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On July 07 2015 20:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why is hf bussing trfel boxer?
Where am I saying that? Assuming you mean this here:
...Instead, my tinfoilhat senses tell me that he throws that out, wanting people to exactly think what HF just said. like, "you wouldn't do that as mafia". Erm, of course you would. That's the same thought that is behind bussing a teammate. Do something that seemingly does not make sense for your alignment, wait for some naive town to point it out (or a teammate to point it out if no town member does it) and boom, there you go. ...
I'm not saying I'm bussing, all it is is a comparison. Is that enough or should I elaborate?
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On July 07 2015 20:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 20:40 boxerfred wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 07 2015 20:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 20:28 Palmar wrote:On July 06 2015 12:46 ruXxar wrote:On July 06 2015 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
What has been said about clarity? The way that he hard defended holy fire and then used "but a mafia wouldn't do this" to excuse his actions. I think that sounds pre-planned. I got a scum vibe off that. This guy is town hero btw, I think I already said so. Found this looking for the clarity/WoS thing. But to be fair, WoS did try to somewhat defend Clarity. Although I don't know if that's exactly what marv meant with his thing. My point is this. So Clarity voted Wave at some stage. Wave originally said "clarity is town, tryhard as fuck" later when asked to elaborate on the read by HF, he said That's all that Wave says on Clarity. Clarity goes on to unvote Wave because "he talked a little about his townread on me" so he doens't like the lynch? How on earth is that Wave talking about the townread at all? This is the original reason Clarity voted Wave: Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
geript, still happy with your vote? Would love to have some reasoning.
In the mean time, WoS gave me a very lazy townread. I'd like to think I always look townie but not a lot of people seem to agree at this point so it smells like he has extra info.
##Vote WaveOfShadow And then Clarity unvotes Wave because Wave says "narp not gonna elaborate" with the explanation that Wave explains the read ? Really? ... Are you saying clarity is scum and in a team with WoS and they're playing pretty badly? Or are you "only" saying that clarity's unvote does not make any sense, is weak and has no reasoning? What's your conclusion? so look at the 4 quotes i just posted in order. Clarity votes in post #2. Wave's only comment on Clarity afterwards is #3 Clarity unvotes in #4, look at the reason. it's nonsensical.
Yes! But that being nonsensicel is "only" the observation. There's no conclusion. Like, if you say, "my window is wet", you observe it. The conclusion would be "well, it's raining". So what's your conclusion? Scum? Bad town play? Especially in light of the points I brought up against him earlier.
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On July 07 2015 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 20:43 boxerfred wrote:On July 07 2015 20:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why is hf bussing trfel boxer?
Where am I saying that? Assuming you mean this here: ...Instead, my tinfoilhat senses tell me that he throws that out, wanting people to exactly think what HF just said. like, "you wouldn't do that as mafia". Erm, of course you would. That's the same thought that is behind bussing a teammate. Do something that seemingly does not make sense for your alignment, wait for some naive town to point it out (or a teammate to point it out if no town member does it) and boom, there you go. ... I'm not saying I'm bussing, all it is is a comparison. Is that enough or should I elaborate? well they are both in your scumlist and you didnt say that if one was mafia the other was town. Is that the case? Can they both be mafia together?
Hm, good question. I think there's nothing like "If a on my list is scum, b on my listis town" yet. I can see the technical possibility in a HF + Trfel team but I don't have any indicators towards that.
On July 07 2015 20:37 boxerfred wrote:
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clarity_nl (voted on)
WaveOfShadow
Trfel
Holyflare
My read on HF is admittedly the weakest because it's a lot of #tinfoilhat stuff.
Trfel is on the brink on martyring and made a claim that isn't too great, however I'd prefer to not lynch into un-cc'ed blue.
WaveOfShadow has not put in any effort, spits out oneliners and is not contributing at all.
