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How ]On July 07 2015 14:26 rsoultin wrote:
oh i see why you're voting geript, oats...reminds me of bats lol >< it's just as flawed as that was, though[/QUOTE]
How in the world do you have a town read on geript????
Or how do you not have a scum read on him.
I think that there are at least like 3 people scummier than milo, and I think he's town for not mentioning his vote on geript. That's what townies do. Yay contradiction.
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On July 07 2015 14:34 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 14:28 Holyflare wrote:
It's pretty sad that you're playing this game quite blatantly to spite people if you are town since you are repeatedly asked questions or are provided with responses that you never use. I don't think you are a spiteful person and are very likely mafia. I'm not spiting anyone. Almost every question I've asked has had a purpose. Some of it has led to something, some of it has not. Anyway, I recently learned that I might not be here for End of Day tomorrow. So it appears that I will need to thought dump tonight.
So why ask for responses about your ls case and then clearly be around and ignore it?
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On July 07 2015 14:42 geript wrote:
Not Voting (13): Scott31337, WaveofShadow, ritoky, Meapak_Ziphh, Trfel, LightningStrike, KelsierSC, milo109, Oatsmaster, Damdred, XEliteBlueHunter69X, Harkon, Clarity_nl
FWIW, there's probably a good amount of mafia in this group right here. Interesting how similar it is to my "not town reads" list.
nor is it entirely accurate, but that's neither here nor there
eh i'm not going to pretend i have a read on oats. i saw reasons for his reads/pushes, though, at least to a minimal extent in his filter
if it's between him and truffle i'm voting for him
i think i'd be happier with milo though, in all honesty
what's your read on milo?
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On July 07 2015 14:41 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 14:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
[QUOTElike youOn July 07 2015 14:17 geript wrote:
Let's talk about Oats. When does Oats not have a reason to vote for someone? Yes the reason's almost always a shitty one, but he always has it. Second, when does Oats not make a dumbass Omgus argument at some point early.
Just saying folks. It's pretty easy. Oh sorry, you need a reason why your play is scummy? How about doing nothing but continously call someone mafia but not actually trying to convince people I'm mafia. Doing nothing but this the whole day. Yeah, you can die. [/B]
That's right Oats. I've never said anything to push you or made any arguments against you the whole time. Keep on lying bro, cuz you about to get your ass lynched.[/QUOTE]
Go on, quote all your "arguments" and tell me as an unbiased 3rd party if they are convincing and if it looks like you really care about me being lynched.
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On July 07 2015 14:32 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:16 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? First off, that's one word dumbass. Second the word investigator means nothing to me. It shouldn't to anyone. It's fucking stupid. Roles are listed in the op. despite the nastiness, this is still very true. like literally listed in the op. exactly as they'd appear in pm. it's not a good way to determine anyone's alignment
@oats
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Rsoul, how in the world am I mafia. You have given no reasons but I'm somehow your second top scumread what shit is that. Bullshit.
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also am not and have never been a fan of the too scummy to be scum argument -_- ftr
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On July 07 2015 14:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rsoul, how in the world am I mafia. You have given no reasons but I'm somehow your second top scumread what shit is that. Bullshit.
you're not?
"if it is between truffle and oats" literally means "if it is between truffle and oats" just as "i'm not going to pretend that i have a read on oats" literally means i don't have a read on you
so yes, it is 100% bullshit that you're my second top scumread lol ><
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Oats, why did who HF was responding to matter enough to make you ask?
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@trfel: please respond to what HF posted here:
On July 07 2015 13:58 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 12:30 Holyflare wrote:LS's filter is SCUMMY. Read it. I can link a dozen posts that raised my eyebrow. Whether you are town or mafia, your job is to build narratives. The question is which are the most convincing. I didn't think Trfel's was particularly convincing, but at least he is offering up a thread that we can then weight. This does not answer the point at all and is most concerning. I do not care if he builds a narrative on LS. I care that he earlier said LS is not scum after reading LS' filter. Nothing had happened since then. Trfel then returns and asks LS a question about Ritoky. Suddenly Trfel's read on LS changes to LS being mafia. Then he posts a case on LS and none of the things in the case on LS being mafia contain the questions about Ritoky. So why is his case a different version than his opinion in the thread? This is a good post. This post should be answered. Unfortunately for HF he would make this post as either alignment so he only gets half the credit he deserves for it.
thanx.
