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On June 08 2015 22:04 justanothertownie wrote: You mean all those people who joined before you or in general? ^^ join with me if you're gonna mock my shitty town game xP asking me pointless questions >> must be scum! ##vote jat! | ||
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i'm all alooooone cause my one game at a time lasted too long @.@ fuck rolling scum lolol | ||
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I prefer a perfect win but lol wasn't gonna happen that time | ||
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my favorite little tunneler <3 can't promise i won't somehow see scum in it though lol (your reasoning sometimes, oneg @.@) | ||
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trading me in for a younger model already? | ||
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i probably won't roll scum again right away? probably? | ||
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@ fidei actually that wasn't me at all lol bueno so pre-game excuse...ummm...just generally i'm way busier than when i had no job and nothing to do so don't be douchebags xP and i definitely do not plan to be here at game start cause i'm actually going out to see a movie! some real fun tonight for once lol >< anywho enjoy folks (just confirmed via pm) | ||
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On June 16 2015 22:17 Onegu wrote: So if you want to learn how to be awesome I am accepting a shadow. My playstyle is best playstyle. oh god @.@ you'll create an army of rsoul tunnelers! | ||
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i don't think i ever have xP | ||
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i'm going with some classmates | ||
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On June 16 2015 22:24 Half the Sky wrote: Wait...that's not a play on words, is it? If it's not, well I think you're a better town player than you give yourself credit for. oh god @.@ my reads can be horrid? lol it is a play on words! half the sky -> half the scum lol ^^ you said you'd be dead if i rolled town against scum you. now i know why hts ninjas kill me before the night is over xP i think you're wrong though ^^ | ||
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On June 17 2015 04:59 Half the Sky wrote: I have returned. I need the 30 minutes to resolve actions otherwise I will not get the daypost to you lot in time. But as for silent versus non-silent, no particular reason. If there is strong sentiment one way or another (seems like Rasputin is inferring it's mafia favoured) I can change that, most games I have seen/been where it's been in effect have actually had the silent resolution. In fact your game Bugs was the first game I recall in awhile where there was a universal resolution period but not silent. But I could be wrong. EDIT: I'm an idiot. I had a shorter amount for Guardians and it wasn't silent. In any case though, if there is a strong sentiment I'll change it. Implying, not inferring ^^ But I'll state it directly. A silent period is not necessarily mafia-favored, but a non-silent resolution period is definitely town-favored. This is the opportunity for town to come out with the ideas they've been sitting on (or actions lol >< in the case of stupid blues like me ahem claiming at poor times ahem) when mafia can do nothing about it xP | ||
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So much more confirmed than hf XP | ||
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hihihihi ls town but not town cause i'm bad about wrongly reading him town ![]() lol so angry rit wbg eh...bresh may be right on the ego thing ![]() badumdum what else caught my eye in a scan worth commenting on? oh i like damdy tone, yay! \o/ oneg...can wait. not sure why he was the focus for so long lol >< i've got a semi-decent metaread i may break out later on him but it requires some actual posting xP | ||
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you know the part that came after the part you bolded? it explains it ^^ cool, yeah? | ||
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cause he's right -_- friggin' ls and thinking that not being "motivated" to play scum is an excuse to do jack-all lol it's okay, ls. i <3 you anyway | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:31 wherebugsgo wrote: so do you actually think he is town or not? oh this is gonna be fun ^^ let me break it down i think ls is town the "not town" part is my way of saying take it with a grain of salt BECAUSE (and this is the best part cause i love explaining myself five times) i have a tendency to townread him even when he's scum HOWEVER others who are better at reading him (i.e. damdy) also say town so i'm more comfortable with the read than i otherwise would be ^ the best part is all of that was in a much more concise package originally ^^ | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:33 GlowingBear wrote: Rsoultin, read on me. dunnae yet the part that i usually read you town as you say you're trying to change BLAME YOURSELF! lolol | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:35 wherebugsgo wrote: okay. can you tell me what you like about Dam? he's my pretty hubby ^^ with the sexy accent lol >< actually, it's tonal. i don't generally qualify my tonereads cause they mean nothing to anyone but me anyway. best simple way to describe it to the uninitiated is fluidity...he's one stiff mofo as scum ^^ | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:37 KelsierSC wrote: I'd propose this point. People are saying that LS has "posted a lot" and been active. But if you actually look at what he has done he has interjected into some jokes and then asked a bunch of questions which don't lead anywhere. Has he committed himself to a read so far? he has just defended people. LS recently got caught as scum I recall, easily the feedback could be, "you are easy to read by being lazy" so now all he does is shit post in the thread and get a town read. Like I feel very uncomfortable with everyone calling LS town and I think that he could easily be scum. more true if he hasn't been told after practically EVERY SINGLE SCUM GAME that he's a lazy git and he does it anyway cause he can't be bothered xP fortunately i haven't had the joy of rolling scum with him yet this also just argues him back to null so what's the point? unless you're reading him scum cause he could possibly do this as scum? (hint: that's a shit argument xP) | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:41 KelsierSC wrote: I haven't played that much with him I just know he caught recently as scum. thus i've enlightened you ^^ now address the question in my post plzthx | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:43 KelsierSC wrote: It felt like he was being given a town pass to easily and I thought his posting was pretty scummy. I mentioned the part about he tried to jump into a bunch of jokes and a lot of his questions don't lead anywhere. -shrugs- the reason he gets easy townreads from players is he's lynchbait ksc. some players are way more likely to get lynched than others you know this i'm pretty sure either you or your scummate ritoky pushed him in carol d1 ![]() | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:45 GlowingBear wrote: Rsoultin, it worries me that you don't have a read on me but that you have one on Damdred. could really care less what worries you gb ^^ my track record with damdred is way better | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:44 ritoky wrote: rsoul: i am bad at reading LS KSC: here's an LS read rsoul: lemme give you advice on that read. choppa 4: derp heeeeeyyyy [insert replacement for shithead here since we're supposed to be nice this game] whether or not i am good at reading LS has no bearing on how good HIS read on ls is anything useful to contribute or are you going to continue to be a...poopyface? is that nice enough? xP | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:45 Onegu wrote: Hrmm wonder what I role I was this game. Does this post seem forced? You are all terrible. Rsoul scum because she says she can meta read me... -hands oneg his shovel- ^^ | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:52 wherebugsgo wrote: umm what why would your reasoning for calling Damdred town only matter to you? You need to qualify the read, otherwise it's pretty much a useless read. It is useful for me, for example, to be able to understand your reasoning so I can determine your alignment ahem hem hem read again pretty | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:53 Damdred wrote: This is somewhat untrue because I'm a difficult person overall to read and rs uses a somewhat obtuse way to get to the place. Usually has a 95% starting accuracy though ![]() tone! \o/ | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote: Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read. <3 hiiiiii new blood! i've just got this feeling we're going to make an amazing team this game ^^ so you know all those HG people...can you actually tell me who you're talking about since i didn't play with them? xP | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:58 wherebugsgo wrote: no thanks. I don't put weight in tone reads, I expect you to have some justification for them. lol wow maybe if i just c/p the one little section it will stave off the reading comprehension rant: "best simple way to describe it to the uninitiated is fluidity...he's one stiff mofo as scum ^^" it's how i read him early. i tend to be right. if you don't like it, too bad -shoos- | ||
