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MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 01:31 GMT
#1659
@disformation, a lot of n00bKing's thought process does come from confirmation bias so it's fine to ignore those things. He's been doing it ever since he came to TL so I don't find it strange at all.

What I want are your thoughts on Breshke/Sulf/Mage.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 01:38 GMT
#1660
On July 29 2015 10:28 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2015 10:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I made this looong post where I drew up lists from all the voting times, people on me and other townies, my blanket list from earlier, and Damdred's thoughts that we shouldn't lynch people on the Barakos wagon. The list of people I was left with was Tictock/Breshke/scott/Sulf/ruXxar/Mage.

I read Tictock as town, scott claimed, ruXxar is 9000+ town, leaving us Breshke/Sulf/Mage.

I can post the post which I made before everyone started flip flopping through votes like fish if you guys want to see it but I decided not to post it and see how things turned out. Either way, it looks like the list is still good to go and my thoughts were only further confirmed by this mislynch.


got ninjaed.

Yeah, breshke super shady right now.. all the PoE's lead to Mage somehow. Kinda waffly about Sulf atm.

Seeing as how Tictock was VT and no one stepped forward against scott's claim, we're forced to believe him although I still find him suspicious.

Breshke is very strange. His play is centered around forcing mislynches on people that do "weird shit". If I guessed his list it would be something like Barakos/MoosyDoosy/Tictock/ruXxar because Barakos was scum and the rest of us 3 did weird things. The only reason why he eventually moved off ruXxar was due to thread sentiment and he's still focused on me because some people's suspicion on me hasn't completely cleared away (l0l ruXxar). His continuous posts have only twisted my null read on him into a scum direction as well.

Then there's Sulfurus. I am very waffly about Sulf too because his play is nothing like when he was Mafia in the games he rolled Godfather twice but his posts are still strange. First of all, his overconfident play clashes terribly with his wrong list and I find it strange that he says that "Moosy still has to die before the game is over." So he's a null.

As for Mage. I think this might be the next lynch. He comes a bit too late to wagons, follows thread sentiments, and I have a feeling he's been trying to pocket certain players (me for example). His reads are also a bit too confident like he already knows alignments. This is a fair lynch. As a note, my stance on him did change a bit suddenly due to his post near the end of D2 where Damdred seemed to have gotten the same vibe. So he's a scum lean.

These are my thoughts.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 01:44 GMT
#1662
Thanks. At least someone is more or less on the same page as me.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 12:42 GMT
#1675
On July 29 2015 15:55 ruXxar wrote:
Last mafia N00b + moosy.
It makes too much sense.

N00b insisted he would've gotten moosy lynched for sure if he was mafia.
Not so easy when moosy is your partner.
Also he was scared as shit of getting cop checked because he's the role blocker.

Moosy is the god father.
He admitted several times in the thread that he is mafia and doesn't give a shit about the game in general.
His day 1 was atrocious and he had no opinion of anyone all day.
He was paying 0 attention to the thread and threw ad hom attacks en masse after me.
He was figuratively begging to be cop checked by his play.

Moosy, get dunked. Your "hurr durr I'm mafia" play isn't going to work any longer.

You might want to take a look at my last Mafia game. And I WAS scum hunting until you came in and started tunneling in on me D1. Took me all of D1 to calm down to get to business on N1. Otherwise this argument is so faulty I doubt anyone will take it seriously besides Breshke for obvious reasons.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 12:45 GMT
#1676
Also ruXxar. Then wtf is the difference between me and you and Tictock? You were screaming to be cop checked with your poetry nonsense and Tictock with his tarot card bullshit. You're going to have to create arguments at a different angle than that.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 18:31 GMT
#1714
If anyone thinks that Rels + n00bKing isn't your townie shit fight they need to go kill themselves.

And don't make me disappointed in you disformation...I already said that I do attempt to pocket towns for my townie circle and I've been doing that this whole game except with ruXxar.