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On July 07 2015 20:46 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 20:45 boxerfred wrote:On July 07 2015 20:41 marvellosity wrote:On July 07 2015 20:40 boxerfred wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 07 2015 20:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 20:28 Palmar wrote:On July 06 2015 12:46 ruXxar wrote:On July 06 2015 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
What has been said about clarity? The way that he hard defended holy fire and then used "but a mafia wouldn't do this" to excuse his actions. I think that sounds pre-planned. I got a scum vibe off that. This guy is town hero btw, I think I already said so. Found this looking for the clarity/WoS thing. But to be fair, WoS did try to somewhat defend Clarity. Although I don't know if that's exactly what marv meant with his thing. My point is this. So Clarity voted Wave at some stage. Wave originally said "clarity is town, tryhard as fuck" later when asked to elaborate on the read by HF, he said That's all that Wave says on Clarity. Clarity goes on to unvote Wave because "he talked a little about his townread on me" so he doens't like the lynch? How on earth is that Wave talking about the townread at all? This is the original reason Clarity voted Wave: Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
geript, still happy with your vote? Would love to have some reasoning.
In the mean time, WoS gave me a very lazy townread. I'd like to think I always look townie but not a lot of people seem to agree at this point so it smells like he has extra info.
##Vote WaveOfShadow And then Clarity unvotes Wave because Wave says "narp not gonna elaborate" with the explanation that Wave explains the read ? Really? ... Are you saying clarity is scum and in a team with WoS and they're playing pretty badly? Or are you "only" saying that clarity's unvote does not make any sense, is weak and has no reasoning? What's your conclusion? so look at the 4 quotes i just posted in order. Clarity votes in post #2. Wave's only comment on Clarity afterwards is #3 Clarity unvotes in #4, look at the reason. it's nonsensical. Yes! But that being nonsensicel is "only" the observation. There's no conclusion. Like, if you say, "my window is wet", you observe it. The conclusion would be "well, it's raining". So what's your conclusion? Scum? Bad town play? Especially in light of the points I brought up against him earlier. my conclusion was that it makes Clarity mafia, except my evidence was incorrect.
Which sucks. I fear that the beautiful train will now derail.
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Wait I lost it. Can someone summarize how much of the "nonsensical unvote" thing is still valid?
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On July 07 2015 20:53 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 20:50 boxerfred wrote:On July 07 2015 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 20:43 boxerfred wrote:On July 07 2015 20:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why is hf bussing trfel boxer?
Where am I saying that? Assuming you mean this here: ...Instead, my tinfoilhat senses tell me that he throws that out, wanting people to exactly think what HF just said. like, "you wouldn't do that as mafia". Erm, of course you would. That's the same thought that is behind bussing a teammate. Do something that seemingly does not make sense for your alignment, wait for some naive town to point it out (or a teammate to point it out if no town member does it) and boom, there you go. ... I'm not saying I'm bussing, all it is is a comparison. Is that enough or should I elaborate? well they are both in your scumlist and you didnt say that if one was mafia the other was town. Is that the case? Can they both be mafia together? Hm, good question. I think there's nothing like "If a on my list is scum, b on my listis town" yet. I can see the technical possibility in a HF + Trfel team but I don't have any indicators towards that. On July 07 2015 20:37 boxerfred wrote:
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clarity_nl (voted on)
WaveOfShadow
Trfel
Holyflare
My read on HF is admittedly the weakest because it's a lot of #tinfoilhat stuff.
Trfel is on the brink on martyring and made a claim that isn't too great, however I'd prefer to not lynch into un-cc'ed blue.
WaveOfShadow has not put in any effort, spits out oneliners and is not contributing at all.
so your list only has 3 real mafia and one town then? also, are clarity and wave mafia together?
Read my posts before you ask such questions. However, I'll just answer one more time:
- no, my list has 4 real mafia. HF is only the weakest read, that is all.
- I have no idea if clarity and wave are mafia together. There's at least nothing that would make me thing "if wave is scum, clarity is town" or vice versa.
You can easily get such information from my post.
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ebwop: "think" instead of "thing"
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Oats' filter is full of useless garbage, too. Plus he's asking me strange questions that show that he didn't read too well. Chimes in every now and then which really looks like drive-by posting. Followed my clarity vote early on but switched to rsoul because of a pure bullshit "xP" theory.
I'll add Oats to my scum lean list.
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On July 07 2015 21:02 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 20:56 boxerfred wrote:On July 07 2015 20:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 20:50 boxerfred wrote:On July 07 2015 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 20:43 boxerfred wrote:On July 07 2015 20:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why is hf bussing trfel boxer?
