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Rapid fire posting doesn't make BM town. I don't find his reasoning for talking about my reads over rayn's satisfying. Point being he shouldn't have any reason to compare his reads to mine when I'm confirmed town and turn a blind eye towards rayn like he did. While I'm writing this I'm also suspicious of rayn for the way the two of them haven't been particularly hands-on towards each other.
I'm going to pick apart a few of his posts:
On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar
I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT
Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred
He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT
TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar.
I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does
"Buddying" is something you do when you try to pocket a townie, scum don't need to buddy each other. BM should know that.
This post has pretty much contrary opinion to what me and Rayn said about Rels and TT and ends with him wanting to "consolidate" on LS for unmentioned reasons.
On September 16 2015 03:40 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i seriously think BM is town now.
BM i don't think your read on Rels is accurate, i think he is quite obviously town.
I will re-evaluate TT tomorrow, but i still think he is town.
I think FF has a decent chance of being mafia. well even if i think they might be town i want to break up their buddy buddy circlejerk
Here rayn talked against his reads and notice how BM's reads shift towards thinking that Rels and TT might be town. Rayn agrees with FF being mafia.
Also interesting wording implying that rayn and me aren't part of that buddy buddy circlejerk when BM is townreading all of us. Kinda minor point but seems like reasoning he just slapped in there.
No mention of LS he was willing to consolidate on (2 minutes later he softens that scumread). I have no idea why rayn TRs him.
Here BM reaches the point of zero scumreads:
On September 16 2015 03:55 Bill Murray wrote:
LS has a unique read there
FF im gonna drop my scumread on you because i like your explanation - i didnt realize he ninja'd you there... but i remember reading the lol into lol followed by the influx of marijuana induced loling
So he rereads to find something:
On September 16 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:
ok Rels is town ~circa page 15
And finds something that suddenly makes Rels town... When it has been posted SIX HOURS before he scumread him for the buddy buddy and the list post.
Proof:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 15 2015 17:20 Rels wrote:
OK let's bring back this little thing.
The useful list of useless people
The Shining
HTS
LS
fidei
Dandel Ion
If one person is still in this list at deadline I'll push him hard His post at page 15: On September 15 2015 21:52 Rels wrote:I don't understand you. You think rayn is doing a bad thing martyr hunting. You're the first to react to his plan. And instead of explaining WHY martyr hunting is bad, you post this: Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? Then you gtfo. I think you're mafia. On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar
I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT
Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred
He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT
TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar.
I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does On September 16 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:
ok Rels is town ~circa page 15
So yeah, BM is bullshittin
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On September 17 2015 22:16 Rels wrote:
In case this is a contested lynch between LS Damdred and Dandel, I need you to read this
As rayn posted, it is important that we decide who the inquisitor should check. If we do that:
- the oracle has a garanteed hit
- if the inquisitor doesn't claim a red check D2, it means that the checked target is town
If there is a contested lynch, the person we decided to check might be lynched, and we cannot talk at night in this setup. It could mean the inquisitor and the oracle not knowing who to check.
SO
Near the end of the day, everybody should state who they want to check in addition to their lynch.
In the person they wanted to check is lynched instead, the inquisitor would just have to assume their initial lynch target is their check target.
OK ?
This is actually a really good idea the more I think about it because it prevents Mafia from getting any potential role info from their Demon role.
Demon: Every night you will learn the targets of the Inquisitor and the Oracle. You will not know which target was targeted by whom.
Plus all the stuff Rels already said.
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On September 17 2015 22:38 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2015 22:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I checked Ticktock's filter. Got him null still my main thing that bothers me is his unnatural read progression regarding me. First he called me scum than later he said I was town for some of my reactions yet it doesn't seem natural. His mind seem to change a lot with thread sentiment. Got it, you only care if I talk about you. You really can't get anything else out of my filter?
I some of your stuff was fine but that read change what have me questioning you honestly. I had to check the timing of it because someone in the thread said it was when the thread sentiment changed from being to scum to me being town and your read progression didn't seem so natural :\
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On September 17 2015 22:46 Tictock wrote:
LS if you are still around, who do you think should get the grail?
Or do you still want to give it to rayn?
I honestly idk. Someone who lives long normally I guess would be the best option.
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##VOTE: BILL MURRAY
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On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT
Humm I thought I had a better idea what BM meant regarding this earlier, which would mean I don't particularly like your case Vivax.
However I'd like to hear from BM what he was thinking at the time when he said this.
For easy refference BM, and to make my question a bit more clear.
What made you think Rels and I were "buddying" in the first 20 pages of the game?
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TT why don't you read the entire thing and only pick out one part to justify why you don't scumread him for the entire case?
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On September 17 2015 22:50 Rels wrote:
I think you should openly campaign for your election though p:
I'm flattered you have so much faith in me.
Maybe I'll throw something together.
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On September 17 2015 23:16 Vivax wrote:
TT why don't you read the entire thing and only pick out one part to justify why you don't scumread him for the entire case?
You mention the buddy-buddy thing a lot in that case actually.
There were some other points I liked, but that was the part I was most interested in getting a response back from BM about.
I'm trying to further my own read on him, while evaluating part of your case.
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You completely left out how he scumread Rels for things that allegedly happened before page 15 and then townreads him around that page, while actually Rels posted on page 15 already when he posted that he was suspicious of him.
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On September 17 2015 22:52 Vivax wrote:Rapid fire posting doesn't make BM town. I don't find his reasoning for talking about my reads over rayn's satisfying. Point being he shouldn't have any reason to compare his reads to mine when I'm confirmed town and turn a blind eye towards rayn like he did. While I'm writing this I'm also suspicious of rayn for the way the two of them haven't been particularly hands-on towards each other. I'm going to pick apart a few of his posts: Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar
I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT
Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred
He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT
TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar.
