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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
September 17 2015 15:48 GMT
#861
well i certainly am not a host
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 17 2015 16:55 GMT
#862
Ok so checking back on LS.

I felt like the way LS defending himself early was decent, and most of the arguments against him were based in meta which he provided counter-examples to.

My issue when reading his filter though is that it is almost all him defending and answering questions. LS has very few reads, and only really pushes Damdred.

Maybe I missed some posts but all I got from his filter was that LS is scumreading Damdred > geript, and that he thinks Rayn is town, and likes BM.

The werid thing about his reads that Rels was pointing out is how he says this about geript before pushing Damdred.
On September 16 2015 03:15 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So geript is your scumread?
Does it affect you at all i am telling you there is literally no way he is mafia in this game?

Also at the time you made thw post you got called out for, did you seriously think i am mafia for pushing a retarded role claim? Like i know you value my opinion, and i am not stupid. Did it not come to your mind to think a bit more about why i say what i do? I find this really hard to believe LS. Thats why i think you are mafia atm.

Geript is my scumread. No it wont change unless he start doing some townie things. At the time I didn't read the OP very well so ofc I thought your role claim thing was stupid. Well I turned to be sounding like a idiot for not reading the OP very well >.> It now makes much more sense after rereading the OP for the Martyr claim plan you had setup.


then
On September 16 2015 03:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LightningStrike do you have any other scumreads than geript?

Damdred he only made like 2-3 posts and 1 is him saying I could be mafia without any explanation at all which is so unlike him at all when he's town. Rels could be town but Ticktock null I need to reread his filter when I get home. Rayn I think your town I was just being a jackass earlier regarding you I'm sorry what can I do to make up for it?

On September 17 2015 01:46 LightningStrike wrote:
I honestly just want to lynch Damdred for the reasons why I scumreading him. Also I think Rayn should be the Grail holder since he is almost certainly town. I prob wont be around EoD because of class ends at Eo so Damdrd is my vote for today's lynch.
##Deadline Vote: Damdred
##Holy Grail Vote: Raynpelikoneet


When pressured to read me LS only comes up with null like he has all game, and besides this post I can't find anytime that he's trying to read anyone else.

On September 16 2015 05:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I just read Danel's filter and saw him claim Miller and I checked the op and there are no Miller's in the OP idk if he's trolling or mafia or both. Thoughts guys?


But LS ignored Rel's case about Dandel when he was around earlier.

It also seems pretty clear LS has no interest in the grail vote. Votes for rayn without bothering to consider anything about the grail (or that rayn is voting for geript to have it). Posts this
On September 17 2015 05:53 LightningStrike wrote:
I guess I can just be happy we got 25 hours till EoD so we still got plenty of time to still think about the Grail vote.


But then has no opinion about the grail when I asked him.

All in all I'm not liking what I see. Rayn is probably right here.
I can take that responsibility.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
September 17 2015 16:57 GMT
#863
On September 17 2015 22:00 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 09:41 Damdred wrote:
I'm going to vote ff for grail at this point. He's pretty obvious town, rels is pretty obvious town.

I'm sorta short I'll be more active tommorow just doing a major party for work.


This post makes me question giving FF the grail a bit.

I'm thinking FF is town, but the way Damdred lists FF and Rels together as two obvious town is strange to me. I see a few posts in FF's filter that look pretty towny but I wouldn't group him with obviously town Rels.

Plus ofc I'm scum reading Damdred so...

@FF you are scumreading Damdred for similar reasons to me I think.

How does him wanting to give you the grail affect your read on him?

it does not

lynchables:
damdred
LS
BM
Dandel

fuck em all
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
September 17 2015 17:13 GMT
#864
Ehh I honestly can't be bothered to make a case for myself getting the grail. Rels has a solid read on me this game though.

I might be fine giving it to FF, but at some level he's doing the same thing Damdred did. However FF is at least showing he gives a few shits about this game.

I'm not doing a good job managing me time, I think I'll have to cast my votes during my meal break at work.
I can take that responsibility.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
September 17 2015 17:17 GMT
#865
how am I doing what damdred has done? I've provided thoughts I found relevant while not promising anything more. I have responded to all questions I have seen directed toward me and am keeping caught up.
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
September 17 2015 17:18 GMT
#866
Damdred has multiple times said he will provide content and has yet to deliver save for a flip-flop on his shining read
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 17 2015 17:54 GMT
#867
Oh shove it up your ass ff.

