EPTWhat if I said that #4 feels more like that you know rayn is town?
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What if I said that #4 feels more like that you know rayn is town? | ||
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GB has to go first though. | ||
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On September 10 2015 01:49 Alakaslam wrote: Ask me Stuff How are your feelings with fidei? Do you think he's town? I think he pays a lot of nai and repeats himself a lot and not posting a lot of information. | ||
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On September 10 2015 02:50 GlowingBear wrote: I tried. I tried to put reason in the human mind. I traveled back and forth to places so I could bring logic to the human brain, and learn from people from everywhere, and all I get is stupidity and betrayal. You are not ready to understand the hidden mysteries of the universe. Glowingbear If you are town, you should leave a last will for your memory. But I'm about 95% sure you are not, so just spill the last two mafia since we will find them anyway  <3![[image loading]](http://lowres.cartoonstock.com/sport-quicksand-conceding-golfer-golf-golf_course-ksmn3251_low.jpg) | ||
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Day 1 Votecount GlowingBear (7): Alakaslam, scott31337, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, Fidei86, CopCake, boxerfred copcake (3): n00bking, moosydoosy, nocturnemage n00bking (1): Superbia Alakaslam (1): Breshke scott310337 (1): GlowingBear Not Voting (0): Currently, GlowingBear is fixin' to be jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes in . Please do not forget to vote. -Final Day 1- Final Day 1 Votecount n00bking (7): Superbia, Fidei86, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, scott31337, GlowingBear, Alakaslam copcake (2): moosydoosy, nocturnemage GlowingBear (2): boxerfred, n00bking Alakaslam (1): Breshke scott31337 (1): CopCake Not Voting (0): Currently, n00bking was jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes. -Final Day 2- Day 2 Votecount GlowingBear (9): raynpelikoneet, Fidei86, scott31337, Breshke, NocturneMage, Alakaslam, boxerfred, CopCake, Superbia CopCake (1): MoosyDoosy raynpelikoneet (1): GlowingBear Not Voting (0): In GlowingBear will be abandoned on the nearest moon with 9 votes. Please do not forget to vote. | ||
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On September 05 2015 09:30 GlowingBear wrote: Well, if rayn is really ignoring me just because I made a joke I'm happy where my vote is placed at. I gave my opinion on why I think he is mafia and I invite everyone to read it. I also think MoosyDoosy might be mafia. I think Breshke looks townie. I think Superbia looks townie. I didn't like yamato's opening but I have nothing against his posts. His alignment gets clearer as the game goes by, so I won't worry about it now. I'm drawn to this post for some reason, like two truths and a lie. I bet one of these three names are scum buddies. | ||
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On September 08 2015 09:30 GlowingBear wrote: If you guys can't see that Rayn's claim is fake, you're mafia. His claim is completely out of place and it's easily retractable by the excuse that he did it out of rage. Then he easily throw his vote on me and let people pile on. It's better to have the doctor lynxhed than killed, right? So just roleblock him and cast suspicions on him. Fidei fits as scum partner of Rayn. His flip on me is too opportunistic. ##vote: Fidei86 So GB still interacts with me through the whole thread, even though he thinks I am mafia. Gb didn't interact for shit with fidei except here (if you call it that) but he tHinks he is mafia also. Hmmm More filter reading. | ||
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Superbia-my #1 Scum right now - very little followup - not voting the right wagons - first vote for n00bking - beyond any magic blue work - want to lynch tomorrow MoosyDoosy - His Night 2 is espically weird - he thinks rayn's claim is fake - gets called out for bluehunting (which I sure thought he was doing as well) and then backpedals quite hard on it. My gut calls him #2 right now. boxerfred-quiet and in the stands - although has some good posts and points - just above null. Breshke-I've like his play n2 with moosy - trying to prod and get answers out of him - bad voting d1. He'd be above boxer. CopCake - I just want this guy to do some more as town if he is - what are your thoughts on everybody? slight townlean, please help Fidei86 - Helped get GB lynched, but just has been a little off - maybe he's overworked like he said in a few messages? townlean Alakaslam - did the super phat bus on GB (voted first on him day 1, never left until he claimed, was suspicious of him all game) or he's town - not lynching anytime soon. raynpelikoneet-Da man - I will keep the town in line and accomplish victory for us in your name! Oh and IRL excuse - I'll be traveling out of town tomorrow/Friday and then a pool party afterwards - so expect very little posting. | ||
