EPTMight still end up being him. Him being Top 2 doesn't mean he isn't Top 1. The other in the Top 2 is NocturneMage. I need to read back through a couple of parts of the game that he backreferences in his Day 2 posts. I don't expect Breshke to be able to knock either of these out of the Top 2. (Though again, Scott would, if he's counter-claimed.)
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Might still end up being him. Him being Top 2 doesn't mean he isn't Top 1. The other in the Top 2 is NocturneMage. I need to read back through a couple of parts of the game that he backreferences in his Day 2 posts. I don't expect Breshke to be able to knock either of these out of the Top 2. (Though again, Scott would, if he's counter-claimed.) | ||
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YOU DIDN'T. I posted that my list is a match for Damdred's before you made that post. You just DON'T READ. | ||
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On July 30 2015 00:37 Rels wrote: - scott's breadcrumb was siiiick! Did you fail to notice that it is no less sick if he's Scum than if he's Town? (Probably. Failing to notice stuff has kinda been your thing in this game.) On July 30 2015 00:37 Rels wrote:- the people instantly switching from scott when he claimed are town I'm pretty sure: TT(-_-), moosy, disfo. Dumb thing to say, when you've even admitted that Scott's allegiance isn't known, and have told the Vigilante to shoot him. (Which is indeed the correct play for the Vigilante.) On July 30 2015 00:37 Rels wrote:- on the other hand, noobking's position is so weird. A little bit of sceptisism is OK, but saying he's willing to lynch scott over TT 10 minutes before deadline (which would mean NocturneMage is cop BTW) is super suspicious. Plus when I asked him his reasons, he said scott's claim was "illogical" ... WTF It does NOT mean NocturneMage is the Cop. You are wrong, as usual. Breshke could just as easily be the Cop, as he was afk during that same time-frame. This has already been mentioned before, but you DON'T READ. And there is NOTHING weird about my position. I said Scott's claim was "illogical" for all of the reasons that it WAS illogical. It is hilarious (pathetic, but hilarious) that this is like the 5th different time now that you've tried to bash me for having skepticism about Scott's claim. Yet you don't have A THING to say to this guy: On July 29 2015 06:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##unvote ##Vote scott31337 There is no way flexes has sent in a check. Impossible. On July 29 2015 06:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: It doesnt make any sense at all. The dude is in the middle of writing a reads post. He disappears, as a cop. He never comes back, gets replaced. BUT HE HAS SOMEHOW SENT IN A COP CHECK?!?!?! rofl On July 29 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont believefor a second scott is cop. You are allowing your intense bias to blind you every step of the way. Identical behavior from two players, and you jump all over it from one of them, yet have no reservations continuing to consider the other confirmed Town. You are also failing to notice that (just like everything else I've done the entire game) there is NO scum motivation for me to try and get Scott lynched there, even if he's the real Cop. A lynched Cop is not any better for the Mafia than an outed Cop. There is no reason at all to work so hard to try and save Ticktock when he turned out to be Town. The Scum would probably be better off having Ticktock out of the game than Scott out of the game, because Ticktock is more active. Right? Me trying to save a now-confirmed-Town Ticktock over a suspicious Cop (who is ZERO threat to the Scum team once he's outed anyway) is TOWN-INDICATIVE for me. Get it? | ||
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On July 30 2015 01:06 Rels wrote: noobking's explanation on me if cop not checking him is late and makes no sense Actually, it makes PERFECT sense. On July 30 2015 01:06 Rels wrote:I DONT understand how that explain the fact that I wouldn't check him if I was the cop. Can you (yes, you, reading this) read the quote above, then tell me if it made sense to you ? That would be much appreciated. And I don't understand how there could possibly be two people on this same Earth (you and ruXxar) who do not understand it. You tried to sit there and expect that people should make sense of your explanations of all your backtracking and double-speak, for how you mistook "VT" to mean "Townie" and how you accidentally said "prepared post" to mean something entirely different, and how it could somehow be plausible that when you say a bunch of remarks are all spontaneous, off-the-cuff reactions, the post that they're in could still be something that the author "thought long and hard before posting." Yet you can't make sense of the simple and basic truth that your posts rule you out as a Cop who would turn in a check on me. It is baffling. | ||