Where am I saying that? Assuming you mean this here: ...Instead, my tinfoilhat senses tell me that he throws that out, wanting people to exactly think what HF just said. like, "you wouldn't do that as mafia". Erm, of course you would. That's the same thought that is behind bussing a teammate. Do something that seemingly does not make sense for your alignment, wait for some naive town to point it out (or a teammate to point it out if no town member does it) and boom, there you go. ... I'm not saying I'm bussing, all it is is a comparison. Is that enough or should I elaborate? well they are both in your scumlist and you didnt say that if one was mafia the other was town. Is that the case? Can they both be mafia together? Hm, good question. I think there's nothing like "If a on my list is scum, b on my listis town" yet. I can see the technical possibility in a HF + Trfel team but I don't have any indicators towards that. On July 07 2015 20:37 boxerfred wrote:
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clarity_nl (voted on)
WaveOfShadow
Trfel
Holyflare
My read on HF is admittedly the weakest because it's a lot of #tinfoilhat stuff.
Trfel is on the brink on martyring and made a claim that isn't too great, however I'd prefer to not lynch into un-cc'ed blue.
WaveOfShadow has not put in any effort, spits out oneliners and is not contributing at all.
so your list only has 3 real mafia and one town then? also, are clarity and wave mafia together? Read my posts before you ask such questions. However, I'll just answer one more time: - no, my list has 4 real mafia. HF is only the weakest read, that is all. - I have no idea if clarity and wave are mafia together. There's at least nothing that would make me thing "if wave is scum, clarity is town" or vice versa. You can easily get such information from my post. well no, if you think that trfel and HF cannot both be mafia, then your list has 3 mafia and 1 town. Do you think clarity and wave are mafia together? Yes or no?
dude
"I think there's nothing like "If a on my list is scum, b on my listis town" yet. I can see the technical possibility in a HF + Trfel team but I don't have any indicators towards that."
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well no, if you think that trfel and HF cannot both be mafia, then your list has 3 mafia and 1 town.
what a correct and useless statement.
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Also by technical possibility you mean its possible the host gave a mafia role to both hf and trfel right?
Yes.
So are clarity and wave mafia together?
yes/no?
Can be both, I don't know it for sure nor do I have an assumption.
You better deliver now an explanation for those totally useless and time stealing questions. It's really scummy.
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On July 07 2015 21:05 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 21:05 boxerfred wrote:well no, if you think that trfel and HF cannot both be mafia, then your list has 3 mafia and 1 town. what a correct and useless statement. If you are mad i post fluff, then I guess you are mad at pretty much the whole game.
Wait, you're actually admitting that your questions towards me are useless?
On July 07 2015 21:03 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 21:02 boxerfred wrote:
Oats' filter is full of useless garbage, too. Plus he's asking me strange questions that show that he didn't read too well. Chimes in every now and then which really looks like drive-by posting. Followed my clarity vote early on but switched to rsoul because of a pure bullshit "xP" theory.
I'll add Oats to my scum lean list. Lol nice oppurtunstic scumread . The xP theory is real. just wait and see that she flips mafia. regardless, how am I not reading too well? Can you quote things from your original posts that answer my questions?
You asked me questions that were totally useless and derailed the thread. Are you really wondering about why I just went through your filter? Why is my scumread on you opportunistic?
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On July 07 2015 21:10 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 21:07 Palmar wrote:On July 07 2015 21:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 21:02 boxerfred wrote:
Oats' filter is full of useless garbage, too. Plus he's asking me strange questions that show that he didn't read too well. Chimes in every now and then which really looks like drive-by posting. Followed my clarity vote early on but switched to rsoul because of a pure bullshit "xP" theory.
I'll add Oats to my scum lean list. Lol nice oppurtunstic scumread . Why do you think boxerfred is mafia Oats? OMGUS mainly. And this nonsensical scumread. Which comes cause I asked him some relevant questions but he bursts and just now mentions things he shouldve mentioned a lot earlier if he really thinks im mafia.
Wait wait wait. You say "I'll be mad for you because fluff" and you say the questions are relevant? How are the questions relevant? Explain.
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It's easy. I read you scum right now. If you want that to change, better explain why you ask useless questions or why those questions are not useless. Your choice. Gonna have a game of foosball now, brb 15 mins.
