Season of the Witch 2 - Page 76

On September 21 2015 06:55 Half the Sky wrote:
In your world, why does this make James a higher probability of being scum?

On September 21 2015 01:12 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright.

I'm on my way home, I was out all last night, I was out all day today. Since the husband is going into League marathon mode before work tonight (kill me please) I am setting aside HOURS to sort through this shit.

Offhand as I recall the questions

- is LS capable of lying/fakeclaim history
OFFHAND - I know for a fact he fakeclaimed Named Town in Himalayas and that was massive controversy after he rescinded the fakeclaim. He had a MAJOR breakdown when the pressure piled on him that almost got him in trouble with the hosting team (Fecalfeast and I had some discussion on it) but ultimately we settled for a post-game warning (reference Ban List 2.0)
- has LS ever fakeclaimed as mafia? Honestly NOT THAT I RECALL. I think he was lynched very early and picked off early in Witchcraft 3. In TL LXX Guardians he was tracked to the N1 kill. In my first ever game, Student IV, he sacrificed himself, both blues were dead so he did not fakeclaim.

- is he capable of lying? honestly he has a very difficult time. He said so himself in Witchcraft 3. He doesn't like playing scum because of the lying.

- is he capable of breaking meta? Well in JOAT he fooled us once, but he played VERY close to meta as coached by geript. To my knowledge he hasn't broken meta in a manner that benefits him as mafia.

On September 21 2015 01:58 Half the Sky wrote:
2000 my time is not a problem btw. Will be here before and through.

Also the meta for FF I'm seeing so far is the "lazy town" meta. I'm reading through Carnaval for possible parallels, but he's spammy as shit there. And I mean really spammy "shit up the thread".

Rels having 17 pages of filter btw I'm not sure is indicative. I don't think he's been mafia but his posts have had direction and he scumhunts in a very conversational fashion, fishing for reactions and such. Which contributes to his longer filter. The question to hit upon is whether he's misleading and misdirectional if anything and so far I'm not seeing it.

On September 21 2015 01:59 Half the Sky wrote:
EBWOP - on Rels - "I don't think he's been mafia before on TL and in this game his posts have had...

On September 21 2015 02:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
Is there any situation where we want to use the IML mechanic as town? It seems to me like longer days are always the best way to go unless we have an outed mafia spamming gifs or something

On September 21 2015 02:30 Half the Sky wrote:


Nope. The OGI is related to your personal life, which is why I stopped short of talking about it. I highlighted the parts from stuff you said about your university coursework that alluded to it.

I admit I am a bit cautious on you breaking meta to lie but for what I know it is still in the tinfoil world for me - you've never done it before and you openly admitted in QTs/etc that you don't want to/won't do it - and I'd be a bit more concerned if you were still alive late game. The fact that BM had to coach you on Skype on how to pull it off (and you still couldn't) in witchcraft 3 is clear indication enough.

In Guardians I don't think you had to deal with any of that, and you claimed scum anyhow when you were tracked by Trfel. You didn't even try getting around it at all.

On September 21 2015 02:40 Rels wrote:
Your page argument is stupid though. I don't know why having 17 pages is alignment indicative

On September 21 2015 02:39 Rels wrote:

No :p was talking to bm

On September 21 2015 02:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now if people cant fucking understand that really easy fact that should be clear for like a 10yr old, then i don't see qa reason why i should be posting here rn.

On September 21 2015 03:00 Rels wrote:

OK I got it. If we decided to lynch town today, the best lynch would be ls since he claimed
By that logic, we should have lynched vivax yesterday
Lynching mafia > lynching claimed town > lynching unclaimed town
But here is what we can do. If we cannot agree to a target before deadline, the judge should lynch ls

On September 20 2015 23:16 Rels wrote:
to lynch town today

On September 20 2015 23:16 Rels wrote:
lynch town

On September 21 2015 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

and what kinda idiotic statement this is?
the situation is completely different.