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On July 30 2015 01:29 disformation wrote: Not sure why MoosyDoosy singled me out like this when like half the players have a list very similar to mine. Like Damdred just posted his version 1 page ago. Pocketing/Buddying attempt? Prolly getting paranoid. Getting less sure about Breshke and Sulfurus. Is it NocturneMage and 1 of n00bKIng or MoosyDoosy? How would it be possible for me to be Scum, disformation? How can that reality exist, given the way that the game has played out? Are you just going to plaster a big "WIFOM" sticker over every single instance where I've done something that is detrimental to the Scum win condition? I knew Ticktock had to be Town because he and I had been step-for-step so much of the way, and there's NO chance that a Scum Ticktock plays against his own agenda so many times, in so many ways. There isn't enough WIFOM in the world to explain away all the things that he did (and I've done) that would have brought the Mafia closer to defeat, if either of us were on the team. I would really like to hear someone explain why, if I were Mafia, I would continuously be putting the dagger in my own heart. Is there even any theory at all for how that's possible, that can't simply be summarized as "WIFOM" and nothing more? | ||
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On July 30 2015 01:54 Rels wrote: Didn't think I said it was town indicative. Reading a few filters ... no I didn't. The implication is clear, from you saying that the people switching from Scott when he claimed are Town. Would you like to backtrack and self-contradict on this, too? On July 30 2015 01:54 Rels wrote:LOL you're not reading the posts you're quoting. Are you reading any posts at all? Except for a short moment of clarity, when you understood that all of your arguments against me were hollow and empty, you have generally shown no awareness of what is going on in the game, whatsoever. Here was that moment: Rels wrote: I wrote a big post saying how he was mafia for a tons of reasons, and when I reread it before posting I realize most of it was nonsense. I'm pretty happy I did not post it. I mean, read his last posts. He got progressively angry and started using majs. Mafia are usually calmer than that. Note that you thinking "Maybe n00bKing is the Cop" does not even BEGIN to explain that post. There were many, many ways for you to know that most of what you had typed up was "nonsense." None of them had anything to do with the possibility of me being Cop. Do not lie to me again, and try to tell me that the only reason you completely backed off of your suspicions of me, was that you thought I might be the Cop. On July 30 2015 00:37 Rels wrote: So you and rayn doubting scott's claim is good. But you wanna know why this if false ? Here is rayn final answer to the situation: Here is yours: That is not comparing apples to apples. You are distorting reality, to try and force it to fit your bias. You mentioned that I said Scott's claim was "illogical" and you said "WTF." That means you're indicating that the claim was not illogical. So I showed you 3 posts from rayn where it is clear that he understands Scott's claim is ILLOGICAL. So argue with both of us, and not just me, or shut up about it already. You can't say "WTF" to me calling it illogical without saying "WTF" about him. The fact that I would have saved Ticktock over the illogical claim and rayn would lynch Ticktock over the illogical claim is (as I said) not remotely an apples to apples comparison. rayn is comparing the illogical claim to his TOP Scum read, Ticktock. I am comparing the illogical claim to my extremely strong TOWN read, Ticktock. And even though Ticktock had been rayn's #1 Scum read all day before the claim, it STILL took a while for him to decide to not lynch Scott. That shows you just how illogical the claim is. You completely ignored the part of my post where I corrected you, and said that Breshke could also be the real Cop. Why did you lie and say that only NocturneMage could be the real Cop, and then sweep the true and correct situation under the rug? I continue to provide good information for the Town to use, and you continue to obstruct it. On July 30 2015 01:54 Rels wrote: This is soooo false. scott if he lives is confirmed town, so he has to be shot or be a confirmed town in LYLO. TT if he lives ... is still suspicious and can be lynched. You are soooo bad at thinking. Ticktock if