Calling my change on shining a flip flop is totally bullshit at best. SHINING should agree with me that my meta read is correct on him in the regard I said it.

He did things that fit with his town meta that he can't fake as scum so I read him town. So no its not a flip flop its a re evaluation so you calling it a flip flop is bullshit and just trying to influence people to look at me in a more negative light.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 17 2015 18:10 GMT
#868
Though lynching me here might not be a horrid decision...i won't be able to play full time till sunday
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 17 2015 18:12 GMT
#869
Literally 0 reason to give the grail to FF just because he "survives a lot. Like the grail isn't that important. The big thing is to make sure town gets it. So vote for me or we can vote for Vivax. I really don't care which of us gets it.

Otherwise. I really don't get the Damdred lynch. I really don't. It should say something that Rayn and I are on teh same train of thought even if I'm half removed from the game and he's getting on a cruise or something.

I'll be back in ~hour or so after I relax with league for abit.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
September 17 2015 18:51 GMT
#870
On September 18 2015 02:54 Damdred wrote:
Oh shove it up your ass ff.

Calling my change on shining a flip flop is totally bullshit at best. SHINING should agree with me that my meta read is correct on him in the regard I said it.

He did things that fit with his town meta that he can't fake as scum so I read him town. So no its not a flip flop its a re evaluation so you calling it a flip flop is bullshit and just trying to influence people to look at me in a more negative light.

So am I scum for it?
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 17 2015 18:52 GMT
#871
Actually id like to say a couple of things about ls, for the record IM at 65/35% that he's town at this point so I sorta don't want to vote him even if he is the counter wagon to me.

The big thing that makes me doubt him is the way he's handling the situation with me saying id be ok with deadline voting ls and never doing so btw. The problem is that he is totally leaving context out of what he's saying in that I never called him scum but he was heavily hinting he could be martyr and my comment followed after rayns comment about pressuring him near start of the game.

I find it a pretty crappy reason overall, and I'm effectively a lurker this game so I'm a bit surprised that he doesn't have a stronger scum read at this juncture.

However one of the first things he does that make me go wow this is probably town ls is when he shows that vs meta to show how I go after him as scum. While its worth noting totally different concept and doesn't look the same at all I don't think I can see scum ls trying to call me out and help a lynch on me when I could ub afk and nail him to the wall.

Plus he's been a bit more active then he normally would and seems pretty honest at this juncture.

I think he has a decent shot at being town here so I really don't want to vote him. I'll read some more give more impressions.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 18:55 GMT
#872
Alright this is pretty dead. Like where is hts ? Im pretty sure she said she was going to be there in the afternoon. Guys we had 72 hours to decide three things: who we want to lynch, who to grail and who to check. We have no majority on these subjects, except maybe damdred for the person to check. I think nobody was against that.

So starting now if someone is against damdred being checked say it now, cause after the lynch it will be a silent night. If you need to know why damdred is a good check or why we ned to direct the check, read rayn s filter today.

Once this is done we need to consolidate on one lynch and on one grail. So lets talk about that please. Personally, I've explained why dandel should be the lynch in my case. I also think a bm lynch is OK.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 18:59 GMT
#873
Damdred if you don't think ls or shining are scum, who are your scumread ? Please read my dandel case
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 19:00 GMT
#874
Damdred relating to this: what do you think of dandel thinking shining is scummy for dropping his scumread on you at some point, when you yourself dropped your shining scumread ?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 17 2015 19:02 GMT
#875
No clue poopyfeast. Your filter is sorta devoid of a lot of things that I would normally town or scum read you on.

Your only real pushes or reads seem to be me+grail for yourself. And tour push seems to be the one who jumps on it while saying that I could be town or scum.

So would be towards the bottom of null
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
September 17 2015 19:05 GMT
#876
On September 18 2015 04:02 Damdred wrote:
No clue poopyfeast. Your filter is sorta devoid of a lot of things that I would normally town or scum read you on.

Your only real pushes or reads seem to be me+grail for yourself. And tour push seems to be the one who jumps on it while saying that I could be town or scum.

