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On July 23 2015 09:32 Half the Sky wrote: Thanks. <3 I also have links in my profile to the games I've run before, in case those not familiar with me wondered a better idea of what to expect. As for Ras, I'm just going to call her Ras-pew-tin from now on....she's scum in any game I play with her until she does something to prove otherwise. xD <3 ;o; i keep rolling scum and having to adjust for the things people think make me scum and you hosts should just stop giving me scum pms >> twice in three games is not fun (and yes i know others have rolled it more frequently than that and i shouldn't complain lol) | ||
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just don't use literally figuratively and i'll be happy also, remind me that i need to change my sig at some point lol | ||
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On July 24 2015 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote: But that's literally allowed now. They changed the definition. There is literally no word to describe something literally happening as opposed to figuratively now. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23729570 The english language is ruined I tell you, LITERALLY RUINED Don't fucking talk to me about those traitors! I'm going to literally rip their heads off and use them for soccer balls for this travesty! | ||
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anywho, gonna attempt this not spammy new style thingy this game...seems as good a place to start as any \o/ | ||
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birds chirping bugs chirring the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes but guys, guys, guys... rayn is scuuum ^^ | ||
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On July 25 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote: beautiful warm day birds chirping bugs chirring the chlorine didn't burn out my eyes but guys, guys, guys... rayn is scuuum ^^ he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- | ||
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On July 25 2015 09:33 GlowingBear wrote: Onegu is town we'll see lol ^^ you're a bit quick on that trigger, and so is scott on me i think xP now i just have to do this xP xP xP xP teehee >< rsoul oneg!meta too good  (maybe, it's only been borne out once) | ||
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probably serious dude far too serious ^^ | ||
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snickers town for overwhelming obnoxiousness, may put on mute cause half his pushes are blah ksc townlean; frustration feels real gb not freaking out all over a dead thread possible scum...would say prob scum but there's the off chance he just passed out partying and that's why he's being particularly useless lol >< | ||
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On July 25 2015 16:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Last thought before bed: I want to know why scott gave ksc posts + what his read on ksc is now. He had this whole bit on not liking ksc's entrance, ksc came back with "you can't find me scummy if you don't find anyone else scummy" (which makes no sense at all) and then scott immediately left him alone and gave him posts. Made no sense at all. this guy gets an early townlean | ||
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On July 25 2015 19:53 boxerfred wrote: Haha, apparently I suck. I checked the statistics thread, not the recent ones. Okay, let's go on. Snickers is strange. Also the cop claim is strange. r u 4 serious? | ||
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On July 25 2015 22:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Looking at that, all the post givers are probably town. lol Palmar. well at least this gives your alignment away pretty easily.  go! i may agree on one possibly but am unwilling to commit yet xP why are all, though? | ||
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nah, i thought the timing of the post giving was kinda odd myself...like for me it makes sense to give posts to a scumread/someone you're suspicious of closer to deadline if they're running out of posts and you don't want to give them an excuse to dodge your push this early while questioning him got my attention, too, as curious at the very least | ||
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On July 25 2015 23:22 Snickers wrote: Too many people are talking about Kelsier aka probably town. I like how RSo said half my pushes are "blah" and is trying to discredit me. So what pushes are blah. The calling the "frustration" scum after trying to get him to help or some small thing about that one dude. dial down the ego a tad, dude you're approaching this game like a paranoid schizo...prob town for it, frankly, but that doesn't make your arguments amazing, now does it? or just vote for me xP you've shown how amazing you are at reading me in the past and conveniently pasted it all over this thread, too ^^ | ||
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On July 25 2015 23:50 Clarity_nl wrote: I get this game is post restricted but come on guys, where's my mafia fix? you want people to talk, talk scumlean ^^ | ||
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On July 25 2015 23:54 Clarity_nl wrote: Rude. I think hopeless is the wagon of truth right now, wanna join rsoultin? got an original thought? | ||
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On July 25 2015 23:56 Clarity_nl wrote: Not really. Is that a no? do something or go away | ||
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On July 26 2015 00:04 Clarity_nl wrote: Why are you making this so difficult. Do you like a hopeless lynch or not, and why? do something or go away i know you've read the few pages of game that are here. if you're really that curious, look. i don't think you are ^^ you keep trying to bully me onto things while doing nothing but playing cheerleader, you keep sinking further and further in the scummire | ||
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doesn't matter if you were right on a read once upon a time. welcome to the tl mafia club | ||
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On July 26 2015 00:12 Snickers wrote: Okay so start by doing this. 1.stop doing dumb shit. 2.defend yourself. 3. dont complain when i mimic ur dumb shit defend myself from what? lol what "dumb shit" am i doing? | ||
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i don't think you look at the right things. i don't think that makes you scum. grow some balls, learn to take criticism without flipping out, and move on if we want to get into some stupid shit about last game we can, but i've been doing my best to leave that out of this cause it's simply irrelevant | ||
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On July 26 2015 00:22 Snickers wrote: go through and explain all my pushes and which ones are blah. nope ^^ you can deduce that just by looking at where our reads line up. i'm not on trial. you're not lynching me here's a clue, sweetcheeks: -rsoul was wrong on a scum player when she was town! -i think rsoul is wrong on ksc! -rsoul must be scum! you don't see where that argument falls apart at all? disregarding the very real possibility you're wrong on ksc anyway and this whole argument is moot, even if you're right you just said i'm scum for something i've done as town and presented that as evidence i don't know where you get some of this shit, frankly -_- | ||
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On July 26 2015 00:27 Snickers wrote: so yea lynch rsoul today ksc is so fucking town. please, please tunnel me the whole 1-2 cycles i survive so you look like the idiot you are when scum nks me for actually pushing scum while you're too busy nursing your ego ye you're officially on mute i'll take you off whenever you start actually making sense | ||
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want to sit on obi/oneg/scott...won't call them town yet but they don't bug me as much as some others the rest are fair game and i couldn't care less about currently hopeless/gb/clarity preferred lynches presently...maybe palmar cause i'm not sure what he's doing -_- | ||
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That's bad | ||
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now learn to sarcasm xP On July 25 2015 07:30 rsoultin wrote: he totes just scumslipped and i'm totes 100% serious ^^ guys! guys! guys! listen to me... lol more seriously, i dunnae, bf...that's a bit too obvious to really mean anything, don't you think? -fades back into the ether- ^ it's partially an inside joke and you speak Portuguese so you're somewhat forgiven, but i actually haven't been defending myself because there's nothing to defend myself from apart from idiocy as for the hopeless thing...i'm willing to lynch him, there's nothing more to be said about him and i don't like clarity now, if you're town, find another tree to bark up ^^ talk to me about clarity, actually | ||
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On July 26 2015 02:01 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, it could be sarcasm, but what do you do of his joke? It's odd. Lemme see clarity lol, it is sarcasm. what are you asking? what do i do of whose joke what? | ||
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i've been kinda more hands-off this game as well cause my hands-on game is super spammy. what do you think about the rest of his play? as for clarity, i don't like him because he has no opinion, just is sheeping, then he demands me for mine on the player he has no opinion on? he complains about no one posting or progressing the thread without progressing the thread. and then he disappears as soon as snickers starts tunneling...it seems like he's posting just to post to me | ||
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On July 26 2015 02:47 GlowingBear wrote: There is nothing reeeeaaaaally scummy in Kelsier's filter other than that. But his posts are mostly "I can't believe I'm wasting my time with this" and questions that are leading nowhere. It doesn't... Suits well? I forgot the word. And about clarity, I actually think that the way he is posting is a way to progress the thread. He may have disappeared, but it can be just coincidence that he disappeared right when snickers came. I don't expect people to have firm opinions on first half of day one and I can totally see him doing what he is doing as town and I hardly believe he would do that as Mafia. What is his interest, as Mafia, to vote someone without reasoning it and asking people to talk about it? not knowing what to do and trying to look proactive xP | ||
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as much as i trust any claim from you xP it's a little surprising how often you use the same arguments against me when they've been proven false before and you've seen me get angry/frustrated so many times, but whatever lol >< i don't think that makes you scum, just illogical current lynch list in order of preference: clarity, hopeless, bf, tofu i've got at least shit reasons to lean town/townread everyone else not lynching: ksc, palmar, snickers, rayn yay \o/ | ||
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On July 26 2015 06:29 Snickers wrote: if you actually made a case on clarity i would probably think ur town already have | ||
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On July 26 2015 06:32 Snickers wrote: rso if you have to add two more people to ur not lynching list who would they be? uh...i don't really want to lynch anyone not on my lynch list? the ones on my "not lynching" list are the ones i consider non-negotiable today, though | ||
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On July 26 2015 02:41 rsoultin wrote: :/ i disagree with you on both those reads, gb i've been kinda more hands-off this game as well cause my hands-on game is super spammy. what do you think about the rest of his play? as for clarity, i don't like him because he has no opinion, just is sheeping, then he demands me for mine on the player he has no opinion on? he complains about no one posting or progressing the thread without progressing the thread. and then he disappears as soon as snickers starts tunneling...it seems like he's posting just to post to me | ||
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On July 25 2015 23:26 Clarity_nl wrote: Sheeping rayn before he tunnels me. I agree Hopeless opening post looks forced. ##Vote Hopeless1der Onegu named town I think claiming d1 is standard thing to do so it's whatever, basically am miller claim. This snickers guy is pretty cool ^ it's a problem with the strength of the read not lining up with his behavior. why is he trying to champion this lynch? i probably would have voted for hopeless already if his behavior surrounding the lynch wasn't making me twitchy | ||
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ye well -_- snickers i don't really appreciate his purposeless opening digs | ||
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i'd contest that some of rayn's early pushes and the more collaborative nature of them could be considered a "good start", disregarding the "claim", and don't really think that scott looks that bad this game though, dude also, much as i can't say that i've appreciated all of snickers' posting, i do think he's town and i'm not going to lynch a townread just because he's aggravating i really like your point on gb though, bf, because it reminded me that gb was ready to read clarity as town for "reaction testing" or whatever, and being the king of such "reaction tests" himself, i find it quite odd that he didn't interpret rayn's initial post similarly like i would assume most players did considering i'm town and at least leaning town on the others, snickers, i think you're way off-base xP | ||
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'cause the entirety of the post seemed like it was coming from a towny mindset to me; he's noting down discrepancies and trying to look into how people are approaching their reads, i don't have an insanely high expectation for bf after just seeing his town game but he's met the threshold for not being my d1 lynch oneg most likely town. it is pretty standard to claim named vt from the get-go, oneg may even be fake-claiming it as town cause he loves to pull that sort of thing, but i don't see him doing it as scum without knowing if there's someone who could cc him. plus, as i said, that "anger" read thing that he has on me he's stated before as town so i'm pretty sure he believes it not to mention you're being doltish anyway by thinking that because you mention that i'm pissed, it's the same as him saying specifically that i tend to be more angry as scum than town are you townreading clarity? if you are, why? @gb yeah, no. you're focusing on something pretty damn irrelevant. there is nothing that says someone can't try to make a play to start discussion and still want to hang back a bit to see what fruit it bears. your "contradiction" isn't even a real contradiction, and there's really no huge deal about him opening with that post to begin with; you've opened with far less useful shit in the past. i don't think it makes you scum, per se, but i think bf noticing it makes it more likely that he is town | ||
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On July 26 2015 03:37 GlowingBear wrote: Palmar, address to this. This + him constantly being annoyed that people are wasting his posts + wanting to lynch me because he doesn't like me, then saying it's because I'm stupid, then admitting that being stupid doesn't make me Mafia but still willing to lynch me is very scummy to me. meh, maybe, but you think it's more likely for annoyed scum to say he wants to lynch you even though stupid doesn't make you scum? or annoyed town? cause yeah, i perfectly understand his sentiment. i feel the same way about snickers. i won't lynch him, but i'd be happy to have him out of the game xP | ||
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On July 26 2015 12:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I would advocate taking a serious look at Onegu if he continues down this path of "I claimed so I'm confirmed town." he's done it too much as town for that to mean anything? like, i have a way to read him but it requires a little more time than this lol >< and it's still in it's early stages but it bore fruit last game | ||
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On July 26 2015 13:40 GlowingBear wrote: That puts snickers, or even Scott, on the chopping block. I've done nothing to annoy him other than calling him Mafia for fair reasons. Plus he says he doesn't like me. Then he says it's because I'm stupid. Then admits being stupid isn't a scum tell but he would be okay to lynch me anyway. It's not that he could not do that as annoyed town, is that there is no reason to be annoyed with me in this game + it sounds more like he was okay with a lynch on me without having any reasons for lynching me. Then, when having the matter pushed, he couldn't find a fair reason to "not like" me. Why doesn't he like me? What I've being doing that is stupid? He fails to show that. The only townie thing I saw in his filter was what Palmar said about dismissing the possibility of shitting the thread, but he could also be trying to avoid getting more suspicions at him by dismissing a push, even if a bad push. I see nothing townie in him that takes him out of the lynch list like you did. I have yet to see what exactly makes him townie to your eyes that he is never getting lynched day1. Please tell me yeah, well, i'm okay with lynching people i have no reasons to lynch, too xP it's called a null read and yes, ksc is perfectly capable of being annoyed with stupidity in general. neither of us has much patience for it, and you aren't exactly known for being logical look at his filter and his read progression has he expressed irritation at stupid pushes on him? yes. is that the majority of his filter? no he's clearly making reads and contributing and i really liked his push on tofu because i felt the same way reading tofu's response to palmar. plus i dunnae i think the aggression and bite in general is more likely to come from a town ksc than a scum one. scum worries about making friends. town just wants to solve the game xP it's tonal but i'm fairly confident on it or i wouldn't have him in my strong townreads in the first place | ||
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i kinda ignored your post on oneg cause i'm not really concerned with the lynch beyond this day phase right now...kinda goes without saying that everything needs to be reevaluated as the game progresses last post of the night...not sure where i'm at but i'm trying not to run away with posting before i run out of posts i really want everyone to look into clarity though and tell me why they're townreading him if they are | ||
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hrum...scott, i guess my problem with scott is i feel like he's been lynched or at least strongly suspected for something similar before as town but it's one of those things i can't remember so well -_- i don't have a strong lean on him one way or another though i kinda giggled at his explanation regarding giving the posts. i don't know if y'all noticed cause it wasn't well-articulated, but essentially he said that since ksc was whining about having to "waste" a post defending himself, he gave him posts, which is a type of assholeish sarcasm that amuses me rayn's point is really good, though. if he's not reading rayn scum, where are the scummy voters coming from? i could have been too quick to like him just for being a dick? i dunnae :/ | ||
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i just came from a game with bf (we both did, actually) and he definitely wasn't timid endgame there...bullheadedly illogical but not going to be swayed from his opinion by anyone, basically. though i can't remember if he started out that way or not; i'd have to check...i pay so much less attention when i roll scum lol >< why do you think tofu's just bad? i'll admit the one thing giving me pause was there are certain players you just don't go against as scum (i know how ironic this is after my last scum game lol ><), and assuming you're town, a palmar that is playing (and there was one other, maybe rayn?) aren't people most would go toe-to-toe with | ||
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and tofu's push on palmar was horrible. it's not a bad lynch. it could be a wrong lynch. i'm hoping palmar can articulate why he doesn't want to pull the trigger on it a timid bf doesn't fit with my knowledge of bf, either, so that may actually be a thing, despite liking his big post. i'll admit that his posts made me twitch even as scum just cause of how little sense they made. i might be very wrong on him here because lack of twitch factor lol >< | ||
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heh i had no clue how many posts i was on ^^ apparently i'm alright ye, 100% unless i see something new from clarity, if we can get a lynch rolling on him i will lynch him over everyone else right now | ||
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On July 27 2015 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar are you sure Kelsier is more likely to be mafia than FT is? I have to get up at 4am, i am going soon, i need your input. I hate rsoultin is not here and Clarity is probably scum. lol i'm here...i actually had a social life this weekend, wonder of wonders eh, i didn't like gb's case on ksc :/ blah, but that's more because it seems to me that gb isn't understanding what's being said in a lot of kelsier's posts. i guess i could be somewhat pocketed here but i don't think so? | ||
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On July 27 2015 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: goddamn Palmar. At least comment on what i said about FT?!?!? why is noone i expect to play is playing?  i need you to articulate it better for me, rayn how is the thought process contradictory? his explanation for it (palmar having new reads on people he was actually interested in) seemed okay? granted, it's obvious palmar won't be lynched and it's pretty coincidental that he doesn't seem to think he's scum anymore | ||
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1. he's used his posts to contribute and make reads - point is wrong 2. could be if the point is the very last sentence...but i interpreted it as him saying that (scott? i think it was?) shouldn't be shutting down my reads just because he thought ksc was "scummiest" 3. yeah, null read is null here still - point is wrong 4. you're still stuck on "annoyance" meaning that ksc thinks you're scum - point is wrong the only point that holds any water here, gb, is the second, just as rayn said, and frankly i can still easily see it coming from town so it doesn't outweigh all the things that i think makes ksc town this game | ||
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clarity clarity clarity and if he's scum this game i get a cookie! \o/ so start baking | ||
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On July 27 2015 04:37 GlowingBear wrote: Well, I think point 2 is damning enough. I can get what you're saying about the others. But, as I stated, he repeatedly deflected pressure. It wasn't only on that post. He never answered my other pushes on him, he shut snickers down too. I think it's very damning I don't see the points on tofu. I do see the point on scott 2 isn't damning at all if it's how i interpreted it to be? like, i get it could be either way, i'm not ksc, but if i can interpret it as coming from both alignments and see nothing else to make me think ksc is scum, it's not enough for me to change my mind? that simple why not clarity, rayn? i really think he's scum :/ | ||
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On July 27 2015 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: I ma not sure about it. I am not sure about Kelsier being mafia. I actually think you and Palmar are more likely to be mafia. lol then you're at least 50% wrong and i dunnae...i'm shit at reading palmar but i don't think i've seen him play this way as scum? i agree with the stream of consciousness doubty thing mentioned by tofu i think it was so most likely you're 100% wrong...tofu you may be right on but i don't feel strongly about him? i don't really know how to explain it, apart from clarity doing nothing to progress the thread in any way and knowing that he's capable of it. he even "sheeped" you without making it clear what his read on you even was, which is something that i don't believe comes from a towny mindset | ||
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On July 27 2015 04:41 GlowingBear wrote: You're talking about the interpretation you have on his answer to scott, and I'm talking about him shutting down ANY pressure put towards him, that can't be object of double interpretation. It is a deflection of pressure. yeah, so? i do that as town? if it's stupid as shit half the time i tell you to take a hike, go read, etc. etc. if it doesn't make me scum i'm not sure how it makes him scum | ||
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On July 27 2015 04:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you're shit at reading Palmar but i am wrong on him? lol you guys love to focus in on this i've told you why i think he's town and i've admitted i could be wrong cause i know i'm not good at reading him. so what? like, do you have a case on palmar i didn't see? i'm not just going to sheep you on him when i think he's town and i have no clue if i should trust your read over mine because i don't know how good you are at reading him. i suspect not very. he's fucking palmar -_- | ||
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On July 27 2015 04:45 KelsierSC wrote: you're just a massive twat with no brain so discussing anything with you is pointless. I answered your case and you are still trying to push it. ksc can you please just answer gb's question? if he still pushes it just put him on mute like i did with snickers ^^ until he says something worth commenting on | ||
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proof or it didn't happen i trust myself i trust certain players on particular other players if i'm townreading them i trust a townread palmar's d1 reads to some extent if i at least get a similar feel like, seriously, how can you expect me to trust you when you're not even sure and you're scumreading me in the same breath for god knows what reason? i suspect association, personally, which just makes me want to facepalm. maybe you're right on tofu but i really think clarity is the better lynch today because i see scum there where tofu could just be bad town? | ||
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yeah you're just bad, okay -_- no i don't trust your palmar half read based on association | ||
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On July 27 2015 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Me being whatever (i am actually good) at reading her is not a reason to doubt my read on Palmar. Those two things are unrelated. She is using an argument that has nothing to do with what i say about Palmar to discredit me. if you're town you will listen to me if you are not town you may succeed in mislynching me again which would be fucking infuriating, but everyone else will take note yes, you are or at least keep insisting that you are actually good at reading me...i actually have seen no evidence of this apart from titanic since you rolled scum in all 3 of the last 3 games we played together but if you're this fucking wrong on me who you're supposed to actually have an inkling of how to read, and i think that palmar is objectively much harder to read than i could ever be, then clearly your reads can't be trusted ARE YOU OR ARE YOU NOT SCUMREADING US BECAUSE WE WANT TO LYNCH CLARITY OVER TOFU?! because if you are you're being fucking idiotic | ||
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On July 27 2015 05:03 GlowingBear wrote: Let's settle on Scott. I really think he might be Mafia ##Vote: Scott explain why over clarity and make it good | ||
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eh i get what you're saying, ksc, but the difference is clarity is the only one i strongly feel is scum...i don't even really want to lynch scott? like that whole oh he did a list post thing...so fucking what? he just did it in gaiden? you know? i dunnae -_- i won't stop a lynch on scott or tofu but i really want clarity i think there's very little chance clarity flips town | ||
