:09 GlowingBear wrote: Marv, why do you think cool TL is town (if you believe it)?
not really sure i believe it anymore
i answered Rels why i said it at the time.
And the fact he was voting him before he thought him being the default lynch made him probably town.
I agree any of this is definitely not a proof of anything. But reading GB's post, it made me realize that marv was the only person in the game scumreading Shining, and that made me think.
On October 03 2015 16:15 Rels wrote: lol I agree that it's a bus and it's weird, actually that's why I switched off him last night. But I'm pretty sure he said several times now he wouldn't bother coming back, and if that's the case your argument is flawed wait a minute I will quote some things
No, my argument isn't flawed, he would have quit much, much, much, much earlier if he were mafia. He wouldn't have stuck through all of those arguments with raynpelikoneet. My argument is strong.
Last game I was mafia with Damdred and fidei. We bus Damdred D2, everybody was voting for him; he still showed up to make us fight for his lynch. That way, town felt we had accomplished something (mostly I, cause I pushed him hard), and I was townread by everybody. So I dont' think this "he's still showing up" argument is valid
That's Damdred.
This is coolTLname, not Damdred. He's almost certainly quite frustrated with this game (do you really think he could go so far as to fake that?), and I don't see him adding to the thread WIFOM at all. He even voted for himself instead of voting for someone else. If he were mafia he would at least make random pushes on people for WIFOM reasons, at least that is what his scumbuddies would tell him to do if he was willing to keep playing despite being bussed.
He's voting for GB. And he tried to ninja vote scott at the last second D1.
On October 03 2015 16:15 Rels wrote: lol I agree that it's a bus and it's weird, actually that's why I switched off him last night. But I'm pretty sure he said several times now he wouldn't bother coming back, and if that's the case your argument is flawed wait a minute I will quote some things
No, my argument isn't flawed, he would have quit much, much, much, much earlier if he were mafia. He wouldn't have stuck through all of those arguments with raynpelikoneet. My argument is strong.
Last game I was mafia with Damdred and fidei. We bus Damdred D2, everybody was voting for him; he still showed up to make us fight for his lynch. That way, town felt we had accomplished something (mostly I, cause I pushed him hard), and I was townread by everybody. So I dont' think this "he's still showing up" argument is valid
That's Damdred.
This is coolTLname, not Damdred. He's almost certainly quite frustrated with this game (do you really think he could go so far as to fake that?), and I don't see him adding to the thread WIFOM at all. He even voted for himself instead of voting for someone else. If he were mafia he would at least make random pushes on people for WIFOM reasons, at least that is what his scumbuddies would tell him to do if he was willing to keep playing despite being bussed.
He's voting for GB. And he tried to ninja vote scott at the last second D1.
And I don't see why a mafia getting caught like that wouldn't be frustrated. This is NAI I don't agree at all the situation right now is town indicative for him. But I have doubts about the D1 vote. I find weird that he was being bussed D1.
On October 03 2015 16:15 Rels wrote: lol I agree that it's a bus and it's weird, actually that's why I switched off him last night. But I'm pretty sure he said several times now he wouldn't bother coming back, and if that's the case your argument is flawed wait a minute I will quote some things
No, my argument isn't flawed, he would have quit much, much, much, much earlier if he were mafia. He wouldn't have stuck through all of those arguments with raynpelikoneet. My argument is strong.
Last game I was mafia with Damdred and fidei. We bus Damdred D2, everybody was voting for him; he still showed up to make us fight for his lynch. That way, town felt we had accomplished something (mostly I, cause I pushed him hard), and I was townread by everybody. So I dont' think this "he's still showing up" argument is valid
That's Damdred.
This is coolTLname, not Damdred. He's almost certainly quite frustrated with this game (do you really think he could go so far as to fake that?), and I don't see him adding to the thread WIFOM at all. He even voted for himself instead of voting for someone else. If he were mafia he would at least make random pushes on people for WIFOM reasons, at least that is what his scumbuddies would tell him to do if he was willing to keep playing despite being bussed.
He's voting for GB. And he tried to ninja vote scott at the last second D1.
Only after attempting to vote for himself and then learning that self-votes are not allowed in this game.....
Can I ask you to just trust me on this one? If I'm completely wrong, well 99% of the time coolTLname gets lynched here anyway. At least having a second push makes things more interesting and means that people might actually play the game.
I could go through and explain why I think that coolTLname is town, and I think I'd probably be able to convince you, but then I don't think I'd be able to read through anyone else's filter. And I'd rather find mafia because that's the point of the game.
sure I'm all in favor of looking for other mafias. I don't like auto lynches, even when there are on mafias; town is always super slow to start scumhunting again I won't vote someone else unless I'm sure he's scum though
On September 30 2015 09:57 The Shining wrote: [...] Idk what to think about SL either but I do know as games go on, it becomes blatantly obvious whether he is scum or not. Moosy and Trfel are question marks for me that I won't give a read on until I'm done filter diving them.
Starting with this post, Shinig started filter diving and questioning Moosy about stuff. His read on Moosy became more and more on the scum side, culminating in these posts EON1 / start of D2:
coolnamedude is mafia. rsoultin is mafia. LighntningStrike is mafia
in that order of confidence.
MoosyDoosy could be mafia if one of them magically happens to flip town.
I literally do not believe there is any chance for anyone else in this game to be mafia.
I believe in cool. I need to revisit the RSo cases but your last summary post of her actions are starting to make me wonder, if its all true. This wouldn't be the first time I hard towned scum RSo =/ but her play that game was different. LS is questionable/bad town at best, scum at worst but I still live in a world where both him and cool can't be scum. =/ LS sheeped onto cool and idk if he's confident enough as scum to bus D1.
And yeah Moosy is/should be on that list, too, if LS or cool were to flip town.
On October 02 2015 05:29 The Shining wrote: [quote]
Hrm this is true. And although I started being suspicious of cool pretty early over the Marv non-read, I was actually the last to vote him. I wasn't even really pushing cool, I was still questioning him before I caught his chainsaw RSo defense.
Sigh I guess I'll respond to this too. It doesn't make a difference. Rels and GB's votes didn't do much to start the wagon. It was only after you and me voted for coolTL that the wagon actually started.
Tonight, I will be banning coolTLname permanently for providing us with atrocious whiskey. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The spirits recall list is here. Only votes on this list will be counted.
Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill.
But I was the last vote on that train...you were 3rd...neither of us started that train...why are you lying/misrepresenting?
Moosy pls
Okay so I made a mistake to not see people were voting for coolTL other than me. I was just super excited that we both drew the exact same conclusion at the exact same time which is why I gave us all the credit. Either way, the coolTL wagon only became a real thing when we voted for coolTL and said he had TMI to make scott move over and make even rayn unvote to have doubts.
Yeaaaaa...I kind of thought the same but with the sequence of events and the other votes on cool, it felt like a pocket attempt while subscribing to my train of thought. Here's why:
On October 01 2015 05:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: ##unvote ##vote coolTLname
This is scum with TMI about rsoul.
This post came 2 minutes after this post of mine:
On October 01 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:16 rsoultin wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:12 The Shining wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:06 coolTLname wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:03 The Shining wrote: [quote]
If I'm understanding this right, marv is pushing your townread super hard for lynch. How is his alignment not relevant?
Why would you say you're going to do something and then not do it? And then do the same thing with rso past games instead? I don't understand this
how is saying he is mafia or town going to change his vote? i have better things to do such as defend rsoultin directly or accuse the glowing bear/ rayn and possibly sicklucker one of whom have 3 votes on.
Well you indirectly said depending on his past games he could be scum. Then you stopped caring about it. That's a lack of scumhunting to me, when you have a suspicion or pinion on someone and do absolutely nothing about it but instead start defending a townread. Looks like you're more concerned with pocketing rso than you are in finding scum.
Let me check yur filter becuz i would like to know why you're voting GB. Or you could save me the trouble and tell me.
this went through my mind
but where i get hung up on it really is what good does it do him if either of us are lynched?
pocketing me means nothing if i'm not here and obviously it means nothing if he's lynched. i guess he could just not have meant it when he said to lynch him instead of me but...blah ><
i still think this isn't gb's town game
all this is going on and he's lurking around telling truffle here's a kit kat
I just dont get why hes chainsaw defending you. If i am to believe he is newb town, i dont see how he could be this sure of a townread. Like i made the mistake as a newb of letting HtS filter size alone fool me in my first game here but even then i wasnt chainsaw defending ANY of my TRs. It looks really weird. And the saying hed look into marv later when it was HIS idea in the first place is rubbing me the wrong way.
Dont get me wrong, you were and still are in my town pile but for different reasons, not just filter length. I remember in the scum game i lost to you and your bro, i forget the game, you were way less standoffish and adamant about your trains of thought. You were more aloof and carefree that game, with a bit of trouble finding scumreads and latching onto easy mislynches. Marv is not an easy lynch, mislynch or not, so i dont think scumRso does that here.
Just enough time to read this post and make your short post after my prompting because I was already on the track to thinking cool had TMI. That was also your first post in 2 hours but you don't mention anything else and just latch onto the coolTLname TMI case.
...
...? because I was busy and literally thought of coolTLname, logged in, voted him, thought of reasoning, quoted it onto rayn's post then left
Wait so you voted him to get on the wagon and THEN thought of reasoning for it? What??
This response to a pocketing accusation is soooo bad. You tried to buddy me twice saying we got the train on cool going then when I ask about it being a pocket, you slip and admit you voted without reasoning.
Am I wrong here? Cuz if not I wanna lynch Moosy, this is bad.
But then he threw all this progression away just there:
On October 02 2015 14:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Trfel which one of us do you believe is right?
Did Trfel ever answer this? All I saw was him saying he thought cool was town and that their talk was getting nowhere. After saying he'd lynch cool because even if he's town because he's not helpful to town. That's a weird progression and considering I think rayn is town and cool is scum, it seems pretty weird to not take a side here or even analyze what the arguments they had against each other were.
Questions about Trfel to rayn.
On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote: Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V?
On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote: Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V?
yeah, his push on ls was horrid and wasn't something he'd ever say as town, essentially
I thought it was him snap voting geript at the start of the game for some bull about a self imposed 10 post limit per phase before weirdly backing off of it.
The reason I'm asking is because although he claims it was a joke, he did go out of his way to put it into the voting thread and was looking for reactions. He's your top suspicion right now so I'm wondering if you see any similarities between that game and this one.
Finally explaining why he is suspecting him.
On October 03 2015 11:43 The Shining wrote: OK thank you. I was just revisiting that because I said I'd filter him a while ago and I'm finally getting around to it.
That second post is a pretty interesting point but I'm not sure it makes him scum if he's the dolt you say he is lol. But the alternating between jokes and srs reads is shifty, I agree, although Rels also called him out for that and he addressed it here so I don't want to look too much into that.
On September 29 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote: btw truffle nope ^^ i only skimmed it cause yawn lol you can keep your shitty vote
Hm, I kind of actually think you are mafia now.....
But I can't decide if I should push or wait.....
@Trfel is this a serious post if it is I find super weird the fact that most posts before and after this one are funny posts
OK after I finish catching up I'll do a Trfel's filter dive to check if my feeling is right. But I definitely have the feeling there is a contradiction in tone progression in Trfel's posts, something like funny => one serious => funny => one serious => funny
If you think that me alternating between being serious or funny is a sign that I am mafia, then I have no more words for you. To be honest, depending on how that's applied, it's probably the easiest way to read me.
Since apparently I wasn't clear:
I started out by voting rsoultin as a joke. Then I started being a bit suspicious of rsoultin, but not enough that I wanted to actually push it (at least until I reread things). Before I was able to reread things, rsoultin made some posts that were contrary to the assumptions I had made for some of my suspicions of her, and then I realized a few flaws in my suspicions. So I wasn't very suspicious of her any more).
Clear enough?
He also has posts where he talks himself in and out of points that he'd scum you for but then calls you scum after. There's also a lot of moments where he blatantly admits he wasn't reading the thread. I'm not sure if I think scumTrfel would put these things into the thread to be picked at if he was scum, unless he's just yoloing this game and trying new things.
Then dropping it I think ? The last sentence indicated he now believes Trfel is town ? It is super unclear.
4. A few excuses to him not playing the game (even if the cops' situation is probably true =X): + Show Spoiler +
On September 30 2015 07:25 The Shining wrote: Hi guys. I'm here, kinda. I have a ridiculous amount to catch up on so I prob won't be actively posting for a few hrs. I was at my college admissions office basically all day and I rarely get online Monday/Tuesday, anyway, so I apologize for not being around.
On October 01 2015 04:12 The Shining wrote: Mobile posting. Just got to work and it's a fucking shitfest. Our computer system and Internet is down so I've got a little under 3 hrs before eod to manually log in a bunch of packages on an ipad and catch up on this game on my phone, because no tablet wifi. I will be here but in limited quantities.
I'm not happy =/
On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote: Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V?
So maybe Shining is scum. But that would mean he bused coolTLname D1, which is weird.
On October 03 2015 17:08 Trfel wrote: Rels, your "lurker reader" scumread of coolTLname as I understand it is flawed.
As for in the current game, town can often be present without posting. I do it sometimes as town, that's sort of what I've been doing for the past 24 hours ish. I can't possibly be the only person to do this as town. Palmar does a similar thing, except he openly admits to searching the entire thread for "Palmar" just to see if he's being discussed, and then posts that he did that. but the general principle of knowing that the thread exists and paying some attention but not really posting is there.
As for coolTLname having read previous games of mafia on TL Mafia, I guarantee you that this is false. First, people just... don't do that. If they did, they would at least sign up for the Obs QT. But they basically just don't. Scott31337 is probably the only player I know of who actually did this, and you can see what his play looks like, it's nothing like coolTLname's play here. Second, every post that you mentioned as indicating that coolTLname has more experience on TL Mafia than he claims has a very reasonable explanation. For example, when he says that being under suspicion by GlowingBear isn't really being under suspicion, note that he's been scumreading GlowingBear the entire game (of course he's not under suspicion of the person being suspicious of him is mafia...), and I believe that somewhere around the time he said this quote there was a small sort of push on GlowingBear. Or at least, suspicions were voiced in the thread.
I initially had the same reaction than you about that. But read these posts and tell me he doesn't mean he knows some of the people playing, especially the second one: + Show Spoiler +
On September 29 2015 16:47 coolTLname wrote: So i noticed mafia can hold their KP, this makes claiming Roleblock and framing someone possible, as well as fake vet claims. Anyway i propose anyone who claims a blue role to be lynched automatically, if there is no kill , better to leave it in the dark?
Can medics heal themselves?
OK this question has to come from a newbie. The medic one.
But coolTLname has slipped two times he knew the people playing:
On October 01 2015 18:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: ... furthermore if he read the voting thread, he is jsut blantantly lying. There was NEVER ever time when coolname/scott/rsoultin were "main lynch targets".
this is just a lie, rayn isn't reading thread, im sure u all remember when rsoultin and trfel had 4 votes a piece.
On October 01 2015 18:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i know LS is not the most logical guy, but he gets his stuff somewhere, everyone does. What he says doesn't make any sense. The conclusion definitely did not come from reading the voting thread, that is 100% obvious. If he had skimmed the thread he would know that (1) GB is actually one of the main lynch targets, (2) rsoultin is not, (3) coolTLname is being voted BECAUSE scott claimed. Somehow he conveniently misses those KEY things that lead to the situation we were at the time. I can't see this being possible unless you are like the most unfortunate person on the planet when you skim through the thread.
i was not voted because scott claimed, he claimed at the last minute after i had already a lot of votes - 7.
GB never had more votes than rsoultin, by the way.
On October 01 2015 19:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: mmm like here is why this coolnamedude is scum;
1) says he wants to be lynched over scott -> tries to vote for scott 2) says i am mafia for things that do not make me mafia, calls me a liar -> either just straight out lying or didn't read the thread.. but -> says people who do not read the thread are mafia.. 3) calls me/you mafia because we are "cluttering the thread for posting so much" -> says rsoultin is town because she has the biggest filter in the game (yes that is literally his only reason he has managed to ACTUALLY provide).
My votes did not even count because i posted them too late, and i've posted much more reasons for why rsoultin is town, the biggest being that she did not vote up Trfel when the votes were tied, stating him as town and just accepting her own lynch.
On October 01 2015 12:47 coolTLname wrote:
On October 01 2015 12:42 Trfel wrote: I could also probably lynch coolTLname for voting at End of Day and then not posting until 39 minutes later. And then saying that he wanted to get lynched after voting for survival.
Like i said earlier, i was busy. To be elaborate i had a therapy session with my dad during the last hour of the game.
I actually checked during the session and it seemed clear i would be lynched , until scott revealed at the last minute.
I didn't really know what the votes or anything that was going on , but scott seemed suspicious enough to me so i tried to mobile vote him.
Unfortunately i was lagging and i cant text for shit, which made my votes not even count, because i missed the deadline, btw.
I've caught rayn not really knowing what happening in the thread multiple times now.
Not reading the thread doesn't make him mafia
Glowing bear u should know better of all people, why would u even say this ? It is quite ridiculous, we all know mafia does not read the thread. Why would a townie not read the thread?
Implying he knows GB is known for not reading the thread, something even I, who is not a newbie anymore, was not aware of.
So he knows who some of the players are. And he isn't a smurf, as confirmed by rsoultin and LS. So that means he is a lurker reader: someone who has read some games here, but doesn't post or play. That would explain how he knows things about GB, me, and the players more experiences than the both of us.
So if he is a lurker reader, he should know than medic cannot heal themselves. This question is an attempt at appearing newbie so mistakes can be excused. coolTLname is mafia.
Of course he'll explain it afterwards. Every scum explains their slips afterwards. Doesn't mean we cannot analyze what they previously said.
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID
Now I realize someone can think I am scumreading Moosy for not being here at EOD with this post. But I am not: I have never said that, and I have explained multiple times this didn't do anything for Moosy's alignement:
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID
lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time.
I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID
lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time.
I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott
Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early?
WTF you might want to reread what I wrote
Then what did you mean by "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID"
I wrote "if he is mafia GB wouldn't do that. He would shut up, not vote scott, and come back after the lynch" Then I wrote "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID" Got it ?
On October 02 2015 05:24 MoosyDoosy wrote: [quote] lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time.
I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott
Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early?
WTF you might want to reread what I wrote
Then what did you mean by "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID"
I wrote "if he is mafia GB wouldn't do that. He would shut up, not vote scott, and come back after the lynch" Then I wrote "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID" Got it ?
Yes, you're implying I shut up, not voted scott, and came back after the lynch. Which, as I explained, is just false. Then in your response you say: "Oh I wasn't referring to you I'm talking about how this makes GB scummy".
When literally right before you were saying GB couldn't be scum.
I never said this makes GB scummy. I also said you might want to reread what I wrote. So you might want to reread what I wrote Because I said the opposite
hm...didn't see the "wouldn't". Either way, I already explained that I go home at around this time ALWAYS. You can look at previous games to verify this.
It's not super important, my point is that your push on GB was stupid I will check it regardless, rayn just listed a mafia game of yours
On October 02 2015 05:28 MoosyDoosy wrote: [quote] Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early?
WTF you might want to reread what I wrote
Then what did you mean by "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID"
I wrote "if he is mafia GB wouldn't do that. He would shut up, not vote scott, and come back after the lynch" Then I wrote "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID" Got it ?
Yes, you're implying I shut up, not voted scott, and came back after the lynch. Which, as I explained, is just false. Then in your response you say: "Oh I wasn't referring to you I'm talking about how this makes GB scummy".
When literally right before you were saying GB couldn't be scum.
I never said this makes GB scummy. I also said you might want to reread what I wrote. So you might want to reread what I wrote Because I said the opposite
hm...didn't see the "wouldn't". Either way, I already explained that I go home at around this time ALWAYS. You can look at previous games to verify this.
It's not super important, my point is that your push on GB was stupid I will check it regardless, rayn just listed a mafia game of yours
"It's not super important?" So you scum read me for it, then brush it aside once I explain it away? ok.
yes it is not super important I explained what GB would have done if he was mafia: shut up and wait for deadline Then I realized you did exactly that, so I was excited But it doesn't mean anything since you could just be busy
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
you're lying I never said you not being here at EOD was scum indicative. I said GB being here at EOD and not switching was town indicative because he would have shut up at EOD; then remarked it was ironic since you did exactly that. I'm attacking you on two things: - your GB's EOD analysis is bullshit - you lied about being the first to vote and push coolTLname Now the problem I have with you as scum is that you would be busing coolTLname D1, which I don't think is likely. Hence why I'm not sure about you.
I am scumreading Moosy for other reasons, but it's unrelated to this.
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
I thought the bolded refered to me thinking him not being here at EOD was scum indicative. - If that's the case, Moosy is clearly mis interpreting my scumread on him - If that's not the case, I have no idea what he is talking about and this could be a lie
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
What were you talking about then ?
lol point A speaks for itself. you can literally go back and check.
Question 1 What do you think Moosy was talking about, if it's not the fact that I thought him not being here at deadline is scum indicative ?
Since then I've asked the questions to Moosy each time I saw him in the thread, and he never answered. + Show Spoiler +
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
What were you talking about then ?
lol point A speaks for itself. you can literally go back and check.
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
What were you talking about then ?
lol point A speaks for itself. you can literally go back and check.
Can you answer my request I think point A is pointing at me saying ACTUALLY MOOSY DID EXACTLY THAT Yes or no ? If no, what is it pointing at ? AFK for like one hour so I hope you'll have answered then
On October 03 2015 02:14 Rels wrote: is one hour not enough to answer this ?
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
What were you talking about then ?
lol point A speaks for itself. you can literally go back and check.
Can you answer my request I think point A is pointing at me saying ACTUALLY MOOSY DID EXACTLY THAT Yes or no ? If no, what is it pointing at ? AFK for like one hour so I hope you'll have answered then
So. There is Moosy's theory that mafia would let scott be lynched. And there is sicklucker's theory that mafia would jump on scott to kill a blue. I think there is no way to know right now because: - sicklucker is right; mafia would like scott, that they are pretty sure are blue, to be lynched - but Moosy is also right; once scott is the lynch, there is no need to switch to him anymore. Better shut up, stay on another person, and don't be on the blue train So this vote recap is pretty useless right now; however it will be a great help later in the game, with one or two mafias flips.
No, we are both right. There is one Mafia probably on coolTL and the other on scott.
So. There is Moosy's theory that mafia would let scott be lynched. And there is sicklucker's theory that mafia would jump on scott to kill a blue. I think there is no way to know right now because: - sicklucker is right; mafia would like scott, that they are pretty sure are blue, to be lynched - but Moosy is also right; once scott is the lynch, there is no need to switch to him anymore. Better shut up, stay on another person, and don't be on the blue train So this vote recap is pretty useless right now; however it will be a great help later in the game, with one or two mafias flips.
No, we are both right. There is one Mafia probably on coolTL and the other on scott.
On October 03 2015 17:58 Trfel wrote: Rels, you seem to be more motivated than I am. Can you do a favor for me?
Can you look up some of The Shining's town and mafia games and find out how he addresses his scumreads? In his entire case on MoosyDoosy in one of his first few posts, he writes as if he's talking to MoosyDoosy alone. But he's not asking questions. Why should town be trying to convince their scumread that they are scum? I don't remember The Shining doing this before.....
On October 03 2015 17:58 Trfel wrote: Rels, you seem to be more motivated than I am. Can you do a favor for me?
Can you look up some of The Shining's town and mafia games and find out how he addresses his scumreads? In his entire case on MoosyDoosy in one of his first few posts, he writes as if he's talking to MoosyDoosy alone. But he's not asking questions. Why should town be trying to convince their scumread that they are scum? I don't remember The Shining doing this before.....
Ok, I did it myself (rushed through it, anyway). At a glance, this meta read seems accurate. I'll check more later, but I'm quite happy about this.
Except now I almost wish I'd saved it for another time....
This is in agreement with the suspicious things I'm noticing in The Shining's filter.
On October 03 2015 18:24 Trfel wrote: Rels, I'm sorry, I honestly have no clue. I don't think it's good to go through all of MoosyDoosy's filter and try to piece together what he was trying to say, that should be his job. Plus if he is mafia and this would catch him, you might find a more reasonable explanation than what he actually did. Why don't we just wait for him to explain what he was saying when he gets back?
As for if it's mafia indicative, I don't feel like he would reach for a scumread when there's no incentive for doing so and it can be clearly shown that he's wrong. Though honestly I had some trouble following your post, I've been reading this game very quickly and not to the level of detail that I would have hoped for. I'll check it again when I finish with this The Shining thing, I'm pretty excited about that honestly.
No the biggest scum indicator is that I did wait for him to answer. That's two times he is in the thread, I ask him to precise, and he doesn't do it.
On October 03 2015 18:24 Trfel wrote: Rels, I'm sorry, I honestly have no clue. I don't think it's good to go through all of MoosyDoosy's filter and try to piece together what he was trying to say, that should be his job. Plus if he is mafia and this would catch him, you might find a more reasonable explanation than what he actually did. Why don't we just wait for him to explain what he was saying when he gets back?
As for if it's mafia indicative, I don't feel like he would reach for a scumread when there's no incentive for doing so and it can be clearly shown that he's wrong. Though honestly I had some trouble following your post, I've been reading this game very quickly and not to the level of detail that I would have hoped for. I'll check it again when I finish with this The Shining thing, I'm pretty excited about that honestly.
No the biggest scum indicator is that I did wait for him to answer. That's two times he is in the thread, I ask him to precise, and he doesn't do it.
I'm sorry, it's 5:30 AM and MoosyDoosy's arrogance makes it very hard for me to read him He's just always so freaking confident beyond logic, and I try to be as realistic as I can, the clash is quite hard for me...
My first thought is that his arrogance could lead him to just ignore you, especially if he was scumreading you at the time which I believe he was?
I'll try to take another look at it tomorrow, especially if you remind me, but I might not even have time to finish looking at The Shining
He's not ignoring me since the last time that he was in the thread, he answered a post of mine.
So. There is Moosy's theory that mafia would let scott be lynched. And there is sicklucker's theory that mafia would jump on scott to kill a blue. I think there is no way to know right now because: - sicklucker is right; mafia would like scott, that they are pretty sure are blue, to be lynched - but Moosy is also right; once scott is the lynch, there is no need to switch to him anymore. Better shut up, stay on another person, and don't be on the blue train So this vote recap is pretty useless right now; however it will be a great help later in the game, with one or two mafias flips.
No, we are both right. There is one Mafia probably on coolTL and the other on scott.
On September 30 2015 09:57 The Shining wrote: [...] Idk what to think about SL either but I do know as games go on, it becomes blatantly obvious whether he is scum or not. Moosy and Trfel are question marks for me that I won't give a read on until I'm done filter diving them.
Starting with this post, Shinig started filter diving and questioning Moosy about stuff. His read on Moosy became more and more on the scum side, culminating in these posts EON1 / start of D2:
coolnamedude is mafia. rsoultin is mafia. LighntningStrike is mafia
in that order of confidence.
MoosyDoosy could be mafia if one of them magically happens to flip town.
I literally do not believe there is any chance for anyone else in this game to be mafia.
I believe in cool. I need to revisit the RSo cases but your last summary post of her actions are starting to make me wonder, if its all true. This wouldn't be the first time I hard towned scum RSo =/ but her play that game was different. LS is questionable/bad town at best, scum at worst but I still live in a world where both him and cool can't be scum. =/ LS sheeped onto cool and idk if he's confident enough as scum to bus D1.
And yeah Moosy is/should be on that list, too, if LS or cool were to flip town.
On October 02 2015 05:29 The Shining wrote: [quote]
Hrm this is true. And although I started being suspicious of cool pretty early over the Marv non-read, I was actually the last to vote him. I wasn't even really pushing cool, I was still questioning him before I caught his chainsaw RSo defense.
Sigh I guess I'll respond to this too. It doesn't make a difference. Rels and GB's votes didn't do much to start the wagon. It was only after you and me voted for coolTL that the wagon actually started.
Tonight, I will be banning coolTLname permanently for providing us with atrocious whiskey. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The spirits recall list is here. Only votes on this list will be counted.
Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill.
But I was the last vote on that train...you were 3rd...neither of us started that train...why are you lying/misrepresenting?
Moosy pls
Okay so I made a mistake to not see people were voting for coolTL other than me. I was just super excited that we both drew the exact same conclusion at the exact same time which is why I gave us all the credit. Either way, the coolTL wagon only became a real thing when we voted for coolTL and said he had TMI to make scott move over and make even rayn unvote to have doubts.
Yeaaaaa...I kind of thought the same but with the sequence of events and the other votes on cool, it felt like a pocket attempt while subscribing to my train of thought. Here's why:
On October 01 2015 05:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: ##unvote ##vote coolTLname
This is scum with TMI about rsoul.
This post came 2 minutes after this post of mine:
On October 01 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:16 rsoultin wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:12 The Shining wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:06 coolTLname wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:03 The Shining wrote: [quote]
If I'm understanding this right, marv is pushing your townread super hard for lynch. How is his alignment not relevant?
Why would you say you're going to do something and then not do it? And then do the same thing with rso past games instead? I don't understand this
how is saying he is mafia or town going to change his vote? i have better things to do such as defend rsoultin directly or accuse the glowing bear/ rayn and possibly sicklucker one of whom have 3 votes on.
Well you indirectly said depending on his past games he could be scum. Then you stopped caring about it. That's a lack of scumhunting to me, when you have a suspicion or pinion on someone and do absolutely nothing about it but instead start defending a townread. Looks like you're more concerned with pocketing rso than you are in finding scum.
Let me check yur filter becuz i would like to know why you're voting GB. Or you could save me the trouble and tell me.
this went through my mind
but where i get hung up on it really is what good does it do him if either of us are lynched?
pocketing me means nothing if i'm not here and obviously it means nothing if he's lynched. i guess he could just not have meant it when he said to lynch him instead of me but...blah ><
i still think this isn't gb's town game
all this is going on and he's lurking around telling truffle here's a kit kat
I just dont get why hes chainsaw defending you. If i am to believe he is newb town, i dont see how he could be this sure of a townread. Like i made the mistake as a newb of letting HtS filter size alone fool me in my first game here but even then i wasnt chainsaw defending ANY of my TRs. It looks really weird. And the saying hed look into marv later when it was HIS idea in the first place is rubbing me the wrong way.
Dont get me wrong, you were and still are in my town pile but for different reasons, not just filter length. I remember in the scum game i lost to you and your bro, i forget the game, you were way less standoffish and adamant about your trains of thought. You were more aloof and carefree that game, with a bit of trouble finding scumreads and latching onto easy mislynches. Marv is not an easy lynch, mislynch or not, so i dont think scumRso does that here.
Just enough time to read this post and make your short post after my prompting because I was already on the track to thinking cool had TMI. That was also your first post in 2 hours but you don't mention anything else and just latch onto the coolTLname TMI case.
...
...? because I was busy and literally thought of coolTLname, logged in, voted him, thought of reasoning, quoted it onto rayn's post then left
Wait so you voted him to get on the wagon and THEN thought of reasoning for it? What??
This response to a pocketing accusation is soooo bad. You tried to buddy me twice saying we got the train on cool going then when I ask about it being a pocket, you slip and admit you voted without reasoning.
Am I wrong here? Cuz if not I wanna lynch Moosy, this is bad.
But then he threw all this progression away just there:
On October 02 2015 14:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Trfel which one of us do you believe is right?
Did Trfel ever answer this? All I saw was him saying he thought cool was town and that their talk was getting nowhere. After saying he'd lynch cool because even if he's town because he's not helpful to town. That's a weird progression and considering I think rayn is town and cool is scum, it seems pretty weird to not take a side here or even analyze what the arguments they had against each other were.
Questions about Trfel to rayn.
On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote: Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V?
On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote: Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V?
yeah, his push on ls was horrid and wasn't something he'd ever say as town, essentially
I thought it was him snap voting geript at the start of the game for some bull about a self imposed 10 post limit per phase before weirdly backing off of it.
The reason I'm asking is because although he claims it was a joke, he did go out of his way to put it into the voting thread and was looking for reactions. He's your top suspicion right now so I'm wondering if you see any similarities between that game and this one.
Finally explaining why he is suspecting him.
On October 03 2015 11:43 The Shining wrote: OK thank you. I was just revisiting that because I said I'd filter him a while ago and I'm finally getting around to it.
That second post is a pretty interesting point but I'm not sure it makes him scum if he's the dolt you say he is lol. But the alternating between jokes and srs reads is shifty, I agree, although Rels also called him out for that and he addressed it here so I don't want to look too much into that.
On September 29 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote: btw truffle nope ^^ i only skimmed it cause yawn lol you can keep your shitty vote
Hm, I kind of actually think you are mafia now.....
But I can't decide if I should push or wait.....
@Trfel is this a serious post if it is I find super weird the fact that most posts before and after this one are funny posts
OK after I finish catching up I'll do a Trfel's filter dive to check if my feeling is right. But I definitely have the feeling there is a contradiction in tone progression in Trfel's posts, something like funny => one serious => funny => one serious => funny
If you think that me alternating between being serious or funny is a sign that I am mafia, then I have no more words for you. To be honest, depending on how that's applied, it's probably the easiest way to read me.
Since apparently I wasn't clear:
I started out by voting rsoultin as a joke. Then I started being a bit suspicious of rsoultin, but not enough that I wanted to actually push it (at least until I reread things). Before I was able to reread things, rsoultin made some posts that were contrary to the assumptions I had made for some of my suspicions of her, and then I realized a few flaws in my suspicions. So I wasn't very suspicious of her any more).
Clear enough?
He also has posts where he talks himself in and out of points that he'd scum you for but then calls you scum after. There's also a lot of moments where he blatantly admits he wasn't reading the thread. I'm not sure if I think scumTrfel would put these things into the thread to be picked at if he was scum, unless he's just yoloing this game and trying new things.
Then dropping it I think ? The last sentence indicated he now believes Trfel is town ? It is super unclear.
4. A few excuses to him not playing the game (even if the cops' situation is probably true =X): + Show Spoiler +
On September 30 2015 07:25 The Shining wrote: Hi guys. I'm here, kinda. I have a ridiculous amount to catch up on so I prob won't be actively posting for a few hrs. I was at my college admissions office basically all day and I rarely get online Monday/Tuesday, anyway, so I apologize for not being around.
On October 01 2015 04:12 The Shining wrote: Mobile posting. Just got to work and it's a fucking shitfest. Our computer system and Internet is down so I've got a little under 3 hrs before eod to manually log in a bunch of packages on an ipad and catch up on this game on my phone, because no tablet wifi. I will be here but in limited quantities.
I'm not happy =/
On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote: Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V?
So maybe Shining is scum. But that would mean he bused coolTLname D1, which is weird.
The GB and LS things didn't mark me. I suppose you will fact check and make a proper case later ?
On October 03 2015 19:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like there is a push on rsoultin from me/marv. Shining says he's gonna take a stance on it -> never does anything about it.
yeah almost nobody wanted to take a stance on that issue at the time marv made his case. This is good
Wtf rsoul I pushed you until a point where I thought you were confirmed mafia, then I was happy and left When I came back you showed me that something I thought was false (that you started to townread Marv way before I thought) Then I re evaluated How the FUCK can you say I didn't push you
I didn't have time to invest in a push d1 cause I thought you were mafia When I re evaluated you I filter dove GB who was your fucking candidate and stated I didn't like his lynch Then I left work and couldn't post until the end of the day How is this scummy ?
On October 03 2015 20:24 Rels wrote: Wtf rsoul I pushed you until a point where I thought you were confirmed mafia, then I was happy and left When I came back you showed me that something I thought was false (that you started to townread Marv way before I thought) Then I re evaluated How the FUCK can you say I didn't push you
On October 03 2015 22:03 rsoultin wrote: oh also...if we wanted to diversify this wagon to actually get something out of it i'm also down for a rels or moosy lynch...and i'm around to talk about it if anyone else is...peripherally anyway
i'm fairly certain you'll find at least two scum in
On October 03 2015 22:03 rsoultin wrote: oh also...if we wanted to diversify this wagon to actually get something out of it i'm also down for a rels or moosy lynch...and i'm around to talk about it if anyone else is...peripherally anyway
i'm fairly certain you'll find at least two scum in
I did a filter dive of him a few hours ago; if you go back a few pages I think you'll find it easily. Basically he doesn't talk about a lot of stuff outside of "easy lynch" cool; and on his other reads, moosy a read is so weird because there is a big progression for 24 hours of moosy being weird -> suspicious -> sxummy, then he townread him of one mindmeld and being talking about other stuff. His Trfel push was weird too. Trfel had other stuff about his read of GB and ls too. I didn't particularly agree with those, but the moosy read in particular is super weird.
Rsoultin you read the thread carefully ? I asked a question to Trfel about moosy at about the time I did that shining filter analysis; can you read it and tell me what you think ?
On September 30 2015 09:57 The Shining wrote: [...] Idk what to think about SL either but I do know as games go on, it becomes blatantly obvious whether he is scum or not. Moosy and Trfel are question marks for me that I won't give a read on until I'm done filter diving them.
Starting with this post, Shinig started filter diving and questioning Moosy about stuff. His read on Moosy became more and more on the scum side, culminating in these posts EON1 / start of D2:
coolnamedude is mafia. rsoultin is mafia. LighntningStrike is mafia
in that order of confidence.
MoosyDoosy could be mafia if one of them magically happens to flip town.
I literally do not believe there is any chance for anyone else in this game to be mafia.
I believe in cool. I need to revisit the RSo cases but your last summary post of her actions are starting to make me wonder, if its all true. This wouldn't be the first time I hard towned scum RSo =/ but her play that game was different. LS is questionable/bad town at best, scum at worst but I still live in a world where both him and cool can't be scum. =/ LS sheeped onto cool and idk if he's confident enough as scum to bus D1.
And yeah Moosy is/should be on that list, too, if LS or cool were to flip town.
On October 02 2015 05:29 The Shining wrote: [quote]
Hrm this is true. And although I started being suspicious of cool pretty early over the Marv non-read, I was actually the last to vote him. I wasn't even really pushing cool, I was still questioning him before I caught his chainsaw RSo defense.
Sigh I guess I'll respond to this too. It doesn't make a difference. Rels and GB's votes didn't do much to start the wagon. It was only after you and me voted for coolTL that the wagon actually started.
Tonight, I will be banning coolTLname permanently for providing us with atrocious whiskey. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The spirits recall list is here. Only votes on this list will be counted.
Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill.
But I was the last vote on that train...you were 3rd...neither of us started that train...why are you lying/misrepresenting?
Moosy pls
Okay so I made a mistake to not see people were voting for coolTL other than me. I was just super excited that we both drew the exact same conclusion at the exact same time which is why I gave us all the credit. Either way, the coolTL wagon only became a real thing when we voted for coolTL and said he had TMI to make scott move over and make even rayn unvote to have doubts.
