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OK let's take care of noobking's accusation shall we. I'll rewrite noobking's case 'cause it's so not synthetized at all.
Why is Rels mafia: an ironic accusation One Talking about NocturneMage, Rels said he claimed VT when NM never did it. Furthermore, when asked why he did that, he tried to dismiss the point, before changing his story to "I used VT to mean townie".
Two Still talking about NocturneMage's first post, Rels affirmed it was prepared. When other people made the remark that the post couldn't be prepared 'cause it contained info from after the game started, Rels explained that "prepared post" meant he prepared his post before posting, not before the game.
Three Two times as Rels changed his story. That shows he's inconsistent.
Forth Rels misrepresented noobking's position.
Fifth Rels made a forced case, 'cause if he believed NM made a prepared post, he didn't explain how that made him mafia.
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OK to answer this.
Introduction The case is entirely based on my first post and my reactions to people talking about it, so read it. + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:Alright here I go. Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:08 NocturneMage wrote: RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet.
ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though.
Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. This first post from NocturneMage seems very prepared to me. And prepared post = scumlean. Why is it prepared ? Let me show you. RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. <= VT claim + fluff about beer. ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though. <= Discussion about something in game. Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. <= Funny remark about host. So three different subjects in first post = prepared post. And prepared post means he may be afraid to post, hence why he prepared it so much. Plus in his later posts there are lots of questions + "i'm a noob" statement. See spoiler for source. It could mean he is mafia doesn't know what to talk about; could also just mean he's newbie and doesn't know what to talk about. So NAI. + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2015 07:22 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: ruXxar stop speaking like that. You're not speaking honestly you're flavoring your tone and what we need is your regular tone. He seems relieved to be town, assuming he's telling the truth, though the poetry makes me think he's more high than he is mafia. Do you think he's mafia? On July 24 2015 07:27 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote: On a different note, if you tunnel on me again I will make sure you die. Is that alignment indicative for ruXxar? I'm guessing it is if that was a scum game of his? On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote: Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. On July 24 2015 07:39 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:34 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote: Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. Tell me of your experience with real life mafia. My curiosity is peaked. I played it a lot at parties in uni and in grad school. It was the party game of party games. I also have played a board game called Resistance which is somewhat similar except people don't die but you also do figure out if people are lying or not and try to include them on your team or not and then pass or fail the expedition party. What is your experience with mafia or is forums just it? On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote: Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI. Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs* But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read? I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking? So, ##Vote NocturneMage@NocturneMage: if you're town, I want you to read Flexes' filter, who is also playing his first game. Only two posts, but he already discussed something relevant to the game. If you don't know: in the OP, if you click Flexes' name, you have access to all the posts he did in this thread.
One The fact that I used VT to mean townie is NAI. The accusation part of this point is that I tried to swip it under the rug when mentioned. But that is not true. I will put you in my head; and by that I mean, read these posts with the idea that VT=townie.
On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote: RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. <= VTtownie claim + fluff about beer.
On July 25 2015 03:58 n00bKing wrote: 1) Where are you getting the idea that there is a VTtownie claim in there? Can you now understand why I said:
On July 25 2015 04:36 Rels wrote: Point 1 is useless. Cause NM effectively claimed townie, and I believed I said that. So: I didn't change my story.
Two I already explained that by prepared post I meant he prepared his post before posting it, not that he prepared his post before the game. Furthermore, read my case when the idea that "prepared post = prepared before the game"; it doesn't make any sense. What is even more ironic about that point is that I answered it super early in the game. + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2015 18:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 18:42 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:Alright here I go. On July 24 2015 07:08 NocturneMage wrote: RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet.
ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though.
Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. This first post from NocturneMage seems very prepared to me. And prepared post = scumlean. Why is it prepared ? Let me show you. RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. <= VT claim + fluff about beer. ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though. <= Discussion about something in game. Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. <= Funny remark about host. So three different subjects in first post = prepared post. And prepared post means he may be afraid to post, hence why he prepared it so much. Plus in his later posts there are lots of questions + "i'm a noob" statement. See spoiler for source. It could mean he is mafia doesn't know what to talk about; could also just mean he's newbie and doesn't know what to talk about. So NAI. + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2015 07:22 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: ruXxar stop speaking like that. You're not speaking honestly you're flavoring your tone and what we need is your regular tone. He seems relieved to be town, assuming he's telling the truth, though the poetry makes me think he's more high than he is mafia. Do you think he's mafia? On July 24 2015 07:27 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote: On a different note, if you tunnel on me again I will make sure you die. Is that alignment indicative for ruXxar? I'm guessing it is if that was a scum game of his? On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote: Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. On July 24 2015 07:39 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:34 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote: Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. Tell me of your experience with real life mafia. My curiosity is peaked. I played it a lot at parties in uni and in grad school. It was the party game of party games. I also have played a board game called Resistance which is somewhat similar except people don't die but you also do figure out if people are lying or not and try to include them on your team or not and then pass or fail the expedition party. What is your experience with mafia or is forums just it? On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote: Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI. Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs* But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read? I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking? So, ##Vote NocturneMage@NocturneMage: if you're town, I want you to read Flexes' filter, who is also playing his first game. Only two posts, but he already discussed something relevant to the game. If you don't know: in the OP, if you click Flexes' name, you have access to all the posts he did in this thread. Ah, the pre-planned accusation. Classic mafia style. #self-meta. Your prepared argument is non-sense. How are they prepared when #2 and #3 are based on events that happened after the game started? No you don't get it. I'm not saying NocturneMage prepared his post before the game started. I'm saying he thought long and hard before he posted it, instead of being free of mind and posting what he felt. The evidence that he thought long and hard before posting it is the fact that there are 3 different subjects in the post. Then, I'm saying that the fact that he is not free of mind posting his first post may indicate he's mafia. So once again, I didn't change my story.
Three See the point 1&2; never changed my story.
Four noobking said this:
On July 25 2015 03:58 n00bKing wrote: 3) Even if you DID mean "thought about it a lot before posting" from the get-go, how does it take a lot of thought to make either the second or third comments? Why are those not immediate off-the-cuff remarks, where he just put his thoughts to the page as soon as he had them? In this post he's asking why I thought NM's prepared post was necessarily scum indicative. It is a good interrogation (that I already answered to ruxxar super early in the game). So I post this:
On July 25 2015 04:36 Rels wrote: Point 3 should have been the only content of your post. I can understand why you think its not scum indicative when I do. So I never misrepresented noobking's position.
Fifth That is the worse point, as it cleary show that noobking didn't read the game.
On July 24 2015 18:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 18:42 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:Alright here I go. On July 24 2015 07:08 NocturneMage wrote: RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet.
ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though.
Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. This first post from NocturneMage seems very prepared to me. And prepared post = scumlean. Why is it prepared ? Let me show you. RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. <= VT claim + fluff about beer. ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though. <= Discussion about something in game. Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. <= Funny remark about host. So three different subjects in first post = prepared post. And prepared post means he may be afraid to post, hence why he prepared it so much. Plus in his later posts there are lots of questions + "i'm a noob" statement. See spoiler for source. It could mean he is mafia doesn't know what to talk about; could also just mean he's newbie and doesn't know what to talk about. So NAI. + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2015 07:22 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: ruXxar stop speaking like that. You're not speaking honestly you're flavoring your tone and what we need is your regular tone. He seems relieved to be town, assuming he's telling the truth, though the poetry makes me think he's more high than he is mafia. Do you think he's mafia? On July 24 2015 07:27 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote: On a different note, if you tunnel on me again I will make sure you die. Is that alignment indicative for ruXxar? I'm guessing it is if that was a scum game of his? On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote: Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. On July 24 2015 07:39 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:34 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote: Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside. Tell me of your experience with real life mafia. My curiosity is peaked. I played it a lot at parties in uni and in grad school. It was the party game of party games. I also have played a board game called Resistance which is somewhat similar except people don't die but you also do figure out if people are lying or not and try to include them on your team or not and then pass or fail the expedition party. What is your experience with mafia or is forums just it? On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote: Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI. Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs* But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read? I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking? So, ##Vote NocturneMage@NocturneMage: if you're town, I want you to read Flexes' filter, who is also playing his first game. Only two posts, but he already discussed something relevant to the game. If you don't know: in the OP, if you click Flexes' name, you have access to all the posts he did in this thread. Ah, the pre-planned accusation. Classic mafia style. #self-meta. Your prepared argument is non-sense. How are they prepared when #2 and #3 are based on events that happened after the game started? No you don't get it. I'm not saying NocturneMage prepared his post before the game started. I'm saying he thought long and hard before he posted it, instead of being free of mind and posting what he felt. The evidence that he thought long and hard before posting it is the fact that there are 3 different subjects in the post. Then, I'm saying that the fact that he is not free of mind posting his first post may indicate he's mafia.