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On July 27 2015 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am scumreading you because you aren't doing shit and saying dumb things and/or using dumb narratives to discredit my thoughts. I am being, like i have been, honest here, i lynched you in the other game because you were scummy. You were. Obviously you were town, but you weren't doing shit. Obviously that was because you were playing two games at once and didn't have time but it does not change the fact you didn't do shit. You are not doing shit here. I don't find any intelligent comments from you. I just fucking don't. Palmar goes to same pile. I actually hold you two in the highest regards in the players in this game. I cannot understand why netiher of you cannot fucking see why what FirmTofu is doing is scummy as fuck and i cannot understand how you can possibly think Clarity is a better lynch than FT just because he is inactive. Like feel free to go ahead and lynch Clarity, i am telling you he will flip fucking town. FirmTofu will not. Kelsier will flip town. I have no idea what Scott will flip. So yeah. It doesn't help i have to wake up at 4 am so i REALLY gotta go in like 15 minutes. yeah screw you ^^ i'm a tonereader. you have to wait a cycle cause i don't trust fucking inconsistency arguments that you so love to make because HALF THE TIME THEY MEAN NOTHING i ASKED you to explain your read better and you couldn't. try | ||
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On July 27 2015 05:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: he isn't making any sense his reads do not progress logically his read on Palmar is shit nstead of trying to find/lynch mafia he wants to lynch whoever he can (see fucking Kelsier - Palmar reads of his) meh i'll filter-dive him, okay? and if i think he's as likely to flip scum as clarity i'll push him myself for the info mostly because of that shit post at the top of the page lol >< | ||
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On July 27 2015 05:20 FirmTofu wrote: It's fine if I get lynched, just not optimal. Do you want me to vote for myself? The only way I survive is to vote for the biggest wagon that isn't me at this point. see my problem with you before i even open your filter is it was clear palmar wasn't going to be the lynch when you returned to the thread. now, granted, maybe you really did just happen to start thinking he was town right then but it was awfully convenient timing to suddenly find someone else who actually could be lynched scummy and drop the palmar push it makes me wonder if you made up the townread just to pull off palmar, which a townie wouldn't even feel the need to do, or shouldn't, because it's obvious that they need to lynch the best lynch of the wagons...or push the shit out of their own scumread if it's different so if in reading your filter i see whatever it was has rayn's panties in such a bunch, yeah, we're gonna lynch you | ||
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On July 27 2015 05:32 Palmar wrote: Mehh I don't really care. Logically I shouldn't fight FT's lynch. If he is even a remotely viable human being he is definitely mafia because his entire storyline regarding me is trash and bullshit. I'm just not sure he is a viable human being. So whatever. I think clarity has a better chance of flipping scum and my vote stays there, but I'm not gonna defend FT when the only defense to be made for him is "he barely counts as a sentient life-form". rofl >< you know when i started townreading you? when you said i was town for a post that had "reasoning" by my standards. such an asshole <3 made me laugh but really i haven't seen a ton to doubt you on anyway regardless obviously not moving my vote now...and i really hope clar flips scum and i'm not wrong on my townread on rayn just so i can thumb my nose at him for calling me an idiot and saying i'm not doing anything -_- ass | ||
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ye i still think clarity is more likely to flip scum i'll lynch ft over scott look, obi...yeah he's afkish but he literally comes in without a read on rayn, says he'll sheep him (yes it can be assumed he's townreading rayn there cause otherwise it makes no fucking sense) and jumps on the hopeless wagon who, if i recall, was the only real non-retarded push at the time. sheeping implies he has no read on the guy yet he starts "championing" this push on hopeless while snickers is tunneling me which felt really off...like seriously if hopeless ever flips scum it's highly likely clar is scum for that alone then he comes back in with that big post on why he thinks hopeless is scum (which essentially is really no different from what he first said, just that hopeless' first post felt "forced") like, if the guy isn't going to be around today, you really think he puts in NO WORK, sheeps someone who he may or may not have even have had a townread on, then pretends his read on hopeless was strong by parroting what he said in the first place, which was essentially parroting what RAYN said in the first place? we all just got out of a game with clarity. you really think this is his town game? i don't | ||
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On July 27 2015 06:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote: thanks. ye, true, his filter was very palmar focused up until the point thread sentiment swung against him. i'm just able to see most of that coming from town, just the same? won't try to argue you out of it though i'd be happier lynching clarity lol @bf ye, snickers is hard to swallow a lot of times. unfortunately that doesn't make him scum; in fact i'm fairly confident he's town | ||
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he only had clarity at null/slight scum and said his vote was suspicious -_- On July 27 2015 06:11 scott31337 wrote: Boxerfred - His vote/post on me was pretty bad, I don't see his town direction - and he wants the Clarity lynch, who I think is town (or at least townier than these two, tofu and boxer) The third I have no idea on - prby a vet. I'd switch to boxer instead of Tofu - I'm just not seeing the Clarity points others are showing. then this, and he goes into clarity's filter and changes his mind? that doesn't seem so horrible? scott, what was townie about clarity when you said the post i quoted? | ||
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On July 27 2015 06:35 Onegu wrote: Man my and rayn's reads are in fucking sync this game then you're both awful or mafia ^^ probably awful do something useful | ||
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On July 27 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote: It is horrible when he says Mafia is taking votes off of tofu but does not consider people forming the clarity wagon? It is horrible because if he thinks tofu is mafis he should instantly believe clarity is town under that circumstances, but he dives and say he could lynch clarity but does not reevaluate his read on tofu? In a vacuum, his flip isn't horrible. What is problematic is his thought process ummm why does him thinking clarity could be mafia mean he has to think tofu is town? i get the other way around but it's like you took this an extra step without thinking it through if he thinks clarity could be mafia then it doesn't matter who is trying to lynch clarity, and it doesn't mean he can't think that tofu is scum, too? it just means it doesn't make sense to pursue who is "scum" trying to switch the lynch to clarity? | ||
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if i'm scum here not hammering scum or (presumably?) attempting to save him by voting scott, i'm an imbecile honestly, i just didn't realize that everyone was on scott or whatsisface ft or whatever, or i probably would have voted ft and you'd have an actual argument, oneg lol >< ftr i still think clarity is mafia ^^ | ||
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On July 27 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote: yeh the no vote count and no mod communication was a bit irritating don't mind nearly as much when we end up lynching scum xP but ye, it was confusing -_- | ||
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okay, this is literally my last post of the cycle :/ i'm really bad at this post management thing never lynch rayn (yeah i know that people prob wouldn't anyway but whatever). he started the ft train and pushed the hell out of it awfully early...even if i wasn't already townreading him, i don't see him bussing an active scummate like this d1...he's a busser but not in this situation lol >< ksc is nearly as strong a townread. he actually started the pressure on tofu before rayn did, first by calling him out on the palmar push and then in this post when rayn was still focused on scott: On July 26 2015 21:14 KelsierSC wrote: This is a really good post. Snickers I think you're town and I love the energy you're bringing but Onegu is not the lynch today. I'd lynch Scott or Tofu. Scott is partly because of his early play which I questioned him on and I think rayn's point about his spreadsheet is good. Tofu, his second "push" on palmar felt bad. his secondary scum also felt like he didn't really give a shit "rayn's been quiet"...yeh well it's a post restricted game but rayn had stepped up by that point. Then a throw away bf has a small filter. I don't like obi either stupid but wondrously awesome reason at the same time to townread GB, on top of him just acting like his normal townie self (with all the positives and negatives that this entails): On July 25 2015 11:09 GlowingBear wrote: I don't think you're playing? ^ seriously doubt GB wifoms this in anticipation of FT's flip...and since the replace was before the game, yeah. no shared QT alert yeah this snickers read is similar lol >< now, snickers was being kinda crazy around the lynch, granted, but i highly doubt he comes in with this post where he assumed that FT had c/pd his role pm if he were scum. it would have to be coordinated and ye...plus, already townreading him anyway for that paranoid schizo thing i mentioned earlier: On July 27 2015 05:30 Snickers wrote: so firm is probably getting modkilled great. ^obviously if snickers knows that FT isn't VT that's not going to be his reaction, unless he's being especially clever (more possible than with GB since the train was pretty strong at this point, but i still doubt it) moving on to the next tier... onegu prob town for the claim (snickers is just wrong on this push) and ye, the meta of like just a few reads tunneled into the ground is holding up -_- annoying bugger xP plus another player early on the wagon ows i looked particularly close at cause i think his comment on clarity being an objectively bad cop check was shit...but yeah he was really strong on the ft lynch as well and noticed something interesting about clarity/ft associations that i'll be pointing out below scott...this one i can't qualify so well, but of all the people ft pushed (and he did push several) i feel like scott was the one he pushed the strongest as a counterlynch to himself even before the wagons were down to just these two. i also just feel that his posting seems pretty natural this game and the reasons people are calling him scum are all pretty bad as for palmar...eh i guess i can see him protecting a scumbuddy who did nothing but buss/tunnel him for the beginning of the game, but i don't find it terribly likely. that's an awful lot of interaction/defending and i don't think palmar is that bad? if anyone can fool me it's him, though. his reads early game seemed pretty natural and lined up with mine pretty well though so ye bf - so...i was actually tempted to put him in null, but tbh i kind of like how his ksc/gb reads kept changing with new information (and it's really the only reason i have him here instead of there, apart from a i just like people reading clarity scum gutfeel that i'm trying to ignore with both him and palmar, only partially successfully) Null hopeless - pretty nothing filter and wanted a scott lynch, though there was a little bit of half-decent comments on onegu i guess Clarity is mafia apart from what i've already said about him, there are these two glorious interactions: On July 26 2015 05:23 Clarity_nl wrote: Pretty much true actually. I've arranged to be around during deadline tomorrow but I won't be around all day and I'm not supposed to be here tonight either. What I don't understand is that instead of just answering my question you antagonize me? You keep saying you're happy to lynch hopeless yet your vote is still unused, I don't get it. I don't agree with Palmar about your opening posts because I know where the joke stems from, but you went from happy go lucky to pissed in the span of like 2 posts although snicker's tunnel was pretty dumb I guess. Not quite sure what's going on with you yet rsoultin, but your townreads seem good so whatever. Anyway, do not lynch list: rayn, Palmar, KSC, Snickers (lol), onegu Mixed feelings about scott. He noted rsoultin was different than gaiden, which I agreed with at the time of his writing, but he mentioned it like THREE times for some reason to really drive home that he HAD A READ while emphasizing that it was only a slight lean. Granted this one is explaining his read. Then he tops it off with his preffered lynches, all the lurkers. From what I remember firmtofu is massive lynchbait regardless of alignment so I think he makes a better shot than a lynch. Still liking the hopeless lynch. So here's my problem with this post. I've got reasons to townread (i didn't expect it to work out this way, but it did, lol ><) pretty much everyone in the game but hopeless and clarity. Here we have clarity "championing" the hopeless wagon and pressuring me in a very incongruous way towards it (incongruous in the sense that he appeared to and still appears to have no real read on hopeless beyond a weak parroting of rayn, instead spending most of his post talking about scott...but oh, scum ft is lynchbait and he'd still lynch hopeless? for being on hopeless and trying to get me to commit, he sure didn't push hard for that lynch) secondly, we have what obi noted, namely that ft drops clarity's name practically out of the blue when clarity is the other main wagon as being a good lynch without any reasoning. if you look through ft's filter, even though he made it clear he'd lynch clarity, he never actually tried to push him and instead directed more attention to scott/ksc, only voting clarity to save himself i have another reason that unfortunately i can't really discuss that makes me pretty positive that clarity is mafia, but if these associations, and the clear lack of wanting to push each other are not enough, there's also the simple fact that clarity is doing absolutely nothing to attempt to find scum when i know that he is a much better player than this. even with limited time he should have been able to come up with more than he did instead of voting a player he didn't even bother to really talk about, question or push TLDR Strong Townreads Rayn KSC GB Snickers Townreads Onegu OWS Scott Townleans Palmar BF Null Hopeless Lynch it with fire! 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i'd rather not continue spamming, so people, please read my entire post so you're not wasting my time with questions on things that have already been explained bf is a townlean...it's in the post...i think that his reads on gb and ksc in particular look townie because of how they change with the info in the thread, but i don't have a strong reason to townread him in all honesty i'll try to preserve posts or whatever and answer everything relevant at once maybe y'all will notice what i noticed about clar but that's all i can say regarding the 3rd point | ||
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so, ye, not terribly sure if all the posts given to me were legal given the mod comment and cba to actually verify at the moment palmar, i'm a touch wary of you because i know you're one of the only players that i struggle with reading (others i've gotten wrong but generally the longer i play, the better my reads get, so i'm not as concerned about them) i would really like you to read my reads list and explanations and comment on where our reads differ. i thought my point on gb in particular was stupid but kick-ass lol >< ksc, gb, and hopeless seem to be the ones we disagree on the most i think... also, i may regret this but seeing as how everyone's being generous with their post giving to me and snickers appears to have something to say: #give 5 posts to snickers forewarning, snickers: i'm not going to use my few remaining posts to argue with you, especially over anything dumb. i'll answer questions if you have them, though. i know you can do whatever you want with these posts, but i think it's pretty telling people give them to me and not you...please try to be somewhat respectful lol >< (82/90) | ||
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On July 27 2015 22:24 Clarity_nl wrote: rsoultin if you wanna call me scum for playing voice last night you're allowed. It's a really dumb fucking reason, though. 83/90 it's only one among several reasons ^^ and you know it's not fucking dumb, when you're saying you have no time for anything, play voice and simply don't even bother to comment or put any work in on anything. granted i don't know if you were there at EoD or not cause i only popped in much later at a summons from artanis, but either way it clearly demonstrates a lack of interest in this thread for whatever reason you think this game is low priority, and my guess (which is probably spot on ) is you don't care because you're scum. you go on and on about wanting to play this game with ksc and i or whatever. well, here's your chancedo attempt to have actual reads ^^ and fair warning: if you try to push me it may work for awhile but i bleed town, baby lol >< that's probably not a fight you'll win | ||
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i think you're wrong, rayn, but can you explain to me why you think clarity is town? unless it's just because you're tunneled on me, in which case your read is already based on a false premise and it's not useful to me at all -_- i'd like to hear your read on palmar unless, again, it's just associative | ||
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On July 28 2015 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Double scum. Same thing agin. Discrediting my argument with reasoning that has nothing to do with what i said in the first place. why cant anyone see rsoultin does "not want to trust me" because "i am untrustable as i am scumreading her"?? Attack the person, not the argument. Basic scum strategy. Palmar mafia because not cooperating with me at all. 85/90 damn it rayn >< why can't you english? i am saying that IF your reason for townreading clarity is because you are SCUMREADING me then you are already WRONG, and there is no reason for me to reevaluate my read if that is not the reason i want to know what it is! why else would i ask you? why won't you talk to me? -_- you're arguing around me again instead of just trying to talk to me | ||
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i know what you're talking about -_- i asked you a question that you ignored. i don't like it when you don't talk to me, because that looks like your fucking scum game and you're making me doubt my read on you, which i really DO NOT want to do if you're actually town cause that leads me into tinfoil territory so if you're town here, can you put your ego aside for like two seconds, realize that i thought (and still do, to some extent) your preemptive scumreads of palmar and myself were ASSOCIATIVE and try to actually determine my alignment with your big head instead of your small one? i mean, seriously, you're being almost as bad as snickers here -_- explain. it's not obvious to me. to me it makes no sense from TOWN perspective, it's not like clarity plays as town, he just saw wave pull off the same bullshit he's pulling in our last scumgame, gb is actually right in his assessment of this "shoot me q.q" shit he's pulling (i've done that as scum and wave just did it as scum so don't you dare tell me scum doesn't do it) why should palmar cooperate with you? you arbitrarily decided we were scum (as far as i can tell) because you believed tofu was scum and we preferred a different lynch well, NEWS FLASH there are three fucking scum in this game if you've got a GOOD reason to townread clarity, please explain it so i can understand and don't you DARE attempt to say you're fucking scumreading me for my reaction to YOUR FIRST AS YET UNEXPLAINED SCUMREAD and not agreeing with you on palmar WHO YOU ALSO LUMPED IN FOR NO REASON like literally you said i was "too good" to not see that FT was scum? okay? i never said he was town. i said I THOUGHT THAT CLARITY HAD A BETTER CHANCE OF FLIPPING SCUM and i still think he's scum and i STILL do not trust your reads based on what appears to be association...how the fuck do you know palmar and i weren't pushing scum ourselves? you could only know that for sure AS SCUM YOURSELF if you're town you'll actually attempt to determine my alignment instead of USING THE EXACT SAME ARGUMENT YOU USED TO MISLYNCH ME WHEN YOU ROLLED SCUM ON VENDETTA STRADA i'm a good player. i'm not infallible. and there's no proof i was even wrong, which wouldn't make me scum ANYWAY did you read my reads post? do you have any comments? or are you just going to keep this nonsensical tunnel up interminably? | ||
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On July 28 2015 05:45 boxerfred wrote: huge post on gb noone cares 87/90 read my reads post. i don't think gb can be scum | ||
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one word: xxx now talk to me -_- | ||
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On July 28 2015 06:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Rayn was the counter wagon to Jat though. It's not the same thing. 89/90 yeah, i know he's still refusing to actually engage with me and that IS indicative of his scum game so don't sleep on it late game if it comes to that, ows | ||
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ye i'm lynching clarity unless i see something pretty amazing on someone else that completely negates my townread on them | ||
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... meh -_- i really don't think he's scum, is the problem. like, i still think this is unlikely to come from a scummate as soon as ft enters the game? On July 25 2015 11:09 GlowingBear wrote: I don't think you're playing? ^ GB should have known FT was playing if they were scum together? i kinda think maybe he's a miller? cause i kinda think palmar doesn't fake-claim cop here? | ||
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i don't know why that's impossible? i mean i guess it's improbable lol...but cop hate in a game where there's presumably a named vt anyway is kinda eh? if there were a third blue role (since named vt is kinda weak) further cop hate would make sense for balance? i dunnae i'd have to think about it yeah right, palmar, i'm going to sit here and try to defend a scum buddy who like 9/10 gets lynched here instead of just jumping on the train you're brilliant | ||
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On July 28 2015 09:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't understand how that GB line matters? 4/80 scum qt would have (or should have and i'm pretty sure hts has done this in all the games i've had with her where i've rolled scum) the names of the scum team listed in the opening host post so gb thinking ft wasn't playing makes it very unlikely that they were scum together? to think otherwise you'd have to think the hosts dropped the ball (possible) or that gb for some reason set this wifom thing up from the start in anticipation of ft (or himself, i guess) flipping scum (improbable) | ||
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On July 28 2015 09:46 Palmar wrote: scott and snickers are as good as confirmed townies. My check is fake. The only people who would react to a cop check by immediately trying to defend a possible miller after lynching the mafia framer on day 1 are those who suffer of a serious case of TMI. All the normal townies just say "yay, red check, go us!", as evidenced by most people's reactions. This makes rsoultin mafia. Every time. Also she was rayn's #1 scumread anyway so if you don't believe my reasoning read rayn's. ##vote rsoultin 5/80 your reasoning is retarded if you've got a fucking red check on a townie i'm gonna play along with it as scum. why the hell wouldn't i? -_- go to bed. you clearly need the sleep if your reasoning is this fucked | ||
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so when i flip town, what then, palmar? you're saying i can't critically think about a claim as town? i have to be mafia? i really thought my reason for townreading gb was pretty damn solid and still do | ||
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yeah of course scum is going to say sheep town!rayn on town!rsoul you better fucking come up with your own reason for scumreading me or you're next when i flip town ^^ | ||
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On July 28 2015 10:21 Hopeless1der wrote: So by that logic I can interchange scum for town and town for scum right? So: "yeah of course town is going to say sheep town!rayn on scum!rsoul" I mean, that makes perfect sense to me. 9/80 still not a reason ^^ | ||
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10/80 lynch me, then and when i flip town lynch fucking hopeless and clarity and if they're not scum look to palmar i know i'm town town may well play the part of stupid sheep, but his complete and utter lack of reasoning beyond rayn saying so is scummy as hell, and considering i wasn't townreading him before, i really could care less what you think about that post | ||
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it's not even an accurate representation of what i said. it IS why rayn was scumreading me but his english is shit i said that if he's not right on ME i doubt he's right on PALMAR who is objectively harder to read than i am. that's not the same as not trusting any of his reads. that's very specific i've also said countless times that HIS FIRST scumreads on us seemed to be based on association and nothing else which is a shit reason to scumread anyone, especially before anyone has flipped | ||
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On July 28 2015 10:29 GlowingBear wrote: So lynch palmar? Why are you so defeatist instead of pointing out why palmar is scum and ACTUALLY trying to lynch him? You're wasting your breath just to defend yourself and call people bad, dear. Let's catch scum instead? 12/80 the worst part is i'm not sure that this even makes palmar scum? though admittedly his dropping the clarity read like a load of bricks doesn't look good -_- i don't know anymore i have a really hard time reading people when they're scumreading me because my natural reaction is to think they're scum, especially if the reasons are this stupid i've made my case on clarity and i'm pointing out why i think hopeless is scummy for this i'm not being defeatist? mostly i'm just kind of frustrated that i have to deal with fucking bullshit when i'm trying to figure out this game | ||
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On July 27 2015 04:43 FirmTofu wrote: Calling this game now. Mafia team is Clarity, scott, and Kelsier. It's just so perfect. you realize this post was two hours before EoD when he was the leading lynch by a mile? | ||
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ye, hopeless, you asked why he'd put scum in that list. that doesn't look like your reason was you had reasons to actually individually townread the players at all i still want to lynch clarity and that's where i put my vote i will vote for hopeless, as well palmar/scott running some weird super-aligned mafia play seems unlikely so i guess i'll just...i dunnae...stick with my original gut feeling on them for now? -_- like, i guess it's possible that they're all scum together and i'm just majorly sucking this game and for whatever reason ft didn't bother trying to really move the lynch to clarity and instead focused on scummate scott but that seems kinda out there with palmar's gambit (?) and scott sheeping him...i dunnae -_- ye, i'll rethink palmar when i don't want to strangle him lol >< | ||
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lol i don't particularly care, in all honesty but you know i'm scum with tmi because i didn't instantly "believe" palmar's check on gb...even though my response made it clear that i didn't think palmar was scum fake-claiming -snorts- so my opinion on whether your cop check thing is particularly relevant to your alignment is apparently moot xP sorry, i just really think this push is ridiculous -_- | ||
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On July 28 2015 10:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yep. Nope. Yeah it does. Rso made a big post and I changed my reads. 16/80 you missed this post, snickers, and complained he was ignoring you he probably did what most people do and assumed that you could follow that his read change was a result of the thing that was new since the last time he posted xP but, yeah, he answered you before your complaint | ||
