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I didn't even know Marv had a read on JAT. How the heck was marv flinging stuff at JAT when I didn't even know Marv had a read. Moosy plz tell me I missed something here
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On August 26 2015 22:53 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 22:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 26 2015 22:45 rsoultin wrote:On August 26 2015 22:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 26 2015 22:42 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2015 22:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
wait Marv what is your read on JAT? Like me, you didn't think his question was dumb The question wasn't the best question ever but I don't think the case on him is that good at the moment it comes down to that q and him not being "jatty" Yeah this. I don't really see much on JAT. If he's mafia, he'll still be mafia later in the day anyway. I think we should focus on Trfel rite now. truffle's probably town with the stipulation that he didn't make me laugh :/ I'd still like an answer to why he asked for an opinion on marv when there was literally almost nothing that marv had posted. I feel like it's getting punted to the side while people are trying to kill JAT. several games (2-3 that i'm aware of?) palmar has caught scum!marv off of about that many posts and lynched him d1. jat is not unaware of this (he was in at least one of those games) so it's not a ridiculous thing for truffle to say it is however a ridiculous thing for jat to latch onto, and most especially a ridiculous thing to be the only thing jat latches onto
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On August 26 2015 22:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 22:53 rsoultin wrote:On August 26 2015 22:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 26 2015 22:45 rsoultin wrote:On August 26 2015 22:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 26 2015 22:42 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2015 22:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
wait Marv what is your read on JAT? Like me, you didn't think his question was dumb The question wasn't the best question ever but I don't think the case on him is that good at the moment it comes down to that q and him not being "jatty" Yeah this. I don't really see much on JAT. If he's mafia, he'll still be mafia later in the day anyway. I think we should focus on Trfel rite now. truffle's probably town with the stipulation that he didn't make me laugh :/ I'd still like an answer to why he asked for an opinion on marv when there was literally almost nothing that marv had posted. I feel like it's getting punted to the side while people are trying to kill JAT. several games (2-3 that i'm aware of?) palmar has caught scum!marv off of about that many posts and lynched him d1. jat is not unaware of this (he was in at least one of those games) so it's not a ridiculous thing for truffle to say it is however a ridiculous thing for jat to latch onto, and most especially a ridiculous thing to be the only thing jat latches onto This makes more sense and actually has the resemblance of an actual case.
So your definition of an "actual case" is that JAT latched onto a particular statement that Trfel gave and it was the only thing he did. I agree that it's odd, and I'd probably lynch JAT if it was the only thing he did in an entire 48-hour period.
However, you seem to be just looking for reasons to find JAT scummy.
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On August 26 2015 23:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
oh ok i found the meta thing about marv that annoyed me. The Cheesecake one and about how he's incoherent as town while he makes sense as mafia.
Specifically why does this annoy you?
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On August 26 2015 23:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 23:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 26 2015 23:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
oh ok i found the meta thing about marv that annoyed me. The Cheesecake one and about how he's incoherent as town while he makes sense as mafia. Specifically why does this annoy you? I dislike meta reads esp in D1. I would understand if there were several days and someone's meta was consistently off during those days, but using meta as a D1 lynch just feels meh to me esp since I've never played with JAT, palmar, or marv.
And yet, the case on JAT appears to be mostly meta. According to Rsoultin "doesn't matter is the case is bad, jat is mafia" And you appear to be looking for an inlet into lynching him.
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On August 26 2015 23:06 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 23:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 26 2015 23:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 26 2015 23:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 26 2015 23:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
oh ok i found the meta thing about marv that annoyed me. The Cheesecake one and about how he's incoherent as town while he makes sense as mafia. Specifically why does this annoy you? I dislike meta reads esp in D1. I would understand if there were several days and someone's meta was consistently off during those days, but using meta as a D1 lynch just feels meh to me esp since I've never played with JAT, palmar, or marv. And yet, the case on JAT appears to be mostly meta. According to Rsoultin "doesn't matter is the case is bad, jat is mafia" And you appear to be looking for an inlet into lynching him. There is literally not a single thing in my case on JAT that has anything to do with meta.
This is your case:
On August 26 2015 21:44 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 20:11 justanothertownie wrote:Yeah? I would like to know what's the point of this when marv had done absolutely nothing at that point in time: On August 26 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote:
Otherwise, I'm interested to see what Palmar has to say about marvellosity. This is blatantly attacking something that's super simple to explain for no reason. Jat clearly #1 lynch
The meta reads came from rsoultin who expounded on the idea of JAT being mafia for meta. At least I think that's what Rsoultin was saying. Also, marv told me that JAT is one of the best arguers as mafia when I brought up the fact that JAT stood his ground against you. I'm taking these reads as meta aside from your case.
