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milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 07 2015 01:22 GMT
#1644
OK so. I give up reading filters. I can't tell if people are being silly/idiotic/scummy. Voting as my gut tells me, reading, and waiting until we know something.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 07 2015 01:26 GMT
#1647
Woah. People are voting me. Perhaps I do need to read some filters.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 07 2015 01:40 GMT
#1659
Alright... Explanations for my reads. First of all, I've played one game. That game I happened to be scum and won. Perhaps my opening strategy is not indicative of alignment, as you have nothing to compare it to. I've not had as much time to devote to the game as I would like, so I threw out my gut reads. The game is hard when you're town. Almost everything is justifiable in one way or the other, which makes it hard to find certainty.

QUOTE]On July 06 2015 11:07 milo109 wrote:
I'm mildly certain Kelsier is scum. [/QUOTE]

I read this:
On July 06 2015 11:01 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 10:59 milo109 wrote:
Holy Crap this game is big.


like my dong


On July 06 2015 09:16 KelsierSC wrote:
scptt fuck you


On July 06 2015 08:00 KelsierSC wrote:
aight, I can beleeee dat


Dislike the dumb jokes. This is mildly amusing because my first read in my other game was based on tone too.


On July 06 2015 11:20 milo109 wrote:
Hmmm. I feel like I should post more but I don't have much more. Leaning town on Holyflare, and I want to call WaveofShadow also town. But I can't.


I liked WaveofShadow just for his tone, but wasn't willing to pronounce him town for it. Holyflare's filter was a pleasure to read. No reads that felt discordant or forced. Casual enough, but also not afraid to explain.

On July 06 2015 11:24 milo109 wrote:
It's harder to read Damdred when you aren't mafia. I'm gonna call him mafia here though.


He usually waits to start calling people trash.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 07 2015 01:47 GMT
#1663
It was his filter. I haven't read Trfel's case yet. Good on him though.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 07 2015 01:50 GMT
#1667
I hate all these posts.

On July 06 2015 07:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 07:35 rsoultin wrote:
no, i'm the copcake!

...........


On July 06 2015 11:21 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I liking you this game KSC if you care just don't be a dick to me this game please? <3



On July 06 2015 22:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Good morning Tina any thoughts you would like to share?

milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 07 2015 02:27 GMT
#1673
Why are we voting trfel?
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 07 2015 02:37 GMT
#1676
Meh. I think LS is a better lynch. Your case is unconvincing.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 07 2015 02:42 GMT
#1679
How the hell do you know what is indicative of burnt out scum? Maybe he is just tired. Oddly specific point. Just because he scumreads you does not mean he is scum. Notice I'm still calling you town, despite your silly vote on me. Half the people in the thread have given terrible reasons for their reads. Like me. Trolling isn't indicative. yadi ya. The only way I find the point on LS convincing is if they are mafia together, and then either way I hit with my vote.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 07 2015 02:48 GMT
#1680
On July 07 2015 11:41 LightningStrike wrote:
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On July 07 2015 11:37 milo109 wrote:
Meh. I think LS is a better lynch. Your case is unconvincing.

Milo I never played with you may I suggest you read the database for all my games minus Himalayas?

There is a obvious lack of smily faces. Scummmm. On a more serious note, I just browsed a couple. Nothing excuses your posts, though I will admit that your over-cheerful attitude is disgustingly pervasive.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 07 2015 02:57 GMT
#1686
I defended him because you and I were the only ones on and you were attempting to sway my vote. I simply stated why that won't happen. I might be wrong on trfel, and I might be wrong on you. Do you always call people who disagree with you mafia?
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 07 2015 03:04 GMT
#1689
I gave reasons for diagreeing. Whether or not you find them legitimate is up to you. Also, are you saying I'm bad mafia defending town trfel? That first sentence is confusing.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 07 2015 03:07 GMT
#1694
On July 07 2015 12:05 Holyflare wrote:
"god can't you read" or "he already said that"

I didn't say anything close to that. Unless you are talking to someone else.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 07 2015 03:27 GMT
#1720
These are your reasons for disagreeing but they are not really evaluated at all and don't address the points I actually raised. The burnt out scum thing was simply because I've experienced it before and it seemed very familiar. Sure, it could have been him being tired but then it continued into mafia redundant questions and processes which led me to believe it actually was just him being mafia and burnt out. Sure, you can say this is not relevant if you don't think so.
--It seems weird to interpret posting so narrowly. It is possible that he is burnt out mafia. But you could be just projecting. And frankly, I see no reason to trust what that others see things I don't see. At least at this stage of the game.


