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I think the case isn't bad.
The weakest point is #1. The geript quote gives it a bit more substance but active lurking can be done by town or by scum. For example I think rels and I played in a student game where we lynched an active lurking mafia, while in a couple games before I lynched an active lurker who was town. That's a weak point overall probably.
the point on shining isn't bad and the attacks on you aren't a bad point.
Overall its not a bad case imo.
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I think its pretty sheepable tbh
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9 votes of 13 people.
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On September 18 2015 04:24 Damdred wrote: I think its pretty sheepable tbh :p Any thoughts on vivax case on bm ?
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we've established this; never listen to geript about meta
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looking at it now. still catching up due to 2 games.
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Brb and I'll give thoughts
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OK if we are in agreement to check damdred then we need to not lynch him. Pretty happy about that situation tbh damdred is a strong player, so tomorrow he will either be a confirmed town or mafia. Or dead I suppose. But that would mean rayn and I are alive
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I'm here - catching up.
On September 17 2015 22:06 LightningStrike wrote: Also I checked Ticktock's filter. Got him null still my main thing that bothers me is his unnatural read progression regarding me. First he called me scum than later he said I was town for some of my reactions yet it doesn't seem natural. His mind seem to change a lot with thread sentiment.
Can you elaborate on this? Namely, can you highlight or give the page/reference (top right hand corner) numbers?
And also more critically WHAT isn't natural.
What situation did Tictock present that wouldn't make any sense for him to change his read?
And if you are saying his mind changes "a lot" you need to give more examples or show how he just tries to blend in with more people. I found his filter tenuous in the wee hours but this is an entirely different issue you raise that I did not catch on to.
Plus you also need to demonstrate a lack of evidence or a lack of reason for Tictock changing his read. As it stands, I don't particularly like this post.
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On September 17 2015 22:11 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 22:08 Rels wrote:On September 17 2015 22:06 LightningStrike wrote: Also I checked Ticktock's filter. Got him null still my main thing that bothers me is his unnatural read progression regarding me. First he called me scum than later he said I was town for some of my reactions yet it doesn't seem natural. His mind seem to change a lot with thread sentiment. how is it different from everybody's else reactions ? (mine, HTS, rayn at the time, etc.) He only changed with the thread sentiment O_o HTS maybe done the same thing but rayn's read progression was more natural though although he changed his read on me because apparently I reroute shit when some of the questions asked me to explain further which looks like it's rerouting -.-
Alright, so you explained this part about rayn - just saw this now, but now demonstrate how Tictock fails to do this. That's the part I'm not getting.
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1. I try not to sheep Vivax because he's wrong more often than not. 2. Buddying isn't alignment indicative. 3. It's not a very good case IMO.
The townread on reread after scumread at that point is interesting. It's a neat point.
I actually agree w/ Rayn, I think BM is town. Part of it is when I've seen him be mafia, he's like the barest of bare comments on the game. It's possible he's mafia from looking at the second half of his filter, but I don't think the first half really pings that way at all.
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I'm good with the plan to check and not lynch Damdred. Dandel Ion especially after Rels' case would be my top lynch right now.
Need to re-read LS's filter in total though and the case against BM and weigh those two. Off the cuff though right now, I'd still lynch Dandel over those two.
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TBH, I think a check on non-damdred is better. There's a wide variety of lurkers in this game. I'd rather a check on them than anything else.
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On September 18 2015 04:46 geript wrote: TBH, I think a check on non-damdred is better. There's a wide variety of lurkers in this game. I'd rather a check on them than anything else.
Vague. Who do you think is a lurker then? You disagree but then don't offer alternatives. Why not just lynch one today instead?
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I think the best checks woudl be like: Fido/Shining/FF. Shining is outside his meta in meany regards and has a variety of mixed reads on him. Fido has been woefully inactive commpared to his townplay in general and FF is well both FF and generally useless. I think Shining is town, so I'd prefer a fido check. I think he's a better option than Damdred check 100%.
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On September 18 2015 04:46 geript wrote: TBH, I think a check on non-damdred is better. There's a wide variety of lurkers in this game. I'd rather a check on them than anything else.
Don't agree. I thought damdred was scum, and the only making me treat him as town is the certainty of him being confirmed one way or another tomorrow
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Bleh thread, I'm keeping my vote where it is. cba cause I'm gonna die anyway.
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On September 17 2015 22:18 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 12:25 Half the Sky wrote: I'm on the latter part of Tictock's filter and honestly finding his filter direction tenuous in general - I'm assuming he's scumreading Fidei for finding the push on LS suspicious but I thought he stressed part of that reason for scumming Tictock was that the read felt a little "safe" in that other people already were doing it. I didn't see Fidei's read as being unreasonable. Sorta right, I'm not too concerned with Fidei scum reading me kus of my rather flippant post/read on LS at that point. I thought it was odd that he looked at the LS push and went looking for scum pushing LS, also the answers he gave me as to why he thought this were rather poor imo. So I'm scumreading him for looking for easy excuses to call people scum.
Alright, I certainly don't think you are scum for this, but we might have to agree to disagree. Fidei actually stated a justification for why pushing LS could be scummy - namely his playstyle makes him an easy mislynch candidate - and he looked for people that didn't seem to have a solid enough reasoning and/or engagement with LS. I see nothing weak or unusual with this reasoning. Could he be wrong on you? Sure. Does it make him scummy? I don't think so.
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Geript do you think damdred is town ?
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Why is damdred so unmotivated to play the game? His back and forth on LS isn't that bad, but it kinda lacks novelty to me. Doesn't quite convince me to not vote for Dam.
I can be malleable for Dandel shenannies too at this point since he didn't really try to push more on TS, but overall I feel unsure about stuff.
Still would like a BM lynch much but nobody wants that (including mafia apparently).
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