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nah, seriously -_- damdy "soul read" rit in a game rit rolled scum ![]() (and just ignore oneg's soul reads entirely lolol he throws that one around without even reading filters) | ||
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On June 17 2015 09:06 ritoky wrote: ye you, foo when i feel like it xP i don't have to do anything you (or wbg for that matter) tells me to -twirls in her awesome FREEDOM!!!- | ||
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On June 17 2015 09:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: rsoultin - idk wtf they're posting atm KelsierSC - reminds me of bugs, a butthole, but a town butthole Bill Murray - idk ritoky - Channel 4 Choppa ShoCkeyy - Town Onegu - Misclaim to VT? We'll see, I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt. Holyflare - Opening/Only post claims town lol. Damdred + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote: So ok claiming town which means ls is scum On June 17 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote: There are two types of people that play mafia 1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree. As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish. He's town to me at this juncture. So Damdred, which one is it? Is LS scum cause you're town, or is LS town and you're scum? Or are you both town or scum? Also can you answer this? On June 17 2015 08:12 NydusHerMain wrote: Give it a day or two... Damdred can you substantiate your reads a bit please? Especially on LS and that other guy? Last game you were one of the first ones to give content and you gave pretty good explanations on each of them... You posted afterwards but never responded to this. NydusHerMain - Town? Fidei86 + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote: Evening guys. In case you haven't played with me before, this is my second game (first was Holy Guardians). Heading to bed now, but it looks like there'll be a ton of posts ready for me when I wake up ... Why post this if 40 mins later you're going to post again? On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote: Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read. I better see poking this game Breshke - His posting currently comes off as town to me atm Mig - waiting GlowingBear - Who knows, acts like a child when things don't go his way in town/scum games. LightningStrike - Acting like he cares? I don't know yet, but his posting looks familiar with his last game where he was scum (not caring about what he writes) wherebugsgo - Ego town butthole VayneAuthority - Not much boxerfred - First post is what? Going to leave now, in-laws are in town. eh...giving me the icks ![]() is this one a new one? | ||
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very bad bad hf hf i may start telling your SEEECCCRREEETS! the ones that you don't want anyone to KNOOOOW! | ||
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bueno (seriously, shockey new?) | ||
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lol now i feel like you're just trying to get my attention xP attention whore why don't you actually explain why my refusing to give a read on you makes me scum? an exercise! \o/ | ||
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is he new is he new? is that scum bad or new bad? | ||
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On June 17 2015 09:22 KelsierSC wrote: he's not new he has 5 games in the DB thanks :/ probably not new bad then | ||
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On June 17 2015 09:24 Damdred wrote: I don't think he's new new. So I think,scum bad but not 100% sure. I don't see any real conclusions or reasons for town etc. Though it's a hit hypocritical for me to say that. It just doesn't jibe because he tries to half ass the post yeeeeah like gb's lists change with the thread (NO I STILL REFUSE TO READ YOU FIERYBEARMAN!!! lolol) but this one was just everyone even when he had nothing plus little to no explanation on most a post to post, reads for the sake of having reads...definitely a bad post lol >< but if he's not brand new that makes it more likely scum | ||
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On June 17 2015 09:26 NydusHerMain wrote: Didn't you just mod a game where I was scum? What? -coughs- he doesn't read the games he mods -struck by gb lightning bolt!- | ||
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On June 17 2015 09:29 GlowingBear wrote: Because for someone that usually have a good tone read on me refusing to give me a read gives you more time to decide which direction you will take when fabricating one on me. If you're scum, obviously selective memory. i was townreading you last game we played together when you were scuuuuuuum lol (that said i may actually have a read on you but now i'm just being a bitch and withholding for my own amusement ![]() | ||
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-beats gb with a wet noodle. maybe even two wet noodles- -yawns at shockey- | ||
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On June 17 2015 09:32 ritoky wrote: dear rsoul, i have a strange request for you. i don't want you to tell me what your read on me is, i just want to tell me if you have one or not. sincerely, choppa 4 oooooooh strange requests! (nah. thoughts and glimmers but nothing worth posting about ^^) have you decided if i'm the big bad wolf who pocketed you last game again this game or not yet? ![]() | ||
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On June 17 2015 09:38 ritoky wrote: you're probably town, cuz you have called your read on me shit in past games and past post games so the fact that you're not quick to arrive anywhere prob means you're hesitant town. -wrinkles nose at- except i used this last game we played, too that doesn't make me town ^^ filter length doesn't make me town being generally awesome (sorry sandy ![]() what concerns me right now is that i can say "i'd say rit was town if he hadn't fooled me badly before" in a scum game over and over yet you still use it to read me as town here for shame, rit | ||
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On June 17 2015 09:41 GlowingBear wrote: Damdred is probably town, stop raising weird suspicions on him o.0 no shit fights between you two? whaaaaat? | ||
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On June 17 2015 09:44 ShoCkeyy wrote: I wasn't going crazy? Also, I just wanted to give my early reads on everyone and ask a few questions to better my reads. I'm not making up reads, these are just notes I've made while reading the responses of all the players. hey sweetie pie if you don't understand me shouldn't you be trying to? ^^ keep your pretty notes to yourself if they're that blah ^^ | ||
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On June 17 2015 09:47 ShoCkeyy wrote: I can post my notes with or without your consent, thanks ![]() friendly advice sweet cheeks. that post is why i think you're scum, and it's doing you no favors you should take my other friendly advice btw if you're scum wondering if you can push me later the answer is no ;( i've been lynched exactly once in 20 games lol | ||
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On June 17 2015 09:58 wherebugsgo wrote: it's not a reading comprehension issue when you literally don't have justification. thanks for pointing me in the right direction, though. ##unvote ##vote rsoultin <3 how cute! it thinks it can lynch me (if you think that's going to prompt me to make shit up to satisfy you, think again lovely) | ||
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On June 17 2015 10:02 wherebugsgo wrote: is this supposed to be a fake strong response? I expect you to have reasons for reads. When I ask you for a reason and you literally quote a post of yourself instead of explaining I think there's a great chance you are bullshitting. So it's okay, you don't need to make MORE shit up, you already made up enough for me to call you scum. -yawns- didn't someone say you were supposed to be good? there's a world of difference between no reasoning and no reasoning you approve of | ||
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On June 17 2015 10:06 Damdred wrote: Maw, one of his responses to Rsoultin where he went sorta ticklish to her stinks of town. Just doesn't feel like suck trying to survive lol if you mean the "fuck off" post and yes i'm paraphrasing, then yes, i can see where you're coming from there kinda weak though lol | ||
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(he's beating out wbg though lol... "you have no justification for your read" "it's right there" "no it's not" "here it is" "i think you're scum cause you quoted it" "well aren't you the sharpest tool in the shed" for more paraphrases from rsoul, leave a message after the beep ![]() | ||
