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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 17 2015 15:09 GMT
#7661
I think the HF lynch was quite uncomfortable for scum. I'm quite confident the first few people on it are town (if you wanna ignore WoS that's fine), which means that scum either had to waffle around umm-ing and ahh-ing or they jumped on the wagon later. Scum are always very self-conscious about where their vote is and if their reasoning makes sense, so they don't have the instinctual pounce that town players have, by the time they've thought things through there's 5 town on HF and they have to figure out where to go from there.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 17 2015 15:15 GMT
#7662
You all talk too much.
Just vote wave tomorrow.
Retired.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 17 2015 15:17 GMT
#7663
On July 18 2015 00:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
You all talk too much.
Just vote wave tomorrow.


Yeah you're right, let's not talk about the game and instead lynch the guy who's practically afk so that if/when he flips town we go into lylo with as little information as possible.

Good one.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 17 2015 15:21 GMT
#7664
i live in bizzaro world where some players in this game actually have breshke and obi as their top town reads, i better smile because im on candid camera :^)
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 17 2015 15:21 GMT
#7665
On July 18 2015 00:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On July 18 2015 00:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
You all talk too much.
Just vote wave tomorrow.


Yeah you're right, let's not talk about the game and instead lynch the guy who's practically afk so that if/when he flips town we go into lylo with as little information as possible.

Good one.


Your filter is somewhere along the lines of 30 pages and the game is almost 400+.
You talk too much.
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 17 2015 15:22 GMT
#7666
I have never been so fucking annoyed with a game of mafia in my life.
Retired.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 17 2015 15:27 GMT
#7667
8% of posts in a 25 man game where half the field is dead, hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Yeah you're right that does seem excessive compared to the field.

I too hate reading text in a mafia game.

Anyway, WoS is a terrible lynch today. Who do you wanna lynch instead?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 17 2015 15:31 GMT
#7668
No he isn't, he's a great lynch.
He's essentially a useless nonentity and he's going to be a burden to the town as long as he's alive.
Lynch him.
Retired.
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 17 2015 15:36 GMT
#7669
That ship has essentially sailed, although this is good i doubt mafia would want to be seen hard pushing wave atm
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 17 2015 15:56 GMT
#7670
On July 18 2015 00:36 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
That ship has essentially sailed, although this is good i doubt mafia would want to be seen hard pushing wave atm


I don't think this is true if town is heading in the right direction.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 17 2015 17:25 GMT
#7671
On July 18 2015 00:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On July 18 2015 00:36 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
That ship has essentially sailed, although this is good i doubt mafia would want to be seen hard pushing wave atm


I don't think this is true if town is heading in the right direction.


are we going in a direction? lol I see next day phase being a shit show.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21991 Posts
July 17 2015 17:26 GMT
#7672
If HTS is mafia she has a future in politics. I can't find anything that would point to her being a liar in her filter so far.

Proceeding.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21991 Posts
July 17 2015 18:28 GMT
#7673
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Rereading D1 I found this part to be pretty sketch. I hope you guys read this stuff carefully, it's probably the biggest effort I'm putting in since the game started.

Clarity gave an early scumread on WoS for WoS townreading him for no reason.

It all started with these posts, spoilered:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 06 2015 08:24 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far?



I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that.

trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times

Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet


do you have anymore town?



Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads.


ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent.

what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum?


I said we can't both be scum

Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful.


-squints at-

lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right?



You're replying a lot to me rsoultin but saying very little.

I think it makes sense. If HF and me are both scum, I feel we would basically never have that interaction a few minutes into day 1. Do you disagree?


On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far?



I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that.

trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times

Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet


do you have anymore town?



Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads.


ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent.

what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum?


I said we can't both be scum

Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful.



So now that we actually know HF's alignment, I'll think through the logic one could have behind making such a post.
Clarity had a clear intention of not scumreading HF past this point, he said he would fight against his lynch, and knowing now that HF was town that means he was making his assumption based on one of them being mafia. In this case himself.

It's a really odd assumption to make if you don't assume either of you to be mafia. This argument could have been made earlier but now that we have more information I actually have an easier time seeing this as valid.

Going a little deeper: If I know I'm town, and I think the other dude is town, I have no logical reason to argue that one of us is town if the other isn't. So I see a lack of motivation to even go ahead and make this argument unless I know I'm mafia.