Yeaaaaa...I kind of thought the same but with the sequence of events and the other votes on cool, it felt like a pocket attempt while subscribing to my train of thought. Here's why:
On October 01 2015 05:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: ##unvote ##vote coolTLname
This is scum with TMI about rsoul.
This post came 2 minutes after this post of mine:
On October 01 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:16 rsoultin wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:12 The Shining wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:06 coolTLname wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:03 The Shining wrote: [quote]
If I'm understanding this right, marv is pushing your townread super hard for lynch. How is his alignment not relevant?
Why would you say you're going to do something and then not do it? And then do the same thing with rso past games instead? I don't understand this
how is saying he is mafia or town going to change his vote? i have better things to do such as defend rsoultin directly or accuse the glowing bear/ rayn and possibly sicklucker one of whom have 3 votes on.
Well you indirectly said depending on his past games he could be scum. Then you stopped caring about it. That's a lack of scumhunting to me, when you have a suspicion or pinion on someone and do absolutely nothing about it but instead start defending a townread. Looks like you're more concerned with pocketing rso than you are in finding scum.
Let me check yur filter becuz i would like to know why you're voting GB. Or you could save me the trouble and tell me.
this went through my mind
but where i get hung up on it really is what good does it do him if either of us are lynched?
pocketing me means nothing if i'm not here and obviously it means nothing if he's lynched. i guess he could just not have meant it when he said to lynch him instead of me but...blah ><
i still think this isn't gb's town game
all this is going on and he's lurking around telling truffle here's a kit kat
I just dont get why hes chainsaw defending you. If i am to believe he is newb town, i dont see how he could be this sure of a townread. Like i made the mistake as a newb of letting HtS filter size alone fool me in my first game here but even then i wasnt chainsaw defending ANY of my TRs. It looks really weird. And the saying hed look into marv later when it was HIS idea in the first place is rubbing me the wrong way.
Dont get me wrong, you were and still are in my town pile but for different reasons, not just filter length. I remember in the scum game i lost to you and your bro, i forget the game, you were way less standoffish and adamant about your trains of thought. You were more aloof and carefree that game, with a bit of trouble finding scumreads and latching onto easy mislynches. Marv is not an easy lynch, mislynch or not, so i dont think scumRso does that here.
Just enough time to read this post and make your short post after my prompting because I was already on the track to thinking cool had TMI. That was also your first post in 2 hours but you don't mention anything else and just latch onto the coolTLname TMI case.
...
...? because I was busy and literally thought of coolTLname, logged in, voted him, thought of reasoning, quoted it onto rayn's post then left
Wait so you voted him to get on the wagon and THEN thought of reasoning for it? What??
This response to a pocketing accusation is soooo bad. You tried to buddy me twice saying we got the train on cool going then when I ask about it being a pocket, you slip and admit you voted without reasoning.
Am I wrong here? Cuz if not I wanna lynch Moosy, this is bad.
But then he threw all this progression away just there:
On October 02 2015 14:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Trfel which one of us do you believe is right?
Did Trfel ever answer this? All I saw was him saying he thought cool was town and that their talk was getting nowhere. After saying he'd lynch cool because even if he's town because he's not helpful to town. That's a weird progression and considering I think rayn is town and cool is scum, it seems pretty weird to not take a side here or even analyze what the arguments they had against each other were.
Questions about Trfel to rayn.
On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote: Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V?
On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote: Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V?
yeah, his push on ls was horrid and wasn't something he'd ever say as town, essentially
I thought it was him snap voting geript at the start of the game for some bull about a self imposed 10 post limit per phase before weirdly backing off of it.
The reason I'm asking is because although he claims it was a joke, he did go out of his way to put it into the voting thread and was looking for reactions. He's your top suspicion right now so I'm wondering if you see any similarities between that game and this one.
Finally explaining why he is suspecting him.
On October 03 2015 11:43 The Shining wrote: OK thank you. I was just revisiting that because I said I'd filter him a while ago and I'm finally getting around to it.
That second post is a pretty interesting point but I'm not sure it makes him scum if he's the dolt you say he is lol. But the alternating between jokes and srs reads is shifty, I agree, although Rels also called him out for that and he addressed it here so I don't want to look too much into that.
On September 29 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote: btw truffle nope ^^ i only skimmed it cause yawn lol you can keep your shitty vote
Hm, I kind of actually think you are mafia now.....
But I can't decide if I should push or wait.....
@Trfel is this a serious post if it is I find super weird the fact that most posts before and after this one are funny posts
OK after I finish catching up I'll do a Trfel's filter dive to check if my feeling is right. But I definitely have the feeling there is a contradiction in tone progression in Trfel's posts, something like funny => one serious => funny => one serious => funny
If you think that me alternating between being serious or funny is a sign that I am mafia, then I have no more words for you. To be honest, depending on how that's applied, it's probably the easiest way to read me.
Since apparently I wasn't clear:
I started out by voting rsoultin as a joke. Then I started being a bit suspicious of rsoultin, but not enough that I wanted to actually push it (at least until I reread things). Before I was able to reread things, rsoultin made some posts that were contrary to the assumptions I had made for some of my suspicions of her, and then I realized a few flaws in my suspicions. So I wasn't very suspicious of her any more).
Clear enough?
He also has posts where he talks himself in and out of points that he'd scum you for but then calls you scum after. There's also a lot of moments where he blatantly admits he wasn't reading the thread. I'm not sure if I think scumTrfel would put these things into the thread to be picked at if he was scum, unless he's just yoloing this game and trying new things.
Then dropping it I think ? The last sentence indicated he now believes Trfel is town ? It is super unclear.
4. A few excuses to him not playing the game (even if the cops' situation is probably true =X): + Show Spoiler +
On September 30 2015 07:25 The Shining wrote: Hi guys. I'm here, kinda. I have a ridiculous amount to catch up on so I prob won't be actively posting for a few hrs. I was at my college admissions office basically all day and I rarely get online Monday/Tuesday, anyway, so I apologize for not being around.
On October 01 2015 04:12 The Shining wrote: Mobile posting. Just got to work and it's a fucking shitfest. Our computer system and Internet is down so I've got a little under 3 hrs before eod to manually log in a bunch of packages on an ipad and catch up on this game on my phone, because no tablet wifi. I will be here but in limited quantities.
I'm not happy =/
On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote: Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V?
So maybe Shining is scum. But that would mean he bused coolTLname D1, which is weird.
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID
Now I realize someone can think I am scumreading Moosy for not being here at EOD with this post. But I am not: I have never said that, and I have explained multiple times this didn't do anything for Moosy's alignement:
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID
lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time.
I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID
lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time.
I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott
Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early?
WTF you might want to reread what I wrote
Then what did you mean by "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID"
I wrote "if he is mafia GB wouldn't do that. He would shut up, not vote scott, and come back after the lynch" Then I wrote "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID" Got it ?
On October 02 2015 05:24 MoosyDoosy wrote: [quote] lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time.
I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott
Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early?
WTF you might want to reread what I wrote
Then what did you mean by "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID"
I wrote "if he is mafia GB wouldn't do that. He would shut up, not vote scott, and come back after the lynch" Then I wrote "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID" Got it ?
Yes, you're implying I shut up, not voted scott, and came back after the lynch. Which, as I explained, is just false. Then in your response you say: "Oh I wasn't referring to you I'm talking about how this makes GB scummy".
When literally right before you were saying GB couldn't be scum.
I never said this makes GB scummy. I also said you might want to reread what I wrote. So you might want to reread what I wrote Because I said the opposite
hm...didn't see the "wouldn't". Either way, I already explained that I go home at around this time ALWAYS. You can look at previous games to verify this.
It's not super important, my point is that your push on GB was stupid I will check it regardless, rayn just listed a mafia game of yours
On October 02 2015 05:28 MoosyDoosy wrote: [quote] Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early?
WTF you might want to reread what I wrote
Then what did you mean by "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID"
I wrote "if he is mafia GB wouldn't do that. He would shut up, not vote scott, and come back after the lynch" Then I wrote "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID" Got it ?
Yes, you're implying I shut up, not voted scott, and came back after the lynch. Which, as I explained, is just false. Then in your response you say: "Oh I wasn't referring to you I'm talking about how this makes GB scummy".
When literally right before you were saying GB couldn't be scum.
I never said this makes GB scummy. I also said you might want to reread what I wrote. So you might want to reread what I wrote Because I said the opposite
hm...didn't see the "wouldn't". Either way, I already explained that I go home at around this time ALWAYS. You can look at previous games to verify this.
It's not super important, my point is that your push on GB was stupid I will check it regardless, rayn just listed a mafia game of yours
"It's not super important?" So you scum read me for it, then brush it aside once I explain it away? ok.
yes it is not super important I explained what GB would have done if he was mafia: shut up and wait for deadline Then I realized you did exactly that, so I was excited But it doesn't mean anything since you could just be busy
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
you're lying I never said you not being here at EOD was scum indicative. I said GB being here at EOD and not switching was town indicative because he would have shut up at EOD; then remarked it was ironic since you did exactly that. I'm attacking you on two things: - your GB's EOD analysis is bullshit - you lied about being the first to vote and push coolTLname Now the problem I have with you as scum is that you would be busing coolTLname D1, which I don't think is likely. Hence why I'm not sure about you.
I am scumreading Moosy for other reasons, but it's unrelated to this.
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
I thought the bolded refered to me thinking him not being here at EOD was scum indicative. - If that's the case, Moosy is clearly mis interpreting my scumread on him - If that's not the case, I have no idea what he is talking about and this could be a lie
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
What were you talking about then ?
lol point A speaks for itself. you can literally go back and check.
Question 1 What do you think Moosy was talking about, if it's not the fact that I thought him not being here at deadline is scum indicative ?
Since then I've asked the questions to Moosy each time I saw him in the thread, and he never answered. + Show Spoiler +
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
What were you talking about then ?
lol point A speaks for itself. you can literally go back and check.
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
What were you talking about then ?
lol point A speaks for itself. you can literally go back and check.
Can you answer my request I think point A is pointing at me saying ACTUALLY MOOSY DID EXACTLY THAT Yes or no ? If no, what is it pointing at ? AFK for like one hour so I hope you'll have answered then
On October 03 2015 02:14 Rels wrote: is one hour not enough to answer this ?
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
What were you talking about then ?
lol point A speaks for itself. you can literally go back and check.
Can you answer my request I think point A is pointing at me saying ACTUALLY MOOSY DID EXACTLY THAT Yes or no ? If no, what is it pointing at ? AFK for like one hour so I hope you'll have answered then
So. There is Moosy's theory that mafia would let scott be lynched. And there is sicklucker's theory that mafia would jump on scott to kill a blue. I think there is no way to know right now because: - sicklucker is right; mafia would like scott, that they are pretty sure are blue, to be lynched - but Moosy is also right; once scott is the lynch, there is no need to switch to him anymore. Better shut up, stay on another person, and don't be on the blue train So this vote recap is pretty useless right now; however it will be a great help later in the game, with one or two mafias flips.
No, we are both right. There is one Mafia probably on coolTL and the other on scott.
So. There is Moosy's theory that mafia would let scott be lynched. And there is sicklucker's theory that mafia would jump on scott to kill a blue. I think there is no way to know right now because: - sicklucker is right; mafia would like scott, that they are pretty sure are blue, to be lynched - but Moosy is also right; once scott is the lynch, there is no need to switch to him anymore. Better shut up, stay on another person, and don't be on the blue train So this vote recap is pretty useless right now; however it will be a great help later in the game, with one or two mafias flips.
No, we are both right. There is one Mafia probably on coolTL and the other on scott.
On September 30 2015 09:57 The Shining wrote: [...] Idk what to think about SL either but I do know as games go on, it becomes blatantly obvious whether he is scum or not. Moosy and Trfel are question marks for me that I won't give a read on until I'm done filter diving them.
Starting with this post, Shinig started filter diving and questioning Moosy about stuff. His read on Moosy became more and more on the scum side, culminating in these posts EON1 / start of D2:
coolnamedude is mafia. rsoultin is mafia. LighntningStrike is mafia
in that order of confidence.
MoosyDoosy could be mafia if one of them magically happens to flip town.
I literally do not believe there is any chance for anyone else in this game to be mafia.
I believe in cool. I need to revisit the RSo cases but your last summary post of her actions are starting to make me wonder, if its all true. This wouldn't be the first time I hard towned scum RSo =/ but her play that game was different. LS is questionable/bad town at best, scum at worst but I still live in a world where both him and cool can't be scum. =/ LS sheeped onto cool and idk if he's confident enough as scum to bus D1.
And yeah Moosy is/should be on that list, too, if LS or cool were to flip town.
On October 02 2015 05:29 The Shining wrote: [quote]
Hrm this is true. And although I started being suspicious of cool pretty early over the Marv non-read, I was actually the last to vote him. I wasn't even really pushing cool, I was still questioning him before I caught his chainsaw RSo defense.
Sigh I guess I'll respond to this too. It doesn't make a difference. Rels and GB's votes didn't do much to start the wagon. It was only after you and me voted for coolTL that the wagon actually started.
Tonight, I will be banning coolTLname permanently for providing us with atrocious whiskey. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The spirits recall list is here. Only votes on this list will be counted.
Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill.
But I was the last vote on that train...you were 3rd...neither of us started that train...why are you lying/misrepresenting?
Moosy pls
Okay so I made a mistake to not see people were voting for coolTL other than me. I was just super excited that we both drew the exact same conclusion at the exact same time which is why I gave us all the credit. Either way, the coolTL wagon only became a real thing when we voted for coolTL and said he had TMI to make scott move over and make even rayn unvote to have doubts.
Yeaaaaa...I kind of thought the same but with the sequence of events and the other votes on cool, it felt like a pocket attempt while subscribing to my train of thought. Here's why:
On October 01 2015 05:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: ##unvote ##vote coolTLname
This is scum with TMI about rsoul.
This post came 2 minutes after this post of mine:
On October 01 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:16 rsoultin wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:12 The Shining wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:06 coolTLname wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:03 The Shining wrote: [quote]
If I'm understanding this right, marv is pushing your townread super hard for lynch. How is his alignment not relevant?
Why would you say you're going to do something and then not do it? And then do the same thing with rso past games instead? I don't understand this
how is saying he is mafia or town going to change his vote? i have better things to do such as defend rsoultin directly or accuse the glowing bear/ rayn and possibly sicklucker one of whom have 3 votes on.
Well you indirectly said depending on his past games he could be scum. Then you stopped caring about it. That's a lack of scumhunting to me, when you have a suspicion or pinion on someone and do absolutely nothing about it but instead start defending a townread. Looks like you're more concerned with pocketing rso than you are in finding scum.
Let me check yur filter becuz i would like to know why you're voting GB. Or you could save me the trouble and tell me.
this went through my mind
but where i get hung up on it really is what good does it do him if either of us are lynched?
pocketing me means nothing if i'm not here and obviously it means nothing if he's lynched. i guess he could just not have meant it when he said to lynch him instead of me but...blah ><
i still think this isn't gb's town game
all this is going on and he's lurking around telling truffle here's a kit kat
I just dont get why hes chainsaw defending you. If i am to believe he is newb town, i dont see how he could be this sure of a townread. Like i made the mistake as a newb of letting HtS filter size alone fool me in my first game here but even then i wasnt chainsaw defending ANY of my TRs. It looks really weird. And the saying hed look into marv later when it was HIS idea in the first place is rubbing me the wrong way.
Dont get me wrong, you were and still are in my town pile but for different reasons, not just filter length. I remember in the scum game i lost to you and your bro, i forget the game, you were way less standoffish and adamant about your trains of thought. You were more aloof and carefree that game, with a bit of trouble finding scumreads and latching onto easy mislynches. Marv is not an easy lynch, mislynch or not, so i dont think scumRso does that here.
Just enough time to read this post and make your short post after my prompting because I was already on the track to thinking cool had TMI. That was also your first post in 2 hours but you don't mention anything else and just latch onto the coolTLname TMI case.
...
...? because I was busy and literally thought of coolTLname, logged in, voted him, thought of reasoning, quoted it onto rayn's post then left
Wait so you voted him to get on the wagon and THEN thought of reasoning for it? What??
This response to a pocketing accusation is soooo bad. You tried to buddy me twice saying we got the train on cool going then when I ask about it being a pocket, you slip and admit you voted without reasoning.
Am I wrong here? Cuz if not I wanna lynch Moosy, this is bad.
But then he threw all this progression away just there:
On October 02 2015 14:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Trfel which one of us do you believe is right?
Did Trfel ever answer this? All I saw was him saying he thought cool was town and that their talk was getting nowhere. After saying he'd lynch cool because even if he's town because he's not helpful to town. That's a weird progression and considering I think rayn is town and cool is scum, it seems pretty weird to not take a side here or even analyze what the arguments they had against each other were.
Questions about Trfel to rayn.
On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote: Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V?
On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote: Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V?
yeah, his push on ls was horrid and wasn't something he'd ever say as town, essentially
I thought it was him snap voting geript at the start of the game for some bull about a self imposed 10 post limit per phase before weirdly backing off of it.
The reason I'm asking is because although he claims it was a joke, he did go out of his way to put it into the voting thread and was looking for reactions. He's your top suspicion right now so I'm wondering if you see any similarities between that game and this one.
Finally explaining why he is suspecting him.
On October 03 2015 11:43 The Shining wrote: OK thank you. I was just revisiting that because I said I'd filter him a while ago and I'm finally getting around to it.
That second post is a pretty interesting point but I'm not sure it makes him scum if he's the dolt you say he is lol. But the alternating between jokes and srs reads is shifty, I agree, although Rels also called him out for that and he addressed it here so I don't want to look too much into that.
On September 29 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote: btw truffle nope ^^ i only skimmed it cause yawn lol you can keep your shitty vote
Hm, I kind of actually think you are mafia now.....
But I can't decide if I should push or wait.....
@Trfel is this a serious post if it is I find super weird the fact that most posts before and after this one are funny posts
OK after I finish catching up I'll do a Trfel's filter dive to check if my feeling is right. But I definitely have the feeling there is a contradiction in tone progression in Trfel's posts, something like funny => one serious => funny => one serious => funny
If you think that me alternating between being serious or funny is a sign that I am mafia, then I have no more words for you. To be honest, depending on how that's applied, it's probably the easiest way to read me.
Since apparently I wasn't clear:
I started out by voting rsoultin as a joke. Then I started being a bit suspicious of rsoultin, but not enough that I wanted to actually push it (at least until I reread things). Before I was able to reread things, rsoultin made some posts that were contrary to the assumptions I had made for some of my suspicions of her, and then I realized a few flaws in my suspicions. So I wasn't very suspicious of her any more).
Clear enough?
He also has posts where he talks himself in and out of points that he'd scum you for but then calls you scum after. There's also a lot of moments where he blatantly admits he wasn't reading the thread. I'm not sure if I think scumTrfel would put these things into the thread to be picked at if he was scum, unless he's just yoloing this game and trying new things.
Then dropping it I think ? The last sentence indicated he now believes Trfel is town ? It is super unclear.
4. A few excuses to him not playing the game (even if the cops' situation is probably true =X): + Show Spoiler +
On September 30 2015 07:25 The Shining wrote: Hi guys. I'm here, kinda. I have a ridiculous amount to catch up on so I prob won't be actively posting for a few hrs. I was at my college admissions office basically all day and I rarely get online Monday/Tuesday, anyway, so I apologize for not being around.
On October 01 2015 04:12 The Shining wrote: Mobile posting. Just got to work and it's a fucking shitfest. Our computer system and Internet is down so I've got a little under 3 hrs before eod to manually log in a bunch of packages on an ipad and catch up on this game on my phone, because no tablet wifi. I will be here but in limited quantities.
I'm not happy =/
On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote: Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V?
So maybe Shining is scum. But that would mean he bused coolTLname D1, which is weird.
mmm
well he can answer for the moosy read progression i have my own opinion on that that i don't want to give him answers for
as for trfel that just looks like trying to work out his alignment? and possibly mine by probing my thoughts. i don't find that concerning at all
i'd agree about cool but he was one of the first ones looking into him so eh
Mm I have no idea what good explanation he can give to that About Trfel, the big thing is his last post. I have no idea if he still suspects him or if he cleared him. Looks like he s keeping his options open
No. In this question, the scummy parts is that he is misrepresenting why I'm scumreading him + the fact that he ignored my questions several times is the scummy part I also think he's scum because - his push on GB was done on super bad reasonning - he claimed to have been the one first voting and first pushing cool while it was me and GB; GB that he was pushing at the time - he associated with shining and based his push d1 on cool on a shining post; while answering questions, he kept bringing up that shining and him were the push creator on coolTLname
On October 04 2015 00:30 Rels wrote: No. In this question, the scummy parts is that he is misrepresenting why I'm scumreading him + the fact that he ignored my questions several times is the scummy part I also think he's scum because - his push on GB was done on super bad reasonning - he claimed to have been the one first voting and first pushing cool while it was me and GB; GB that he was pushing at the time - he associated with shining and based his push d1 on cool on a shining post; while answering questions, he kept bringing up that shining and him were the push creator on coolTLname
isn't this all explained with the last thing? or like associated with it?
You mean he believed he was really the first because he associated with shining ? Let's assume he's town. For him to believe that it would mean he didn't read the thread properly and didn't check any vote counts. The more likely explanation is that hes scum trying to get credit for all that, like I did in the last game where I stole a bunch of things from other people Plus it would mean he's not reading the thread while attacking me for not reading the thread
On October 04 2015 00:30 Rels wrote: No. In this question, the scummy parts is that he is misrepresenting why I'm scumreading him + the fact that he ignored my questions several times is the scummy part I also think he's scum because - his push on GB was done on super bad reasonning - he claimed to have been the one first voting and first pushing cool while it was me and GB; GB that he was pushing at the time - he associated with shining and based his push d1 on cool on a shining post; while answering questions, he kept bringing up that shining and him were the push creator on coolTLname
nh
so why does this make him less scummy in your eyes than shining again?
like here you have a guy you've been arguing with constantly, who you had a terrible reason for pushing gb, who you think is misrepresenting you (i'd argue this part is arbitrary tbh), and who "stole" your credit on a player who hasn't even flipped yet
and then we have shining which is just based on him changing a read and not being clear on another one? plus pushing the guy you think is scum since like the game started?
i guess i don't see where your lynch order comes from, from your perspective
I'm not definite on that! There are more or less at the same levels. If I had to chose right now I would chose shining but I'm not sure
On October 04 2015 00:30 Rels wrote: No. In this question, the scummy parts is that he is misrepresenting why I'm scumreading him + the fact that he ignored my questions several times is the scummy part I also think he's scum because - his push on GB was done on super bad reasonning - he claimed to have been the one first voting and first pushing cool while it was me and GB; GB that he was pushing at the time - he associated with shining and based his push d1 on cool on a shining post; while answering questions, he kept bringing up that shining and him were the push creator on coolTLname
nh
so why does this make him less scummy in your eyes than shining again?
like here you have a guy you've been arguing with constantly, who you had a terrible reason for pushing gb, who you think is misrepresenting you (i'd argue this part is arbitrary tbh), and who "stole" your credit on a player who hasn't even flipped yet
and then we have shining which is just based on him changing a read and not being clear on another one? plus pushing the guy you think is scum since like the game started?
i guess i don't see where your lynch order comes from, from your perspective
I'm not definite on that! There are more or less at the same levels. If I had to chose right now I would chose shining but I'm not sure
...
well i think you can see why, when i'm townreading shining and suspicious of the both of you, when the weight of your scumreads doesn't seem to match your lynch order and you want to lynch my townread first
i'd expect some clear reason why shining is more suspicious to you
Well I don't have them. I don't know which one of moosy and shining is more scummy to me. Ill lynch shining right now because he's way less active; that's is.
On October 04 2015 01:19 rsoultin wrote: Tbh i'm not sure how these two reads are equal to you given the evidence you've listed.
I think the fact that Trfel said he would come back with points on shining s read on GB and LS is also part of why I think that. Like I spent the whole morning talking with Trfel and rayn about shining As said, I would lynch Moosy over anyone but coolTLname, and maybe shining. So I don't see why you re pushing me over such a small thing, even more so when neither of them are the lynch right now
On October 04 2015 01:27 Rels wrote: If you think Trfel is town, why is me suspecting shining at the same level as moosy is suspicious for you, when Trfel thinks shining is mafia ?
That doesn't make sense. You quoted damdred s read of shining to counter me; but you omitted to talk about "confirmed town" Trfel's one
On October 03 2015 18:18 Rels wrote: OK Trfel. Please follow me.
I made this post about Moosy's suspicions of GB:
On October 02 2015 04:56 Rels wrote:
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.
Then I realized:
On October 02 2015 05:12 Rels wrote: ACTUALLY
On October 02 2015 04:56 Rels wrote:
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID
Now I realize someone can think I am scumreading Moosy for not being here at EOD with this post. But I am not: I have never said that, and I have explained multiple times this didn't do anything for Moosy's alignement:
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID
lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time.
I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID
lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time.
I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott
Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early?
WTF you might want to reread what I wrote
Then what did you mean by "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID"
I wrote "if he is mafia GB wouldn't do that. He would shut up, not vote scott, and come back after the lynch" Then I wrote "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID" Got it ?
On October 02 2015 05:24 MoosyDoosy wrote: [quote] lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time.
I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott
Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early?
WTF you might want to reread what I wrote
Then what did you mean by "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID"
I wrote "if he is mafia GB wouldn't do that. He would shut up, not vote scott, and come back after the lynch" Then I wrote "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID" Got it ?
Yes, you're implying I shut up, not voted scott, and came back after the lynch. Which, as I explained, is just false. Then in your response you say: "Oh I wasn't referring to you I'm talking about how this makes GB scummy".
When literally right before you were saying GB couldn't be scum.
I never said this makes GB scummy. I also said you might want to reread what I wrote. So you might want to reread what I wrote Because I said the opposite
hm...didn't see the "wouldn't". Either way, I already explained that I go home at around this time ALWAYS. You can look at previous games to verify this.
It's not super important, my point is that your push on GB was stupid I will check it regardless, rayn just listed a mafia game of yours
On October 02 2015 05:28 MoosyDoosy wrote: [quote] Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early?
WTF you might want to reread what I wrote
Then what did you mean by "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID"
I wrote "if he is mafia GB wouldn't do that. He would shut up, not vote scott, and come back after the lynch" Then I wrote "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID" Got it ?
Yes, you're implying I shut up, not voted scott, and came back after the lynch. Which, as I explained, is just false. Then in your response you say: "Oh I wasn't referring to you I'm talking about how this makes GB scummy".
When literally right before you were saying GB couldn't be scum.
I never said this makes GB scummy. I also said you might want to reread what I wrote. So you might want to reread what I wrote Because I said the opposite
hm...didn't see the "wouldn't". Either way, I already explained that I go home at around this time ALWAYS. You can look at previous games to verify this.
It's not super important, my point is that your push on GB was stupid I will check it regardless, rayn just listed a mafia game of yours
"It's not super important?" So you scum read me for it, then brush it aside once I explain it away? ok.
yes it is not super important I explained what GB would have done if he was mafia: shut up and wait for deadline Then I realized you did exactly that, so I was excited But it doesn't mean anything since you could just be busy
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
you're lying I never said you not being here at EOD was scum indicative. I said GB being here at EOD and not switching was town indicative because he would have shut up at EOD; then remarked it was ironic since you did exactly that. I'm attacking you on two things: - your GB's EOD analysis is bullshit - you lied about being the first to vote and push coolTLname Now the problem I have with you as scum is that you would be busing coolTLname D1, which I don't think is likely. Hence why I'm not sure about you.
I am scumreading Moosy for other reasons, but it's unrelated to this.
Now Moosy made this post:
On October 03 2015 00:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
I thought the bolded refered to me thinking him not being here at EOD was scum indicative. - If that's the case, Moosy is clearly mis interpreting my scumread on him - If that's not the case, I have no idea what he is talking about and this could be a lie
He said it was not the case, but didn't precise:
On October 03 2015 01:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:
On October 03 2015 00:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
What were you talking about then ?
lol point A speaks for itself. you can literally go back and check.
Question 1 What do you think Moosy was talking about, if it's not the fact that I thought him not being here at deadline is scum indicative ?
Since then I've asked the questions to Moosy each time I saw him in the thread, and he never answered. + Show Spoiler +
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
What were you talking about then ?
lol point A speaks for itself. you can literally go back and check.
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
What were you talking about then ?
lol point A speaks for itself. you can literally go back and check.
Can you answer my request I think point A is pointing at me saying ACTUALLY MOOSY DID EXACTLY THAT Yes or no ? If no, what is it pointing at ? AFK for like one hour so I hope you'll have answered then
On October 03 2015 02:14 Rels wrote: is one hour not enough to answer this ?
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads
I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
What were you talking about then ?
lol point A speaks for itself. you can literally go back and check.
Can you answer my request I think point A is pointing at me saying ACTUALLY MOOSY DID EXACTLY THAT Yes or no ? If no, what is it pointing at ? AFK for like one hour so I hope you'll have answered then
So. There is Moosy's theory that mafia would let scott be lynched. And there is sicklucker's theory that mafia would jump on scott to kill a blue. I think there is no way to know right now because: - sicklucker is right; mafia would like scott, that they are pretty sure are blue, to be lynched - but Moosy is also right; once scott is the lynch, there is no need to switch to him anymore. Better shut up, stay on another person, and don't be on the blue train So this vote recap is pretty useless right now; however it will be a great help later in the game, with one or two mafias flips.
No, we are both right. There is one Mafia probably on coolTL and the other on scott.
So. There is Moosy's theory that mafia would let scott be lynched. And there is sicklucker's theory that mafia would jump on scott to kill a blue. I think there is no way to know right now because: - sicklucker is right; mafia would like scott, that they are pretty sure are blue, to be lynched - but Moosy is also right; once scott is the lynch, there is no need to switch to him anymore. Better shut up, stay on another person, and don't be on the blue train So this vote recap is pretty useless right now; however it will be a great help later in the game, with one or two mafias flips.
No, we are both right. There is one Mafia probably on coolTL and the other on scott.
that would make sense Can you answer my request ?
Question 2 I think it's scum indicative. Do you ?
...lol.
ok. you participated in that discussion with me. it was you and me talking with each other. i say i said you were scummy for more than one thing. you're claiming i only said you were scummy for your screaming post about me acting strange. (btw, if you scream like that it shows that you're excited which means it's a scumread, so expecting me to read it as the opposite is pretty stupid). i think I know what i'm saying. If you disagree, go back and read the discussion again lol. Point A is that you're not reading the thread clearly. And you clearly haven't since you only drew one thing from it, which is incidentally, you expecting me to make a nonsensical conclusion that you read me as town when you scream that my behavior was scummy.
So part of the reason you scumread me is that you think I partly scumread you based on the fact you were absent at eod. That doesn't make sense, especially since ive explained multiple times why I never scumread you based on that.
On October 03 2015 18:24 Trfel wrote: Rels, I'm sorry, I honestly have no clue. I don't think it's good to go through all of MoosyDoosy's filter and try to piece together what he was trying to say, that should be his job. Plus if he is mafia and this would catch him, you might find a more reasonable explanation than what he actually did. Why don't we just wait for him to explain what he was saying when he gets back?
As for if it's mafia indicative, I don't feel like he would reach for a scumread when there's no incentive for doing so and it can be clearly shown that he's wrong. Though honestly I had some trouble following your post, I've been reading this game very quickly and not to the level of detail that I would have hoped for. I'll check it again when I finish with this The Shining thing, I'm pretty excited about that honestly.
No the biggest scum indicator is that I did wait for him to answer. That's two times he is in the thread, I ask him to precise, and he doesn't do it.
I'm sorry, it's 5:30 AM and MoosyDoosy's arrogance makes it very hard for me to read him He's just always so freaking confident beyond logic, and I try to be as realistic as I can, the clash is quite hard for me...
My first thought is that his arrogance could lead him to just ignore you, especially if he was scumreading you at the time which I believe he was?
I'll try to take another look at it tomorrow, especially if you remind me, but I might not even have time to finish looking at The Shining
He's not ignoring me since the last time that he was in the thread, he answered a post of mine.
On October 03 2015 03:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 03 2015 03:19 Rels wrote: Vote recap with colored flip
So. There is Moosy's theory that mafia would let scott be lynched. And there is sicklucker's theory that mafia would jump on scott to kill a blue. I think there is no way to know right now because: - sicklucker is right; mafia would like scott, that they are pretty sure are blue, to be lynched - but Moosy is also right; once scott is the lynch, there is no need to switch to him anymore. Better shut up, stay on another person, and don't be on the blue train So this vote recap is pretty useless right now; however it will be a great help later in the game, with one or two mafias flips.
No, we are both right. There is one Mafia probably on coolTL and the other on scott.
I wasn't answering this. You were just drawing the wrong conclusion.
On October 04 2015 01:50 Trfel wrote: I'm going to lynch The Shining with whoever wants to lynch scum, then.
Rels is actually working with me, so he gets a pass for today. Even if he's mafia, he's much more enjoyable to play with than some of these other people, and he does give the impression that he's actually trying to solve the game (even if he gives this impression as scum as well, though I didn't read his scum game).
On October 03 2015 18:24 Trfel wrote: Rels, I'm sorry, I honestly have no clue. I don't think it's good to go through all of MoosyDoosy's filter and try to piece together what he was trying to say, that should be his job. Plus if he is mafia and this would catch him, you might find a more reasonable explanation than what he actually did. Why don't we just wait for him to explain what he was saying when he gets back?
As for if it's mafia indicative, I don't feel like he would reach for a scumread when there's no incentive for doing so and it can be clearly shown that he's wrong. Though honestly I had some trouble following your post, I've been reading this game very quickly and not to the level of detail that I would have hoped for. I'll check it again when I finish with this The Shining thing, I'm pretty excited about that honestly.
No the biggest scum indicator is that I did wait for him to answer. That's two times he is in the thread, I ask him to precise, and he doesn't do it.
I'm sorry, it's 5:30 AM and MoosyDoosy's arrogance makes it very hard for me to read him He's just always so freaking confident beyond logic, and I try to be as realistic as I can, the clash is quite hard for me...
My first thought is that his arrogance could lead him to just ignore you, especially if he was scumreading you at the time which I believe he was?
I'll try to take another look at it tomorrow, especially if you remind me, but I might not even have time to finish looking at The Shining
He's not ignoring me since the last time that he was in the thread, he answered a post of mine.
On October 03 2015 03:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 03 2015 03:19 Rels wrote: Vote recap with colored flip
So. There is Moosy's theory that mafia would let scott be lynched. And there is sicklucker's theory that mafia would jump on scott to kill a blue. I think there is no way to know right now because: - sicklucker is right; mafia would like scott, that they are pretty sure are blue, to be lynched - but Moosy is also right; once scott is the lynch, there is no need to switch to him anymore. Better shut up, stay on another person, and don't be on the blue train So this vote recap is pretty useless right now; however it will be a great help later in the game, with one or two mafias flips.
No, we are both right. There is one Mafia probably on coolTL and the other on scott.
I wasn't answering this. You were just drawing the wrong conclusion.
So you were ignoring me ?
When someone is misreading what both me and sicklucker said obviously I'm correcting you. And when you're clearly not reading our discussion properly then there's no reason for me to point it out until you go back and read it properly.
OK. This is going to be settled when I get to a computer IE tomorrow. Because I'm pretty sure it does not make any sense. And the fact that you are not answering a simple yes / no question is reassuring me in that direction
On October 03 2015 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: rsoultin do you think or do you not think Rels wanted to lynch you on D1?
DUDE
he clearly wanted to part of d1 and then didn't want to!
like how the fuck do you not understand this?!
So he was not pushing your lynch then, because you can't be pushing and not pushing.
Again, why did mafia not hop on your lynch?
apparently rels did not hop onto my lynch because rayn's world only consists of what happens at the end ^^ and that's assuming that rels is actually mafia
how should i know why according to rayn view mafia didn't hop onto my lynch? maybe they don't want to be associated with mislynching a town rsoul. they didn't pm me and tell me 'hey rsoul, we didn't jump on your wagon because x'
This is actually one of the reasons that I scum read Rels in my argument with him which he somehow didn't pick up on. He's very less invested in following the people he thinks are scum. He's already questioned me then acceded and went away. Very uncharacteristic of him when he normally tunnels harder than rayn.
Another lie. I did pick it up. I said that I had nothing to comment on because it was true. With me re evaluating rsoultin then leaving work then being unavailable to play until deadline d1, I didn't have time to do that. I will find the post to prove that. Me picking on one inconsistent part of your read is different from me not acknowledging other parts of your read
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
So your lynch candidates are coolTLname AND the two persons that voted him before you ? And these two persons being: - the one that was the first to put suspicions on coolTLname - the one that didn't want to switch from coolTLname even with a counter claim ???????????
I gave explanation for GB. My point on you still stands. I do not see you pushing on coolTL at all.
Your point on me is true, so I can't say anything about that. But if you think coolTLname is scum, this GB's read is retarded. He was trying to get people to lynch coolTLname over scott! If he was mafia he would shut up and let things happen
On October 04 2015 02:43 Rels wrote: Nobody I would lynch shining or moosy after him
If you would lynch both of them, why not lynching them now?
Because coolTLname is mafia I'm sure he s a lurker reader. I was convinced by two slips he made about knowing the people playing here. And a lurker reader wouldn't play like that as town. Talking about the medic claim bait here Trfel did a big a post about how nobody did that (reading games but not playing or talking). He gave Scott as an exception that was a lurker reader. He said that there was w orld of difference between Scott's play and cooltlname s play Guess what: 1 - that is my point. A lurker reader woudlnt play like that as town 2- in my first game, I caught Scott as scum and made him lynch. I'll repeat: in my first game ever as a newbie, I caught him as scum and was the main force behind his lynch Now about the "nobody does that": well, I'm the living proof that people DO that. In 2008 or so, II read some games in this forum, but never posted or asked for obs qt or anything. The best part: that is verifiable, as I had to ask for the permission to read this forum, so its one of my first post ever in this site
On October 04 2015 02:43 Rels wrote: Nobody I would lynch shining or moosy after him
If you would lynch both of them, why not lynching them now?