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On July 07 2015 21:13 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 21:08 boxerfred wrote:Also by technical possibility you mean its possible the host gave a mafia role to both hf and trfel right? Yes. So are clarity and wave mafia together?
yes/no? Can be both, I don't know it for sure nor do I have an assumption. You better deliver now an explanation for those totally useless and time stealing questions. It's really scummy. WELL I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK. WHY DONT YOU HAVE AN OPINION >.> actually its pretty scummy that you dont want to commit one way or another. If you make a scumlist, I am gonna assume that you think they are all on the same team. If so, I would like to know the connecting pieces. Especially for the 2 pairs you chose. Well if you think that hf and trfel are mafia together I would like to know why. same goes for clarity and wave considering they have significant interactions with each other.
Let me explain to you why this is utter bullshit.
Starting here:
WELL I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.
WHY DONT YOU HAVE AN OPINION >.>
I have written out what I think. I have explained every single point and left nothing open. When you asked, I elaborated. When you asked again, I elaborated again. Why do you want to know what I think if I said what I think in detail already? I don't understand that. I said what I think quite some time now.
Why do I not have an opinion on the potential scum pair that you mention? Because I cannot possibly tell if both of them are scum or not. When I say "look, those four are my top scum reads" then of course that implies that they can potentially be on the same team. There's only one scum team around. The only thing that is interesting in that context is if the alignment/flip of one would confirm the alignment of another one. That simply is not the case. I explained that to you, too.
I cannot answer anything more than that and can imagine a yes as well as a no. "Top scum read" does not mean "confirmed scum", how could I possibly know that.
actually its pretty scummy that you dont want to commit one way or another.
How is it scummy if I do not commit but instead explain very thoroughly why I don't? How is it scummy to say very clearly "your questions are bad and I don't see the sense in them but I still answer them"?
If you make a scumlist, I am gonna assume that you think they are all on the same team.
If so, I would like to know the connecting pieces.
That is a very strange thing you want. I made a scum list and explained very thoroughly why every single one of the guys is on that list. You want connecting pieces, go search some! As I said, I did not find indicators that would connect two or more of those guys. But so what? For each and every single one of the people on my list, I stated reasons. None of those reasons were defended so far by the way. Tell me, how could I possibly find the connecting pieces? Tell me, why wouldn't you put some effort in and search them instead of derailing the thread, asking useless questions?
Especially for the 2 pairs you chose.
Well if you think that hf and trfel are mafia together I would like to know why.
same goes for clarity and wave considering they have significant interactions with each other.
Cool that you'd like to know why. Thing is that I still (I think I repeat myself for the third or fourth time in this post alone) do not have indicators for anyone on that list being connected to someone else on that list. So no, I do not think that they are connected. But I also do not think they are not connected. That's what people call a "possibility".
Considering clarity and wave, if you read the last pages, you'd see that I am talking with marv about that. Shame that marv's theory (which was great) is apparently flawed.
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Your whole answer to me is a) bad, really bad town or b) scum. If I now take your filter into account, I mostly find useless oneliners, no consistency (besides useless oneliners), no pressure on anyone really, lots of drive-by posting. Welcome to my scum list. I'm totally fine seeing you hanged.
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On July 07 2015 21:25 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 19:40 boxerfred wrote:
I dont like first day claims at all. just creating more confusion and more "maybes". how serious were the cop claims btw? pure lel? Is this a joke? Why did you post this? The second bit.
I explained that already in the thread. Please do the work and go have a look for it.
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I also want to point out that I did not "choose 2 pairs". YOU chose those pairs, oats.
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Clarity, why do you claim the lie I caught you at, then say just now that you "tried to go away from the claim" although you said it's interesting in the first place? Makes no sense.
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Oh wow.
##unvote ##vote Oatsmaster
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On July 07 2015 22:06 Oatsmaster wrote:Lol now you vote. Ok mr I like tunnels.
I'm not tunneling. I'm still okay with voting in my top scum reads. However, you joined my top scum reads. I'd really like to see you lynched, I stated my reasons. Until you start defending, increase your contribution, stop your bullshit ("Ok mr I like tunnels.") and actually come up with some reasoned and valid posts - I'll vote you.
Ignoring you for now, you're really exhausting. You're not putting effort in, you're simply bad.
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