Also, if anyone thinks that I was intentionally playing scummy af because I'm Godfather, they need to clean their eyes. Bashing ruXxar is pretty standard because he is dumb and I always say things like I'm Mafia. If you want to go at that angle then you also have to take into account both ruXxar and Tictock who also did suspicious things and lynch them as well. Oh wait, we already lynched Tictock. And look how THAT turned out. lol

"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 19:27 GMT
#1723
^ lol thanks for realizing n00bKing. At a certain point ruXxar will refuse to listen and everything you do just becomes confirmation bias. If there was ever a king of tunneling, that person was toppled the moment that ruXxar entered TL Mafia. And then of course ruXxar gets confused when I start saying stuff like "I'm Mafia please kill me". It just gets tiring after you slam yourself into a brick wall and get nothing in return. So much to the extent that it's much more preferable to just get lynched and not put a proper effort into defending yourself as it'll amount to nothing in the end.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 19:32 GMT
#1729
On July 30 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2015 04:22 n00bKing wrote:
On July 30 2015 04:15 ruXxar wrote:
That's fine, I'll never town-read you until you manage to explain it to me.

Put yourself in my shoes. Why in the hell would I explain anything else to you, ever again? I've explained things and explained things, and explained things, and nothing ever penetrates. You just come back (EVERY time) with "Durrrr....I still don't understand!" So this is just another thing that I could explain until I'm blue in the face, and you'll either (by some miracle) still not get it, if you're Town, or pretend to not get it, if you're Scum. Moosy had the right attitude toward you all along. I'm ashamed that it took me longer to figure it out than it did for him.

Remember when I said I wanted you to play in my 4th Newbie game, so my mind could be blown by the notion that someone who plays like you do could be listed as a "veteran" player? I changed my mind. Please do not participate in my 4th Newbie game.

And Dear Mafia,

Remember how I asked you to not kill me on Night 1, because it was my birthday? I changed my mind about that too. PLEASE kill me on Night 2.


I asked the thread for ANYONE else to explain why what you said makes sense.
NO ONE spoke up.

So on top of me and rels not understanding it, no one else has managed to explain how what you said makes sense.
Evidence is pointing towards you having a problem clearly explaining your point.

The reason why no one is explaining is because everyone stopped reading because n00bKing, Rels, and you are all town and just wasting your time trying to kill each other.

I've understood n00bKing's viewpoint but you would just use your mass tunneling / confirmation bias to say "hur dur, Moosy is mafia with n00bKing he understands hur dur" which is why there's no point in me explaining.

Can you not get it or do I need to explain it more?
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 19:34 GMT
#1732
On July 30 2015 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
the town case on TT 10mins before the deadline explains it.
all the day he has been talking about making a big town case. He makes it when it does not matter any more.

rayn I'm disappointed in you. After you force the mislynch on n00bKing, force one on me too buddy because town is gonna lose at this rate and I don't want to take part of the blame.

That was clearly NOT what n00bKing's intention was. In his filter HE CLEARLY STATES that he WILL NOT post the case unless he absolutely has to. At that point, scott was gonna be lynched. After everyone starts flip flopping into the TT wagon does n00bKing post his Townshield case AS HE PROMISED. So no what you're saying is false.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 19:37 GMT
#1736
On July 30 2015 04:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2015 04:34 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 30 2015 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
the town case on TT 10mins before the deadline explains it.
all the day he has been talking about making a big town case. He makes it when it does not matter any more.

rayn I'm disappointed in you. After you force the mislynch on n00bKing, force one on me too buddy because town is gonna lose at this rate and I don't want to take part of the blame.

That was clearly NOT what n00bKing's intention was. In his filter HE CLEARLY STATES that he WILL NOT post the case unless he absolutely has to. At that point, scott was gonna be lynched. After everyone starts flip flopping into the TT wagon does n00bKing post his Townshield case AS HE PROMISED. So no what you're saying is false.

so is "when he absolutely has to" 10min before the deadline when everyone is sleeping (or "incapable" of being here)?

He says he doesn't want to have to type it out unless he absolutely has to. Obviously typing that long ass post takes time. Looking at his posts during that time he was also clearly at work which anyone can deduce so he can't check on TL Mafia all the time.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 19:41 GMT
#1741
On July 30 2015 04:38 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2015 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
he is obviously a smart guy.
he is not playing smart.
i cant explain it better.