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On July 25 2015 17:47 n00bKing wrote: Okay, I'm off to bed too. I'll be dreaming of a world where we have 3 Nooses today. So that we could just lynch Barakos, and Sulfurus, and Rels, and see if we win yet. Good timing.
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On July 25 2015 17:34 n00bKing wrote: You keep telling people that the "fact" that he prepared his post may not be scum-indicative for them, but IS scum-indicative for you. What I keep reminding you of is that this "fact" is NOT a fact. It's only something you've presented as fact. And when I've challenged you (twice) to explain how those remarks require forethought, instead of just being off-the-cuff instant reactions, you've come up empty (twice).
On July 25 2015 05:59 n00bKing wrote: YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING MY POSITION. Read it again.
Never said his remarks required thought. I said he had three different subjects in his first post, which means he didn't post immediatly after writing the first one.
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On July 25 2015 18:03 Tictock wrote: Oh yea before I forget to respond to Rels till the morning.
Thought you were kinda scummy off that entrance post it felt forced, since then you've been more like a weak town read.
I don't have much trouble seeing newbie town opening like that. Trying to comment about a few things to start then asking a few questions. Pretty null overall imo.
OK and what do you think of his whole filter ?
Didn't remark a lot of your recent posts 'cause I was focusing on noobking, what are your strongest townies / scums ?
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By the way TT outside of all game consideration: I completely ignored your tarot stuff 'cause it's all NAI, but it was pretty cool.
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On July 25 2015 04:53 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 04:47 n00bKing wrote:On July 24 2015 23:42 ruXxar wrote:On July 24 2015 23:30 MoosyDoosy wrote: Thank you. Mafia reads and neutral reads? Anyone in particular you'd like to point out? Damdred: - don't like opening post, forced. - tone read on me, same read he had last game when he was mafia, too certain. ...weren't you scum in that game too, though? If you're Town this game, then being suspicious of him because he reads you the same way he did when you were both scum is...curious. How so? It's the lazy man approach. Damdred thinks like this: "Fuck I am scum again, boring shit" "Ruxx said a lot of crap" "I know ruxx is town, so how do I convey that without TIMI" "I'll just use my random tone-read I used last game done deal" Or he doesn't. I'll be damded If I know what damdred thinks half the time. Also outside of all game consideration, that made me laugh pretty hard. =D
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Useful list of useless people Sulfurus Barakos Flexes
Sulfurus posted an auto list. Since then, he discussed almost entirely Barakos, when one off post on why Flexes is town. In particular this line is damning:
On July 25 2015 14:02 Sulfurus wrote: I'll start with my read on Barakos since it was the easiest to figure out, just look at this post. He "started with his read on Barakos" (that was easy to make considering the thread sentiment) ... and never continue.
Flexes, I liked his first two posts for a newbie, but three post in 35 hours is not acceptable. Even more after that:
On July 25 2015 05:39 Flexes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 02:59 Rels wrote:On July 25 2015 02:51 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:Useful list of useless peopleSulfurusTicktockIf one of the two still hasn't contribute something tomorrow, I'll push for his lynch very hard. Can probably add Flexes Yeah liked his first posts but he really needs to come back. i am here, but i don't wanna post stupid shit that clutters up the thread. i'm writing up my thoughts on all players right now and will post my reads when finished.