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-pokes bresh- so you think that's true? i'm terrible at judging myself lol i left i cause yeah...if you can't tell if something holds water you can't tell ![]() hffffffffff -flops on- please tell me you're town hf | ||
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lol um if it's in a url it must be true? -flicks- | ||
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On June 17 2015 10:22 NydusHerMain wrote: Because I'm pretty obviously town in comparison... well now you're boring me ![]() | ||
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do you just not believe me when i said gb doesn't read his own games? | ||
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On June 17 2015 10:32 Breshke wrote: I think it is true that you give town reads easier as mafia than as town. I say this with hindsight though because ive never noticed it in game when you were scum. The 10/10 was more directed at him calling scum rsoul oprah. jat may have said something similar lol fair enough breshke-chan scummish idiocy or smarting ego, you think? (yes i trust you to know what i'm talking about ^^) | ||
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On June 17 2015 10:32 KelsierSC wrote: going to sleep if hf does something assume i did the same you have a townread on him or what, ksc? cause i see no reason to have a read on him at all right now | ||
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On June 17 2015 10:43 Breshke wrote: I honestly don't know yet. He looked like he was going to pursue nydus early but im fairly sure that is because he though he was a smurf and he likes pushing smurfs. The rest of his play is what i expect and I didn't really see any scummy stuff from it which makes me townread him but i know thats jsut because I like town reading people so it is kinda null. I think it will become more obvious later in the day like he said with the effort he put in last game with so many people he hasn't played with im interested what he comes up with from diving old games which he seemed to like to do and seemed to have success with. That's a lot of words for a null read but meh . Also I 100% knew you two would rub each other the wrong way. lol so did i On June 17 2015 08:34 rsoultin wrote: oh this is gonna be fun ^^ let me break it down i think ls is town the "not town" part is my way of saying take it with a grain of salt BECAUSE (and this is the best part cause i love explaining myself five times) i have a tendency to townread him even when he's scum HOWEVER others who are better at reading him (i.e. damdy) also say town so i'm more comfortable with the read than i otherwise would be ^ the best part is all of that was in a much more concise package originally ^^ gotta love that subtext ![]() nah i'm actually leaning toward smarting ego atm in all honesty, but if he doesn't wise up real quick to what is and isn't townie and continues focusing on nai things in the thread to the exclusion of all else, that read is subject to change ^^ | ||
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On June 17 2015 10:45 Damdred wrote: So kel and hf are masons? highly doubt it lol but who knows? maybe that's why hf has decided not to play today ^^ and instead "vote" on someone else not playing | ||
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On June 17 2015 10:49 Damdred wrote: This hints at it pretty heavily and of true makes the game much easier with the frequency of actual masons in these games? besides which, hf is far from a townread -shrugs- i'd lump him in with va in terms of useless possible scum right now, right at the very bottom lol | ||
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townreads at present: fidei damdy breshke gb ls in terms of certainty, and no, not all are strong, and no i haven't explained all of those ![]() | ||
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On June 17 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote: It wasn't, and I have a tie between Onegu and boxerfred right now. I think Onegu is a better lynch, actually I'm really wary of Kelsier now, btw. bf cause he didn't post why oneg? lol ksc has not been terribly impressive to me from the start xP | ||
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On June 17 2015 10:59 Holyflare wrote: i'm not masons with ksc hf you are making me really want to push you day 1, despite knowing how unlikely that lynch would be | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:01 GlowingBear wrote: You You townread me???? ![]() Please explain the fidei read? nope xP @ wbg | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:01 wherebugsgo wrote: Qualifying something as a tone read isn't a reason. It's a cop out. For anyone reading this, take a look at the following. Stuff like this Is a great example of responsibility deflection. This is what scum do when they want to give the appearance of having reads but do not want to entrench themselves in any one position because they don't want to get held accountable for them. There's no reason rsoultin here needs to make any sort of statement on LS, but even so why qualify it like this? Let's say rsoultin actually thinks LS is town. This is not actually a reason to believe LS is town. All she is saying is that I think he's town now because other people think he's town, and providing a reason for not having a reason. "I think he's town but don't hold me to that cause I'm bad at reading him! hahaa but it's okay cause other people think he's town, right?" The last part is a great way for rsoultin to get further thread sentiment about LS. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective to say something like this because townies will make the read for themselves and will only qualify what other people say when necessary. Here it just feels forced. and this Yes, let's continue paraphrasing useless shit in an attempt to appear more townie. Repeating yourself by paraphrase is probably the worst way I've ever seen someone try to fake providing reads. You're digging yourself deeper every time you post. aw cutie, you're not reading me at all if you think i don't have reads -amused- narratives bore me. when you're done writing fairytales, let me know | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:02 Holyflare wrote: well I know one alignment that wants to lynch confirmed town ^^ if you're gonna call me scum you better start early and directly, hf or you could give a rat's ass and play the game either or | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:03 GlowingBear wrote: His opening felt forced + his necessity of showing a similar opening (which is actually very different) was terrible eh i don't see how he can't do that as town, is the thing. we'll see | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:05 Holyflare wrote: i don't see why you're so pissed at me for no reason? either i start playing or i don't i'm still waiting for the semblance of a contribution from you this game ^^ | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:06 wherebugsgo wrote: when you're done copping out I might consider unvoting you. however, you can just ask LS how hard I will tunnel you to death. And right now I can guarantee you will flip red once I'm done. ROFL can you now? tunnel me all you want sweet cheeks. you'll never lynch me ![]() there are several scum in this game. why don't you look for some others so you're not 100% wrong post-game? | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:08 GlowingBear wrote: Can you not tunnel for a minute and give thoughts on other players? <3 lol the gb speaks wisdom...occasionally xP | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:12 ritoky wrote: for someone who keeps being standoffish when people push her for responses, you sure are quick to notice a kettle. read hf's filter. read mine. then say we're the same | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:11 wherebugsgo wrote: nope give me a good reason we shouldn't lynch rsoultin. You could also comment on the post I just made on her motivations as well. Do you think she has a town motivation this game? What makes you think yes/no? respeeeeectfully instead of calling you what i normally would do you have the faintest clue who you're even dealing with? do you know how i post? have you read all of my filter/posts? i highly doubt it. you seem intelligent enough to actually understand the meaning behind words, despite your behavior thus far and once you realize how blindingly wrong you are, kindly comment on someone who actually has a chance in hell of being scum ^^ thanks | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:14 wherebugsgo wrote: rsoultin already knows the answer! they're not the same cause rsoultin is scum LOL so now you're saying hf is town, too? | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:17 wherebugsgo wrote: bravo, what an uplifting strategy. Let's ignore a player until literally the last possible moment, when if you are wrong you fucking lose the game. ^ actually...that's true hey wbg...if you're really town and you