On September 21 2015 03:05 Rels wrote:
I would lynch ls if I was 50% unsure he was mafia
But I am maybe 90% sure he's town. And I'm 90% sure bm is mafia
And don't play your martyr. You know very well that if you really want ls lynch, you'll get ls lynch. You always manage to convince me to do what you think

On September 21 2015 07:40 Bill Murray wrote:
putting it on LS as a placeholder because im not risking not voting.
Will probably move my vote, but might not. Sorry LS.

On September 21 2015 03:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
I will sheep rayn in lieu of reading words

##deadlinevote ls

On September 21 2015 03:06 Rels wrote:
You know what
I agree to lynch ls if the exorcist shoot bm

On September 21 2015 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I would prefer James but i don't really care about this game anymore. Maybe you are right but i am 90% sure BM is not mafia.

If people won't even try to understand why this thing must be played in a certain way when there are soup kills and mafia gets the roles of NK'd ppl then it's going to be impossible to win already.

On September 21 2015 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am going to try to say this once more.

The reason why Vivax claimed on D1 is because then people cannot hide behind claims and HAVE to play this game by just.. playing the game. There are people who do that as town, like Dandel. Apparently he didn't give any fucks and i hate it. And i know it's because he just.. .didn't give a shit because "he gets to shoot anyways". Which is idiotic. That role is one of the best roles lategame because it cannot be counterclaimed ever, otherwise you just die.

Well, LS has not played, at all. When geript died mafia got his role. Now LS claims the ONLY thing that he can basically ever claim as mafia. Because it can (and i believe mafia thinks it will) force out a counter claim. LS is going to die anyways if he doesn't claim and he knows that. If he claims he does the best thing for scum if someone counter-claims. Because then mafia can STILL soup two people. Vivax, and the claim.

Here is why the lynch is the best:
1) LS is mafia - obviously best scenario
2) LS is town and we lynch him - we know he is town because exorcist shoot someone, hopefully mafia (yes i am really sure James is mafia), on D3 -> D2/N2 there were 2 dead town, 1 dead mafia
3) LS is town and we do not lynch him -> we lynch mafia instead - On N2 mafia soups LS + Vivax. SAME FUCKING POSITION.
4) LS is town and we do not lynch him -> we lynch town - Exorcist shoots mafia. On N2 mafia soups LS + Vivax. WORSE FUCKING POSITION.
5) LS is town and we do not lynch him -> we lynch town - Exorcist shoots LS. On N2 mafia kills whoever. WORSE FUCKING POSITION.

The only scenario, even if we lynch mafia that is not LS, is WORSE/SAME than lynching him.
The only scenario which is BETTER is if we lynch him and is mafia.
IT IS THE BEST PLAY REGARDLESS OF HIS AFFILIATION.

On September 21 2015 03:21 LightningStrike wrote:
Not worries Rayn Geript and I forgive you and so will God

On September 21 2015 03:54 Fecalfeast wrote:

which post do you mean from me?

I don't think we should assume he is a green check and I think he is still on the table for lynch. I think the lack of a red check claim might buy him today but if he doesn't pick it up I don't care about implied cop checks

On September 21 2015 05:19 Tictock wrote:


I'm a little confused by this question.

My "numbers post" had nothing to do with LS, it was purely an attempt to make sure that a claim and soup kill today did not leave town in a shitty spot.

Why is my post dumb? There was 3 people who did the exact same type of post. What about mine in particular is dumb?

If LS is town and we lynch him then town is pretty SoL. Being 5/3 or at best 6/2 going into D3 is going to suck. Even worse if the crusader gets picked off and takes a townie with him.