To make it more clear, I'll paraphrase what he actually said: "I think HF is town cause both of us can't be mafia together, and I know I'm mafia so HF is town (left unsaid obviusly, but heavily implied)". That's the entire basis of his HF read. It literally leaks TMI, and doesn't have any justification whatsoever from a town perspective.




Here's what happened when clarity posted this stuff, his teammates immediately noticed it looking odd as fuck:

Damdred
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 06 2015 08:04 Damdred wrote:
Clarity if you haven't played with hf much who is arguably the best scum player on site. Why do you 100% lack any fear in reading him on precious few posts?


On July 06 2015 08:07 Damdred wrote:
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On July 06 2015 08:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:04 Damdred wrote:
Clarity if you haven't played with hf much who is arguably the best scum player on site. Why do you 100% lack any fear in reading him on precious few posts?



I wasn't aware he was arguably the best scum player on site, but I don't think it changes much.


Obviously my read on him can change, but based solely on his first post I will fight against his lynch today.


Why off one post? It doesn't make a lot of sense does it to totally eliminate one person based on an opening does it?


On July 06 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:
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On July 06 2015 08:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:33 Holyflare wrote:
considering you did 0 things, waves post is 0% correct and likely mafia wave



I knew I liked you.


Please answer my question.

Also this seems like an odd statement because a previous post read like you were really happy with wave? Just seems a weird postings


On July 06 2015 09:26 Damdred wrote:
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On July 06 2015 09:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 09:22 Damdred wrote:
On one level I really like the explanation even though it's super obvious.

On another though, you had to wait on hf to point it out and instantly sheeped it instead of taking it yourself. So it just feels weird



Uh.. He answered my question regarding WoS, if anything he sheeped me. Read again


Uhhh, so you leave an open ended question. Hf pushes wave is scum,because of a weak town read and you claim hf is sleeping you?

Yeah I don't buy that part. Like what would,of happened if,Geript,would,of pushed that wave was town first.

Obviously that's impossible,to,decide as it didn't happen but I just think it's a bit weird to me


On July 07 2015 01:33 Damdred wrote:
Well that took a bit to read a good amount of town reads from it sorta, these are the people id want to lynch today

Trfel
Ritoky
LIGHTNINGSTRIKE

these are my most wanted lynched obvious preference




Damdred ends up asking the questions and never actually pursuing clarity as he did everyone else he questioned like that. His concluding opinion on him is: "I just think it's a bit weird to me".

Kelsier:

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far?


On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far?



I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that.

trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times

Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet


do you have anymore town?



On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far?



I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that.

trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times

Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet


do you have anymore town?



Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads.


ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent.

what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum?



On July 06 2015 08:23 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far?



I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that.

trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times

Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet


do you have anymore town?



Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads.


ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent.

what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum?


I said we can't both be scum

Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful.


yeh i know what you said






On July 06 2015 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 08:24 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far?



I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that.

trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times

Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet


do you have anymore town?



Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads.


ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent.

what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum?


I said we can't both be scum

Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful.


-squints at-

lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right?



You're replying a lot to me rsoultin but saying very little.

I think it makes sense. If HF and me are both scum, I feel we would basically never have that interaction a few minutes into day 1. Do you disagree?


what do you mean by interaction though

you called hf town and then you reference how because of this "interaction" you cant both be scum



On July 06 2015 08:30 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 08:28 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:24 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
[quote]


I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that.

trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times

Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet


do you have anymore town?



Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads.


ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent.

what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum?


I said we can't both be scum

Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful.


-squints at-

lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right?



You're replying a lot to me rsoultin but saying very little.

I think it makes sense. If HF and me are both scum, I feel we would basically never have that interaction a few minutes into day 1. Do you disagree?


what do you mean by interaction though

you called hf town and then you reference how because of this "interaction" you cant both be scum



OK I want to move past this as it's not really worth spending a lot of time on.


If me and HF both roll scum, and HF enters the game going "Lol I thought I rolled cop but it's just the VT flavor" do you think I, as scum, would call my scum partner "totes town not lynching today"?


What do you think of rsoultin? Specifically the way she's replied to me.


well...i feel like if you hadn't brusied the back of my throat with it then i might have made that analysis myself.
but now it just tastes like pre....
well it just tastes bad you know.