really think i'm scum, all my games are in my profile. you can see at a glance that as town i don't live long ![]() | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:21 wherebugsgo wrote: you. I don't need to go further. You don't qualify any of your posts with reasons, so why should I bother? I have read your entire filter despite your pathetic attempts to paint me as not reading. Here's a hint: when you try to fake being angry at someone for not reading, perhaps you should point out exactly what they missed. Too bad there was nothing to miss because my posts were literal quotes of yours. How could I have missed something when there wasn't anything to miss? It's like literally the dumbest cop out ever. I point out how you have not qualified your reads with reasons and the response is literally "nuh uh you're not reading here's my reason" with a quote or paraphrase of the thing I pointed out in the first place. It's like you want us to go in circles instead of progressing anywhere--I wonder which side wants to do that, hmm? can you tell me how my reason was not a reason, wbg? i'm on the edge of my seat | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:23 ritoky wrote: i was talking with HF in some obs QT and he was going on about how he was tired of dying N1 all the time as town, and how he wanted to live past N1 for a change. since then he has been trying some self control stuff in the games i have been in with him and trying to lower his d1 activity as town to try and survive later into the game. the thing with HF is....he is HF. guy can't help himself, he will start spamming and giving endless reads at some point. maybe it is d2, maybe it is n1, maybe it will be when someone says the dumbest thing he has ever read. he will do it at some point, read him then. if he doesn't after a good while, then shoot or lynch him. pretty simple. don't understand why you're butthurt about denial of information when you intentionally denied GB information for hours. and why do you care if i put pressure on him in the meantime so you goobers don't forget about him later, hm? again, if you can legitimately say we're playing the game the same, then you have a right to speak | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:24 wherebugsgo wrote: a "toneread" is not a reason. it's like saying "I think he is town because he talks like town". What the hell does that even mean did i or did i not EXPLAIN my toneread, which is QUALIFYING it? what to you is not a reason about saying that he posts more fluidly as town than scum? | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:28 ritoky wrote: because it is a worthless line to pursue and it is hardly pressure. as was your post unless you actually think i'm scum for it | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:28 Breshke wrote: Yes yes yes this. The fight isn't going to go anywhere either because I think you are both too stubborn and 20 posts later you are still going to be going on about the same thing. So let's move on and come back later if need be. in all honesty i am really baffled at how wbg can sit there with a straight face and claim that reasons weren't given when they obviously were. if his issue is he doesn't think it was good enough mere hours into the game, whatever, but that's not what he's saying his push is ridiculous, and i am trying to determine if he's scum just hanging on and fitting everything to his narrative because changing reads is hard for scum, or because he's just trying to get into a dick-measuring contest with a woman lol >< and can't let an obviously bad argument go for that reason | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:36 ritoky wrote: so why exactly are you trolling around looking for a fight? ??? | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:40 wherebugsgo wrote: So let me get this straight. You want me to provide you reasons, and opinions. Which I certainly will, but right now I'm just not that interested in throwing around reads on people because it's a bit too early. This all is fine. You, however, don't find it odd that rsoultin is NOT doing exactly what you want me to do? Why the double standard here? If I am to take what you said at face value you seem to want to ignore rsoultin, but why? What difference does it make waiting it out? People said the same shit about LS last game and he flipped scum day 1. She hasn't contributed anything and in her responses to me and ritoky it certainly doesn't seem like she is going to contribute anything any time soon. That's not indicative of her being town and to me that makes her the best lynch right now. do not make me quote all the posts from my filter giving opinions it will piss me off and make you look the fool | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:42 ritoky wrote: you're usually happy. your posts are angrier. TONE READ (ZING) GOTEM BOYZ choppa 4 reporting. lol bullshit you played with me in mafia down under you played with me in carol try again | ||
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^ damdy scum if you can't tell the difference between his posting there and here, in terms of FLUIDITY and how STIFF he is as scum, then you can't understand my read anyway and this is pointless | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:43 wherebugsgo wrote: so instead of putting in more effort to explain yourself you're going to continue rehashing your own posts which you already made in an attempt to do what exactly? I've already told you that I've read your filter and I've certainly demonstrated it, yet you still want to go in circles That's so townie, man! /s I KNOW YOU DIDN'T IF YOU CAN SAY I HAVE NO READS OR SUBSTANTIATED OPINIONS!!! get rekt | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:48 wherebugsgo wrote: yes, thanks for giving me a filter and putting the onus on me to explain YOUR read. that's great fucking town motivation right there. ^^ i'm done with you you don't have the motivation to check your own read despite literally everyone else in the thread thinking you're full of it. even ritoky isn't willing to commit to a scumread on me you can't be assed to make reads on anyone else without being prodded multiple times, and even then only gave a read on damdred which you were ASKED FOR how's that for town motivation ^^ | ||
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here is my deal i spend hours in this thread actually giving reads and opinions and yes, justifying them yet you want me to sit here and rehash a toneread which i have already said is a toneread, and have the audacity to claim that i'm not putting in effort. first you say it has no justification. then when i repeatedly show you the justification you missed, you finally come around to saying it's not good enough (only after i point out that that is how you should be expressing yourself if you have any brain cells) i do not give a rat's ass what you think about my EARLY TONEREAD on damdred i'm right i'm town and i'm going to look for scum rather than indulge you if and only if the rest of this thread feels that your argument actually holds any water will i bother to actually address your flimsy case of nothing have a good day | ||
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i'm curious so very curious | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:04 Holyflare wrote: well i'm taking your old meta on me and reversing it so you being an ass to me for no reason is scummy since we usually get along as town either way continue doing stuff bugsss i mean i can see where you're coming from i suppose but no motivation to explain things and stubbornness isn't a mafia trait, in fact it's usually a town trait? i'm gonna do some lawyer shenanigans right now though and mediate: bugs outline your main gripes in concise bullet point format rsoul answer them in concise bullet point format let's all be nice and hug it out you disappointed me ![]() (more to the point, we got along fine when i was scum, so that's just bad, hf. i expect better from you) | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:08 Holyflare wrote: no we didn't i was trying to point something out and you kept chatting shit about the same read above lol now you're going to have to explain this hf. i don't remember there being a problem last game | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:10 Holyflare wrote: either way you're being bad so shape up ![]() you're being brilliant yourself ![]() i don't truuuuuuust you and since you're in the thread i'd expect to see something by now that would make me more comfortable with you | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:13 Holyflare wrote: i dunno cba to look it up it was something about bunnies and me trying to yell a point and you arguing against it and saying that you'd read me as mafia for "going against your meta" it's irrelevant either way but bad feels for you trying to pressure me to do stuff when you've seen me not do stuff multiple times bad reasoning you always do stuff as town you don't always do stuff as town right away this would only be valid if you didn't always do stuff as town | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:16 Holyflare wrote: try not to be too mafia, yeh? ![]() sweetcheeks, i'm not mafia and you probably know it | ||