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On July 07 2015 14:55 ritoky wrote:@trfel: please respond to what HF posted here: Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 13:58 ritoky wrote:On July 07 2015 12:30 Holyflare wrote:LS's filter is SCUMMY. Read it. I can link a dozen posts that raised my eyebrow. Whether you are town or mafia, your job is to build narratives. The question is which are the most convincing. I didn't think Trfel's was particularly convincing, but at least he is offering up a thread that we can then weight. This does not answer the point at all and is most concerning. I do not care if he builds a narrative on LS. I care that he earlier said LS is not scum after reading LS' filter. Nothing had happened since then. Trfel then returns and asks LS a question about Ritoky. Suddenly Trfel's read on LS changes to LS being mafia. Then he posts a case on LS and none of the things in the case on LS being mafia contain the questions about Ritoky. So why is his case a different version than his opinion in the thread? This is a good post. This post should be answered. Unfortunately for HF he would make this post as either alignment so he only gets half the credit he deserves for it. thanx. In the event that I'm wrong about LightningStrike, answering this question would be the most harmful thing I could possibly do for town. And I guess I'm not convinced enough about LightningStrike to do that. If it means I get lynched for it, so be it.
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I absolutely will provide content tonight. I'll start with a defense of the points raised against me, and then move to thoughts on a bunch of people (including Holyflare). But it's likely going to take me a very, very long time to finish, so I'm sorry about that.
I can't (and won't) blame anyone for lynching me.
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On July 07 2015 14:44 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 14:34 Trfel wrote:On July 07 2015 14:28 Holyflare wrote:
It's pretty sad that you're playing this game quite blatantly to spite people if you are town since you are repeatedly asked questions or are provided with responses that you never use. I don't think you are a spiteful person and are very likely mafia. I'm not spiting anyone. Almost every question I've asked has had a purpose. Some of it has led to something, some of it has not. Anyway, I recently learned that I might not be here for End of Day tomorrow. So it appears that I will need to thought dump tonight. So why ask for responses about your ls case and then clearly be around and ignore it?
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On July 07 2015 10:49 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 09:41 Trfel wrote:LightningStrike- Responses to scumreads
+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 07:28 geript wrote:On July 06 2015 07:26 LightningStrike wrote:On July 06 2015 07:24 Holyflare wrote:
##vote trfel
Super over explained afk entry excuse post You already got a vote on someone like he's scum it not going to be just his entrance it would be for other things as the game goes on... Scum #2 I've caught. I not what are smoking bro? Weed? Crack? When he gets scumread by geript, he just says he's not scum, and then says that something must be impeding geript's ability to read him. He responds to geript's scumread, but without providing any content. He doesn't actually ask geript why he had this scumread, doesn't think about geript's alignment at all, and seemingly assumes that geript is town. Furthermore, I'm not used to LightningStrike being this aggressive in his wording. On July 06 2015 08:36 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:35 Breshke wrote:
I also really like damdreds read on LS here. The fact that you didn't meta scott straight away makes it more likely you are your lazy scum self LS
It always feels good sheeping damdred. Choo Choo
##Vote Lightningstrike I not scum what are you and Damdred smoking? Cocaine? Weed? Alcohol? Jesus Christ you are bad Breshke. Again, he's really aggressive about the claim, and assumes that Breshke is town. There are more examples, they're all similar. Contrast this to other games, for example Himalayas: On June 17 2015 07:10 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum Really because I actually rolled scum so therefore you must be scum! + Show Spoiler + I've never seen LightningStrike respond to scumreads as aggressively as he has in this game.
- Changes his play in response to pressure, early townread on Damdred
+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
If you dislike playing mafia with anyone play voice mafia with them you 100% love those people later.
Ls what do you make of Scott asking rs for her read on you so early? Any experiences with him? Pretty weird esp because rsoultin said last game she can't read me well but she still had a town lean on me there. I had played with scott before but only when he was scum O_o On July 06 2015 07:48 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 07:47 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:On July 06 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
If you dislike playing mafia with anyone play voice mafia with them you 100% love those people later.
Ls what do you make of Scott asking rs for her read on you so early? Any experiences with him? Pretty weird esp because rsoultin said last game she can't read me well but she still had a town lean on me there. I had played with scott before but only when he was scum O_o Oh? I think I've played with town Scott once. But ls any other thoughts about him? Not much to go on him yet. This is his first discussion about reading people in this game. Damdred responds like this: On July 06 2015 07:55 Damdred wrote:
Maybe I'm expecting to much but you obviously are leaning one way on Scott currently and you have said that you played multiple times with him.
