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On September 29 2015 01:42 Damdred wrote:
Well I'm curious, yesterday you used how I pushed people like me pushing geript over say easy lynch was more towny of me.
Ceph abandoned his push on me to push harder target palmar what do you think of that
I don't think he's actively pushing me. He said the vote on me was "to show me that he's not afraid of voting me" and I think he's still at 80/20 for voting you.
He has to, if he cannot convince me to vote you, he has to convince you to vote me, so he has to put the feelers out there.
I have a pretty general rule "never trust anything said or done in lylo". Just focus on the days leading up to it.
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On September 29 2015 03:55 ritoky wrote:
i wonder to myself. is d1 rayn ever wrong about every mafia?
rayn can be spectacularly wrong at points.
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On September 27 2015 09:41 Damdred wrote:
Looked through some of palmar and marvs filters a few points that I find pretty interesting.
1) While it could go either way and its not above either of them. Marv said something about palmar getting to many easy town reads at one point I believe.
2) Palmars initial pressure or going at Marg came at n1 when it did palmar has no reason as s um to really put the screws to Marv over some little things.
3) The day Marv is lynched there is somewhat decent push going to lynch me (Scott and rit vote me jat considers it) palmar walks in and goes um no lynch Marv. Jat helped here to but it might make a bit of sense for mafia palmar to take it to 1 mislynch instead of waiting another day for gweipt. That's a bit wifom.
Srill reading a bit more. But I'm still leaning ish on palmar being town.
Palmar you and Marv have played together since xxx though and it hasn't been quite like that? I thought you still kept to your initial way of doing things.
Since XXX I have changed the way I read marv.
It used to be "err on the side of mafia until I get confirmation he's town", but now it is "err on the side of town until I get confirmation he's mafia".
He has thanked me privately for making that change in approach 
(My old style has caused him to literally ragequit a game where we were both town).
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On September 27 2015 11:57 Damdred wrote:
Palmar could you tell me why you town read ceph d1 until today started in some form of detail when you can?
Or at least in the do not lynch d1 and why didn't you consider it when Marv pushed it?
I don't remember marv pushing him and I kinda cba reading my own filter to find out how I reacted.
I townread ceph on day 1 based on nothing but the tone of his overreaction to koshi's initial pressure. I think I posted something like "cephiro's overreaction isn't scummy at all".
Also, yes, I townread him yesterday because there is only 1 scum left and I thought it was geript. Until today I had barely read anything cephiro has posted (his posts are long, not particularly well constructed and mostly boring). The reason I want to lynch him now is mostly just poe, but reading his filter I did find the weird approach to the marv lynch.
Like I want to point it out again, he has been trying to take credit for the marv lynch (I think) but he deserves literally none of it. He simply said he wanted to kill marv without ever trying to convince anyone until he dropped that case long after the lynch had been decided.
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Everything you write turns into a wall of text.
Also, no need to get mad, is only a game.
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On September 29 2015 04:43 Cephiro wrote:
very good scumgame.
aka, towngame.
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On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote:
Fuck you Palmar for making this a 1v1 between you and me, you know you basically scumclaimed to me with your posts and you're relying on the fact how well well you've been read and using the time I'm away to discredit me to the extent you can.
Nothing, literally nothing I wrote was to discredit you. I simply brought up reasons why I think you're mafia. Feel free to respond with reasons as to why I am wrong.
On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote:
Even now you're saying you haven't properly read my and Damdred's filters which shows how absolutely baffling your approach to the lylo is.
I can more than well admit at this point it does seem I was wrong on Damdred, because you're being so obvious right now.
I don't lie about what I read and what I didn't read. If I read part of damdred's filter and most of yours and reach a conclusion based on that, my time is better spent arguing for that conclusion.
On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote:
Your bigger post is a textbook scum!Ceph play. It's exactly what I do when I'm scum. You make a case where any ambigious facts are painted as "This is probably the only thing that could be looked in his favour", you ignore all the obvious statements and information that is favourable even though they've been posted so many times it should be clear as day (But not to you, because you don't even fucking read the filters properly, because you're that confident about not needing to), then raising the most convoluted ideas of all time about a point to make it suspicious. Like, I'm scum because I managed to peg onegu as town? Not to mention the multiple instances of "There are clearly more ways for this to be viewed favourably towards Ceph, but I'm going to raise the one and only extremely unlikely possibility which makes him look worse, and make it look like it's the only and obvious possibility." It infuriates me so much to see you do exactly what I do as scum and I don't want you to get away with that.