I'm not completly sold on it just yet, but I'm thinking it's pretty likely LS is scum at this juncture. (Shoutout to Waffel-Boy who couldn't be in this game). Mostly my read on him is based on his lack of reads despite having a large filter. I also thought his position on Dandel was strange going into EoD. He asked at one point if we thought Dandel was just trolling or was mafia. Rels posted a mafia case on Dandel well before EoD (when LS was around, but he ignored/missed it) then a few hours before EoD LS comes back calling Dandel trolly town. Other than that "read" I've only seen LS give opinions on Geript, Damdred, Rayn, and when pushed rather un-opinionated reads on myself and Fidei.

@ BM

This reminded me you asked me a questions about LS's long post about his Damdred read. I thought it was a pretty useless post, tbh. All he really did was pull a bunch of quotes from his filter and state what each was a response to. Was made even more useless since Vivax had just been asking him for reads, but then he goes and rehashed an old read like he was proving something.

On September 21 2015 07:42 LightningStrike wrote:

At least I know I will be in a better place if I get lynched and actually talk with geript about who to angel save.

On September 21 2015 07:53 Bill Murray wrote:

what do you mean here? (ff)


@ RELS (BUT EVERYONE NEEDS TO HEED THIS WARNING) ;( ........ i already told people NOT TO DO THIS. Geript did it and it was BAD PLAY
why the hell would you claim what role you're not? that's terrible !!!
Do you understand what souping is???
DO.NOT.CLAIM.WHAT.ROLE.YOU'RE.NOT


OH AND RAYN CHIMES IN
THANKS FOR HELPING MAFIA GUYS


there is only 1 problem with your plan, but i really can't say what it is right now

it's not really a problem, it's just slightly better scenario for us (in my opinion) and really is in regards to playstyle in general so it is semantic and doesn't have meaning to this conversation

Really excellent post, point, and sentiment, Rayn. Bravo. Glad I'm already voting LS because this is an S+ concept. Buy more wards, though :D


LMFAO


LOL


I feel like FecalFeast dodged the meat and bones of HtS's questions here... FF's response doesn't sit well with me. I can't put my finger on why, though.


I forgot I asked you about that, but I'm glad you remembered.
I just thought it was odd, especially the fact he called it a long post. It was just a few short snippets of responses that felt discombobulated ... almost as if his teammate made the post for him. It didn't sound like an LS post in general... I'm going to go reread that. I'm glad you brought this up.

On September 21 2015 05:22 Tictock wrote:


Oh shit I forgot about this role if we mislynch again today... I'm bad.

"Vivax said my Damdred read had very little substance or something along those lines and I made that post explaining my position on Damdred throughout the game and why I thought the things I did during those posts."

On September 21 2015 08:00 LightningStrike wrote:
But in all honesty it might be the best to lynch me so I can tell Geript how bad his read on me was and actually try to make hero plays with the Angel Saves Mechanics

On September 21 2015 07:58 Bill Murray wrote:

this is a game, not real life; you're not going to heaven
if you wanna look at it that way, though, if you're really the pope, you should be happy with where you're at right now
.... all you can really do here as town is SCUMHUNT like i've said to do... like... go through pages 1-70... pick page 57 for example... and read through it trying to find whose words would have come from scum.

If you want a good idea to do, while doing that, that will help you, read what people are saying and try to not look at their names... just read the words that are being posted.... that way you aren't reading it like the person posted that and you're reading what they posted instead which would help you

if you do this for me ill unvote you and try to get other people to lynch someone else because im not as sure you're scum as everyone else is sure you're scum...

i really would like to give you 1 more day to see where you are at this game and put you on probation instead of sending you to the noose

Will you do that for me? go to pages Fifty Seven to Sixty and just read them and talk about 2 to 3 people that are scum. dont talk about who is town, talk about who is scum. dont give information about what they said so much as do analysis of why they are scum for saying it and what makes them scum for the motivation of doing it.

On September 21 2015 08:01 Bill Murray wrote:
LS said"

Well, in your defense, Damdred has had very little substance, low impact, and no energy So how could your case have a lot of substance, when there isn't anything to build it off of?