Usually you would throw that meta and five me a preliminary call now you just lazily tell me you don't have enough. Even if it is super early you do it as town a lot but never as scum. And LightningStrike responded like this: Which doesn't actually do anything to help his case. "Hey LightningStrike, you're scum because you didn't do this." "Okay, I did it, am I cool now?" On July 06 2015 08:10 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:09 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:08 LightningStrike wrote:On July 06 2015 08:05 Damdred wrote:
@ rs maybe your new read should go in the trash the damdred train is going past the ls lynch this day. Na her read on me is correct maybe your LS reading machine is overheating from last game thus not working correctly? Also on the note about scott: As scum seems to be more obvious as the game progresses I only skimmed some of his filter from his last two town games and I still need more posts from him to determine his alignment by meta. do you have any town at this point? Damdred even if he's wrong on me I see Town Damdred this game. The townread on Damdred feels very out of place. This is the only read he's made to this point in the game. Also, note the wording, he says "if" instead of "though". LightningStrike ought to know that he is town... On July 06 2015 11:18 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 11:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 11:13 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 11:06 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 11:04 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 10:57 Damdred wrote:
I'm back.
Kel I don't get it, you really like my points on ls which I feel is really strong and getting stronger by the second.
But instead you judge me based on the structure of a town read and don't even mention the ls read that you liked? That's kind of strange how i like to read you and rsoul is how you read eachother, your town read on her is less developed than usual i cant explain that shit. so i liked the ls case, but ls....like i just fucking hate whenever he types so if i ignore all that shit and try to play outside of that id ont like you make sens I'm not sure I follow 100%. example if you don't like a town read that's ok, but you like another read is developed with support you want to discard because you don't like him anyway? So you don't like me. that doesn't make sense and you are discarding part of my game play for no real reason it feels uneven and unnecessary coming from you im basically not sure i believe your LS read anymore and anything connected to LS is always slightly aids so im looking at your rs read and it doesnt feel as good im not 100% i just dont like you in my gut i guess it dpeends what ls does What does it even mean that my RS read didn't feel as good? Not as condensed as assassins where I had to be vs different here and the last game I played in? So you are scum reading me (sorta) on style rather than content? And you don't think my Ks read is good anymore when he is 100% still going against meta? well..it is like this. scott apparently has few games played and LS did explain the read of like "oh you get him later" LS is...well like you never know wtf is happening. so i think a few pages its hard to say well fuck yeh he is lazy...it just doesnt feel good...fuck i cant explain that properly so i feel like your LS scum is dishonest and your rsoul is town feels like a cheap rsoul is town comparitively Damdred is wrong about my alignment and Damdred does normally rsouls alignment correctly but he wrong on my alignment this game but that wont make him scum if he is scum. And it continues. He doesn't take any effort to explain this Damdred read at all. And he's so aggressive towards others who scumread him. It feels like he just townread Damdred to appease him. When LightningStrike finally gives a reason for townreading Damdred (in his list post), it's because Damdred is putting in effort. Which wasn't the case when LightningStrike first gave his townread of Damdred.
- Meek tone when asking people for reads
+ Show Spoiler +One of LightningStrike's most commonly asked questions to people is "what are your reads, please?" On July 06 2015 08:41 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:
hi, i am town. i will be back when relevant information is being posted. bye. Drive By Posting seems common this game O_o Normally, I would expect LightningStrike to ask a question to ritoky, such as "When you return, please share your reads" or something like that. In the Himalayas game, he asked this question very early on. But here, he just comments. No question, no conclusion, just a comment. On July 06 2015 11:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Also Oats while you at it can you explain your reads on the people you quoted please? On July 06 2015 12:30 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 12:29 milo109 wrote:
Alright you people are boring. I'll be back in the morning. When you wake up care to give me your thoughts? On July 06 2015 22:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Good morning Tina any thoughts you would like to share? Compare this to Assassination Mafia: On May 11 2015 21:57 LightningStrike wrote:
@Marv: What are your current reads?
@Palmar: Thoughts so far in the thread? On May 14 2015 06:13 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 05:57 Damdred wrote:
Sorry been afk had a hell of a day. Should cat h up and be productive shortly When you are caught up can I have your reads please? On May 14 2015 22:47 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 22:46 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 13 2015 09:00 Hapahauli wrote:Final Day 1 Vote Count: Vivax (8) - BlazingHand, Marvellosity, Xatalos, Half The Sky, KelsierSC, TalkingDead, Justanothertownie, Oatsmaster, Xatalos (2) - Vivax, LightningStrike Rsoultin (1) - Onegu Palmar (1) - RebirthOfLegend Sandroba (2) - Palmar, Batsnacks BlazingHand (7) - rsoultin, Sandroba, Yamato77, ObiWanShinobi, Damdred, Trfel, GlowingBear, Just for informational purposes. Hello VE thoughts so far on everyone? There's a very clear difference in tone between these games. On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.
Kel is a town lean.