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I honestly just want JAT to do something else so Palmar can call him mafia for it.
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On August 26 2015 23:10 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 23:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 26 2015 23:06 Palmar wrote:On August 26 2015 23:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 26 2015 23:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 26 2015 23:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 26 2015 23:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
oh ok i found the meta thing about marv that annoyed me. The Cheesecake one and about how he's incoherent as town while he makes sense as mafia. Specifically why does this annoy you? I dislike meta reads esp in D1. I would understand if there were several days and someone's meta was consistently off during those days, but using meta as a D1 lynch just feels meh to me esp since I've never played with JAT, palmar, or marv. And yet, the case on JAT appears to be mostly meta. According to Rsoultin "doesn't matter is the case is bad, jat is mafia" And you appear to be looking for an inlet into lynching him. There is literally not a single thing in my case on JAT that has anything to do with meta. This is your case: On August 26 2015 21:44 Palmar wrote:On August 26 2015 20:11 justanothertownie wrote:Yeah? I would like to know what's the point of this when marv had done absolutely nothing at that point in time: On August 26 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote:
Otherwise, I'm interested to see what Palmar has to say about marvellosity. This is blatantly attacking something that's super simple to explain for no reason. Jat clearly #1 lynch The meta reads came from rsoultin who expounded on the idea of JAT being mafia for meta. At least I think that's what Rsoultin was saying. Also, marv told me that JAT is one of the best arguers as mafia when I brought up the fact that JAT stood his ground against you. I'm taking these reads as meta aside from your case. JAT has to stand his ground, if he doesn't he's already dead. Nothing to do with meta, if he shies away from the confrontation he will die.
This is actually true, didn't think of it like that. As either alignment he has to make that post defending himself.
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On August 26 2015 23:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
where is wave. i need his thoughts.
This makes absolutely no sense. Why do you need wave specifically?
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On August 26 2015 23:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Morning guys! Gosh I'm super stoked to have a bunch of stuff to read.
SARCASM DETECTED
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On August 26 2015 23:14 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 23:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 26 2015 23:10 Palmar wrote:On August 26 2015 23:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 26 2015 23:06 Palmar wrote:On August 26 2015 23:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 26 2015 23:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 26 2015 23:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 26 2015 23:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
oh ok i found the meta thing about marv that annoyed me. The Cheesecake one and about how he's incoherent as town while he makes sense as mafia. Specifically why does this annoy you? I dislike meta reads esp in D1. I would understand if there were several days and someone's meta was consistently off during those days, but using meta as a D1 lynch just feels meh to me esp since I've never played with JAT, palmar, or marv. And yet, the case on JAT appears to be mostly meta. According to Rsoultin "doesn't matter is the case is bad, jat is mafia" And you appear to be looking for an inlet into lynching him. There is literally not a single thing in my case on JAT that has anything to do with meta. This is your case: On August 26 2015 21:44 Palmar wrote:On August 26 2015 20:11 justanothertownie wrote:Yeah? I would like to know what's the point of this when marv had done absolutely nothing at that point in time: On August 26 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote:
Otherwise, I'm interested to see what Palmar has to say about marvellosity. This is blatantly attacking something that's super simple to explain for no reason. Jat clearly #1 lynch The meta reads came from rsoultin who expounded on the idea of JAT being mafia for meta. At least I think that's what Rsoultin was saying. Also, marv told me that JAT is one of the best arguers as mafia when I brought up the fact that JAT stood his ground against you. I'm taking these reads as meta aside from your case. JAT has to stand his ground, if he doesn't he's already dead. Nothing to do with meta, if he shies away from the confrontation he will die. This is actually true, didn't think of it like that. As either alignment he has to make that post defending himself. I don't think you're mafia But that post sounds like mafia. mehh~~~~~~
That's what I get for reevaluating
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On August 26 2015 23:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 23:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 26 2015 23:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
where is wave. i need his thoughts. This makes absolutely no sense. Why do you need wave specifically? -shrugs- i regard him as a good player that's unfortunately rather frequently afk. why else would i call for him lol.
So you think wave is town right now? I'm operating under the assumption that if you need someone's thoughts on a subject that you would believe he is town, else he would lead you astray.