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your case on palmar gb is the first case i've seen from you that off memory i actually mostly agree with lol >< i'll look into it later...like there's no sense even wifoming the nk...if rayn is town he's getting shot for the push on ft 100% regardless of who the scum team is unless they're attempting to medic dodge...so the only real conclusion i can draw from it is they weren't dodging i'll look into your case deeper tomorrow morning after i get some sleep the soft defend could be something (though i didn't really disagree with him that ft couldn't be bad town doing that at the time -_-) him liking your case on ksc, though, was pretty damn awful. everyone else could see it was bad also the earlier comment on dropping clar the moment the day started...i also don't think he's reading my posts, which may not mean anything admittedly because a lot of y'all don't @.@ but i did specifically ask him to on the ones we disagree on which included you and ksc | ||
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i'll admit that you may be right on clar, which would mean my d1 was pretty shitty -_- still will review the case but it jives and that's usually a good sign i need to think about clar. i don't really see a scum palmar making a play to try to push a mislynch on me over clar if we're both town cause path of least resistance and all, though...and frankly, dropping the scumread like that makes me twitchy anyway like, the only reason i can think of to push a mislynch on me over a mislynch on clar is he doesn't have to nk me that way lol >< and it kind of implies that he could be town if one of rayn's other scumreads flips town that's pretty next level though i think? i dunnae ye, i'll think on it. means nothing if palmar isn't scum, anyway -_- | ||
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...possibly scott i guess? though that's an awful lot of interaction between the scumteam if that's the case @,@ i need to look deeper into the associations between clarity and palmar/ft and see if i was just being awful d1 nh...i think all my strong townreads still hold pretty well, regardless \o/ yay for strong reads i didn't like hopeless' entrance this day phase but i'm obviously biased | ||
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On July 28 2015 14:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Iuno, I forgot that he wrote that giant case on scott that went nowhere. Is that really scum/scum though? 20/80 ye...it's a lot of interaction for a scott/palmar/ft team but it does explain the hammer on ft that said, palmar scumread ksc for wanting/trying to switch to scott last minute, citing that ksc couldn't have known that palmar would switch trains couldn't the same be said for palmar, though? without ksc, palmar can't hammer scott anyway, so if you're scum it's better to be on your scummate's wagon than pushing the counterwagon (even if the counterwagon is scum) i dunnae, still kinda inclined to read scott town now that i've thought it out in here lol >< i had a definite feel that the main one ft wanted to lynch from his filter was scott the clarity scumread came from out of the blue when clarity was the alternate wagon and you needed to prompt him for him to even qualify it. it's tonal i guess but i felt like he was more excited about lynching scott than clar | ||
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On July 28 2015 17:22 boxerfred wrote: I'd say we lynch between Palmar and rsoultin since they are most likely to have opposite alignments from what I've read now. Also lateron I'd suggest a snickers lynch because he's just spamming up the thread without giving genuine arguments to follow up on. Clarity... still need to look into. However there is so much information coming up this day (and clarity completely disappeared, too) that we might actually consider a policy afk lynch. Fun fact. rsouls's xP rate is low as fuck so she probably town :> Obi why ninja Palmar then? 21/80 heh >< if oats is actually right on that "xP" thing and i have to start policing my damn posts as scum for arbitrary emoticons i'm not gonna be happy lol >< ye, bf...i think you need to decide between the two of us, too. the votecount makes that clear. i can answer any questions you have for me? and i'm very interested in your reasoning on the matter as an aside, town shouldn't lynch snickers...i'm almost as sure on him being town as i am on gb (please see my big reads post for why, but it basically goes to snickers assuming that a scum member had posted a vt role pm, where posting your role pm is generally against the rules in these games, which would imply that snickers didn't know that ft was scum or he was putting on a very good act...obviously i think it means that he didn't know ft was scum and really thought that he'd just posted a real vt role pm) if that's not enough, though, snickers' enthusiasm while pushing people this game is something i generally consider to be town-indicative | ||
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speaking of which...where snickers had a similar reaction to mine upon seeing the "role pm" palmar didn't. you can read the quote tree here, but this was in response to ft questioning why snickers would say that ft was probably getting modkilled: yes, if you're aware that the OP has the same exact wording as ft posted you'd respond this way, but i know that i had to check cause palmar's comment confused me. granted, he just could have remembered, i guess, so it doesn't make him scum per se, but it could be an instance of tmi. i think snickers' reaction is much more natural to come from town also, gb's point on palmar liking the case on ksc where he'd already disagreed with part of it before is too good lol >< it doesn't help that palmar actually is a very smart player so he doesn't have the scrub defense to fall back on | ||
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On July 28 2015 21:53 Snickers wrote: obi's play really irks me. so he says he mostly agrees with palmars reads. he also says he wants to lynch people who didnt vote firm tofu day one then he agrees with gb (didnt vote tofu) about lynhing palmar (voted tofu) also i think he said something along the lines of consolidation which i think thats why he said check snickers or rso but then he says he wanted to check us because we hard lynches agaisnt the main wagons or the scum. Not both of those reasons but one. but guess who also did a hard push. gb. not saying its scummy but it should make you cringe just like onegu's claim. 23/80 i understand that you key in on contradictions, snickers but if you read obi's thought process in context, it looks really good. he's adjusting to new info in a way that i'd consider pretty natural, just as you are lol >< ye our votes were bad -_- not consolidating in general is bad and honestly if i'd been more on top of the vote count i probably would have been on the ft wagon but it wouldn't have been alignment indicative at that point, anyway. scum should have been on his wagon there or trying to save him by voting scott | ||
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ye i'm town -_- like, i get you guys scumreading me since i didn't jump all over the ft train but that doesn't make me scum. it just makes me wrong and i'm pretty sure gb is town, too i think you're stuck in the past, snickers | ||
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i've got a problem -_- i read palmar's actual posts and tonally i think...maybe this guy is actually town but he wants to lynch me, ows, and gb...granted i don't have as strong a townread on ows as gb but basically the only people he wants to lynch are people i'm fairly confident (or know) are town -_- i don't know that i want to lynch palmar today after all? i don't think he sits here and starts waffling on my alignment when it's clear that just a bit more pushing will get me lynched if he's scum i also agree with ksc that the cop claim didn't seem like scum fake-claiming (that was literally my first reaction, and was why i mentioned maybe gb was miller -_- cause i didn't see it as a likely scum play) eh this game is really frustrating for me rayn says i'm scum because i'm too smart to be wrong (yes i'm oversimplifying but check for yourself, that's essentially what he said) then says i'm scum because i'm too smart to disagree with his read on palmar solely because he's wrong on me then palmar says i'm scum because i'm too bad to have a townread on gb that goes against palmar's fake-check (oh and because rayn says i'm scum...for being too good to to disagree on a read of his?) oh, and i forgot...onegu says i'm scum because i voted off-wagon during a SCUM LYNCH like, legitimately you guys are scumreading me for things that don't make anyone scum? at least choose? am i too good to be wrong or too bad to be right? lol >< can it be the first since that's more ego-strokey? only when i flip town that makes me look bad so maybe i should prefer the second and oneg's is just retarded. scum vote off-wagon in a TOWN V. TOWN lynch not a SCUM LYNCH i guess it's most annoying because i've got the sinking feeling all three of the idiots making these arguments that would never make anyone scum are town this game -_- and regardless i have an exam that's more important and i won't be here most of tomorrow, so i know that scum is going to capitalize on my absenteeism meh i'd like a clarity or hopeless lynch. i may be willing to sleep on clarity for a little bit to see if anything comes of that replacement, but i completely disagree with palmar's assessment (and rayn's!) that a townie behaves the way he's behaving. he had time. he chose not to spend it here. he may not have time now. he may not have had much time then. but he's not this awful a player and everyone is disregarding the fact that he didn't even talk about pushing his supposed scumread, just soft-defended ft, and sheeped a player he didn't have a read on as for hopeless... i hate hate hate his entrance in d2. it feels like he only posts when it suits him and not to actually help town. he came into post when he was being scumread. he posts here when palmar's pulling his act. if palmar's town (and i'm strongly considering the possibility) hopeless appears to be capitalizing on it | ||
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On July 29 2015 06:18 Snickers wrote: would people listen to me clairty is the worst lynch 26/80 explain why -_- i realize that ft voted for him but he never really pushed him. do you have another reason? also because you asked and i remember wanting to stab myself in the face at the stupid palmar and i are never scum together disregarding the fact that i am town entirely because y'all can't know that no fucking way after a d1 scum lynch are the last two scum going to come out d2 and hard buss one another to force a lynch between the two of them -_- how fucking retarded do you really think i am, snickers? | ||
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pls just answer and stop being a boob -_- even if i were scum your answer could help the rest of town if any other players don't understand what you're getting at don't make me put you on mute again because you don't know how to collaborate and somehow miss the fact that MOST of the players are on your side, snickers | ||
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yeah nvm you can go on mute again -_- still advocating for a hopeless or clarity lynch. if anyone wants to talk constructively about any of my posts/analysis has questions or actually gives a flying fuck in general, i'll be around ciao | ||
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??? based on what did you come to this conclusion, gb? i'm like one of the only people trying to push him -_- | ||
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ye, oneg, you're so good at reading me tonally that you call me scum every game lol >< whatever, dude. i didn't make up your scumread, btw. that you're defaulting back to the original "too angry to be town" thing that you always pull out after i faced down robik is just as stupid now as it was the last several times...i get angry all the time as both alignments, though frustrated may be the better word. good to know you finally realized your other argument was retarded, though xP ye i can lynch hopeless over clarity, but if clarity's scum and marv replaces in for him and you scrubs don't lynch him after i'm dead don't blame me. apparently gay men are as good as "people with vaginas" for weaseling out of lynches as scum oneg, if you seriously start using the line i'm mocking in my sig i may have to disown you outside the game -_- just saying | ||
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yo, ows...for the thing to work properly we have to apparently spell names right or we'll have a repeat of d1 -_- | ||
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On July 29 2015 09:46 Onegu wrote: Agh, but normally if you are town I stop scum reading you I stop the tunnel. This game 4realz you is scum. I mean I had you pegged as scum the entire BH game you just played 32/80 my role pm says otherwise? guardians says otherwise? assassination says otherwise? i think my last town game where you actually townread me was that giant ver game, tbh i'm not saying this to undermine your read, whatever you may think, onegu. you genuinely cannot read me. it's a fact that has been proven in multiple games. i don't claim to have a good read on palmar cause i struggle with him. i think he's town this game but i'm not gonna fight hard on it cause i know i have a bad track record with him you've been right on me in the past...because you always scumread me -_- that's not impressive. you've been wrong on me more than you've been right. do you disagree with that? | ||
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i'm not lynching oneg, snickers this is how he plays when he's town. is it shitty? yes. oh well. if i start lynching everyone whose play i disagreed with you'd be on my lynch list right up there with him the oneg meta read of win...lazy fucker, likes to troll, if he's only got a few reads he sticks to like glue regardless of how much sense it makes or the other evidence...that's prob town oneg -_- this is all completely disregarding the claim. if he hadn't claimed i still wouldn't want to lynch him even though i fucking know if there's ever a large enough wagon on me he'll happily hammer me cause he's too tunneled/trash to ever read me town lol >< | ||
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lol >< gb meet snickers snickers meet gb the circle is complete ^^ | ||
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lol >< there was once a coach. and this coach he says to me, rsoul, i've got something i like to call the gb read. and i said, hey, coach eden, what's the gb read? and he says to me, well rsoul my awesome pupil, the gb read is this thing where town bounces all over the place with his votes in response to new info. and to this day this is part of how i read the bear (and several other players, in truth)...it has yet to fail me your case is not really a case, snickers you weren't there to ask. clarity wasn't there to ask. i was already saying i didn't want to lynch scott lol, gb, you've been glowingbeared >< | ||
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yeah you make no sense? what is townie about hammering town over scum, and what difference does it make if i vote before or after someone else in your little gb/rsoul scum world? i don't even -_- if anyone else wants to give him posts, feel free, but the last ones i gave him he wasted with lols and i don't feel inclined to give him any more just so he can spew more of this shit | ||
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On July 27 2015 05:43 Snickers wrote: GUYS GUESS WHAT IM GETTING A LONG HARD TOWN READ ON BOXER WHY IS THAT?????????? BECAUSE HE COMES TO THE THREAD AND SPENDS 20X MORE TIME ON DEFENDING HIMSELF THAN ON DECEIDING WHO THE FUCK TO LYNCH. EVEN THOUGH YOU ALLL ARE AMAZINGLY GOOD TOWN PLAYERS. HOLY FUCKING SHIT. BOXER: LET ME DEFEND MYSELF WHEN IM NOT EVEN GOING TO GET LYNCHED. HE IS OBV SCUM LYNCH THIS DUDE SERIOUSLY LYNCH HIMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM your last post before the lynch (over an hour before). you weren't there. not only that, but you made it clear you didn't want to lynch scott, so why would he try to get you to? also, everything i said about scott leading up to the lynch from about two hours prior: + Show Spoiler + On July 27 2015 05:08 rsoultin wrote: -_- tofu you'd do better to shut up; that post makes me want to lynch you on principle eh i get what you're saying, ksc, but the difference is clarity is the only one i strongly feel is scum...i don't even really want to lynch scott? like that whole oh he did a list post thing...so fucking what? he just did it in gaiden? you know? i dunnae -_- i won't stop a lynch on scott or tofu but i really want clarity i think there's very little chance clarity flips town On July 27 2015 06:00 rsoultin wrote: lol ye i still think clarity is more likely to flip scum i'll lynch ft over scott look, obi...yeah he's afkish but he literally comes in without a read on rayn, says he'll sheep him (yes it can be assumed he's townreading rayn there cause otherwise it makes no fucking sense) and jumps on the hopeless wagon who, if i recall, was the only real non-retarded push at the time. sheeping implies he has no read on the guy yet he starts "championing" this push on hopeless while snickers is tunneling me which felt really off...like seriously if hopeless ever flips scum it's highly likely clar is scum for that alone then he comes back in with that big post on why he thinks hopeless is scum (which essentially is really no different from what he first said, just that hopeless' first post felt "forced") like, if the guy isn't going to be around today, you really think he puts in NO WORK, sheeps someone who he may or may not have even have had a townread on, then pretends his read on hopeless was strong by parroting what he said in the first place, which was essentially parroting what RAYN said in the first place? we all just got out of a game with clarity. you really think this is his town game? i don't On July 27 2015 06:31 rsoultin wrote: i'd rather hear scott's explanation first On July 27 2015 06:36 rsoultin wrote: good god gb >< he only had clarity at null/slight scum and said his vote was suspicious -_- then this, and he goes into clarity's filter and changes his mind? that doesn't seem so horrible? scott, what was townie about clarity when you said the post i quoted? On July 27 2015 06:46 rsoultin wrote: ummm why does him thinking clarity could be mafia mean he has to think tofu is town? i get the other way around but it's like you took this an extra step without thinking it through if he thinks clarity could be mafia then it doesn't matter who is trying to lynch clarity, and it doesn't mean he can't think that tofu is scum, too? it just means it doesn't make sense to pursue who is "scum" trying to switch the lynch to clarity? On July 27 2015 06:53 rsoultin wrote: tbh scott disappearing bothers me a lot more than his saying clar could be scum, too -_- this ctrl f shit is amazing -_- snickers, you are impossible to take seriously when you can't do something as simple as actually verify the accuracy of your own accusations before you make them. there is only one post in that entire thing that even suggests i was considering lynching scott, but most of it was actually defending him and arguing with gb? if i'd wanted to lynch scott i would have fucking put my vote there -_- i really, really want to ask you shit cause your judgment appears to be as thin as tissue paper and i want to look into things myself, but i'm not retarded -_- blah why is my read on gb wrong? why do people fundamentally disagree with the assessment that gb should know his own fucking teammates and it's a highly unnatural post to come from mafia/mafia to tell ft that he's not in this game? i think that's about as strong a reason to townread someone as it comes yet y'all keep griping about him how am i wrong?! | ||
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On July 29 2015 21:03 Onegu wrote: Hey Rsoul I might drop my scum read on you if you help me lynch BF. 38/80 convince me bf is scum? he was pretty nonsensical in gaiden so i'm not inclined to scumread him for the usual range of stupid lol >< i don't negotiate with terrorists xP you should townread me cause i'm town and it's fucking obvious | ||
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ye dude i'm town so none of this shit matters at all thank you for adjusting your accusation to actually match what happened though. kudos. reading's an amazing thing trying to get my scumread lynched = trying to get people to "unconsolidate" now kudos again. you're brilliant. so fucking brilliant. there are so many examples of how brilliant you are it just dazzles me, and post-game if what i think is the case is the case i hope you get reamed by every townie in this game for your "brilliance". not that it would make a difference yeah i haven't pushed anything today. also brilliant. go away. read the filter of one of your "top scumreads" like responsible townies do or get out of my fucking way. at least i'm not pushing obvious town with bs | ||
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oneg that isn't a case on bf lol >< | ||
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On July 29 2015 21:19 Snickers wrote: I need posts but its not cause im the cop. Nice try for the nk. I only got two posts left. let m e clarify some points above. TOWN RSOUL is paying attention to the votes and trying to make accurate reads from them day one. she was around for the voting so it is super fresh in her heard and super clear. BUT SHE DOESNT READ gb town until i point out how he was posting her only defense for putting him top town is one small sentence. Even though she did a big post in the middle of the night so yea peasant snickers need more posts maybe rsoul would be so kinda since she isnt using them for anything townie. also i find it hilarious that both gb and rsoul are the ones saying that a clarity lynch would tell us so much about this game. also read rayns filter it goes well into the whole rsoul problem. 41/80 yeah i lost track of the incorrect votecount whoopdeedoo. so scummy. my scummate was up for lynch and i somehow lost track of the fact that my vote being somewhere else was going to get him lynched you're making the assumption that my townread on gb, who i had been townreading PRIOR TO my large case post and PRIOR TO the flip, was based only on the one post i mentioned? this is what makes you so fucking "brilliant" you don't know what the fuck you're even talking about. you just spew nonsense without thinking | ||
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On July 29 2015 21:21 GlowingBear wrote: Nah, dear, he is right, you're very passive today. The funny thing tho is that Snickers is calling you Mafia for an argument I have brought against you. You see, I still think that, tone wise, you are Mafia. But when I objectively analyse your play, you're town. This struggle makes me postpone any further analysis of you today. I really want to get rid of scummy lurkers first. 42/80 he's not right at all and neither are you ^^ tone wise i'm not mafia because i'm not fucking mafia...you realize i've had town tunneling the shit out of me for the most RETARDED THINGS this game since practically the start of the game? and then you wonder why i'm frustrated? like seriously -_- i've been pushing hopeless/clarity i pushed palmar until i reevaluated there's nothing "passive" about my play; i just have more certainty in my townreads than my scumreads and until i know which hole the idiot is pulling his reads out of i'm gonna have to put clar aside so that just leaves hopeless regardless, if you fucktards are so determined to lynch town for things that would never make a player scum; here's your chance that exam i've been studying for is today. we have a lab directly after. i hope to be back before EoD but there are no guarantees. have a field day | ||
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scott may be scum cause he's still done nothing other than voted...palmar's "reaction test" be damned. the reservation on that is he could have thought it was real and this was an auto-lynch day but ye ksc has fallen off a lot which makes me wary of him -_- i still lean town on him but i'm not as sure as i was last night last comments in the event the retardation monster takes the thread hopeless is still scum i'll worry about the other and snickers' iq later toodles | ||
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lol scratch that >< i forgot that he was here when palmar unclaimed and just went straight to me. yeah. he may be scum. no caveat i swear hts purposely trolls me with her votecounts...she clearly already knows that i'm going to say something wrong before i say it! xP | ||
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-_- lol lynch hopeless, gb you may be right on palmar can't read the guy worth shit but my gut says town. i just...i dunnae. i don't agree with his reads as much as i'd like but the approach looks townie to me so i'm caught somewhere in the middle, a little closer to town than scum, on him scott/ksc is more a don't sleep on these people sorta comment than a LET'S LYNCH THEM TODAY!! sorta comment, you follow? | ||
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<3! you made me smile just now gb thank you lol ^^ ye, i get it. anywho, i'll try to be back before EoD but that kinda depends on the prof \o/ onward to victory i just suddenly cheered up at the thought that if we lynch hopeless and clarity doesn't vote, if i was right the game will be over and i don't have to deal with stupid anymore >> -crosses fingers- | ||
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lol at least prof cancelled lab wth are you people running around like chickens with your heads cut off? we have over 2 hours left before the lynch order of business: - hopeless claimed cop. if you are the real cop and you're not ccing him, you are wrong - scott could be gf but statistically the chances are higher he's town assuming hope isn't cc'd. off the table in a 2 hr crunch - slam needs to hard claim jailer/banisher if he is one. he's getting shot tonight if he's town and doesn't claim it anyway, and it removes the ridiculous ambiguity snickers started in the first place i am not lynching gb i'm not scum if slam doesn't hard claim, i'm sorely tempted to lynch him, but will consider leaving it another day for him to get caught up we need to discuss the lynch, be organized, and consolidate i'm thinking bf but it's more poe than anything. what does everyone got? | ||
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not at all -_- if all these claims are true apparently i was scumreading the games blues -_- and fail at life he's just way closer to null than most of the non-claimants and again, i am not voting gb i could be convinced on palmar but i still sorta think he's town | ||
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that's the problem...i'll look but some of this is going to have to be a gut response given the amount of time. i'm open to whatever cases/scumreads people have so long as they're not on my strong townreads...who are basically snickers and gb at this point @.@ | ||
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On July 30 2015 04:57 boxerfred wrote: scum has 1 kp and you say they kill the not-claimed jailor over the claimed cop? that's a highly scummy post, as the fact that you're not willing to vote GB this openly is. 50/80 protective roles are likely to get shot. it's simple logic. if he chooses not to that's his own prerogative i obviously can't force him, but not commenting on it is the best option for mafia in this situation because he can't be cc'd but people are still unlikely to lynch him if you can't see that, i don't know what to say and no, i'm not willing to vote gb | ||
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why does a protective role get lynched over a cop? because a protective role can interfere with kp and a cop can't it's that simple | ||
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On July 30 2015 05:20 Snickers wrote: If slam is the jailer and gb flips scum definitely jail Rsoul if a jailed mafia can't carry out a kill. 52/80 it would be a waste but i wouldn't mind being confirmed lol >< i seriously doubt gb flips scum, though. like i still think my read is baller | ||
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i think scum is between bf/scott/palmar/slam i'm really not sure on which of these 4 are mafia but i have decent reasons to townread everyone else | ||
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On July 30 2015 05:28 KelsierSC wrote: not me? you can say me and we can still be friends 54/80 eh...i'd lynch those before you. i liked your d1 and you still were the first one to pick up on ft and kept the lynch there so...eh | ||