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or GB's slip about the setup isn't real (doubtful) or the Doc is a n00b (possible) So I'll start off on the fun - Who's with me? ##Vote Superbia | ||
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On September 11 2015 07:59 MoosyDoosy wrote: i like how no one else noticed how copcake read Cop in rayn's post as a referral to her as well. but no one jumped on that? you have to be kidding me. You mean this? On September 11 2015 02:57 CopCake wrote: Yeah, I'm not the cop. Will bring reads later, I am at work. You went over it for a page and a half, how could Cop cake miss it? This cOuld be about how you talked and talked about it... | ||
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On September 11 2015 08:19 Breshke wrote: Scott does md's rage seem real to you? It's an awkward question to answer I know but yeah. I think it's over the top. Let's Look at his perspective Super mad he's right but town doesn't listen and is vocal about it. Wants to lynch Cop cake, but what if she flips town? Do we lynch moosy then? Who's the other mafia? | ||
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On September 11 2015 11:58 MoosyDoosy wrote: -sigh- I'm going to write up a mini case on CopCake and see if it goes anywhere. Won't bother with quotes because then people just don't read it. I read your case and gave my opinion, so don't just write it off like that. I'm not going to go on each point unless I feel the need or it's on me or something. | ||
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How do you not know what moosy wants to do? Did you read the last 30 pages? | ||
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Moosy gets a little town love - He hasn't been not my top lynch and has had some good posting today. I've re-read Superbia's filter and I'm confident of where my vote is right now. The shitfight with Breshke tells me very little - I've just re-read the filter for good quotes and I cannot find any since the modkill one above- On September 11 2015 06:51 Superbia wrote: Posting not to get modkilled. Not mafia. Been too preoccupied with voice mafia lol. Promise to play tomorrow. The only thing I've learned is you believe Boxerfred is town. BoxerFred Lurky d1, which I think is NAI for BF (as I pointed out before his prev game he lurked d1 and he was PR, so it might be a mafia or PR thing)? I didn't really like his push on fidei (didn't really feel like it came from a townie perspective). His read progression on fidei also doesn't really make sense, as fidei was calling md mafia (iirc), which bf registered, but was still iffy about fidei's alignment after bf also started calling md mafia (similar reads???). Calls people null/mafia who have been calling GB mafia. Reads not lining up. Possible mafia. Also throws lots of null-reads around. On September 11 2015 23:37 Superbia wrote: It's probably breshke/moosy. I kinda love that boxerfred post on me lmao. That pocket is very very deep. You have not shown me anything positive to change my vote. ---- Fidei seems tunnelled on the Superbia/Breshke arguement - I still see townie vibes here - Breshke's play has gotten downhill - and the BS above - I doubt he'll keep a vote on Superbia, he tried once. It could be a flail from the scum team - I think they are scared. He hasn't shown me anything positive to town. I'm up for a bit - then sleep and get up before deadline. Moosy gets some decent points for how much he's tried, and when he did calm down - looks more focused at finding scum. Fidei is slightly better. I just don't see the Copcake confirmed town - still on the better fish to fry NM - Way more posting then his last game (as mafia) - like a busy town man - townlean. Boxerfred ... ohhhh On September 12 2015 05:16 boxerfred wrote: It's so fucking hard to keep up with that thread. The last ~5 pages were lots of bullshit about power roles that is a totally irrelevant discussion. Whatever one thinks who is a power role will only help scum if he talks about it. The whole PR stuff is pointless. How is that even perceived as a