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On August 16 2015 22:27 rsoultin wrote:
wrong is wrong...could be wrong, could be scum
buddying is a thing...you can have a townread without playing kissass
yeah try to back out of it
wifom wifom wifom
if y'all don't lynch artanis before the game is over i'm beating you all with wet noodles >< maybe even something harder lol ^^
So basically you've got no arguments left and now you're just yelling. I gotcha.
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On August 16 2015 22:30 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2015 22:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 16 2015 22:27 rsoultin wrote:
wrong is wrong...could be wrong, could be scum
buddying is a thing...you can have a townread without playing kissass
yeah try to back out of it
wifom wifom wifom
if y'all don't lynch artanis before the game is over i'm beating you all with wet noodles >< maybe even something harder lol ^^ So basically you've got no arguments left and now you're just yelling. I gotcha. nope ^^ you're still scum, my arguments are still awesome, and if town is smart they'll lynch you once i'm dead
Your arguments are all refuted, you have literally nothing. Pls go die asaply.
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On August 16 2015 22:32 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 16 2015 22:30 rsoultin wrote:On August 16 2015 22:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 16 2015 22:27 rsoultin wrote:
wrong is wrong...could be wrong, could be scum
buddying is a thing...you can have a townread without playing kissass
yeah try to back out of it
wifom wifom wifom
if y'all don't lynch artanis before the game is over i'm beating you all with wet noodles >< maybe even something harder lol ^^ So basically you've got no arguments left and now you're just yelling. I gotcha. nope ^^ you're still scum, my arguments are still awesome, and if town is smart they'll lynch you once i'm dead Your arguments are all refuted, you have literally nothing. Pls go die asaply. demonstrably not refuted lynch artanis ^^
Demonstrably refuted since all you could say is "it could be scum" "wifom" and "back out of it".
One: It could also be town, plus I've been more right than you are so that should apply more to you than to me. Does not make me mafia.
Two: Town can and does buddy just as hard as mafia does. Does not make me mafia.
Three: Says absolutely nothing. Does not make me mafia.
Four: "Wifom" says nothing. Does not make me mafia.
Nothing you've said even approaches a case.
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On August 16 2015 22:37 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2015 22:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 16 2015 22:32 rsoultin wrote:On August 16 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 16 2015 22:30 rsoultin wrote:On August 16 2015 22:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 16 2015 22:27 rsoultin wrote:
wrong is wrong...could be wrong, could be scum
buddying is a thing...you can have a townread without playing kissass
yeah try to back out of it
wifom wifom wifom
if y'all don't lynch artanis before the game is over i'm beating you all with wet noodles >< maybe even something harder lol ^^ So basically you've got no arguments left and now you're just yelling. I gotcha. nope ^^ you're still scum, my arguments are still awesome, and if town is smart they'll lynch you once i'm dead Your arguments are all refuted, you have literally nothing. Pls go die asaply. demonstrably not refuted lynch artanis ^^ Demonstrably refuted since all you could say is "it could be scum" "wifom" and "back out of it". One: It could also be town, plus I've been more right than you are so that should apply more to you than to me. Does not make me mafia. Two: Town can and does buddy just as hard as mafia does. Does not make me mafia. Three: Says absolutely nothing. Does not make me mafia. Four: "Wifom" says nothing. Does not make me mafia. Nothing you've said even approaches a case. nothing you said refutes it. all you've said is why it could come from town newsflash anyone can do that, pretty ^^ by your standards i've already refuted your case. guess that means i can't be scum and can never be lynched! yay! lynch artanis
The fact that you acknowledge it can all come from town yet still tout your lynch Artanis train with such confidence and certainty speaks volumes about your alignment. You're doing the same thing you've accused me of; tunneling.
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On August 17 2015 00:08 Damdred wrote:
I'll throw one quote in here to make a point and then everything else you have to start fact checking as its mostly from,memory.
So early on I had a town read on attains just for genera activity and,how,he handled the game to a point. Everything was fine there was this point when I had this eh feeling and that first moment was when art came,out of,no,where and,hard town read Ruxx.
Ruxx early is super hard to town read if you haven't really experienced his town gamer in action but Art shows no hesitation but is willing to sheep rayn on almost anyone else. Ita a really strange hard read when ruxx wasn't making sense at that point.
His. Play. Didn't. Make. Any. Sense. For. Scum. This is not how scum act. I'm sorry that I'm good I guess? You can lynch me for that but you'll have to erect a statue for me afterwards telling the world how I died for your sins of not being as good as me.