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screw it lol >< i don't know that bf is mafia, but i'm pretty sure gb isn't ksc, can you tell me why my read is wrong? | ||
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On July 30 2015 05:32 KelsierSC wrote: i don't see how scott can be scum in this game he was pushed by FT was the 2nd wagon got cop checked green slam is also un cc'd of that 4 I say bf is the most likely scum but I have reasons for him to be town. 54/80 ye, i already said we're not lynching scott today and i'd only lynch slam if he says he's not a blue...and even still probably give him another phase so i'm at bf and palmar. eh i really just don't think snickers' thing means anything and slam's just riding the wave but we'll see | ||
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On July 30 2015 05:37 KelsierSC wrote: well when I went back and read D1 I basically had the exact same thoughts as the case bf made. He worked really hard to try and steer the lynch away from FT There was also this point where he asked me to read a case on he made, even though he was scum reading me which shows he isn't thinking. not a big mafia tell from him admittedly. Add in POE, get mafia He seems to have mafia sided very hard this game and I don't have anyone else I want to lynch. 57/80 eh, him being wrong isn't alignment indicative...palmar is right about that and him being all over the place is usually indicative of his town game? but really i'm referring to his reaction to firm tofu's first post in the game. i don't think that can come from mafia | ||
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On July 30 2015 05:43 boxerfred wrote: you said like 2 min ago that slam is dead next night. scott is as green as it gets. check by uncced cop, reactions to claims, voted by ft. leaves palmar and me. your reads are bullshit rsoul 58/80 you're way behind | ||
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yeah, if all the claims are true i'm really missing something...palmar i kinda think is town but could be wrong on. there were things about bf that made me think he could be town, but not as many things as with pretty much every other player i could also be wrong on ows but i have him in that second tier with you right now, so i really think slam isn't actually a blue but if he is and i'm just wrong, lynching him would be pretty bad meh, if you think bf could be scum with clarity isn't it more logical to lynch bf than slam? i dunnae -_- more to the point, i doubt we can even get a wagon on slam strong enough to compete with gb | ||
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lol i'm willing to yolo it, frankly, cause i can't see what snickers is seeing and even if it is true, slam doesn't make it through the night it was a pretty bad entrance and he seemed to be trying to avoid actually addressing what snickers was saying about him problem is the two of us can't lynch slam by ourselves and towns are notoriously allergic to lynching blue claims...even blue not-really-kinda-claims -_- | ||
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i think you read way to much into his posting, snickers, and you've now given slam something to run with if he's scum because you're bad enough to out this suspicion of yours which you should never have objectively done if that's what you really thought. i thought you were cop and suspected that because your action hadn't gone through and that's why you were so sure, but this...eh -_- there's no way in hell he already knew who he was going to "protect" that early >> and i think you're just being conceited, frankly. it's very possible that he was loling because you're kinda obnoxious but he was townreading you anyway | ||
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On July 30 2015 06:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Not feeling a slam lynch. Try again town. 62/80 vote bf then. unless you're scumreading gb...i'm not sure that bf is scum but he's more likely to flip scum than gb i'll vote palmar before gb, too, ftr | ||
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On July 30 2015 06:10 Palmar wrote: [b]##unvote ##vote rsoultin[b] Reasoning is mostly PoE. I don't want to lynch GB because he's been such an asshole. I have already at length discussed why I didn't want to lynch my strong townreads (scott and snickers) and the lurkers (onegu and slam). Hopeless is an unccd blue when we have none except the named townie so far so there is no reason to doubt it. This leaves Kelsier Boxer rsoultin OWS They all have good shots of being mafia. Boxer because I don't notice him (and I haven't had time to re-read him). Rsoultin because of her reaction to my fakeclaim (and rayn scumread her for some reason). OWS because he's been completely shit and useless throughout the game and just agrees with whatever the common sentiment is at that time (or at least I feel that way) and kelsier because he is somewhat lacking in effort and was way too annoyed at the beginning of the game. Kelsier is the one I'd first remove from the equation, the remaining three I will support a lynch on all of them with a slight preference for rsoultin and OWS over boxer mostly because I don't feel I have anything scummy actually on boxer. 63/80 bullshit bring a fucking case or consolidate on the player who will protect your townread. it's that fucking simple. your vote is doing nothing | ||
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On July 30 2015 06:10 Palmar wrote: also rsoultin still wants to lynch me even if she thinks I'm town. that's weird. 64/80 i keep saying i have a strong townread on gb and i'm kinda townreading you but i could be wrong on you. there's nothing weird about it and you're not stupid enough to think otherwise. is english failing you? | ||
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how many times have i been wrong on you? i'm more confident gb is town than you are. that simple. and this thing you keep pushing where i couldn't POSSIBLY think that gb is town despite your "red check" when i was already strong townreading him is pretty damn retarded, palmar, and i find it hard to believe that you actually think that -_- | ||
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On July 30 2015 06:21 KelsierSC wrote: come on grow some balls and vote slam, you know it's good. the only reason not to lynch him is snickers "logic" which is like playing chess with a monkey 66/80 lol ksc is town for this post alone >< god i <3 you sometimes ye i reviewed hopeless' reaction to palmar but he conveniently wasn't here until palmar had already unclaimed so...yeh disregard that | ||
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no, he just let it sit there unanswered ^^ | ||
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prefer bf to palmar, gb, so no | ||
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in b4 palmar doesn't consolidate cause pita | ||
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ye can we still lynch slam? the true yolo! \o/ | ||
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On July 30 2015 06:52 Palmar wrote: rsoultin~~~~~~~~ Although slam might well be scum. We just don't have any evidence one way or the other. 71/80 ye and i'm as town as it gets. it's not my fault you scrubs have retarded reasons for wanting to lynch me anyway, voting slam | ||
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On July 30 2015 06:53 GlowingBear wrote: Any YOLO will kill me. You should think twice before switching 72/80 will switch back if i have to calm down | ||
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FUCK YOU ALL! \o/ i'll find the third tomorrow, SUCK IT BITCHES!!! lol >< | ||
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okay, i'm done waffling strongest towns gb ksc palmar - just finished rereading his filter and i'm not lynching him this game...like he can continue saying i'm too awful to contest a red check as town if he wants, and accuse me of tmi...i'll just laugh at him and say see i'm a god xP but ye i don't see scum in his filter when i take it in aggregate strong towns: hopeless uncc'd cop scott town by scum pushing/green check maybe town? oneg - still kinda trust the meta read/claim but it's time for the step-up ows - i dunnae how to say it other than i think we're reading the same game off the same script and i don't think scum obi can pull that off. plus lynching scum ya know snickers - playing some weird combination of ballsy retarded scumgame if he's scum...not sure that's beyond him that leaves... bf so...ye i'll take a real close look through the bottom four, hopefully before EoN, but i'm coming out around the same place as gb and ksc...which honestly isn't that surprising lol >< my main concern tonight was palmar and to just make up my mind on him if i could. fortunately his posting this game made that easier than expected | ||
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On July 30 2015 03:07 Snickers wrote: lol slam comes into the game and im outting him as a role. ^ heh, maybe we just kill snickers after all. his "you guys suck for killing scum" is pretty bad, and it's clear he knew that not only had slam replaced, but that he'd replaced in for clarity before the lynch. so this "you just killed someone who would be modkilled" or whatever is pretty disingenuous (\o/ hf word!). also complete wrong reaction. whether he was wrong or not, he should at least be happy that scum is backed into a corner lol >< sidenote: bf's response made me think he could be town again :/, just as his responses near EoD had me asking if we could still kill slam lol >< last scum saying ye, cool, lynch me then catch scum, i'll answer questions first? could be a wifom play. kinda doubtful why snickers is likely the last scum... association, association, association - he mentions tofu a grand total of 8 times in that ridic long filter of his during the d1 lynch, most of those times in this post defending him, which is the first time he ever mentions a read on him at all. it's also reasoning that tofu later takes up to try to say he's town: On July 26 2015 21:33 Snickers wrote: like its prty obv tofu nor scott is mafia lol. one person said i dont like this one setence about tofu and now there is a tofu train about to depart. and scott is extremely towny. He seems like a new player and a new player isnt going to put out a list of reads and have it be all leans while they are mafia. so instead of going with the flow of mafia pushing into tofu and scott lynch boxer or at least comment about my case on boxer that somehow people are ignoring. - additionally, the wording here in his second post to tofu is pretty interesting. i don't know how to explain it, but it's almost like he's trying to throw bones to the guy in thread rather than get a read on him, and it's pretty different than his aggressive behavior toward pretty much all of the other players in thread @.@: On July 26 2015 03:21 Snickers wrote: firm tofu whats ur read on boxer? I think you could make a detailed read on him. - ends up voting bf instead of clar and afking. caveat: prob should have jumped on the scott train or ft's train, but he'd been defending scott pretty hard and leaving his vote on the other two scum, if he really couldn't be around for EoD, might have felt uncomfortable. dunnae. he left well before the lynch though. note to self: check where the votes were sitting when he left - clarity also never gets the "snickers" treatment d1...first semblance of a read that isn't really a read and he goes to bf not long after: On July 27 2015 05:08 Snickers wrote: im lynching clarity, almost out of posts and have to go to work. remember vigi shoot boxer. fyi i think the scott lynch would be beyond terrible. - "mentioned" 32 times in giant-ass filter, if you define "mention" loosely lol, because most of these mentions are in reference to reads on other people or others' reads on him...clar is dropped like a hot potato (though never really a strong scumread to begin with as far as i can tell) very early into d2 here: On July 28 2015 21:58 Snickers wrote: anyway im tired this is where i am at not looking at voting patterns in order of people to not lynch today first is clairty second is boxer third is scott (note: i really dont know how scott ended with so many votes i guess i should look into fi people consolidated on scott in order to not vote tofu and had good reasons) obi and onegu are prty town i will finish later. ^ little fun fact...these are all the people ft voted, so snickers' "voting analysis" consisted of lead scum wagon voting on other lead wagons to save himself. super shit tier reasoning alert. he doesn't even bother to evaluate who ft was actually pushing (scott) of the three, and puts him last - first suggestion clar could be blue comes well after that, and given that post it's clear it wasn't a "role read" that had him saying don't lynch clar, anyway: On July 29 2015 06:22 Snickers wrote: well considering you dont know why clarity is the worst lynch - this is just a super trash set of reasons for thinking clar is blue. some of the quoted posts don't even match what he's saying. from the perspective post-lynch, it looks like he possibly is just making all this shit up: + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2015 03:05 Snickers wrote: this whole post is important. very awkward buddying to me early in the game because he was already reading me town. vt or scum dont do this. he also commented about the onegu claim cause its important to him. heres another thing roles would say again more theres the snickers lol also his whole play day one was role play overall play - overly aggressive, shit poor reasoning, with a hyper-focus on minutiae and tinfoil hat sort of arguments <-don't think i need to provide examples for this, but the gb/rsoul scumteam where rsoul is gf theory is a prime example (that this behavior didn't extend to both clarity and firm tofu is especially damning) meta note - this is pretty different from his trolly play in mafia down under 2...i was thinking possibly he was just dicking around that game and this looks more like his reg town play (as i said before, i usually associate this level of aggression with town) but honestly even when he was trolling what he was pointing out was actually intelligent and it's why i had a townread on him through most of the game until my bad townread on scum!rit ended up putting snickers further and further down the poe TLDR - super aggressive, nonsensical playstyle all game that seems to skirt around clarity and ft - strong associations with both clarity and ft - different from the town game we played together (not as trolly, not as intelligent) - "blue" read on clar seems made up - reaction to clar lynch not like town who just needs to find one more scum...bf should be practically confirmed scum to him now; instead he's just angry - snickers is mafia! -drops mic- also went back through hopeless...he kept the scott check close to the vest but him coming in to vote clar/slam instead of just staying afk and letting the bf/gb lynch happen clears him in my eyes independent of the cop claim | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee496/JaeKar99/Tunnel.gif) 80/80 lol >< palmar, if you need evidence that i'm fully capable of evaluating claims on my feet as town, pushing mig despite his tracker claim in himalayas should be proof enough if your "reaction test" thingy is not the only reason you're scumreading me, can you please explain so i can address it? because i really want you to actually read my case. i think it's pretty good! it's kind of...bothersome...that your read on me is centered around "she's not good enough to do this as town". i didn't say your claim was fake. i was pretty sure it wasn't (or, at least, that you probably weren't scum fake-claiming there). i just thought my read was good xP regardless, would you please just pretend i'm the towniest town who ever towned in your eyes and actually read what i wrote on snickers? then if you want to go back to tunneling me, have at it. thanks @bf we can talk post-game, but for me it was mostly poe. not you being especially scummy, but just that i had reasons to be more confident in others being town | ||
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thanks for the posts nah, no worries. i've fooled too many people as scum to worry about "never lynch" status. i won't get lynched before i'm nkd...not concerned snickers 100% best lynch tomorrow never lynch ksc/gb either; don't expect hopeless to be around long enough for it to matter, but still not much incentive for him to fake-claim then come and lynch his scummate...if he's still alive can assume that last scum role is either gf or rb unless he's like around in lylo or something that's my two cents lol >< peace, folks! | ||
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eh, that was me. if we're right shortening the day phase, great. if we're wrong though, day phases go to 24 hours the rest of the game and that didn't seem ideal ^^ anywho you're assuming that slam checked the scum qt, oneg...snickers addressed enough posts to him about the blue claim that i'd consider that "telling him" if that's the main reason you don't want to lynch him also, what prevents scum from going against your claim? you don't play a very townie game. that's the only reason you can use your oneg rule after all lol >< early pointless named vt claim followed by no real effort yeah i could see scum pushing you easily? did you read my case? do you really think any of your protests are stronger than the evidence i brought? | ||
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i didn't read, my bad, but apparently it's not supposed to be talked about anyway regardless moving on! | ||
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i've been assuming 3 mafia...is it possible there are four? we have a flipped framer a flipped goon a flipped cop a claimed named vt framer is a bit weak against a cop because the stars have to align but framer + gf or especially rb against cop + named vt seems overbalanced toward mafia another blue hasn't claimed maybe? or a scum team of four? i dunnae. maybe this is out there lol >< | ||
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ye nvm miller could provide the cop hate. makes more sense than 4 scum lol >< ignore me | ||
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if you've got a defense or a push or a case, just talk, snickers? no one is stopping you | ||
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i'm not sure why you feel that way? i haven't been attacking you and i don't think anyone else really has, either? people saying someone's reasoning is bad is pretty standard for these games; we all deal with it why am i scum, snickers? | ||
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don't get the slam comment why didn't you think they were mafia? you weren't very clear on it beyond a wagon forming fast, which means practically nothing on d1 with so many more town than scum players ah...the pause in your sentence wasn't telegraphed and i assumed a typo given the three you were townreading above everyone else were the three ft voted what's extremely townie about scott's play? i can see you randomly decided boxer was confirmed town based on...something obscure lol >< his night post but not sure how you got to confirmed town based on that | ||
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snickers, you said he'd be modkilled, but you knew he wouldn't be modkilled. you knew that slam replaced clarity. your reaction to the lynch seemed very unnatural to me coming from a town player. why would you be upset that we'd lynched slam and he flipped scum? your posts read like they were angry, and frankly it was those posts more than anything that had me drop you to my lower tier and start looking through your filter. i didn't go in expecting to want to lynch you over bf...but i found a shit ton that changed my mind what was going through your head at the time of the lynch? eh...i don't really see new scum players being incapable of doing that...the strength of your read is kind of suspect ft wanting to lynch him so badly is really the best reason for reading scott town ye again, "confirmed town" seems strong for that, snickers. your townreads this game in general seem pretty strong for very arbitrary reasons? maybe you can try to explain them to me better? | ||
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what is the point of that question? as either alignment he's going to say yes lol >< | ||
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ye, whatever. if you can't answer something as simple as what you were thinking when you posted the posts that made me go filter-diving to begin with, i'm fine leaving my vote where it is if you're town and you're stonewalling this way, you should be ashamed. that's all i'm going to say on this topic | ||
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just find the mafia if you're town. best way to get townread. best way to help town that simple nah, getting angry at scum being lynched isn't townie, snickers. it simply isn't. i've played with you before; i'm not going into this blind. i liked you because your analysis (couched in trolling as it was) was actually interesting and even insightful, and i don't see that here. i thought hey, maybe this is how he normally plays and the trolling was weird? or hey, maybe since he's posting more openly i'm seeing all the not-so-good thoughts too? but they're just...bad. so many bad comments, reads, focusing in on things that mean nothing. i don't think after our last game together that you're this bad as town, in all honesty. it's a compliment, believe it or not, that i think this is your scum play but i'm not going to ignore you? if you post something on someone, i'll read it and not just go "lol, you're scum, die" cause i'd prefer to end the game this phase -_- ye? i don't think you can convince me that the things that bug me shouldn't bug me but you may be able to convince me someone else is more likely to flip scum | ||
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what exactly were you trying to get me to see in that link? it's pretty old and i'm not sure what i'm even supposed to be looking for @.@ | ||
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He's not the lynch. Onegu is playing to his town meta? If another blue claims then revisit. Palmar says both wagons are town but doesn't give enough of a shit to actually push his own scumread. He was against both scum lynches but still manages to always be on the right side of the vote. If both bf and snickers are town I think he's the best place.to look, frankly. | ||
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i kinda think bf is town but i'm not sure why people think snickers is town | ||
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On August 01 2015 11:22 Snickers wrote: This is the last time I am saying this but you guys do realize that clarity was most likely getting modkilled but instead of focusing on other shit you and rsoul wanted to lynch the afker/ person about to mod killed. Like I dont think you or rsoul did anything impressive day two and I dont like rsoul's play day one or today. You could of easily fucked up accidently almost killing ur self. It doesnt confirm you ... are you deliberately being obtuse? i wasn't pushing clarity before slam replaced him. ksc wanted to lynch him after slam replaced in for clarity. i thought bf was the more practical lynch, if only to give slam a chance to play, but still didn't believe the claim you made for him and he didn't even confirm bf's posts started looking more townie and i suggested we lynch slam. like, there is literally no reason for me to do that as scum. slam was never going to get modkilled there. that you keep saying this like it means anything is mind-boggling. clarity wasn't going to be lynched before the replacement. and you complain about reading comprehension? | ||
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gb you can kinda make a case for cause he was the alternate wagon but i have yet to see anything that makes me think he's scum this game you're the one with the tie-ins to both scum members. you're the one who continuously brings bad reasoning, accusations and logic into the game. if you're not scum this game, i'm sorry...maybe you should learn how to mafia. but i think you are and i think if we lynch you the game ends tomorrow | ||
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i still maintain that scum does not insist that the lynch be his active framer scummate over his inactive goon scummate and i think it's ridiculous that no one else can see this. this goes beyond simple complaints with his playstyle which is never like super glamorously townie btw and extends to what he actually did day 1 | ||
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On August 01 2015 12:15 rsoultin wrote: if ows is scum this game, kudos to him i still maintain that scum does not insist that the lynch be his active framer scummate over his inactive goon scummate and i think it's ridiculous that no one else can see this. this goes beyond simple complaints with his playstyle which is never like super glamorously townie btw and extends to what he actually did day 1 ^ anyone on ows is scum or retarded, or needs to explain to me why he ever does this as scum | ||
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complaining about me saying "retarded" after mafia down under II lol >< if we had a poll for most toxic players on tl it wouldn't be my name topping it, that's for sure and now you're voting scott -_- if you're town here you should still be trying to lynch scum not throwing fits. i told you that you could convince me someone else is more likely to flip scum, possibly. but you bring out what? an ows lynch? crap about clarity being "modkilled" again when he was replaced tell me how i'm supposed to think you're town this game, snickers lol >< | ||
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now who's scum? | ||
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wanting to consolidate on scum clarity and not consolidating on scum clarity means nothing wanting to consolidate on scum clarity and consolidating on scum clarity wouldn't even mean that much with firm tofu leading the votes | ||
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On August 01 2015 12:50 Snickers wrote: Like yea I listen to no one else nothing was fucking said day two until three hours before lynch except lets lynch the dude getting modkilled. Still nothing much was said this day.I am here ready to listen to you mafia pros. Enlighten me please again, nope you weren't reading you were freaking out like every time anyone mentioned clarity even though he was only leading the lynch like early day 2, if that. any time he was mentioned. whether people were voting for him or saying we should lynch him or not you clearly need to reread d2 | ||
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On August 01 2015 12:53 Snickers wrote: when i went on clairty i think there was three other people on clairty I cant fucking read filters but I am prty sure you were talking about how oh I woulda voted firm tofu if I saw what the votes looked like. Nice double standard i would have and it would mean nothing as i said it would mean nothing because he was getting lynched without me the only reason i'm untouchable (at least to those with brains) is being the catalyst for the shenanigans onto slam. that's why you scrubs can't keep arguing that i'm scum for things that don't make people scum ye just lynch snickers. i'm done. only way i'm not lynching him is if town goes batshit crazy and tries to lynch nearly confirmed town or something...or he actually convinces me someone else is more likely to be scum than he is he can just continue whining if that's what he wants to do | ||
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it's cool, palmar. you've been perfecting nothing since last night cycle. we won't even notice! kinda would like bf to talk some about where he's at though. know better than to expect something from palmar lol | ||
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On August 02 2015 02:14 Palmar wrote: it's weekend. don't try to pretend it means anything. i'm not? or i'd be screaming LYNCH PALMAR!! that doesn't change that you didn't do anything before the weekend, either, despite thinking both wagons were town -shrugs- | ||
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well that was bad. sorry guys | ||