After this tastes bad business he actually takes advantage of the sentiment shifting in favour of clarity and townreads him:

On July 07 2015 00:24 KelsierSC wrote:
Here are my initial reads

Clarity - The initial posts weren't great but perhaps he was
just excited to play, I really liked his scum read on WoS, he had pressure
on him but he scumread the one guy sort of townreading him out of nowhere
that felt really good. since then his posting has been solid, comments about
trefl and bf seem alright.


Which incriminates him further cause TWO scum had a strong argument at their disposal to push a dude on his odd arguments and they ended up throwing all their questioning away and shrug clarity off as an option.




That's about it for this point. Next point is about WoS and Clarity.

On July 06 2015 09:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
Holyflare you should vote WoS with me it'll be great


Last post scumreading WoS above.

First post unscumreading him below.

On July 06 2015 23:24 Clarity_nl wrote:
Going over WoS again and he talked a little about his townread on me I don't like him as a lynch at the moment.


##Unvote


Kelsier's efforts are clearly townie to me. I like where this Rsoultin thing is going, I put it in the back of my mind because someone pointed out her softpushing me early is her town meta. Her reads are also the opposite of mine.

Despite boxerfred's nonsensical "I decided to not like your first post" stance I do think he was coming at me with a townie mindset. When I said the first 5 pages was basically about my first post and he seemed joyous to "catch me in a lie".

I'm actually struggling, it's a pretty big game and most of the arguments/interaction appear town on town to me. I agree that ritoky's opening posts wasn't great, ruxxar pointed out early on that his first post "hi guys I'm town, bye." seemed forced and marv went with it.

If anyone stands out to me it's Harkon. I wasn't impressed with his entry which was:
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On July 06 2015 08:38 Harkon wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holyflare might be mafia for thinking that Marv is mafia.

My vote is serious now.

Please explain this statement in more detail.


But he never did get an answer nor did he follow up. Harkon didn't have any thoughts regarding anything that was going on in the thread at this point so you'd think the one thing he asks about he would push for an answer.

Other than that there's not much original thought, he goes off the posts of others and says "I like this" and "you should elaborate on this" a lot. Even his little spat with rsoultin just now was only after kelsier was on about the whole xP thing. He's just kinda following the rhythm of the thread.

Harkon do you think rsoultin is scum, or what?





Now to what WoS actually said:

On July 06 2015 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
What has been said about clarity?


On July 06 2015 12:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
'Pre planned' is dumb
Nobody actually does that


On July 06 2015 12:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On July 06 2015 12:55 ruXxar wrote:
On July 06 2015 12:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
'Pre planned' is dumb
Nobody actually does that


It's kinda like avoiding the topic though.
If someone asks you why you said something and your response is "I wouldn't say that as mafia", then that seems more like a last line of defense rather than explaining why you actually said something.

There's a difference between saying 'I wouldn't do this as mafia' and 'mafia wouldn't do this' in general.
One is self meta and super shit.
One is actually attempting to think.

reading his post I actually don't think I know which that is


On July 06 2015 13:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On July 06 2015 13:03 ruXxar wrote:
Do you find it strange that he's scum reading you for town reading him?

Not particularly


Not sure if I should continue, cause I think he's giving a lot of leeway to WoS here in unscumreading him off these few posts where WoS is UNSURE about what clarity's post actually meant (this part: "reading his post I actually don't think I know which that is").

So I trust you guys to lynch this guy next after reading this, another argument would be the case he made on me. As I already mentioned he posted his case on me with a lot of hyperbole I'd usually only see from a super tunneled townie which he had no reason or appereance to be previously.

I'm proceeding to find the other two scum.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 17 2015 18:31 GMT
#7674
On July 18 2015 00:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think the HF lynch was quite uncomfortable for scum. I'm quite confident the first few people on it are town (if you wanna ignore WoS that's fine), which means that scum either had to waffle around umm-ing and ahh-ing or they jumped on the wagon later. Scum are always very self-conscious about where their vote is and if their reasoning makes sense, so they don't have the instinctual pounce that town players have, by the time they've thought things through there's 5 town on HF and they have to figure out where to go from there.
Hm, I certainly can't think of any players at all who fit that description...
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 17 2015 18:32 GMT
#7675
On July 07 2015 07:08 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
Alright so I'm here now. Quick little summary of what I thought of this game so far.

Confident town reads

Holyflare - The first post of the game he made is the exact same thought I had as I entered the game, I find that pretty hard to fake and seems like a genuine thing that happened to him since it happened to me as well. Occam's razor here.