Oh, I was playing plenty smart. And while your Day 2 lynch target was godawfully wrong, I still bet mine (Sulfurus) was right on the money. And if you want to switch your lynch target to me, you'll still be godawfully wrong. And for the SAME (incredibly strong) reasons, too, which will be the most embarrassing part.

You placed me in "totes Townpile" which you said was even better than Townpile! Then said you couldn't understand how anyone could scumread me. And then eventually you decided that maybe you had an association case for me and Ticktock. Yes, yes! Ticktock and n00b, that's the team! And then he flipped...Town.

"n00bKing is Town, Town, Town, TOWN, Town!"
"n00bKing is Scum with Ticktock!"
[Ticktock flips Town]
"Screw it, n00bKing is still Scum anyway!"

Okay.

Don't forget that I'm your scummate. If you're gonna die I'm gonna die with you because there's no point. This town is not worth saving.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 19:42 GMT
#1743
On July 30 2015 04:40 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2015 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
he is obviously a smart guy.
he is not playing smart.
i cant explain it better.


Exactly this.
His push on rels was so bad I couldn't believe n00bking is doing this.

BULLSHIT. Remember our first Mafia game together. LOL. THAT game was a prime example of n00bKing with his confirmation bias at work. However even if he's guilty of having confirmation bias your's is 100x worse.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 19:42 GMT
#1745
scott you're the one on drugs if you think that was an appeal to emotion. I'm seriously disgusted by this town right now.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 19:44 GMT
#1746
You know what I fucking give up. rayn is tunneled on n00bKing, Rels and ruXxar are gonna sheep him, rayn's gonna force disformation into voting for n00bKing again, Sulf/Breshke/Mage where the Mafia is at are going to happily sheep the case, and the game will just go downhill from there.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 19:45 GMT
#1748
Like literally the only chance this town is saved is if Damdred or disformation speak up because the rest of the town is dumb as fuck.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 19:48 GMT
#1752
On July 30 2015 04:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iam sorry for the lynch. not really though, TT was awful.
noobking is mafia.
mark my words.

I don't know what to say if you really thought TT was Mafia. His reads were all wrong but his play was definitely townie play. There was actually no way to misread it.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 19:51 GMT
#1753
On July 30 2015 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2015 04:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 30 2015 04:40 ruXxar wrote:
On July 30 2015 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
he is obviously a smart guy.
he is not playing smart.
i cant explain it better.


Exactly this.
His push on rels was so bad I couldn't believe n00bking is doing this.

BULLSHIT. Remember our first Mafia game together. LOL. THAT game was a prime example of n00bKing with his confirmation bias at work. However even if he's guilty of having confirmation bias your's is 100x worse.


n00bking played a million times better in our last newbie game than he did this game imo.
I could actually understand his logic that game. i gained tremendous respect for n00bking after that game even if he just lived for 1 day.

This game he's literally throwing that image in the trash.

I see the same things in both games. He has confirmation bias on a few people, is a bit overeager to pressure some over others, and his wordiness is kicking in when he's trying to explain something.

It's just that your bias for Rels is kicking in and is shading n00bKing in a bad light while putting n00bKing in our first game into a better light. If you go back and read that game, you can see all the traits still carried over into this one.

But then again you won't read it because you're dumb. And even if you DO read it, your confirmation bias will just kick in and refuse to accept that fact.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 20:03 GMT
#1756
On July 30 2015 05:00 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2015 04:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 30 2015 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
On July 30 2015 04:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 30 2015 04:40 ruXxar wrote:
On July 30 2015 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
he is obviously a smart guy.
he is not playing smart.
i cant explain it better.


Exactly this.
His push on rels was so bad I couldn't believe n00bking is doing this.

BULLSHIT. Remember our first Mafia game together. LOL. THAT game was a prime example of n00bKing with his confirmation bias at work. However even if he's guilty of having confirmation bias your's is 100x worse.


n00bking played a million times better in our last newbie game than he did this game imo.
I could actually understand his logic that game. i gained tremendous respect for n00bking after that game even if he just lived for 1 day.

This game he's literally throwing that image in the trash.