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On August 26 2015 23:28 KelsierSC wrote:
like here is my issue with the whole thing
"palmar caught marv in some games off like 2 posts so im waiting for palmar's thoughts on marv"
for one thing JAT might not have known this was the case, trefl didn't even say this was the reason he wanted to get palmar's thoughts and even if JAT did know this happened he might have forgotten about it.
with this in mind JAT asking trefl to explain his point isn't bad at all.
I think we can all agree that JAT asking the question isn't very bad at all from an objective standpoint. Except Palmar.
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marv out of curiosity what WERE those two posts that palmar got you off of in some game? I assume they were more substantive than this game. Trfel may have just been joking, too.
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On August 26 2015 23:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
It was the way he called someone "bitch" in one game. Best to not think about things like that CC. You're sexy as hell btw.
Consider me pocketed.
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Moosy you never substantiated on your wave!town read
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The only thing Moosy has done that is mafia is townread wave.
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On August 27 2015 00:55 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 00:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Catching up.
Frigging euro dominated game ##unvoteShould have just said marv/Palmar dominated game. Which is fine I suppose since they're both extremely likely to be town at this point. Let's see. Welcome back CC. First thoughts are that he's town because I remember him posting similarly to this in a couple of towngames we played together, that being said there is ONE old-as-hell scumgame of his I want to look back at (where he ragequit eventually 'cause his team was shitty or something?) because what someone (marv?) said about him being more coherent as scum could be true but I truly don't remember. 2-year-old meta meh anyway but I have re-embraced the use of meta recently to decent effect so we'll see. Tentative townread for the moment. Rsoul extremely likely to be town from interactions. Scummiest people stand out to me as JAT because the last time I remember Palmar going like this on anyone, it was on me when I was scum when nobody else ever catches me. Moosy because pocketing efforts when I am the only one in this game he knows to be 'good.' I say 'good' because I have been SUPER on point in the last whole bunch of games I've played (as both alignments for once) and Moosy correctly realizes that I could be a threat based on that. Which brings me to Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 23:14 marvellosity wrote:On August 26 2015 23:13 Palmar wrote:
Wave is a shitty has-been player anyway can't be a has-been if you're a never-was ^ wow, what a bitch Fucking brutal guys. Is all of that really necessary? I actually have gained some confidence in my play for once and I refuse to let it be crushed by the likes of you. Unfortunately the fact that I'm not here means if either of the aforementioned are scum I won't have contributed at all to their lynches which is super bleh. ##vote: JAT
This post makes Wave scum. Specifically, the text in bold. Wave comes back to the thread to see the popular scum-candidate JAT sitting on a wagon driven by Palmar. His read takes no consideration for JAT's actions this game. In fact, he says he respects Palmar's play enough on day 1 to sheep him without regard.
Wave claims that he has gained some confidence in his play. If wave truly has gained confidence in his play (I.E. reads), then why is he letting Palmar, who may very well be mafia or just plain wrong about JAT, decide the lynch for him? Wave is blindly assuming that Palmar is town and correct without A) Assessing the lynch candidates motivations / actions and B) Looking at Palmar's push in and of itself. He doesn't even quote a post by Palmar and agree with the reasons.
##Vote: Wave
On August 27 2015 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push. You're sweet. I'm way better at scum than to blindly sheep. I've only ever been officially caught ONCE as scum and it was by Palmar, therefore I afford him a measure of respect on his D1 bullshit, enough to sheep him on what appears to be a fairly decent read.
JAT hits the nail on the head here. Wave's defense against this is basically "I'm better than this", which I find lazy. Regardless, Wave still fails to situate why he thinks Palmar's case is good.
On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't really have much to say about that specifically.
Palmar and marv have a super special bromance together that I can't explain accurately in any real detail. The way it seems to me is that Palmar tosses out reads super early just 'cause, some of which may be accurate and some of which might not be but he sticks with them and forces them if necessary, and re-evaluates in secret. In the scumgame where he caught me even though he forced his read on me all game he was actually constantly re-evaluating based on what was going on in game as was evidenced by his posting.
For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right.
As for how this relates to Trfel/rsoul.....dunno.
When Wave extrapolates upon how Palmar plays, he admits that Palmar's early reads are 'just 'cause' and may/may not be accurate.
How can Wave seriously think JAT is his top scumread / top vote for the day if he: 1) Has not evaluated JAT's actions, or explained why Palmar's case is good 2) Knows that Palmar's early reads are often 'just cause' 3) Is not sure of Palmar's alignment? It makes no sense to me. Palmar may have caught Wave as scum day 1 in another game and he respects him, but this course of action is scummy regardless of how you package it. It's incredibly convenient if JAT flips town, and then Wave can take no responsibility for the lynch.