On July 14 2015 07:28 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
Shooting HF would be the best thing to ever happen to this game.

1. maybe he's mafia

2. him and rsoultin cant spam the thread anymore and make me ragequit this game for good

3. has good reads if he's town and it would confirm him

dont see any better shots at this point. you have to gamble to win games like this.


On July 15 2015 01:59 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
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On July 15 2015 01:49 Holyflare wrote:
On July 15 2015 01:47 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
I apologize that I'm being scumread by the majority of people, I've been pretty upfront with my thought process and reads. Oh well.


If you aren't mafia then you gotta point where people's town reads are wrong.


my updated reads list is

tier 1 mafia - Kelsier, OWS

Tier 2 -

tier 3 - Scott, one of rsoultin/HF, Breshke

If we are to assume people are starting to pretty much mass jumble the low page filters together, it was only after I saw scott's name being thrown around that my name was subsequently brought up as a replacement. He has quickly been brought into my scum list due to this.

Rest ive already talked about, backed off breshke but havent interacted with him since so its pretty old sitting there

I expect kelsier to flip mafia


On July 16 2015 04:39 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
this lynch on hf is 50/50 he could be either alignment easily.i have no idea on this one


On July 16 2015 14:31 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
oh yea I completely forgot about why I gave holyflare townread. I really doubt he makes that joke as mafia seemed too natural of a thought process. Hopefully we can come to an agreement on a lynch that isnt HF today, im willing to negotiate.


^^^^^

va's convenient read-change on hf...you forgot? i'll grant that it's possible, but if it is SO GOOD that you're going to hard townread hf over all your reservations precisely when hf is up for lynch, i have a very hard time understanding how you forgot it in the first place

not to mention that read is pretty bogus anyway. like lol >< there is really only one good town reason to make the "joke" first post, and that is essentially if you didn't read the OP at all, and frankly even so hf knows that most hosts will post a copy of the vt pm and other pms in the scum qts of games like this...i think he was even one of the people who informed me of that last time in assassination?

you think it's natural for vt to seriously claim vt first post? granted, i'm no psyche dude or whatever, but i can tell you for a fact that i am ten times more likely to do it as scum than as town, because in the first case it buys town cred without risking anything, and in the second case it just helps scum poe blues

if you're town and this is how you really think and your jimmies are just rustled that i don't think your read is worth anything because i don't expect the majority of people in this game to be too stupid to read an op and go 'oh look, vt is called investigator, i can make a post alluding to that for free town cred!', tough

i'd ask you how you forgot your most confident townread based on that flimsy post for several cycles, but frankly there's no response to it
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21991 Posts
July 17 2015 18:34 GMT
#7676
You will notice on reading that rso had the exact same reaction as Damdred and Kelsier at roughly the same time, and as Kelsier and Damdred she didn't pursue the matter further. Going further in her filter you'll find the shitfight with HF ensuing.

On July 06 2015 08:01 rsoultin wrote:
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On July 06 2015 08:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
Can't help but notice that your vote is on me geript.


lol well i don't really blame him xP with the way you climbed right up hf's ass first post of the game

daaaaaamdy trash tier new method says ls town. so is my method just really trash or are you wrong on ls? xP


On July 06 2015 08:04 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 08:03 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:01 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
Can't help but notice that your vote is on me geript.


lol well i don't really blame him xP with the way you climbed right up hf's ass first post of the game

daaaaaamdy trash tier new method says ls town. so is my method just really trash or are you wrong on ls? xP



Can't blame him, does that mean you agree with wanting to lynch me?


nope, it means i see why he finds it suspicious xP especially if, as he's just shown, he thinks holyflare is town


On July 06 2015 08:13 rsoultin wrote:
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On July 06 2015 08:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:07 Damdred wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:04 Damdred wrote:
Clarity if you haven't played with hf much who is arguably the best scum player on site. Why do you 100% lack any fear in reading him on precious few posts?



I wasn't aware he was arguably the best scum player on site, but I don't think it changes much.


Obviously my read on him can change, but based solely on his first post I will fight against his lynch today.


Why off one post? It doesn't make a lot of sense does it to totally eliminate one person based on an opening does it?



Sure it does, it's day 1.


>> you must be reaaaaaally rusty to believe this


On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:
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On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far?



I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that.

trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times

Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet


do you have anymore town?



Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads.


ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent.

what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum?


I said we can't both be scum

Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful.


-squints at-

lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right?


On July 06 2015 08:27 rsoultin wrote:
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On July 06 2015 08:24 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far?



I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that.

trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times

Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet


do you have anymore town?



Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads.


ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent.

what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum?


I said we can't both be scum

Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful.


-squints at-

lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right?



You're replying a lot to me rsoultin but saying very little.

I think it makes sense. If HF and me are both scum, I feel we would basically never have that interaction a few minutes into day 1. Do you disagree?


xP talk about pointless questions

yes clarity i 100% agree with you! that's why i said it makes no sense, because i think you're right

there is absolutely no reason that two scum can't have that conversation; i'm not even sure where you're getting this from


So after lynching clarity you lynch her, pretty simple.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 17 2015 18:36 GMT
#7677
Hm, okay. That makes sense.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 17 2015 18:36 GMT
#7678
Hi Vivax. My argument early d1 wasn't "1 of us is scum" it was "we can't be scum together" and it was to jumpstart discussion, that said I stand by it that I would never approach my scummate that way that early in the day.

I think my WoS unvote was fine, I liked his explanation of "preplanned is dumb" and his "I dunno what it means" stuff.

You're also ignoring that damdred made a huge case on me near the end of d1 >.>
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21991 Posts
July 17 2015 18:38 GMT
#7679
On July 18 2015 03:36 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hi Vivax. My argument early d1 wasn't "1 of us is scum" it was "we can't be scum together" and it was to jumpstart discussion, that said I stand by it that I would never approach my scummate that way that early in the day.

I think my WoS unvote was fine, I liked his explanation of "preplanned is dumb" and his "I dunno what it means" stuff.

You're also ignoring that damdred made a huge case on me near the end of d1 >.>


ad bold 1: Why would you ever think about your scummates as town?

ad bold 2: Did you mention this somewhere earlier? Cause it's clear you were aware of this all the time and didn't just go look it up right now.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 17 2015 18:39 GMT
#7680
On July 18 2015 03:34 Vivax wrote:
You will notice on reading that rso had the exact same reaction as Damdred and Kelsier at roughly the same time, and as Kelsier and Damdred she didn't pursue the matter further. Going further in her filter you'll find the shitfight with HF ensuing.

Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 08:01 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
Can't help but notice that your vote is on me geript.


lol well i don't really blame him xP with the way you climbed right up hf's ass first post of the game

daaaaaamdy trash tier new method says ls town. so is my method just really trash or are you wrong on ls? xP


Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 08:04 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:03 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:01 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
Can't help but notice that your vote is on me geript.


lol well i don't really blame him xP with the way you climbed right up hf's ass first post of the game

daaaaaamdy trash tier new method says ls town. so is my method just really trash or are you wrong on ls? xP



Can't blame him, does that mean you agree with wanting to lynch me?


nope, it means i see why he finds it suspicious xP especially if, as he's just shown, he thinks holyflare is town


Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 08:13 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:07 Damdred wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:04 Damdred wrote:
Clarity if you haven't played with hf much who is arguably the best scum player on site. Why do you 100% lack any fear in reading him on precious few posts?



I wasn't aware he was arguably the best scum player on site, but I don't think it changes much.


Obviously my read on him can change, but based solely on his first post I will fight against his lynch today.


Why off one post? It doesn't make a lot of sense does it to totally eliminate one person based on an opening does it?



Sure it does, it's day 1.


>> you must be reaaaaaally rusty to believe this


Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far?



I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that.

trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times

Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet


do you have anymore town?



Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads.


ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent.

what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum?


I said we can't both be scum

Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful.


-squints at-

lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right?


Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 08:27 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:24 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far?



I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that.

trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times

Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet


do you have anymore town?



Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads.


ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent.

what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum?


I said we can't both be scum

Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful.


-squints at-

lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right?



You're replying a lot to me rsoultin but saying very little.

I think it makes sense. If HF and me are both scum, I feel we would basically never have that interaction a few minutes into day 1. Do you disagree?


xP talk about pointless questions

yes clarity i 100% agree with you! that's why i said it makes no sense, because i think you're right

there is absolutely no reason that two scum can't have that conversation; i'm not even sure where you're getting this from


So after lynching clarity you lynch her, pretty simple.


logical fallacy incoming xP

this makes me scum how?
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