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geript
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On September 18 2015 05:08 Rels wrote: Now geript what is your read on damdred ? Cause there are many scum signs so I don't understand you neither want him lynched or checked I think he's town. I'm not 100% sure of it, but I think he's town. That should be pretty obvious by the fact that I don't want to lynch him. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On September 18 2015 05:16 geript wrote: I think he's town. I'm not 100% sure of it, but I think he's town. That should be pretty obvious by the fact that I don't want to lynch him. OK I suppose the question was bad so I will reformulate: reasons ?? | ||
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Dandel Ion
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geript
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
....but I'm having a tenuous time with the reasoning for him thinking LS may be scum. Taking a harder look at Damdred. On September 17 2015 10:46 Damdred wrote: I can't help it, part of me loves the negative attention. And part of me withers under it. Shining will not disagree with me, and you aren't understanding the read at all. Which is bunk at this point anyway, but shining is extremely emotionally driven even his long posts in games are emotional at points as town and you can feel the I gotcha, frustration happiness etc. However in his scum games he is extremely dry and can't replicate the tone or feeling that he normally does as town. His early posts really fit into his scum meta while his past few posts totally destory the meta read. Even if it makes me have no scum reads idgaf shinny is town to me now. On September 18 2015 02:54 Damdred wrote: Oh shove it up your ass ff. Calling my change on shining a flip flop is totally bullshit at best. SHINING should agree with me that my meta read is correct on him in the regard I said it. He did things that fit with his town meta that he can't fake as scum so I read him town. So no its not a flip flop its a re evaluation so you calling it a flip flop is bullshit and just trying to influence people to look at me in a more negative light. Ugh. Alright, went back through Damdred's/Shining's filter and I can see where this is coming from with respect to the posts Shining made. Per timestamps the Shining therapy post was after the intial scumread and then there was a 3 hour gap where the re-evaluation took place. So this at least flows. On September 18 2015 03:52 Damdred wrote: The big thing that makes me doubt him is the way he's handling the situation with me saying id be ok with deadline voting ls and never doing so btw. The problem is that he is totally leaving context out of what he's saying in that I never called him scum but he was heavily hinting he could be martyr and my comment followed after rayns comment about pressuring him near start of the game. This is the part I'm not understanding. Unless I'm having another derp moment. I thought Damdred had said "I'm fine with a deadline vote on LS" and I took that to mean that could be a scumread. I'm having trouble how he could get a scum LS read or partial read out of this. Can you clarify? | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On September 18 2015 05:19 geript wrote: That's what I remember thinking of him when I've been catching up at various points reading the thread. He's not pinged my radar which, when he's mafia, he usually does. I've understood what he's talked about and it seemed like what he talks about/picked up on when he's town. What about: His inactivity which is his scum meta according to rayn ? The fact that he gave only two obvious townreads ? | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
The LS points are really, really good. I don't get why people aren't sheeping them. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On September 18 2015 05:20 Rels wrote: What about: His inactivity which is his scum meta according to rayn ? The fact that he gave only two obvious townreads ? He's generally less active as mafia; that's true. That doesn't mean inactivity from him means he's mafia. That's strictly not true. I can think of 2 games where he's been busy IRL and less active as town. In both those games IIRC i was able to get a townread on him D1. | ||
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Vivax
22064 Posts
On September 18 2015 05:21 geript wrote: Like I don't have really well thought out, thoroughly developed reads on people, but the thing is that there have been a few that really stuck out to me. Fido not posting much is a big warning light. I think I posted something about him yesterday too when I thought it was deadline. The LS points are really, really good. I don't get why people aren't sheeping them. What ls points | ||
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geript
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On September 18 2015 05:21 geript wrote: Like I don't have really well thought out, thoroughly developed reads on people, but the thing is that there have been a few that really stuck out to me. Fido not posting much is a big warning light. I think I posted something about him yesterday too when I thought it was deadline. The LS points are really, really good. I don't get why people aren't sheeping them. Might sheep them if he doesn't show up in the 30 next minutes and dandel (or someone else) explains why he thought shining was not scumreading damdred | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On September 17 2015 04:53 geript wrote: @Rayn, here's where I'm at: Dandel might be town but ugh. He usually hates playing as mafia often to the point of getting his team to bus him for credit. Usually as mafia he's low to super low activity, which is what I see here. It's not a 100% thing but I think it's a decent flip. LS. I think the meta thing re: questioning your martry claim without having a clear thought/reason/explanation/idea why not still feels very accurate. Another thing that in looking at his filter that really bugs me is the "people that tend to push me genearlly are mafia." I don't think that's actually true. In my experience, usually the first few pushes on him tend to come from town; but I don't think him being wrong on it is damning in and of itself as it could just be a difference in perception. The grail vote is a little odd but eh. A specific thing that bugs me is I'm not seeing him related games to current status. IE he's bringing up games, but it's not really as a marker point relating to the current state. The closest thing is when we were on a scum team in JOAT, but that's not really relational to the game states etc but commentary on how he could see something. Not sure I am explaining that one well. HTS: I kinda like her read on FF. Not a huge fan of her reads post though, specificially: It's really weird to have both me and LS in the scum category, especially since I can be scum because I can bus D1 for great benefit. But there's really not any benefit to bus in this setup and bussing in a no-flip setup for benefit is just a really odd thought. Fido has a few odd posts. Thinking I was mostly RPing in Personality (when I had maybe 1 rp post) and was constantly bitching about the long D1 RP/useless phase. I can't put my finger on this one yet even after staring at his filter for a bit. Maybe I'm just tired. Just get back to me on what you think and which you think is hte best lynch since ~2hrs i think. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Not to mention he's hardly posting in the other game he is currently in. | ||
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Half the Sky
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On September 18 2015 05:23 geript wrote: Also, Damdred only giving 2 "obvious townreads" meh. The count and amount and who on aren't that important. Maybe for you but every I played / obsed with him he started by getting townreads, then poeing his way to scumread. I understand this is meta so it is unreliable, but I m not townreading him. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On September 18 2015 05:24 Fidei86 wrote: @geript I just haven't had a lot of time over the past couple of days. *shrug* no offence to Palmar, but I didn't sign up for this game, and if I had had time it would have been spent filter diving in Newbie XIV where we're near LyLo. I've junked a work event early to come home now, and I'll post some more detailed thoughts. Sure. I get that. That still makes you a fucking fantastic cop check. 1000% IMO the best cop check because there's very little to read you off of AND you're outside your established meta. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On September 18 2015 05:25 Rels wrote: Maybe for you but every I played / obsed with him he started by getting townreads, then poeing his way to scumread. I understand this is meta so it is unreliable, but I m not townreading him. That's fine. But it's really hard to townread LS ehre and there are multiple reasons to think he's scummy. So do you vote a null read over a scum read? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
EoD is in 90 mins, right? LS is in university, if he has class, he's not going to be home in time. That's NAI. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On September 18 2015 05:25 geript wrote: Sure. I get that. That still makes you a fucking fantastic cop check. 1000% IMO the best cop check because there's very little to read you off of AND you're outside your established meta. His catch up post was super logical though. Damdred saying multiple times he will catch up while not doing so is weird. | ||
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