he lives is "still suspicious?" Ticktock was NEVER suspicious. And he's much more likely to be an asset to the Town than Scott is. There is no question that if I were Scum, I would rather see Ticktock lynched there than Scott. Not only because Ticktock is more dangerous as a player, but also because if Ticktock flips Town, then the fact that he and I shared one mind this game is Town-indicative for ME. If I'm Scum, I can't WAIT for Ticktock to be lynched. Not to mention the fact that Scott was NEVER who I was trying to lynch at EoD in the first place. Did you forget that too? Or is that just something else you DIDN'T READ? I specifically said I wasn't comfortable lynching Scott without a counterclaim, and listed off the players that I would rather lynch instead. Would I still lynch him before Ticktock, though? Hell yes. Because Ticktock can't be helping me attack the Mafia at every turn, and himself be Mafia. Mafia does not play against their own win condition that often and that long. He could only be Town, sure as I can only be Town. Scott did NOT have to be Town, because his claim was illogical. | ||
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On July 30 2015 01:58 ruXxar wrote: No one is getting your explanation about rels n00bking, so how about you explain it again. I'm sure you're wrong. I bet the hosts get my explanation just fine. I bet everyone in Obs gets my explanation just fine. I bet there are other players in the game right now who will get my explanation just fine, and just haven't seen it yet. Or who get it just fine, and simply haven't said so, because they would rather talk about other things. Far as I know, you and Rels are the only people on Earth who don't get it. On July 30 2015 01:58 ruXxar wrote: 1) If you are scum, and know there is a cop in the game you can be very confident that you will not be checked by rels. OBVIOUSLY. On July 30 2015 01:58 ruXxar wrote:- Why? Give a clear answer. Because his suggestions to the Cop included only ONE name, and I was that name. This is common sense, ruXxar. You asked me earlier to talk to you like you were 5. If you were 5, I still expect you to understand why Rels the Cop has a 0% chance of turning in a check on me in Night 1. 0.00% On July 30 2015 01:58 ruXxar wrote:2) There is a very low chance that rels is cop. That is not what I said. I can't even count the number of times that you and Rels have now tried to tell me I said something that I absolutely, positively never said. The strongest verbiage I would have ever used is "unlikely." Nothing anywhere near the ballpark of very low. And as I have reminded you of twice (and even went and found the post for you about it!) I went OUT OF MY WAY to make sure it was clear that I was saying Rels could ABSOLUTELY still be the Cop, in any scenario where I am not Scum. (I knew better, but I made sure they would have no idea as to why that might be.) On July 30 2015 01:58 ruXxar wrote:These are the answers you gave to these questions so far, and they don't explain anything: 1) This doesn't explain why it's stupid. Sure it does. That explains everything fully and perfectly. Whoever wrote that explanation has common sense, and is using it (which is all that is needed here). On July 30 2015 01:58 ruXxar wrote: Also rels still got role-blocked, so someone must've believed he was the cop. WHY? Yes, it is *possible* that the Mafia thought Rels might be the Cop, even though I had reason to believe otherwise. They can't be sure that Rels the Cop does not exist, they can only be sure that Rels the Cop would not turn in a check on n00bKing. Nothing else. But them roleblocking him does not ensure that they believed he was the Cop. And we've already covered the alternative explanation ad nauseam. On July 30 2015 01:58 ruXxar wrote:2) No explanation of why it's a low chance that he's cop. You didn't explain why there is a low chance he's cop BECAUSE it's damaging to town. Again, low chance is not what I said. But yes, I did not explain why he was unlikely to be the Cop because the explanation would be damaging to the Town. If I explain why I believe that Rels ain't no power role in this game, then the Mafia can look at my reasoning and be like "Yeah, that adds up. He's probably right, Rels ain't no power role in this game." That's NOT information I want them to have. So I can't (and didn't) go into the details. | ||
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On July 30 2015 01:59 Rels wrote: Even if you believe I'm lying, you understand what I'm saying : that I used prepared post for post that is prepared before posting, etc. Let me clarify yet again. I don't just believe/think/suspect that you're lying. You lied. And your retcon is dumb. It never made sense. It never will make sense. On July 30 2015 01:59 Rels wrote:In your situation, I am cop. I said I would check you. I didn't check you. As naturally you would not. Common sense. | ||