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say you don't want to be nk'd as town so you soft/hard obfuscate whatever a role and proceed to do nothing but vote someone who hasn't posted yet ooooookay? not doing much while out of the thread is NOT the same as not doing much while in it you've thrown little prods at a couple people without directly calling anyone scum in any decisive way | ||
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yes, there have been times when you've done nothing as town HOWEVER to be PRESENT and do nothing as town, especially while doing something that would in no way encourage scum to NOT shoot you n1, that is not something i've seen from a town hf whether i'm right or wrong, can you honestly say you don't see what my issue with you is? | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:30 GlowingBear wrote: Let me tell you something: Calling people bad without good reasoning makes people not wanting to support you because your read is shit anyway. You're the one who comes to the thread and say O HAI PEOPLE TELL ME WHO IS GOOD AND HOW THEY PLAY SO I CAN FORM READS BASED ON IDENTITY and then people tell you THE THINGS YOU'RE SAYING THAT RSOULTIN IS SCUM FOR IS NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE FOR HER and what is your answer? WHARRGARBL RSOULTIN SCUM I WON'T TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. Nothing of value? Like the list post I've made? They have reasoning. You can help me talking about that reasoning. But you decide not to. You prefer to keep going against rsoultin. I'd rather lynch both of you now because all you're doing is shitting the thread. I'm sick of coming back to here and see a discussion that will lead nowhere. ... if you really feel this way that makes me sad gb ![]() | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:36 Holyflare wrote: only if you can prove why someone that proclaims to be able to meta read me every game gets my meta so horrible wrong and tries to call me scummy ![]() not only are you wrong but this will go so very much against you if you actually manage it that it would almost be worth getting lynched d1 ^^ | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:29 wherebugsgo wrote: 1. The responsibility deflection was the first thing that caught my eye-rsoultin's first post in the game in which her comment on LS came off to me like she didn't want to commit too strongly one way or another on LS because doing so would cement her in that position. It's something I find scum do so they can give off the air that they have reads but in reality they are setting themselves up for the possibility of swinging the other way later. In this post she comments on several players but none of the reasons are very specific at all. I would be interested in knowing what this apparent metaread on onegu is now but I doubt she'll give anything forth given how hard she fought not to provide any reasons for the damdred read. A lot of these things come across as faked, or they are just surface-level things like the "lol so angry rit" which really doesn't do anything except give us the impression that rsoultin is doing something. there's also this post: The bolded to me is very interesting because it shows that she cares about how her reads come off. As a townie you know if you haven't explained something and if you list a read without an explanation you can just explain it when someone asks you. In fact this is a fairly good thing to do and lots of people do it all the time. However here it is as if she is anticipating someone asking her for an explanation and this is her way of shadowing that she will not explain them. What town motivation does a player have for doing that? Finally her responses to me when I tried to get her to elucidate the LS and damdred reads were both literal rehashes of her original post, and that brings me to point #2 2. Despite the amount of times she has posted, she continues to go in circles and doesn't actually progress anywhere. So for example she says this: So here she says she doesn't generally qualify her tonereads because they apparently mean nothing to anyone but her... First of all, if that's true, why would she ever bother putting a toneread in the thread if it doesn't mean anything to anyone but her? That's basically admitting she's only doing it for brownie points. Later, the best part is that she says this: Let's see that side by side: The best part is that she admits that she doesn't qualify her tonereads because they don't mean anything to anyone except her. This is first of all an excuse in itself for not providing a reason in the first place, and it doesn't make sense because if the read doesn't mean anything to anyone then why post it all? Secondly she goes ahead and does "explain" it which I don't know how you can call it that. It's literally saying "I think he is town because he sounds town." Then later she says "didn't I explain my toneread?" No, she copped out of explaining it. When I demanded an example she just dumped a link to a game instead of actually making any sort of effort to prove that she legitimately believed what she said she did. and then there's this Which again is a rehash of what she said earlier about me not reading...okay, fine, but as you can see in the post I just quoted, she literally doesn't have any reads! She said herself that she has five townreads, the following people: BUT that everything else is "leans" and not all of these are strong. She also admitted that she didn't explain (at least some) of these reads. Sounds to me like she doesn't have any reads. So how exactly am I failing to read her here? She simply says that to discredit me. Townies don't do that and they don't contradict themselves so blatantly or misrepresent themselves either. good lord i don't feel like dealing with this today -_- fine 1. the LS read - i get him wrong a lot. that i said he was town at all this game toward the beginning was anything BUT a responsibility deflection. i simply gave it the weight it deserved. if i'm not good at reading him, i don't want people taking my read on him as gospel, but it IS the way i'm reading him right now 2. the damdred read - i feel that my toneread on damdred based on the fluidity of his posts is good enough. you do not. enough said. i stand by that read 3. the five townreads - reading my filter you would find that i've given reads on ls/damdred and have not on the other three. i refused to give a reason for fidei. no one bothered to ask about anyone else. i was being facetious since i was already being accused of not having a reason for one of the players that i did have a reason on breshke - we think ridiculously alike when he's town. the fact that he's saying things that already resonate with me plus knows exactly what i'm talking about while being obscure means he is most likely town. breshke is slow to make reads but his posts are especially insightful. i love playing with him gb - he has a tendency of going every which way as town. he knows that he does this (but i doubt he can help himself...and know that he's bad at replicating it as scum) the longer the thread went on, the more difficulty he seemed to have focusing on just one thing. while he can tunnel as town, i've only seen this level of disorganization from town gb ls - the read basically mimics damdy's so i felt no need to repeat it damdy - his style is interesting. he used to not post much and just come in with a case on a scumread late in the day phase, but he got pushed so often for it (and he gets highly frustrated at being scumread as town) so then he started offering weaker reads early. if you actually cared to look at the game i linked, he came in with an immediate scumread on team mate gb in that game, to the exclusion of pretty much all else, and even made the mistake of townreading someone for reaching the same conclusion as him with completely opposite reasoning. and yes, to me his posting seemed very stiff. i was scumreading him most of d1/n1 until i derped like an hour before i was nk'd -_- my reads are because i know the players. meta-wise and tone-wise. it's personal to me, and no, i don't expect everyone else to get it, nor is there a real need to overexplain townreads when they're not getting lynched unless stubborn people keep insisting on it next time ask -_- if it's not repeating myself i'm usually very forthright as for VA...i've seen what he's capable of, but i also know how lazy he can be so i'm hesitant to vote him. he's scummy and being useless with the posts going nowhere and the opportunistic vote on a townie (assuming it made it to the vote thread) however i wouldn't put it past him to just want to lynch me for getting him mislynched last game as scum >> the reasons i don't like hf are in the thread. he says it's a shit metaread, and on the surface perhaps it is. however it is undeniable that a scum hf tends to have very shallow reasons for scumreading people and be less forceful/proactive. there may or may not be another reason i distrust him right now i also feel that ksc's posting is off, but i'm not as familiar with him. if he's not masons with hf, there was absolutely no reason to townread hf at the point where he said he'd just sheep whatever hf did. i don't like that any more than i like his push on ls based on reasons that don't make ls scum | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:59 Holyflare wrote: eh i don't have any gripes with what she just posted because i'm town and your push is bad ^^ | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:00 ritoky wrote: i was reading and retaining the information in your post, then i got to this. i forgot everything and said what the fuck out loud. seriously? what is with this denial of information shit going on in this thread? you all like wooooo lookie me, i got a secret. if you have a scum read then say it. i've given more than enough reasons to distrust hf, ritoky i wouldn't even lynch him over ksc or va right now, but he's not a townread for me, and believe it or not i actually do usually townread him early when he's town | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:03 GlowingBear wrote: K, rsoultin, dear, who is scum apart from bugs and why? god does no one read my posts @.@ and they wonder why i don't bother actually fleshing out reads | ||