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On July 25 2015 18:39 Tictock wrote: I'm off to bed as well but
@ Rels
Noc reads overall null to me right now, I don't recall if it was you or someone else but the comment about Flex having done more in fewer posts was solid. Still not enough for me to really think he's scum.
Noob is my strongest townread atm. Dis also looks to be pretty towny and as I remember him in past games.
I'm thinking scum is somewhere in MD, ryan, Dam, Sul, and possibly Bre.
The stuff on Bara isn't convincing me, but it's also not bad and Bara hasn't responded in awhile now... I've got no real issues if he gets lynched. Yeah having an auto-lynch is also depressing me, but I think he's likely mafia.
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rayn what did you think on his case on moosy ?
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On July 25 2015 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 21:19 LightningStrike wrote: Also you can find the vote count here with a 15 minute delay Here. your link does not work LS. Now working!
On July 25 2015 22:46 ruXxar wrote: The longer this goes without any resistance arising makes me think barakos is town regardless of if what he's said is all BS. Either that or his mafia team is a bunch of newbies that are afraid to go against thread sentiment. I get your feeling because I had the exact same one in the last game I played (HF game). Turns out the lynch was mafia, but yeah too-easy lynches are weird.
See the vote count though; only 5 votes on Barakos now.
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On July 25 2015 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 23:31 ruXxar wrote: MoosyDoosy TicTock NocturneMage Flexes
Found barakos scum partners right here.
FTFY I would lynch NM before TT I think. Adding Sulfurus, that's my list too.
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On July 26 2015 04:13 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 18:26 Rels wrote:On July 25 2015 17:34 n00bKing wrote: You keep telling people that the "fact" that he prepared his post may not be scum-indicative for them, but IS scum-indicative for you. What I keep reminding you of is that this "fact" is NOT a fact. It's only something you've presented as fact. And when I've challenged you (twice) to explain how those remarks require forethought, instead of just being off-the-cuff instant reactions, you've come up empty (twice).
On July 25 2015 05:59 n00bKing wrote: YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING MY POSITION. Read it again.
Never said his remarks required thought. lol! How can you try to say that his remarks were prepared before he posted them, and also try to say that he didn't have to think about them before he posted them? This is like the 4th time you've gotten yourself tangled up in a self-contradiction already. Did you really cut half of my post so you could misrepresent it ?
On July 25 2015 18:26 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 17:34 n00bKing wrote: You keep telling people that the "fact" that he prepared his post may not be scum-indicative for them, but IS scum-indicative for you. What I keep reminding you of is that this "fact" is NOT a fact. It's only something you've presented as fact. And when I've challenged you (twice) to explain how those remarks require forethought, instead of just being off-the-cuff instant reactions, you've come up empty (twice).
Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 05:59 n00bKing wrote: YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING MY POSITION. Read it again.
Never said his remarks required thought. I said he had three different subjects in his first post, which means he didn't post immediatly after writing the first one. Again 'cause you're not stopping with this: I never said each SEPARATE remark required thoughts. As you say, each SEPARATE remark is a "off-the-cut instant reaction". What I said is that
he had three different subjects in his first post, which means he didn't post immediatly after writing the first one.
I can't believe you're so adament with this push on me. Actually I think you're scum.
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On July 26 2015 06:31 disformation wrote: Hm. Sidenote: Trying to formulate my thoughts on Damdred is harder than expected. Reread the Shadow QT from Holy Guardians and realized that we were actually not talking much in there. I can see some similarities in his play in Holy Guardians, but I am not sure if that is actually enough to call it a read. =/ Gaiden felt different because he was pretty pushy towards LS from an early stage. I am not sure if this is normal for his mafia play. Maybe he only did this because LS is a very good target for mafia to push early on, since he has the habit of claiming PR's super fast. Which is also what happened in Gaiden.
I am getting the feeling I should concentrate more on his play this game... Impressed by the fact you follow up something you said at the very beginning, and took the time to reread stuff from other games. That is confirming my town read on you.