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On July 30 2015 03:02 Rels wrote: So you misrepresentated my position. Nope. I repeat, "the implication is clear." On July 30 2015 03:02 Rels wrote:I wrote a shit case. A few points were good though, but they were all explaind by you being cop. Yes I completely backed off my suspicions of you 'cause I thought you were cop I don't believe you. I think you knew that there were other reasons (besides the possibility I could be Cop) to believe I am Town, and you just don't want to admit it anymore, because it hurts your chances of getting the lynch you've decided you want. And this, after I SPECIFICALLY asked you not to lie to me about it. My feelings are hurt. On July 30 2015 03:02 Rels wrote: Breshke posted this 25 minutes before deadline: Hadn't ever seen that post before. Looks like it came in seconds before my WoT about why Ticktock has to be Town. So once my post went up, his got pushed off the top of my screen. So I'm not sure who said the only people that can counterclaim Scott are Mage and Breshke, and am not sure when they said it. But I just assumed that was true, as I haven't re-read Breshke yet. Apparently Mage is the only possible Cop if Scott is fakeclaiming. I find it funny that in your entire diatribe, the ONE and only thing you were right about, is the one thing you failed to respond to. And I had to bring it back up again myself, in order that it could be shown that I was wrong. I guess that doesn't sound like anything a Mafia player would do, huh? But anyway, it seems that I was mistaken about Breshke being a possible counterclaim for Mage, so I will withdraw that statement. Because see, this is what a TOWN player does when they turn out to be mistaken about something. As opposed to covering it up with a lie, and then standing by that lie for the entire rest of the game, like someone else we know. | ||
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On July 30 2015 03:42 ruXxar wrote: This is not an explanation. Of course it is. You don't have to like an explanation for it to be one. You don't have common sense? Okay. But the fact remains: 0.00% chance that Rels the Cop turns in a check on me. I'm not going to discuss this anymore. There is no chance in hell that check was ever going to happen, after what he posted. And no chance in hell that I (as Scum) could possibly fear it was going to happen, after what he posted. Rels being roleblocked is potent proof that I am Town. On July 30 2015 03:42 ruXxar wrote:We already have our 2 power role claims. Unless you are EXACTLY the cop, there is no reason you can't tell us. I was speaking of that moment. I can't (and didn't) go into the details at that moment. As for "already have our 2 claims"...what's the matter, ruXxar? Are you scum, and know that Scott is the Cop? And won't be counterclaimed by NocturneMage because he is your scumbuddy? Because that seems to me to be THE ONLY way for you to know that we don't have any more roleclaims coming. Additionally, I am STRONGLY reminded of this post: Am I here to train you in the strategies that I use to identify power roles, which enabled me to determine that Rels wasn't one? I would somehow have incentive to try and teach you what I know, after you mocked me the last time I tried to help you learn something? It's not like you and Rels are displaying any capacity to absorb knowledge anyway. Go ahead, ask me again, what methodology I used to rule out Rels as a power role. | ||
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On July 30 2015 04:15 ruXxar wrote: That's fine, I'll never town-read you until you manage to explain it to me. Put yourself in my shoes. Why in the hell would I explain anything else to you, ever again? I've explained things and explained things, and explained things, and nothing ever penetrates. You just come back (EVERY time) with "Durrrr....I still don't understand!" So this is just another thing that I could explain until I'm blue in the face, and you'll either (by some miracle) still not get it, if you're Town, or pretend to not get it, if you're Scum. Moosy had the right attitude toward you all along. I'm ashamed that it took me longer to figure it out than it did for him. Remember when I said I wanted you to play in my 4th Newbie game, so my mind could be blown by the notion that someone who plays like you do could be listed as a "veteran" player? I changed my mind. Please do not participate in my 4th Newbie game. And Dear Mafia, Remember how I asked you to not kill me on Night 1, because it was my birthday? I changed my mind about that too. PLEASE kill me on Night 2. | ||