I don't ignore anything, you literally went awol for 70+ hours when the marv thing was happening and you've been trying to claim credit for that lynch. You deserve none. Again, instead of yelling, try to point out what I ignored.
And yes I read filters. Stop trying to act like I don't. No one in this game has read every filter word for word.
On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote:
Why the fuck would I concentrate on defending a townie that is barely getting any traction at all and in no way a serious lynch candidate? What the fuck does my town-read on a player that died N1 to a vigshot matter in the remainder of the game? It's the most irrelevant thing in my filter you could be interested in.
Because it's a magical read. How about you just explain why you townread him instead of whining about me talking about it.
There's only one faction in the game that has magical reads
On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote:
You say that "if you were Mafia, you would've been 100% content with me lynching Damdred and rolling with it."
No, you would never ever have sat on your ass and gone "Oh well, I guess I was wrong / Ceph is right and we'll lynch Damdred today." You know I would have called you out for that even for how sure I was about Dam, because you know that even if I can push someone very hard, I don't blindly tunnel into someone until they die. So obviously you'd go for a more convoluted play, especially as you could use me picking up on you as a point against me, and knowing that you have the higher cred of us two makes that play a no-brainer for you to take. I know how calmly and how often you've rolled well in endgame scenarios as scum. And you knew that only me or jat would pick up on you that hard, but leaving me alive is significantly easier of an 1v1 for you than going vs jat.
Give me 3 examples of this. I don't believe they exist. I'm not a particularly good scum player. My general strategy is to buy 2-3 days and then hope I've left no traces to my team (or go for a big play such as having a teammate shoot me).
And yes, I absolutely would've done that.
On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote:
Like you've had damdred town all game since the start, and you still claim you've just read the first few pages of his filter. It's like you saw his defense for Wile and decided "I'll just think he's town for the whole game based on this", which is just absurd. You wouldn't lock onto a townread that hard because of such a minor thing if you were town. Not to the extent that you're not considering him an option at 1 mislynch nor at LYLO.
If you think I don't make townreads like that based on one little thing then you don't know me at all. And it's not just that. He came out of the gate swinging (which is very unusual for scum). You yourself even called him out on it on day 1 (hey look! I read!). I also liked the way he approached the geript defense.
Yes he could be mafia. I'm far more comfortable losing to him than to you.
I'm gonna make this a 2 parter because jesus long.
If you're town Ceph, your focus should be on convincing me to lynch damdred, not antagonizing me please.
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On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote:
I've also explained multiple times that N1 I did not feel the need to participate because I was going to live through regardless, D2 we had self-claimed Wile by the time I was around, I was not going to die N2 with how much conftown there was around, and I posted my case on D3 when I came around, even if the lynch seemed to be locked at that point.
And if I hadn't posted? You would've called even more bullshit on me. It's like, if I didn't post it at all and just voted, I'd be still getting shit about being a pure sheep, and when I do, I get called out for trying to cred. I don't need to get any extra cred for the marv lynch. I know I'm not the main cause who made it happen, but what I've said and what is true that I've been correct about him since the start, and shown that opinion to others very clearly as well, constantly reminding of my intent of wanting to lynch marv. That is something you can't deny no matter how many things you want to ignore.
This is the part I have a problem with.
No, I do not call people out for sheeping. I actually think sheeping is one of the most underrated skills in mafia. A good sheeping player is very, very valuable to town. But yeah, I don't believe your approach to that was particularly townie.
Like I'm just thinking about what I would do. Would I spend the energy to write a long-ass case on someone who is going to get lynched anyway? No I wouldn't. I would never, ever waste my time as town doing something so boring and useless. It makes no sense to me to do that unless you for some reason particularly care about getting town-cred for that lynch.
On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote:
Yeah, I've mentioned multiple times I like to bus as mafia. So do many other players. The thing which me and jat pointed out multiple times (which you again, decide to just fucking ignore), is that while we'd both be completely fine with bussing, we aren't retarded enough to play this game with the goal of "Kill all my scumbuddies before going for town". And that's what you're proposing right now. That I'd go for Wile + marv since the start of the game, with the amount of cred I had at the start of the game? You're not that stupid Palmar. You just have to say that because you're the dirty fucking scum here. You saw how jat flipped town. Go figure which is more likely, that I, who not also had extremely similar timing and reads with jat regarding scum + voted and tried to push Wile on D1, is going flip scum? It's not happening. I've pointed out enough how stupid of a case that is, and you know it.