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On July 26 2015 06:50 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 06:44 Rels wrote: I never said each SEPARATE remark required thoughts. As you say, each SEPARATE remark is a "off-the-cut instant reaction". Then IT'S NOT PREPARED. Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 06:44 Rels wrote: What I said is that he had three different subjects in his first post, which means he didn't post immediatly after writing the first one.
And why would anyone ever care about that? Why would you even bother to mention that? Most people (if not all people) would combine those 3 thoughts into a single post, not split them out into 3 separate posts. You're being completely ridiculous. And this would mean that at least 2/3 of your original comments would be nothing that anyone would EVER care about. "Ooh, look! He claimed Town!" "Ooh, look! He combined multiple thoughts into a single post!" You expect me to believe that's what it looks like when Rels is scumhunting? Sorry buddy, I've watched you scumhunt before. Yes I think having different subjects in your first post of the game is something scum does more often than town.
Why ? 'cause it's difficult for scum (especially newbie scum) to first post.
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Alright going to sleep very happy. Good night. (=
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Alright first thing about actions:
If I was cop I would check noobking. If I was vig I would shoot Flexes.
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@noobking:
On July 26 2015 10:57 n00bKing wrote: Rels does not belong in that group because he doesn't use any of the clear and specific reasoning seen from the other people in the group. His vote just sorta...ends up there. Quote please. Can't wait to see you providing a source TBH.
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Now a few scummy things noobking did since EOD.
1. noobking attacked my credibility on voting Barakos
On July 26 2015 10:57 n00bKing wrote: Rels does not belong in that group because he doesn't use any of the clear and specific reasoning seen from the other people in the group. His vote just sorta...ends up there. Which is why I agree that Rels is one of the most likely bussers, if Barakos was intentionally bussed. (More on that later.) But, as TT pointed out in his post, my read-then-vote of Barakos is clearly stated in the thread. So noobking lied when he said I didn't "use any of the clear and specific reasoning seen from the other people in the group.".
2. noobking attacked my credibility as a player So, even if he reversed his read, he can still call me a bad player so other people are less inclined in trusting me.
On July 26 2015 11:06 n00bKing wrote: If I've been warm and jokey, then I wasn't just too friendly with Barakos. I've been friendly with a lot of people. Except Rels. Fuck Rels. :D
On July 26 2015 11:33 n00bKing wrote: But the content of Rels' posts is still just as terrible, and his version of events during our prior discussions is still just as difficult for me to believe.
On July 26 2015 10:57 n00bKing wrote: Rels does not belong in that group because he doesn't use any of the clear and specific reasoning seen from the other people in the group. His vote just sorta...ends up there.
3. Claims his pushing on me makes no sense as scum
On July 26 2015 11:19 n00bKing wrote: My push on Rels makes no sense at all from a Scum perspective, now that we know Barakos was Scum. If Barakos had flipped Town, then fine. Me wasting all my time chasing after Rels could serve a Scum agenda. But if Barakos and I are both Scum? It does NOT.
You had your vote on Moosy, Ticktock had his vote on Moosy. Sulfurus had Moosy as a scumread, and so did someone else (Breshke, maybe? Not sure right now, and not going to look it up. The important thing is that there was someone else.) The Scum play there is to go after Moosy, instead of giving him the null-to-somewhat-Town read that I did. No one else ever listed Rels as a top Scum suspect. No one else ever voted against Rels. And two players said (in no uncertain terms) that they would not be willing to participate in a lynch of Rels. But I kept at it, instead of taking down Moosy, when all the while, my scumbuddy Barakos is over there twisting in the wind? This is WIFOM. On noobking can WIFOM it all he wants, the way he's pushing me is suspicious.
4. ruxxar's interrogation
On July 26 2015 14:27 ruXxar wrote: Sulfurous brought up a curious point though, why did n00b switch his vote from rels to barakos when he thought rels was scummier?
Conclusion noobking is scummy as fuck. When day 2 starts, I'll read carefully his filter to see if I want to push him hard or not.
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