Because coolTLname is mafia I'm sure he s a lurker reader. I was convinced by two slips he made about knowing the people playing here. And a lurker reader wouldn't play like that as town. Talking about the medic claim bait here Trfel did a big a post about how nobody did that (reading games but not playing or talking). He gave Scott as an exception that was a lurker reader. He said that there was w orld of difference between Scott's play and cooltlname s play Guess what: 1 - that is my point. A lurker reader woudlnt play like that as town 2- in my first game, I caught Scott as scum and made him lynch. I'll repeat: in my first game ever as a newbie, I caught him as scum and was the main force behind his lynch Now about the "nobody does that": well, I'm the living proof that people DO that. In 2008 or so, II read some games in this forum, but never posted or asked for obs qt or anything. The best part: that is verifiable, as I had to ask for the permission to read this forum, so its one of my first post ever in this site
Yeah but a Mafia team wouldn't let him be the lunch for two consecutive days without doing nothing. And this is what is happening here
Well that was this exact thought that made me switch d1 How dumb are we going to be if he wins playing like that
On October 03 2015 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: rsoultin do you think or do you not think Rels wanted to lynch you on D1?
DUDE
he clearly wanted to part of d1 and then didn't want to!
like how the fuck do you not understand this?!
So he was not pushing your lynch then, because you can't be pushing and not pushing.
Again, why did mafia not hop on your lynch?
apparently rels did not hop onto my lynch because rayn's world only consists of what happens at the end ^^ and that's assuming that rels is actually mafia
how should i know why according to rayn view mafia didn't hop onto my lynch? maybe they don't want to be associated with mislynching a town rsoul. they didn't pm me and tell me 'hey rsoul, we didn't jump on your wagon because x'
This is actually one of the reasons that I scum read Rels in my argument with him which he somehow didn't pick up on. He's very less invested in following the people he thinks are scum. He's already questioned me then acceded and went away. Very uncharacteristic of him when he normally tunnels harder than rayn.
Another lie. I did pick it up. I said that I had nothing to comment on because it was true. With me re evaluating rsoultin then leaving work then being unavailable to play until deadline d1, I didn't have time to do that. I will find the post to prove that. Me picking on one inconsistent part of your read is different from me not acknowledging other parts of your read
lol then you definitely know 100% that I'm not just talking about 1 part of my argument with you. Thank you for admitting it.
I have no idea what you are talking anymore. I tried to clarify stuff by asking you a simple question and I didn't understand the answer
On October 03 2015 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: rsoultin do you think or do you not think Rels wanted to lynch you on D1?
DUDE
he clearly wanted to part of d1 and then didn't want to!
like how the fuck do you not understand this?!
So he was not pushing your lynch then, because you can't be pushing and not pushing.
Again, why did mafia not hop on your lynch?
apparently rels did not hop onto my lynch because rayn's world only consists of what happens at the end ^^ and that's assuming that rels is actually mafia
how should i know why according to rayn view mafia didn't hop onto my lynch? maybe they don't want to be associated with mislynching a town rsoul. they didn't pm me and tell me 'hey rsoul, we didn't jump on your wagon because x'
This is actually one of the reasons that I scum read Rels in my argument with him which he somehow didn't pick up on. He's very less invested in following the people he thinks are scum. He's already questioned me then acceded and went away. Very uncharacteristic of him when he normally tunnels harder than rayn.
Another lie. I did pick it up. I said that I had nothing to comment on because it was true. With me re evaluating rsoultin then leaving work then being unavailable to play until deadline d1, I didn't have time to do that. I will find the post to prove that. Me picking on one inconsistent part of your read is different from me not acknowledging other parts of your read
lol then you definitely know 100% that I'm not just talking about 1 part of my argument with you. Thank you for admitting it.
I have no idea what you are talking anymore. I tried to clarify stuff by asking you a simple question and I didn't understand the answer
ok let me explain this.
A. you highlighted one ambiguous part of my post and said that I was scumreading you for you screaming about my behavior and how you were actually just reading me town. B. I said that it was weird for you to expect me to know you were reading me town when you were screaming. C. I also said that there was obviously more than one part to what I was scumreading you for so I didn't understand how you only got that from our argument D. you asked me what these other parts were E. point A was not reading the thread properly which is definitely what you are doing if you think I'm scumreading you for only one thing F. you tunnel on me for not answering a question that you should know the answer to G. you admit there are more points that can make you scum H. i'm clearly right in that there are more points to scumread you as you just admitted
My question is "is the fact that I screamed that line at you still part of your case against me" Yes no
he clearly wanted to part of d1 and then didn't want to!
like how the fuck do you not understand this?!
So he was not pushing your lynch then, because you can't be pushing and not pushing.
Again, why did mafia not hop on your lynch?
apparently rels did not hop onto my lynch because rayn's world only consists of what happens at the end ^^ and that's assuming that rels is actually mafia
how should i know why according to rayn view mafia didn't hop onto my lynch? maybe they don't want to be associated with mislynching a town rsoul. they didn't pm me and tell me 'hey rsoul, we didn't jump on your wagon because x'
This is actually one of the reasons that I scum read Rels in my argument with him which he somehow didn't pick up on. He's very less invested in following the people he thinks are scum. He's already questioned me then acceded and went away. Very uncharacteristic of him when he normally tunnels harder than rayn.
Another lie. I did pick it up. I said that I had nothing to comment on because it was true. With me re evaluating rsoultin then leaving work then being unavailable to play until deadline d1, I didn't have time to do that. I will find the post to prove that. Me picking on one inconsistent part of your read is different from me not acknowledging other parts of your read
lol then you definitely know 100% that I'm not just talking about 1 part of my argument with you. Thank you for admitting it.
I have no idea what you are talking anymore. I tried to clarify stuff by asking you a simple question and I didn't understand the answer
ok let me explain this.
A. you highlighted one ambiguous part of my post and said that I was scumreading you for you screaming about my behavior and how you were actually just reading me town. B. I said that it was weird for you to expect me to know you were reading me town when you were screaming. C. I also said that there was obviously more than one part to what I was scumreading you for so I didn't understand how you only got that from our argument D. you asked me what these other parts were E. point A was not reading the thread properly which is definitely what you are doing if you think I'm scumreading you for only one thing F. you tunnel on me for not answering a question that you should know the answer to G. you admit there are more points that can make you scum H. i'm clearly right in that there are more points to scumread you as you just admitted
My question is "is the fact that I screamed that line at you still part of your case against me" Yes no
Yes. There is no way you can expect me to know you are town reading me when you are screaming about my behavior like you caught something.
apparently rels did not hop onto my lynch because rayn's world only consists of what happens at the end ^^ and that's assuming that rels is actually mafia
how should i know why according to rayn view mafia didn't hop onto my lynch? maybe they don't want to be associated with mislynching a town rsoul. they didn't pm me and tell me 'hey rsoul, we didn't jump on your wagon because x'
This is actually one of the reasons that I scum read Rels in my argument with him which he somehow didn't pick up on. He's very less invested in following the people he thinks are scum. He's already questioned me then acceded and went away. Very uncharacteristic of him when he normally tunnels harder than rayn.
Another lie. I did pick it up. I said that I had nothing to comment on because it was true. With me re evaluating rsoultin then leaving work then being unavailable to play until deadline d1, I didn't have time to do that. I will find the post to prove that. Me picking on one inconsistent part of your read is different from me not acknowledging other parts of your read
lol then you definitely know 100% that I'm not just talking about 1 part of my argument with you. Thank you for admitting it.
I have no idea what you are talking anymore. I tried to clarify stuff by asking you a simple question and I didn't understand the answer
ok let me explain this.
A. you highlighted one ambiguous part of my post and said that I was scumreading you for you screaming about my behavior and how you were actually just reading me town. B. I said that it was weird for you to expect me to know you were reading me town when you were screaming. C. I also said that there was obviously more than one part to what I was scumreading you for so I didn't understand how you only got that from our argument D. you asked me what these other parts were E. point A was not reading the thread properly which is definitely what you are doing if you think I'm scumreading you for only one thing F. you tunnel on me for not answering a question that you should know the answer to G. you admit there are more points that can make you scum H. i'm clearly right in that there are more points to scumread you as you just admitted
My question is "is the fact that I screamed that line at you still part of your case against me" Yes no
Yes. There is no way you can expect me to know you are town reading me when you are screaming about my behavior like you caught something.
Then you're not making sense
how so?
Tomorrow I said. Preview: It was never part of anything I said against you I'm scumreading you for certain things that I've stated, and you're saying that I'm scumreading for something else, and scumreading me
apparently rels did not hop onto my lynch because rayn's world only consists of what happens at the end ^^ and that's assuming that rels is actually mafia
how should i know why according to rayn view mafia didn't hop onto my lynch? maybe they don't want to be associated with mislynching a town rsoul. they didn't pm me and tell me 'hey rsoul, we didn't jump on your wagon because x'
This is actually one of the reasons that I scum read Rels in my argument with him which he somehow didn't pick up on. He's very less invested in following the people he thinks are scum. He's already questioned me then acceded and went away. Very uncharacteristic of him when he normally tunnels harder than rayn.
Another lie. I did pick it up. I said that I had nothing to comment on because it was true. With me re evaluating rsoultin then leaving work then being unavailable to play until deadline d1, I didn't have time to do that. I will find the post to prove that. Me picking on one inconsistent part of your read is different from me not acknowledging other parts of your read
lol then you definitely know 100% that I'm not just talking about 1 part of my argument with you. Thank you for admitting it.
I have no idea what you are talking anymore. I tried to clarify stuff by asking you a simple question and I didn't understand the answer
ok let me explain this.
A. you highlighted one ambiguous part of my post and said that I was scumreading you for you screaming about my behavior and how you were actually just reading me town. B. I said that it was weird for you to expect me to know you were reading me town when you were screaming. C. I also said that there was obviously more than one part to what I was scumreading you for so I didn't understand how you only got that from our argument D. you asked me what these other parts were E. point A was not reading the thread properly which is definitely what you are doing if you think I'm scumreading you for only one thing F. you tunnel on me for not answering a question that you should know the answer to G. you admit there are more points that can make you scum H. i'm clearly right in that there are more points to scumread you as you just admitted
My question is "is the fact that I screamed that line at you still part of your case against me" Yes no
Yes. There is no way you can expect me to know you are town reading me when you are screaming about my behavior like you caught something.
Then you're not making sense
how so?
Tomorrow I said. Preview: It was never part of anything I said against you I'm scumreading you for certain things that I've stated, and you're saying that I'm scumreading for something else, and scumreading me for that
On October 04 2015 02:30 Rels wrote: [quote] Another lie. I did pick it up. I said that I had nothing to comment on because it was true. With me re evaluating rsoultin then leaving work then being unavailable to play until deadline d1, I didn't have time to do that. I will find the post to prove that. Me picking on one inconsistent part of your read is different from me not acknowledging other parts of your read
lol then you definitely know 100% that I'm not just talking about 1 part of my argument with you. Thank you for admitting it.
I have no idea what you are talking anymore. I tried to clarify stuff by asking you a simple question and I didn't understand the answer
ok let me explain this.
A. you highlighted one ambiguous part of my post and said that I was scumreading you for you screaming about my behavior and how you were actually just reading me town. B. I said that it was weird for you to expect me to know you were reading me town when you were screaming. C. I also said that there was obviously more than one part to what I was scumreading you for so I didn't understand how you only got that from our argument D. you asked me what these other parts were E. point A was not reading the thread properly which is definitely what you are doing if you think I'm scumreading you for only one thing F. you tunnel on me for not answering a question that you should know the answer to G. you admit there are more points that can make you scum H. i'm clearly right in that there are more points to scumread you as you just admitted
My question is "is the fact that I screamed that line at you still part of your case against me" Yes no
Yes. There is no way you can expect me to know you are town reading me when you are screaming about my behavior like you caught something.
Then you're not making sense
how so?
Tomorrow I said. Preview: It was never part of anything I said against you I'm scumreading you for certain things that I've stated, and you're saying that I'm scumreading for something else, and scumreading me for that
cool. I hope you realize this whole thing started because you expected me to read into something that was clearly not obvious.
Yea but town adapt to new informations and update their read. This doesn't make sense: I scumread you for reasons X and Y You think I scumread for reason Z You scumread me partly on the fact that I scumread you for Z
On October 04 2015 04:04 coolTLname wrote: Oh god , rels is scum reading me for the worst reasons. First it was because im a smurf LOL? i think everyone here would laugh at that. and then Im a lurker reader? Do u even know how boring just reading a game is? I admit i have tried it , but barely got past 1 page.
LS seemed pretty relax when i posted earlier about what ppl do for a living , he was like Yeapp i was watching worlds and shit..
GB is super chill
and it would be super sick if SL was mafia but i think i just want that to be true so i wont comment
And the damdred CC is still pretty suspicious, he also just pops in and out while always being present in thread, not sure if thats obvious from just reading his filter.
I'd say Rels damdred and GB
and if rayn is scum then.. not sure GB and damdred?
OK. Even if coolTLname is not a lurker reader, I cannot believe this medic bait can possible comes from town. Especially one who has play a newbie here before
On October 04 2015 05:30 Damdred wrote: I'm pretty damn sure shining is town though.
do you understand what rayn is saying tho dandred? it kind of proves there making up there read on you 100%. This does not say anything about your alignment but listen.
Coolt should know hes town. trefel thinks coolt is town. Yet they both scum read you.
This makes no sense because in that world (where you are mafia) You counterclaim when its town/town wagon. like you would never do this and especially trefel is a good enough player to know this.
On October 04 2015 05:30 Damdred wrote: I'm pretty damn sure shining is town though.
do you understand what rayn is saying tho dandred? it kind of proves there making up there read on you 100%. This does not say anything about your alignment but listen.
Coolt should know hes town. trefel thinks coolt is town. Yet they both scum read you.
This makes no sense because in that world (where you are mafia) You counterclaim when its town/town wagon. like you would never do this and especially trefel is a good enough player to know this.
Trefel is fucking making shit up
I don't understand this
He's saying that I am mafia for saying that Damdred is mafia when he can't possibly be mafia.
Note that this is what he is saying, not what actually happened. Anyone reading ought to be able to figure out what actually happened, which honestly is far more worrisome for me.
Ok but why the rayn bit at the beginning. Whatever I read your damdred scumread as frustration ?
On October 04 2015 05:37 sicklucker wrote: Now we justt gotta find the last one. in a coolt/trefel world a fake claiming dandred makes some sense which is why im curious of dandreds reaction here. but there is many other options
reeeeels
ya acualy its pretty much just rels because everyone else voted coolt ? who did you vote day 1 again
So I was the first to push and vote my teammate, and would have stayed here until the end when I had no way to know damdred would counter claim ? That's stupid
On October 04 2015 05:37 sicklucker wrote: Now we justt gotta find the last one. in a coolt/trefel world a fake claiming dandred makes some sense which is why im curious of dandreds reaction here. but there is many other options
reeeeels
ya acualy its pretty much just rels because everyone else voted coolt ? who did you vote day 1 again
So I was the first to push and vote my teammate, and would have stayed here until the end when I had no way to know damdred would counter claim ? That's stupid
me and rayn were the first to push him. I love how you keep throwing that you were the first to vote him tho
On October 04 2015 06:08 Trfel wrote: I'm starting to doubt my scumread of The Shining
For the reason that I could very well just be being really stupid. I still see his play as being mafia motivated, but it feels like there might be other explanations.
I still think he's a much better lynch than coolTLname.
I guess I'll look into MoosyDoosy and Rels sometime.
Was it his comeback posts that made you feel that way ? Or damdred s read ?
On October 04 2015 06:08 Trfel wrote: I'm starting to doubt my scumread of The Shining
For the reason that I could very well just be being really stupid. I still see his play as being mafia motivated, but it feels like there might be other explanations.
I still think he's a much better lynch than coolTLname.
I guess I'll look into MoosyDoosy and Rels sometime.
Was it his comeback posts that made you feel that way ? Or damdred s read ?
Neither, just a gut feeling.
Mostly caused by the fact that no one at all seems to care, which is generally a sign that I'm being stupid.
Man you would feel better if you didnt have such a low esteem of yourself
Come on people Marv was right GB was right before he became dumb CoolTLname is possibly being bused But he's NOT making this much noise while being bused
On October 04 2015 06:49 rsoultin wrote: well i mean i read cool's post but i have no clue what his point there even is?
it's just a summary of the very beginning of the game o.0
why do you think he's town, rels?
Because he fucking prepared a giant will post for after he s dead
except that's not a will post -_- you didn't even read it did you?
No I didn't read it He expected to be dead and posted this giant thing WHY WOULD NOT LIE LOW IF HE IS BEING BUSED
i've bussed scummates telling them it's up to them because they were going to be lynched anyway, with every intention of switching off if they could convince enough people that it was worth fighting to save them from the noose
On October 04 2015 06:56 Rels wrote: Come on people Marv was right GB was right before he became dumb CoolTLname is possibly being bused But he's NOT making this much noise while being bused
See, Rels?
Remember that argument that I made way back when that you called really stupid?
Do you know what this post looks a whole lot like?
I think it's your fault I have this idea in my head now
On October 04 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote: I'm sorry, I tried to explain that coolTLname was town.
If I were better at this game I would have been able to explain it.
CoolTLname, I'm sorry. I really tried.
I think that no lynch here might be the right play, actually. Let's go with that.
And I think Rels might get a permanent townread because he's the only person in this game that I've actually enjoyed playing with. I'd rather lose to mafia!Rels than lynch him, honestly.
That's the mafia player equivalent to I love you ? <3 No lynch is an option if we have no consensus at deadline
On October 04 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote: I'm sorry, I tried to explain that coolTLname was town.
If I were better at this game I would have been able to explain it.
CoolTLname, I'm sorry. I really tried.
I think that no lynch here might be the right play, actually. Let's go with that.
And I think Rels might get a permanent townread because he's the only person in this game that I've actually enjoyed playing with. I'd rather lose to mafia!Rels than lynch him, honestly.
meh idk
like why is his assumption when a huge post full of fluff gets posted near EoD that the player must be town?
and the switch from trying to lynch GB with me to trying to get ppl to lynch me. lol.
mmm...
Damdred fucked up with that counter claim of his tbh no doubt about it.
On October 04 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote: I'm sorry, I tried to explain that coolTLname was town.
If I were better at this game I would have been able to explain it.
CoolTLname, I'm sorry. I really tried.
I think that no lynch here might be the right play, actually. Let's go with that.
And I think Rels might get a permanent townread because he's the only person in this game that I've actually enjoyed playing with. I'd rather lose to mafia!Rels than lynch him, honestly.
meh idk
like why is his assumption when a huge post full of fluff gets posted near EoD that the player must be town?
and the switch from trying to lynch GB with me to trying to get ppl to lynch me. lol.
mmm...
Damdred fucked up with that counter claim of his tbh no doubt about it.
On October 04 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote: I'm sorry, I tried to explain that coolTLname was town.
If I were better at this game I would have been able to explain it.
CoolTLname, I'm sorry. I really tried.
I think that no lynch here might be the right play, actually. Let's go with that.
And I think Rels might get a permanent townread because he's the only person in this game that I've actually enjoyed playing with. I'd rather lose to mafia!Rels than lynch him, honestly.
meh idk
like why is his assumption when a huge post full of fluff gets posted near EoD that the player must be town?
OK rsoultin please read the following very carefully.
You are a very annoying person to play with
Yesterday I've made a number of things, things that Trfel that you consider confirmed town kinda did as well; and each time, you found a reason mafia!me would do it.
I said I would lynch Shining or Moosy, maybe Shining before Moosy; you thought it was scummy. But when "confirmed town" Trfel says he wants to lynch Shining, he's still town. I thought coolTLname as a bused mafia wouldn't make these giant posts before dying; and you think it was scummy. But when "confirmed town" Trfel fought for people not to lynch coolTLname, he's still town.
Please stop bias confirming every action I make as mafia.
On October 04 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote: I'm sorry, I tried to explain that coolTLname was town.
If I were better at this game I would have been able to explain it.
CoolTLname, I'm sorry. I really tried.
I think that no lynch here might be the right play, actually. Let's go with that.
And I think Rels might get a permanent townread because he's the only person in this game that I've actually enjoyed playing with. I'd rather lose to mafia!Rels than lynch him, honestly.
meh idk
like why is his assumption when a huge post full of fluff gets posted near EoD that the player must be town?
OK rsoultin please read the following very carefully.
You are a very annoying person to play with
Yesterday I've made a number of things, things that Trfel that you consider confirmed town kinda did as well; and each time, you found a reason mafia!me would do it.
I said I would lynch Shining or Moosy, maybe Shining before Moosy; you thought it was scummy. But when "confirmed town" Trfel says he wants to lynch Shining, he's still town. I thought coolTLname as a bused mafia wouldn't make these giant posts before dying; and you think it was scummy. But when "confirmed town" Trfel fought for people not to lynch coolTLname, he's still town.
Please stop bias confirming every action I make as mafia.
the how is more important than the what, rels. i'm not sure about you. that may bother you but it is what it is. the fact of the matter is that to me truffle is all but confirmed town, both in how he's played the entire game and in how the votes fell when we were the two being pushed for lynch d1
that you don't grasp that i didn't see how your evidence for your shining vs. your evidence for moosy resulted in you wanting to lynch shining first, and that you couldn't explain it to me beyond "he's not posting as much" when just a simple look through the database (if you don't believe the rest of us) would show that shining will never post as much as moosy, is blah
it's unworthy of your intelligence
as for the thing with cool...maybe that's something a town player can see in his post, i don't know. the way you reacted seemed unnatural to me, especially for someone who was apparently so certain that cool was mafia. truffle already that cool was town so from him i can see it more, but for you to completely reverse your read based on a giant "will" post that was no more than summarizing things for pages...
i don't get it
maybe you should explain it instead of whining that i'm not treating you equally when you're not equal with truffle
i knew he was town when he posted it again, because for some unknown reason he thought it was important enough to do so when he was definitely dying, but it looked a lot like a substanceless hail mary to me and i have a hard time seeing people who are scumreading him and aren't purely emotional, surface-level intellect players reacting the way you did
sorry if this comes off condescending. i frankly think it's beneath you, though, and i know you're a very rational person because i coached you
OK you're going to have explain very carefully why my lynch order is important when it concerns two people that are not being lynched right now. Especially since I voted Moosy over Shining at deadline, and I was ready to vote for the both of them.
You're wrong about the "active" stuff. Relative to their style, I feel like Shining is much more quiet than Moosy. Not talking about filter length here, but activity.
You're wrong about the coolTLname stuff being too sudden too. I have a post near deadline where I admitted that he was actually not a lurker reader; it was a comment on his that made me think that, when he said "that's bullshit I actually tried to read a game and I didn't even get past 1 page". It's too real to be false. So my scumread on him was lessen by that + Trfel and GB (and marv D1) repeating all day that we were definitely lynching a townie.
On October 04 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote: I'm sorry, I tried to explain that coolTLname was town.
If I were better at this game I would have been able to explain it.
CoolTLname, I'm sorry. I really tried.
I think that no lynch here might be the right play, actually. Let's go with that.
And I think Rels might get a permanent townread because he's the only person in this game that I've actually enjoyed playing with. I'd rather lose to mafia!Rels than lynch him, honestly.
meh idk
like why is his assumption when a huge post full of fluff gets posted near EoD that the player must be town?
OK rsoultin please read the following very carefully.
You are a very annoying person to play with
Yesterday I've made a number of things, things that Trfel that you consider confirmed town kinda did as well; and each time, you found a reason mafia!me would do it.
I said I would lynch Shining or Moosy, maybe Shining before Moosy; you thought it was scummy. But when "confirmed town" Trfel says he wants to lynch Shining, he's still town. I thought coolTLname as a bused mafia wouldn't make these giant posts before dying; and you think it was scummy. But when "confirmed town" Trfel fought for people not to lynch coolTLname, he's still town.
Please stop bias confirming every action I make as mafia.
the how is more important than the what, rels. i'm not sure about you. that may bother you but it is what it is. the fact of the matter is that to me truffle is all but confirmed town, both in how he's played the entire game and in how the votes fell when we were the two being pushed for lynch d1
that you don't grasp that i didn't see how your evidence for your shining vs. your evidence for moosy resulted in you wanting to lynch shining first, and that you couldn't explain it to me beyond "he's not posting as much" when just a simple look through the database (if you don't believe the rest of us) would show that shining will never post as much as moosy, is blah
it's unworthy of your intelligence
as for the thing with cool...maybe that's something a town player can see in his post, i don't know. the way you reacted seemed unnatural to me, especially for someone who was apparently so certain that cool was mafia. truffle already that cool was town so from him i can see it more, but for you to completely reverse your read based on a giant "will" post that was no more than summarizing things for pages...
i don't get it
maybe you should explain it instead of whining that i'm not treating you equally when you're not equal with truffle
i knew he was town when he posted it again, because for some unknown reason he thought it was important enough to do so when he was definitely dying, but it looked a lot like a substanceless hail mary to me and i have a hard time seeing people who are scumreading him and aren't purely emotional, surface-level intellect players reacting the way you did
sorry if this comes off condescending. i frankly think it's beneath you, though, and i know you're a very rational person because i coached you
OK you're going to have explain very carefully why my lynch order is important when it concerns two people that are not being lynched right now. Especially since I voted Moosy over Shining at deadline, and I was ready to vote for the both of them.
You're wrong about the "active" stuff. Relative to their style, I feel like Shining is much more quiet than Moosy. Not talking about filter length here, but activity.
You're wrong about the coolTLname stuff being too sudden too. I have a post near deadline where I admitted that he was actually not a lurker reader; it was a comment on his that made me think that, when he said "that's bullshit I actually tried to read a game and I didn't even get past 1 page". It's too real to be false. So my scumread on him was lessen by that + Trfel and GB (and marv D1) repeating all day that we were definitely lynching a townie.
So what do you think of Trfel and GB continuously repeating that?
Definitely town for Trfel. Town points for GB BUT I have no idea why GB acted like that at deadline: - giving up on pushing Shining over coolTLname, voted coolTLname and saying at the same time he was town: understandable. No way this was a fucking plan, and I have no idea why he felt the need to explain it that way - saying all day coolTLname's lynch was on a townie, then not willing to switch with Trfel and I
On October 05 2015 01:31 MoosyDoosy wrote: Rels, I have a question. After rsoultin's explanation about her read switch on marv, did you read her as town or confirmed scum?
Maybe town. The explanation erased my reason to scumread her.
On October 04 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote: Meh we are definitely hitting a townie
Whatever
I don't think so
On October 04 2015 06:20 Rels wrote:
On October 04 2015 06:18 Damdred wrote: What changed gbs mind from hard scum reading cool to town reading him
The fact that everybody is OK lynching him, and that a bus for two days is unlikely
And u think a bus for two days is likely? A bus day 1 as well?
No I think it's unlikely. Actually that's why I switched yesterday. But my scumread on you is stronger than this idea now.
-sighs- you know tbh rels i kind of had been hoping i was wrong when i went back to look
but this was your last post about cool before he posted the wall. clearly you reacted to his post and you're misrepresenting your play now, and while inconsistency is not something exclusive to mafia players, when describing your own read progression and thought process i find it very hard to believe you don't remember that his post was what made you think he was town ><
why does gb get "town points" for saying that cool was town when he's openly admitted that he believed no such thing?
either his cool is town gambit was really a reaction test gambit and he never believed cool was town, and decided not to take into account that a wagon didn't build when he gave people the opportunity to switch
or he's lying about doing a reaction test at all, meant the "cool is town" thing, then went right back to voting him and trying to keep the lynch on him
On October 04 2015 04:04 coolTLname wrote: Oh god , rels is scum reading me for the worst reasons. First it was because im a smurf LOL? i think everyone here would laugh at that. and then Im a lurker reader? Do u even know how boring just reading a game is? I admit i have tried it , but barely got past 1 page.
LS seemed pretty relax when i posted earlier about what ppl do for a living , he was like Yeapp i was watching worlds and shit..
GB is super chill
and it would be super sick if SL was mafia but i think i just want that to be true so i wont comment
And the damdred CC is still pretty suspicious, he also just pops in and out while always being present in thread, not sure if thats obvious from just reading his filter.
I'd say Rels damdred and GB
and if rayn is scum then.. not sure GB and damdred?
OK. Even if coolTLname is not a lurker reader, I cannot believe this medic bait can possible comes from town. Especially one who has play a newbie here before
GB gets town points because one of the only things he did yesterday was try to push a switch on Shining, who I think he's town. There is no way GB is scum with Shining.
On October 04 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote: Meh we are definitely hitting a townie
Whatever
I don't think so
On October 04 2015 06:20 Rels wrote:
On October 04 2015 06:18 Damdred wrote: What changed gbs mind from hard scum reading cool to town reading him
The fact that everybody is OK lynching him, and that a bus for two days is unlikely
And u think a bus for two days is likely? A bus day 1 as well?
No I think it's unlikely. Actually that's why I switched yesterday. But my scumread on you is stronger than this idea now.
-sighs- you know tbh rels i kind of had been hoping i was wrong when i went back to look
but this was your last post about cool before he posted the wall. clearly you reacted to his post and you're misrepresenting your play now, and while inconsistency is not something exclusive to mafia players, when describing your own read progression and thought process i find it very hard to believe you don't remember that his post was what made you think he was town ><
wow you found a post, went "haha I found a slip!", and posted this "I'm so sad to be right but here it is" without even trying to look for the post I was talking about
On October 04 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote: Meh we are definitely hitting a townie
Whatever
I don't think so
On October 04 2015 06:20 Rels wrote:
On October 04 2015 06:18 Damdred wrote: What changed gbs mind from hard scum reading cool to town reading him
The fact that everybody is OK lynching him, and that a bus for two days is unlikely
And u think a bus for two days is likely? A bus day 1 as well?
No I think it's unlikely. Actually that's why I switched yesterday. But my scumread on you is stronger than this idea now.
-sighs- you know tbh rels i kind of had been hoping i was wrong when i went back to look
but this was your last post about cool before he posted the wall. clearly you reacted to his post and you're misrepresenting your play now, and while inconsistency is not something exclusive to mafia players, when describing your own read progression and thought process i find it very hard to believe you don't remember that his post was what made you think he was town ><
why does gb get "town points" for saying that cool was town when he's openly admitted that he believed no such thing?
either his cool is town gambit was really a reaction test gambit and he never believed cool was town, and decided not to take into account that a wagon didn't build when he gave people the opportunity to switch
or he's lying about doing a reaction test at all, meant the "cool is town" thing, then went right back to voting him and trying to keep the lynch on him
where are these town points you're talking about?
I was talking about this post:
On October 04 2015 05:37 Rels wrote:
On October 04 2015 04:04 coolTLname wrote: Oh god , rels is scum reading me for the worst reasons. First it was because im a smurf LOL? i think everyone here would laugh at that. and then Im a lurker reader? Do u even know how boring just reading a game is? I admit i have tried it , but barely got past 1 page.
LS seemed pretty relax when i posted earlier about what ppl do for a living , he was like Yeapp i was watching worlds and shit..
GB is super chill
and it would be super sick if SL was mafia but i think i just want that to be true so i wont comment
And the damdred CC is still pretty suspicious, he also just pops in and out while always being present in thread, not sure if thats obvious from just reading his filter.
I'd say Rels damdred and GB
and if rayn is scum then.. not sure GB and damdred?
OK. Even if coolTLname is not a lurker reader, I cannot believe this medic bait can possible comes from town. Especially one who has play a newbie here before
that's a strong scumread and you already said in the post that i quoted that the bussing d1 and marv's opinion weren't enough and you still thought he was scum
"lessened" or not, you were not discussing other lynches despite having scumreads, and you still reacted oddly to a large post of nothing
i could understand it if cool posted an actual will, but he didn't
Whatever I explained my thought process. If you don't believe it nothing I can do. I discussed other lynches, and I was willing to switch to either of them. And if you and others had followed, we wouldn't have lynched coolTLname. Actually what you just described is similar to something you did that is suspicious; willing to lynch Moosy or I, willing to mount one against the other, but not willing to switch at deadline when your hard townread did. You were willing to switch to GB but not to Moosy.
On October 05 2015 01:38 Rels wrote: GB gets town points because one of the only things he did yesterday was try to push a switch on Shining, who I think he's town. There is no way GB is scum with Shining.
a reaction test he never intended to follow through on or he's lying about the reaction test
try again
Wow wait wait wait wait. Did he say his whole "I'll follow you Trfel on pushing Shining" was a huge reaction test ? I understood that the "I don't think coolTLname is mafia but I'll vote him anyway" was the reaction test. There is nooooooooooo town points if there Shining push was just a test.
On October 05 2015 01:38 Rels wrote: GB gets town points because one of the only things he did yesterday was try to push a switch on Shining, who I think he's town. There is no way GB is scum with Shining.
a reaction test he never intended to follow through on or he's lying about the reaction test
try again
Wow wait wait wait wait. Did he say his whole "I'll follow you Trfel on pushing Shining" was a huge reaction test ? I understood that the "I don't think coolTLname is mafia but I'll vote him anyway" was the reaction test. There is nooooooooooo town points if there Shining push was just a test.
and actually that could indicate he's partner with Shining, preparing a bus for next day What did he say to make you think that ? Cause I thought he was talking about the "coolTLname is town but I vote him" post
On October 05 2015 01:38 Rels wrote: GB gets town points because one of the only things he did yesterday was try to push a switch on Shining, who I think he's town. There is no way GB is scum with Shining.
a reaction test he never intended to follow through on or he's lying about the reaction test
try again
Wow wait wait wait wait. Did he say his whole "I'll follow you Trfel on pushing Shining" was a huge reaction test ? I understood that the "I don't think coolTLname is mafia but I'll vote him anyway" was the reaction test. There is nooooooooooo town points if there Shining push was just a test.
and actually that could indicate he's partner with Shining, preparing a bus for next day What did he say to make you think that ? Cause I thought he was talking about the "coolTLname is town but I vote him" post
oh i don't know maybe just the part about he was never going to lynch anyone but cool, or the part where he was screaming at people to stay on cool
you know
those amazingly beautiful contextual things that make it obvious what he's referring to
yeah I find it weird he was like that when he was like "coolTLname is town" all day but I really thought the whole "I'll push Shining with you Trfel" was real
On October 04 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote: Meh we are definitely hitting a townie
Whatever
I don't think so
On October 04 2015 06:20 Rels wrote:
On October 04 2015 06:18 Damdred wrote: What changed gbs mind from hard scum reading cool to town reading him
The fact that everybody is OK lynching him, and that a bus for two days is unlikely
And u think a bus for two days is likely? A bus day 1 as well?
No I think it's unlikely. Actually that's why I switched yesterday. But my scumread on you is stronger than this idea now.
-sighs- you know tbh rels i kind of had been hoping i was wrong when i went back to look
but this was your last post about cool before he posted the wall. clearly you reacted to his post and you're misrepresenting your play now, and while inconsistency is not something exclusive to mafia players, when describing your own read progression and thought process i find it very hard to believe you don't remember that his post was what made you think he was town ><
why does gb get "town points" for saying that cool was town when he's openly admitted that he believed no such thing?
either his cool is town gambit was really a reaction test gambit and he never believed cool was town, and decided not to take into account that a wagon didn't build when he gave people the opportunity to switch
or he's lying about doing a reaction test at all, meant the "cool is town" thing, then went right back to voting him and trying to keep the lynch on him
where are these town points you're talking about?
I was talking about this post:
On October 04 2015 05:37 Rels wrote:
On October 04 2015 04:04 coolTLname wrote: Oh god , rels is scum reading me for the worst reasons. First it was because im a smurf LOL? i think everyone here would laugh at that. and then Im a lurker reader? Do u even know how boring just reading a game is? I admit i have tried it , but barely got past 1 page.
LS seemed pretty relax when i posted earlier about what ppl do for a living , he was like Yeapp i was watching worlds and shit..
GB is super chill
and it would be super sick if SL was mafia but i think i just want that to be true so i wont comment
And the damdred CC is still pretty suspicious, he also just pops in and out while always being present in thread, not sure if thats obvious from just reading his filter.
I'd say Rels damdred and GB
and if rayn is scum then.. not sure GB and damdred?
OK. Even if coolTLname is not a lurker reader, I cannot believe this medic bait can possible comes from town. Especially one who has play a newbie here before
that's a strong scumread and you already said in the post that i quoted that the bussing d1 and marv's opinion weren't enough and you still thought he was scum
"lessened" or not, you were not discussing other lynches despite having scumreads, and you still reacted oddly to a large post of nothing
i could understand it if cool posted an actual will, but he didn't
Whatever I explained my thought process. If you don't believe it nothing I can do. I discussed other lynches, and I was willing to switch to either of them. And if you and others had followed, we wouldn't have lynched coolTLname. Actually what you just described is similar to something you did that is suspicious; willing to lynch Moosy or I, willing to mount one against the other, but not willing to switch at deadline when your hard townread did. You were willing to switch to GB but not to Moosy.
i didn't switch to gb, either. i was trying to figure out what he was doing, and i was the only one really doing that and not reacting like a jumping bean, btw
And BTW I found it was super obvious he was like "fuck nobody wants to lynch Shining I guess I'll default to coolTLname", so I don't know what was scummy about that What was scummy was him proclaiming it was a plan
On October 05 2015 01:53 rsoultin wrote: so now your story is that scum with a mislynch set on cool are gonna buss each other for lolz to set up a reaction test
Yes of course GB's push if it was real definitely means he's town if Shining is mafia, as he had NO way to know people wouldn't all agree and switch to Shining, especially with Trfel, rayn and I bringing up points against him GB's push if it was a reaction test and he never meant to lynch Shining doesn't mean shit about his alignement
On October 05 2015 01:53 rsoultin wrote: so now your story is that scum with a mislynch set on cool are gonna buss each other for lolz to set up a reaction test
Yes of course GB's push if it was real definitely means he's town if Shining is mafia, as he had NO way to know people wouldn't all agree and switch to Shining, especially with Trfel, rayn and I bringing up points against him GB's push if it was a reaction test and he never meant to lynch Shining doesn't mean shit about his alignement
this is why even as a reaction test the likelihood that they're scum together is practically nill
Mm that's true That explains all the weird things I found about him at EOD Cool (=
I don't know why I'm talking to you. Each time I come with a proof of what I think you find a scum explanation for what I could have been thinking instead.
you really are super frustrating to play with p: Like here, until 2 minutes ago, I thought his Shining push was real, and the reaction test was the "I think he's town but I voted him anyway" part. When I realized I've been fooled, I immediately thought he could be mafia, until you made me realize it doesn't matter if it was a reaction test or not. Why are you even doubting the fact that I thought the Shining push was genuine ? Why do you have this need of looking for scum motivation on everything I do ? And how the fuck would me lying about the fact I thought GB was not reaction testing when he pushed Shining is scum indicative ?