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flipped miller+framer strongly suggests there's not further cop hate without a second blue role stronger than named vt...prob not a godfather in the game i've already said what bugs me about palmar. if he's alive end game you definitely don't sleep on him. but i don't see him voting slam over a town wagon as scum. is it beyond him? no. but it's not ideal scum play and his vote did save gb and lynched scum; it was the deciding vote ows is town for what i said earlier regarding pushing active framer over inactive goon and actively arguing to keep the lynch there d1 scott very unlikely to be the godfather, and was definitely pushed by scum gb is a toneread plus his early response to ft...i've said forever that his response to ft never comes from a scummate and was more realistic than snickers', and snickers' flip makes me more inclined to stick to that read @.@ onegu...this is just his town meta? granted it's easily replicable, but with no other claimed/flipped blues he's not someone to even look at i think ksc def town for the push on slam. no earthly reason to do that as scum. none ye poe has me back at bf poe has me looking into bf and he's like literally the only player who hasn't lynched scum this game. (no filters are a bitch so this is gonna be gut, sorry ><). we've got a final scum who needs 4 mislynches. if it's like...anyone but bf they're sitting pretty right now and won't be doing much to rock the boat (unfortunately that's most of the players in this game with the exception of gb pretty much) but bf, bf will be looking about broadening his options. doesn't want to clear gb. points fingers at ows. there may or may not have been a mention of scott (i think there was but ye filters -_- the other two for sure i'm remembering correctly). that is definitely playing to the wincon of a scum player who had not lynched scum up to that point and needs 3 lynches after this to win. he needs to keep options open instead of narrow them down like the rest of us. it's tonal but it's more scum mindset than town we know that clarity was calling for a vig shot on himself. i have yet to see any town player do this, btw. palmar and rayn are just fucking wrong on that count and gb is right lol >< we can reasonably believe that clarity does that because he doesn't believe there's an actual vig framer+goon+goon with a miller is balanced against cop+named vt scum probably did not have an rb which would make them assume there's no vig...that assumption got my first scum team killed but it's a natural assumption to make (jat, koshi and i are all smart people lol ><) and we definitely beat home the point post-game that it's hideously unbalanced to have a town vig without a scum rb. i doubt hts forgets that the point being if scum has no rb you can expect wifomy vig shoot me plays from scum. clarity is a prime example. bf just did it and he has to be even more sure since a vig didn't shoot the first two nights plus i know that clarity/hts were trying to explain bf's scum meta to me as more "reasonable". i'm not 100% on what it means, frankly, but i can definitely attest that his town game was pretty unreasonable and made me see red xP so ye i think he's the lynch, for small things, admittedly, but everyone else has more going for them in the town column - never on the right side of a vote - that horrible vig shoot me post - not being as unreasonable??? - camping out this last game...posts were to keep lynch options open but didn't give me the impression of actually narrowing down to one target, discussing who was actually scum, etc. so this "you must discuss!" thing he's on right now is eeeeeeh | ||
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On August 02 2015 22:00 disformation wrote: Yeah, I feel like something doesn't add up, but no option makes sense. lol >< we seem to have a lost boy in here | ||
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maybe. i really don't know him well enough to judge :/ i also don't know who is scum if he's not? like i don't have a strong scumread on him, but who else is scum? i mean, i know he didn't concede in his first game and that was part of what that whole sicklucker thing is about but i'd be lying if i said i followed that game at all or if it's even comparable to this one -_- | ||
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at some point you will explain this scumread on me and either way you're clearly not godlike lol >< | ||
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"i concede" "jk" boxerfred the mafia xxx has been lynched lolol >< | ||
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On August 03 2015 03:34 boxerfred wrote: stop pretending you don't know I'm town. I'm not believing you and ironically due to your post - I think you're the last scum. i've been very clear about what i think throughout this game. i think you're the most likely to flip scum of those still in the game, for all the reasons i've outlined pretending i don't know you're town? lol >< the only way i could possibly know you're town if you really are town would be if i were scum way to circular reason you play down the voting thing, you ignore the part about desperately trying to find scum anywhere but you instead of narrowing down your scumreads to one lynch. if you're town this game your contribution is null trying to find out if anyone but palmar would lynch me? palmar and onegu will, and maybe not oneg...can't really tell with him right now, though he'd jump at the chance most games just for lolz. look how helpful i'm being ^^ does that help you plan your nks? | ||
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i still think bf is the best shot for scum, though. there's probably no gf so that rules out scott palmar if bf flips town yup that should be game right there | ||
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On August 03 2015 07:00 Palmar wrote: no, none of my townreads are wrong. If you're not mafia it's either ksc or obi. I don't really care, it's you. not a chance in hell | ||
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the problem is...us both being alive this late does strongly suggest one of us is scum, or whoever is scum either doesn't know to kill us (too new) or is one hell of a ballsy player trying to pit us against each other i kinda want to lynch palmar just to remove the question mark. for me it's either him or bf | ||
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<3 ksc ;o; it's partially paranoia but palmar can't explain his presence in this game without me around. i think we can more or less agree on that, ye? | ||
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deal why are you scumreading me? | ||
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he didn't want to lynch either scum (firm tofu/clarity)...objectively if the lynch is between clarity and ft if scum busses, they buss clarity. plus ft would have died with or without palmar's vote...which actually makes his vote look more self-serving rather than less as for the clarity a.k.a. slam vote...palmar was townreading gb and protesting the slam vote, even though he'd been hard-pushing clarity d1. if he sits on his hands, gb flips town, and then we lynch slam later the likelihood that he will be lynched afterwards for not voting to protect his townread over flipped scum is very high. this means that at best his vote on slam d2 was nai skip ahead to d3. lots of protests that he thinks both wagons are town. he calls me scum and doesn't push me. promises to put work in and that work never happens. does he push ows either? no. he votes his top townread for the sake of what? consolidating? snickers was being lynched anyway. this makes no sense the nightkill: we have a ksc kill. why does bf kill ksc? ksc certainly wants to lynch bf, but he wasn't the only one. i am arguably louder and more persuasive and also wanted to lynch bf. the only scum reason to keep both palmar and myself around, then, is to get a wagon started on either palmar or me. in my case, it's unlikely to be enough for bf to escape the lynch. and as for palmar...i'd said i preferred a bf lynch so that's quite a gamble the moment i die palmar is going to have a hell of a time explaining why he's still around in this group of players. i can't be the night kill if he's scum. he can't really lynch me if he's scum, which would explain the lack of conviction and push d3 to actually really try to get his "scumread" lynched and ksc was never ever going to support a lynch on me, either palmar could easily be scum - not really wanting to kill the scum - doing nothing since d1 but halfheartedly "pushing" a townie - his votes are at best nai and even partly scummy - not willing to stick up for his townreads - the nk does implicate him i'm voting for palmar | ||
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On August 03 2015 08:34 Palmar wrote: also you lynched snickers yesterday, and I don't think you're a moron. Only morons people would vote for snickers. The rest of these guys are all morons. So either you're a moron or mafia. ez your scumread is very opportunistic, you know that? i'm too dumb to possibly doubt a red check on gb i'm too smart to make a mistake on snickers you're right, palmar. i'm not a moron. i'm not moronic enough to actually spark shenanigans on slam who otherwise was not going to be lynched, especially when i'd already shown a willingness to lynch bf that people were not going to question. i know how to play mafia. that's not how you play mafia we're both alive. i know i'm town. i really doubt there's anyone left in this game ballsy enough to keep us alive and hope we eat each other alive. the nk benefits you more than anyone except possibly ows/scott but the thing is, scott is very unlikely to be scum and ows actually pushed for firm tofu to be lynched over clarity which for some reason people are generally ignoring i don't think bf has the balls for this, frankly | ||
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^^ sure. town can just lynch me after your flip, right? taking one for the team? lol >< | ||
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so as long as we can get it down to three we're okay? i honestly don't see how anyone can be reading me scum this game but maybe i'm biased lol >< | ||
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the main point was if palmar is scum he's going to want to keep me alive for awhile, objectively. kind of running out of the town players who get killed early otherwise, and everyone gets twitchy the longer certain players are in the game his d3 is really what eats at me the most. i don't understand being that certain that both wagons are town and then doing nothing to try to divert the wagon. calling me scum and dropping a vote there just isn't...enough? he'd have to know that wouldn't get me lynched. i don't see the investment i'd expect i dunnae. gonna feel very dumb if i've diverted from scum twice -_- first with snickers, then with palmar. not sure why i keep doubting the bf scumread. i think it's mostly because it's just generally poe and weak? | ||
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half the other players here have nearly been lynched without ever claiming anything the likelihood that onegu isn't named vt is pretty small imo, and we can be fairly certain after 3 nights without a shot that there's no vig. he's being lazy and not playing but that's not really any different than most of the town games i've seen him play gb, hopeless died n2 after clarity/slam and ft were both dead. killing him actually makes it more likely that there's no gf or anything to interfere (rb) with the cop role, rather than less i'd argue that there's nothing balanced about named vt/cop against framer/miller (lots of cop hate) and any form of a second mafia role, but that's setup wifom mixed with personal opinion the fact of the matter is hopeless was shot and he wasn't really a great target unless his role was dangerous...or the move was specifically to deny information that would be given by shooting a more prominent player it's just so very unlikely that scott is scum? | ||
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assuming oneg isn't lying, ye. that was our scum team make-up in horn of africa, a framer and two goons, which was an hts-run game, and that game had a cop/2-shot vig (granted we did inform hts that this wasn't particularly balanced afterward, but with what we know or can assume of the current setup, it would work just fine) | ||
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that wasn't the main point, bf. but usually there aren't more than 2 blue roles in a game and i've seen nothing to indicate otherwise in this one surely you have more to contribute than a question that could be misconstrued (or properly construed?) as bluehunting -_- | ||
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are you reading at all? i made a case on palmar. care to comment on that? care to comment on your own scumreads? ksc has been reading me town practically all game cause he's not a moron, and i've been confirmed town to him ever since d2. if you think i'd nk him...i don't even know -_- but that's wifom and i don't generally use shit like that to defend myself you do realize that i'm about as confirmed town as ksc was? i find it mind-boggling that people would even consider that i'd start shenanigans on a partner when i could have just insisted on you instead since snickers was insisting he was blue and so few people seemed to want to lynch him | ||
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On August 03 2015 20:15 boxerfred wrote: are you guys saying you're all greens or what what is the purpose of this question, bf? | ||
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everyone in this game with the exception of onegu has been kinda clear on where they stand with multiple scumreads. you want to whine? at least read first | ||
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How certain are you on bf? I can kinda halfway buy this you'd try harder if you we're last but i'm not scum so what then | ||
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Prob should just lynch bf? I really am taking issue with some of his play these last two phases. The interaction this morning in particular was off | ||
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On August 04 2015 02:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: What exactly would you be expecting here from scum!Palmar? god i don't know ows -_- i really don't. i do think he'd try to win though? unless this is his version of trying to win lol >< you guys have no clue how often i'm wrong on palmar...i have no confidence in reading him whatsoever >< | ||
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On August 04 2015 03:33 boxerfred wrote: So. I say we are not lynching between rsoul, GB and Palmar. One vote was enough to get GB lynched so scum MUST be amonth the guys that did not vote Slam. Snickers is dead. That leaves me, scott, OWS, Onegu. Right? Right? Given that I am town (expect my voting apart from the train, there's no freaking way I'm scum. I dare you guys to point out any scum indicators that are not fabricated), we're down to OWS, Scott and/or Onegu. Scott got a lot of town things going for him. Onegu claimed and since then never gave a fuck about the game. So you guys have a "close-to-lylo" vote here. You can lynch me - I made a case on GB which admittedly I think is wrong by now, but hey, I put in effort. It's a decent case, not constructed at all, and I think people can easily go back to that post and analyize it. I even re-quoted my case. Also, if you guys remember, town snickers had the same thoughts at some point so it couldn't have been that wrong. Next up, Scott. I townread scott for reasons that were named already. I think I'm not alone with that read. Then, Onegu. Onegu claimed. Given that it seems reasonable that we have 2 blue roles only and no blue role did claim by now, I think his claim is legit and believable. Plus, he voted Tofu D1. That leaves it to OWS. What has OWS done in this game? I don't think too much. So here's my suggestion: lynch OWS. I'll place my vote on him. Also, if you see this: You see that OWS started with a vote on me - the guy who was the most likely lynch this day. Then, he wents on Palmar. On PALMAR! The guy that swung the vote on the scum, being the 5th guy to hammer scum, being the deciding vote. He could've hammered GB. Easily. So, guys, please lynch OWS and the game is most likely to end IMHO. ... it is so obvious you're not reading it's painful. at the same time, you didn't read last game either, so i don't know where that leaves me -_- i wrote the case on palmar. read it. stop saying ows is scum for voting on palmar (what about me and gb) or onegu voted tofu (what about ows?) like...seriously -_- | ||
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point 1: he pushed clarity over ft, which is the right move as scum with both your mafia partners are being pushed point 2: not voting for slam there when he'd been hard-defending gb would have gotten him lynched if he was scum point 3: he didn't try to push anything d3 despite whining about how both the wagons were town ^ note point 2 which blows your read out of the water and it's clear you either didn't read or didn't understand i'm not sure he's scum but he's definitely not cleared by that one vote on the contrary, ows pushing ft over afk clarity is almost enough to completely clear him. i won't even consider a lynch on him before lylo unless you pull some magic out your ass i haven't considered yet | ||
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On August 04 2015 04:05 boxerfred wrote: Nah I do understand it but I used it incorrectly. It's constructed although not fabricated in terms of "made up because you're scum". I feel like you're trying to make reality match your thoughts. You're thinking in a very complicated way. I do not think that the game is that complicated tbh, sometimes it's the easy things. Given that Palmar is your top scum read, would you mind lynching OWS and if he flips town, Palmar? no i will not lynch ows ows lynched active scummate ft framer over inactive scummate clarity goon he is not scum -_- i will lynch you or palmar. if you have a case, bring it. you'd need a really strong case to get me to lynch ows though because it would have to outweigh when i just said | ||
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i'm hoping that's accompanied by something other than simply not playing the rest of the game? | ||
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i know i can be wrong palmar...i'm quite good at that, actually. if you could explain why you're so certain bf is town and ows is scum maybe i'll get it...i'd like to think i'm not retarded. but really i don't know what you plan to accomplish this way lol >< | ||
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two mislynches left before lylo for the stupid, that means 3 chances to hit scum. and you want to dick around with lynching me because of palmar? unless you actually believe i'm scum, gb, pull your head out your ass. respectfully -_- | ||
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i'm sick of this game. let's just prove palmar's multiple day phase long tunnel is wrong as hell, shall we? | ||
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someone give me a random scrub to vote for so you can remove me from this game. it's like i'm the only one who has really been playing it for the last week anyway you guys can make do on your own for the next several phases good players my ass | ||
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i prefer a bf scum where he flips red in a couple hours, the game is over, and palmar the moron can tell palmar that palmar is a moron ^^ that would really make my day getting lynched wouldn't be the worst alternative though...day still ends for me in 2 hours. it's almost better even, cause you scrubs have to keep playing xP | ||
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they basically amounted to taking absolutely no responsibility for yourself at all oh if palmar is right we sheep palmar and if he's wrong we lynch him and if he was town and wrong he was just bad man up and grow some balls already. palmar and i can't be scum together. if bf doesn't do it for you, pick the one you think is most likely to flip scum and stop hiding behind palmar's skirts | ||
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all i can gather is he must think my "overreaction" to retards constantly wanting to lynch me for shit reasons is somehow alignment indicative. newsflash: it's not. i'd do this as town or scum i can't stand stupidity -_- i fucking started the shenanigans on slam. i've been the only one really trying for a week. if that's not enough to play without idiots tunneling me or voting me for shit reasons, lynch me already. i don't need to put the work in or care about this game if y'all can't be assed to just USE your fucking brains for two seconds | ||
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On August 05 2015 05:53 GlowingBear wrote: Obi, I've said that throghout the whole game Why are you so annoyed that I am willing to lynch you? Will the game end if that happens? lol you wish idiot | ||
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On August 05 2015 05:54 Palmar wrote: I read some early day 1. The lack of filters suck. For endgame. No one can call me bad this game, I hammered two mafia. Even if I'm wrong on the last one I'm still best player. I also think it's unlikely but possible it's boxerfred I think it's most likely it's either rsoultin or OWS I am going to vote OWS today, mostly because it's the good lynch that has a better chance of taking off. yeah you're not watching the votecount you should lynch me <3 <3 <3 please. just do it. show everyone how shit you are i'd love it ^^ | ||
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you've been reading d1 right? i can't pull the specific post but there was a point where i think i was trying to get ows to vote clarity with me and he said no, he preferred ft because it gave more info i don't think he does that as scum. i've felt strongly enough about it to hard-defend him for ages also, it's obi? like, he's not really known for being super active or posting much more than one-liners? i kinda just read him by if what he's saying i can follow...i think he's a pretty intelligent player, personally | ||
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i kinda hate you right now -_- you really upset me with your "reaction test", if that's actually what it was lol >< | ||
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also, bf confirmed not reading \o/ | ||
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lol yes palmar that's the one ^^ | ||
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that doesn't mean you've done anything particularly scummy, so much as everyone else i have good reasons to townread...or at least better reasons to townread | ||
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so we have a problem i have a collection of townreads and a scum to find, and i'm more inclined to trust the strength of the reads based on behavior over claims/role actions y'all aren't going to like me for bringing this up, but i think we may have to seriously consider scott independent of the green check and take into account that ft may have bussed a scummate for the wifom if nothing else is true, it's certainly true that scott's investment in this game after getting "confirmed" has been practically nill onegu's as well, but the difference is onegu's claim will eventually come to kick him in the ass if he's scum (making it even more unlikely for him to make it) and he's not exactly known for investment even as town -_- eh i'll consider palmar, gb, and ows but only if someone has something i'm missing, something powerful, that makes them scum? that's where i'm at before the reread i may or may not get to before EoN. with palmar it's tonal and i'm def not 100% on it but at some point i just have to...stop...waffling back and forth on the what-ifs | ||
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he wasn't getting lynched over bf at the time, so only 1. mislynch bf and look better for not being on another mislynch 2. mislynch someone else i fail to see how his read change benefited him as scum? | ||
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no eh, i'm not gonna defend palmar. he's capable of defending himself. if he really was rereading the game which he seems to have been, though, then that's not an instantaneous thing, gb. at the very least he'd have to skim for that quote from ows -shrugs- like, you say it's a reaction test and he suddenly felt the need to do something...what stops him from just lynching me if he's scum? why is mislynching bf better for him than mislynching me? i don't really get it | ||
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only way scott is scum is if he's gf or cop goofed bad too many townreads though @.@ i'm missing something | ||
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99%...that has to be more than just the cop check then? can you explain your read to me, palmar? and that doesn't really help the who is scum problem -_- also...just saying, kinda one of the most active scum players on the site...pretty sure that isn't a great way to read me lol >< kinda got a wild theory but i can't test it yet :/ | ||
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yeah, obi. bf was getting lynched he could be right and not vote bf or wrong and vote bf what's the incentive for scum to vote bf there? i'm not saying it clears him. i'm just saying i don't see what's so scummy about it. there's no perceptible benefit from changing his read there while theoretically he could have kept up his "i'm awesome y'all are wrong lynch rsoul" bit interminably | ||
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On August 05 2015 22:08 Palmar wrote: 1) alternative wagon to 2 scum on day 1 (me and rsoul wanted to kill clarity, rayn and a few others wanted to kill FT). 2) Reacted like he had nailed GB. He looked like he genuinely believed my check 3) checked green by a cop. Yeah no, he should be the last person lynched this game. I wish we had filters because I'm much more motivated to go back and read GB again. While GB's attitude feels more likely to come from town, he has an exceptionally awful reads record this game. He has basically been tunneling me since day 2 while still agreeing to lynch other people a bunch in the meantime. He wanted to kill scott on day 1 too I think. I can't remember which side of the day 2 wagon he was on. ye that's the problem to assume scott is scum you'd have to like 1. believe that we had all 3 scum pegged d1, which is pretty unusual 2. believe that he's gf over the much more likely chance he's town, especially considering hope got off only one check it's possible but pretty out there and i'm aware of it. i really want to know if there's anything more to the townreads other than the probabilities lol >< nh, i dunnae, palmar. i don't know how good your reaction test even is? it "caught" a townie, plus any good player is probably going to want to see if there's a cc or something. i see no reason why scum wouldn't just jump on a fake red check for the easy ml | ||
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i've got like 9 left blasted overachievers anyway, chem final...i'll try for that reread lol but i may just >> not celebrate! \o/ | ||
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might embolden an oneg but i think it was pretty early when he claimed? that just gets solved tomorrow really...if there are any blues who haven't claimed, they claim the day phase before lylo. easy aren't too many candidates left for that though given how many players have been nearly lynched this game | ||
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so if y'all have something you want to discuss, holla otherwise i'll have something hopefully not too shitty/lazy before EoN cause i'm awesome that way yup | ||
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possibly gb but that's kinda doubtful given the d2 vote (by slam, lol ><) and my overall toneread on him think it's time for scott and oneg to stop coasting, frankly ^^ everyone else looks fairly townie in gen mostly scott | ||
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i may or may not be possibly leveraging awesomeness from elsewhere to apply to my issue this game don't sleep on scott #famouslastwords? | ||
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palmar wasn't really pushing anyone that hard i think it's more telling that onegu/scott still haven't been killed...how much you want to bet scum is in there somewhere. my bet's on scott personally | ||
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On August 06 2015 09:01 GlowingBear wrote: I have no other reason other than you seemed like you were preparing this night kill. It's kinda dumb to shoot palmar. It's kinda bizarre that you kept throwing suspicions at both scott and Onegu instead of simply calling them town and letting scum shoot one of them instead of fucking palmar or and this is a really amazing thought here scum actually is between scott and oneg badumdumdum me and my devious transparent ways (ftr i actually thought it was likely to be you or me if scum was between scott and oneg...but here's another fun thing to consider...the moment palmar starts townreading me...he dies? ksc when he's townreading me...dies? i just must be a masochist this game, according to your logic) | ||