Now,moving on the next thing that bothered me,was how,he eliminated condor from his lynch pool. He just asked him to,be useful,and do things and he hadn't really done anything of note to that point. But he ignores him up until this post, Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 06:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Guys, I think I want to lynch the condor. I just made this after digging through everyone's filter in the most rapid tempo I could (you might need to doubleclick to see it): ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/jzjwJ/879fb2a648.png) And I've noticed that besides me, no one actually has a townread on Deconduo, a bunch of people have scumreads yet he has no votes. I also went through his filter again in this process and found that he hasn't really given many original thoughts at all other than setup related. I think that makes it pretty likely for him to be scum, since someone would've pushed him by now if he wasn't, especially with a lack of organisation. ##Unvote
##Vote Deconduo Read it, I didn't really pay,much attention to,this post. Art admits to still having a town read on condor but insist that because no one else town reads him it's worth a vote. Tay has better reasoning Han that and that's just bad. And look at the timing people aren't sure I'd they want to lynch hopeless and we are thinking and art shows up with easy target condor.
I wanted to pull a Ver, basically. I've heard Ver talk about reading between the lines and that's what I tried to do right there. I felt that everyone softpushing Decon but with a wagon failing to come out of the ground I figured he was likely to be scum because of general thread sentiment. Apparently, I misapplied it.
Furthermore, if you think as scum I make a spreadsheet of everyone's reads, indicate myself as green on Deconduo and THEN try to get a wagon started on him I don't know what to say. Yell WIFOM all you want, it's just suicidal to do as scum.
So we lynch condor and move into the night, travel had a suspicion on art and I asked him early that day if he would,of lynched art but never acts on it and basically forgets about,the read on art during that day voting with him. And never questioning him past that point fixing him light suspicion.
Can't really comment on Trfel's actions. I can read through them again though.
Now fast forward towards the chez/prp/travel
Art is fine with lynching,chez. Jumps to,travel,with everyone sleeping a good post by rayn but the first sign of a jump to prp he follows and it is only after rayn threatens him with a d4 lynch he jumps back and refuses to move.
I was consistently doubting all the way before going to bed. I could easily have switched to prp and gotten away with it. I don't play for the long game since I fucking hate playing scum. I would've saved Trfel all day every day and you can call wifom on that as you like but it's true.
Now art is using a Poe that could,potentially lose the game, is only co,tent with pushing scum on myself and Rs without evaluating the rest of,the game,like he,normally would. He also pushes Rs almost into a tilt,instead of trying to get her to work with him and prove he's town.
Really aggro.
I think,it a a food,chance he's scum.
And sorry if,it's hard to read on phone.
I wanted to go through everyone with Rayn but Rayn wanted to focus on just the people I think are mafia, and so I did. Eh. I think one of you and Rsoul is likely mafia. I actually changed my mind about Vivax being so certainly town because his vote as mentioned did bring things into a tiebreaker and he's been very absent the last few days. It's possible he's scum too. I don't think anyone else is.
As for pushing Rsoul, I still think she's the most likely to flip scum. Besides, she's an r-soul so there's a certain enjoyment in pushing her anyway.
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On August 17 2015 06:33 Damdred wrote:
You were third to the party on town reading ruxx though so,no no statue this time.
This part doesn't make sense you hard town read Rux so,he doesn't get lynched because his play doesn't keep sense,etc. But then you still start a wagon on town,because of,thread sentiment? I don't believe it when,ruxx had thread sentiment,and you did the opposite.
Don't lie about the long game, in imperial you played for,the super,long game and our dead in the water team,mates we hit them with a huge bus.
Rs is town I believe and she will probably be lynched here hut your actions don't make a lot of,sense. And vivax vote matters less than its being,made out to,be since we had a decent amount of,time to make a lynch still
I'm pretty sure I was the first to be so vocal about it though, and for the right reasons.
Because people actually tried to lynch Ruxx, which never happened for Deconduo until I did it.
Trfel wasn't dead in the water and I wasn't the sole player there. Both you and Marv were around and I really didn't want to bus either one of you. I mass spammed marv to keep trying.
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Like there was literally no way not to bus Superbia/Ritoky, if there WAS a way I would've probably tried for it and we even extended both their deaths by one day on D2 if I recall correctly. We didn't have a choice.
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On August 17 2015 06:45 Damdred wrote:
Well even by your own logic there it can be said that you did try to save hopeless for another day and he just didn't play past there if you are scum.
I give it to you the games are different but I still see some of,the same,things in you here and there.
No matter what way you try to,turn it is that you started a wagon on your to an read for a convoluted reason that looks insanely scum,motivated in retrospect.
And travel was a bit dead in the water meh...a small bit because of lack of cares
Yes, I hardpushed town over mafia. Yes, I've done that as mafia before. Guess what, I can do it as town too and it doesn't make me mafia by any means. I also think that the way I did it I'd never do as mafia whatsoever precisely because it looks so bad. Yes, you can call WIFOM on that argument but not doing so in the first place is always going to be better than doing it then trying to get towncred by an argument that's just going to be called out as wifom.