On October 05 2015 02:06 rsoultin wrote: nope, it's really not
okay, rels ^^
i will concede that there is a remote possibility that in reading all the posts where GB said that he never had any intention of lynching anyone but cool, and screaming for people to keep lynching cool in big bold letters when y'all were switching to shining
was somehow lost upon you
And how is the fact that: - I thought it was a genuine push - So I said it was weird he was not willing to switch at deadline is not making sense ? Like you can be annoying and doubt the first one like you're doing now. Where is the scum motivation ? The fact that he screamed in big bold letters is what I found weird about him yesterday, since I believed the first assumption.
On October 05 2015 02:07 Rels wrote: you really are super frustrating to play with p: Like here, until 2 minutes ago, I thought his Shining push was real, and the reaction test was the "I think he's town but I voted him anyway" part. When I realized I've been fooled, I immediately thought he could be mafia, until you made me realize it doesn't matter if it was a reaction test or not. Why are you even doubting the fact that I thought the Shining push was genuine ? Why do you have this need of looking for scum motivation on everything I do ? And how the fuck would me lying about the fact I thought GB was not reaction testing when he pushed Shining is scum indicative ?
i looked to find indications that you had been in fact wavering on your cool scumread before that post. there were none. you said there were
case closed
you see, rels, gb's play shouldn't be townie to you. first you say he's town because of townreading cool (which is bullocks anyway because scum can townread town, but we'll ignore that for now), and now you say he's town because of putting his vote on shining
all that his vote on shining indicates is that they couldn't be scum together
it doesn't make gb town, and in fact the quotes you just quoted are very odd for a supposed reaction test, aren't they? you accuse me of being biased, but you don't question gb's questionable behavior because you're determined to call shining scum
1 - exactly. They can't be scum together. And since I think Shining is scum, I think GB is town. 2 - I POINTED EXACTLY THAT IN THE POST THAT STARTED IT
On October 04 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote: I'm sorry, I tried to explain that coolTLname was town.
If I were better at this game I would have been able to explain it.
CoolTLname, I'm sorry. I really tried.
I think that no lynch here might be the right play, actually. Let's go with that.
And I think Rels might get a permanent townread because he's the only person in this game that I've actually enjoyed playing with. I'd rather lose to mafia!Rels than lynch him, honestly.
meh idk
like why is his assumption when a huge post full of fluff gets posted near EoD that the player must be town?
OK rsoultin please read the following very carefully.
You are a very annoying person to play with
Yesterday I've made a number of things, things that Trfel that you consider confirmed town kinda did as well; and each time, you found a reason mafia!me would do it.
I said I would lynch Shining or Moosy, maybe Shining before Moosy; you thought it was scummy. But when "confirmed town" Trfel says he wants to lynch Shining, he's still town. I thought coolTLname as a bused mafia wouldn't make these giant posts before dying; and you think it was scummy. But when "confirmed town" Trfel fought for people not to lynch coolTLname, he's still town.
Please stop bias confirming every action I make as mafia.
the how is more important than the what, rels. i'm not sure about you. that may bother you but it is what it is. the fact of the matter is that to me truffle is all but confirmed town, both in how he's played the entire game and in how the votes fell when we were the two being pushed for lynch d1
that you don't grasp that i didn't see how your evidence for your shining vs. your evidence for moosy resulted in you wanting to lynch shining first, and that you couldn't explain it to me beyond "he's not posting as much" when just a simple look through the database (if you don't believe the rest of us) would show that shining will never post as much as moosy, is blah
it's unworthy of your intelligence
as for the thing with cool...maybe that's something a town player can see in his post, i don't know. the way you reacted seemed unnatural to me, especially for someone who was apparently so certain that cool was mafia. truffle already that cool was town so from him i can see it more, but for you to completely reverse your read based on a giant "will" post that was no more than summarizing things for pages...
i don't get it
maybe you should explain it instead of whining that i'm not treating you equally when you're not equal with truffle
i knew he was town when he posted it again, because for some unknown reason he thought it was important enough to do so when he was definitely dying, but it looked a lot like a substanceless hail mary to me and i have a hard time seeing people who are scumreading him and aren't purely emotional, surface-level intellect players reacting the way you did
sorry if this comes off condescending. i frankly think it's beneath you, though, and i know you're a very rational person because i coached you
OK you're going to have explain very carefully why my lynch order is important when it concerns two people that are not being lynched right now. Especially since I voted Moosy over Shining at deadline, and I was ready to vote for the both of them.
You're wrong about the "active" stuff. Relative to their style, I feel like Shining is much more quiet than Moosy. Not talking about filter length here, but activity.
You're wrong about the coolTLname stuff being too sudden too. I have a post near deadline where I admitted that he was actually not a lurker reader; it was a comment on his that made me think that, when he said "that's bullshit I actually tried to read a game and I didn't even get past 1 page". It's too real to be false. So my scumread on him was lessen by that + Trfel and GB (and marv D1) repeating all day that we were definitely lynching a townie.
So what do you think of Trfel and GB continuously repeating that?
Definitely town for Trfel. Town points for GB BUT I have no idea why GB acted like that at deadline: - giving up on pushing Shining over coolTLname, voted coolTLname and saying at the same time he was town: understandable. No way this was a fucking plan, and I have no idea why he felt the need to explain it that way - saying all day coolTLname's lynch was on a townie, then not willing to switch with Trfel and I
So I think he's town because of 1; so I found weird all this big bold letter scumreading coolTLname.
Are you fucking serious you are now saying I should find this "GB is hard scumreading coolTLname at deadline" suspicious When I fucking did ??? I think he's town 'cause he cannot be together with Shining But I noted what I found weird about his attitude What is your fucking point anymore ??????
On October 05 2015 02:07 Rels wrote: you really are super frustrating to play with p: Like here, until 2 minutes ago, I thought his Shining push was real, and the reaction test was the "I think he's town but I voted him anyway" part. When I realized I've been fooled, I immediately thought he could be mafia, until you made me realize it doesn't matter if it was a reaction test or not. Why are you even doubting the fact that I thought the Shining push was genuine ? Why do you have this need of looking for scum motivation on everything I do ? And how the fuck would me lying about the fact I thought GB was not reaction testing when he pushed Shining is scum indicative ?
i looked to find indications that you had been in fact wavering on your cool scumread before that post. there were none. you said there were
case closed
OK believe what you want. My scumread on him was based on the fact that he couldn't have done that medic bait post as town. Why this attitude was so bad was: - he's a lurker reader, so he should know it's useless - even he's a real newbie, I don't see how he could think that is a good idea If you don't see how me admitting the first assumption is false ... well, you're frustrating.
On October 05 2015 02:06 rsoultin wrote: nope, it's really not
okay, rels ^^
i will concede that there is a remote possibility that in reading all the posts where GB said that he never had any intention of lynching anyone but cool, and screaming for people to keep lynching cool in big bold letters when y'all were switching to shining
was somehow lost upon you
And how is the fact that: - I thought it was a genuine push - So I said it was weird he was not willing to switch at deadline is not making sense ? Like you can be annoying and doubt the first one like you're doing now. Where is the scum motivation ? The fact that he screamed in big bold letters is what I found weird about him yesterday, since I believed the first assumption.
i've explained what i find scummy about you already; you just misrepresented your mindset preceding cool's so-called "will" and your townread on gb is very questionable. in order for me to believe what you're saying here, i have to believe that you're not being analytical not only just in the moment, but also well after the fact. take it as a compliment that i find that as doubtful as i do
there's a very simple associative scum motivation for all this but i'm not going into that right now
I'm not analytic because I thought it the "coolTLname is town but I vote him" thing was the reaction plan instead of the whole thing ? Well whatever. Either you think I'm lying and you find a proof; or you think I tell the truth and you explain how me missing that the Shining push was the plan is scum motivated.
On October 04 2015 05:37 sicklucker wrote: Now we justt gotta find the last one. in a coolt/trefel world a fake claiming dandred makes some sense which is why im curious of dandreds reaction here. but there is many other options
reeeeels
ya acualy its pretty much just rels because everyone else voted coolt ? who did you vote day 1 again
So I was the first to push and vote my teammate, and would have stayed here until the end when I had no way to know damdred would counter claim ? That's stupid
me and rayn were the first to push him. I love how you keep throwing that you were the first to vote him tho
Don't remember that, added to the to check pile
OK sicklucker when I said I was the first to push coolTLname, you said rayn and you were the first to push him.
On October 04 2015 05:37 sicklucker wrote: Now we justt gotta find the last one. in a coolt/trefel world a fake claiming dandred makes some sense which is why im curious of dandreds reaction here. but there is many other options
reeeeels
ya acualy its pretty much just rels because everyone else voted coolt ? who did you vote day 1 again
So I was the first to push and vote my teammate, and would have stayed here until the end when I had no way to know damdred would counter claim ? That's stupid
me and rayn were the first to push him. I love how you keep throwing that you were the first to vote him tho
Don't remember that, added to the to check pile
afaik i did never push coolTLname on D1.
The first post about your read on coolTLname was this one:
On September 30 2015 11:14 sicklucker wrote: and this cool guy so far has openly role hunted and claims to read me after 1 game that im pretty sure never happened (i never played with this guy before) And you want to talk about me as trefel? I remember when everyone thought you were the second coming of jesus
My post about coolTLname is 14 hours earlier:
On September 29 2015 21:21 Rels wrote: This first post by coolTLname is super scummy. It is his first post, and he talks about a lot of differents subjects. A first post with different subjects is scum indicative as mafia usually has a hard time entering the thread. Plus, I don't know how GB's posts being mechanical and rayn's posts being mechanical are mixed up. Plus, he agrees on a Moosy's posts that I don't understand. Plus, he next post is scummy too:
On September 29 2015 16:47 coolTLname wrote: So i noticed mafia can hold their KP, this makes claiming Roleblock and framing someone possible, as well as fake vet claims. Anyway i propose anyone who claims a blue role to be lynched automatically, if there is no kill , better to leave it in the dark?
Can medics heal themselves?
Two useless questions. After that he posted one more time and gtfo.
So you were not to push on coolTLname. Can you point me to the post that made you think rayn was joining your push on coolTLname ?
On October 05 2015 06:17 Rels wrote: impatient boy
Not impatient. Just practical. 1 hr is enough time for you to give thoughts and answer questions. As it is, we're running out of time and if you die and I'm Mafia, what will you do? (;
On October 04 2015 05:37 sicklucker wrote: Now we justt gotta find the last one. in a coolt/trefel world a fake claiming dandred makes some sense which is why im curious of dandreds reaction here. but there is many other options
reeeeels
ya acualy its pretty much just rels because everyone else voted coolt ? who did you vote day 1 again
So I was the first to push and vote my teammate, and would have stayed here until the end when I had no way to know damdred would counter claim ? That's stupid
me and rayn were the first to push him. I love how you keep throwing that you were the first to vote him tho
Don't remember that, added to the to check pile
OK sicklucker when I said I was the first to push coolTLname, you said rayn and you were the first to push him.
On October 04 2015 05:37 sicklucker wrote: Now we justt gotta find the last one. in a coolt/trefel world a fake claiming dandred makes some sense which is why im curious of dandreds reaction here. but there is many other options
reeeeels
ya acualy its pretty much just rels because everyone else voted coolt ? who did you vote day 1 again
So I was the first to push and vote my teammate, and would have stayed here until the end when I had no way to know damdred would counter claim ? That's stupid
me and rayn were the first to push him. I love how you keep throwing that you were the first to vote him tho
Don't remember that, added to the to check pile
afaik i did never push coolTLname on D1.
The first post about your read on coolTLname was this one:
On September 30 2015 11:14 sicklucker wrote: and this cool guy so far has openly role hunted and claims to read me after 1 game that im pretty sure never happened (i never played with this guy before) And you want to talk about me as trefel? I remember when everyone thought you were the second coming of jesus
On September 29 2015 21:21 Rels wrote: This first post by coolTLname is super scummy. It is his first post, and he talks about a lot of differents subjects. A first post with different subjects is scum indicative as mafia usually has a hard time entering the thread. Plus, I don't know how GB's posts being mechanical and rayn's posts being mechanical are mixed up. Plus, he agrees on a Moosy's posts that I don't understand. Plus, he next post is scummy too:
On September 29 2015 16:47 coolTLname wrote: So i noticed mafia can hold their KP, this makes claiming Roleblock and framing someone possible, as well as fake vet claims. Anyway i propose anyone who claims a blue role to be lynched automatically, if there is no kill , better to leave it in the dark?
Can medics heal themselves?
Two useless questions. After that he posted one more time and gtfo.
So you were not to push on coolTLname. Can you point me to the post that made you think rayn was joining your push on coolTLname ?
On October 05 2015 06:17 Rels wrote: impatient boy
Not impatient. Just practical. 1 hr is enough time for you to give thoughts and answer questions. As it is, we're running out of time and if you die and I'm Mafia, what will you do? (;
Yeah, since he's mafia, that would be really bad, right?
What if he posts his thoughts really really late in the night and then night kills you so you can't defend yourself? That would be devastating.
On October 05 2015 06:28 sicklucker wrote: i doubt you pushed him before his first post rels. because you would have had to do that to beat me to the cake
First, we will probably be 5v3 tomorrow IE triple LYLO. At LYLO, you have to re evaluate your reads, cause one mislynch and its over. We don't want a scum to sit passively because he is townread by a majority of town. In light of this, I ask everybody the following: Reread everybody s filter tomorrow and focus on your hard reads first. If you don't have the time, 6 is the bare minimum, as you will be assured to read at least one mafia filter.
I will do that. In case I die though, here are my current reads:
The Shining is probably mafia. My filter analysis and Trfel s case are in spoiler. + Show Spoiler +
On October 03 2015 17:37 Rels wrote: OK Shining's filter at first glance seems OK. But:
1. he is focusing a lot of his posts on coolTLname, who is arleady voted by most of the town.
On September 30 2015 09:57 The Shining wrote: [...] Idk what to think about SL either but I do know as games go on, it becomes blatantly obvious whether he is scum or not. Moosy and Trfel are question marks for me that I won't give a read on until I'm done filter diving them.
Starting with this post, Shinig started filter diving and questioning Moosy about stuff. His read on Moosy became more and more on the scum side, culminating in these posts EON1 / start of D2:
coolnamedude is mafia. rsoultin is mafia. LighntningStrike is mafia
in that order of confidence.
MoosyDoosy could be mafia if one of them magically happens to flip town.
I literally do not believe there is any chance for anyone else in this game to be mafia.
I believe in cool. I need to revisit the RSo cases but your last summary post of her actions are starting to make me wonder, if its all true. This wouldn't be the first time I hard towned scum RSo =/ but her play that game was different. LS is questionable/bad town at best, scum at worst but I still live in a world where both him and cool can't be scum. =/ LS sheeped onto cool and idk if he's confident enough as scum to bus D1.
And yeah Moosy is/should be on that list, too, if LS or cool were to flip town.
On October 02 2015 05:29 The Shining wrote: [quote]
Hrm this is true. And although I started being suspicious of cool pretty early over the Marv non-read, I was actually the last to vote him. I wasn't even really pushing cool, I was still questioning him before I caught his chainsaw RSo defense.
Sigh I guess I'll respond to this too. It doesn't make a difference. Rels and GB's votes didn't do much to start the wagon. It was only after you and me voted for coolTL that the wagon actually started.
Tonight, I will be banning coolTLname permanently for providing us with atrocious whiskey. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The spirits recall list is here. Only votes on this list will be counted.
Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill.
But I was the last vote on that train...you were 3rd...neither of us started that train...why are you lying/misrepresenting?
Moosy pls
Okay so I made a mistake to not see people were voting for coolTL other than me. I was just super excited that we both drew the exact same conclusion at the exact same time which is why I gave us all the credit. Either way, the coolTL wagon only became a real thing when we voted for coolTL and said he had TMI to make scott move over and make even rayn unvote to have doubts.
Yeaaaaa...I kind of thought the same but with the sequence of events and the other votes on cool, it felt like a pocket attempt while subscribing to my train of thought. Here's why:
On October 01 2015 05:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: ##unvote ##vote coolTLname
This is scum with TMI about rsoul.
This post came 2 minutes after this post of mine:
On October 01 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:16 rsoultin wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:12 The Shining wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:06 coolTLname wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:03 The Shining wrote: [quote]
If I'm understanding this right, marv is pushing your townread super hard for lynch. How is his alignment not relevant?
Why would you say you're going to do something and then not do it? And then do the same thing with rso past games instead? I don't understand this
how is saying he is mafia or town going to change his vote? i have better things to do such as defend rsoultin directly or accuse the glowing bear/ rayn and possibly sicklucker one of whom have 3 votes on.
Well you indirectly said depending on his past games he could be scum. Then you stopped caring about it. That's a lack of scumhunting to me, when you have a suspicion or pinion on someone and do absolutely nothing about it but instead start defending a townread. Looks like you're more concerned with pocketing rso than you are in finding scum.
Let me check yur filter becuz i would like to know why you're voting GB. Or you could save me the trouble and tell me.
this went through my mind
but where i get hung up on it really is what good does it do him if either of us are lynched?
pocketing me means nothing if i'm not here and obviously it means nothing if he's lynched. i guess he could just not have meant it when he said to lynch him instead of me but...blah ><
i still think this isn't gb's town game
all this is going on and he's lurking around telling truffle here's a kit kat
I just dont get why hes chainsaw defending you. If i am to believe he is newb town, i dont see how he could be this sure of a townread. Like i made the mistake as a newb of letting HtS filter size alone fool me in my first game here but even then i wasnt chainsaw defending ANY of my TRs. It looks really weird. And the saying hed look into marv later when it was HIS idea in the first place is rubbing me the wrong way.
Dont get me wrong, you were and still are in my town pile but for different reasons, not just filter length. I remember in the scum game i lost to you and your bro, i forget the game, you were way less standoffish and adamant about your trains of thought. You were more aloof and carefree that game, with a bit of trouble finding scumreads and latching onto easy mislynches. Marv is not an easy lynch, mislynch or not, so i dont think scumRso does that here.
Just enough time to read this post and make your short post after my prompting because I was already on the track to thinking cool had TMI. That was also your first post in 2 hours but you don't mention anything else and just latch onto the coolTLname TMI case.
...
...? because I was busy and literally thought of coolTLname, logged in, voted him, thought of reasoning, quoted it onto rayn's post then left
Wait so you voted him to get on the wagon and THEN thought of reasoning for it? What??
This response to a pocketing accusation is soooo bad. You tried to buddy me twice saying we got the train on cool going then when I ask about it being a pocket, you slip and admit you voted without reasoning.
Am I wrong here? Cuz if not I wanna lynch Moosy, this is bad.
But then he threw all this progression away just there:
On October 02 2015 14:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Trfel which one of us do you believe is right?
Did Trfel ever answer this? All I saw was him saying he thought cool was town and that their talk was getting nowhere. After saying he'd lynch cool because even if he's town because he's not helpful to town. That's a weird progression and considering I think rayn is town and cool is scum, it seems pretty weird to not take a side here or even analyze what the arguments they had against each other were.
Questions about Trfel to rayn.
On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote: Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V?
On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote: Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V?
yeah, his push on ls was horrid and wasn't something he'd ever say as town, essentially
I thought it was him snap voting geript at the start of the game for some bull about a self imposed 10 post limit per phase before weirdly backing off of it.
The reason I'm asking is because although he claims it was a joke, he did go out of his way to put it into the voting thread and was looking for reactions. He's your top suspicion right now so I'm wondering if you see any similarities between that game and this one.
Finally explaining why he is suspecting him.
On October 03 2015 11:43 The Shining wrote: OK thank you. I was just revisiting that because I said I'd filter him a while ago and I'm finally getting around to it.
That second post is a pretty interesting point but I'm not sure it makes him scum if he's the dolt you say he is lol. But the alternating between jokes and srs reads is shifty, I agree, although Rels also called him out for that and he addressed it here so I don't want to look too much into that.
On September 29 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote: btw truffle nope ^^ i only skimmed it cause yawn lol you can keep your shitty vote
Hm, I kind of actually think you are mafia now.....
But I can't decide if I should push or wait.....
@Trfel is this a serious post if it is I find super weird the fact that most posts before and after this one are funny posts
OK after I finish catching up I'll do a Trfel's filter dive to check if my feeling is right. But I definitely have the feeling there is a contradiction in tone progression in Trfel's posts, something like funny => one serious => funny => one serious => funny
If you think that me alternating between being serious or funny is a sign that I am mafia, then I have no more words for you. To be honest, depending on how that's applied, it's probably the easiest way to read me.
Since apparently I wasn't clear:
I started out by voting rsoultin as a joke. Then I started being a bit suspicious of rsoultin, but not enough that I wanted to actually push it (at least until I reread things). Before I was able to reread things, rsoultin made some posts that were contrary to the assumptions I had made for some of my suspicions of her, and then I realized a few flaws in my suspicions. So I wasn't very suspicious of her any more).
Clear enough?
He also has posts where he talks himself in and out of points that he'd scum you for but then calls you scum after. There's also a lot of moments where he blatantly admits he wasn't reading the thread. I'm not sure if I think scumTrfel would put these things into the thread to be picked at if he was scum, unless he's just yoloing this game and trying new things.
Then dropping it I think ? The last sentence indicated he now believes Trfel is town ? It is super unclear.
4. A few excuses to him not playing the game (even if the cops' situation is probably true =X): + Show Spoiler +
On September 30 2015 07:25 The Shining wrote: Hi guys. I'm here, kinda. I have a ridiculous amount to catch up on so I prob won't be actively posting for a few hrs. I was at my college admissions office basically all day and I rarely get online Monday/Tuesday, anyway, so I apologize for not being around.
On October 01 2015 04:12 The Shining wrote: Mobile posting. Just got to work and it's a fucking shitfest. Our computer system and Internet is down so I've got a little under 3 hrs before eod to manually log in a bunch of packages on an ipad and catch up on this game on my phone, because no tablet wifi. I will be here but in limited quantities.
I'm not happy =/
On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote: Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V?
So maybe Shining is scum. But that would mean he bused coolTLname D1, which is weird.
On October 04 2015 04:04 Trfel wrote: The Shining
Please note:
This case got quite long as I was writing it. Due to the length of the case, all of the embedded quotes and TL code, and the time of day, I'm not going to go back through and remove the self-notes that I left in the case.
The Shining did start looking into my (Trfel's) alignment mid Day 2, and that looks very good for him. However, I would have expected this to happen much sooner. Some of my later points referring to this should possibly be dismissed, though the earlier ones are still valid.
The Shining did follow up with his "on the fence" read on MoosyDoosy, just far later than I would have expected.
The Case
As town, The Shining generally addresses everyone in the thread when explaining his scumreads. As mafia, The Shining often addresses only his scumread when explaining his scumread. This game, there are several examples of The Shining addressing his scumread when explaining his scumread. + Show Spoiler +
First, explaining your scumread to your scumread is simply bad. If your scumread is mafia, you shouldn't be explaining to them why they are mafia, or what it was that they did wrong. That feels more like "haha, I got you on this one, here's what you did wrong!!" rather than "Hey, I solved the game!"
I did find one example of The Shining doing this in a town game. However, that's the only example I found in three town games from him. The Shining only has one scum game in the database, but he still made many cases addressed to his scumreads in that game.
For a more detailed look at the games I looked at, with examples, see this post, or look at the database.
The Shining's early analysis post on MoosyDoosy is forced + Show Spoiler +
On September 29 2015 08:43 MoosyDoosy wrote: It's a sad day when the only person who turns out to be town is LS.
In your filter right now. What made you say this?
lol be prepared, my filter is an absolute disaster.
On September 30 2015 09:02 MoosyDoosy wrote: I actually think this game is fairly easy after reading through it a second time without the schizophrenic paranoid painkiller druggy glasses.
You have to traverse pages of my arguments with rsoul where things finally became more or less clear for me.
You weren't kidding. LoL. But I'm really on the fence about you, yuck. See posts like these read town to me at first glance because of clear reads and quotes to support what you're saying:
On September 29 2015 12:14 MoosyDoosy wrote: Well, no one has struck out to me as Mafia immediately, so I’m just waiting for a good case on someone to sheep. Not to mention, Shining and coolTLname haven’t posted yet, and the GB/rayn question remains up in the air. I don’t feel like going into sicklucker/J Roc today because I feel that’ll settle itself over time. dunno how I feel about marv.
you still only got one townread?
might want to get on that if you plan on being a sheeplermuffin, especially with the one townread you have
why is he town? something more concrete than your earlier read on me, please
and also
i want your vote
>>
give it me
LS is town for attempting to do what I managed to accomplish (redirecting the thread seriously). Eh, tone reasons and blah. Damdred looks town. Emotional Damdred over having his posts ignored although his reactions to his own shenanigans were strange at the start. rsoul is very sadly, unfortunately, i may have been on the wrong track, town. Managed to glean her direction and she's drawing the conclusions that make her look like town! rsoul.
everyone else is kind of a null. I'm sure I can manage to stir something up to get more reads though. It's worthy to note that the nulls should sort themselves out. Mainly GB/rayn and J Roc/sicklucker.
No way to read Shining/coolTLname/Rels. Don’t know how to read marv or Trfel. And no I refuse to give you my vote ma’am.
As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background.
I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it.
But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it.
I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD
But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music.
I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking).
Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs.
One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece ):
TLDR please? Also guys I'm town this game let's get some scum lynched!
TLDR:
yada yada music yada
not posting cause music yada yada
Marry me
On September 29 2015 07:18 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 29 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote:
On September 29 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:
On September 29 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote:
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote: By the way:
O hai!
I'm town
truffle took your position. next phase
Please explain, I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here?
I mean, yeah, I'd just like to have you explain this post please ^^
i see you bby
you know it
me and my third eye of amaze. or am i wrong and you're not being the gb acolyte, just trying to imitate the finer whiskies?
(is that how you spell they plural for whisky? o.0)
He is not my acolyte, he is my successor
On September 29 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 29 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 29 2015 07:19 Damdred wrote: Ok I have a couple terrible town reads
Is this going to be the theme for early Day 1? This just going to a shitfest.....
Ok I have a couple of terrible town reads
On September 29 2015 07:17 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 29 2015 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 29 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote: Damdred is looking for a professional sexy person to welcome into his loving towny arms. All applicants will be screened please apply below.
Requirements: A good person to team up with Has to not doubt my alignment once n1 hits or on weekends when I'm busy Must not ignore my posts or talk over me must have a good voice and be funny
and like walks
Please apply for my townfriend
i have a good voice, maybe? i might be funny. i enjoy walks.
enough?
Rayn who is with you in your scum qt?
All of these posts are very bland. Like they're supposed to be banter but it's almost a sea of gray as if GB is forcing(?)/faking(?) the banter.
Which just made me more suspicious when he started focusing on Trfel/Damdred straight away. I don't know GB's meta too well so I'm not sure if he's normally this focused or not. The thing is that he did bring two good points on Trfel and Damdred.
This combination of not being sure about GB's meta and how he's bringing up good things made me town lean him for a while.
But then you have posts like these that just rub me the wrong way because it doesn't make sense to me:
On September 29 2015 21:59 MoosyDoosy wrote: GB, claiming I'm Mafia when I didn't even explain my reads is bad. Especially when I just entered the thread and didn't have much time to answer questions.
Because you claim you didn't explain your reads but you posted this post:
On September 29 2015 21:37 MoosyDoosy wrote: The problem with this game isn't so much that there are no scum reads, it's that there are too many people I'm not townreading.
- marv is town - Rels is town - Damdred is town - Lightningstrike is town
On September 29 2015 12:14 MoosyDoosy wrote: Well, no one has struck out to me as Mafia immediately, so I’m just waiting for a good case on someone to sheep. Not to mention, Shining and coolTLname haven’t posted yet, and the GB/rayn question remains up in the air. I don’t feel like going into sicklucker/J Roc today because I feel that’ll settle itself over time. dunno how I feel about marv.
you still only got one townread?
might want to get on that if you plan on being a sheeplermuffin, especially with the one townread you have
why is he town? something more concrete than your earlier read on me, please
and also
i want your vote
>>
give it me
LS is town for attempting to do what I managed to accomplish (redirecting the thread seriously). Eh, tone reasons and blah. Damdred looks town. Emotional Damdred over having his posts ignored although his reactions to his own shenanigans were strange at the start. rsoul is very sadly, unfortunately, i may have been on the wrong track, town. Managed to glean her direction and she's drawing the conclusions that make her look like town! rsoul.
everyone else is kind of a null. I'm sure I can manage to stir something up to get more reads though. It's worthy to note that the nulls should sort themselves out. Mainly GB/rayn and J Roc/sicklucker.
No way to read Shining/coolTLname/Rels. Don’t know how to read marv or Trfel. And no I refuse to give you my vote ma’am.
TLDR You said GB was bad for calling you scum when you didn't even explain your reads but you explained your reads before making that list with no explanations. And you went from idk how to read Marv to Marv town. That's the only unexplained one att.
This is a fairly long post. For the conclusion of "I'm on the fence". No questions for MoosyDoosy either. I'm not sure what the purpose is for town to post this.
Furthermore, the point that The Shining gives about MoosyDoosy's post to GlowingBear shows a lack of thought. MoosyDoosy makes a reads post on several people in the thread and then leaves for 11 hours and 9 minutes. When he comes back, he makes a read post with four certain town reads, one scum lean, and one town lean, but he doesn't explain them. After this post, GlowingBear says that MoosyDoosy is mafia, and MoosyDoosy says it's bad that GlowingBear would call him mafia instead of waiting for his reasons for these reads.
The Shining's argument is that MoosyDoosy already explained his reads in the other post that he quoted.
Only two of the six people mentioned in MoosyDoosy's later post were people that MoosyDoosy had given a read on in his earlier post. This is something that The Shining should always see. The only explanation is that The Shining was rushed through this.
So back to the original question, why is The Shining making this post? A long analysis post with no conclusion and no questions isn't terribly useful, except as perhaps a point of discussion or to share thoughts to be followed up on later (except The Shining doesn't talk about MoosyDoosy or follow up on this at all, more on that later). But the analysis is rushed and therefore has a flaw.
The Shining entered the thread late. He apologized for his late entrance and being busy. This post feels like a post made to get townread, not a post made to find scum, as it doesn't really have much purpose (especially without the followup) and is rushed.
The Shining's followup to his early series of posts suggests that he's playing to get townread, not to find scum + Show Spoiler +
On September 30 2015 09:57 The Shining wrote: Moosy and Trfel are question marks for me that I won't give a read on until I'm done filter diving them.
This is why The Shining was filter diving MoosyDoosy. You would expect him to filter dive me next.
He doesn't.
The Shining was townread by many people for his first series of posts.
On September 30 2015 12:05 sicklucker wrote: shining is so town it hurts. never seen him post before let alone a post that big when he bizzy
On September 30 2015 12:27 Damdred wrote: Hi, shining is pretty towny good guy so far.
On September 30 2015 12:27 rsoultin wrote: dododo
recreating town circles
-gathers truffle, shining and damdy into the fold- ^^
brain trust! \o/
not lynching moosy, rayn or sl today...i think i'll add cool here...he smells of newbie newness
ye i'm being female...so sue me
i think i actually want to lynch into rels, marv and scott
on whims, magic, and gut feels
And after this, The Shining's effort level and analysis drops off.
He's busy, he's phone posting, I get it. It's not a 100% argument, but it is still suspicious. There is a followup section to this argument later.
Note to self, did he ever filter dive me? Did he ever post an analysis post like the MoosyDoosy one again?
This section has two parts. The second is much more important than the first.
I think that this point is an opinion, and it's hard to explain. To me, there were several points that people had to lynch coolTLname, and The Shining spent most of his time talking about his own reason that he was suspicious of coolTLname (that coolTLname said he would check marvellosity's past games and never did). I don't find this point terribly interesting, especially after it's been mentioned a few times, since then if coolTLname does go back and check marvellosity's past games there's the "he just did it to be townread!" argument. Basically, there's no point for The Shining to keep bringing this point up, not over all of the other points that have been brought up. And then when coolTLname says that marvellosity is irrelevant, which makes a fair amount of sense from his perspective if you are willing to actually try and understand what he's saying instead of just reading the words, The Shining seems to use that as a reason to be even more suspicious of coolTLname.
I don't see The Shining using critical thinking here, it seems like he's trying to invent his own reason to join the coolTLname wagon. However, this is an opinion, and I can understand how people disagree.
The more interesting thing here is what DOESN'T happen.
Here's the vote count at the time that The Shining returns to the thread.
If he had time, you would expect him to read my filter, which he hasn't done yet. But even that aside, he should be interested in the pushes on rsoultin and GlowingBear. In my summary of the thread sentiment/direction at the time, I cited those as the main wagons.
The Shining does say that he thinks that rsoultin is still town, just for different reasons. But he never seems to check the reasons that marvellosity and raynpelikoneet had for pushing rsoultin, which I could have expected him to do.
I don't think he looks at the reasons for the GlowingBear lynch at all either. He never gives a new read on GlowingBear.
When raynpelikoneet votes for LightningStrike, The Shining asks him why. However, The Shining doesn't seem very interested in actually lynching LightningStrike, despite being suspicious of him for the entire game. I don't see any drive from The Shining to investigate LightningStrike at all here. Since The Shining says here that coolTLname and LightningStrike can't be mafia together, one would expect him to be much more interested in LightningStrike's alignment, given that he's lynching coolTLname.
Furthermore, after the Day 1 lynch, The Shining spends several posts exlaining to coolTLname why he is 100% mafia. This doesn't make sense from a town standpoint at all.
After Day 1, The Shining seems content to follow the thread sentiment and I don't see him putting in the effort that I would expect from him as town + Show Spoiler +
coolnamedude is mafia. rsoultin is mafia. LighntningStrike is mafia
in that order of confidence.
MoosyDoosy could be mafia if one of them magically happens to flip town.
I literally do not believe there is any chance for anyone else in this game to be mafia.
I believe in cool. I need to revisit the RSo cases but your last summary post of her actions are starting to make me wonder, if its all true. This wouldn't be the first time I hard towned scum RSo =/ but her play that game was different. LS is questionable/bad town at best, scum at worst but I still live in a world where both him and cool can't be scum. =/ LS sheeped onto cool and idk if he's confident enough as scum to bus D1.
And yeah Moosy is/should be on that list, too, if LS or cool were to flip town.
So he basically just agrees with raynpelikoneet's reads. And he admits that he never really investigated if raynpelikoneet's reasons for scumreading rsoultin were good or not, which he really should have given some attention to as town.
He also doesn't seem very interested in looking into LightningStrike's alignment, which as previously explained, is very important since he is scumreading coolTLname and he says that they can't be scum together.
It also feels like The Shining follows the thread sentiment with regards to MoosyDoosy. He's apparently on the fence on MoosyDoosy for all of Day 1 and Night 1, but never bothers to engage other people in discussing MoosyDoosy (despite at one point listing this as his third strongest suspicion). When thread sentiment shifts clearly to suspecting MoosyDoosy, The Shining shifts with it. As Day 2 starts, The Shining's push on MoosyDoosy looks much better, but the original shift of suspicion with the thread sentiment feels mafia motivated.
Furthermore, this progression doesn't make sense. First he says that he's voting for coolTLname and coolTLname should have been lynched on Day 1. Then he says that he doesn't like auto lynches and Day 2 shouldn't be an auto lynch day (I don't see him doing anything at all to help with this, note to self, does he ever look into actually lynching anyone other than coolTLname?). Finally, he says this to coolTLname.
On October 02 2015 11:51 The Shining wrote: OK srsly please stop this. This is your 2nd give up post, and we still have 40+ hours left in this day phase. Instead of asking if anyone remembers who asked about you too hunting, why not use your time to find it yourself? How many times are you going to declare your innocence but then do jack shit about it? This reads like a scum post just trying to get people to waste time on shit we dont need to waste time on.
And it wasn't me that said you were role hunting but thanks for trying to pin that on me. -1
CoolTLname has been The Shining's top scum read for the entire game. It's the thing he's most consistent on throughout his filter. His scumread on coolTLname has been strong enough for The Shining to not want to lynch LightningStrike, his other consistent scumread throughout his filter. But here, he's talking to coolTLname as if coolTLname is town (I admit that I generally don't like this argument, but here it seems stronger). He's telling coolTLname how to play a better town game while calling him scum twice. And getting frustrated at his strongest scumread for being scummy. I could understand this if The Shining seemed to doubt coolTLname's alignment, but he doesn't. I don't think he really looks into anyone else after this (note to self, check this), in which case this post has no place in a town mindset.
On October 02 2015 11:59 MoosyDoosy wrote: did anyone notice he literally revokes everything he said and did in that post of his...
Actually yeah wow this. Bah Moosy can be town, there's no way we keep having mind melds like this.
This is a very strange post, but there isn't that much mafia motivation for The Shining to post this (some, but not a significant amount). I'll leave this here as a note for anyone who wants to try and investigate more.
On October 02 2015 14:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Trfel which one of us do you believe is right?
Did Trfel ever answer this? All I saw was him saying he thought cool was town and that their talk was getting nowhere. After saying he'd lynch cool because even if he's town because he's not helpful to town. That's a weird progression and considering I think rayn is town and cool is scum, it seems pretty weird to not take a side here or even analyze what the arguments they had against each other were.
Okay, so he's a bit suspicious of me (Trfel) as well. He does eventually look into my alignment, which is good for him, but he never finishes with this.
Also, note that he doesn't seem to look at LightningStrike at all, despite noticing that raynpelikoneet argued that LightningStrike and coolTLname can be mafia together. He just says that he's interested in raynpelikoneet's argument, but doesn't follow up on the argument itself or on LightningStrike.
Conclusion The Shining only used filter diving analysis twice in the game (early Day 1 on MoosyDoosy, and mid Day 2 on Trfel). Along with his read progression, he seems to be playing more to get townread instead of to find mafia. He also shows that his mindset is not a town mindset on several occasions.
Moosy is probably mafia. The points that makes him mafia are in spoiler. + Show Spoiler +
1. After D2 started, Moosy accused GB of being mafia with a nonsense argument + Show Spoiler +
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
This is reaching to call GB scum. There is NO way GB as mafia fights for coolTLname's lynch, when people are willing to switch to a blue. A mafia would just shut up and let the switch happen.
2. I call Moosy scummy for reasons X and Y. Moosy also thinks I called him scummy for reason Z. Moosy scumread me partly for that. + Show Spoiler +
Moosy once again is reaching for a reason to call someone scum, this time me; It is nonsense to someone based on the fact you think he is scumreading you for a reason; when that person never said you were scummy for that, and actually said multiple times this particular reason didn't matter! This sentence got very long; see the resume oin the title of the pont. Moosy admitting he still scumread me for that:
he clearly wanted to part of d1 and then didn't want to!
like how the fuck do you not understand this?!
So he was not pushing your lynch then, because you can't be pushing and not pushing.