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and i'm like, fully aware how difficult doing that is likely to be and i'm likely to get mislynched in the process cause you know green check and shit but...i dunnae i kinda think everyone else is town? like, i need to reread the lynch around ft to see if oneg really had much of a choice, but i know i don't want to lynch gb/ows so...ye | ||
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On August 05 2015 10:33 rsoultin wrote: ye so we have a problem i have a collection of townreads and a scum to find, and i'm more inclined to trust the strength of the reads based on behavior over claims/role actions y'all aren't going to like me for bringing this up, but i think we may have to seriously consider scott independent of the green check and take into account that ft may have bussed a scummate for the wifom if nothing else is true, it's certainly true that scott's investment in this game after getting "confirmed" has been practically nill onegu's as well, but the difference is onegu's claim will eventually come to kick him in the ass if he's scum (making it even more unlikely for him to make it) and he's not exactly known for investment even as town -_- eh i'll consider palmar, gb, and ows but only if someone has something i'm missing, something powerful, that makes them scum? that's where i'm at before the reread i may or may not get to before EoN. with palmar it's tonal and i'm def not 100% on it but at some point i just have to...stop...waffling back and forth on the what-ifs this was my first post of real content immediately following the lynch, gb you say i haven't "scumhunt"? like, are you serious? i wrote the case on snickers everyone sheeped i wrote the case on palmar and yes i wrote a case on bf as well what's more relevant than any of that is when bf started posting things that made me doubt he was scum d2, i'm the one who said, can we still lynch slam? i started the shenanigans on scum if you're town, gb, and i think you are, you know that i could have left the wagon between two town mislynches and my "scum partner" would not have been lynched. you know that you know that i saved both your asses to lynch scum. you can call this wifom if you want, but i am too fucking smart to sit here and instigate a lynch on my last partner when town isn't lynching him anyway. and fuck anyone who thinks otherwise because you're completely insulting my intelligence to even suggest it -_- i've been the most active scumhunter this entire game i lynched scum y'all want to lynch me anyway? okay. be awful. you want to know what pissed me off so much? i've been working my ass off to try to figure out and win this game while most of the rest of y'all laze about, and you guys still want to lynch me for it? it's frustrating and insulting. you. insulted. me. i thought you were town for the first reason i thought you were town, and that was your reaction to ft. i don't think you tell him he's not in the game after his first post if you're sharing a qt together, and ye, since then you've done other things. but if you think the only way i read you is by how you vote? how many fucking times are you going to insult my intelligence this game? i mean, honestly...i caught your smurf not by your votes but by your filter, genius. i don't need something that superficial to make reads or be confident of them and i mentioned this thing about scott before! it's not new! no, i don't think you or obi are scum. and yes, i could go the fucking easy way out and say let's lynch oneg, knowing that people would be more open to it and even if i'm wrong at least i won't get mislynched in lylo by the tard but i didn't because i honestly think the reason this game is so hard, and the reason my poe scumreads keep being town, is that we're giving someone a free pass and have been most of the game which players meet those criteria? onegu and scott if you remove the claim and the green check and look at their actual play, i know that onegu can play this way as town scott doesn't have that luxury this is why i want to lynch scott. i know it's low percentage and i get it, but it's not wifom. it's the opposite of wifom. it's fucking looking at the info available and saying something doesn't fit. why doesn't it fit? | ||
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and damn it, gb you are saying that me and my supposedly "smart" self as scum isn't getting rid of practically "confirmed" town because i'd rather push their mislynches in an uphill battle and instead kill ksc - hard townreading me until eternity because he's not a moron and knows what it means when i start shenanigans on slam and palmar - who just started townreading me and we just started trying to figure out the game together why the fuck would i kill my support base and try to go after "confirmed" town just for the challenge? i think scott is scum. he's done nothing all game. his reads aren't explained/don't make sense. he doesn't care about this game. yeah he has a green check do what y'all want but when i flip town, know how blindingly stupid you all are being i only partly forgive you because i realize that if i'm right and scott is scum he got a free ride from our cop but only partly it doesn't make it any less moronic for y'all to try to kill me over other players this game | ||
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i'm fully capable of changing my mind. did it on palmar. there's nothing preventing me from doing it now as town or scum but ye i want to lynch scott. could i be wrong on like ows/oneg ye, i could i don't think i am? i'm really gambling anyway here, cause i know that if oneg's scum...or even if he's town and it's you or ows i'm wrong on...i'm probably getting lynched in lylo | ||
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ows i'd imagine is either scum or a viable ml so him being around makes sense...palmar and ksc were much less likely to get lynched. regardless it's not terribly relevant at this point | ||
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who your townreads and scumreads are and why. in detail i know that you probably have already mentioned these things a million times, but indulge me cause no filters? thanks! | ||
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i'm telling you it's prob oneg or scott and my bet's on scott even though the probability is really against me | ||
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none absolutely none he's a greenchecked "townie" who hasn't done jack shit since that came out. he doesn't care who is mafia. if he's town, he should be trying to win the game by lynching scum. if he's mafia, though, sitting with his thumb up his ass like he's been doing while people lynch everyone else is exactly what he needs to do to win, and no more review the night kills: n1 - rayn <- obv nk n2 - hopeless <- contested cop. could just be scum didn't want to risk being redchecked, or it could be killing cop cleared scott as "town" n3 - ksc <- what? he's unlynchable in the same way that i should be, but he was pushing town. what's going on with this kill? n4 - palmar <- actually beginning to play what did scott say n3? that if oneg or i didn't die he'd think we were scum? i know i'm town, so that looks like a setup to me. in fact, paranoid rsoul thinks that the nks going the way they have is a setup in general...the people who had my back are gone i'm inclined to trust myself on my townreads. maybe that's stupid of me, but there's not much else i can do | ||
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like a real reason please | ||
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will be going back through instead of trying to remember what folks said ^^ | ||
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off the top of my head i don't think the timeline worked out like that (pretty sure he could have saved ft by voting scott anyway) but i'll look into it before the lynch | ||
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pretty unlikely oneg is scum, imo. he was more than ballsy enough to save his scum partners last scum game i saw from him, and as i said, his play this game is more in line with his town than his scum meta | ||
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it wouldn't have saved ft and would have implicated oneg in the process. scott was a viable alternative, though | ||
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granted if ft gets lynched later there's something of a domino effect most likely but at the same time it's probably worth it to get off a ml and keep the framer around for at least one more day phase | ||
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On July 26 2015 07:13 scott31337 wrote: Scotty's shitty spreadsheet at the moment - 1 KelsierSC null - questioned me on the VT claim, but it felt weird how he did it. 2 FirmTofu null/scumlean - little posting, nothing sticks out. 3 Onegu named town no CC, going after rsolutin for being angry too early, but she doesn't seem that angry (scummy angry) YET. 4 Snickers others like him but I don't see why? (notably Clarity, rsoul) Calls me mafia - suspicious 5 raynpelikoneet Started off good but has faided, slight town lean 6 Clarity_nl null / slight scum? Wants to lynch me 7 boxerfred Nothing special, six posts of meh - scumlean 8 ObiWanShinobi Didn't see scum motivation from his post to me - little posting - null 9 rsoultin Slight townlean, not too angry - keep an eye to see if she does the magic trick if not just lynch D4. 10 GlowingBear second part d1 looking better, not too angry either - asking townie questions - townlean 11 Palmar townlean for a Palmar d1 day. 12 scott31337 town 13 Hopeless1der scumlean, first post was bad - but suspicious/scummy voters on him so need to watch for that. this is very curious if you look through all the others scott has both flipped mafia as null/scumlean...and no one else falls in that category. i see nulls (ows, ksc) and scumleans (hopeless, bf)...pretty coincidental that he has both mafia as null/scumlean...which if scott were mafia allows him to vote bf, hopeless believably...they're not null!! but also transition to both scum partners if he has to plus, his oddly specific "magic trick, lynch d4" thing on me...he starts out with a townread and never says why he backs down on it i've never seen this "magic trick" thing from him before | ||
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On July 27 2015 14:30 rsoultin wrote: 80/80 okay, this is literally my last post of the cycle :/ i'm really bad at this post management thing never lynch rayn (yeah i know that people prob wouldn't anyway but whatever). he started the ft train and pushed the hell out of it awfully early...even if i wasn't already townreading him, i don't see him bussing an active scummate like this d1...he's a busser but not in this situation lol >< ksc is nearly as strong a townread. he actually started the pressure on tofu before rayn did, first by calling him out on the palmar push and then in this post when rayn was still focused on scott: stupid but wondrously awesome reason at the same time to townread GB, on top of him just acting like his normal townie self (with all the positives and negatives that this entails): ^ seriously doubt GB wifoms this in anticipation of FT's flip...and since the replace was before the game, yeah. no shared QT alert yeah this snickers read is similar lol >< now, snickers was being kinda crazy around the lynch, granted, but i highly doubt he comes in with this post where he assumed that FT had c/pd his role pm if he were scum. it would have to be coordinated and ye...plus, already townreading him anyway for that paranoid schizo thing i mentioned earlier: ^obviously if snickers knows that FT isn't VT that's not going to be his reaction, unless he's being especially clever (more possible than with GB since the train was pretty strong at this point, but i still doubt it) moving on to the next tier... onegu prob town for the claim (snickers is just wrong on this push) and ye, the meta of like just a few reads tunneled into the ground is holding up -_- annoying bugger xP plus another player early on the wagon ows i looked particularly close at cause i think his comment on clarity being an objectively bad cop check was shit...but yeah he was really strong on the ft lynch as well and noticed something interesting about clarity/ft associations that i'll be pointing out below scott...this one i can't qualify so well, but of all the people ft pushed (and he did push several) i feel like scott was the one he pushed the strongest as a counterlynch to himself even before the wagons were down to just these two. i also just feel that his posting seems pretty natural this game and the reasons people are calling him scum are all pretty bad as for palmar...eh i guess i can see him protecting a scumbuddy who did nothing but buss/tunnel him for the beginning of the game, but i don't find it terribly likely. that's an awful lot of interaction/defending and i don't think palmar is that bad? if anyone can fool me it's him, though. his reads early game seemed pretty natural and lined up with mine pretty well though so ye bf - so...i was actually tempted to put him in null, but tbh i kind of like how his ksc/gb reads kept changing with new information (and it's really the only reason i have him here instead of there, apart from a i just like people reading clarity scum gutfeel that i'm trying to ignore with both him and palmar, only partially successfully) Null hopeless - pretty nothing filter and wanted a scott lynch, though there was a little bit of half-decent comments on onegu i guess Clarity is mafia apart from what i've already said about him, there are these two glorious interactions: So here's my problem with this post. I've got reasons to townread (i didn't expect it to work out this way, but it did, lol ><) pretty much everyone in the game but hopeless and clarity. Here we have clarity "championing" the hopeless wagon and pressuring me in a very incongruous way towards it (incongruous in the sense that he appeared to and still appears to have no real read on hopeless beyond a weak parroting of rayn, instead spending most of his post talking about scott...but oh, scum ft is lynchbait and he'd still lynch hopeless? for being on hopeless and trying to get me to commit, he sure didn't push hard for that lynch) secondly, we have what obi noted, namely that ft drops clarity's name practically out of the blue when clarity is the other main wagon as being a good lynch without any reasoning. if you look through ft's filter, even though he made it clear he'd lynch clarity, he never actually tried to push him and instead directed more attention to scott/ksc, only voting clarity to save himself i have another reason that unfortunately i can't really discuss that makes me pretty positive that clarity is mafia, but if these associations, and the clear lack of wanting to push each other are not enough, there's also the simple fact that clarity is doing absolutely nothing to attempt to find scum when i know that he is a much better player than this. even with limited time he should have been able to come up with more than he did instead of voting a player he didn't even bother to really talk about, question or push TLDR Strong Townreads Rayn KSC GB Snickers Townreads Onegu OWS Scott Townleans Palmar BF Null Hopeless Lynch it with fire! Clarity ...so ye, i wouldn't be surprised if i'm actually townreading one of the scum cause that's a shit ton more townreads than i expected, but i'd be so happy if i were right lol >< cause that means this is gonna be one hell of an easy game for town -crosses fingers- post-game cred: ft/clarity/hopeless (can she get the entire scumteam first two games in a row, boys? xP) eh, reviewing what we got from the lynch, i actually understand why people are so adamant on scumreading me it's wifomy but i really would have to be retarded not to either jump on the ft lynch or try to get scott lynched instead of just sitting there, so if y'all believe i did that, well... -_- i'll try not to take too much offense at it without a framer, feel free to cop check me if that helps, then let's lynch clarity! \o/ you even responded to this one? i find it rather hard to believe you actually believe this, scott. seems like you're making things up | ||
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On July 27 2015 14:58 scott31337 wrote: Give 5 posts to Rsoultin So Clairty and Hopeless are your two mafia, is that correct? What about Boxerfred? No mention of him in your post. ??? so you didn't see my "epitaph"? lolol >< | ||
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do you want to try again on your "magic trick"? On July 30 2015 13:16 rsoultin wrote: 77/80 okay, i'm done waffling strongest towns gb ksc palmar - just finished rereading his filter and i'm not lynching him this game...like he can continue saying i'm too awful to contest a red check as town if he wants, and accuse me of tmi...i'll just laugh at him and say see i'm a god xP but ye i don't see scum in his filter when i take it in aggregate strong towns: hopeless uncc'd cop scott town by scum pushing/green check maybe town? oneg - still kinda trust the meta read/claim but it's time for the step-up ows - i dunnae how to say it other than i think we're reading the same game off the same script and i don't think scum obi can pull that off. plus lynching scum ya know snickers - playing some weird combination of ballsy retarded scumgame if he's scum...not sure that's beyond him that leaves... bf so...ye i'll take a real close look through the bottom four, hopefully before EoN, but i'm coming out around the same place as gb and ksc...which honestly isn't that surprising lol >< my main concern tonight was palmar and to just make up my mind on him if i could. fortunately his posting this game made that easier than expected On August 05 2015 10:33 rsoultin wrote: ye so we have a problem i have a collection of townreads and a scum to find, and i'm more inclined to trust the strength of the reads based on behavior over claims/role actions y'all aren't going to like me for bringing this up, but i think we may have to seriously consider scott independent of the green check and take into account that ft may have bussed a scummate for the wifom if nothing else is true, it's certainly true that scott's investment in this game after getting "confirmed" has been practically nill onegu's as well, but the difference is onegu's claim will eventually come to kick him in the ass if he's scum (making it even more unlikely for him to make it) and he's not exactly known for investment even as town -_- eh i'll consider palmar, gb, and ows but only if someone has something i'm missing, something powerful, that makes them scum? that's where i'm at before the reread i may or may not get to before EoN. with palmar it's tonal and i'm def not 100% on it but at some point i just have to...stop...waffling back and forth on the what-ifs On August 02 2015 22:30 rsoultin wrote: notes: flipped miller+framer strongly suggests there's not further cop hate without a second blue role stronger than named vt...prob not a godfather in the game i've already said what bugs me about palmar. if he's alive end game you definitely don't sleep on him. but i don't see him voting slam over a town wagon as scum. is it beyond him? no. but it's not ideal scum play and his vote did save gb and lynched scum; it was the deciding vote ows is town for what i said earlier regarding pushing active framer over inactive goon and actively arguing to keep the lynch there d1 scott very unlikely to be the godfather, and was definitely pushed by scum gb is a toneread plus his early response to ft...i've said forever that his response to ft never comes from a scummate and was more realistic than snickers', and snickers' flip makes me more inclined to stick to that read @.@ onegu...this is just his town meta? granted it's easily replicable, but with no other claimed/flipped blues he's not someone to even look at i think ksc def town for the push on slam. no earthly reason to do that as scum. none ye poe has me back at bf poe has me looking into bf and he's like literally the only player who hasn't lynched scum this game. (no filters are a bitch so this is gonna be gut, sorry ><). we've got a final scum who needs 4 mislynches. if it's like...anyone but bf they're sitting pretty right now and won't be doing much to rock the boat (unfortunately that's most of the players in this game with the exception of gb pretty much) but bf, bf will be looking about broadening his options. doesn't want to clear gb. points fingers at ows. there may or may not have been a mention of scott (i think there was but ye filters -_- the other two for sure i'm remembering correctly). that is definitely playing to the wincon of a scum player who had not lynched scum up to that point and needs 3 lynches after this to win. he needs to keep options open instead of narrow them down like the rest of us. it's tonal but it's more scum mindset than town we know that clarity was calling for a vig shot on himself. i have yet to see any town player do this, btw. palmar and rayn are just fucking wrong on that count and gb is right lol >< we can reasonably believe that clarity does that because he doesn't believe there's an actual vig framer+goon+goon with a miller is balanced against cop+named vt scum probably did not have an rb which would make them assume there's no vig...that assumption got my first scum team killed but it's a natural assumption to make (jat, koshi and i are all smart people lol ><) and we definitely beat home the point post-game that it's hideously unbalanced to have a town vig without a scum rb. i doubt hts forgets that the point being if scum has no rb you can expect wifomy vig shoot me plays from scum. clarity is a prime example. bf just did it and he has to be even more sure since a vig didn't shoot the first two nights plus i know that clarity/hts were trying to explain bf's scum meta to me as more "reasonable". i'm not 100% on what it means, frankly, but i can definitely attest that his town game was pretty unreasonable and made me see red xP so ye i think he's the lynch, for small things, admittedly, but everyone else has more going for them in the town column - never on the right side of a vote - that horrible vig shoot me post - not being as unreasonable??? - camping out this last game...posts were to keep lynch options open but didn't give me the impression of actually narrowing down to one target, discussing who was actually scum, etc. so this "you must discuss!" thing he's on right now is eeeeeeh | ||
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On August 07 2015 16:38 GlowingBear wrote: Yeah, obi is town. He decided to keep his vote on tofu when clarity was clearly a comfortable lynch for mafia >> i've only been saying this most of the game it's okay you and palmar can come way late to the party lol >< | ||
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he actually said it before when he first voted ft, which was pretty early in the day and makes it somewhat better it's all just not outside his wheelhouse, is my thing your post did make me doubt and want to look into them both some more...though i do agree with gb that oneg is bold enough to vote scott over ft and save a scummate, especially as "confirmed" town. like, he can't really "prove" his claim as he did with the vig claim, but it still gives him leeway while no other blues claim | ||
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if anyone is still holding back a blue claim in mylo you're wrong -_- (i don't think this is the case, but it needed to be said) a look at clarity's posting saying that ft shouldn't be lynched and should be shot instead actually makes me think that scum didn't have an rb though and assumed no vig as a result regarding scott, i'm looking back through gaiden, because admittedly scott is a low volume player as it is, and trying to see if i'm wrong or maybe it'll help me put a finger on just what has me feeling that his play this game just doesn't feel right admittedly, he did just come from gaiden where breshke mentioned my lack of legacies as a scumtell (which is actually true, though it's kinda like emoticons; i tend to remember to do it to keep up appearances the majority of the time, so using that as a benchmark to read me town is really bad, but not necessarily scum) he was dead by the time bresh brought it up though, i'm pretty sure, and if he was looking for it to determine my alignment all game, it's a bit confounding that he didn't see them and is trying to push that now also the d4 thing...that doesn't line up with legacy posting anyway. i typically do it every night phase because 1. i'm just that conceited/paranoid and 2. i actually usually use night phases to review the information from a fresh viewpoint, evaluate posting around the lynches, and see if there's anything that challenges my reads from the prior day phase. it's become a tool for me, as well not sure why he'd pick d4 specifically in essence, the read seems contrived | ||
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On August 08 2015 00:29 GlowingBear wrote: Obi and rsoultin, why aren't you scum reading me? I KNOW your reasons to call me town. But if you consider voting pattern day1, I should be the most suspicious to you both. I didn't vote tofu nor I voted scott i've answered this so many times gb -_- i find it annoying you're asking again "i'm playing!" - ft "i don't think you're in this game" - gb some scum qt somewhere: "hey, gb, why don't you pretend you don't know that i'm playing this game for the wifom in case one of us flips?"-ft "that's awesome, ft! let me know when you're going to post so it looks like a natural reaction of two players not sharing a qt together...WHARGARBBLE huehuehue" -gb finally make sense now? -_- | ||
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On August 08 2015 00:35 GlowingBear wrote: Dear, from the flipped players. We know that firm tofu only made "cases" on town players. He reasoned his vote on Kelsier, he reasoned his vote on palmar. Hell, he preferred to townread hopeless to simply lynch Scott. That's when he saw he was going to get lynched. Would he start trying a counter wagon on a scum player or a town player? when scum looks like they're going to be lynched, generally trying to read into their reads is a bit of a shot in the dark he was clearly willing to lynch clarity. the case on scott has consistently given me pause, i'll admit but as i said...ows/oneg/you all have reasons for me to townread you guys, and the night kills strongly suggest one of oneg/scott because they would be two of the easiest "confirmed" town nks to deny town information. they're both alive what i'm failing to find is a reason in scott's own play, separate of all these other considerations, that makes him look town at all he fell off majorly since the greencheck on him...and not much in the way of bringing his own observations to the game...looks a lot more like treading water in gaiden he had a lot of interesting reads/comments/observations that he kept bringing forward that actually showed an interest in the game and solving it | ||
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i get what you're saying, gb. i do. i can't say i'm 100% sure on this read cause i'm not. but i don't think that little bit of "well he's not fighting" outweighs his play if you ask me to trust mechanics/claims i'd be lynching into my two top townreads left in the game -_- i've thrown it all out and now i'm just looking at the players themselves | ||
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not only has scott not fought his lynch before as scum, but scum players have not fought their lynches before as final scum how is this stronger than what i've brought to the table? who do you suggest we lynch instead? | ||
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On July 30 2015 06:50 rsoultin wrote: 70/80 ye can we still lynch slam? the true yolo! \o/ i rest my town case if y'all lynch me this game...i will put this in my sig. to shame you all eternally for being awful | ||
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On August 08 2015 02:18 rsoultin wrote: i rest my town case if y'all lynch me this game...i will put this in my sig. to shame you all eternally for being awful | ||
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you'd have to believe that i just got my second scum partner killed d2 for lolz if that's what you believe... On August 08 2015 02:18 rsoultin wrote: i rest my town case if y'all lynch me this game...i will put this in my sig. to shame you all eternally for being awful 100% if i hadn't posted that when i did you or bf would have been lynched. tell me i'm scum gb with a straight face lol >< tell me i'm scum | ||
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On August 08 2015 02:35 GlowingBear wrote: Yeah it's pretty hard to say you're scum. But you do understand my hesitation in voting scott right? I'll ask a different question: is there any chance that obi is Mafia? yeah? like i understand not being sure? i find it very unlikely, gb. there's a chance, yes, but i find it pretty remote. you yourself pointed out why, which is what i've been saying for...well pretty much since n2 hell there's even a remote chance that you are. that doesn't mean i'm going to suddenly twitch fit myself into voting you out of extreme paranoia | ||