push? Here is my stance on the game: I'm a low activity poster. I'm aware that it should be easy for scum to set me up for a mislynch based on this. Whenever I come in the thread, I have to read another 20 pages of spammy shit. It would be great if you guys could just get back on track and think about where to locate scum or where to lynch to gain as much information as possible. We are in a situation where it's likely that mafia knows since D2 that they'll lose a member. Since they insta-shot rayn during the night, mafia were SURE that he's the doctor. Right? Right? That makes me feel like the kill itself was a scum slip in terms of the setup. The Doctor setup is likely as fuck. I talked about this already earlier. So what is scum supposed to do (as a team)? They'll try to get a mislynch, they are in desperate need for that especially after rayn flipped VT and not blue. So I'm really interested in who pushes MD and why they do so. Especially if MD is indeed lynched and flips green. At this point I don't think town can come further by evaluating people on scummy behavior but moreso by evaluating people in terms of town indications. It's one way to find indicators for scum alignment to win the game. Another way is to find indicators of town alignment on everyone else. We followed the first way and it got us GB, cool, great! However I think while we should not abandon that completely, we should consider focussing more on town reads. At this point, I have the following town reads: - scott (even forgot why, need to check, however don't have the time) - superbia (reasons stated in my huge case) - Alakaslam. What i remember the most of him is a) his spammy/hard to read playstyle, b) some posts where he points out scummy behaviour of me. since there was no follow up on this, I think it's a town indication. Also he was continuesly willing to hammer GB. Followed by my null reads: - Breshke. Not remembering anything in particular, however he got in a shitflinging discussion with Superbia, derailing shit. Cool - not. - Fidei. Pointed out some scum indicators in his play, he answered genuinely. I think he's not doing enough for town to actually be labeled a townie. Seems more interested in defending/surviving than in actually finding scum. Needs to step up. - CopCake. Don't remember particularly much. Hard to read. Voted with the main wagons. - MoosyDoosy. Need to look into more. I think his flip would give us a lot of information, however it might easily be a mislynch for scum. Good thing would be to stop pressuring him but instead give him some breathing room and let him do town work. Especially his last posts feel a lot like frustrated town. Can't tell. - NocturneMage. Where is this guy? Yes, I don't have scumreads, yolo. Would lynch between MD/NM since Breshke is at least here. He forgets why I am town. (ummmm... wow) Reads Superbia town for his huge case - and - Let's go over that. + Show Spoiler [Boxer Case] + On September 11 2015 17:33 boxerfred wrote: This is from D1 after GlowingBears claim. This post is an answer to rayn who hit the truth in his "claiming vig D1 is a great thing to call out a town role, get a blue kill in exchange for the goon." (though rayn couldn't know that GB is the goon at that point. This post is strange in many ways. Superbia thinks GB might do a (serious!) vigi claim at the very beginning of D1. To me, claiming blue D1 is like the stupidest thing you can do if you truely are a blue. How does Superbia come to that conclusion? The bolded part contradicts the initial meaning of the post ("nah guys GB is stupid not scum") however. It's 100% wishywashy. Also, the initial post (the quote in the quote) - why is Superbia disliking rayn for his reaction to GB? He should be disliking GB for the initial blue shenanigans. This post really feels like it's coming from someone who has to hide something. Time for the tinfoil hat: What if that was a serious response to a claim that Superbia thought was real? Also, WHY did GB claim Vigi if he DID know about the setup? This makes me feel really (really!) unsure if there is indeed a doctor in. We have two people D1 (GB, Superbia) that are willing to think that there is a Vigi in. However, GB claimed Doctor and Rayn claimed Doctor. There was NO counterclaim up to this point, keep that in mind guys! We have two setup slips from GB (Vigi, Doc) and we do not know which one is true. Out of this, I extract two scenarios. a) Doctor setup. Superbia's CC to GB was pure bullshit, making him look townie. b) Vigi setup. Superbia's CC to GB was the truth, making him, well, look townie. c) Vigi + Doc claim was absolutely bullshit (which is the unlikeliest to me) I'm kinda surprised that I come to this conclusion. I'll continue with the setup before going back to Superbia: Vigi setup feels the most likely to me TBH. 2/3 goons in scum - that means the chance that GB would flip scum as goon is higher than in any other setup. Also, we have no DOCTOR counter claimed except the rayn yolo, which was risky but great however it was not a Doctor. Basically, ANY rule could've counterclaimed the doctor that is Vigi, Veteran or Jailkeeper. So GB's claim EoD1 could have played out awesome for scum, ESPECIALLY in Setup B (1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 2 Mafia Goons). Mafia would've exchanged a simple goon with a strong town blue, potentially Jailkeeper. I think at this point I have a pretty good theory who another blue role is but I won't tell since I don't want the guy to get killed. Okay, back to Superbia. As I said above - the behaviour from this post is conclusively townie. Maybe my logic is flawed somewhere, somehow, so please test the waters. Another point that makes Superbia look townie D1 is that he instantly jumped on GB's claim - why would a fellow scum member do this given that he'd know GB's plan of outing a blue? It doesn't make sense. Although noone brings up the claim after all D1, Superbia does so when NM enters the thread. This could be out of "yo maybe NM replaced a blue and GB's trick might work here" (which I don't think tbh - feels way to unrealistic) or is indeed a "look at this and tell me what you think". Genuine. + Show Spoiler + On September 07 2015 03:35 Superbia wrote: I'm here. Haven't read past few pages. Game kinda feels hard. rayn/yamato still very town. Stuck on moosy's alignment. Something feels off compared to previous game filters. Not sure what, still reading. His associative read triggered all sorts of re-evaluations. Stuck on noobking's alignment. His post style feels different from his mafia post style. Planning on reading into his meta after moosy. Feels like moosy may have spewn him town if moosy is mafia. IDK copcake tied into this. Also stuck on her alignment. Don't know about slam/gb. Both seem very much on the sidelines. bf superlurk. Last game he did this he was PR and got lynched d1 for it. To be honest, I think I may have the PRs down to a small circle already (of either mafia or PR) and he's not among them. Need to hear from people who have played with him. So yeah. Still very much in the process of evaluation. Here for questions and talking if people are around. Specifically the 3 above. Very busy tabbing between game filters though. So don't expect a superquick response. First kind of list post from Superbia. While he's not talking about GB in this, he puts a null/scum lean on MoosyDoosy. Which makes me feel like they have different alignments however I'm not too sure if that holds. Putting this in spoilers to not draw attention from the main parts of the post. Here is more interaction from GB which makes Superbia change his read of scott from town. This looks important: And indeed, Superbia brings up GB's case on Scott: At this point of filter diving, I have to say that Superbia's filter is full of oneliners, full of questions that lead to nowhere and don't do a thing. Not liking this at all. Also, he really likes GB's case on scott (this is one of the rare occasions where Superbia actually says his opinion). Here, he says it even multiple times: Scum read on Moosy, again (consistent!). However lateron, Slam calls Superbia out on his growing wishy-washyness: This is accurate. How big is the chance the scum!superbia would call out both of his team mates in one post (scott/gb vs. moosy/copcake)? This makes me feel he's town. This is huge. Again that makes me feel Superbia is town. I am now at his huge list post and will refer to this in a different post for the sake of readability. tl;dr - I actually think Superbia is not a good lynch this day. He appears townie to me after I fully evaluated his filter. I think you are reaching hard here, bud. Moosy moves up - He's pulled a lot of energy and caring boxer moves down. I'll give more quotes tomorrow. My thoughts right now - 2/4 in Breshke/Boxerfred/Superbia/MoosyDoosy Town team are CopCake/Slam/Fidei/scott/nm I have a good town plan and don't want to let the mafia get any ideas of my plan - they are flailing once GB got busted - smart town should understand. Unless you have a better case, Superbia needs to get lynched. I'll be up before deadline. | ||
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