So would be towards the bottom of null


That's... not bad actually. What do you think of BM and/or dandel
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 17 2015 19:06 GMT
#877
Honestly sand is someone who I could lynch today just because of the hard town read on me without any real reason to be town read.

can you link me to your case so I can read it and give thoughts
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 19:07 GMT
#878
On September 17 2015 22:00 Rels wrote:
Why is Dandel Ion mafia: an easy catch


1. Dandel Ion actively lurked the whole D1
Actively lurking, IE reading the thread but not posting anything interesting or answering questions, is scum indicative. There are no benefits for a townie to do that. The benefits for a mafia to do that are: posting to appear active, not sharing reads mean you cannot be judged on your positions, not answering questions means people cannot understand you.
Plus, here is a geript quote regarding Dandel's scum meta:

Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 04:53 geript wrote:
Dandel might be town but ugh. He usually hates playing as mafia often to the point of getting his team to bus him for credit. Usually as mafia he's low to super low activity, which is what I see here. It's not a 100% thing but I think it's a decent flip.

So Dandel is playing his scum meta this game.

2. Dandel Ion said The Shining was scum for not scumreading Damdred, which is false
Dandel said:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 18:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
On September 17 2015 10:52 Half the Sky wrote:
So if your first post was serious why are you trusting the read when you don't know how good his meta shit is?

Am I misunderstanding what you are trying to communicate (in the bolded)?

Particularly when Shining had a very sharp (IMO) reaction to how Damdred scumread him on page 26. What do you make of that then?

If you are being serious and I am understanding you correctly, then I have no idea how you are townreading Damdred.

How am I trusting his read?
Sharp? shining is an obvious omgusser, yet he didn't even call damdred scum (for that, but also not for anything else, but he sure is trying hard to soft it)

shining is just scum it's really that simple

That is not true. Shining is not "trying hard to soft" attack Damdred. He is currently voting Damdred and said his vote won't move until deadline:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 09:46 The Shining wrote:
##deadlinevote Damdred
##HolyGrail Fecalfeast

Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 09:42 The Shining wrote:
So Damdred comes back with more nothing, while WIFOMing his alignment in not one but two games. Bro, I hate you right now. W.e I'm done, see you guys at deadline.

Don't really care who gets the grail, either. Give it to whoever will be nkd n1 so this slow game can end fast.


3. Dandel doesn't answer my questions but attacks me as a person
Not talking about his trolling, but about that bit right there:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 19:08 Dandel Ion wrote:
inb4 french scum takes this as excuse to rub all over my balls like he wanted to the whole game

I didn't push Dandel the whole day. D1 I put him in a useful list of useless people to warn him and others they should not be useless in this game. D2 I voted him and specifically said I would re evaluate when he starts playing. Only now I truly believe he is scum.
So Dandel Ion is lying about me attacking him the whole day.

BUT the reverse is true.
D1 when I posted the first version of the useful list, Dandel's reaction was:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 17:23 Dandel Ion wrote:
On September 15 2015 17:20 Rels wrote:
OK let's bring back this little thing.

The useful list of useless people
The Shining
HTS
LS
fidei
Dandel Ion

If one person is still in this list at deadline I'll push him hard

oh no

And when he continues being here while still being useless, I put him into the "maybe scum category", his reaction was:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 18:42 Dandel Ion wrote:
On September 15 2015 18:34 Rels wrote:
Going to grab some lunch so I'll be AFK until later. Here is my brain right now:

Town
rayn
Vivax
TT

Maybe town
Damdred
geript

Null
FF
HTS
fidei
BM

Maybe scum
Dandel Ion

Scum
The Shining
LS

See you all later (=

lynch imo


So Dandel is accusing me of something I didn't do, but he has actually done to me.

Conclusion
Dandel is mafia for actively lurking, not helping others to understand him, having one of his two reads based on something false, attacking me as a person. There is a small chance he is Grandier, intentionally playing shitty to get reactions, then sacrificing himself to decide the lynch at the end of the day. I don't believe it as it would be sub optimal play. And even if he is, lynching him is what he wants.

Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
September 17 2015 19:08 GMT
#879
On September 18 2015 04:06 Damdred wrote:
Honestly sand is someone who I could lynch today just because of the hard town read on me without any real reason to be town read.

++
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
September 17 2015 19:22 GMT
#880
I'm here. Caught up but work is busy. Agree with the Damdred check if he isn't lynched but the only other lynch I'd get on is Dandel. Rels case explains why so I won't say it all again but I clearly scummed Damdred multiple times. Dandels refusal to explain anything is probably because he doesn't have anything good to say. Tinfoil: he's scum and bad at it so he's trying to take the lynch for scum Damdred but association in this setup is shit. W.e.

Yes. Rels post was easy to make. I get angsty when people add me to scum or useless list before I started playing. But I was typing that post as I was catching up. As I got to more of his posts, I got a townread off of his efforts and questioning, which was more than the easy post he had made.
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