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clearly you'd instigate a lynch on a scum partner slam who a townie was reading as blue just for the town cred, because you're not confident enough to win a game without that buffer you didn't just mislynch fucking hf and still manage to win without getting lynched huehuehue lynch scott, lynch me, or tell me who is scum | ||
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scum is ows gb toneread is too good plus i stand by my initial read. it's too similar to the palmar read on snickers that palmar somehow never realized i made long before he did lol >< some reactions simply aren't natural onegu is town because balance, because blue role, because this is his town meta, because he's bold enough to switch wagons over if he wants to, and because he's not trying and no matter how often he says that he'll try to break his meta as scum, i no more believe he's capable of ignoring the game as his favorite role than the rest of us are capable of doing it as town i apologize to everyone for letting obi pocket me. he's been blatantly sheeping me all game and i've been one of his only advocates. i don't know why it's taken me this long to become bothered by him constantly sticking up for me ever time someone scumreads me, except i guess because...well..i feel like i should be unquestionably townread lynch obi if i'm not around i suspect the nk ends up being gb, however, cause oneg lol >< ye, obi...have fun with this one i could have waited but blah | ||
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On July 27 2015 02:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Anyways I'm going to vote FT. My biggest issue with him was that he came up with all of these reasons to vote Palmar, but disappeared after throwing his vote down. Not only did it feel very token, but he did so at a time where the VC looked really terrible in terms of vote spread. I'm also willing to switch to scott but I don't know how much more I can say about him that hasn't already been done to death. or maybe fucking not -_- he could have easily switched to scott with the scumread he had on him fuck it this game shouldn't be this hard lol >< maybe it is oneg after all? | ||
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On July 27 2015 06:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yeah we don't have the people to switch to scott. Even then I still want to lynch FT. Let's go with that. ...lol >< okay | ||
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[QUOTE]On July 26 2015 02:41 rsoultin wrote: :/ i disagree with you on both those reads, gb [...] Anyway, do not lynch list: rayn, Palmar, KSC, Snickers (lol), onegu [...][/QUOTE] all town you think onegu's the exception? it's possible but lol...ft earned his own special "lynchbait" space | ||
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i really think his saying he wants to lynch both scott and ft basically negates all the town cred i gave him for not going for a clar lynch. you start piling votes up on clar, much more likely one of the two is going to get lynched. clar was afk but if he hadn't been, the two of them lynching scott would have been enough to save ft quite easily and obviously he argued against the slam lynch whoever is in lylo should take that into account | ||
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there are a limited number of votes if you can keep votes (and let's be honest, tunneled rayn is tunneled) between one partner and a townie rather than both partners it's objectively better i'm not saying it makes you scum. i'm saying it makes my "ironclad" townread on you not very ironclad at all why have you been hard-defending me all game obi? | ||
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i think it's obvious but given how many players clearly don't agree...why are you so sure? what makes me town? i just fooled you pretty hard in gaiden as to your alignment, it's my usual rack and stack gb top town. if he's scum this game i'm horrible, even more horrible than i've already been lol >< and i explained why i believe oneg is town. do you disagree with any of it? | ||
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really random thing to key in on but there was excessive use in that game and i noticed that some seemed off in this one. will have to dive more games blah lol >< the having more reads thing in his scum game still holds true in that one though, obi, unless he's made a ton of reads this one that i just haven't noticed in the midst of everything else | ||
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not sure how effective it is anyway though lol >< | ||
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well hopefully you're scum then, cause if you're town congrats on throwing the game and telling mafia exactly how to win -_- i knew this was the risk with scott, but i just thought he was scum lol :/ oh well | ||
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i have a town case ^^ it's an epic onegu-lvl town case and now i've got to figure which one of you is more likely to kill gb...obi or oneg obi and gb could just lynch oneg if obi's scum but problem is gb is likely to read into that...he's something of a wildcard and oneg saying he'd lynch me if he followed through would force me to lynch oneg :/ mrt...i kinda feel like how oneg approached EoN was pretty townie, too. the haha! gotcha! moment isn't easy to fake? i need to review things again -_- lol | ||
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On August 08 2015 02:18 rsoultin wrote: i rest my town case if y'all lynch me this game...i will put this in my sig. to shame you all eternally for being awful ^ okay oneg. i know you're not a moron and you can figure this out. voting for me is suicide if you're scum so i don't think you are @.@ we can talk about ft as much as you want, talk about trains on two scum with one of them afk and the significance of what each player did, but there's only one player here who started shenanigans on slam who had been blue read by snickers, when the vote was between two players who are now confirmed town i'm not going to defend myself any further than that. i can never be scum this game ##vote OWS | ||
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palmar switched last minute to ft, and ksc attempted to switch last minute to scott and failed | ||
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On July 25 2015 16:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Last thought before bed: I want to know why scott gave ksc posts + what his read on ksc is now. He had this whole bit on not liking ksc's entrance, ksc came back with "you can't find me scummy if you don't find anyone else scummy" (which makes no sense at all) and then scott immediately left him alone and gave him posts. Made no sense at all. On July 25 2015 22:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't really think I've misrep'd kelsier at all? That's how it read to me. /shrug I'm not even trying to say I have an issue with kelsier. I've liked a lot of his questioning thus far. It's scott I didn't like, because I didn't understand how his read evolved. On July 26 2015 13:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Iuno. Like. I know what you're saying and I also want to lynch scott. I was kind of aware of the idea behind what you were saying but I felt like there was something I was missing from your post. Like in hindsight it was kind of obvious but still. On July 27 2015 00:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote: On phone. Current lynch list: scott. Probably ft. Also hi. On July 27 2015 02:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Anyways I'm going to vote FT. My biggest issue with him was that he came up with all of these reasons to vote Palmar, but disappeared after throwing his vote down. Not only did it feel very token, but he did so at a time where the VC looked really terrible in terms of vote spread. I'm also willing to switch to scott but I don't know how much more I can say about him that hasn't already been done to death. On July 27 2015 04:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: /shrug I don't actually have much of a preference between the two. Also I just looked into clarity's filter and, yeah, it's kinda garbage. On July 27 2015 06:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm not arguing against a Clarity lynch. I just feel very confident in my FT read. On July 27 2015 06:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Scott, you had clarity as mafia like all game. How did he become town and then mafia again? On July 27 2015 06:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yeah we don't have the people to switch to scott. Even then I still want to lynch FT. Let's go with that. okay, these are all the mentions of scott d1 in ows' filter, and this is what had me going i might be wrong on obi last night (i think i included the relevant posts on tofu as well? but probably best just to reread the pages leading up to the lynch to get the full context in case i missed anything) here it's clear that he's more than willing to lynch scott, ye? if you look at the voting from d1, there was a strong train on ft some key points: - clarity was afk; there was going to be no help from that quarter, and there's a distinct possibility that they didn't know he'd be afk all day like that - palmar was never voting scott - i'd already said i'd vote ft over scott - snickers was afk most of the other players showed no interest in voting scott over ft, either, unless they were already on the scott wagon i'm not saying this makes ows scum, but i am saying that by EoD he couldn't switch to scott even if he wanted to, and the fact that he kept bringing scott up makes it likely that he would have if he were scum...if it was actually an option to save ft but given the votes and the opinions of those voting, it wasn't | ||
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On August 10 2015 00:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Haven't we been arguing that onegu is also town because he didn't switch? Why doesn't that mean anything for him? i haven't been arguing about his d1 vote at all, that i recall. it's certainly not the main reason(s) i'm townreading him | ||
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On August 09 2015 02:43 rsoultin wrote: ya know what? i'm not gonna do the silent thing scum is ows gb toneread is too good plus i stand by my initial read. it's too similar to the palmar read on snickers that palmar somehow never realized i made long before he did lol >< some reactions simply aren't natural onegu is town because balance, because blue role, because this is his town meta, because he's bold enough to switch wagons over if he wants to, and because he's not trying and no matter how often he says that he'll try to break his meta as scum, i no more believe he's capable of ignoring the game as his favorite role than the rest of us are capable of doing it as town i apologize to everyone for letting obi pocket me. he's been blatantly sheeping me all game and i've been one of his only advocates. i don't know why it's taken me this long to become bothered by him constantly sticking up for me ever time someone scumreads me, except i guess because...well..i feel like i should be unquestionably townread lynch obi if i'm not around i suspect the nk ends up being gb, however, cause oneg lol >< ye, obi...have fun with this one i could have waited but blahthat's the main reason i'm townreading him his play at the start of the day phase was excited, like he thought he'd caught you out and tricked you lol >< that he then reconsidered after rereading d1...it's just the way he's been approaching this phase in general doesn't seem very scumlike to me. he's interested, probing, changing his mind based on new information, and yes he doesn't seem to be playing to survive all you did was get mad as if my reads are ever based on just one thing -snorts- | ||
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i just clearly demonstrated going through your filter that you would have voted for scott. that means that onegu actually could have saved ft if he was scum and you were town by shifting his vote there. he wasn't backed into the same corner | ||
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On August 10 2015 00:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Except I wouldn't have: :/ I have no idea where this "you would totally switch" narrative is coming from. as scum you would have already determined that you couldn't save scott by the time you wrote that post. it was already in the post! this is "evidence"? in your posts preceding that you clearly were fine with either lynch -shrugs- and yes of course oneg, in lylo, as the last scum, plays to survive because that's how he wins. you're not this daft lol so when are you going to find a way to try to say i'm scum and vote for me, ows? i've been waaaaaaiting ^^ | ||
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i'm not going to argue in circles with you i'm saying this weakens your voting on ft d1. no more. no less. i think oneg looks more townie than you. in part because of that lynch. in part because of how he approached this day phase and what i know of his play you can pretend to be dull and not realize that being the last scum in lylo is different than fake-claiming vig and openly shooting the towniest player when he still had scummates and it wasn't lylo prove to me oneg is scummier than you are. that's the only way i change my vote or find a way to say i'm scum and vote me -shrugs- those are your only options | ||
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On August 10 2015 02:25 Onegu wrote: God not having filters is killing esports. So a few things confusing me here. Like why the Palmar NK over a town Rsoul? Like iirc he was pushing for Rsoul and my lynches. So if Obi is scum why the NK on him over Rsoul no offense to Palmar but when he is town he is good day 1 or like not at all. Second still the day 1 votes. Not attempting to save FT. Like rsoul said something about clairty not being there and possible that scum didnt know it but I thought he posted in thread that he was leaving. I dont know the timing of that though and I am really lazy to look. Bleh also losing to a scum rsoul would like make me drink myself into oblivion. So honestly I really want to lynch her just so I am 100% sure I dont lose to a scum rsoul... i'm town because i'm town and because i started the lynch on slam that otherwise would have been an uncontested mislynch between bf/gb, both now confirmed town this is irrefutable this i would never do as scum read the thread around the d1 vote onegu. if clarity is not there, how does obi get scott lynched with palmar and myself not voting scott, snickers gone and clarity gone? and most likely i'm still alive because i've been hard-defending obi since n2 when others wanted to lynch him -_- while leading mislynches on 3 town players. but that's just conjecture palmar also majorly picked up the day he got shot lol i was so happy he was actually playing and i wasn't dragging this town around by myself | ||
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On August 10 2015 00:13 rsoultin wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 25 2015 16:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Last thought before bed: I want to know why scott gave ksc posts + what his read on ksc is now. He had this whole bit on not liking ksc's entrance, ksc came back with "you can't find me scummy if you don't find anyone else scummy" (which makes no sense at all) and then scott immediately left him alone and gave him posts. Made no sense at all. On July 25 2015 22:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't really think I've misrep'd kelsier at all? That's how it read to me. /shrug I'm not even trying to say I have an issue with kelsier. I've liked a lot of his questioning thus far. It's scott I didn't like, because I didn't understand how his read evolved. On July 26 2015 13:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Iuno. Like. I know what you're saying and I also want to lynch scott. I was kind of aware of the idea behind what you were saying but I felt like there was something I was missing from your post. Like in hindsight it was kind of obvious but still. On July 27 2015 00:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote: On phone. Current lynch list: scott. Probably ft. Also hi. On July 27 2015 02:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Anyways I'm going to vote FT. My biggest issue with him was that he came up with all of these reasons to vote Palmar, but disappeared after throwing his vote down. Not only did it feel very token, but he did so at a time where the VC looked really terrible in terms of vote spread. I'm also willing to switch to scott but I don't know how much more I can say about him that hasn't already been done to death. On July 27 2015 04:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: /shrug I don't actually have much of a preference between the two. Also I just looked into clarity's filter and, yeah, it's kinda garbage. On July 27 2015 06:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm not arguing against a Clarity lynch. I just feel very confident in my FT read. On July 27 2015 06:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Scott, you had clarity as mafia like all game. How did he become town and then mafia again? On July 27 2015 06:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yeah we don't have the people to switch to scott. Even then I still want to lynch FT. Let's go with that. okay, these are all the mentions of scott d1 in ows' filter, and this is what had me going i might be wrong on obi last night (i think i included the relevant posts on tofu as well? but probably best just to reread the pages leading up to the lynch to get the full context in case i missed anything) here it's clear that he's more than willing to lynch scott, ye? if you look at the voting from d1, there was a strong train on ft some key points: - clarity was afk; there was going to be no help from that quarter, and there's a distinct possibility that they didn't know he'd be afk all day like that - palmar was never voting scott - i'd already said i'd vote ft over scott - snickers was afk most of the other players showed no interest in voting scott over ft, either, unless they were already on the scott wagon i'm not saying this makes ows scum, but i am saying that by EoD he couldn't switch to scott even if he wanted to, and the fact that he kept bringing scott up makes it likely that he would have if he were scum...if it was actually an option to save ft but given the votes and the opinions of those voting, it wasn't call me scum ows ^^ the posts are in the spoiler, every time you mentioned scott d1 | ||
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On August 10 2015 03:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Onegu, talk to me. What did you think of what I said about rso saying you don't play recklessly as scum? All you commented on was the fact that I looked at a single scumgame of yours, which kind of wasn't the point of what I was saying. not even what i said ^^ | ||
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there are two players trying to lynch scum today lol >< i'm not sure what obi is doing. he tries to say that my reasoning is bad by me saying that your play is suicidal and you wouldn't do that as the last scum in lylo...but clearly you're bold as scum so that doesn't apply here! \o/ he's not calling me scum or voting for me but he wants you to comment on my reasoning? it's like he wants you to keep your vote where it is while supposedly he thinks you're scum and i'm not he's not making any genuine effort to convince me to lynch you, either obi, i'll listen to what you have to say, but you haven't posted anything as to why oneg is scum, just said that he could do these things as scum. i don't agree. what's scummy about oneg's play? | ||
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that's not what's happening this game, though explain to me what my scum motivation was in slam's lynch? or even in the d1 lynch? tell me straight how you can even begin to rationalize i'm scum here we can win this if you're willing to set aside your obstinance lol >< otherwise...eh, i kinda deserve getting mislynched in lylo for being so horrible and misleading town 3 lynches in a row. would rather win, though. shame to throw this game away after lynching scum d1 and d2 | ||
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On August 10 2015 12:01 Onegu wrote: Bus someone who was going to die anyway... Also you shouldnt be alive over palmar... Like if you are town you just shouldnt as he was pushing for your and my lynch. Why does scum obi shoot him there. And like if I am scum I shoot you %1000 just so I can spoil you that I shot you... So like it doesnt make sense... was slam going to die anyway? no you know what else doesn't make sense? me not shooting you and taking you into lylo with me. or at the very least not trying to lynch you in lylo when obi has been saying he would | ||
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On August 10 2015 12:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Onegu, if you were mafia, who would you have voted on day 1? Serious question. worthless question wifom question do something productive you're not town ^^ at the very least i can be right when onegu lynches me cause he's a 'tard ^^ | ||
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On August 05 2015 06:10 Palmar wrote: I'm reading the run up to day 1 (with no filters I guess reading parts of the game makes some sort of sense). OWS is on the FT wagon all the time but seems to be willing to switch to scott. He even defends FT at some point (but he still just keeps his vote on him). I don't think it's particularly scummy by OWS but meh. rsoultin does simply sound like she's a lot more invested in the game at that point than OWS. Boxerfred also says some shit that might even be sort of scummy, but he also sounded really townie when under pressure I still think we should vote OWS. ^ you wanted your reason, oneg On August 05 2015 06:34 Palmar wrote: I'm almost okay with losing to rsoultin if she's mafia. ^ palmar was going to lynch me? lol >< On August 05 2015 22:22 Palmar wrote: Scott firstpost analysis First player to post in the game. Caps indicate excitement. Knowing there's only 1 mafia left he and GB cannot be a team so the name seems to be picked at random. Feels like a townie entrance. Bad first post. Not saying anything, almost posting just to post. Way scummier than scott. Claim, very hard to read tone into such a factual post. Probably going to be town because we have no other blue roles. Bunch of useless stuff in there that's kinda scummy. I also dislike the extra "uu" in scum. feels off tonewise, as if intended to be a joke. Her next post continues the same theme "I'm totally serious rayn is mafia he scumslipped" in what feels a very sarcastic manner. Extra "A" in bitch seems ott. I don't know, this one is null to me. meh that was useless. rsoultin/gb/ows was the pool of candidates anyway. Unless Onegu just lucked out and we have no blues in the game he decided to claim one. ^ palmar's last reads so basically you're telling me that i decided to kill palmar not when he was hyper tunneling me and i had ksc pocketed prettily if i were scum, but when he stopped fucking tunneling me and was working with me on the game?! you know who does benefit? the guy palmar was talking about lynching. i was still defending ows. why wouldn't ows kill palmar over me as scum in that situation i get you're not used to playing without filters, oneg, but this is exactly why people read the game then they actually have a sense for what was happening during each phase -_- | ||
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On August 10 2015 12:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It's literally not worthless at all. Go away. it literally is. you think he's going to tell the truth if he's scum? | ||
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i'm voting scum he's doing nothing but floating around waiting to see where the chips fall, because he doesn't care who scum actually is. has he even voiced an opinion today? done any legwork? probed at anyone? of course not. as it stands all he has to do is vote me or hell even vote you and i get mislynched tomorrow and he wins. all he does is cheerlead you to doubt me when he's too chicken shit to call me scum himself! his only concern right now is to make sure the lynch isn't him, and it's relfected in his play you need to fucking actually read the pages leading up to the d1 and d2 votes. even palmar said that ows was keeping his options open with scott when he was voting ft. a confirmed town player said this. you can at least trust him! there is no fucking way that i deliberately get my scummate lynched over two townies d2 for no fucking reason you can call it towncred all you want, but you're a moron if you believe it. why? because i could just as easily get towncred for voting him the next day, or the day after that, when town actually wants to vote slam without my prompting! it's moronic and poor strategy to do that there, and if nothing else i'm not a fucking moron. i'm not a lily-livered coward who fears the big bad townies who are gonna lynch me. i'll go toe-to-toe with marv and hf as scum. i don't give a shit. yet you think i'd pussy out and lynch slam when i didn't have to if we were scum together? that's hilariously awful lol >< | ||
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you didn't obi didn't snickers didn't hell the people who did were ksc, myself, gb (cause he was the counterwagon) hope kinda didn't even realize that otherwise we'd be lynching bf and palmar only came on board to save gb no way in hell slam gets lynched without me starting that -_- read the damn EoD's i'm not asking you to read the whole game, just the actual relevant information surrounding the two scum lynches. and if you still can't wrap your mind around it then, you can throw the game and lynch me, and i'll just be content with at least having my vote on scum but at least do that much -_- can you at least acknowledge that you owe me that much if i'm town...and i am! | ||
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On August 05 2015 06:16 Palmar wrote: I've changed my mind again now I want to lynch BF okay ye this was about you and doesn't show up in a ctrl+f but his last reads were literally his last post and this was obvious before bf flipped scum it doesn't negate that you were keeping your options open with scott -shrugs- you ever going to decide who is scum, ows? do anything at all productive in lylo? do you even care who scum is? certainly doesn't seem like it | ||
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On August 10 2015 13:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Anyhoezels. I am going to bed. I'm leaning towards voting rso, will sleep on it. Onegu, I hope you'll talk to me at some point about things because I don't really like the fact that you're not engaging me but I think it's more likely you're town than rso is at this point. Deadline IS tomorrow. Gn. lol yeah i'm so scum how am i scum bring it ^^ you have nothing | ||
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but here he is waiting for you to bring a point, sheeping it and pretending his read changed for that one post. yeah, sure come on oneg you can't be blind to this -_- why do i not just happily vote you with obi if i'm scum? easy win, i laugh at you trying to lynch me | ||
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On August 10 2015 13:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote: No, you're actually missing the point completely where Palmar said my decision to vote Ft for the correct reasons was actually towny. I'm relatively certain you had a conversation about it. Your narrative on scott is still garbage. I also just said I wanted to vote you. I can feel you trying to make this work with all of your might, but it's just not coming together. T.T okay scum ^^ you're missing the point where he was looking at you me and gb for scum clearly he wasn't townreading you after bf's flip keep it up you still haven't said why i'm scum ^^ if you were town you'd know that the way i'm treating this phase is townie as hell instead of taking the path of least resistance, just as i'm pretty sure onegu is town for the same reason the one searching desperately to make this work is you rereading the whole game lolol >< you didn't say a goddamned thing, just waited for oneg to come out with something that you could possibly latch on to well, i have to say. good job choosing to take me to lylo with him. i salute your overwhelming foresight that the guy who says he'll lynch me 100% in lylo will actually lynch me in lylo cute i don't blame you, really. it's your wincon if you ever decide to actually play this day phase and have reads and push them and make real arguments or even attempt to pretend that maybe possibly you're trying to figure this game out let me know otherwise, toodles my vote's on scum it's up to you oneg i'm out i'll answer questions but otherwise i'm fine with just being right and getting to laugh at the idiots who lynched me in one of the towniest games i've ever played toodles | ||