I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does "Buddying" is something you do when you try to pocket a townie, scum don't need to buddy each other. BM should know that. This post has pretty much contrary opinion to what me and Rayn said about Rels and TT and ends with him wanting to "consolidate" on LS for unmentioned reasons. Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:40 Bill Murray wrote:On September 16 2015 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i seriously think BM is town now.
BM i don't think your read on Rels is accurate, i think he is quite obviously town.
I will re-evaluate TT tomorrow, but i still think he is town.
I think FF has a decent chance of being mafia. well even if i think they might be town i want to break up their buddy buddy circlejerk Here rayn talked against his reads and notice how BM's reads shift towards thinking that Rels and TT might be town. Rayn agrees with FF being mafia. Also interesting wording implying that rayn and me aren't part of that buddy buddy circlejerk when BM is townreading all of us. Kinda minor point but seems like reasoning he just slapped in there. No mention of LS he was willing to consolidate on (2 minutes later he softens that scumread). I have no idea why rayn TRs him. Here BM reaches the point of zero scumreads: Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:55 Bill Murray wrote:
LS has a unique read there
FF im gonna drop my scumread on you because i like your explanation - i didnt realize he ninja'd you there... but i remember reading the lol into lol followed by the influx of marijuana induced loling So he rereads to find something: And finds something that suddenly makes Rels town... When it has been posted SIX HOURS before he scumread him for the buddy buddy and the list post. Proof: + Show Spoiler +On September 15 2015 17:20 Rels wrote:
OK let's bring back this little thing.
The useful list of useless people
The Shining
HTS
LS
fidei
Dandel Ion
If one person is still in this list at deadline I'll push him hard His post at page 15: On September 15 2015 21:52 Rels wrote:I don't understand you. You think rayn is doing a bad thing martyr hunting. You're the first to react to his plan. And instead of explaining WHY martyr hunting is bad, you post this: Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? Then you gtfo. I think you're mafia. On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
you know vivax and i disagree hard when his 3 town reads are my 3 scum reads thusfar
I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT
Rels list is something I do as scum and I feel it tries to buy towncred
He then goes into Maf wouldnt mess with grail D1 into D1 trying to give grail to TT
TT was my original gut i felt like hey this guy is relatively new I dont know if he knows how to play scum but this is what I would imagine his words would read like if he did. I based my interactions off of that thusfar.
I could consolidate on LS he might just be nervous and have a decent role but I could easily see him as scum acting the way he does On September 16 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:
ok Rels is town ~circa page 15 So yeah, BM is bullshittin
OK let me debunk a part that I think is false. It is the part about the timestamps. BM was catching up at the time, so it's normal he talks about my list post, THEN talks about my posts page 15.
The part about associating TT and I are buddy while not mentioning rayn and Vivax is super weird. It could be scum indicative; BM trying to throw a scumread on both TT and I while townreading rayn and Vivax. And that's also true that as soon as rayn tells BM he thinks I'm town, BM drops the scumreads.
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Yeah the two good points on this case is the misuse of the buddy concept, and him trying to scumread TT and I while Vivax and rayn were also part on the early townread people, then dropping these scumreads when rayn talks to him.
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OK it is good but not enough to make me vote BM instead of Dandel, geript or Damdred.
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Of those I'd only get onto Damdred instead of him. I'm not particularly fond of how geript's playing but given that he has so many excuses I'm willing to cut him some slack.
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Why not Dandel again Vivax?
I thought Rel's case on him was pretty good.
HtS also made a good post about Dandel... let me find it
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actually that may be good enough to vote him above geript or Damdred
I'm pretty sure Dandel is mafia though. I know you don't 'cause apparently you've seen him play like that as town, but I think that's a bullshit reason
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On September 17 2015 10:52 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 18:10 Dandel Ion wrote:On September 16 2015 17:11 Tictock wrote:On September 16 2015 08:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
damdred is town What makes you so sure? dunno how good his meta shit is (but geript disagreed so it's probably solid) but he knows about the shine, which is more than i can say about anybody else this game. Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 18:18 Dandel Ion wrote:
not even trolling tho
absolutely 100% no idea why ppl keep saying that This is what I understand geript to have said - Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 10:49 geript wrote:
I don't get Damdred's case. But shining is in an odd middle ground between his town meta and scum meta. Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 12:27 geript wrote:On September 16 2015 11:57 Bill Murray wrote:
why? Mix of things. He's quoting stuff, but it's not how i remember him consciously quoting and leading off of it. What he says doesn't come off as "smart" to me when most of the things he says usually are pretty solid when he's town. But he's also more active than he has been as scum. So if your first post was serious why are you trusting the read when you don't know how good his meta shit is? Am I misunderstanding what you are trying to communicate (in the bolded)? Particularly when Shining had a very sharp (IMO) reaction to how Damdred scumread him on page 26. What do you make of that then? If you are being serious and I am understanding you correctly, then I have no idea how you are townreading Damdred.
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On September 17 2015 23:41 Rels wrote:
actually that may be good enough to vote him above geript or Damdred
I'm pretty sure Dandel is mafia though. I know you don't 'cause apparently you've seen him play like that as town, but I think that's a bullshit reason
lel wanna hear the biggest joke about this?
+ Show Spoiler +
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Tbh I just couldn't care less about Dandel on D1. If he's mafia he'll keep that up along with low activity, if he's town he'll actually have reads at some point.
I look for the mafias who are trying, and there's ought to be one among the rest. It's a waste of time to try and decipher Dandel.
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i totes have reads tho
while you're lynching BM for having no reads
clearly the one who's trying more eyyy
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EPT