Again, why did mafia not hop on your lynch?
apparently rels did not hop onto my lynch because rayn's world only consists of what happens at the end ^^ and that's assuming that rels is actually mafia
how should i know why according to rayn view mafia didn't hop onto my lynch? maybe they don't want to be associated with mislynching a town rsoul. they didn't pm me and tell me 'hey rsoul, we didn't jump on your wagon because x'
This is actually one of the reasons that I scum read Rels in my argument with him which he somehow didn't pick up on. He's very less invested in following the people he thinks are scum. He's already questioned me then acceded and went away. Very uncharacteristic of him when he normally tunnels harder than rayn.
Another lie. I did pick it up. I said that I had nothing to comment on because it was true. With me re evaluating rsoultin then leaving work then being unavailable to play until deadline d1, I didn't have time to do that. I will find the post to prove that. Me picking on one inconsistent part of your read is different from me not acknowledging other parts of your read
lol then you definitely know 100% that I'm not just talking about 1 part of my argument with you. Thank you for admitting it.
I have no idea what you are talking anymore. I tried to clarify stuff by asking you a simple question and I didn't understand the answer
ok let me explain this.
A. you highlighted one ambiguous part of my post and said that I was scumreading you for you screaming about my behavior and how you were actually just reading me town. B. I said that it was weird for you to expect me to know you were reading me town when you were screaming. C. I also said that there was obviously more than one part to what I was scumreading you for so I didn't understand how you only got that from our argument D. you asked me what these other parts were E. point A was not reading the thread properly which is definitely what you are doing if you think I'm scumreading you for only one thing F. you tunnel on me for not answering a question that you should know the answer to G. you admit there are more points that can make you scum H. i'm clearly right in that there are more points to scumread you as you just admitted
My question is "is the fact that I screamed that line at you still part of your case against me" Yes no
Yes. There is no way you can expect me to know you are town reading me when you are screaming about my behavior like you caught something.
3. Moosy insisted we lynch coolTLname whatever his alignement D2. + Show Spoiler +
Moosy clearly wanted to lynch coolTLname. He repeated to have two possible lineups of mafias; and said he would lynch coolTLname since he was either a liability or town. This is a scummy way of thinking, since lynching coolTLname is exactly what mafia wanted. If he had a doubt about coolTLname being only a bad town, he should have pushed for other lynches; but didn't.
On October 04 2015 03:04 MoosyDoosy wrote: Caught up. I still stand by coolTL. He is either a liability for town or Mafia.
After his flip is when I pursue one of my two line-ups.
On October 04 2015 04:31 MoosyDoosy wrote: rsoultin explain why there are two mafia in cool/rels/moosy
cause there are three mafia in cool/rels/moosy/sl, so at least two are in any group of three
you ignored the post directly after the one you're referring to where i said
HEY scum HAD TO HAVE bussed d1 at some point, so DISREGARD the previous post
like literally i'm either townreading someone erroneously (which is possible but i was being pretty thorough there so i don't think so) or bussing was going on regardless of whether or not cool is one of the three scum
and by bussed i don't necessarily mean voted on, i mean reads in thread
No, I don't think this is right if i'm honest...
-pats on head-
then by all means find where it's wrong
ok, the thing is there is barely anything to suggest that either rels or me bused coolTL. I thought he was scum pretty early on and so did Rels. Both of us didn't make overexaggerated tunnels about it either which is what I did with CopCake. That's why I only piece together a potential bus between GB and coolTL where there's some things that can suggest it, but not between Rels/coolTL.
that's cool
so you think cool is scum and rels is scum but you don't think rels is bussing cool
sounds legit
No, I actually think there's rather a chance coolTL is town. I thought he had TMI on you early, and it still is really fucking weird he defended you that hard, but this might just be a case of too bad to be Mafia. Literally the way he can try to seem as townie as possible is to just not post anything as everything is just a flip flop and contradiction.
He also repeated multiple times he would push me if coolTLname flipped town; it could indicate a mafia preparing his next mislynch.
4. Moosy said he was the first to vote and push coolTLname; trying to get the credit at the time of being the first. + Show Spoiler +
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining. Second of all, I already said that we were lynching coolTL when I came back after EoD. Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
That is just false. *I* was the first to push for coolTLname's lynch.
On September 29 2015 21:21 Rels wrote: This first post by coolTLname is super scummy. It is his first post, and he talks about a lot of differents subjects. A first post with different subjects is scum indicative as mafia usually has a hard time entering the thread. Plus, I don't know how GB's posts being mechanical and rayn's posts being mechanical are mixed up. Plus, he agrees on a Moosy's posts that I don't understand. Plus, he next post is scummy too:
On September 29 2015 16:47 coolTLname wrote: So i noticed mafia can hold their KP, this makes claiming Roleblock and framing someone possible, as well as fake vet claims. Anyway i propose anyone who claims a blue role to be lynched automatically, if there is no kill , better to leave it in the dark?
Can medics heal themselves?
Two useless questions. After that he posted one more time and gtfo.
On October 01 2015 00:35 Rels wrote: alright leaving work super soon. Voting coolTLname for this:
On September 30 2015 05:52 Rels wrote: still this more or less:
On September 29 2015 21:21 Rels wrote: This first post by coolTLname is super scummy. It is his first post, and he talks about a lot of differents subjects. A first post with different subjects is scum indicative as mafia usually has a hard time entering the thread. Plus, I don't know how GB's posts being mechanical and rayn's posts being mechanical are mixed up. Plus, he agrees on a Moosy's posts that I don't understand. Plus, he next post is scummy too:
On September 29 2015 16:47 coolTLname wrote: So i noticed mafia can hold their KP, this makes claiming Roleblock and framing someone possible, as well as fake vet claims. Anyway i propose anyone who claims a blue role to be lynched automatically, if there is no kill , better to leave it in the dark?
Can medics heal themselves?
Two useless questions. After that he posted one more time and gtfo.
without the Moosy part Plus he has refused to explain his weird GF read on you, so I cannot know if he has a reasonning behind it Plus he's clearly trolling, I don't know why a town under suspicion would act like that. But Dandel did exactly that last game, so that makes me wary of lynching him
We didn't talk about him a lot recently, but I haven't forgot him. I want to see rsoultin's case on GB though, the thing about Damdred's meta being wrong on purpose. See you!
On October 01 2015 05:38 MoosyDoosy wrote: ##unvote ##vote coolTLname
So this sentence is bullshit: "GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining."
5. Moosy associated heavily with Shining about this coolTLname's push. He said EOD2 he would read his filter. And now he says he has no idea about his alignment. + Show Spoiler +
This is not scum indicative per se; but if Shining is mafia, this read progression indicates a possible partner; townreading him and associating with him when Shining was universally townread, doubting him when he was put under suspicions; but not reading his filter since and not having a read on Shining's alignement.
On October 01 2015 21:32 rsoultin wrote: also maybe i'm misremembering but i really don't believe you were instrumental in the cool lynch at all. being on it first isn't the same as being the main one pushing it or the reason it gained traction
anyway yeah i'm out for a bit again
don't call my lists useless please @.@
I mean, there was absolutely no intention to lynch him. Shining and I apparently came to the same conclusion at the same time though. We literally posted that coolTLname had TMI at the same time. Shining posted his thoughts 1 second before I voted for coolTL. Before that it was all about scott/rsoul.
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining. Second of all, I already said that we were lynching coolTL when I came back after EoD. Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
On October 04 2015 06:12 MoosyDoosy wrote: ok wat let me read Shining's filter
On October 05 2015 04:25 Trfel wrote: MoosyDoosy, I don't really feel like reading your filter, and my memory is terrible.
Would you mind stating your reads on everyone? No reasons are necessary, I'll ask for reasons for a few specific people next.
rsoultin - town Moosy - blue Trfel - town GlowingBear - idk rayn - town LightningStrike - Mafia Rels - Mafia sicklucker - town Shining - idk
Then who ? I think Trfel, rayn and GB are town. I'll read their filters all the same tomorrow though, but right now by poe we have:
rsoultin: nitpicking over a things that doesn't make me scum. Looking for scum explanation for everything I do. Townread shining, sheeping damdred s read when damdred is dead and we don't know if he would have re evaluated. Didnt have definite scumreads until middle of D1, when she scumread Marv and I; she rescinded these reads when she got pushed, and didn't acquire new reads until D2. Since then, have not re evaluated.
LS: didnt do anything that I remember. Lots of excuses and comments that doesn't add anything. Sheeped apathetically coolTLname s lynch yesterday, while calling it weird.
sicklucker: lots of comment on a lot of subjects. Seems to be lacking a direction. Maybe lied about him and rayn being the first to push coolTLname. Had no real opinion of the Marv push on rsoultin.
Will post some stuff as I check things from the top of my head. No real cases, more like scummy points of people that might be used later on cases unless refuted.
Shining's read evolution on Moosy doesn't make sense
Shining started having suspicions starting with this post:
On September 30 2015 09:57 The Shining wrote: [...] Moosy and Trfel are question marks for me that I won't give a read on until I'm done filter diving them.
Since then, he questionned Moosy about a lot of stuff, his read logically increasing towards scuminess. The way it is done is so weird; he's finding a scummy point, asking Moosy a question, then accepting the explanation at face value. Then is starts again. Trfel definitely hit a point with this; this is a weird way to scumhunt (begging to be proving false by your target, so you can drop the scumread afterwards), and it is NOT Shining's meta to scumhunt like that, as demonstrated in Trfel's case. Exemples are: + Show Spoiler +
On October 01 2015 11:27 MoosyDoosy wrote: Also, coolTLname, I hope you realize rsoul was in no way confirmed town? At the start, she was as ambiguous as usual, and it took my shit fight with her to understand exactly what she was looking into. After that, she acted really scummy by changing reads for no reason which several people picked up on including me. Obviously both rayn and marv were too dense to listen to her explanation afterwards, but your unwavering support for her is really, really out of place.
OK calling rayn and Marv too dense to listen to her explanation after saying you picked up on her changing reads and found it scummy implies you agreed with the scumread but then listened to her explanation and believed it. Is this true?
On October 01 2015 11:27 MoosyDoosy wrote: Also, coolTLname, I hope you realize rsoul was in no way confirmed town? At the start, she was as ambiguous as usual, and it took my shit fight with her to understand exactly what she was looking into. After that, she acted really scummy by changing reads for no reason which several people picked up on including me. Obviously both rayn and marv were too dense to listen to her explanation afterwards, but your unwavering support for her is really, really out of place.
OK calling rayn and Marv too dense to listen to her explanation after saying you picked up on her changing reads and found it scummy implies you agreed with the scumread but then listened to her explanation and believed it. Is this true?
If so, what's your current read on RSo?
town because coolTL spewed her as it.
OK so town because coolTL spewed her as it but for no other reason? In a twisted world where cool flips town (I don't think he will but bare with me), what happens to that read? What about what I asked you regarding her explanation for her change in reads? Before cool spewed her town, did you think she was town?
On October 01 2015 11:27 MoosyDoosy wrote: Also, coolTLname, I hope you realize rsoul was in no way confirmed town? At the start, she was as ambiguous as usual, and it took my shit fight with her to understand exactly what she was looking into. After that, she acted really scummy by changing reads for no reason which several people picked up on including me. Obviously both rayn and marv were too dense to listen to her explanation afterwards, but your unwavering support for her is really, really out of place.
OK calling rayn and Marv too dense to listen to her explanation after saying you picked up on her changing reads and found it scummy implies you agreed with the scumread but then listened to her explanation and believed it. Is this true?
If so, what's your current read on RSo?
town because coolTL spewed her as it.
OK so town because coolTL spewed her as it but for no other reason? In a twisted world where cool flips town (I don't think he will but bare with me), what happens to that read? What about what I asked you regarding her explanation for her change in reads? Before cool spewed her town, did you think she was town?
Ok read progression? I didn't understand what she was saying at the start of the thread so I pushed her for it. I was satisfied with her explanations and then town read her. Then she made a weird change in her reads and I scum read her for it while marv/rayn pushed her. I was satisfied with her explanations and then town read her. Then she did another weird read change with GB and now has practically no direction which is a scum trait from her. So my read on her is currently deteriorating from town. However, I still hold that coolTL will flip scum and spew her town.
In the case that doesn't happen I'll have to re-read the game again although I think I have a good idea as to where to look.
Yeah you picked up on that I was asking for. Read progression. So you've flipped back and forth between town and scum on her a bunch of times. That's questionable, since I know scum has a hard time pushing and maintaining scumreads.
Can you answer my post regarding the vote and train?
On October 02 2015 05:29 The Shining wrote: [quote]
Hrm this is true. And although I started being suspicious of cool pretty early over the Marv non-read, I was actually the last to vote him. I wasn't even really pushing cool, I was still questioning him before I caught his chainsaw RSo defense.
Sigh I guess I'll respond to this too. It doesn't make a difference. Rels and GB's votes didn't do much to start the wagon. It was only after you and me voted for coolTL that the wagon actually started.
Tonight, I will be banning coolTLname permanently for providing us with atrocious whiskey. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The spirits recall list is here. Only votes on this list will be counted.
Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill.
But I was the last vote on that train...you were 3rd...neither of us started that train...why are you lying/misrepresenting?
Moosy pls
Okay so I made a mistake to not see people were voting for coolTL other than me. I was just super excited that we both drew the exact same conclusion at the exact same time which is why I gave us all the credit. Either way, the coolTL wagon only became a real thing when we voted for coolTL and said he had TMI to make scott move over and make even rayn unvote to have doubts.
Yeaaaaa...I kind of thought the same but with the sequence of events and the other votes on cool, it felt like a pocket attempt while subscribing to my train of thought. Here's why:
On October 01 2015 05:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: ##unvote ##vote coolTLname
This is scum with TMI about rsoul.
This post came 2 minutes after this post of mine:
On October 01 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:16 rsoultin wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:12 The Shining wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:06 coolTLname wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:03 The Shining wrote: [quote]
If I'm understanding this right, marv is pushing your townread super hard for lynch. How is his alignment not relevant?
Why would you say you're going to do something and then not do it? And then do the same thing with rso past games instead? I don't understand this
how is saying he is mafia or town going to change his vote? i have better things to do such as defend rsoultin directly or accuse the glowing bear/ rayn and possibly sicklucker one of whom have 3 votes on.
Well you indirectly said depending on his past games he could be scum. Then you stopped caring about it. That's a lack of scumhunting to me, when you have a suspicion or pinion on someone and do absolutely nothing about it but instead start defending a townread. Looks like you're more concerned with pocketing rso than you are in finding scum.
Let me check yur filter becuz i would like to know why you're voting GB. Or you could save me the trouble and tell me.
this went through my mind
but where i get hung up on it really is what good does it do him if either of us are lynched?
pocketing me means nothing if i'm not here and obviously it means nothing if he's lynched. i guess he could just not have meant it when he said to lynch him instead of me but...blah ><
i still think this isn't gb's town game
all this is going on and he's lurking around telling truffle here's a kit kat
I just dont get why hes chainsaw defending you. If i am to believe he is newb town, i dont see how he could be this sure of a townread. Like i made the mistake as a newb of letting HtS filter size alone fool me in my first game here but even then i wasnt chainsaw defending ANY of my TRs. It looks really weird. And the saying hed look into marv later when it was HIS idea in the first place is rubbing me the wrong way.
Dont get me wrong, you were and still are in my town pile but for different reasons, not just filter length. I remember in the scum game i lost to you and your bro, i forget the game, you were way less standoffish and adamant about your trains of thought. You were more aloof and carefree that game, with a bit of trouble finding scumreads and latching onto easy mislynches. Marv is not an easy lynch, mislynch or not, so i dont think scumRso does that here.
Just enough time to read this post and make your short post after my prompting because I was already on the track to thinking cool had TMI. That was also your first post in 2 hours but you don't mention anything else and just latch onto the coolTLname TMI case.
...
...? because I was busy and literally thought of coolTLname, logged in, voted him, thought of reasoning, quoted it onto rayn's post then left
Wait so you voted him to get on the wagon and THEN thought of reasoning for it? What??
This response to a pocketing accusation is soooo bad. You tried to buddy me twice saying we got the train on cool going then when I ask about it being a pocket, you slip and admit you voted without reasoning.
Am I wrong here? Cuz if not I wanna lynch Moosy, this is bad.
On October 02 2015 05:46 The Shining wrote: [quote]
[quote]
But I was the last vote on that train...you were 3rd...neither of us started that train...why are you lying/misrepresenting?
Moosy pls
Okay so I made a mistake to not see people were voting for coolTL other than me. I was just super excited that we both drew the exact same conclusion at the exact same time which is why I gave us all the credit. Either way, the coolTL wagon only became a real thing when we voted for coolTL and said he had TMI to make scott move over and make even rayn unvote to have doubts.
Yeaaaaa...I kind of thought the same but with the sequence of events and the other votes on cool, it felt like a pocket attempt while subscribing to my train of thought. Here's why:
On October 01 2015 05:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: ##unvote ##vote coolTLname
This is scum with TMI about rsoul.
This post came 2 minutes after this post of mine:
On October 01 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:16 rsoultin wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:12 The Shining wrote: [quote]
Well you indirectly said depending on his past games he could be scum. Then you stopped caring about it. That's a lack of scumhunting to me, when you have a suspicion or pinion on someone and do absolutely nothing about it but instead start defending a townread. Looks like you're more concerned with pocketing rso than you are in finding scum.
Let me check yur filter becuz i would like to know why you're voting GB. Or you could save me the trouble and tell me.
this went through my mind
but where i get hung up on it really is what good does it do him if either of us are lynched?
pocketing me means nothing if i'm not here and obviously it means nothing if he's lynched. i guess he could just not have meant it when he said to lynch him instead of me but...blah ><
i still think this isn't gb's town game
all this is going on and he's lurking around telling truffle here's a kit kat
I just dont get why hes chainsaw defending you. If i am to believe he is newb town, i dont see how he could be this sure of a townread. Like i made the mistake as a newb of letting HtS filter size alone fool me in my first game here but even then i wasnt chainsaw defending ANY of my TRs. It looks really weird. And the saying hed look into marv later when it was HIS idea in the first place is rubbing me the wrong way.
Dont get me wrong, you were and still are in my town pile but for different reasons, not just filter length. I remember in the scum game i lost to you and your bro, i forget the game, you were way less standoffish and adamant about your trains of thought. You were more aloof and carefree that game, with a bit of trouble finding scumreads and latching onto easy mislynches. Marv is not an easy lynch, mislynch or not, so i dont think scumRso does that here.
Just enough time to read this post and make your short post after my prompting because I was already on the track to thinking cool had TMI. That was also your first post in 2 hours but you don't mention anything else and just latch onto the coolTLname TMI case.
...
...? because I was busy and literally thought of coolTLname, logged in, voted him, thought of reasoning, quoted it onto rayn's post then left
Wait so you voted him to get on the wagon and THEN thought of reasoning for it? What??
This response to a pocketing accusation is soooo bad. You tried to buddy me twice saying we got the train on cool going then when I ask about it being a pocket, you slip and admit you voted without reasoning.
Am I wrong here? Cuz if not I wanna lynch Moosy, this is bad.
you were accusing me of pocketing? lol, to tell the truth I didn't even read your post on coolTL until after the flip as you can go back and see.
I was. And if you didn't read my post on cool, and hadn't posted for 2 hours before your vote and staying he had TMI, then how could you have read anything to decide he had TmI?
On October 02 2015 08:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shining are you seriously entertaining a Mossy lynch over coolTLname?
Meh, not after his explained read progression. I thought I caught a slip but him explaining it makes slightly more sense.
It's just alarming to me that Moosy is on my radar and I still think LS could flip scum and they both voted coolTL. There is absolutely no way they're all scum together.
coolnamedude is mafia. rsoultin is mafia. LighntningStrike is mafia
in that order of confidence.
MoosyDoosy could be mafia if one of them magically happens to flip town.
I literally do not believe there is any chance for anyone else in this game to be mafia.
I believe in cool. I need to revisit the RSo cases but your last summary post of her actions are starting to make me wonder, if its all true. This wouldn't be the first time I hard towned scum RSo =/ but her play that game was different. LS is questionable/bad town at best, scum at worst but I still live in a world where both him and cool can't be scum. =/ LS sheeped onto cool and idk if he's confident enough as scum to bus D1.
And yeah Moosy is/should be on that list, too, if LS or cool were to flip town.
On October 02 2015 05:29 The Shining wrote: [quote]
Hrm this is true. And although I started being suspicious of cool pretty early over the Marv non-read, I was actually the last to vote him. I wasn't even really pushing cool, I was still questioning him before I caught his chainsaw RSo defense.
Sigh I guess I'll respond to this too. It doesn't make a difference. Rels and GB's votes didn't do much to start the wagon. It was only after you and me voted for coolTL that the wagon actually started.
Tonight, I will be banning coolTLname permanently for providing us with atrocious whiskey. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The spirits recall list is here. Only votes on this list will be counted.
Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill.
But I was the last vote on that train...you were 3rd...neither of us started that train...why are you lying/misrepresenting?
Moosy pls
Okay so I made a mistake to not see people were voting for coolTL other than me. I was just super excited that we both drew the exact same conclusion at the exact same time which is why I gave us all the credit. Either way, the coolTL wagon only became a real thing when we voted for coolTL and said he had TMI to make scott move over and make even rayn unvote to have doubts.
Yeaaaaa...I kind of thought the same but with the sequence of events and the other votes on cool, it felt like a pocket attempt while subscribing to my train of thought. Here's why:
On October 01 2015 05:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: ##unvote ##vote coolTLname
This is scum with TMI about rsoul.
This post came 2 minutes after this post of mine:
On October 01 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:16 rsoultin wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:12 The Shining wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:06 coolTLname wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:03 The Shining wrote: [quote]
If I'm understanding this right, marv is pushing your townread super hard for lynch. How is his alignment not relevant?
Why would you say you're going to do something and then not do it? And then do the same thing with rso past games instead? I don't understand this
how is saying he is mafia or town going to change his vote? i have better things to do such as defend rsoultin directly or accuse the glowing bear/ rayn and possibly sicklucker one of whom have 3 votes on.
Well you indirectly said depending on his past games he could be scum. Then you stopped caring about it. That's a lack of scumhunting to me, when you have a suspicion or pinion on someone and do absolutely nothing about it but instead start defending a townread. Looks like you're more concerned with pocketing rso than you are in finding scum.
Let me check yur filter becuz i would like to know why you're voting GB. Or you could save me the trouble and tell me.
this went through my mind
but where i get hung up on it really is what good does it do him if either of us are lynched?
pocketing me means nothing if i'm not here and obviously it means nothing if he's lynched. i guess he could just not have meant it when he said to lynch him instead of me but...blah ><
i still think this isn't gb's town game
all this is going on and he's lurking around telling truffle here's a kit kat
I just dont get why hes chainsaw defending you. If i am to believe he is newb town, i dont see how he could be this sure of a townread. Like i made the mistake as a newb of letting HtS filter size alone fool me in my first game here but even then i wasnt chainsaw defending ANY of my TRs. It looks really weird. And the saying hed look into marv later when it was HIS idea in the first place is rubbing me the wrong way.
Dont get me wrong, you were and still are in my town pile but for different reasons, not just filter length. I remember in the scum game i lost to you and your bro, i forget the game, you were way less standoffish and adamant about your trains of thought. You were more aloof and carefree that game, with a bit of trouble finding scumreads and latching onto easy mislynches. Marv is not an easy lynch, mislynch or not, so i dont think scumRso does that here.
Just enough time to read this post and make your short post after my prompting because I was already on the track to thinking cool had TMI. That was also your first post in 2 hours but you don't mention anything else and just latch onto the coolTLname TMI case.
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...? because I was busy and literally thought of coolTLname, logged in, voted him, thought of reasoning, quoted it onto rayn's post then left
Wait so you voted him to get on the wagon and THEN thought of reasoning for it? What??
This response to a pocketing accusation is soooo bad. You tried to buddy me twice saying we got the train on cool going then when I ask about it being a pocket, you slip and admit you voted without reasoning.
Am I wrong here? Cuz if not I wanna lynch Moosy, this is bad.
Then Shining drops his suspicions on Moosy on two things: saying Moosy explanation made "slightly more sense" and a mindmeld:
On October 02 2015 08:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Shining are you seriously entertaining a Mossy lynch over coolTLname?
Meh, not after his explained read progression. I thought I caught a slip but him explaining it makes slightly more sense.
It's just alarming to me that Moosy is on my radar and I still think LS could flip scum and they both voted coolTL. There is absolutely no way they're all scum together.
On October 03 2015 00:50 MoosyDoosy wrote: I am looking at coolTL/LS and Rels/LS. There's a third floating but I'm not too worried as these two should give us a huge start.
I'm pretty much here as well. But the first one is kind of unlikely to me. Rayn was supposed to explain under what circumstances LS would bus cool D1 but I don't remember reading that. That was the post that piqued my curiosity that I was waiting for but I didn't see it.
This read progression doesn't make sense on two points: - Shining asking Moosy questions about his suspicions, begging to be proven false. This makes even less sense if you believe the part on Trfel's case that demonstrate Shining doesn't scumhunt like that - Shining totally dropping his suspicions over an explanation that "slightly makes more sense than the accusation" and a mindmeld
Moosy's read progression on Shining, or more precisely lack of, doesn't make sense
MoosyDoosy's read of Shining has been set in stone since the beginning of the game: null. But what he says about Shining fluctuates with the thread sentimennt; taking things from Shining when he is universally townread; then being doubtful about him when he is under suspicion.
1. Moosy had Shining as a null read all game. 2. when Shining is universally townread N1 / start of D2, Moosy is associating with him. 3. when Shining is under suspicion from Trfel, rayn and I, and Trfel was trying to push people to switch to Shining, Moosy doesn't know about Shining and says he needs to filter dives him. It's been 35 hours since and he hasn't done it 4. right now, when Shining is a lynch candidate from several players, Moosy still hasn't filter dive him and doesn't not have a read on him.
1. Moosy has Shining as null all game: D1:
On September 30 2015 09:07 MoosyDoosy wrote: Town: rsoultin (w/ NocturneMage) Glowingbear LightningStrike Rels sicklucker Damdred
Thoughts on this town list?
On September 30 2015 10:02 MoosyDoosy wrote: Shining may or may not be town.
On October 01 2015 04:54 coolTLname wrote: marv is irrelevant at the moment, so i have not checked yet.
If I'm understanding this right, marv is pushing your townread super hard for lynch. How is his alignment not relevant?
Why would you say you're going to do something and then not do it? And then do the same thing with rso past games instead? I don't understand this
how is saying he is mafia or town going to change his vote? i have better things to do such as defend rsoultin directly or accuse the glowing bear/ rayn and possibly sicklucker one of whom have 3 votes on.
Well you indirectly said depending on his past games he could be scum. Then you stopped caring about it. That's a lack of scumhunting to me, when you have a suspicion or pinion on someone and do absolutely nothing about it but instead start defending a townread. Looks like you're more concerned with pocketing rso than you are in finding scum.
Let me check yur filter becuz i would like to know why you're voting GB. Or you could save me the trouble and tell me.
this went through my mind
but where i get hung up on it really is what good does it do him if either of us are lynched?
pocketing me means nothing if i'm not here and obviously it means nothing if he's lynched. i guess he could just not have meant it when he said to lynch him instead of me but...blah ><
i still think this isn't gb's town game
all this is going on and he's lurking around telling truffle here's a kit kat
I just dont get why hes chainsaw defending you. If i am to believe he is newb town, i dont see how he could be this sure of a townread. Like i made the mistake as a newb of letting HtS filter size alone fool me in my first game here but even then i wasnt chainsaw defending ANY of my TRs. It looks really weird. And the saying hed look into marv later when it was HIS idea in the first place is rubbing me the wrong way.
Dont get me wrong, you were and still are in my town pile but for different reasons, not just filter length. I remember in the scum game i lost to you and your bro, i forget the game, you were way less standoffish and adamant about your trains of thought. You were more aloof and carefree that game, with a bit of trouble finding scumreads and latching onto easy mislynches. Marv is not an easy lynch, mislynch or not, so i dont think scumRso does that here.
scumRso has targeted and successfull pushed townHF (though to be fair he mostly did that to himself by going bananas)
like i know i'm town but i can't really explain it beyond i think it's clear i'm trying to get reads even in the midst of this shitstorm?
but um yeah i don't really get the chainsaw defend either. like i know i've been lenient toward him and was defending him in our first game, too, when he got modkilled but...he does seem more certain than i'd expect him to be. i really don't know what to make of it?
I'm making of it what Moosy made of it. Feels like tmi and he even went out of his way to dig up some town games of yours when he wouldn't do that for someone he indirectly said could be scum and now is calling irrelevant. Like, is Marv ever irrelevant?
On October 01 2015 11:09 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I just got home and WHY DID YOU FUCKING LYNCH SCOTT WHEN HE HAD CLAIMED ! SHOT TRACKER? I going to read now but I very pissed at you guys for lynching him.....
Perfect. I have questions for you.
There is no way for you to have made this post unless you had actually been reading the thread up to that point:
On October 01 2015 05:59 LightningStrike wrote: Holy shit so many pages to read. Luckily I finally got back early from lab so I'm here right now I see we lynching either scott, rsoultin, and coolTLname. I really torn because I still think Tina is town scott I had nullish and coolTLname seems like a odd ball guy. So who you guys thin is the best lynch between Scott or coolTLname?
scott hadn't actually been a serious lynch candidate except for in the eyes of rayn and had only been a recent development. coolTLname wasn't really being considered either until me and Shining posted about him.
I'd like for you to explain how you got these people for your lynch list.
On October 01 2015 21:32 rsoultin wrote: also maybe i'm misremembering but i really don't believe you were instrumental in the cool lynch at all. being on it first isn't the same as being the main one pushing it or the reason it gained traction
anyway yeah i'm out for a bit again
don't call my lists useless please @.@
I mean, there was absolutely no intention to lynch him. Shining and I apparently came to the same conclusion at the same time though. We literally posted that coolTLname had TMI at the same time. Shining posted his thoughts 1 second before I voted for coolTL. Before that it was all about scott/rsoul.
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining. Second of all, I already said that we were lynching coolTL when I came back after EoD. Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
So your lynch candidates are coolTLname AND the two persons that voted him before you ? And these two persons being: - the one that was the first to put suspicions on coolTLname - the one that didn't want to switch from coolTLname even with a counter claim ???????????
I gave explanation for GB. My point on you still stands. I do not see you pushing on coolTL at all.
I probably pushed coolTLname more than you. Even if that's not the case, I was the first the suspect him, and I voted him before leaving work, 5 hours before you More than that, I don't understand you saying to GB "maybe you don't realize, but I was the first to vote coolTLname" when GB voted him 2 HOURS BEFORE YOU
Woah calm down. Why is your response changing so much from this one?
On October 02 2015 05:24 Rels wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 05:04 Rels wrote:
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
So your lynch candidates are coolTLname AND the two persons that voted him before you ? And these two persons being: - the one that was the first to put suspicions on coolTLname - the one that didn't want to switch from coolTLname even with a counter claim ???????????
I gave explanation for GB. My point on you still stands. I do not see you pushing on coolTL at all.
Your point on me is true, so I can't say anything about that. But if you think coolTLname is scum, this GB's read is retarded. He was trying to get people to lynch coolTLname over scott! If he was mafia he would shut up and let things happen
There's no need to yell. Calm down.
what exactly is changing ?
I mean A. even if you voted for him with GB it didn't make much of a difference and the wagon didn't really get going until me and Shining voted for coolTL. Also, in one your responding calmly and accepting my point. Then you bring it up again and start swinging with it? ok.
Tonight, I will be banning coolTLname permanently for providing us with atrocious whiskey. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The spirits recall list is here. Only votes on this list will be counted.
Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill.
Lol. I guess. You and I just have different opinions on what started means. I thought you meant started as in the hardest pushes from the beginning of D1 but it looks like you meant we were the votes that put the wagon into the lead and got people to switch. Am I right?
yes. i feel like i've been saying this for the longest time. -.-
On October 02 2015 22:32 MoosyDoosy wrote: I mean, I might be shooting myself in the foot right now, but I can see a world where coolTL is not scum and just bad townie. Like really bad townie admittedly but I can see it.
This is what I was referring to when I hinted it to Shining earlier.
3. Moosy starts suspecting Shining at EOD2, when Shining is under suspicion. Note the second post: "I will look into Shining after we mislynch Rels and the game is over":
On October 04 2015 05:08 coolTLname wrote: I know! its because underneath all your anger, you actually think i could be town and ur waiting until i flip to save energy. :D
If you're alive, you're a liability to town.
Also find it funny that you're the sc2mafia role mechanics dude and you don't know what a roleblocker is.
On October 04 2015 05:08 coolTLname wrote: I know! its because underneath all your anger, you actually think i could be town and ur waiting until i flip to save energy. :D
If you're alive, you're a liability to town.
Also find it funny that you're the sc2mafia role mechanics dude and you don't know what a roleblocker is.
What do you think about The Shining?
Shining is worth looking into if coolTL is scum.
Why not if coolTLname is town?
If coolTL is town, Rels is scum and I go after him. Then I'll look into Shining.
3 bis. Moosy says he is filter diving Shining 35 hours ago, still no result:
On October 04 2015 06:12 MoosyDoosy wrote: ok wat let me read Shining's filter
On October 05 2015 04:25 Trfel wrote: MoosyDoosy, I don't really feel like reading your filter, and my memory is terrible.
Would you mind stating your reads on everyone? No reasons are necessary, I'll ask for reasons for a few specific people next.
rsoultin - town Moosy - blue Trfel - town GlowingBear - idk rayn - town LightningStrike - Mafia Rels - Mafia sicklucker - town Shining - idk
It doesn't make sense on three points: - Moosy associates himself with Shining, who was universally townread at the time; yet he never once calls Shining town (or mafia, for what it's worth) - Shining and Moosy had a lot of interactions, so it is weird that Moosy does not have any idea about Shining's alignement at any point in the game - Moosy said he was going to filter dive Shining 35 hours ago when a Shining switch was discussed; still hasn't done it
rsoultin's reasons for scumreading me mostly based on meta that is easily disproved by a meta check
On October 05 2015 06:56 rsoultin wrote: Rels - his investment is small, his brain has left the building, he doesn't even know his own mind and claims that he was having doubts on cool before the wall post of fluff where nothing in his posting leading up to that indicates that he plans to consider lynching anyone but cool (scumreads aside, just check his filter). his push on cool was asinine given cool had said many times that he'd played on whatever that site is, SC2, that is pretty roles based. must be a smurf or a lurker. tch. he keeps missing things from context that either strongly suggests he doesn't care what he's reading, is deliberately ignoring it, or is only reading filters and not the thread. lynch with fire
Most of this is based on the fact I should be playing smarter, and I should push my reads harder. This could be a valid accusation if I was always playing like that as town. But a simple meta check on my past games would have made her doubt.
In two games where I was town, I didn't push my scumreads hard, and almost got lynched for that in both games. Newbie student Mafia XI => Day 1, I didn't hard push a scumread, defaulting to geript because I wasn't available at deadline. I was almost lynched D1 for that; if batsnacks hadn't found a non existent "slip" on geript, I would have been the lynch. That changed D2 when I started to play like usual. The New Personality Mafia => Day 1, I didn't do shit. I was suspected heavily and almost lynched D2 for that; if yamato wasn't jester and rayn didn't create a stupid reason to townread yamato and hammer me, I was probably dead. That changed EOD2 when I started playing like usual.
And in the only game I was mafia: Season of the Witch 2 => Day 1, I was the driving force on Dandel's push, and managed to get him mislynched.
Now in this game: I didn't hard push coolTLname D1 because I was not available to play most of EOD, only coming back near deadline; and because before leaving work, I pushed rsoultin, before re evaluating, and thus didn't have time to do a proper push on coolTLname. Nevertheless, I would have lynched him if Damdred hadn't counterclaim. Starting D2, I started playing like usual, so I don't know if this "asinine" comment also refered to my push on coolTLname D2; if that's the case, that's false; you can see me debating with Trfel about coolTLname around 32 hours after start of D2 for example.
rsoultin said she based her feeling on the coaching she did to me:
On October 04 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote: I'm sorry, I tried to explain that coolTLname was town.
If I were better at this game I would have been able to explain it.
CoolTLname, I'm sorry. I really tried.
I think that no lynch here might be the right play, actually. Let's go with that.
And I think Rels might get a permanent townread because he's the only person in this game that I've actually enjoyed playing with. I'd rather lose to mafia!Rels than lynch him, honestly.
meh idk
like why is his assumption when a huge post full of fluff gets posted near EoD that the player must be town?
OK rsoultin please read the following very carefully.
You are a very annoying person to play with
Yesterday I've made a number of things, things that Trfel that you consider confirmed town kinda did as well; and each time, you found a reason mafia!me would do it.
I said I would lynch Shining or Moosy, maybe Shining before Moosy; you thought it was scummy. But when "confirmed town" Trfel says he wants to lynch Shining, he's still town. I thought coolTLname as a bused mafia wouldn't make these giant posts before dying; and you think it was scummy. But when "confirmed town" Trfel fought for people not to lynch coolTLname, he's still town.
Please stop bias confirming every action I make as mafia.
the how is more important than the what, rels. i'm not sure about you. that may bother you but it is what it is. the fact of the matter is that to me truffle is all but confirmed town, both in how he's played the entire game and in how the votes fell when we were the two being pushed for lynch d1
that you don't grasp that i didn't see how your evidence for your shining vs. your evidence for moosy resulted in you wanting to lynch shining first, and that you couldn't explain it to me beyond "he's not posting as much" when just a simple look through the database (if you don't believe the rest of us) would show that shining will never post as much as moosy, is blah
it's unworthy of your intelligence
as for the thing with cool...maybe that's something a town player can see in his post, i don't know. the way you reacted seemed unnatural to me, especially for someone who was apparently so certain that cool was mafia. truffle already that cool was town so from him i can see it more, but for you to completely reverse your read based on a giant "will" post that was no more than summarizing things for pages...
i don't get it
maybe you should explain it instead of whining that i'm not treating you equally when you're not equal with truffle
i knew he was town when he posted it again, because for some unknown reason he thought it was important enough to do so when he was definitely dying, but it looked a lot like a substanceless hail mary to me and i have a hard time seeing people who are scumreading him and aren't purely emotional, surface-level intellect players reacting the way you did
sorry if this comes off condescending. i frankly think it's beneath you, though, and i know you're a very rational person because i coached you
So the accusation might be justified from her POV, if she hasn't read the three games above. But the fact that she did not bother to check other games and decided to apply meta from a coach session is super weird.