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On August 10 2015 13:12 Onegu wrote: Also maybe you think I am more easy to pocket... lol yeah if i'm a moron i knew, i knew last day phase if scott wasn't scum i was getting mislynched here. you want proof? | ||
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On August 06 2015 23:06 rsoultin wrote: lol gb i'm fully capable of changing my mind. did it on palmar. there's nothing preventing me from doing it now as town or scum but ye i want to lynch scott. could i be wrong on like ows/oneg ye, i could i don't think i am? i'm really gambling anyway here, cause i know that if oneg's scum...or even if he's town and it's you or ows i'm wrong on...i'm probably getting lynched in lylo proof but really my town case is the only proof anyone should read this game i said i wouldn't blame you if you threw oneg. i lied. if you don't read the votes surrounding the d1 and d2 lynches, i will blame you for being a lazy ass. if you do then whatever you choose, that's fine. not good play. not smart play. not right and you'll lose the game for us because of your obstinacy. but fine ye i'm not switching my vote cause i think you're town -shrugs- c'est la vie nite boys gg ows lol >< | ||
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On August 09 2015 03:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I literally just explained it: your cases and activity have been strong and the case against you was bad. I don't think too much of Gaiden because I stopped having fun with that game and basically stopped paying attention halfway through just because of the activity demands of the game, and even then I was under tremendous pressure from Hf which always fucks me up. Ofc I disagree with onegu being town. Just because he can be absolutely shit as town doesn't mean that he can't do fuck all as mafia - claiming is basically the lynchpin of his play regardless of alignment and it's nowhere near unheard of for town to have a minimum in regards to roles. I finished a game where he did literally ALL of the things you said as mafia. lol sure ows ^^ so believable need permission from mommy to vote me so you can feel secure he won't suddenly change his mind because your read change makes no sense? no worries oneg isn't going to change his mind grow some balls and vote me | ||
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On July 27 2015 03:27 Half the Sky wrote: Day 1 Vote Count FirmTofu (5): raynpelikoneet, Onegu, KelsierSC, rsoultin, ObiWanShinobi scott31337 (3): boxerfred, Hopeless1der, FirmTofu Hopeless1der (1): KelsierSC (1): raynpelikoneet (1): Palmar boxerfred (1): Snickers rsoultin (0): palmar (0): clarity_nl (0): Not Voting (1): scott31337 As the wind blows, FirmTofu is staring death in the face. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted. The live voting tracker is located here. Please FORMAT YOUR VOTES CORRECTLY in the voting thread or the script will not pick your vote up! and i didn't even need a filter for this rayn and ksc primary pushers on ft. not going to move (or at least lol you wouldn't think ksc would get cold feet) onegu never mentions scott. also pushes ft. probably not going to move i switched to clarity because it was my stronger scumread. didn't want to lynch scott. palmar later switched to clarity. didn't want to lynch scott snickers and clarity afk QUOTE]On July 27 2015 07:05 Half the Sky wrote: Night 1 (edited for vote tracker) Final Day 1 Vote Count FirmTofu (6): raynpelikoneet, Onegu, KelsierSC, scott31337 (4): boxerfred, Hopeless1der, clarity_nl (1): Hopeless1der (1): boxerfred (1): KelsierSC (0): raynpelikoneet (0): rsoultin (0): palmar (0): As the wind blows, FirmTofu is staring death in the face. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted. The live voting tracker is located here. Please FORMAT YOUR VOTES CORRECTLY in the voting thread or the script will not pick your vote up![/QUOTE] TLDR OWS, or any scum on the ft wagon, for that matter, would literally need one of the afk players or myself/palmar to actually vote scott to save him therefore his vote on ft means nothing that he was willing to vote for scott the entire day phase up until the point where he admitted there weren't enough to vote scott before saying he preferred ft also negates any fucking town cred he can try to claim for this lynch you ask why scum doesn't save their framer here? THEY LITERALLY COULDN'T! yet this is what you're townreading him for? lololol whereas i actually HEADED a push on scum from d1 AND was the catalyst to get him lynched d2 when the lynch would have been bf otherwise but yeah ows so townie here he is mewling at you, trying to decide where to put his vote that won't get him killed he hasn't made a scumread read that ridiculous hrm hrm post lol >< how fake is that? i mean seriously i don't know how else to get this across i really don't just look at the votes how does scum ows ever save his framer and! why the hell wouldn't scum rsoul try to take advantage of town ows' willigness to lynch scott? what possible good does me sitting on clarity do? obviously i'm not saving my framer that way AND I ACTUALLY COULD HAVE! i don't know how to make this any clearer to you oneg so why didn't i try to save ft? because i wasn't townreading him and i didn't care if he got lynched does that look like scum trying to save their partner to you? lol >< | ||
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are you planning on reading what i write/reading around the lynches/reevaluating at all? or am i wasting my breath? is there something unclear in what i just said? cause if you're dead set and not gonna put any more work in i'll just stop posting until EoD, but i'd actually appreciate being told if it's futile or not lol >< | ||
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recap in brief in proper english: Onegu claimed blue and we've only had one flipped blue and no CC. He is playing to his town meta. He lynched FT when OWS' willingness to vote scott would have allowed him to save FT. His reaction to the NK was super townie...a gotcha!scumbag moment. His vote on me was suicidal (doesn't seem so now because I'm not a scrub and am voting scum, but if I'd voted him instead which is what could have been expected of me, OWS' "scumread" was onegu). OWS voted FT, but made his willingness to vote scott clear throughout D1. He could not have voted scott to save FT under those circumstances. He has been coasting all game. His scumread on me is contrived and he can't even articulate it when asked. He claimed to be rereading the thread but brought nothing to the table. He camped out as long as possible before committing. He does not care who scum is. rsoul is the towniest town that ever towned. She voted FT early but then pushed scum!clarity because she is awesome and brilliant and independent. She refused to lynch scott over FT when, if she had capitalized on OWS' willingness to lynch scott, would have saved the framer scum. Her vote did nothing to protect scum, and nothing to gain her any town cred because she had no TMI. She pushed clarity all d2, and sparked the shenanigans on Slam. She is awesome and amazing and was taken in by the evil OWS, not paying close enough attention to the circumstances of the D1 lynch, and foolishly townread him, thereby lynching 3 innocent townies. She is in lylo with onegu because she is not scum and cannot nk anyone. ^ best reads evar! \o/ lynch the scum ows bastard and win the game! -drops mic- | ||
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not very nice of you to mislynch me without even giving me much of a chance or reading what i'm saying :/ are you really okay with mislynching me here? it's really better to mislynch me than consider that ows could be scum? i've shown you how he couldn't have saved scott with his vote if he wanted to what makes him town without that? what makes me scum? you really think i'd take you to lylo with me? you always talk about how you'll always lynch me at lylo and never reconsider lol >< you've tunneled me so many times as town it's exhausting really i know you're around (lol that steam thing is kinda unfortunate in that respect) please talk? please play? :/ don't you think it's awfully strange that you are the one deciding the lynch, oneg? the only reason that's happening is i'm town. i'd never leave it up to you as scum...lol the likelihood i'd even have you in lylo if i were scum is practically nill | ||
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i don't like stalk people i'm not that neurotic ^^ hi! | ||
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ahem really though you think a scum rsoul risks taking oneg to lylo with her? do you understand what i'm saying about ows and the ft lynch? | ||
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On August 11 2015 02:46 Onegu wrote: Why do you have a 21 page filter.... lol i'd say because i'm town but...ye i just spam. all the time | ||
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On August 11 2015 02:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm here. Catching up. uh huh | ||
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On August 11 2015 02:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Gotta keep reaching for something to push, don't you? -.- still not a scumread ^^ you can try to discredit me but you'd probably do better actually bringing "evidence" that i'm scum a little friendly advice your timing looks opportunistic, fyi like if you're actually town here which i highly doubt you are there's no way this behavior will ever convince me you're town, especially with your non-opinions, non-pushes, non-intelligent comments, lack of interest | ||
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if my points are really as empty as you're trying to project, shouldn't you be happy that you've got scum pinned, oneg is voting me and unlikely to change his mind instead you look put out it's that my points are actually valid, isn't it? lol | ||
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On August 11 2015 02:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote: lol I love how I go to sleep and you try to use that as an excuse to sell a scumtell on me. Adorable. you posted that after my question nice try ^^ now you can explain since you're here ^^ | ||
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i have real points while you talk about nothing concrete | ||
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i've proven that you couldn't save ft if you were scum ^^ this is not you saying why i'm scum or why oneg is town why are you scumreading your top town? | ||
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On August 11 2015 02:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote: No. They aren't. I've explained my reads between scott/ft and you've completely ignored the fact that Palmar even said that my ideas on voting Ft were towny and that I decided not to switch to scott. It's hilarious, honestly. means nothing switch to scott, ft still gets lynched, which you definitely knew given your post so you can't even begin to claim otherwise one "townie" thought does not make someone town | ||
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On August 11 2015 03:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Nope. I literally just explained why: Overuse of buzzwords Willful misrepresentation Abnormal development of reads Your reasoning here is amazingly reachy and just doesn't fit a town persona. I can't see this line of thinking coming from a town!rso. I just can't. The only conclusion I can draw here is that you're scum. so nothing nothing (it's not misrepresentation if it's true, now is it?) and...nothing, because you haven't shown how they're abnormal at all lol this is awful as it gets yeah, ows is scum no worries. i won't try to convince you you're scum any longer yes, i reevaluated. you could actually see me doing it the night phase before the day started. it's unfortunate it took me this long to catch you and that i hard-defended you for so long, but it is what it is -shrugs- and frankly, it's hypocritical anyway for you to say, because you were townreading me all game. at least i have a legitimate reason to doubt you other than buzzwords and "abnormal" reads | ||
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or could you not have saved ft by voting scott d1? | ||
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On August 11 2015 03:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It's completely irrelevant because I didn't want to. lol >< what's completely irrelevant is suspected scum claiming he did or did not wish to vote scott up until (and onegu will see this when he's reviewing the filters so you're fucked) you admitted that your vote couldn't save scott, you were saying you were willing to lynch both could you or could you not have saved ft by voting scott d1? you don't want to answer because you know that you couldn't have ^^ | ||
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even if oneg fails and mislynches me i will be doing my happy caughtscum!ows dance you'll win lol but you know what? you didn't dupe me all game. you pandering, pocketing SoB gg ows you certainly did make me look the fool. the least i can do as repayment is make you squirm some before you win for scum lol | ||
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-dances around- okay i'm gonna play some heroes with rayn if oneg has questions i'll answer but really >> just lynch the caught ows -hands oneg ows on a silver platter- | ||
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he got cold feet oneg can check that too SHWANG! caught ^^ | ||
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On July 27 2015 07:00 KelsierSC wrote: good reason I want to lynch scott okay yeah i reviewed ksc did have scott in his lynch list most of the day, you're right, ows that said, with wagons on both it was pretty clear that he preferred tofu until right before EoD, which doesn't negate my point additionally, palmar and i both said we'd lynch ft over scott the only reason i didn't vote tofu was the votecount was all confused -_- ^ that is nai btw | ||
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palmar's move was predictable. i should have moved if i'd been more up on the vote count ksc clearly preferred tofu to scott anyway until right before eod you still couldn't save ft zzzz | ||
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of course you do, cause you thought this through d1 when it was happening if you'd actually sat there convincing ksc openly well before the lynch and both of you moved palmar and i would have 100% voted ft to save scott everyone knows how i play and that i'll vote a null/null-leaning-scum read to protect a player i'm townreading, and you've played with me enough to know that, too. palmar also knows how to play mafia ^^ get rekt | ||
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it's called actually reviewing the facts town players do that ^^ | ||
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On August 11 2015 03:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yeh I'm sure, which is why you kept pushing clarity over tofu and didn't consolidate! no need to protect scott when scott isn't being lynched baby face more telling is i didn't vote scott and try to CONVINCE YOU to vote him, or CONVINCE KSC to vote him, or even VOTE HIM FOR THE TOWNCRED like good responsible scum players do when their boy is going down i didn't do anything to save ft because drumroll folks! i'm not scum lololol >< | ||
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after this oneg you have to promise not to autolynch me in lylo for the "why is rsoul still alive in lylo?" reasoning you like so much. it's clearly bad lol >< | ||
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gg mafia dinner time! \o/ | ||
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On August 11 2015 06:26 Onegu wrote: Alright I am here. I have been trolling Rsoul. I am like 80% Obi is scum and have been since last night when he was asking pointless questions. I guess he is godfather. Also I like 49% want to lynch rsoul just on like the 20% chance she is scum... But meh. I will like get uber drunk tonight if she is scum but whatever. ##Unvote ##Vote: ObiwanShinobi omg i <3 and hate you so much at the same time lol >< | ||
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On August 11 2015 06:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Onegu, seriously, pay attention to rso's last few posts: She claimed that her not switching was NAI but uses the fact that she could have switched to save scott as a reason for a scumtell. That doesn't make any sense: if she couldn't/didn't switch, how is that the reasoning behind her read when she claimed she was unable to do anything? THEN there's the fact that she only reviews what's going on ITT when I CALL HER OUT ON WHAT SHE'S SAYING. IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. zzzz ^^ scum is caught scum is caught ^^ you're not reaaaaading i said i woulda switched to ft but that woulda been nai cause i could have done that as either alignment me not doing anything to try to divert the ft lynch makes me town you called me out on nothing ^^ you were right that ksc did scumread scott but wrong that ksc preferred scott to ft if you're scum (and you are lol ><) palmar and i are town you know we vote ft to save scott there -bounces around- | ||
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On August 11 2015 06:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Except you said you couldn't switch because of the VCs being messed up. And then you said you would switch to save scott. I just pointed out your lie getrekt. i said i didn't switch because i wasn't on top of the vote counts xP if you'd done a push on scott of course i would have switched -yawns- | ||
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On July 27 2015 06:00 rsoultin wrote: lol ye i still think clarity is more likely to flip scum i'll lynch ft over scott look, obi...yeah he's afkish but he literally comes in without a read on rayn, says he'll sheep him (yes it can be assumed he's townreading rayn there cause otherwise it makes no fucking sense) and jumps on the hopeless wagon who, if i recall, was the only real non-retarded push at the time. sheeping implies he has no read on the guy yet he starts "championing" this push on hopeless while snickers is tunneling me which felt really off...like seriously if hopeless ever flips scum it's highly likely clar is scum for that alone then he comes back in with that big post on why he thinks hopeless is scum (which essentially is really no different from what he first said, just that hopeless' first post felt "forced") like, if the guy isn't going to be around today, you really think he puts in NO WORK, sheeps someone who he may or may not have even have had a townread on, then pretends his read on hopeless was strong by parroting what he said in the first place, which was essentially parroting what RAYN said in the first place? we all just got out of a game with clarity. you really think this is his town game? i don't On July 27 2015 06:36 rsoultin wrote: good god gb >< he only had clarity at null/slight scum and said his vote was suspicious -_- then this, and he goes into clarity's filter and changes his mind? that doesn't seem so horrible? scott, what was townie about clarity when you said the post i quoted? ^ clearly not going to lynch scott ^^ getrekt scuuuuuum ^^ | ||
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On August 11 2015 06:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yes to the bolded. Palmar was townreading me by the time he voted Bf. In what world do I shoot my top supporter going into lylo? and not during the night phase you shot him i was your top supporter you filthy liar zzzz | ||
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On August 11 2015 06:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Literally right off the last page. COME ON. lol not a lie the context you so cleverly omitted: if you'd tried to convince KSC to lynch scott it is clear by my posting and palmar's that we'd vote ft zzzzz | ||
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On August 11 2015 06:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I was talking about Gb in my final line, NOT Palmar. But thanks for the misrep I suppose. yeah misread that :/ lol | ||
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On August 11 2015 06:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote: He said his whole reread was useless and it led to nothing. COME ON. no he didn't stop lying lol he said we were the candidates anyway so him finding flaws with all our openings was useless ^^ | ||
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On August 11 2015 06:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Except you claimed that you couldn't, so even if scott was on the line the exact same thing would have happened and made it look infinitely worse. Nice try. lol you mean a last minute mass switch to scott? you think in shenanigans i don't? lol you're cute cause YOU CLAIMED that you would have tried to CONVINCE KSC which would have happened well before last minute EoD | ||
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gb fluctuates like the wind onegu says he always lynches rsoul 100% there you think it's safe to keep us in lylo together you were just RSOUL'D lolol >< boom! | ||
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On August 11 2015 06:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't think you understand how shenannies work. Nor do I think you understand what a "mass switch" is, especially in regards to scott only needing 2 votes (mine and ksc's, who was totally willing to switch) meaning the exact opposite of a mass switch. zzzz keep arguing this i'm not enough of a dolt to not move my vote when everyone is switching to scott votecount or not it's simple common sense. unless you think i'm a tard got anything else, big boy? | ||
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On August 11 2015 06:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Lmfao no it fucking doesn't. I shoot the guy who supports me over the person who does a 180 and decides that I'm last scum and gives a dying wish to have me lynched? What a joke. of course it's gb lol he changes his mind onegu usually doesn't. as long as onegu is voting me you're home free ^^ | ||
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i'm a masochistic moron with a death wish tryyyyy agaaaaiiiiiin | ||
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On August 11 2015 06:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote: lol as if a statement made days upon days ago based on absolutely nothing would be direction for a night kill. So much reachyness. said it right before the nk sweet cheeks. it's not exactly a secret on this forum anyway ^^ he's said it almost every game we've been in together | ||
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REALISTICALLY if i were planning a push, i kill oneg and bring gb the wifom it is real ^^ | ||
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tbf i did that too but the difference is i actually brought evidence against you as well i had a scumread i did the legwork i didn't hide behind an excuse that i was rereading the thread, then never brought new information, and pussyfooted around to see where oneg was going to go i took the information, determined who i thought was scum, and went with it gg scum ^^ | ||
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On August 11 2015 06:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Gb was my top supporter. Also doesn't make sense. lol he's gb everyone knows how easily his reads change on a whim and "top supporter" is really pushing it anyway if oneg's not in the game he's gotta lynch someone other than oneg | ||
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voting off my own scummate over two town...LEADING that lynch? no i'm not a moron everything else, maybe, though i think this is probably the towniest town game i've had in a long while frankly but not that | ||
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i'm so fucking glad that you were scum ows you have no idea i woulda felt horrible for that phase if you were town ^^; lol <3 gg man | ||
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On August 11 2015 07:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I honestly don't know why I even sign up for these games anymore. Though I guess I lasted a long time as confirmed mafia. So that's something. eh i'm horrid and was townreading you for bad reasons :/ | ||
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On August 11 2015 07:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm done. don't be mad? | ||
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it's not that unlikely, given gb's nature lol >< but yeah i would have been hard on ows and >> yeah...always great when my idiocy in lynching a greenchecked counterwagon to scum throws off scum plans >> | ||
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On August 11 2015 07:10 Damdred wrote: I think without spoiling anything I've worked on ows main flaw was his inability to suspect onegu and throw suspicion on RS without calling RS scum early, it felt liee a slow roll to a vote after he saw where suspicion would land. honestly their approaches to this last day phase solidified my scumread it's the push i was most sure on since clarity lol >< not 100% sure but...i couldn't have attacked ows that way if i had more than a little doubt he was scum anyway obi great game. i was a 'tard for most of it lol >< you did a good job with the hand you were dealt | ||
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On August 11 2015 07:15 marvellosity wrote: the scott lynch was hysterically bad i know :/ i'm sorries ;o; | ||
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(i actually had the strong town case on him palmar then wrote :/ and i threw it out over...a bunch of weirdness) and the bf one wasn't much better problem with playing by poe is if you townread the last scum, you start lynching town for bad reasons sorry guys | ||
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On August 11 2015 07:21 Half the Sky wrote: I think that was the general consensus in the observer QT - I can see why those who weighted his behaviour more heavily voted him down, but the ones that took very much setup speculation into mind and then still voted him down (Rasputin I <3 you lady, but I'm really looking at you here) I don't understand why you'd say "ah can't be any godfather" you know how I do my setups, you said framer/miller/gf was not balanced and then you think Scott might be mafia, make a quip on the DT goofing up his check and then if you think Scott is mafia you imply he's godfather. So that was one thing that I was really scratching my head on, because I pulled out a bunch of quotes at length and you really went into setup discussion to the point that you shouldn't have ever voted Scott. I just didn't understand. eh honestly it's basically what i just said in that post there? i was townreading the last scum and there were reasons...some of them very good...to townread most of the town players >< it ended up being a...okay who could i be wrong on? and i ended up throwing out both oneg's claim and scott's green check and just looking at play ironically that stupid bad lynch may have actually won the game just because scott wasn't in lylo lol >< with all the eh's out of the way i had to look at obi harder and felt like a moron | ||
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he kinda let us in on that one a week after he stopped playing lol >< a bit hard to just accept on faith you're right though even in my push on him i acknowledged that it was a ridiculously low probability play -_- but hey, oneg came through for me <3 and i didn't derp on ows in lylo. so...salvaged that mess somehow >< lol | ||
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lol @ calling the slam lynch accidental it may have been manipulative on the part of the two players pushing it...but accidental? not so much that's like the one thing i did right all game! \o/ | ||
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laaaady i was joking about the detective goofing bit lol | ||
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