The bus thing was mostly a joke bro. I don't think it's telling one way or the other.
On September 29 2015 04:38 Cephiro wrote:
There's absolutely no way you're not scum with your read progress and painted case towards me. And this is not OMGUS, even if I know that you will try to paint it as such.
Today will be simple rit & dam, you vote for Palmar, or you lose the game.
No I'm not painting it as an omgus because if you're somehow not mafia I don't want to lynch you and lose the game. The case isn't painted. I brought up two very specific points, one of which you sort of responded to (you just got mad that I asked about your magical Onegu read).
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On September 29 2015 04:57 Cephiro wrote:
ritoky, I just want you to realize that you should not think about one single point as something why it's not a possibility.
I understand more than well enough if you want to respect Palmar's play for that to be unlikely in your opinion, but do think this: If you hold him that high in regard, would he as town have voted jat d1, got his geript mislynch d4, and now push me the way he is doing?
Not to mention you can't disagree he hasn't exactly been the cause of correct lynches happening, which if you respect Palmar's ability of play, you should be expecting that to a decent extent at least if you assume he's town.
Are you going to hang on those minor points and deduce he's not scum because it would be unlikely for a scum!Palmar to do that, or are you going to take into account similar points regarding town!Palmar that he should've achieved/done but hasn't?
Think of it as a whole.
jat's soul was mafia on day 1 tbh so I was right on that. He only became town on day 3.
And well, one of the correct lynches was a cop check. I was part of killing marv though.
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On September 29 2015 04:57 Cephiro wrote:
Are you going to hang on those minor points and deduce he's not scum because it would be unlikely for a scum!Palmar to do that, or are you going to take into account similar points regarding town!Palmar that he should've achieved/done but hasn't?
Specify those points I should've achieved but didn't.
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like if anything, my filter length is confirmed town territory for me, so there's that.
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rit you're the one that really needs to read damdred. Clearly ceph wants to 1v1 me. You have to go make sure it 100% cannot be damdred.
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On September 29 2015 05:11 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 05:07 ritoky wrote:On September 29 2015 05:00 Damdred wrote:
I actually think its worth your time ritoky, like don't be lazy here at eod when I'm asking for your opinion please <<.
u got a few things to read it looks like here meh If I go read this, I need you to beat it into me that you're town while I am doing it. Cuz unlike you guys who only have 2 options, I don't know any of your alignments. Make me never want to lynch you ever. Go. If you can't tell I'm town at this point there is literally no hope for you and I have lost hope for you. If you think I'm going to try to pie the whole game d1 and literally leave myself 0 room to maneuver (refusal to switch to onegu or moosey). Try to instigate a lynch on me by refusing to do wor d3. Instead of just fucking off at mylo I pressure both people I'm curious about. I lead a lynch on town jat and butt heads with rayn all the way to eod over who to lynch. Totally tilting at points if you think that's my scum game...idk what to say
I'd not be unhappy at all if you decided to just write a massive case for yourself being town.
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On September 29 2015 05:13 Cephiro wrote:Like all the townreads you've never bothered to explain? Yeah, I guess you're scum then
Examples please.
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On September 29 2015 05:18 Damdred wrote:
Ceph can you just explain why you town read onegu?
it's easier to yell stuff without backing anything up.
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On September 29 2015 05:13 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 05:08 Palmar wrote:
like if anything, my filter length is confirmed town territory for me, so there's that. I checked that, you've done 19 before as scum so not quite enough to put you into conf town territory. Within the margin of error.
which game? (I'm just curious)
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On September 29 2015 05:13 Cephiro wrote:
Don't have the time to dig up on old games for quotes at this point, but even in voice mafia not too long ago when you were scum with me in the same team and we two others got out of it early on, you almost managed to solocarry it through, only losing at lylo. So don't say you're not capable of that. You've done it before. And you had no traces onto your team then either, as you don't have now.
I am absolutely capable of it, I just haven't really done it in forum mafia.
That's not the point, the point is you keep saying generalized things like that that simply aren't true.
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ceph still waiting for "all these townreads I never explained"
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On September 29 2015 05:59 Damdred wrote:
You know palmar if your scum you played this perfectly..
I kinda wish I was
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On September 29 2015 06:17 ritoky wrote:
palmar do you have any considerations that it might be damdred or are you locked in?
I'm going down with the ship if it's damdred.
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