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btw gb i'm not sure on bugs...he's a scumlean at most. i don't like the tunnel but i still can't decide if it's genuine or not cause i don't know him from adam the onegu metaread as i said earlier when i first mentioned it requires him to post more. if i say anything else about it now he can tailor his play to it. surely you can understand that, bugs -_- | ||
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yes if i had to lynch someone right now i'd lynch ksc | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:07 wherebugsgo wrote: I think this is possibly the towniest thing you've said so far but on a scale of 1 to 10 it's still about a 2 Well, at least you doubled your score did you read my response to your case at all? this is not an accusation; i genuinely want to know | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:11 wherebugsgo wrote: I think the first half was pretty pointless (more or less yet another rehash) but the second half was a bit interesting. well whenever you feel like not lynching a town, feel free to unvote me | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:12 GlowingBear wrote: rsoultin and bugs, this is what is going to happen: we are not lynching any of you on day1. I would LOVE if you keep talking with each other but does not talk ABOUT each other. Can we get to this point? lol ask him i want to know why you're reading hf town as well, btw | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:14 Breshke wrote: Also rso it is so fucking townie if you asked me about Bugs in an obscure way specifically to get a read off of me I thought you were just doing it for the lols. <3 noir was ridiculous >< i needed to be more proactive with you this time lol | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:15 Damdred wrote: Well HF here's the thing, generally you do a lot of things early to stimulate discussion I do see the point RS makes in that regard and you don't do it all the time however. But either way its not alignment indicative and well lets be honest you are a scary person to read d1 usually. I just don't care if ik wrong on you till later or better players catch you lol. But besides that I don't think its alignment indicative that RS pushed on you for doing nothing, I wanted to push on you to to engage. It happens you are engaged I think you are town. Which I'm glad of currently. Rs is always stubborn and bangs her head against the brick wall when people come against her like this, especially as town not usually as scum as she's generally a bit more accompdating. In fact she somewhat did the same thing in ippo mafia when people called her out for a few reasons like attitude etc., shit fights galore. I think it is alignment indicative that RS is acting like this and she's town. besides that her reads come from a pretty safe place where her scum reads would be a bit more... Strange if that makes sense, its hard for me to quantify like this, but for instance when I gave a read on people instead of being like. Damdred could be scum but this person is town for his read. She's seperatly evaluating people to their own merit. Sadly I won't be able to use this point again but it is what it is. it's k...didn't really get that anyway @.@ | ||
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maybe that's why it seems like oprah \o/ | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:20 Holyflare wrote: and damdred i literally just showed that not to be the case (that i actually don't do stuff - especially as she was pushing me after 1 post ^^) but yeh the rest of it i have no problems with hey, you i'm town unvote me find scum a message from your friendly neighborhood rsoul ^^ even if i'm wrong i'm just WRONG, and none of what you're saying makes me scum any more than what bug's saying makes me scum i've got a role pm that says otherwise and i'm more confirmed than you ^^ | ||
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On June 17 2015 07:04 rsoultin wrote: Hi and bye! So much more confirmed than hf XP ^^ you really want to just lynch bm, huh? i mean i get that he hasn't posted but...he hasn't posted lol >< | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:26 Holyflare wrote: yes but the fact the game started without him being replaced means he had to have confirmed his pm in like the last 30 mins before the game started and then just did nothing ... lol that's a good point, i didn't think about the confirmation timing | ||
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ksc, bm, va ^ in that order, i think hf actually had a good reason for bm so maybe he can be a town lean lol >< i have to read bf's opening again, gb. i don't remember him | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:34 Holyflare wrote: and you say i did nothing with my vote -.- 3 Bill Murray + Show Spoiler + 4 ritoky - probably not just uneasy buddy wordz + Show Spoiler + 5 ShoCkeyy - maybe not, seems kind of new but not read the database of 5 games or w/e 6 Onegu 10 Fidei86 12 Mig + Show Spoiler + 13 GlowingBear - hahahahaha not read anything he wrote <3 + Show Spoiler + 14 LightningStrike - aprehensive, probably not 16 VayneAuthority 17 boxerfred super duper awesome lazy would lynch list of lazyness, GO! hey >> not a mind reader lol nh take fidei off otherwise...ignoring your spoilered ones presently...the unspoilered ones are fine with me otherwise so, putting this out here on the chance that oneg is being especially lazy as town...if you give me nothing to read you by i'll assume this is the scum game you chose to break meta with <3 | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:39 VayneAuthority wrote: i raise your alakaslam with chezinu also i skipped every post that was quoting another post didnt read any of it heeeeey gonna play with us xP | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:40 NydusHerMain wrote: You made a point in saying that the majority of your reads are based on meta. If Onegu, according to your meta read, is town when he's inactive (because he supposedly doesn't like playing as town), why would this be the game where you break your meta read on him now when you're holding onto your metareads on other people? good question i'm referring to the site-wide meta for onegu in this post my personal meta for him requires him to post...it's not as superficial as just plain "lazy" he also specifically told me that he planned on doing nothing as scum in one of his next scum games specifically to break the meta read (again, here i'm referring to the superficial, site-wide meta and not my meta) lol hopefully that wasn't too confusing @.