Trfel really could've easily been saved another day, and there's no way I wouldn't have if I was mafia. As for the Trfel scumreading me but not pushing me; on D2 he did the same on you. He called out both you, me and Chez iirc and didn't prioritize one or the other.
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On August 17 2015 06:55 Damdred wrote:
You didn't just push town over mafia though, being wrong doesn't make you scum. Pushing a town read because of,convoluted reasoning that does have scum,motivation. But if you are scum you had the town cred to do it and,more town cred lynching ark !trfel
Which btw I believe both scum hard town read Rs trfel read her town for,petty bad reasoning what do you think of that
I honestly am starting to think you're the mafia because I really don't think you can believe that I'd make that reason up as mafia. Like seriously Dammy, if you're town think about this.
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On August 17 2015 07:02 Damdred wrote:I am thinking about it that's why ,I changed the topic. And no I have caught you as  mafia for poor reasoning,before so yeah.
Poor reasoning =/= townreading someone, posting it in a spreadsheet and pushing them in the same post. Come on man.
As for both mafia townreading Rsoul for bad reasons; Hopeless didn't give any reasons at all, just put her in a townlist. Trfel's last mention of Rsoultin was
On August 14 2015 15:16 Trfel wrote:
Maybe Chezinu, depending on what he does next.
Maybe prplhz, I need to read his filter again tomorrow.
Maybe rsoultin? I've kind of been ignoring her?
I need to take a closer look at what ruXxar's saying.
Artanis is looking a bit better, but I'm still concerned..... Same with Damdred.
I don't really feel like filter diving tonight.
So I wouldn't really say he was townreading her.
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On August 17 2015 07:08 ruXxar wrote:
Artie, can you explain why Decon is scum due to thread sentiment?
I don't understand the argument.
Why does the fact that people call Decon scum but no train start on him mean that he's scum?
Because it's hard for scum to completely fake reads against what they feel is obvious. If someone were scum with Deconduo and sees him post the way he did, they'd probably think they can't possibly defend him so instead they scumread him, but scumread someone else harder and push that person. I feel it's a common way for mafia to play because mafia rarely hard defend eachother. I saw smoke, I figured that smoke = fire. In this case, that was false.
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Basically, I felt if he was town either a scum would push the easy target or they'd hard defend him for towncred. Since neither happened, I presumed he was likely to be scum.
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On August 17 2015 07:16 Damdred wrote:
And honestly art most of your replies to,me are basically wifom with how you handled the,lynch which is,sorta annoying,to a degree.
I don't get why the same rationale,didn't fit Rux though a lot,of,the thread scum read him and town read rayn and vivax pushed him... it just feels such a a different approach to,similar situations
Perhaps it's wifom, but question yourself if the wifom argument is really worth it vs just not doing it at all. If I were scum and I was planning on pushing Deconduo I could do a lot better than that I did and in a way that wouldn't haunt me as much. That's just a fact really.
People had hard opinions on Rux. People didn't have hard opinions on Dec. That's the main crux here.
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On August 17 2015 07:34 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2015 07:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 17 2015 07:08 ruXxar wrote:
Artie, can you explain why Decon is scum due to thread sentiment?
I don't understand the argument.
Why does the fact that people call Decon scum but no train start on him mean that he's scum? Because it's hard for scum to completely fake reads against what they feel is obvious. If someone were scum with Deconduo and sees him post the way he did, they'd probably think they can't possibly defend him so instead they scumread him, but scumread someone else harder and push that person Who did the scum team scum read harder and push?
Well, Hopeless was afk and Trfel pushed RuX.
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The mistake I made which Rayn aptly pointed out later was that everyone was too happy to join the Deconduo train once I did start it, whilst some strong town players were still on Hopeless. Had I actually taken a decent look at the vote counts and realized whom was on whom I might've switched to Hopeless.
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On August 17 2015 07:33 Vivax wrote:
Latest posts by arty are quite townie.
Please don't try to pocket me now Vivax, I might have to jump into your arms 
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On August 17 2015 07:48 ruXxar wrote:
You guys should all read trfels filter and see how he interacts with the people. It's quite short.
I'm feeling better about rsoul being town reading it.
Mm, I already forgot about Trfel's early townread on her. Does feel likely that it isn't scum-scum, meh.
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Though the fact that he weakens that off and considers her again later, dunno.
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I'm actually considering the option that prplhz is mafia and that they tried desperately to get prplhz lynched over Trfel which is why he acted so poorly at EoN.
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Wow, try ctrl-f'ing for Prplhz in Trfel's filter.
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