On October 05 2015 19:26 GlowingBear wrote: Rels, it's lylo. Who is the scummiest?
it's still evolving as I'm going through stuff; but Shining is the scummiest. And if he's scum, Moosy is scum, because their mutual reads of each other would suddenly make sense. Will do a post on that
Shining's and Moosy's reads on each other makes sense if they are both scum
For why Shining's read on Moosy doesn't make sense, see this post For why Moosy's read on Shining doesn't make sense, see this post
Resume: Shining suspects Moosy on several points; asks Moosy about them; drops them after Moosy gives an explanation. His sudden townread on Moosy is based on a Moosy's explanation that makes "slightly more sense" than the scum accusation and a mindmeld.
Moosy had Shining as null the whole game, never stating a read on him. But he associated with him when Shining was universally townread; and he started showing doubts when Shining was a potential switch. He stated he was reading Shining's filter at EOD2 35 hours ago, and still haven't show anything that proves it; in his last list EON2, ~14 hours ago, Shining was "idk".
Now all of this makes sense if they are scum partners. 1. Shining's stronger push (maybe outside of coolTLname) was on Moosy. That is a classic scum partner tell, as it is easier to scumread a scum partner than a townie that will fight back. His only arguably stronger push was on coolTLname, who was already pushed by 90% of the players and wouldn't fight back. The way he handled that Moosy push is also scum partner indicative: asking him questions about something shady, accepting his explanation at face value, dropping the accusation. His final read on Moosy during D2 was town, over reasons that don't make sense (see the post above); since then he has been accepting Moosy as town, and chatted with him, never showing any suspicion about him.
2. Moosy's refused to take a stance on Shining even once during the whole game. That also is a classic scum partner scum tell, as it's easier to not give a read on your partner just in case; whatever happens, you can change your read on him depending on the thread sentiment. The way he chatted and associated himself with Shining is incoherent with him not townreading him. Last thing, Moosy saying he is reading Shining filter EOD2, not saying anything about it since that time, and still putting him at null at EON2 is also indicative, as he's deflecting his scumreads on other people (LS, Rels) while avoiding the filter dive he said he was doing on his partner.
Conclusion Shining and MoosyDoosy are mafia partners.
MoosyDoosy's reasons for scumreading me are partly based on meta that are easily disproved by a meta check; and Moosy read the town games that disproved this meta
On October 05 2015 04:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: Rels - Completely different from how he normally acts. When pursuing a scum read, he drops it immediately after one explanation which is very uncharacteristic of Rels. He also changes around his story to match the situation. There is no way that screaming about a person's supposedly scummy behavior is supposed to be a "town read". The whole time he was arguing with me, he continuously tried to fish for things as well. At this point, his scum read on me is forced.
The part about "I should be playing smarter and push scumreads harder" are dismissed for the same reasons I've explained here.
Resume
On October 05 2015 19:25 Rels wrote: Most of this is based on the fact I should be playing smarter, and I should push my reads harder. This could be a valid accusation if I was always playing like that as town. But a simple meta check on my past games would have made her doubt.
In two games where I was town, I didn't push my scumreads hard, and almost got lynched for that in both games. Newbie student Mafia XI => Day 1, I didn't hard push a scumread, defaulting to geript because I wasn't available at deadline. I was almost lynched D1 for that; if batsnacks hadn't found a non existent "slip" on geript, I would have been the lynch. That changed D2 when I started to play like usual. The New Personality Mafia => Day 1, I didn't do shit. I was suspected heavily and almost lynched D2 for that; if yamato wasn't jester and rayn didn't create a stupid reason to townread yamato and hammer me, I was probably dead. That changed EOD2 when I started playing like usual.
And in the only game I was mafia: Season of the Witch 2 => Day 1, I was the driving force on Dandel's push, and managed to get him mislynched.
So Moosy should know I can act like that as town. Especially if I don't have the time to play at deadline, as it was the case both Newbie XI and in this game.
Well I've said all I had to say about my scumreads; Shining and Moosy. Don't know who is the third, POE indicating rsoultin, LS or sicklucker.
Going to lunch, when I come back I'll read my townreads' filters so that's out of the way: rayn and GB. I'm pretty sure I won't change my read on them; actually I'm afraid to read their filters with town confirming bias ... I'll try my best to judge things impartially.
Rels, you really are a dumb if you think my read progression on Shining doesn't make sense.
A. I hard townread Shining. B. When literally everyone else suspects Shining, what am I supposed to do? Be like: oh I still townread him, screw reconsidering. Hello? Obviously not. That's anti-town and super scummy. I said I'd read his filter again just to make sure my townread was correct.
1. Both of those thing are proven false in my posts. 2. They are not directed to you anyway. If anybody starts thinking something I've said is false, say it and we'll talk about it.
On October 05 2015 20:53 rsoultin wrote: nh...maybe
pretty sure shining is not scum but maybe you're not either @.@ i guess i'll poke through those games later
ftr rels i usually don't do meta reads on games i haven't played in. that's why i enlisted ls to do it. i feel like most times it's just shit cause i haven't actually been part of those games and don't know the atmosphere/context
really, though, that doesn't negate my suspicions on you? you really didn't appear to care who actually got lynched, which is even weirder cause in your world, everyone being voted for was town. and people who don't care between town mislynches while having townreads among them are usually mafia
and you forgetting what changed your scumread on cool to a townread is completely unbelievable, bah
just keep working if you're town. i guess i need to look into shining again to be sure i'm not defending scum but it's not gonna happen until after school
@GB - my reads post says it all
and frankly, even if i'm wrong on shining and moosy which is possible i guess, scum is still between you two and sicklucker and sicklucker's voting for shining
like i'm either really wrong or i'm wrong on just moosy and you two hard townreading each other without reconsidering is going to lose the game just as surely, and that you two do have these hard townreads on each other is making me itchy
ls is never scum here. he's just not -_- never ever ever
let's just stop talking to each other. I've explained where my coolTLname read came from: I've showed where he convinced me he was not a lurker reader, so it lessens my scumread. You don't believe it, fine. You are super frustrating to talk to and I don't want to do it anymore.
On October 05 2015 20:53 rsoultin wrote: nh...maybe
pretty sure shining is not scum but maybe you're not either @.@ i guess i'll poke through those games later
ftr rels i usually don't do meta reads on games i haven't played in. that's why i enlisted ls to do it. i feel like most times it's just shit cause i haven't actually been part of those games and don't know the atmosphere/context
really, though, that doesn't negate my suspicions on you? you really didn't appear to care who actually got lynched, which is even weirder cause in your world, everyone being voted for was town. and people who don't care between town mislynches while having townreads among them are usually mafia
and you forgetting what changed your scumread on cool to a townread is completely unbelievable, bah
just keep working if you're town. i guess i need to look into shining again to be sure i'm not defending scum but it's not gonna happen until after school
@GB - my reads post says it all
and frankly, even if i'm wrong on shining and moosy which is possible i guess, scum is still between you two and sicklucker and sicklucker's voting for shining
like i'm either really wrong or i'm wrong on just moosy and you two hard townreading each other without reconsidering is going to lose the game just as surely, and that you two do have these hard townreads on each other is making me itchy
ls is never scum here. he's just not -_- never ever ever
let's just stop talking to each other. I've explained where my coolTLname read came from: I've showed where he convinced me he was not a lurker reader, so it lessens my scumread. You don't believe it, fine. You are super frustrating to talk to and I don't want to do it anymore.
this response makes very little sense given i'm wavering on my scumread on you. it's almost like you didn't read it all the way through
Yes while saying something I've explained was "unbelievable". If you have questions, I'll answer them. If you have other reasons to scumread me, I'll answer them. But I'm tired of you trying to find scum motivation on things that don't me scum.
Rels, you really are a dumb if you think my read progression on Shining doesn't make sense.
A. I hard townread Shining. B. When literally everyone else suspects Shining, what am I supposed to do? Be like: oh I still townread him, screw reconsidering. Hello? Obviously not. That's anti-town and super scummy. I said I'd read his filter again just to make sure my townread was correct.
1. Both of those thing are proven false in my posts. 2. They are not directed to you anyway. If anybody starts thinking something I've said is false, say it and we'll talk about it.
Very well, in the next game we play together I will never change my initial reads -bows-
OK. Prove to me you initially hard townread Shining.
On October 05 2015 21:03 MoosyDoosy wrote: -facepalm-
rsoul taking my claim seriously -ahhh-
LS and rsoul are both town.
...why do you fake-claim as town -_- like what possible purpose could there be for that? i don't even really see a good reason to fake-claim as scum cause you can't know there isn't a real blue and the question of being alive becomes a question, but if you die, what's the fucking benefit we're still in damn lylo ><
-facepalms-
rsoultin if I started to doubt the fact that you coudln't see the obvious fact that the blue claim was fake, would you be frustrated ? Because it's what I felt when you doubted I coudln't see that GB's switch to Shining was part of the plan I'm not trying to shit on you, but I want you to understand why I'm frustrated
On October 05 2015 20:54 MoosyDoosy wrote: Just some random thoughts:
The Trfel kill was probably an attempt to kill blue but they got the wrong guy (itsa me Mario!) Anyway, there are several reasons why rayn is alive: 1. He is Mafia 2. He said he would RNG and they believed him 3. They were going after the blue role The 1st only becomes serious when rayn lives the next night. I'm inclined to think it's the 3rd as the 2nd doesn't make much sense.
Also, as Trfel was town and one of the people trying to push off of coolTLname, there should be a Mafia that also tried to push off of coolTL.
yeah you can add that rayn's been tunneling me all game and not reading rels or gb or sicklucker scum to this list
and if rayn's scum this game i'm going to feel like a moron cause i've let him just shit on me constantly thinking he's misguided town with a bug up his arse @.@
Doesn't sound like WBG in Himalayas? Anyways I finally found some motivation to check Rel's meta and see what he pointing is true but warning it might take some time since he had a large filter for pretty much all his games -_-
Mm. So you want to check what I'm pointing is true. I pointed that I was the main force behind Dandel's mislynch. And I found weird that you have forgotten that, especially since you were one of the other lynch candidates.
On October 05 2015 20:53 rsoultin wrote: nh...maybe
pretty sure shining is not scum but maybe you're not either @.@ i guess i'll poke through those games later
ftr rels i usually don't do meta reads on games i haven't played in. that's why i enlisted ls to do it. i feel like most times it's just shit cause i haven't actually been part of those games and don't know the atmosphere/context
really, though, that doesn't negate my suspicions on you? you really didn't appear to care who actually got lynched, which is even weirder cause in your world, everyone being voted for was town. and people who don't care between town mislynches while having townreads among them are usually mafia
and you forgetting what changed your scumread on cool to a townread is completely unbelievable, bah
just keep working if you're town. i guess i need to look into shining again to be sure i'm not defending scum but it's not gonna happen until after school
@GB - my reads post says it all
and frankly, even if i'm wrong on shining and moosy which is possible i guess, scum is still between you two and sicklucker and sicklucker's voting for shining
like i'm either really wrong or i'm wrong on just moosy and you two hard townreading each other without reconsidering is going to lose the game just as surely, and that you two do have these hard townreads on each other is making me itchy
ls is never scum here. he's just not -_- never ever ever
let's just stop talking to each other. I've explained where my coolTLname read came from: I've showed where he convinced me he was not a lurker reader, so it lessens my scumread. You don't believe it, fine. You are super frustrating to talk to and I don't want to do it anymore.
this response makes very little sense given i'm wavering on my scumread on you. it's almost like you didn't read it all the way through
Yes while saying something I've explained was "unbelievable". If you have questions, I'll answer them. If you have other reasons to scumread me, I'll answer them. But I'm tired of you trying to find scum motivation on things that don't me scum.
uh huh. "i secretly was wavering on my scumread while saying i was still going to lynch cool just moments before without any doubts expressed and you really have to just trust that this was so based on faith but oh shining is scum because he trusted what his scumread said based on faith"
this is bullocks -_-
OK. That's true you can infer that from what I posted. I've shown you the thing that lessened my scumread, in addition to Trfel, marv and GB all saying this lynch was too EZ to be true. You don't believe it. I think we can close this.
On October 05 2015 20:54 MoosyDoosy wrote: Just some random thoughts:
The Trfel kill was probably an attempt to kill blue but they got the wrong guy (itsa me Mario!) Anyway, there are several reasons why rayn is alive: 1. He is Mafia 2. He said he would RNG and they believed him 3. They were going after the blue role The 1st only becomes serious when rayn lives the next night. I'm inclined to think it's the 3rd as the 2nd doesn't make much sense.
Also, as Trfel was town and one of the people trying to push off of coolTLname, there should be a Mafia that also tried to push off of coolTL.
yeah you can add that rayn's been tunneling me all game and not reading rels or gb or sicklucker scum to this list
and if rayn's scum this game i'm going to feel like a moron cause i've let him just shit on me constantly thinking he's misguided town with a bug up his arse @.@
Doesn't sound like WBG in Himalayas? Anyways I finally found some motivation to check Rel's meta and see what he pointing is true but warning it might take some time since he had a large filter for pretty much all his games -_-
Mm. So you want to check what I'm pointing is true. I pointed that I was the main force behind Dandel's mislynch. And I found weird that you have forgotten that, especially since you were one of the other lynch candidates.
I kinda forgot how we ended up lynching Dandel and who drove it honestly because it was a lynch out of nowhere pretty much. Anyways I on your first game ever and you had a small filter so that is easy to check for stuff.
Yeah I was killed so quickly )= But I didn't point my first game ever as counter evidence; I've pointed out Newbie XI and Personality mafia.
On October 05 2015 21:03 MoosyDoosy wrote: -facepalm-
rsoul taking my claim seriously -ahhh-
LS and rsoul are both town.
...why do you fake-claim as town -_- like what possible purpose could there be for that? i don't even really see a good reason to fake-claim as scum cause you can't know there isn't a real blue and the question of being alive becomes a question, but if you die, what's the fucking benefit we're still in damn lylo ><
-facepalms-
rsoultin if I started to doubt the fact that you coudln't see the obvious fact that the blue claim was fake, would you be frustrated ? Because it's what I felt when you doubted I coudln't see that GB's switch to Shining was part of the plan I'm not trying to shit on you, but I want you to understand why I'm frustrated
it's actually not obvious that md's claim was fake
if he were a vet, and with a 1-shot tracker and a full cop that's actually not a crazy setup with the strongarm mechanic for mafia, cause i would expect some sort of kp-fucking role still lurking in this setup tbh
his claim was a little obvious in that sense but would make sense and honestly that was the explanation that made the most sense so i thought it to be the most likely
you not being able to read is another beast entirely. like seriously, just OPEN gb's filter from near EoD and try to explain to me how that wasn't fucking crystal clear unless you're just skimming and not paying an ounce of attention
you know that is exactly why I want us to not talk anymore p: I've explained why I thought that, and I thought it was super obvious Moosy was fake claiming. We can close this too, contrary to you I don't think you not seeing Moosy's claim is fake is alignement indicative, lying or not. I don't see any scum motivation to do that.
On October 05 2015 21:17 rsoultin wrote: at least he's not just rnging bah -_-
lol
On October 05 2015 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay this is seriously my last post this phase. We are going to lost the game because the-one-whose-name-we-don't-mention is going to vote wrong.
On October 05 2015 20:53 rsoultin wrote: nh...maybe
pretty sure shining is not scum but maybe you're not either @.@ i guess i'll poke through those games later
ftr rels i usually don't do meta reads on games i haven't played in. that's why i enlisted ls to do it. i feel like most times it's just shit cause i haven't actually been part of those games and don't know the atmosphere/context
really, though, that doesn't negate my suspicions on you? you really didn't appear to care who actually got lynched, which is even weirder cause in your world, everyone being voted for was town. and people who don't care between town mislynches while having townreads among them are usually mafia
and you forgetting what changed your scumread on cool to a townread is completely unbelievable, bah
just keep working if you're town. i guess i need to look into shining again to be sure i'm not defending scum but it's not gonna happen until after school
@GB - my reads post says it all
and frankly, even if i'm wrong on shining and moosy which is possible i guess, scum is still between you two and sicklucker and sicklucker's voting for shining
like i'm either really wrong or i'm wrong on just moosy and you two hard townreading each other without reconsidering is going to lose the game just as surely, and that you two do have these hard townreads on each other is making me itchy
ls is never scum here. he's just not -_- never ever ever
let's just stop talking to each other. I've explained where my coolTLname read came from: I've showed where he convinced me he was not a lurker reader, so it lessens my scumread. You don't believe it, fine. You are super frustrating to talk to and I don't want to do it anymore.
this response makes very little sense given i'm wavering on my scumread on you. it's almost like you didn't read it all the way through
Yes while saying something I've explained was "unbelievable". If you have questions, I'll answer them. If you have other reasons to scumread me, I'll answer them. But I'm tired of you trying to find scum motivation on things that don't me scum.
uh huh. "i secretly was wavering on my scumread while saying i was still going to lynch cool just moments before without any doubts expressed and you really have to just trust that this was so based on faith but oh shining is scum because he trusted what his scumread said based on faith"
this is bullocks -_-
OK. That's true you can infer that from what I posted. I've shown you the thing that lessened my scumread, in addition to Trfel, marv and GB all saying this lynch was too EZ to be true. You don't believe it. I think we can close this.
yes posthumously while in both posts saying you still wanted to lynch cool over your other scumreads like it could be true that in your head this made you doubt but there's no evidence at all to support that. the evidence shows you were clinging to your scumread despite that and a giant wall of fluff caused your read change
tch
i dunnae i don't have time to review this right now tbh. i'll look into your prior games later
is it normal for you to not care about townreads getting lynched, too? do you normally just focus on a scumread and let everyone do whatever the fuck they want if you think they're wrong and mislynching? d2 suggests otherwise...now i'm thinking through typing. if you have an example of it in your town games now is the time to point to that
No. WTF nobody is OK with townreads getting lynched. I've thought coolTLname was mafia over moosy and Shining until his wall post, after which I realized marv Trfel and GB (even if he didn't believe it) were right; no way a bused mafia would do that. OK let me dig up a Trfel post explaning exactly that.
On October 03 2015 16:15 Rels wrote: lol I agree that it's a bus and it's weird, actually that's why I switched off him last night. But I'm pretty sure he said several times now he wouldn't bother coming back, and if that's the case your argument is flawed wait a minute I will quote some things
No, my argument isn't flawed, he would have quit much, much, much, much earlier if he were mafia. He wouldn't have stuck through all of those arguments with raynpelikoneet. My argument is strong.
this. In the nested quoted you can see me admitting that this bus feels weird.
On October 05 2015 20:54 MoosyDoosy wrote: Just some random thoughts:
The Trfel kill was probably an attempt to kill blue but they got the wrong guy (itsa me Mario!) Anyway, there are several reasons why rayn is alive: 1. He is Mafia 2. He said he would RNG and they believed him 3. They were going after the blue role The 1st only becomes serious when rayn lives the next night. I'm inclined to think it's the 3rd as the 2nd doesn't make much sense.
Also, as Trfel was town and one of the people trying to push off of coolTLname, there should be a Mafia that also tried to push off of coolTL.
yeah you can add that rayn's been tunneling me all game and not reading rels or gb or sicklucker scum to this list
and if rayn's scum this game i'm going to feel like a moron cause i've let him just shit on me constantly thinking he's misguided town with a bug up his arse @.@
Doesn't sound like WBG in Himalayas? Anyways I finally found some motivation to check Rel's meta and see what he pointing is true but warning it might take some time since he had a large filter for pretty much all his games -_-
Mm. So you want to check what I'm pointing is true. I pointed that I was the main force behind Dandel's mislynch. And I found weird that you have forgotten that, especially since you were one of the other lynch candidates.
I kinda forgot how we ended up lynching Dandel and who drove it honestly because it was a lynch out of nowhere pretty much. Anyways I on your first game ever and you had a small filter so that is easy to check for stuff.
Yeah I was killed so quickly )= But I didn't point my first game ever as counter evidence; I've pointed out Newbie XI and Personality mafia.
I on XI atm and noticed already on page 1 you started to push for Fake)Plant's lynch. Just stopping by letting you know.
On September 30 2015 05:52 Rels wrote: still this more or less:
On September 29 2015 21:21 Rels wrote: This first post by coolTLname is super scummy. It is his first post, and he talks about a lot of differents subjects. A first post with different subjects is scum indicative as mafia usually has a hard time entering the thread. Plus, I don't know how GB's posts being mechanical and rayn's posts being mechanical are mixed up. Plus, he agrees on a Moosy's posts that I don't understand. Plus, he next post is scummy too:
On September 29 2015 16:47 coolTLname wrote: So i noticed mafia can hold their KP, this makes claiming Roleblock and framing someone possible, as well as fake vet claims. Anyway i propose anyone who claims a blue role to be lynched automatically, if there is no kill , better to leave it in the dark?
Can medics heal themselves?
Two useless questions. After that he posted one more time and gtfo.
without the Moosy part Plus he has refused to explain his weird GF read on you, so I cannot know if he has a reasonning behind it Plus he's clearly trolling, I don't know why a town under suspicion would act like that. But Dandel did exactly that last game, so that makes me wary of lynching him
We didn't talk about him a lot recently, but I haven't forgot him. I want to see rsoultin's case on GB though, the thing about Damdred's meta being wrong on purpose. See you!
##Unvote ##Vote coolTLname
Then late into the day, I'm catching up. Almost as the same time I'm caught up marv posts this:
On October 05 2015 21:31 rsoultin wrote: also i really need you to fully explain your gb reasoning, because i think shining and gb are opposite alignments for sure just as i think you and md are opposite alignments for sure @.@
On October 05 2015 21:31 rsoultin wrote: also i really need you to fully explain your gb reasoning, because i think shining and gb are opposite alignments for sure just as i think you and md are opposite alignments for sure @.@
I hope you are not talking to me ???
you HAVE to be talking to me 1. what do you think my read on GB is ? 2. explain 1. with quotes
On October 05 2015 21:31 rsoultin wrote: also i really need you to fully explain your gb reasoning, because i think shining and gb are opposite alignments for sure just as i think you and md are opposite alignments for sure @.@
I hope you are not talking to me ???
apparently i'm being an imbecile for some reason?
why is gb town to you?
oh no slip. I thought you infered I thought GB was mafia I think GB is town because he took the risk of people switching to Shining yesterday and because I think Shining is mafia.
On October 05 2015 21:31 rsoultin wrote: also i really need you to fully explain your gb reasoning, because i think shining and gb are opposite alignments for sure just as i think you and md are opposite alignments for sure @.@
I hope you are not talking to me ???
you HAVE to be talking to me 1. what do you think my read on GB is ? 2. explain 1. with quotes
dude i'm not pushing you for it -_- i'm trying to see your reasoning if it's more than just shining is mafia and they can't be mafia together, cause if i'm wrong and i vote for town we've got a problem
calm down
I thought you slipped (= finding decisive evidence always makes me excited
On October 05 2015 21:42 rsoultin wrote: yeah -_- associative
damn
okay i'm just gonna reread everything again
on the plus side
we either lynch into gb/rels or shining/md
that's two scum right there lol ><
i just want to be sure i'm lynching into the right one @.@
WTF there is one mafia in GB / Shining, I can see that Why the fuck would there be one on GB / Rels ? And more importantly, why would there be one in Shining / MD ? Their mutual reads on each other makes a lot of sense as partners
On October 05 2015 21:45 rsoultin wrote: hn...i dunnae maybe that's not completely solid is it?
rels can't be scum with md cause d2 gb can't be scum with shining cause d2
one could be erroneously townreading the other, though
so actually it's rels or md....and then shining or gb
so i think today we have to decide between shining and gb to vote cause rayn's an ass and has decided for us by voting right out the gate, while not doing anything else other than looking for rsoul scumslips @.@
On October 05 2015 21:42 rsoultin wrote: we either lynch into gb/rels or shining/md
that's two scum right there lol ><
that's not making sense If GB can't be scum with Shining and GB can't be scum with Rels and Rels can't be scum with Moosy Then your scumteam is Shining / Rels
On October 05 2015 21:45 rsoultin wrote: hn...i dunnae maybe that's not completely solid is it?
rels can't be scum with md cause d2 gb can't be scum with shining cause d2
one could be erroneously townreading the other, though
so actually it's rels or md....and then shining or gb
so i think today we have to decide between shining and gb to vote cause rayn's an ass and has decided for us by voting right out the gate, while not doing anything else other than looking for rsoul scumslips @.@
On October 05 2015 21:42 rsoultin wrote: we either lynch into gb/rels or shining/md
that's two scum right there lol ><
that's not making sense If GB can't be scum with Shining and GB can't be scum with Rels and Rels can't be scum with Moosy Then your scumteam is Shining / Rels
Oh you meant the team were either GB / Rels or GB / Shining My bad
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On October 05 2015 21:47 LightningStrike wrote: Something to note on Newbie Student Mafia XI: He did push for a Fake)Plant lynch before Fake)Plant had replaced out. He did default to a Geript lynch since he wasn't around EoD 1 there on Page 4 of his filter but then he played like his normal(I think). On New Personality he didn't really do much except for some mini cases until Night 2. so I can confirm that.
OK thanks. Now why do you think of Moosy playing Newbie XI and obsing personality, but still scumreading me because I'm not pushing my lynch hard enough ?
On October 05 2015 20:12 Rels wrote: MoosyDoosy's reasons for scumreading me are partly based on meta that are easily disproved by a meta check; and Moosy read the town games that disproved this meta
On October 05 2015 04:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: Rels - Completely different from how he normally acts. When pursuing a scum read, he drops it immediately after one explanation which is very uncharacteristic of Rels. He also changes around his story to match the situation. There is no way that screaming about a person's supposedly scummy behavior is supposed to be a "town read". The whole time he was arguing with me, he continuously tried to fish for things as well. At this point, his scum read on me is forced.
The part about "I should be playing smarter and push scumreads harder" are dismissed for the same reasons I've explained here.
On October 05 2015 19:25 Rels wrote: Most of this is based on the fact I should be playing smarter, and I should push my reads harder. This could be a valid accusation if I was always playing like that as town. But a simple meta check on my past games would have made her doubt.
In two games where I was town, I didn't push my scumreads hard, and almost got lynched for that in both games. Newbie student Mafia XI => Day 1, I didn't hard push a scumread, defaulting to geript because I wasn't available at deadline. I was almost lynched D1 for that; if batsnacks hadn't found a non existent "slip" on geript, I would have been the lynch. That changed D2 when I started to play like usual. The New Personality Mafia => Day 1, I didn't do shit. I was suspected heavily and almost lynched D2 for that; if yamato wasn't jester and rayn didn't create a stupid reason to townread yamato and hammer me, I was probably dead. That changed EOD2 when I started playing like usual.
And in the only game I was mafia: Season of the Witch 2 => Day 1, I was the driving force on Dandel's push, and managed to get him mislynched.
So Moosy should know I can act like that as town. Especially if I don't have the time to play at deadline, as it was the case both Newbie XI and in this game.
On October 05 2015 21:45 rsoultin wrote: hn...i dunnae maybe that's not completely solid is it?
rels can't be scum with md cause d2 gb can't be scum with shining cause d2
one could be erroneously townreading the other, though
so actually it's rels or md....and then shining or gb
so i think today we have to decide between shining and gb to vote cause rayn's an ass and has decided for us by voting right out the gate, while not doing anything else other than looking for rsoul scumslips @.@
On October 05 2015 21:42 rsoultin wrote: we either lynch into gb/rels or shining/md
that's two scum right there lol ><
that's not making sense If GB can't be scum with Shining and GB can't be scum with Rels and Rels can't be scum with Moosy Then your scumteam is Shining / Rels
Oh you meant the team were either GB / Rels or GB / Shining My bad
-squints at-
no i mean exactly what i said?
you or md is mafia
gb or shining is mafia
but sl is voting for shining. the thing is, that matters less now than if he ends that way, cause he can just move his vote last minute this is annoying ><
like if i could get rayn to vote for sl we'd be fine but he won't cause he's been tunneled on me all game so he's going to sit there crowing that he's right till the end of time
Then I don't understand this two sentences:
On October 05 2015 21:42 rsoultin wrote: we either lynch into gb/rels or shining/md
On October 05 2015 21:47 LightningStrike wrote: Something to note on Newbie Student Mafia XI: He did push for a Fake)Plant lynch before Fake)Plant had replaced out. He did default to a Geript lynch since he wasn't around EoD 1 there on Page 4 of his filter but then he played like his normal(I think). On New Personality he didn't really do much except for some mini cases until Night 2. so I can confirm that.
OK thanks. Now why do you think of Moosy playing Newbie XI and obsing personality, but still scumreading me because I'm not pushing my lynch hard enough ?
On October 05 2015 20:12 Rels wrote: MoosyDoosy's reasons for scumreading me are partly based on meta that are easily disproved by a meta check; and Moosy read the town games that disproved this meta
On October 05 2015 04:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: Rels - Completely different from how he normally acts. When pursuing a scum read, he drops it immediately after one explanation which is very uncharacteristic of Rels. He also changes around his story to match the situation. There is no way that screaming about a person's supposedly scummy behavior is supposed to be a "town read". The whole time he was arguing with me, he continuously tried to fish for things as well. At this point, his scum read on me is forced.
The part about "I should be playing smarter and push scumreads harder" are dismissed for the same reasons I've explained here.
Resume
On October 05 2015 19:25 Rels wrote: Most of this is based on the fact I should be playing smarter, and I should push my reads harder. This could be a valid accusation if I was always playing like that as town. But a simple meta check on my past games would have made her doubt.
In two games where I was town, I didn't push my scumreads hard, and almost got lynched for that in both games. Newbie student Mafia XI => Day 1, I didn't hard push a scumread, defaulting to geript because I wasn't available at deadline. I was almost lynched D1 for that; if batsnacks hadn't found a non existent "slip" on geript, I would have been the lynch. That changed D2 when I started to play like usual. The New Personality Mafia => Day 1, I didn't do shit. I was suspected heavily and almost lynched D2 for that; if yamato wasn't jester and rayn didn't create a stupid reason to townread yamato and hammer me, I was probably dead. That changed EOD2 when I started playing like usual.
And in the only game I was mafia: Season of the Witch 2 => Day 1, I was the driving force on Dandel's push, and managed to get him mislynched.
So Moosy should know I can act like that as town. Especially if I don't have the time to play at deadline, as it was the case both Newbie XI and in this game.
Sometimes people do forget and sometimes people misrepresent people although normally not on purpose and I see you think he's misrepresenting you correct? If so does that make him town or mafia?
That makes him mafia because the situation in both game were similar. In both games, I didn't push my scumread D1, but I voted on a mislynch. In particular it is very similar to Newbie XI, which he was playing in. I defaulted to geript and left the thread. Exactly like D1 here, where I defaulted to coolTLname and left the thread. So him saying I'm mafia partly because I didn't push my scumreads hard enough is him using meta that he should know is false.
On October 05 2015 21:47 LightningStrike wrote: Something to note on Newbie Student Mafia XI: He did push for a Fake)Plant lynch before Fake)Plant had replaced out. He did default to a Geript lynch since he wasn't around EoD 1 there on Page 4 of his filter but then he played like his normal(I think). On New Personality he didn't really do much except for some mini cases until Night 2. so I can confirm that.
OK thanks. Now why do you think of Moosy playing Newbie XI and obsing personality, but still scumreading me because I'm not pushing my lynch hard enough ?
On October 05 2015 20:12 Rels wrote: MoosyDoosy's reasons for scumreading me are partly based on meta that are easily disproved by a meta check; and Moosy read the town games that disproved this meta
On October 05 2015 04:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: Rels - Completely different from how he normally acts. When pursuing a scum read, he drops it immediately after one explanation which is very uncharacteristic of Rels. He also changes around his story to match the situation. There is no way that screaming about a person's supposedly scummy behavior is supposed to be a "town read". The whole time he was arguing with me, he continuously tried to fish for things as well. At this point, his scum read on me is forced.
The part about "I should be playing smarter and push scumreads harder" are dismissed for the same reasons I've explained here.
Resume
On October 05 2015 19:25 Rels wrote: Most of this is based on the fact I should be playing smarter, and I should push my reads harder. This could be a valid accusation if I was always playing like that as town. But a simple meta check on my past games would have made her doubt.
In two games where I was town, I didn't push my scumreads hard, and almost got lynched for that in both games. Newbie student Mafia XI => Day 1, I didn't hard push a scumread, defaulting to geript because I wasn't available at deadline. I was almost lynched D1 for that; if batsnacks hadn't found a non existent "slip" on geript, I would have been the lynch. That changed D2 when I started to play like usual. The New Personality Mafia => Day 1, I didn't do shit. I was suspected heavily and almost lynched D2 for that; if yamato wasn't jester and rayn didn't create a stupid reason to townread yamato and hammer me, I was probably dead. That changed EOD2 when I started playing like usual.
And in the only game I was mafia: Season of the Witch 2 => Day 1, I was the driving force on Dandel's push, and managed to get him mislynched.
So Moosy should know I can act like that as town. Especially if I don't have the time to play at deadline, as it was the case both Newbie XI and in this game.
Sometimes people do forget and sometimes people misrepresent people although normally not on purpose and I see you think he's misrepresenting you correct? If so does that make him town or mafia?
That makes him mafia because the situation in both game were similar. In both games, I didn't push my scumread D1, but I voted on a mislynch. In particular it is very similar to Newbie XI, which he was playing in. I defaulted to geript and left the thread. Exactly like D1 here, where I defaulted to coolTLname and left the thread. So him saying I'm mafia partly because I didn't push my scumreads hard enough is him using meta that he should know is false.
On October 05 2015 22:07 rsoultin wrote: eh whatever i'm concentrating on determining who is scum between gb and shining today
will reread myself, make a judgment, vote for scum and apologize if i'm wrong and that ends the game...and for all our sakes i do hope i'm wrong on shining cause otherwise rayn is throwing
-_- not really anything for it
unless I'm wrong, there is 0 chance you have to apologize, since there are both scum (=
On October 05 2015 22:07 rsoultin wrote: eh whatever i'm concentrating on determining who is scum between gb and shining today
will reread myself, make a judgment, vote for scum and apologize if i'm wrong and that ends the game...and for all our sakes i do hope i'm wrong on shining cause otherwise rayn is throwing
-_- not really anything for it
unless I'm wrong, there is 0 chance you have to apologize, since there are both scum (=
fuck I thought you said moosy or shining yes there is a chance you're apologizing then
On October 05 2015 22:07 rsoultin wrote: eh whatever i'm concentrating on determining who is scum between gb and shining today
will reread myself, make a judgment, vote for scum and apologize if i'm wrong and that ends the game...and for all our sakes i do hope i'm wrong on shining cause otherwise rayn is throwing
-_- not really anything for it
unless I'm wrong, there is 0 chance you have to apologize, since there are both scum (=
if you're town, rels...and i am entertaining the possibility that you could be...can you please try to reread both gb and shining without bias like i'm trying to?
i need someone to talk to @.@ rayn would be the obvious choice but i can't for obvious reasons
I don't think I can for Shining, I've read his filter several times and I'm pretty sure he's mafia. I'm here to talk though I'm reading GB's filter right now
On October 05 2015 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##unvote ##vote rsoultin
IF YOU ARE TOWN GET YOUR VOTE THERE ASAP!!!
I will expain later when i have time.
No. That is exactly how I won season of the witch; yelling at people to vote BM. I'm pretty sure Shining and Moosy are mafia. rsoultin could be the third, but I'm never voting her over those two if you don't explain
On October 05 2015 22:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Please.
rsoultin is mafai and when she flips mafia there are no more "what if's" If we lynch Shining sure, he'll flip mafia aswell but there will be "what if's".
oh that is a incredibly detailed case, let me sheep it not
On October 05 2015 22:15 rsoultin wrote: vote for sicklucker
he's sure scum
if we can get 3 on sicklucker first then scum can't do anything ^^
game solved lol
I see how you would want to do that from your POV the problem here is I'm not sure if sicklucker or you is mafia. Or LS BTW, if you're town, you could be wrong on both LS and Shining. So no. We're voting for the two scummiest guys
On October 05 2015 22:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Please.
rsoultin is mafai and when she flips mafia there are no more "what if's" If we lynch Shining sure, he'll flip mafia aswell but there will be "what if's".
oh that is a incredibly detailed case, let me sheep it not
he's saying that i should have voted sicklucker cause sicklucker has to be scum to me and he's right lol >< not that i'm mafia but that i'm slow as fuck some days
fuck Trfel said exactly that as a reason you could be mafia
On October 04 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote: Mafia team is MoosyDoosy, sicklucker, and The Shining. Possibly rsoultin, but probably not because that would mean that I sort of did something right. I hope it's not LightningStrike.
Final answer, barring a thought or two that I'm keeping to myself.
On October 04 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote: so...we're down 4
should be down 5 unless something unexpected happens by EoN
that's 8 players
5v3...yeah fuck -_-
Seriously, how are you so far behind me?
You are NEVER behind me. I'm always the one lagging behind you.
Okay, you're mafia.
rayn, I also think rsoultin has a good chance to be mafia. But sicklucker and LS are also super scummy. LS did not do much until today; I admit him going though my past games is a town point. But SL lied about you and him being the first to push coolTLname; and more than that, he's super all over the place, not having direction.
What I'm saying is: rsoultin could be mafia. But Shining and Moosy are 99% mafia.
On October 05 2015 21:47 LightningStrike wrote: Something to note on Newbie Student Mafia XI: He did push for a Fake)Plant lynch before Fake)Plant had replaced out. He did default to a Geript lynch since he wasn't around EoD 1 there on Page 4 of his filter but then he played like his normal(I think). On New Personality he didn't really do much except for some mini cases until Night 2. so I can confirm that.
OK thanks. Now why do you think of Moosy playing Newbie XI and obsing personality, but still scumreading me because I'm not pushing my lynch hard enough ?
On October 05 2015 20:12 Rels wrote: MoosyDoosy's reasons for scumreading me are partly based on meta that are easily disproved by a meta check; and Moosy read the town games that disproved this meta
On October 05 2015 04:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: Rels - Completely different from how he normally acts. When pursuing a scum read, he drops it immediately after one explanation which is very uncharacteristic of Rels. He also changes around his story to match the situation. There is no way that screaming about a person's supposedly scummy behavior is supposed to be a "town read". The whole time he was arguing with me, he continuously tried to fish for things as well. At this point, his scum read on me is forced.
The part about "I should be playing smarter and push scumreads harder" are dismissed for the same reasons I've explained here.
Resume
On October 05 2015 19:25 Rels wrote: Most of this is based on the fact I should be playing smarter, and I should push my reads harder. This could be a valid accusation if I was always playing like that as town. But a simple meta check on my past games would have made her doubt.
In two games where I was town, I didn't push my scumreads hard, and almost got lynched for that in both games. Newbie student Mafia XI => Day 1, I didn't hard push a scumread, defaulting to geript because I wasn't available at deadline. I was almost lynched D1 for that; if batsnacks hadn't found a non existent "slip" on geript, I would have been the lynch. That changed D2 when I started to play like usual. The New Personality Mafia => Day 1, I didn't do shit. I was suspected heavily and almost lynched D2 for that; if yamato wasn't jester and rayn didn't create a stupid reason to townread yamato and hammer me, I was probably dead. That changed EOD2 when I started playing like usual.