@ (also, meta/tone reads is something i use more day 1 than in later days, just fyi) | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:43 VayneAuthority wrote: onegu, damdred, mig, [reserved spot] using complex algorithms I have broken down HTS' method of branding and found this to be the mafia :/ at some point i expect reasoning perhaps...in vayne teehee way too late when i'm making bad puns | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:47 NydusHerMain wrote: Makes sense... I have a feeling you're not going to be around later to prove that for me though. lol when almost everyone voting me doesn't have me on their scum lists? >> i'm trying to be patient when i really just want to be like MOVE ALREADY!! lol but anyway | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:48 VayneAuthority wrote: im going to ziplock you and throw away the only key! oh I feel so feminine. ![]() but but but va! i only am evil when i'm scum trying to mislynch 3p survivor who fakeclaims mason with me! i don't think i'd fit in a ziplock lol >< | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:52 VayneAuthority wrote: i just wanted to see your reaction to the vote, unsure what it means yet...needs to go through the lab lol in all honesty i have a hard time getting mad at votes without reasons which is weird cause they should make me more annoyed -shrugs- but yooooouuuu, you had my entire team pegged you annoying thorn xP granted, i know we weren't playing amazing but now that i know where the bar is... ![]() | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:54 NydusHerMain wrote: Damdred's day 1 just doesn't feel the same as last game. He felt more aggressive to me and a lot more analytical right from the get go. (and last game he was town) I'm willing to not lynch him today just because he said earlier on I think that he was on his phone (correct me if I'm wrong). Your shit with holyflare rubbed me the wrong way and you don't seem as feisty as you did in the previous game. Tone read on you, but I don't think your content has been particularly towny either. Oh another associative read, if ritoky is mafia, onegu is probably town. The main source of conversation in the beginning was us calling onegu scum and ritoky didn't give a shit and was trolling and being like "nothing is happening" blah blah blah. If we assume onegu is scum, scum partner ritoky would think that his partner was getting a lot of pressure because from his point of view, a bunch of town are probably trying to kill onegu right off the get go so the first thing that comes to his mind probably isn't "nothing is happening." mmm not really the best reasoning? it's way too early in the day and the scumreads were based off one post, so not sure scum would bus onegu there. certainly i don't think they'd feel the need to | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:55 ritoky wrote: i still think nydus is town kinda feeling that myself lol >< but this is my first rodeo with a nydus ^^ | ||
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On June 17 2015 14:01 NydusHerMain wrote: It was more the train of thought that Ritoky would have. I wasn't saying that as scum partners, Ritoky would jump on the scum train on Onegu, I was saying that Ritoky wouldn't be thinking of saying something along the lines of "Nothing is happening in this thread it's so fucking boring" if his mafia partner Onegu was getting attacked heavily. I think he'd be thinking that "Something bad is happening" so the former would be the last thing on his mind to be posted since he KNOWS that his mafia partner is being pushed on. Something to consider for later game when we get alignment flips / cop claims. ah okay i gotcha. it's the complete lack of reaction one way or the other. could be lol >< probably getting ahead of ourselves though | ||
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On June 17 2015 14:03 ritoky wrote: why did no1 ask me why i listed damdred & GB as not in a team together? I really wanted to answer that question ![]() okay rit i'll bite why? + Show Spoiler + i think i can guess, is why it didn't strike me as odd | ||
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On June 17 2015 14:07 ritoky wrote: WOW THANKS FOR YOUR UNPROMPTED ENTHUSIASTIC QUESTION! Because when me, damdred, and gb were all a mafia team together a couple games back we basically got to the QT and all agreed to bus the living shit out of eachother. We had so much success and fun doing it (like seriously the most fun I think any of us have ever had on a team) that I imagine if they ended up in a QT together again, the very first things typed would be: "Yo, let's do it again! BUS TIME!" They're not doing it, so they aren't together. lol that's what i figured not sure they'd really think they could pull it off two games in a row though ![]() YES THIS IS THE GAME I LINKED YOU WBG ahem | ||
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On June 17 2015 14:11 ritoky wrote: if you say you're leaning town on me, i might vote for LS. -squints at- i'm not sure how that's connected, but i'm leaning town on both of you ![]() | ||
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ciao folks ls is falling off a little for me just cause he's not here still, but i expect if he's town he'll reaffirm my read when he comes back to the thread | ||
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more "scummy" things for wbg to tunnel while i'm not here! | ||
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Don't have much time kels but essentially I didn't get why you decided to sheep hf when you couldn't possibly have a townread him after the two to three posts he'd posted lol >< I also didn't agree with your read on ls and don't, but the way you're approaching that read seems okay now so whatevs Heh plus you just reminded me of shock again XP what do you think of damdy`s time thing regarding shockeys response to me? The f off attitude usually comes from town but i'm not sure if it actually is enough to make up for that list post | ||
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On June 17 2015 09:47 ShoCkeyy wrote: I can post my notes with or without your consent, thanks ![]() not sure what damdy was referring to ksc, but this was the only thing that looked sorta townie to me lol >< >> @ oneg i was just about to say...who asks to shadow an oneg? xP also a bit surprised you haven't jumped on the lynch rsoul wagon since it's so shiny and there and convenient lol | ||
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People are ignoring the lead lynch wagon 10/10 shockey XP -sits on hf`s head- if you're gonna keep sitting on that btw you should added to.your lynch list before it starts to look weird XP | ||
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On June 17 2015 23:45 Onegu wrote: Its because he was first to post in thread everyone know first to post in thread is confirmed town. Dude quote the post I quoted XP then say this again | ||
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Why is your read on me so wishy washy? The tone of your posts flips from townreading to scumreading pretty much every other post. You're not pressuring a soul but the afk. bugs we're not lynching me. Find a better target | ||
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Later. If you're impatient read my filter | ||
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On June 18 2015 02:23 Holyflare wrote: How is my read wishy washy in the slightest? and if you don't think I'm pressuring anyone i suggest you read the game again Kindly show me this pressure. Cause you're definitely doing nothing to figure out my alignment if that's what you're about to reference. If you.feel.strongly enough about it to not probe further you're not pursuing your read/push with any vigor, and if you're not referring to me you're being even less effective. | ||
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On June 18 2015 02:28 LightningStrike wrote: You think scum from what I read in your filter O_o Didn't like his list post, agree with damdy that town generally does the fuck off type posting though, so scumlean but not the most interesting person in the thread to me presently | ||
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On June 18 2015 02:33 Holyflare wrote: you definitely haven't read the thread then, i just started pushing boxerfred for his atrocious post and even then if you ignore that you agreed with my would lynch list and if you agreed with my list then you'd realise that none of the people in that list are in the game really at the moment if you're craving my attention you'll be sorely disappointed ![]() OMGUS I don't really care about one way or the other your list was okay cause it was mostly nullish players but it was boring Admittedly i'm wary of nd cause he doesn't know well and defensible when i'm the leading wagon makes my skin itch...ironically it's the strongest reason I can find to towmread you right now too... which needless to say is weak as shit | ||
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On June 18 2015 02:34 LightningStrike wrote: Well I posted a quote that was listish post which was his first reads of the game what you think of it compared his list post this game? Dude i'm on my phone. You know i'm going to want to follow up in the thrwas that was posted in. This has to wait until I get home tonight | ||
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On June 18 2015 02:39 Holyflare wrote: i don't know why you keep saying you're the leading wagon when it literally means 0 things since gb doesn't scum read you and i haven't put you on my would lynch list and va didn't have you in his list iirc, it's clearly just afk votes Because objectively I am and he sits to skimming the.thread which means that to him i'm the leading wagon that he doesn't know.from adam. Or whether.your.scumread makes sense or not. Sides this is the wishy.washy i'm referring to. Sometimes you.talk like.you think i'm scum and sometimes you.don't | ||
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That should have said admitted to skimming the thread. I'll post tonight when I don't have.to.fight the phone Also can't.keep up.with the thread At nhm...don't give a damn go away | ||
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On June 18 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote: i also have absolutely no idea how you being the leading vote wagon would change anyone's read on you | ||