All I want you to answer @WaveofShadow:
Why is Palmar's case good. Not Rsoultin's, or anyone else's, but Palmar's case. What does Palmar say that is convincing and makes the case against JAT generate a "fairly decent read"?
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On August 27 2015 04:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 04:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 27 2015 00:55 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2015 00:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Catching up.
Frigging euro dominated game ##unvoteShould have just said marv/Palmar dominated game. Which is fine I suppose since they're both extremely likely to be town at this point. Let's see. Welcome back CC. First thoughts are that he's town because I remember him posting similarly to this in a couple of towngames we played together, that being said there is ONE old-as-hell scumgame of his I want to look back at (where he ragequit eventually 'cause his team was shitty or something?) because what someone (marv?) said about him being more coherent as scum could be true but I truly don't remember. 2-year-old meta meh anyway but I have re-embraced the use of meta recently to decent effect so we'll see. Tentative townread for the moment. Rsoul extremely likely to be town from interactions. Scummiest people stand out to me as JAT because the last time I remember Palmar going like this on anyone, it was on me when I was scum when nobody else ever catches me. Moosy because pocketing efforts when I am the only one in this game he knows to be 'good.' I say 'good' because I have been SUPER on point in the last whole bunch of games I've played (as both alignments for once) and Moosy correctly realizes that I could be a threat based on that. Which brings me to On August 26 2015 23:14 marvellosity wrote:On August 26 2015 23:13 Palmar wrote:
Wave is a shitty has-been player anyway can't be a has-been if you're a never-was ^ wow, what a bitch Fucking brutal guys. Is all of that really necessary? I actually have gained some confidence in my play for once and I refuse to let it be crushed by the likes of you. Unfortunately the fact that I'm not here means if either of the aforementioned are scum I won't have contributed at all to their lynches which is super bleh. ##vote: JAT This post makes Wave scum. Specifically, the text in bold. Wave comes back to the thread to see the popular scum-candidate JAT sitting on a wagon driven by Palmar. His read takes no consideration for JAT's actions this game. In fact, he says he respects Palmar's play enough on day 1 to sheep him without regard. Wave claims that he has gained some confidence in his play. If wave truly has gained confidence in his play (I.E. reads), then why is he letting Palmar, who may very well be mafia or just plain wrong about JAT, decide the lynch for him? Wave is blindly assuming that Palmar is town and correct without A) Assessing the lynch candidates motivations / actions and B) Looking at Palmar's push in and of itself. He doesn't even quote a post by Palmar and agree with the reasons. ##Vote: Wave
On August 27 2015 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push. You're sweet. I'm way better at scum than to blindly sheep. I've only ever been officially caught ONCE as scum and it was by Palmar, therefore I afford him a measure of respect on his D1 bullshit, enough to sheep him on what appears to be a fairly decent read. JAT hits the nail on the head here. Wave's defense against this is basically "I'm better than this", which I find lazy. Regardless, Wave still fails to situate why he thinks Palmar's case is good. On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't really have much to say about that specifically.
Palmar and marv have a super special bromance together that I can't explain accurately in any real detail. The way it seems to me is that Palmar tosses out reads super early just 'cause, some of which may be accurate and some of which might not be but he sticks with them and forces them if necessary, and re-evaluates in secret. In the scumgame where he caught me even though he forced his read on me all game he was actually constantly re-evaluating based on what was going on in game as was evidenced by his posting.
For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right.
As for how this relates to Trfel/rsoul.....dunno. When Wave extrapolates upon how Palmar plays, he admits that Palmar's early reads are 'just 'cause' and may/may not be accurate. How can Wave seriously think JAT is his top scumread / top vote for the day if he: 1) Has not evaluated JAT's actions, or explained why Palmar's case is good 2) Knows that Palmar's early reads are often 'just cause' 3) Is not sure of Palmar's alignment? It makes no sense to me. Palmar may have caught Wave as scum day 1 in another game and he respects him, but this course of action is scummy regardless of how you package it. It's incredibly convenient if JAT flips town, and then Wave can take no responsibility for the lynch. All I want you to answer @WaveofShadow: Why is Palmar's case good. Not Rsoultin's, or anyone else's, but Palmar's case. What does Palmar say that is convincing and makes the case against JAT generate a "fairly decent read"? Pretty sure in your giant filter case against me you could have discovered this yourself. Yawn. Not impressed.
No, I could not. You talk about moosydoosy, palmar, and marv more then JAT in every instance. I found one post where you give a scumread on JAT because he was very forgettable early or something, but that has nothing to do with why you think Palmar's case is any good.
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