I'm town, this is a good start Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all. Here's a counter-example from Himalayas. However, I haven't seen LightningStrike play like this as town before, and it still feels like his tone is more meek in this game than his other town games (even the Himalays quote). Furthermore, he's being more aggressive towards people who scumread him this game than in other games. Why is he more aggressive in response to scumreads, but more defensive when asking people for reads? It doesn't make sense.
There is one more reason, possibly the strongest reason. But I need to see what people think about this before I could consider sharing it. And no, I'm not going to say what it is at this time, so don't ask. Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 12:13 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 12:08 Holyflare wrote:
ah ye olde crack/weed/alcohol meta read lol apparently i'm not the first to think of it. it any good? it only just clicked for me last game it's pretty basic but works for him being town from my exp, i have another stupid meta read that i'm waiting on for him too  1st point is a town read like we've said and you should have seen if you were reading the thread 2nd point is just silly because he does that regularly, you can just look at any game and see he plays reactionary to appease people 3rd point you literally compare 2 quotes that are exactly the same and say they are different
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On July 07 2015 15:04 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 14:44 Holyflare wrote:On July 07 2015 14:34 Trfel wrote:On July 07 2015 14:28 Holyflare wrote:
It's pretty sad that you're playing this game quite blatantly to spite people if you are town since you are repeatedly asked questions or are provided with responses that you never use. I don't think you are a spiteful person and are very likely mafia. I'm not spiting anyone. Almost every question I've asked has had a purpose. Some of it has led to something, some of it has not. Anyway, I recently learned that I might not be here for End of Day tomorrow. So it appears that I will need to thought dump tonight. So why ask for responses about your ls case and then clearly be around and ignore it? On July 07 2015 15:01 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 14:55 ritoky wrote:@trfel: please respond to what HF posted here: On July 07 2015 13:58 ritoky wrote:On July 07 2015 12:30 Holyflare wrote:LS's filter is SCUMMY. Read it. I can link a dozen posts that raised my eyebrow. Whether you are town or mafia, your job is to build narratives. The question is which are the most convincing. I didn't think Trfel's was particularly convincing, but at least he is offering up a thread that we can then weight. This does not answer the point at all and is most concerning. I do not care if he builds a narrative on LS. I care that he earlier said LS is not scum after reading LS' filter. Nothing had happened since then. Trfel then returns and asks LS a question about Ritoky. Suddenly Trfel's read on LS changes to LS being mafia. Then he posts a case on LS and none of the things in the case on LS being mafia contain the questions about Ritoky. So why is his case a different version than his opinion in the thread? This is a good post. This post should be answered. Unfortunately for HF he would make this post as either alignment so he only gets half the credit he deserves for it. thanx. In the event that I'm wrong about LightningStrike, answering this question would be the most harmful thing I could possibly do for town. And I guess I'm not convinced enough about LightningStrike to do that. If it means I get lynched for it, so be it. I'm going to ignore you for a while.
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On July 07 2015 15:01 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 14:55 ritoky wrote:@trfel: please respond to what HF posted here: On July 07 2015 13:58 ritoky wrote:On July 07 2015 12:30 Holyflare wrote:LS's filter is SCUMMY. Read it. I can link a dozen posts that raised my eyebrow. Whether you are town or mafia, your job is to build narratives. The question is which are the most convincing. I didn't think Trfel's was particularly convincing, but at least he is offering up a thread that we can then weight. This does not answer the point at all and is most concerning. I do not care if he builds a narrative on LS. I care that he earlier said LS is not scum after reading LS' filter. Nothing had happened since then. Trfel then returns and asks LS a question about Ritoky. Suddenly Trfel's read on LS changes to LS being mafia. Then he posts a case on LS and none of the things in the case on LS being mafia contain the questions about Ritoky. So why is his case a different version than his opinion in the thread? This is a good post. This post should be answered. Unfortunately for HF he would make this post as either alignment so he only gets half the credit he deserves for it. thanx. In the event that I'm wrong about LightningStrike, answering this question would be the most harmful thing I could possibly do for town. And I guess I'm not convinced enough about LightningStrike to do that. If it means I get lynched for it, so be it.
How would it be detrimental to town? You said you read his filter and he was town, then there was people being idiots around my claim, then you said he was mafia; but everything you said made him mafia was stuff that you had already previously read in his filter. Is this an incorrect representation? Correct me if it is wrong. Aka, answer the post.
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Like.... You're given evidence that refutes the entirety of your case and you don't want to answer anything? What? Lol
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yeah going to bed
the people i was talking to apparently...don't care to talk -_- and i can't wait up for truffle
i still find milo's play pretty weird...i'd prefer him over an oats' lynch but will consolidate to oats...unless something in truffle's giant post makes me reconsider you're on your own for him though lol ><
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Actually I might understand why you flipped your read....bleh...I think I get it.
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