And in the only game I was mafia: Season of the Witch 2 => Day 1, I was the driving force on Dandel's push, and managed to get him mislynched.
So Moosy should know I can act like that as town. Especially if I don't have the time to play at deadline, as it was the case both Newbie XI and in this game.
Sometimes people do forget and sometimes people misrepresent people although normally not on purpose and I see you think he's misrepresenting you correct? If so does that make him town or mafia?
That makes him mafia because the situation in both game were similar. In both games, I didn't push my scumread D1, but I voted on a mislynch. In particular it is very similar to Newbie XI, which he was playing in. I defaulted to geript and left the thread. Exactly like D1 here, where I defaulted to coolTLname and left the thread. So him saying I'm mafia partly because I didn't push my scumreads hard enough is him using meta that he should know is false.
So TLDR: His static read on Shining doesn't make sense. Weird way of thinking of the coolTLname lynching him regard of coolTLname's alignment. Lying about being the first one to push coolTLname. Calling you mafia for bad reasons plus misrepresenting your meta. That what pretty why you scumreading him?
On October 05 2015 22:24 Rels wrote: He said this exactly:
On October 04 2015 07:18 Trfel wrote:
On October 04 2015 07:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 04 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote: Mafia team is MoosyDoosy, sicklucker, and The Shining. Possibly rsoultin, but probably not because that would mean that I sort of did something right. I hope it's not LightningStrike.
Final answer, barring a thought or two that I'm keeping to myself.
^^^ Pursue that starting with me please.
On October 04 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote: so...we're down 4
should be down 5 unless something unexpected happens by EoN
that's 8 players
5v3...yeah fuck -_-
Seriously, how are you so far behind me?
You are NEVER behind me. I'm always the one lagging behind you.
Okay, you're mafia.
rayn, I also think rsoultin has a good chance to be mafia. But sicklucker and LS are also super scummy. LS did not do much until today; I admit him going though my past games is a town point. But SL lied about you and him being the first to push coolTLname; and more than that, he's super all over the place, not having direction.
What I'm saying is: rsoultin could be mafia. But Shining and Moosy are 99% mafia.
lol >< yeah it's not like he really meant it though?
i mean y'all can vote me for being stupid it's wonderfully ironic
but if rayn is really not moving
YOU HAVE TO VOTE BETWEEN ME AND SICKLUCKER
><
rayn said exactly the same thing before. He ended up switching his vote to you. I'm pretty sure he will switch to Shining or Moosy to consolidate. Or maybe I'll end up switching to you or sicklucker if a damning case is made
OK I've said why I thought rsoultin could be mafia. I only forgot to check one thing; I think she said D1 that we should not lynch Shining because he wasn't playing Monday / Tuesday; and she repeated it N2 or start of D3. Will do that now. rayn I'm not seeing how rsoultin being "slow" is scum indicative. But the fact that Trfel 1. remarked the same thing and 2. died the next night is making me wonder about that Then I'll need to do a sicklucker filter dive. rayn, I don't see how you can state he's not mafia, unless you're doing an associative read with rsoultin
On October 05 2015 22:33 Rels wrote: OK I've said why I thought rsoultin could be mafia. I only forgot to check one thing; I think she said D1 that we should not lynch Shining because he wasn't playing Monday / Tuesday; and she repeated it N2 or start of D3. Will do that now. rayn I'm not seeing how rsoultin being "slow" is scum indicative. But the fact that Trfel 1. remarked the same thing and 2. died the next night is making me wonder about that Then I'll need to do a sicklucker filter dive. rayn, I don't see how you can state he's not mafia, unless you're doing an associative read with rsoultin
...
dude truffle was obviously townreading me last night there's no way that if i'm scum i nk'd him for his read on me ><
he said ls and shining were town because he trusted me for god's sake >< like if you want to call me scum it can never be for this
yeah but he called you out on the exact thing rayn is doing right now. And I'm not seeing how that makes anyone mafia, so that must be a meta based read. anyway I'm asking that to rayn, of course you're going to deny it, as town or mafia.
On October 05 2015 22:33 Rels wrote: OK I've said why I thought rsoultin could be mafia. I only forgot to check one thing; I think she said D1 that we should not lynch Shining because he wasn't playing Monday / Tuesday; and she repeated it N2 or start of D3. Will do that now. rayn I'm not seeing how rsoultin being "slow" is scum indicative. But the fact that Trfel 1. remarked the same thing and 2. died the next night is making me wonder about that Then I'll need to do a sicklucker filter dive. rayn, I don't see how you can state he's not mafia, unless you're doing an associative read with rsoultin
...
dude truffle was obviously townreading me last night there's no way that if i'm scum i nk'd him for his read on me ><
he said ls and shining were town because he trusted me for god's sake >< like if you want to call me scum it can never be for this
yeah but he called you out on the exact thing rayn is doing right now. And I'm not seeing how that makes anyone mafia, so that must be a meta based read. anyway I'm asking that to rayn, of course you're going to deny it, as town or mafia.
actually I'm asking that to LS too. LS what's your pick on that ?
On October 05 2015 22:41 rsoultin wrote: like seriously if you want to check meta, rels
check how many fucking times rayn has tunneled me when we're both town for me saying something that's "stupid" and me being too smart to do it ><
down under 3 is in my profile -_-
i thought there was another one though...was it slam's game? eh i'm not sure anymore maybe it was just one @.@
stop answering questions that are not for you - -' I don't care if rayn has tunneled you before. I know very well he can tunnel on town, hell in season of the witch I used a tunnel of his to instant majority BM I do care about this "slow to evaluated stuff" meta point. I'm intrigued because Trfel, confirmed town and super smart guy, said exactly the same thing. So I want explanation for either rayn or LS. LS would be better as I would be sure he's not tunneled Please let people answer the questions they have been asked
On October 05 2015 22:33 Rels wrote: OK I've said why I thought rsoultin could be mafia. I only forgot to check one thing; I think she said D1 that we should not lynch Shining because he wasn't playing Monday / Tuesday; and she repeated it N2 or start of D3. Will do that now.
About the Monday / Tuesday stuff: I was wrong, she didn't defend Shining D1 when marv wanted to switch to him. She said this D3:
On October 05 2015 10:08 rsoultin wrote: so of three possible scum people want to vote the guy who doesn't have time on monday and tuesday to play
brilliant
it's a good scum move, though, not letting him defend himself ^^
rayn -_- i swear to god if shining's town and i think he is...even if he's scum really...and you just random your damn vote in fucking lylo i will be very, very upset with you
and you will never have any right again to complain about anyone playing badly or poorly when you are willfully throwing the game right now
at least do us the courtesy, if we're going to lose in lylo, of losing because you're voting for someone you actually believe is scum ><
I thought it was bad because I thought she used the exact same argument D1. She didn't though.
On October 05 2015 22:33 Rels wrote: OK I've said why I thought rsoultin could be mafia. I only forgot to check one thing; I think she said D1 that we should not lynch Shining because he wasn't playing Monday / Tuesday; and she repeated it N2 or start of D3. Will do that now. rayn I'm not seeing how rsoultin being "slow" is scum indicative. But the fact that Trfel 1. remarked the same thing and 2. died the next night is making me wonder about that Then I'll need to do a sicklucker filter dive. rayn, I don't see how you can state he's not mafia, unless you're doing an associative read with rsoultin
...
dude truffle was obviously townreading me last night there's no way that if i'm scum i nk'd him for his read on me ><
he said ls and shining were town because he trusted me for god's sake >< like if you want to call me scum it can never be for this
yeah but he called you out on the exact thing rayn is doing right now. And I'm not seeing how that makes anyone mafia, so that must be a meta based read. anyway I'm asking that to rayn, of course you're going to deny it, as town or mafia.
actually I'm asking that to LS too. LS what's your pick on that ?
We both had seen Rayn tunnel as town before regardless of the alignment of the person he's tunneling. Anyways I will check what you trying to talk about so I get a better understand on what you trying to ask me.
sure. Rayn is supposedly doing a big post; if it's about the "rsoultin is too slow on evaluating certain things" stuff, it will be based on meta, so your thoughts are important, as you know rsoultin the best. At least I think ?
On October 05 2015 22:51 MoosyDoosy wrote: rsoultin, you said gb/shining and moosy/rels and now you’re saying gb/rels and moosy/shining? exactly which is it?
read closer -_-
i said that the scumteams were gb/rels or moosy/shining but i realized that was wrong
and i'm saying there's no way that you and rels are scum together, so there's one scum between you
and there's no way that moosy and shining are scum together, so there's one scum between you
... why is there no way Shining and Moosy are scum together ?
On October 05 2015 22:54 rsoultin wrote: okay so let me explain my thought process here
it's lylo
there are 5 town
if 1 is on town we've already lost unless we pile 4 on scum before they can get on the town and just don't move for anything, cause it's whoever gets to 4 first
if shining's scum, and sicklucker's scum, if all town players are voting for scum we have to reach 3 before scum can pile on to a town player. so we can afford a 2/3 split there, which i wasn't really thinking much on cause i think shining is town
like i get why rayn thinks this makes me scum but the problem here is we absolutely have to consolidate on 2 wagons because if anyone is wrong here's what happens
1 town wagon 1 scum wagon
race to 4 votes
1 town wagon - 1 town <- scum will end up here for the win 1 scum wagon - 2 town 1 other scum wagon - 2 town
1 town wagon - 1 town <- scum will end up here 1 town wagon - 1 town <- or here 1 scum wagon - 3 town
like i get why he thinks i'm scum for not voting for sicklucker right off the bat
but LEGITIMATELY if we do not consolidate on 2 wagons we're screwed. and LEGITIMATELY we could still be screwed because if town votes for town, just one town player voting for just one town player, scum can pile on and win
this is what i was thinking, rayn, and this is why i am demanding that we lynch between me and sicklucker if you're not going to move
there's no way for us to win with more than one wagon we have to consolidate and i really wish you would try to be objective about me rayn. please fucking try ><
^ GUYS
like seriously where am i wrong here? READ THIS!!
i'm not even arguing that i'm not scum
i'm arguing that unless we consolidate on just two wagons right now we are going to fucking lose for sure
Why are you so stressed when nobody except rayn is sure you are scum ?
On October 05 2015 22:54 rsoultin wrote: okay so let me explain my thought process here
it's lylo
there are 5 town
if 1 is on town we've already lost unless we pile 4 on scum before they can get on the town and just don't move for anything, cause it's whoever gets to 4 first
if shining's scum, and sicklucker's scum, if all town players are voting for scum we have to reach 3 before scum can pile on to a town player. so we can afford a 2/3 split there, which i wasn't really thinking much on cause i think shining is town
like i get why rayn thinks this makes me scum but the problem here is we absolutely have to consolidate on 2 wagons because if anyone is wrong here's what happens
1 town wagon 1 scum wagon
race to 4 votes
1 town wagon - 1 town <- scum will end up here for the win 1 scum wagon - 2 town 1 other scum wagon - 2 town
1 town wagon - 1 town <- scum will end up here 1 town wagon - 1 town <- or here 1 scum wagon - 3 town
like i get why he thinks i'm scum for not voting for sicklucker right off the bat
but LEGITIMATELY if we do not consolidate on 2 wagons we're screwed. and LEGITIMATELY we could still be screwed because if town votes for town, just one town player voting for just one town player, scum can pile on and win
this is what i was thinking, rayn, and this is why i am demanding that we lynch between me and sicklucker if you're not going to move
there's no way for us to win with more than one wagon we have to consolidate and i really wish you would try to be objective about me rayn. please fucking try ><
^ GUYS
like seriously where am i wrong here? READ THIS!!
i'm not even arguing that i'm not scum
i'm arguing that unless we consolidate on just two wagons right now we are going to fucking lose for sure
Why are you so stressed when nobody except rayn is sure you are scum ?
-_-
because i know that he's voting for town and if we don't consolidate on two wagons we're going to lose
like seriously, what possible scum motivation can i have for saying this rels? i've literally laid out for you why town can never ever win if there are more than two wagons. we should be lynching between me and sicklucker. we can discuss lynching between me and someone else, i suppose, but regardless
if rayn will not move
we have to lynch between me and exactly one other person
Yeah but we're 16 hours into the day. If scum piles on one of you it's going to be super fucking obvious. And rayn hasn't make his case, and you're already super defending yourself. The scum motivation is easy to find; if you realized it's between you and sicklucker, you will do exactly that, since you cannot attack rayn who you stated is town. It does not mean anything though 'cause it also works as a town motivation. And I think you're wrong about rayn. Yes he is a tunneled player; but he is able to re evalute over logical things. If there is no confirmed scum between you and sicklucker, I'm pretty sure he would switch to Shining or Moosy, who he also thinks are scum.
On September 30 2015 20:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: So let's see; You had literally said your strongest townreads are Damdred and marvellosity. That, by default means marv has done some things you consider to be extremely town, otherwise you are just plain out lying.
Now, marv does not post anything after that post (where you call him town) before you call him your #2 mafia read. Some examples:
let's see...ls came back, and i know he's looking into college so not being around for that reason makes it nai...my main reason for suspecting him again had fallen off lol ><
"LS didn't do anything to make my opinion on him change"
sl continued pointing out interesting things that made him less likely to be scum, and i maintain my his reads are sl-centric which is generally a town sign point
"sl did some things that make him less likely to be mafia (not town to be exact), so it apparently overrides my #2 townread in towniness"
yeah there was nothing townie moosy did, that also overrides #2 townread in towniness.
Like, unless you are just straight out throwing out conclusions out of your head without even thinking about anything for one second, you are just straight out lying.
When you townread someone for any reason, the townread does just not vanish. If it did because "other people looked more town", well there is nothing you just said that suggests you are telling the truth.
On October 01 2015 00:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: lol am i the only one who can see what's happening here?
what do you think that is?
note where my vote remains
GlowingBear is now "under attack" from rsoultin. Suddenly, when you say "if i change my vote i will vote for GlowingBear".
None of the things rsoultin now points out regarding GB were not important before. GB is one of Damdred's scumreads. The same guy who was "so goood" he was worth asking about his read on you was not worth discussing a read on GlowingBear (who rsoultin never scumread before now).... The only comment about GB from rsoultin is "i would probably lynch GB over LS", and that is BEFORE you went down the pile. hmmmzzzz.....
yeah it makes sense.
On October 01 2015 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not trying to be an idiot towards you Tina.
But the way you present your arguments is scummy as fuck.
You don't actually take any kind of a stance on my argument against you. You call marv's argument "omgus" when it clearly is not, it has been pointed out for like 10 times in this thread.
You give defenses like "i would never do this as mafia because...." which i do not believe are true, because i KNOW you have acted otherwise in games.
You misrepresent things, like cooliodude's argument one me, if you were town it should be really easyfor you to see what i was saying at the time i did it, just because i managed to mistype one word does not make it scummy like you seem to think it does.
You are not looking for mafia, rn you are looking for someone to lynch,. and if you were town you would try to convince me to lynch scott who is btw 100% mafia (with you). There is no reason you should be thinking he is town (as you don't) and if you are town there is no reason why you should NOT try to lynch him.
You are both mafia. If you are not mafia, then pfff.... You have fucked up this game totally, because you are not even trying to figure out who is mafia (no you haven't, all game). You have not tried to lynch mafia (no you haven't, all game). That is a fact.
GlowingBear is not mafia. If i am wrong on this shit you can call me bad how much you want to but i am not gonna call myself bad if you somehow happen to flip town.
And now it's too late.
On October 01 2015 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Basically i don't think marv's case on you does make you 100% scum. But i do know that when marv is so confident in his argument he is 100% town, and when he is town AND that confident he is probably right, even if i do not see it. I hadn't read your posts properly before that, for the reasons you i have outlined earlier. When i saw the case i did go back and read your posts.
What stuck out to me was this (why i think you are scum - MY CASE, regardless of marv's); 1) your read change on marv doesn't make logically any sense (in fact this is realted to his case aswell).
When you started arguing about his case, i also scumread you for; 2) your arguments were terrible, and didn't address anything he said, you just yelled "omgus omgus".
When i presented my case (1), you could not reasonable explain yourself, in fact you didn't explain anything at all, which makes (3).
Later on you scumread (or "scumread" i don't even fucking know what the read is besides "itchy") me for "not interacting with me, when you have had ZERO interest in trying to interact with me, while i DO have a reason to not interact with you, as i have explained. The only point where you have interacted with me before that, was when you 100% incorrectly "figured out Damdred's post is factually correct". Bullshit. Then you whine about you not having a read on me when you don't even try to get a read on me how you, as per your own words, read me best; by interacting with me. That would be (4).
(5) your push on GlowingBear is scummy as explained before.
(6) you twist things into looking like something they are not, you are not being clear and you don't even try to be clear.
(7) you don't have any scumreads (until you are being lynched).
On October 02 2015 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: One of my problems with rsoultin is that she doesn't really have any reads. She just doesn't. She goes like (i added GB here); - GB says stuff about Trfel/Damdred -> rsoultin doesn't care - rayn says stuff about J Roc and other people -> rsoultin doesn't care - stuff happens - marv makes a case on rsoultin -> suddenly huge burst of posts and much caring - rayn agrees -> rsoultin calls rayn scum because i am "itchy" and she "can't get a read on me" (when actually it's just --- she didn't care to have a read on me) - rsoultin is, or by thread sentiment is becoming the main wagon -> suddenly rsoultin DOES care about the stuff about GB, which she didn't care about before - things on coolTLname, J Roc for example -> rsoultin doesn't care to discuss them
like she just cares when it's beneficial to her in terms of not getting lynched, and it looks constructed as hell.
maybe but it's not really true that she doesn't have reads, she have strong townreads that she stated several times
who gives a fuck about townreads if you can't produce even ONE scumread?
On October 02 2015 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: not to even mention... in over 20 pages of filter. Like what is she doing in this game? What? scumhunting?
On October 02 2015 06:59 rsoultin wrote: Please don't sleep on rayn, either. His broad strokes scumread of me is not really that similar to the way he normally tunnels a player for very specific things. Most of his points are completely subjective or completely false.
kindly, shut the fuck up when you have not even read what i have wrote.
this post kinda sounds like you think i'm town <3
no, it sounds like you somehow think i am mafia when you haven't even gone through the thread properly, you have MULTIPLE times said you have to re-evaluate your read on me, you have MULTIPLE times said you are going to re-read me, and NEVER did that.
Yet, still, you cannot precisely call me NEITHER town NOR mafia, but you still kinda call me mafia anyways...
So go fucking do the read you have been saying you are doing for the past three days. Go do it now. And make the fucking read instead of flip-flopping on every single fucking thing in this game.
On October 02 2015 06:59 rsoultin wrote: Please don't sleep on rayn, either. His broad strokes scumread of me is not really that similar to the way he normally tunnels a player for very specific things. Most of his points are completely subjective or completely false.
kindly, shut the fuck up when you have not even read what i have wrote.
this post kinda sounds like you think i'm town <3
no, it sounds like you somehow think i am mafia when you haven't even gone through the thread properly, you have MULTIPLE times said you have to re-evaluate your read on me, you have MULTIPLE times said you are going to re-read me, and NEVER did that.
Yet, still, you cannot precisely call me NEITHER town NOR mafia, but you still kinda call me mafia anyways...
So go fucking do the read you have been saying you are doing for the past three days. Go do it now. And make the fucking read instead of flip-flopping on every single fucking thing in this game.
no. i'm taking a nap ^^
and i'm doing a reread tomorrow night as i said before. i have more important things than mafia to do, but as i was doing things in my limited time, yes, i posted it
yeah, apparently you have had more important things to do for the past three days while whining you cant get a read on me and saying you will re-read me. While producing 25 pages of nonsense.
he did have 7 votes on him before damdred cc'd scott, rayn
between the time scott claim and damdred cc'd he had 7 votes on him. i remember because i wasn't sure enough would switch
HAHAHAHAHAH! that's not what he is arguing though, he is arguing he had 7 voted before scott claimed.
...that doesn't appear to be what he's arguing? he appears to be arguing that he was fine with being lynched over me when he originally got the 7 votes but was happy to vote for scott after damdred cc'd...what are you pushing him for exactly?
On October 02 2015 03:56 coolTLname wrote: i was not voted because scott claimed, he claimed at the last minute after i had already a lot of votes - 7.
This is what he originally said. I don't care what he says now. This is what i was arguing about,
HOW FUCKING BIG SHOULD I MAKE IT FOR YOU FOR IT TO BE OBVIOUS??!?!?!?!?
i found the other time thank you rayn
mmm now my question to you is, why do you miss this simple stuff all the time? somehow you cannot produce a read on that guy, in fact as i remember you called him town because "he is new" (which is btw not a reason to read anyone anything). You just conveniently miss too much stuff Tina.
On October 02 2015 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: rsoultin i have one simple yes/no question to you.
Do you think it's reasonable that you have been flip-flopping about my alignment for the whole game when you yourself repeatedly say you need to re-read me (and do nothing about it -- but STILL change your read on me from time to time?!?!?), say you are gonna do that re-read now (or as the next thing -- yes i can prove that), and you are supposed to be the "best player in this game (besides marv)" in reading me, as you yourself claim?
On October 02 2015 21:51 sicklucker wrote: rstoul i just read your posts. and I learned nothing about your reads on this game. they are absolutely filler. Like you are the filler posting champion. Like you are the god
On October 01 2015 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: You know what Moosy. If i am wrong on J Roc on D2 and he flips town you can lynch me on D3 no questions asked. I am 60% sheeping marv here, 40% because of my own read on rsoultin after i started actually paying attention to her posts. I am egoistic enough to trust my own read more than marv's, but i am also good enough to know that it is less likely that he is wrong on D1 than i am, when he is town, which he totally is. When he feels about something this strongly on D1 then he is town, and most likely right. Whatever i say doesn't make the lynch go "where i want to". Just because he is the only player i consider better than i am and for the fact that people are already retarded enough to not see what i see (marv included rofl).
So yeah, i don't really have much to say about this. I think rsoultin is mafia. I think J Roc is mafia. I DEFINITELY NOT THINK GB is mafia. coolnamedude is probably the third scum.
I don't care about him much atm, just because i can't lynch more than person / day -> see above.
i'm not sure this is really true tbh
i trust your d1 reads above mine
i am honest i didn't know that.
certainly this year
i'm getting heebie jeebies. i could lynch scott with you if you're so sure.
almost feels like if rsoultin is mafia she deserves to live for managing to post 20 pages of filter on d1...
On October 01 2015 05:22 marvellosity wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:21 rsoultin wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:16 marvellosity wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:13 marvellosity wrote:
On October 01 2015 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: You know what Moosy. If i am wrong on J Roc on D2 and he flips town you can lynch me on D3 no questions asked. I am 60% sheeping marv here, 40% because of my own read on rsoultin after i started actually paying attention to her posts. I am egoistic enough to trust my own read more than marv's, but i am also good enough to know that it is less likely that he is wrong on D1 than i am, when he is town, which he totally is. When he feels about something this strongly on D1 then he is town, and most likely right. Whatever i say doesn't make the lynch go "where i want to". Just because he is the only player i consider better than i am and for the fact that people are already retarded enough to not see what i see (marv included rofl).
So yeah, i don't really have much to say about this. I think rsoultin is mafia. I think J Roc is mafia. I DEFINITELY NOT THINK GB is mafia. coolnamedude is probably the third scum.
I don't care about him much atm, just because i can't lynch more than person / day -> see above.
i'm not sure this is really true tbh
i trust your d1 reads above mine
i am honest i didn't know that.
certainly this year
i'm getting heebie jeebies. i could lynch scott with you if you're so sure.
almost feels like if rsoultin is mafia she deserves to live for managing to post 20 pages of filter on d1...
eh i dunnae if this means anything honestly i think i'm the most likely of anyone on this site to be capable of that
but it should be clear that i was trying to find scum for the last several hours and trying to make reads while being bashed constantly, and that should make me town to anyone. i hope it does.
cause if this continues tomorrow maybe it's better that y'all just lynch me; i won't be able to keep it up i can tell you now, and i can't work this way
i'd raise you HF
and you've made a lot a lot alot of posts that don't look horribly shit.
so maybe i should back down here. i dunno.
On October 01 2015 19:46 marvellosity wrote: gonna be so annoyed if rsoultin is mafia xD
???
like maybe he's still suspicious i guess so "clearly townreading" was overstating it, but it doesn't look very much like he's pushing me, does it? trfel by contrast is one of the only ones in his n1 filter
who was he pushing on N1? This is where he ends up on Trfel:
On October 02 2015 00:54 marvellosity wrote:
On October 02 2015 00:35 Trfel wrote:
On October 02 2015 00:30 marvellosity wrote:
On October 02 2015 00:02 Trfel wrote:
On October 01 2015 23:54 marvellosity wrote: post 1 suggests that my entire play could come from mafia
post 2 Trfel backtracks and says it's referring to a tiny portion at the start?
it really makes no sense at all to me
There was a specific part of your play where you said "I never do this as mafia". I'm saying that there is absolutely no reason why you couldn't, it would be easy to do.
As for the rest of your play, you are capable of a high filter length as mafia. I see no reason why you couldn't produce an extremely high filter length in a really spammy game, if you really wanted to. If you're referring to thread involvement, I don't see you being involved to the point where you can't be mafia.
the fact you're characterising my play by filter length is pretty scummy tbh.
I don't think you want to know what I have to say about your play other than filter length.....
You do realize that you are my top townread, right?
i didn't.
i guess i'm going mad.
oh well.
"He didn't read me mafia because he wasn't pushing me". So who was he pushing then?
do you see him pushing anyone after that retraction, rayn?
no, and somehow you think HE TOWNREADS YOU AS HE DIDN'T PUSH YOU ON N1?!?!?!?! ridiculous.
On October 01 2015 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: You know what Moosy. If i am wrong on J Roc on D2 and he flips town you can lynch me on D3 no questions asked. I am 60% sheeping marv here, 40% because of my own read on rsoultin after i started actually paying attention to her posts. I am egoistic enough to trust my own read more than marv's, but i am also good enough to know that it is less likely that he is wrong on D1 than i am, when he is town, which he totally is. When he feels about something this strongly on D1 then he is town, and most likely right. Whatever i say doesn't make the lynch go "where i want to". Just because he is the only player i consider better than i am and for the fact that people are already retarded enough to not see what i see (marv included rofl).
So yeah, i don't really have much to say about this. I think rsoultin is mafia. I think J Roc is mafia. I DEFINITELY NOT THINK GB is mafia. coolnamedude is probably the third scum.
I don't care about him much atm, just because i can't lynch more than person / day -> see above.
i'm not sure this is really true tbh
i trust your d1 reads above mine
i am honest i didn't know that.
certainly this year
i'm getting heebie jeebies. i could lynch scott with you if you're so sure.
almost feels like if rsoultin is mafia she deserves to live for managing to post 20 pages of filter on d1...
On October 01 2015 05:22 marvellosity wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:21 rsoultin wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:16 marvellosity wrote:
On October 01 2015 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] i am honest i didn't know that.
certainly this year
i'm getting heebie jeebies. i could lynch scott with you if you're so sure.
almost feels like if rsoultin is mafia she deserves to live for managing to post 20 pages of filter on d1...
eh i dunnae if this means anything honestly i think i'm the most likely of anyone on this site to be capable of that
but it should be clear that i was trying to find scum for the last several hours and trying to make reads while being bashed constantly, and that should make me town to anyone. i hope it does.
cause if this continues tomorrow maybe it's better that y'all just lynch me; i won't be able to keep it up i can tell you now, and i can't work this way
i'd raise you HF
and you've made a lot a lot alot of posts that don't look horribly shit.
so maybe i should back down here. i dunno.
On October 01 2015 19:46 marvellosity wrote: gonna be so annoyed if rsoultin is mafia xD
???
like maybe he's still suspicious i guess so "clearly townreading" was overstating it, but it doesn't look very much like he's pushing me, does it? trfel by contrast is one of the only ones in his n1 filter
who was he pushing on N1? This is where he ends up on Trfel:
On October 02 2015 00:54 marvellosity wrote:
On October 02 2015 00:35 Trfel wrote:
On October 02 2015 00:30 marvellosity wrote:
On October 02 2015 00:02 Trfel wrote:
On October 01 2015 23:54 marvellosity wrote: post 1 suggests that my entire play could come from mafia
post 2 Trfel backtracks and says it's referring to a tiny portion at the start?
it really makes no sense at all to me
There was a specific part of your play where you said "I never do this as mafia". I'm saying that there is absolutely no reason why you couldn't, it would be easy to do.
As for the rest of your play, you are capable of a high filter length as mafia. I see no reason why you couldn't produce an extremely high filter length in a really spammy game, if you really wanted to. If you're referring to thread involvement, I don't see you being involved to the point where you can't be mafia.
the fact you're characterising my play by filter length is pretty scummy tbh.
I don't think you want to know what I have to say about your play other than filter length.....
You do realize that you are my top townread, right?
i didn't.
i guess i'm going mad.
oh well.
"He didn't read me mafia because he wasn't pushing me". So who was he pushing then?
do you see him pushing anyone after that retraction, rayn?
no, and somehow you think HE TOWNREADS YOU AS HE DIDN'T PUSH YOU ON N1?!?!?!?! ridiculous.
no i think that given his posting he at least thinks there's a fair chance i could be town. given the posts above. you did read them?
yes i did read them. no, that's a ridiculous conclusion.
On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it.
On October 03 2015 19:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like there is a push on rsoultin from me/marv. Shining says he's gonna take a stance on it -> never does anything about it.
On October 03 2015 19:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: The way he dismisses the cases on rsoultin is also yuck...
Technically I also refused to listen to the cases on her because I've played with her multiple times and I'm pretty sure she's town, even after everything. It reminds me of her back and forth with Geript in Student V and they were both town.
On October 03 2015 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: And btw Rels was really interested in lynching you...
no he really kind of wasn't
he was one of the only people arguing with marv d1 and saying we should actually wait for my analyses and giving me room. my inclination was actually to townread him going into his filter because of that
like i get he said i could be scum for lack of reads later but it's not like he's doing stupid shit like sl was lol
Let's assume this is true for a moment. Why do you think mafia does not hop on your wagon when marv/rayn is pushing it? I mean if i was a new player and you are town that is a perfect excuse to lynch a townie and not be blamed about it, as you can just say "i thought marv/rayn cases were good".
Because i can't think of a reason, except for one...
On October 03 2015 20:36 rsoultin wrote: rels dropping his read on truffle to push me is jumping on my lynch in my mind but since you apparently define it differently, apparently mafia didn't jump on my lynch
but he wasn't pushing you. instead after some time he gave you more room. why does he do that as mafia?
he was pushing me @.@ even he says he was pushing me
you're still saying the sky is green
and i already answered this question. as mafia, with me making a huge stink about how he dropped his read on trfel to do this, he looks like shit when i flip town. is there some reason you're not reading my responses to you?
I don't think you are lying, i am not suggesting so. I just want you to be as clear as possible so there is no way to misjudge this -- when i say this:
So you think Rels is mafia. You think he is the only mafia pushing your lynch. Now let's assume Trfel is scum here. At the time the push on you starts there is - if i remember correctly - four votes on Trfel. Rels is mafia and hops onto you, from Trfel. You are the only counterwagon. It doesn't make any sense, especially considering later on Rels wants to give you more room.
So Trfel cannot possibly be mafia in this game if you are town, and should not ever be mafia for you in this game, unless you think i am mafia (which you don't). That should be your #1 reason for reading Trfel town regardless of what he has ever said in this game because if Trfel was mafia mafia WOULD have hopped on you with greater numbers and pushed your lynch more.
Somehow you can't realize this simple fact that if you are town Trfel must be town. And don't try to feed me with bullshit "but i think Trfel is town", i am telling you this should be your reasoning, at least part of it, yet it is not.
On October 03 2015 21:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rels' alignment has nothing to do with this. In fact it should be even more clear to you that Trfel is town if Rels is not mafia.
-squints at-
so what you're really saying is that if trfel were mafia more scum should be trying to vote for me d1. that follows. lol you should have just said that
i was skeezed out by trfel asking me questions over and over, my answering them, and then him whining that i hadn't lol >< and got focused on that. you can think this makes me scum if you like but i'd think you of all people could understand how something not making sense can be distracting ^^
Yes that what i am saying, or rather i am saying YOU should be the one figuring that out easily since yo uare supposed to know you are town. If you are mafia, then, obviously none of this applies...
You even did wagon analysis (mainly on Moosy/Rels/shining) here, jsut some time ago. Yet you leave out the most easily seen logical conclusion from your analysis (=because i am town, it must mean Trfel is town).
So, another scumpoint to you.
On October 03 2015 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: So from what i have gathered from N1 and D2 (partly from D1 aswell) from you rsoultin is this:
- You didn't give any fucks about coolTLname when you imo should have. I am speaking of N1 here, you even went on defending him with factually incorrect argument. (see what i did there?) It's scummy.
- The way you "look into people further" is scummy. You are under pressure, marv says GB might be mafia -> suddenly there is a case (and a vote) on GB from you while you didn't care about the things you found him scummy for earlier, at all. sl brings up the voting behavior and I start discussing it with him on D2. Rels and Shining are under questioning for that -> suddenly you come up with "now i am looking into Rels/Shining" and you come to a conclusion that Rels looks really bad and shining is town, you don't even touch this voting behavior thing at all... Hmm no, actually that is not scummy, that is super scummy.
- You do voting analysis; you miss the most easily notable thing to you. That is scummy.
That was your N1 -> D2.
I think you are mafia.
On October 05 2015 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: c'mon rels you are smarter than this.
rsoultin thinks one of you/md is scum rsoultin thinks one of gb/shining is scum rsoultin thinks me & ls are 100% town.
rsoultind doesn't want to vote for sicklucker asap.
1) Marv's case / my case on her. 2) When there are those cases on her, she decides GB is mafia for reasons he was not mafia before. Also the timing where the case comes. 3) Her read on coolTLname and "incapability" to see the scummy things on him (coolname's read on me throughout the game). Instead she thinks Trfel is scum. Never makes the case. 4) Her read on Trfel. She should have thought Trfel is town 100% by voting analysis. 5) Her read on shining. sicklucker pointed out how Rels/Shining voting history on D1 is fishy. rels explains this reasonably, shining doesn't explain it at all. She is interested in discussing Rels for this, not Shining. 6) Based on above, both of marv / Trfel (nk'd townies) put shining onto the scumpile (at that time noone else really did). Doesn't consider this as a reason to even investigate shining more. 7) Her read on Rels. Damdred the top townie did the same thing rels did, still it's a reason to scumread Rels (logicvally it isn't). 8) Her D3. Bullshit.
TLDR; - not paying attention to important things that actually make sense (see for example read on GB D1, read on me, Trfel...) - her read on me throughout the game is terrible, she should have townread me on D1 100% if she was town (see marv here - noone can actually read me except for marv, people should trust marv's read on me, and rsoultin should 100% know this) - other reads are bad, and the reasoning is fishy (gb, rels, trfel) - didn't have any real reads until N2 (srsly, she didn't) - not interested in discussing shining when she 100% should
idk if i forgot some reasoning in my TLDR, but mafia mafia mafia!!
I would sheep that if the alternative wasn't sicklucker.
On October 05 2015 23:06 MoosyDoosy wrote: I am scum for re-considering a read I had on Shining. ok.
You said you had a hard townread on Shining. Prove it.
Why else would I give myself and Shining all the credit for starting the coolTL wagon back when it was cool.
So: 1. Moosy says he had a hard townread of Shining but cannot prove it. I've read his filter multiple times CTRL + Fing Shining and didn't find any townread. 2. Even if we admit Moosy hard townread Shining D1 / start of D2, it doesn't change much to the fact his read on Shining is weird and fluctuating with the thread sentiment. In particular, it didn't change the fact that he said he was reading his filter, showed nothing to prove it, and had a null townread with no reason on him EON2.
On October 05 2015 23:06 MoosyDoosy wrote: I am scum for re-considering a read I had on Shining. ok.
You said you had a hard townread on Shining. Prove it.
Why else would I give myself and Shining all the credit for starting the coolTL wagon back when it was cool.
So: 1. Moosy says he had a hard townread of Shining but cannot prove it. I've read his filter multiple times CTRL + Fing Shining and didn't find any townread. 2. Even if we admit Moosy hard townread Shining D1 / start of D2, it doesn't change much to the fact his read on Shining is weird and fluctuating with the thread sentiment. In particular, it didn't change the fact that he said he was reading his filter, showed nothing to prove it, and had a null townread with no reason on him EON2.
Again, why the fuck would I not reconsider my read on Shining when everyone else is suspecting him. Do you expect me to not change my read?
1. the post about you is not targeted at you. 2. you're saying now you hard townread him but I've seen no such post 3. the conclusions were:
On October 05 2015 18:30 Rels wrote: - Moosy associates himself with Shining, who was universally townread at the time; yet he never once calls Shining town (or mafia, for what it's worth) - Shining and Moosy had a lot of interactions, so it is weird that Moosy does not have any idea about Shining's alignement at any point in the game - Moosy said he was going to filter dive Shining 35 hours ago when a Shining switch was discussed; still hasn't done it
So admitting you hard townread him, the conclusion changed to:
On October 05 2015 18:30 Rels wrote: - Moosy associates himself with Shining when he was universally townread; and started suspecting Shining when he was starting to be suspected, following the thread sentiment - Shining and Moosy had a lot of interactions, so it is weird that Moosy does not have any suspicion about Shining until he started becoming a lynch candidate - Moosy said he was going to filter dive Shining 35 hours ago when a Shining switch was discussed; still hasn't done it
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
That's one of the most stupid conclusion ANYONE can get to. NOBODY busses a team mate when there is a counter claim in the thread. Mafia will take the chance to lynch the blue 100% of the times and you should KNOW I think of it this way because I was against your bus on cake last game we played together.
The fact that you're fitting this scum team to your agenda instead of thinking about facts reasonably makes me see you more scummy than ever.
i mean, the situations are completely different since in our game there was no alternative blue lynch and coolTLname is pretty much dead fish in the water. makes no sense to not bus tbh. you buy townie credit by pushing on coolTLname as well.
You're saying that I prefered to lynch my team mate instead of going against the counter claimed blue that I KNOW is blue because I, as Mafia, have perfect information. You're saying that I'd rather get town cred for lynching my scum mate when I don't need town cred to survive instead of lynching the blue without compromising myself by doing it.
This makes no sense at all.
Also, you came back just to say 3 people looked worse, one of them being the guy under suspicion by me and Rayn (LS). So I'm double bussing here when I agree that LS could be scum?