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On July 30 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote: I asked the thread for ANYONE else to explain why what you said makes sense. NO ONE spoke up. Firstly, under no circumstances can that be my fault, instead of their fault. Complain to them, not to me. Secondly, maybe they also realized that trying to explain something to you is an exercise in futility. | ||
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On July 30 2015 04:27 MoosyDoosy wrote: ^ lol thanks for realizing n00bKing. At a certain point ruXxar will refuse to listen and everything you do just becomes confirmation bias. If there was ever a king of tunneling, that person was toppled the moment that ruXxar entered TL Mafia. And then of course ruXxar gets confused when I start saying stuff like "I'm Mafia please kill me". It just gets tiring after you slam yourself into a brick wall and get nothing in return. So much to the extent that it's much more preferable to just get lynched and not put a proper effort into defending yourself as it'll amount to nothing in the end. Amen. | ||
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On July 30 2015 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is obviously a smart guy. he is not playing smart. i cant explain it better. Oh, I was playing plenty smart. And while your Day 2 lynch target was godawfully wrong, I still bet mine (Sulfurus) was right on the money. And if you want to switch your lynch target to me, you'll still be godawfully wrong. And for the SAME (incredibly strong) reasons, too, which will be the most embarrassing part. You placed me in "totes Townpile" which you said was even better than Townpile! Then said you couldn't understand how anyone could scumread me. And then eventually you decided that maybe you had an association case for me and Ticktock. Yes, yes! Ticktock and n00b, that's the team! And then he flipped...Town. "n00bKing is Town, Town, Town, TOWN, Town!" "n00bKing is Scum with Ticktock!" [Ticktock flips Town] "Screw it, n00bKing is still Scum anyway!" Okay. | ||
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On July 30 2015 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: the town case on TT 10mins before the deadline explains it. all the day he has been talking about making a big town case. He makes it when it does not matter any more. lol, jesus, are there ANY players in this game that are NOT willing to tell blatant lies just to try and make their (mistaken) point? It was NOT 10 minutes before the deadline, it was 25 minutes before the deadline. Which was more than adequate, as nearly everyone was here to read it, digest it, and make a judgment. And the reason I hadn't done it earlier is because until that point, it didn't look like it would be necessary! Scott had a runaway lead in the votes when I went to lunch. Only after his claim does Ticktock get into trouble again. | ||
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On July 30 2015 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: also his vote was on scott (un ccd cop). figure that put. damdred you are not stupid. SO WAS YOURS. LOL | ||
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On July 30 2015 04:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: he literally does that after damdred says "we are not changing this, no mafia shenanigans"!. if you know anything about mafia, you say shit when it's relevant, you do not try to change lynches 10min before the deadline if you have a chance to do that earlier. Third time you've told the same lie. | ||
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On July 30 2015 04:40 ruXxar wrote: Exactly this. His push on rels was so bad I couldn't believe n00bking is doing this. The push on Rels is only bad if I'm Scum, and am burying Barakos. That's THE ONLY scenario where my case against Rels is something I should never, EVER be doing. Is if I'm Scum. But good news! Barakos flipped Red. And you're an idiot. | ||
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On July 30 2015 06:14 ruXxar wrote: N00bking, what do you think of this post? Not impressed. He doesn't even touch on the common sense truth that the reason we know Rels the Cop would never turn in a check on me on Night 1 is because he said that's exactly what he would do if he was the Cop, and gave no alternate suggestions. I have never seen an investigative role do something like that. I WILL never see an investigative role do something like that. If Rels is the Cop, I'm not getting checked on Night 1. PERIOD. | ||
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