Then there is the point about his questions which lead nowhere and have answers that he already knows about - you didn't address this point.
--People use weird ways to establish points. I assume the point of the question is then not to attain information, but to see other's point of view on them. There have been a lot of dumb questions and responses in this thread. Look at LS's filter, for heaven's sake.


You also misinterpret the point about his read on me. Him saying I am mafia has nothing to do with it. He has no logical reason to think I am mafia because he has not stated why I am mafia but instead just repeats that I am. Yet, he was quite happy to elaborate (although badly) on LS when asked but not anyone else. LS is an extremely easy person to push as town due to his nature. His list of reads do not really have substance behind them. You say "what differentiates them from a town with unexplained reads" and the answer is that a towny will try his best to explain when asked because what has he got to hide? Nothing. Trfel repeatedly hides things and says he won't reveal it or that he'll save it for later. He is playing very dishonest and mafia like.

--Oh come off it. He is playing dishonest? What in the world does that even mean? I honestly think that being acerbic on the first day is towny. Why would mafia hide things, and refuse to explain? Anyone here is good enough to come up with at least a threadbare reason for their reads. Trfel isn't afraid of being lynched, and I like that. The idea of mafia as the furtive town in the corner is silly.

Trolling isn't indicative, sure. I troll a lot. Trfel does not particularly troll and if you read the database you would see that even if he does troll he actually plays seriously and logically.

--Trolling is fine as long as it doesn't get in the way of actual play. Trfel's has not.

The rest of the LS read you have not really addressed at all. How can trfel make a case on LS based on the early game but the early game is when he said he doesn't scum read LS? He changed his read on LS because of questions he asked LS about ritoky. Where are they in his case? They do not feature because he is simply reading LS' filter and making scummy narratives from them.

--LS's filter is SCUMMY. Read it. I can link a dozen posts that raised my eyebrow. Whether you are town or mafia, your job is to build narratives. The question is which are the most convincing. I didn't think Trfel's was particularly convincing, but at least he is offering up a thread that we can then weight.

Trfel isn't even towny. Just not scummy enough to be worth going to the voting thread and changing my vote. I like believing in myself, especially early on. I'll cede that you have probably played with him for than I have, and may be right.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 07 2015 03:29 GMT
#1722
Oh sorry, by the way about the vote. I get you and Half the Sky mixed up. Those Hs.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 07 2015 03:31 GMT
#1725
On July 07 2015 12:30 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
LS's filter is SCUMMY. Read it. I can link a dozen posts that raised my eyebrow. Whether you are town or mafia, your job is to build narratives. The question is which are the most convincing. I didn't think Trfel's was particularly convincing, but at least he is offering up a thread that we can then weight.


This does not answer the point at all and is most concerning. I do not care if he builds a narrative on LS. I care that he earlier said LS is not scum after reading LS' filter. Nothing had happened since then. Trfel then returns and asks LS a question about Ritoky. Suddenly Trfel's read on LS changes to LS being mafia.

Then he posts a case on LS and none of the things in the case on LS being mafia contain the questions about Ritoky. So why is his case a different version than his opinion in the thread?


No idea. Maybe he made an honest mistake, maybe he is scum.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 07 2015 03:32 GMT
#1726
If it is required for the majority, I don't think he is a terrible lynch.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 07 2015 03:33 GMT
#1727
Damn. My filter is small. Quick. Give me something else to argue about.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 07 2015 03:36 GMT
#1731
I haven't. I've played one mini game before this. Don't bring that one up in front of Scott though.

How in the world is being surprised at a cop claim that is in the form of a hashtag at all excusable?
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 07 2015 03:40 GMT
#1737
Why is this worth, '...............'? How can you not expect this? Is LS taking this seriously? Is he annoyed? I don't understand any of those reactions as town.

On July 06 2015 07:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 07:35 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 07:32 ruXxar wrote:
So I feel obliged to inform you that I'm the cop. #rayn


no, i'm the copcake!

...........

milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 07 2015 03:41 GMT
#1739
On July 06 2015 07:34 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 07:32 ruXxar wrote:
So I feel obliged to inform you that I'm the cop. #rayn

That is a terrible role to claim Day 1 I don't even know what the hell is going on......


This too. I mean... he has played before. Quite a few times. How is it possible an experienced player doesn't know what is going on?
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