Also, you threw 3 suspicions but you simply assume cool TL is Mafia without arguing he should be the lynch. These will sum up to 4 Mafia, and the one you are pretty sure is Mafia (because you are pretty sure I'm BUSSING) is someone you didn't talk about lately.
Also, if I am bussing, don't you agree you should be lynching Cool TL to prove your theory? Wouldn't this be a win/win situation?
Someone isn't reading the thread.
He then continued to talk to GB, and actually replied to something GB said 20 MINUTES after the claim rescind:
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining. Second of all, I already said that we were lynching coolTL when I came back after EoD. Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining. Second of all, I already said that we were lynching coolTL when I came back after EoD. Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
Ok, maybe I was angry and focused on the wrong thing, but you do see the problem in your thought process?
Ive bolded what I thought was stupid, not the whole post
No, I don't really see what's wrong. You could have just killed scott during Night and buy town cred from coolTL.
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
That's one of the most stupid conclusion ANYONE can get to. NOBODY busses a team mate when there is a counter claim in the thread. Mafia will take the chance to lynch the blue 100% of the times and you should KNOW I think of it this way because I was against your bus on cake last game we played together.
The fact that you're fitting this scum team to your agenda instead of thinking about facts reasonably makes me see you more scummy than ever.
i mean, the situations are completely different since in our game there was no alternative blue lynch and coolTLname is pretty much dead fish in the water. makes no sense to not bus tbh. you buy townie credit by pushing on coolTLname as well.
You're saying that I prefered to lynch my team mate instead of going against the counter claimed blue that I KNOW is blue because I, as Mafia, have perfect information. You're saying that I'd rather get town cred for lynching my scum mate when I don't need town cred to survive instead of lynching the blue without compromising myself by doing it.
This makes no sense at all.
Also, you came back just to say 3 people looked worse, one of them being the guy under suspicion by me and Rayn (LS). So I'm double bussing here when I agree that LS could be scum?
Also, you threw 3 suspicions but you simply assume cool TL is Mafia without arguing he should be the lynch. These will sum up to 4 Mafia, and the one you are pretty sure is Mafia (because you are pretty sure I'm BUSSING) is someone you didn't talk about lately.
Also, if I am bussing, don't you agree you should be lynching Cool TL to prove your theory? Wouldn't this be a win/win situation?
Someone isn't reading the thread.
He then continued to talk to GB, and actually replied to something GB said 20 MINUTES after the claim rescind:
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining. Second of all, I already said that we were lynching coolTL when I came back after EoD. Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining. Second of all, I already said that we were lynching coolTL when I came back after EoD. Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
Ok, maybe I was angry and focused on the wrong thing, but you do see the problem in your thought process?
Ive bolded what I thought was stupid, not the whole post
No, I don't really see what's wrong. You could have just killed scott during Night and buy town cred from coolTL.
So rsoultin reacted the the claim by immediately removing moosy from her lynch list ... Just have to wait for sicklucker s reaction now and the game is over
On October 06 2015 00:45 MoosyDoosy wrote: So does anyone want to give me some coaching advice on what the point of a town roleblocker is? I guess it's helpful against the Mafia framer? But then my reason for existing kind of died when Damdred claimed.
On October 06 2015 01:13 Rels wrote: So rsoultin reacted the the claim by immediately removing moosy from her lynch list ... Just have to wait for sicklucker s reaction now and the game is over
rsoultin is not mafia or the game is invalid.
Yet she probably is. Unless she's dumb town accepting claims at face value. But we'll talk about that later (=
OK now that both rsoultin and sicklucker have answered, I can finally do this. (=
I'm 1-shot French Oak (roleblocker)
I breadcrumbed my role in my first post:
On September 29 2015 17:00 Rels wrote: yo everybody (= starting to read the thread For the record, will be super busy thursday so don't expect much from me that day. Obviously, it will be night 1 so it's not that bad
On September 25 2015 22:47 Fidei86 wrote: I can CH. Promise to do better than last time.
Cool (= Now please make me french oak
fidei told me he didn't cheat the setup to give me the role, but I'm pretty sure he did ... thanks mate. <3
I roleblocked Moosy N2.
My goal was to wait as long as possible to use my shot, to have more chance at blocking KP + maybe have strongman already used. But with us at LYLO yesterday if I didn't block KP, I had to chance it.
To do that, I needed to not be killed. That's why I did so few cases, and almost didn't use bold through the game. If you look through my filter, you'll see there is a big different between D1-2 and D3; with strongman used and my shot used, I could post freely.
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
That's one of the most stupid conclusion ANYONE can get to. NOBODY busses a team mate when there is a counter claim in the thread. Mafia will take the chance to lynch the blue 100% of the times and you should KNOW I think of it this way because I was against your bus on cake last game we played together.
The fact that you're fitting this scum team to your agenda instead of thinking about facts reasonably makes me see you more scummy than ever.
i mean, the situations are completely different since in our game there was no alternative blue lynch and coolTLname is pretty much dead fish in the water. makes no sense to not bus tbh. you buy townie credit by pushing on coolTLname as well.
You're saying that I prefered to lynch my team mate instead of going against the counter claimed blue that I KNOW is blue because I, as Mafia, have perfect information. You're saying that I'd rather get town cred for lynching my scum mate when I don't need town cred to survive instead of lynching the blue without compromising myself by doing it.
This makes no sense at all.
Also, you came back just to say 3 people looked worse, one of them being the guy under suspicion by me and Rayn (LS). So I'm double bussing here when I agree that LS could be scum?
Also, you threw 3 suspicions but you simply assume cool TL is Mafia without arguing he should be the lynch. These will sum up to 4 Mafia, and the one you are pretty sure is Mafia (because you are pretty sure I'm BUSSING) is someone you didn't talk about lately.
Also, if I am bussing, don't you agree you should be lynching Cool TL to prove your theory? Wouldn't this be a win/win situation?
Someone isn't reading the thread.
He then continued to talk to GB, and actually replied to something GB said 20 MINUTES after the claim rescind:
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining. Second of all, I already said that we were lynching coolTL when I came back after EoD. Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining. Second of all, I already said that we were lynching coolTL when I came back after EoD. Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
Ok, maybe I was angry and focused on the wrong thing, but you do see the problem in your thought process?
Ive bolded what I thought was stupid, not the whole post
No, I don't really see what's wrong. You could have just killed scott during Night and buy town cred from coolTL.
Moosy is straigth up lying. Moosy is mafia.
He also said he didn't really know how to use his role:
On October 06 2015 00:45 MoosyDoosy wrote: So does anyone want to give me some coaching advice on what the point of a town roleblocker is? I guess it's helpful against the Mafia framer? But then my reason for existing kind of died when Damdred claimed.
Well, if he had bothered to read the OP, he would have seen that KP are roleblockable. There is no way a roleblocker does not bother reading his role. (=
On October 06 2015 02:35 Rels wrote: OK now that both rsoultin and sicklucker have answered, I can finally do this. (=
I'm 1-shot French Oak (roleblocker)
I breadcrumbed my role in my first post:
On September 29 2015 17:00 Rels wrote: yo everybody (= starting to read the thread For the record, will be super busy thursday so don't expect much from me that day. Obviously, it will be night 1 so it's not that bad
FO 1 => 1 shot French Oak.
On September 25 2015 23:13 Rels wrote:
On September 25 2015 22:47 Fidei86 wrote: I can CH. Promise to do better than last time.
Cool (= Now please make me french oak
fidei told me he didn't cheat the setup to give me the role, but I'm pretty sure he did ... thanks mate. <3
I roleblocked Moosy N2.
My goal was to wait as long as possible to use my shot, to have more chance at blocking KP + maybe have strongman already used. But with us at LYLO yesterday if I didn't block KP, I had to chance it.
To do that, I needed to not be killed. That's why I did so few cases, and almost didn't use bold through the game. If you look through my filter, you'll see there is a big different between D1-2 and D3; with strongman used and my shot used, I could post freely.
So rsoultin reacted to the Moosy's claim by immediately removing Moosy from her lynch list. SL was super indecisive about it. I'm pretty sure rsoultin is the third mafia.
On October 06 2015 02:43 MoosyDoosy wrote: funny thing is you should still be fine with lynching Shining. But go ahead and tunnel me to split town. Just expect to be made a laughingstock in my banner post game.
Sure if you want us to kill Shining before you, let's do that (=
On October 06 2015 02:44 Rels wrote: So rsoultin reacted to the Moosy's claim by immediately removing Moosy from her lynch list. SL was super indecisive about it. I'm pretty sure rsoultin is the third mafia.
Did you already make a list?
Yes. Catch up with the thread; rsoultin / sicklucker was the only thing I wasn't sure about. I'm sure Shining is mafia, and Moosy is now confirmed.
On October 06 2015 02:43 MoosyDoosy wrote: funny thing is you should still be fine with lynching Shining. But go ahead and tunnel me to split town. Just expect to be made a laughingstock in my banner post game.
Sure if you want us to kill Shining before you, let's do that (=
no, go ahead and tunnel me for the, again, wrong third time in a row.
why are you giving up )= no fun will be had for the rest of the day ?
Pretty happy about the whole thing (= Don't know why Moosy felt the need to do a fake claim like that (= (= The only thing left is decide between rsoultin and sicklucker, and we have the rest of the day to do that
On October 06 2015 02:49 MoosyDoosy wrote: I am contemplating ruining the thread but I have too much respect for Half the Sky and the cohosts Fidei and Kelsier to actually do it.
gg town
Rels is throwing the game. I can't be bothered to check back after this.
Third mafia is rsoultin / sicklucker. Moosy's claim reaction indicates rsoultin maybe; I could be putting too much strength in that though. Going to eat diner, I'll be back in a few! Let's win that triple LYLO (=
LOL this is unbelievable. And kinda funny p: I'm done for today, going to watch a movie then sleep. I was super motivated this morning when we were at LYLO, but looks like it's actually going well. (= See you tomorrow
LOL at all the people even entertaining the idea that Moosy's claim is true. Less lol at rsoultin and sicklucker doing it. Why doesn't one of you become townie already )=
I'll copy what I said earlier:
1. Moosy claimed he didn't read GB's rescinding his claim; that is extremely unlikely
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
That's one of the most stupid conclusion ANYONE can get to. NOBODY busses a team mate when there is a counter claim in the thread. Mafia will take the chance to lynch the blue 100% of the times and you should KNOW I think of it this way because I was against your bus on cake last game we played together.
The fact that you're fitting this scum team to your agenda instead of thinking about facts reasonably makes me see you more scummy than ever.
i mean, the situations are completely different since in our game there was no alternative blue lynch and coolTLname is pretty much dead fish in the water. makes no sense to not bus tbh. you buy townie credit by pushing on coolTLname as well.
You're saying that I prefered to lynch my team mate instead of going against the counter claimed blue that I KNOW is blue because I, as Mafia, have perfect information. You're saying that I'd rather get town cred for lynching my scum mate when I don't need town cred to survive instead of lynching the blue without compromising myself by doing it.
This makes no sense at all.
Also, you came back just to say 3 people looked worse, one of them being the guy under suspicion by me and Rayn (LS). So I'm double bussing here when I agree that LS could be scum?
Also, you threw 3 suspicions but you simply assume cool TL is Mafia without arguing he should be the lynch. These will sum up to 4 Mafia, and the one you are pretty sure is Mafia (because you are pretty sure I'm BUSSING) is someone you didn't talk about lately.
Also, if I am bussing, don't you agree you should be lynching Cool TL to prove your theory? Wouldn't this be a win/win situation?
Someone isn't reading the thread.
He then continued to talk to GB, and actually replied to something GB said 20 MINUTES after the claim rescind:
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining. Second of all, I already said that we were lynching coolTL when I came back after EoD. Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining. Second of all, I already said that we were lynching coolTL when I came back after EoD. Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
Ok, maybe I was angry and focused on the wrong thing, but you do see the problem in your thought process?
Ive bolded what I thought was stupid, not the whole post
No, I don't really see what's wrong. You could have just killed scott during Night and buy town cred from coolTL.
So Moosy is straigth up lying about not seeing GB rescinding his claim.
2. Moosy doesn't know roleblocker can block KP
On October 06 2015 00:45 MoosyDoosy wrote: So does anyone want to give me some coaching advice on what the point of a town roleblocker is? I guess it's helpful against the Mafia framer? But then my reason for existing kind of died when Damdred claimed.
Well, if he had bothered to read the OP, he would have seen that KP are roleblockable. There is no way a roleblocker does not bother reading his role. (=
And we can add: 3. He knows I'm blue, and didn't try to call me mafia.
4. If you think there is the possibility he's right, you think there is the possibility I'm fakeclaiming So you would think that I had a 1 shot roleblocker breadcrumbed in my first post just in case this exact situation happens.
whatever going to sleep. I said everything I had to say about Moosy and Shining, and until people are voting them, I won't have anything to add. When people finally decide to lynch them, we can talk about rsoultin / sicklucker
On October 06 2015 06:17 Rels wrote: LOL at all the people even entertaining the idea that Moosy's claim is true. Less lol at rsoultin and sicklucker doing it. Why doesn't one of you become townie already )=
I'll copy what I said earlier:
1. Moosy claimed he didn't read GB's rescinding his claim; that is extremely unlikely
On October 06 2015 00:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 06 2015 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: he said his claim is not real on N1...
Well, I didn't read his claim until it was too late.
This is a straight lie. GB rescinded his claim on N1 5h30 before deadline:
On October 02 2015 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 02 2015 01:18 sicklucker wrote: Guys gb is are roleblocker
I'm not, I was just upset and made that up
Moosy posted in the thread only 2 MINUTES later, ironically replying to GB he's not reading the thread:
On October 02 2015 01:34 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 01:03 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 02 2015 00:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 00:37 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
That's one of the most stupid conclusion ANYONE can get to. NOBODY busses a team mate when there is a counter claim in the thread. Mafia will take the chance to lynch the blue 100% of the times and you should KNOW I think of it this way because I was against your bus on cake last game we played together.
The fact that you're fitting this scum team to your agenda instead of thinking about facts reasonably makes me see you more scummy than ever.
i mean, the situations are completely different since in our game there was no alternative blue lynch and coolTLname is pretty much dead fish in the water. makes no sense to not bus tbh. you buy townie credit by pushing on coolTLname as well.
You're saying that I prefered to lynch my team mate instead of going against the counter claimed blue that I KNOW is blue because I, as Mafia, have perfect information. You're saying that I'd rather get town cred for lynching my scum mate when I don't need town cred to survive instead of lynching the blue without compromising myself by doing it.
This makes no sense at all.
Also, you came back just to say 3 people looked worse, one of them being the guy under suspicion by me and Rayn (LS). So I'm double bussing here when I agree that LS could be scum?
Also, you threw 3 suspicions but you simply assume cool TL is Mafia without arguing he should be the lynch. These will sum up to 4 Mafia, and the one you are pretty sure is Mafia (because you are pretty sure I'm BUSSING) is someone you didn't talk about lately.
Also, if I am bussing, don't you agree you should be lynching Cool TL to prove your theory? Wouldn't this be a win/win situation?
Someone isn't reading the thread.
He then continued to talk to GB, and actually replied to something GB said 20 MINUTES after the claim rescind:
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining. Second of all, I already said that we were lynching coolTL when I came back after EoD. Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
On October 02 2015 02:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 01:55 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining. Second of all, I already said that we were lynching coolTL when I came back after EoD. Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
Ok, maybe I was angry and focused on the wrong thing, but you do see the problem in your thought process?
Ive bolded what I thought was stupid, not the whole post
No, I don't really see what's wrong. You could have just killed scott during Night and buy town cred from coolTL.
So Moosy is straigth up lying about not seeing GB rescinding his claim.
2. Moosy doesn't know roleblocker can block KP
On October 06 2015 00:45 MoosyDoosy wrote: So does anyone want to give me some coaching advice on what the point of a town roleblocker is? I guess it's helpful against the Mafia framer? But then my reason for existing kind of died when Damdred claimed.
Well, if he had bothered to read the OP, he would have seen that KP are roleblockable. There is no way a roleblocker does not bother reading his role. (=
And we can add: 3. He knows I'm blue, and didn't try to call me mafia.
4. If you think there is the possibility he's right, you think there is the possibility I'm fakeclaiming So you would think that I had a 1 shot roleblocker breadcrumbed in my first post just in case this exact situation happens.
1. He skips posts a lot of times. He could genuinely skipped my post
2. He may really not have read his role. I don't know what levels stupidity can reach
3. We don't know how many roles Mafia has. We already know Mafia has a roleblocker and a strongman AND a Miller was in the game. Two power roles and two lesser roles may be a possibility
4. See above
OK. I can't accept all of that, especially together. You need to reread exactly this part where you rescinded your claim. Moosy posted 2 minutes after; he continued reading the thread and answered a post from you that was made 20 minutes after the claim. Now imagine Moosy has already decided to roleblock after your claim. He should be paying extra attention to what you're saying. In fact, he does; the post he did 2 minutes after your claim was a reply to you; and the posts after also talks about you. There is NO way Moosy as roleblocker doesn't notice the rescind. And I'm not arguing it's weird he roleblocked you even after the rescind; that would be understandable. But he claimed he did not know you rescinded your claim to justify the roleblock on you. And, as demonstrated above, that is not possible.
Plus, there is no way there are 2 roleblockers in the setup. That is not balanced, and everybody thinking that should think about the possible implications. 2 roleblockers means there is the possibility to confirm two people if one mafia is flipped. If on N1 or N2, one mafia is flipped and one roleblocker had to claim cause he was getting lynched or whatever. The two roleblockers uses their block on two targets then: - if one people dies, when the roleblocker claims his blocks, the other should do it too => PAM 4 confirmed townies - if none dies, of course the two roleblockers will claim, believing they blocked KP => PAM one mafia between two people confirmed
On October 06 2015 17:33 Rels wrote: Plus, there is no way there are 2 roleblockers in the setup. That is not balanced, and everybody thinking that should think about the possible implications. 2 roleblockers means there is the possibility to confirm two people if one mafia is flipped. If on N1 or N2, one mafia is flipped and one roleblocker had to claim cause he was getting lynched or whatever. The two roleblockers uses their block on two targets then: - if one people dies, when the roleblocker claims his blocks, the other should do it too => PAM 4 confirmed townies - if none dies, of course the two roleblockers will claim, believing they blocked KP => PAM one mafia between two people confirmed
the best part is that if the strongman used on a claimed roleblocker is not super useful, because: => well, the claimed roleblocker should claimed his target at deadline anyway, so it doesn't matter => there is two investigative role running wild now. So two other confirmed townies with investigative abilities
On October 06 2015 00:37 MoosyDoosy wrote: Let me explain this nicely.
D1 - First time as roleblocker cool. N1 - GB claims roleblocker. - Well fuck you GB. Since he was lurking and acting somewhat scummy, I’ll just roleblock him. D2 - I don’t even know what the point of this role is lol. - GB says his claim was not serious. - Okay, well maybe his claim was NAI. N2 - LS looks scummy and inactive so I’ll just roleblock him. D3 - Trfel died. - Oh, well there’s no point in killing Trfel unless they were trying to blue hunt. Which means they’re looking for me lel. Only reason they would try to blue hunt is if they’re scared of something blue did. I blocked GB N1 which might mean I did something good and GB's scum.
On October 06 2015 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: he said his claim is not real on N1...
On October 06 2015 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: he said his claim is not real on N1...
Well, I didn't read his claim until it was too late. I also doubt I would have changed my roleblock anyway. I have no idea how to use this role and it would have been too much of a bother to PM all three hosts again.
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?
So your lynch candidates are coolTLname AND the two persons that voted him before you ? And these two persons being: - the one that was the first to put suspicions on coolTLname - the one that didn't want to switch from coolTLname even with a counter claim ???????????
I gave explanation for GB. My point on you still stands. I do not see you pushing on coolTL at all.
Your point on me is true, so I can't say anything about that. But if you think coolTLname is scum, this GB's read is retarded. He was trying to get people to lynch coolTLname over scott! If he was mafia he would shut up and let things happen
hm...I'm actually thinking of dropping the GB read purely because coolTL said he was tunneling on rsoul. He probably just doesn't know the definitions to things.
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thoughts on EoD: The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.
I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID
lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time.
I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott
Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early?
Looking for that I found a post 1 hour of start of D2 where he knows you retracted your claim:
On October 02 2015 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: GlowingBear i assume you blocked LS right?
Silly rayn
??
did he retract from his claim?
gb is obviously never really claiming at night rofl
also gb did retract his claim
So added to the things above (posting 2 minutes after the rescind, talking to you, replying to a post you made 20 minutes after your rescind), that post saying he did not know you rescinded your claim before the end of the night is laughable.
So Moosy is fakeclaiming. There are also a bunch of other reasons that makes him mafia outside of his claim. I compiled them somewhere when LS asked me about that. Shining is also mafia because of a bunch of reasons I also linked somewhere + he's being attacked by everybody but rsoultin and he's not doing anything. Now THAT is a mafia bused attitude, compared to coolTLname's. p: I know for sure that Moosy is fakeclaiming, but Shining is mafia and I'm OK lynching the both of them in any order. After the night the game will be solved.
On October 06 2015 20:14 rsoultin wrote: ...you didn't react at all to GB's RB claim, given a ctrl+f through your filter
(i could be wrong, so just quote if i am, cause that's an imperfect method but i don't have time for a more thorough one this morning)
why?
md had a pretty strong scumread on him. also given the exact timing of the post you keep quoting, i can easily see him overlooking the rescind so eh
like i admit your case was convincing enough for me to skim back through moosy's and gb's posts n1
also the shining reasoning is flawed. that he's completely absent does make him more prone to being bussed, but if he were town you don't think they'd push that as an easy ml as well? like sure he could be mafia but it's not because everyone wants to lynch an afk player
I didn't react to GB's claim 'cause it was obvious it was fake. He did something like that in Himalayas
On October 06 2015 20:59 rsoultin wrote: okay guys here's the deal
PAY ATTENTION!
rels is mafia
things that make his claim false - lack of reaction to GB's roleblocker claim - 1-shot not claiming at start of day...he's expended his RB and can narrow the lynch pool. this is always the best play - rels' response to md's claim - first he goes to "check" on the rescind and even asks rayn why rels isn't blue - determination to see md lynched cause their "can't be two rb'rs! ^ one of these two things is not like the other. there's no reason for him to hide if he's really 1-shot, so he should have instantaneously cc'd if he believes the second point. he didn't
regarding md...there is no scum-motivated reason to say that there could be two rb's...even if you go, oh, he's afraid! the simple truth is that lynching a town roleblocker ends the game for scum. there's nothing to be afraid of. yolo. him or me. fight to the death. secondly, leaving the true town roleblocker alive gives him a chance to catch out scum, and there's no way for scum to know if rels' 1-shot claim is true or not - plus he actually did react to gb and scumread him - plus he claimed in lylo, which is the correct move, and he did it while not under pressure
rels is mafia and if he isn't the game ends today, which is just as well
lynch rels with me for ultimate glory! either i recover this game for y'all, or i go out with an awesome bang of stupidness! we will call it the rsoul crusade! gird your loins, gents, draw your swords, and obtain everlasting glory!
fuck you stupid moron. There is a very good reason I didn't claim at the beginning of the day. That's also the reason I know for sure he's fake claiming. And I waited before ccing to see yours and sicklucker's reactions to Moosy's claim. You remarked that I didn't react to GB's claim; but when I show: - Moosy was in the thread, talking to GB when he claimed - Moosy wasn't scumreading GB at EON - Moosy knew GB rescinded 1 hour after EON It all makes sense to you. You're the most frustrating person I've ever played with. I'm not sure that makes you mafia but I used all my care yesterday. See you tomorrow if I'm alive
On October 06 2015 21:27 MoosyDoosy wrote: Rels, let me ask you this. When you have vague suspicion someone can be Mafia and you have no idea wtf Townblocker is useful for and you just went through the effort to PM all 3 hosts individually, would you change your roleblock? Because I frankly just did not care enough to do so.
fuck you too. Why are you doing this to me so you played the best newbie scum game of all time last game and you're not smart enough to read your role ??? Get the fuck out
well drop this line from the case then. Doesn't change the fucking fact you dropped the scumread on him, then somehow knew he rescinded 1 hour after deadline; when you clearly stated you didn't know he rescinded N1. That's a fucking lie
Rsoultin: I'm apologizing for calling you a stupid moron. It was really out of place. Not related to the apology, I was warned for this exact post. I suppose I deserved it.
On October 07 2015 06:54 The Shining wrote: I don't play Mon Tues and only signed up to play with Damdred so its w.e. I guess I should just start cursing and screaming about how Im town and you're all fucking bad to get confirmed like GB did.
OK this is a little townie. Moosy is not here. Lynch moosy
rsoultin I'm really sorry. It was not an act, more like me being mad at my mislynch Moosy being blue, people not lyching him after my fakeclaim, and me realizing I made a mistake ... anyway here it is. Good job on solving the game <3
On October 07 2015 07:43 LightningStrike wrote: Also Rels and Sicklucker why you two conceded? I don't think we would of caught you two honestly lol.
'cause I fakeclaimed, so people were going to keep Moosy and I for last; sicklucker was 99% the lynch; and I tried to switch to Moosy last second 'cause I thought GB switched. I've been battraped p:
On October 07 2015 07:45 MoosyDoosy wrote: -stretches-
still surprised people thought Rels' case was good. i didn't bother refuting it which I guess was my fault but it was still very, very bad.
Your play was very illogical. I would have pushed you as town p: Your tone and attitude were soooooo townie though. It's no wonder rsoultin townread you and rayn scumread you
I made a terrible mistake fakeclaiming a roleblocker. I was so sure I could get Moosy lynched I didn't care about future implications; and future implications meant that if my partners were caught, I would be left alive with Moosy and lose 1v1. Since Shining then sicklucker were caught, my mistake backfired hard and we lost. )=
We also made a mistake a few hours ago. SL and I adviced The Shining to not say anything; that was while GB was being pushed. If he had entered the thread that moment with angry posts, I'm pretty sure Moosy was the lynch.
Talking about the "angry post meta" fucking thing. I really felt we were fucked by that at some point. Like "Damdred is conf town because he's angry" and "LS is conf town because he screams at me" is bullshit meta. Nothing to do to counter that. Even I got townread by rayn because of a stupid rage post. I feel this really needs to stop for mafia to have an even chance to fight; and for this to stop, the players in question needs to improve their scumgames.
Finally, blues. Fucking blues. I was so mad at them the moment Moosy claimed roleblocker p: like if Moosy was VT, the game was 100% won. It also was probably won if I didn't idiotly fakeclaimed though. (=
Last words, I had a ton of fun playing this game. See you in the next one (=
On October 07 2015 07:46 MoosyDoosy wrote: Also, as a general note, I honestly did not read the oP which is again my fault but there's that. I still don't really know what the townblocker does so if anyone would care to help...?
If you roleblock the mafia carrying the kill, the kill is stopped. (=
On October 07 2015 08:00 Rels wrote: Talking about the "angry post meta" fucking thing. I really felt we were fucked by that at some point. Like "Damdred is conf town because he's angry" and "LS is conf town because he screams at me" is bullshit meta. Nothing to do to counter that. Even I got townread by rayn because of a stupid rage post. I feel this really needs to stop for mafia to have an even chance to fight; and for this to stop, the players in question needs to improve their scumgames.
Thsi is another reason why i just stopped playing mafia, except for invite games.
On October 07 2015 08:00 Rels wrote: So the game from my mafia perspective:
I made a terrible mistake fakeclaiming a roleblocker. I was so sure I could get Moosy lynched I didn't care about future implications; and future implications meant that if my partners were caught, I would be left alive with Moosy and lose 1v1. Since Shining then sicklucker were caught, my mistake backfired hard and we lost. )=
We also made a mistake a few hours ago. SL and I adviced The Shining to not say anything; that was while GB was being pushed. If he had entered the thread that moment with angry posts, I'm pretty sure Moosy was the lynch.
Talking about the "angry post meta" fucking thing. I really felt we were fucked by that at some point. Like "Damdred is conf town because he's angry" and "LS is conf town because he screams at me" is bullshit meta. Nothing to do to counter that. Even I got townread by rayn because of a stupid rage post. I feel this really needs to stop for mafia to have an even chance to fight; and for this to stop, the players in question needs to improve their scumgames.
Finally, blues. Fucking blues. I was so mad at them the moment Moosy claimed roleblocker p: like if Moosy was VT, the game was 100% won. It also was probably won if I didn't idiotly fakeclaimed though. (=
Last words, I had a ton of fun playing this game. See you in the next one (=
Emotion can be faked and I've seen people catching fake emotions all the time
100%. Just look, LS immediately townread sicklucker and Shining for that...
Yeah that's true. Shining coming back sooner would have probably won us the game then )= But we kinda hoped for Damdred to get scumread at least a little bit; and almost nothing p:
On October 07 2015 08:03 MoosyDoosy wrote: Hts I think scum team showed there hand and they lost the draw if I'm right. Four people tried to push off shining including shining.
There's no way all three sxum aren't in shining, GB, rels and sl
Sl was most obvious this eod attacking people for voting his top scum read which dissapeared magically.
Moosey has to be rb over rels so rels is scum and shining is being pushed off of.
If town is smart they auto win at this point. 164 scott31337Person was signed in when posted 10-06-2015 06:00 PM ET (US) MMM this post from damdred is pretty sexy
Damdred had the entire scumteam nailed as soon as he died via strongman. Good on him.
And much agreed with Trfel, he in my eyes was MVP. He lacked thread pull and interestingly enough was more influential through his death because of that.
Going to sleep! Thanks Hts and ksc for hosting. Maybe fidei too, even if he didn't get me French oak ... That game was run perfectly. No improvement needed
I'm super happy I played well, and my mistakes were very clear: apathetic early days, brought shining unnecessarily into the spotlight D2, had only Moosy as a mislynch target D3 without a backup plan, stupid fakeclaim D3. So boys, you've been warned; I won't do them again
Will post my (almost) all vanilla super soon, for those interested! Still have a few things to discuss with Hts then we ll be good to go. If anyone in interested in cohosting; an American cohost would be awesome!
On October 07 2015 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: I liked the last day phase. The case/votes on GlowingBear basically solved the game (regardless of Rels/Moosy alignment). Rels you should have not claimed. I understand your reasoning but you have to think further. You didn't, obviously because you wanted to win the game there. That was a mistake because Shining was really really likely to be lynched anyways. Well played anyways.
Yeah I made a huuuuuuge mistake. I even was one of the main pusher of Shining; really should just have stucked in him. I saw Moosy's claim had a lot of holes and thought there was no way people would want to lynch outside of us two. sicklucker even warned me not to counter claim; but I had my fucking breadcrumb prepared just for that case, it was soooo tempting. p:
rayn that's true you scumread a lot of townie, but you played a big part in town victory. You decided rsoultin was town after seeing the townie trait in her; then pushed GB and saw he was town. After that, the game was solved because I had stupidly counter claimed. So GG; I thought you were more likely to lynch Moosy than Trfel, looks like I was wrong. (=
On October 07 2015 21:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rels you know what; You actually had a chance after people didn't want to lynch Moosy. You should have claimed scum (not literally, but make people lynch you) and then kill Moosy.
Yeah I had a lot of options. I shouldn't have been so fixated on Moosy
On October 07 2015 22:53 Damdred wrote: While it might be true townies have a habit of cracking which isn't good... Its not exactly right or good when you know how to get them to crack to push them past those points.
Imo I never cracked this game due to being called mafia, I yelled at Marv for other things he yelled at me for other things. It was unfortunate and mafia unrelated.
Anyway yrah
-plops on a damdy- ^^
i don't know why we're being blamed for being emotional anyway? i was tunneled by rayn for a very long time beforehand and managed okay @.@ ish
and if damdy cannot be emotional as mafia, it's not his fault if we take his emotions as town indicators. it's not like he deliberately shows no emotion as mafia just to be read town
and blaming ls at all is silly. i think you know that, rayn
Wait did he blame me for something? Jesus I never get a break when I play
LOL p: I love playing with you, you always say the funniest thing ever. Like when you linked my scum game to Trfel and he answered you sarcastically, and you were like "oh no prob I found it quickly because I played it in". I found that super funny (=
On October 04 2015 01:50 Trfel wrote: I'm going to lynch The Shining with whoever wants to lynch scum, then.
Rels is actually working with me, so he gets a pass for today. Even if he's mafia, he's much more enjoyable to play with than some of these other people, and he does give the impression that he's actually trying to solve the game (even if he gives this impression as scum as well, though I didn't read his scum game).
On October 08 2015 00:02 KelsierSC wrote: game was good , cohosting was fun.
I thought town was totally lost after day 2 but they turned it around somehow. I don't know if mafia made major mistakes or town played very well on day 3.
The mass exodus is concerning, I hope you can all be persuaded to return soon.
town was fucked had I not been randomly roleblocker. I was literally too scummy to be shot during the night and everything was planned around trying to kill me. lol. #bestbluerole2015
^ basically damn you! You tricked me into this (= my "why are you doing this to me" post was not a lie but my exact feeling p: But that's one way to play as town; you make sudden changes so you see who react weirdly. In retrospect fakeclaiming was the only way to lose this game; but in the heat of the moment it seemed like a super good idea =D BTW what did you learn about my scumgame ? You said something like "now I know how to read the guy" earlier
On October 08 2015 00:02 KelsierSC wrote: game was good , cohosting was fun.
I thought town was totally lost after day 2 but they turned it around somehow. I don't know if mafia made major mistakes or town played very well on day 3.
The mass exodus is concerning, I hope you can all be persuaded to return soon.
town was fucked had I not been randomly roleblocker. I was literally too scummy to be shot during the night and everything was planned around trying to kill me. lol. #bestbluerole2015
^ basically damn you! You tricked me into this (= my "why are you doing this to me" post was not a lie but my exact feeling p: But that's one way to play as town; you make sudden changes so you see who react weirdly. In retrospect fakeclaiming was the only way to lose this game; but in the heat of the moment it seemed like a super good idea =D BTW what did you learn about my scumgame ? You said something like "now I know how to read the guy" earlier
mmm...I'll keep it a secret. As a hint, I did catch it early on but then changed it when you started tunneling on me which I thought was a town trait. But I was initially right.
héhé you better not scumread me when I'm town or I will quote this post and get you lynched p:
On October 08 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: but you'll get an invite if/when i host/organize a game. You play well. No bullshit, only mafia. I like it
On October 08 2015 00:47 Rels wrote: rayn I feel very bad that you're quitting The two towngames we played together were sooo cool and we owned scum in both I hope you'll come back soon
you're hoping for something that will not happen unfortunately.
On October 08 2015 00:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like you are not necessarily the best town/scum player, but you are really good as town, and when you play scum you are like... "uncatchable" (not literally -- you know what i mean). Your scumplay goes to the same category i have never seen from people except for HF, DP and wbg (Palmar to an extent). It is a really big compliment. You should appreciate it.
bah we'll see. I have a long way to go before playing town like you do! At the moment I had a lot of fun in every game I played (= except that part where I called rsoultin a stupid moron because I was mad
On October 08 2015 01:05 Rels wrote: bah we'll see. I have a long way to go before playing town like you do! At the moment I had a lot of fun in every game I played (= except that part where I called rsoultin a stupid moron because I was mad
lol <3
i consider it a compliment, really! for a rational scum rels to respond to my case like that means i had a rock-solid case
i mentioned in the QT to nocturne that your response actually solidified my scumread, since you were trying to figure out the scum between sicklucker and myself and your response to my case on you was
"you stupid moron!" lol
but i doubt i'll be able to explain why the emotions don't fit a town mindset to anyone who doesn't understand it just seeing it my Achilles heel so to speak...or one of them
Yeah that case was really the best case that could made on me. Well fucking played. I played sloppily at times but the only real inconsistent thing was that I townread GB N1 when I claimed roleblocker, and you nailed it. I was so mad because moosy claim made one million less sense than mine, he had so many things illogical that I pointed out, and I was caught by one smaaaaaall thing :p
On October 08 2015 01:05 Rels wrote: bah we'll see. I have a long way to go before playing town like you do! At the moment I had a lot of fun in every game I played (= except that part where I called rsoultin a stupid moron because I was mad
lol <3
i consider it a compliment, really! for a rational scum rels to respond to my case like that means i had a rock-solid case
i mentioned in the QT to nocturne that your response actually solidified my scumread, since you were trying to figure out the scum between sicklucker and myself and your response to my case on you was
"you stupid moron!" lol
but i doubt i'll be able to explain why the emotions don't fit a town mindset to anyone who doesn't understand it just seeing it my Achilles heel so to speak...or one of them
Yeah that case was really the best case that could made on me. Well fucking played. I played sloppily at times but the only real inconsistent thing was that I townread GB N1 when I claimed roleblocker, and you nailed it. I was so mad because moosy claim made one million less sense than mine,he had so many things illogical that I pointed out, and I was caught by one smaaaaaall thing :p
what you're missing is that what i've highlighted is generally townie
usually (not always) town claims can be very messy and illogical and things don't make sense. mafia claims are usually much tidier.
didn't read any of the game past when I died, but I kinda assume that was the case here also.
Yeah that's true. That's why rsoultin pushed me. Didn't change the fact I was mad
On October 08 2015 02:22 rsoultin wrote: i pointed out many things
i appealed to tone i appealed to discrepancies i appealed to logic
lol ><
i did straight up setup analysis that pretty much proved that moosy's claim of a full roleblocker was more credible for pure balance reasons than rels' 1-shot claim
but ^^ i did not say the magic words (whatever those might have been) that would have shown you what i saw, rayn i was hoping that the logic of my case would do it
tbf though, rels, i actually was trying to see if maybe i was wrong and your responses were more reasonable than MD's, assuming one of you was the real roleblocker. it wasn't specifically reasons to call you out over him despite being fairly sure that MD's claim was the more credible for tone and setup reasons
I actually thought about claiming 2 shot after a while, it could have been logical In my "fuck you" post I even alluded to it (I said I had a very good reason to not claim at the start of the day) Maybe I should have tried it p:
On October 08 2015 07:51 coolTLname wrote: WE WON ?!!?! :O .
Guess im 100% in mafia guise time to retire
=D you played super well for your first game (= sorry to push you so hard, but I needed you to die p: If you want to continue, I'll advise you to play in the next newbie game. You know, the one you /out from and still didn't start! You will have a coach and that help sooooo much at the begining. Plus, I'm playing in it and I would be happy to play with you again; your resilience, posting so much when you were being pushed so hard for two days, was admirable. Come in if you want to play!
EPT
while waiting to see if anyone would take the bait, you're right. but your little theory falls apart because you assume that i'd for some god-awful reason not link this to the other myriad times you did it and at worst null read you for it
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