I see the same things in both games. He has confirmation bias on a few people, is a bit overeager to pressure some over others, and his wordiness is kicking in when he's trying to explain something.

It's just that your bias for Rels is kicking in and is shading n00bKing in a bad light while putting n00bKing in our first game into a better light. If you go back and read that game, you can see all the traits still carried over into this one.

But then again you won't read it because you're dumb. And even if you DO read it, your confirmation bias will just kick in and refuse to accept that fact.


How about you go on and explain n00bkings statement on rels which you apparently had no problem understanding.

There's no point in answering you unless someone asks the same question.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 20:35 GMT
#1762
On July 30 2015 05:20 Rels wrote:
Wow noobking and moosy are both using credibility attacks on people. Maybe you were right ruxx and that's the team.

Anyway good night all, can't see me dying over rayn so see you tomorrow.

Yes we are the Mafia team. In fact, I'll make it easier for you and start a wagon on myself first thing on the next day. After I flip town perhaps THEN you'll finally come to your senses. But then I doubt it because you'll ignore the result and still lynch n00bKing.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 20:47 GMT
#1764
On July 30 2015 05:05 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2015 05:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 30 2015 05:00 ruXxar wrote:
On July 30 2015 04:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 30 2015 04:47 ruXxar wrote:
On July 30 2015 04:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 30 2015 04:40 ruXxar wrote:
On July 30 2015 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
he is obviously a smart guy.
he is not playing smart.
i cant explain it better.


Exactly this.
His push on rels was so bad I couldn't believe n00bking is doing this.

BULLSHIT. Remember our first Mafia game together. LOL. THAT game was a prime example of n00bKing with his confirmation bias at work. However even if he's guilty of having confirmation bias your's is 100x worse.


n00bking played a million times better in our last newbie game than he did this game imo.
I could actually understand his logic that game. i gained tremendous respect for n00bking after that game even if he just lived for 1 day.

This game he's literally throwing that image in the trash.

I see the same things in both games. He has confirmation bias on a few people, is a bit overeager to pressure some over others, and his wordiness is kicking in when he's trying to explain something.

It's just that your bias for Rels is kicking in and is shading n00bKing in a bad light while putting n00bKing in our first game into a better light. If you go back and read that game, you can see all the traits still carried over into this one.

But then again you won't read it because you're dumb. And even if you DO read it, your confirmation bias will just kick in and refuse to accept that fact.


How about you go on and explain n00bkings statement on rels which you apparently had no problem understanding.

There's no point in answering you unless someone asks the same question.


Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 17:59 Rels wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:50 Rels wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:47 n00bKing wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:26 Rels wrote:
Wow this is ridiculous. That is WIFOM, not worse than WIFOM. Look at these possibility:

1
noobking is a mafia (not GF). Rels said he was going to check noobking. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoid a red check.

2
Flexes is mafia. Rels said he was going to shoot Flexes. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoir a mafia kill.

Those are not reasonable "possibilities." If Flexes is Scum, and knows there is a Vigilante in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be shot by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Vigilante, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town).

The second scenario is particularly ludicrous, because you're trying to tell me that after I spent Day 1 and Night 1 painting you as a suspect, I then up and ROLEBLOCKED you, in a game where there is a guaranteed Scum roleblocker but no possibility of a Town roleblocker.

???

I agree that if you are mafia, it's bad for you to roleblock me (or kill me). BUT if you know there is a cop in the setup, you have no choice but to do that. Bad situation but wifomable > red check.

lol, NONSENSE. What didn't you understand about "If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)."?

I don't understand. You are saying:

- I'm probably not the cop
- On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you

I don't understand why you are saying that. Especially the second part.


How about now?

This won't make a difference because you'll use some form of confirmation bias but I'll give it a shot.

n00bKing has been widely regarded as town until you two started piling shit on him after D2. No cop would and should waste a check on n00bKing because he is town. Also, it was able to be deduced that scott was cop for reasons that I stated before. n00bKing obviously didn't want to disclose this information so that Mafia would figure it out and he IN FACT warned me when I posted my reasoning for why scott should be town. However this ended up not mattering because Damdred made everyone pile votes on scott which made him role claim.

...Is that simple enough?
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