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![]() HF I'm town Votes say leading wagon Bf defends me and attacks your read But he just add the thread and hasn't read my filter to know if your.read has merit or not? How is this.escaping you? | ||
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I SAID IT MAKES ME WARY OF HIM CAUSE UNLIKE OTHERS WHO KNOW ME HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT ME. HE WAS SCUMREADING YOU FOR YOUR READ ONE WHICH MAKES NO SENSE IF HE HAS NO OPINION ON ME. AND I KNOW I'M TOWN SO YES IT'S FUCKING RELEVANT TO ME THAT HE'S INDIRECTLY DEFENDING ME OUT OF NOWHERE are we I'mthe same page YET or does this require more all caps | ||
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Whatever it may be the phone posting. Do you understand now at least? | ||
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On June 18 2015 02:38 rsoultin wrote: OMGUS I don't really care about one way or the other your list was okay cause it was mostly nullish players but it was boring Admittedly i'm wary of nd cause he doesn't know well and defensible when i'm the leading wagon makes my skin itch...ironically it's the strongest reason I can find to towmread you right now too... which needless to say is weak as shit | ||
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Nhm let it go. I already said I want to check ls' shockey meta tonight Stop dogging me. It just makes me want to ignore you ^^ | ||
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phone posting wait sides XP I'm not getring lynched this game 2-3 of the ppl on me don't even want to lynch me today, so you can take.your threats somewhere else | ||
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why? lol >< yes, yes, a million times yes he's done this as town far too often hell he says things like "don't force me to claim" and then "i'm vt" in some of his town games -facedesks- i don't specifically remember him doing it as scum (i guess it's possible) but at best it's nai >> wbg, you specifically said you feel bad with the idea of lynching me now why? okay hf, i think we're finally getting to the point where you're starting to look town to me @.@ -beats gb- you're boring me lately | ||
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On June 18 2015 05:25 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?page=30#591 there's no way somebody reading the thread can get that confused it's like 2 posts separating it i actually agree with this in a skim, especially just a filter skim, maybe...but you'd expect him to have gone back and checked it when he'd already been told he was wrong :/ and regardless he was clearly aware of my post so he had to have seen the posts in the thread, since hf wasn't quoting me i'm fine with a bf lynch...i'd kind of expected him to come back with something else since he said he still needed to read | ||
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i see no reason to lynch ls over his claim if he's scum he's being coached to do it specifically to break meta and rit...claiming vt and blue claiming are a bit different...can we at least agree that one of those actions is inherently riskier than the other? | ||
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i'm going to continue to defy nhm cause i think it's hilarious that (she?) thinks that even if she's generally townread she can single-handedly get me lynched (hint, lovely: townread =/= right necessarily or that you have enough thread pull for it xP), cause i despise threats in general...while yes hypocritically making them woot \o/ but mostly cause i want to review everything which i couldn't do on my phone ^^ out for a bit then i'll be back, in my own time -ksc -shocckey were the two everyone's interested in, i think? leaning toward bf right now though | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:12 Mig wrote: Hi I am here, few things I noticed so far 1) very unlikely that onegu/LS are both mafia together. They would have had to have planned out their beginning interaction with onegu claiming vt and LS snap attacking it and posting another game where he did it as scum. Seems unlikely considering LS reputation as lazy scum and the fact that onegu just disappeared from the thread after it. 2) gb's reactions to rsoul are extremely shady GB starts with an extremely soft defense and deflection away from rs + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 11:15 GlowingBear wrote: I usually ignore her until LYLO. If she is alive we just vote her. I'm not really putting too much thought on her right now. Time will tell. But following this you pretty much immediately vote her even tho you later defend her by saying you shouldn't vote for people with the longest filters day1 (why did you vote for her in the first place then?) While Gbs vote is still on her you say this + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 12:58 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, trust the tone read rsoultin gives on damdred and me I've been discussing games with her for a long while and he does that every time. And she does it correctly. Like, I told her I was freezingfoot last game and she said: you're scum right? you don't feel like town gb I trust her tone reads as genuine What is rubbing me the wrong way is the shitfight she entered and the refusal to get off of it. If you are unsure of her alignment why are you telling people to trust her tone read on you? A lot of this strikes me as TMI, as in you already know rsouls alignment. You were willing to go along with possibly lynching her when bugs was pushing hard and the sentiment was against her but once it started to turn you softly back paddled. And now you are only focusing on lynching into lurkers. Along with all of this GB has like 20 town reads already but does he have any scum reads on people who aren't lurkers? So a couple questions GB, definitively do you think rsoul is more likely town or mafia? Also, who out of the active people do you think is the most likely to be mafia? I assume you dont believe the entire mafia team are within the lurkers. Rsoul I would also like to hear whether you think your tone read holds up on Gb and whether you think he is still town simply because he is disorganized. rsoul code: boring = bad = dropping read i'll revisit later though i can't keep up on my phone...it's true that i was right the one time when i just read his smurf filter and he was hyperfocused on blah but i've been wrong on him, too, and yes that post did kinda read weird to me but in all honesty the "trust rsoul anyway" bit...and maybe this is poor reasoning...sounded like maybe town hedging bets in case i turned out to be scum. he knows i'm town if he's scum, so he shouldn't need to say that at all i guess the other way to read that is it allows him to continue scumreading me, but that's not how i interpreted it the first time i read it | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:17 GlowingBear wrote: KSC isn't going to be lynched today and I will fight his lynch with all my might. and i will actually read the cases people are bringing. if you'd like to counter it, be my guest ![]() is there a reason you demanded my presence beyond asking where damdy and i were pointlessly? | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:24 KelsierSC wrote: this bf thing ... i think the scum read he gave on you, hf, is bad. I also think If i'm reading the thread it is pretty obvious that your response is not to rsol's large post just above it. his absence from the thread is probably more telling than the case itself. It feels like he felt that he had to post something and just vomited a read and then left. If he returns maybe there will be more to judge him on but i'd happily lynch him. he did return to do nothing but defend his read ![]() | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote: Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim? Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time. Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game. When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote: It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell ![]() And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town). Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote: Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games. LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum? ehhhh mostly just that he has this annoying habit (the same thing onegu was talking about, as we've both explained to him why it's bad ><) of claiming at the first sign of pressure to the point of ridiculousness (i.e. with hardly any or very few votes on him) he did this d1 in greymist's last massive themed game just because hf and i were expressing suspicions. 2 people in a game of nearly 30 with no votes on him i don't think i've seen him do it as scum? and i'm already townreading him for tone/meta reasons...he usually doesn't push much of anything as scum, for one...even though he knows this i kinda agree with damdy that ls seems to have a hard time (or lack motivation) to fix even the smallest things in his mafia game | ||
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i needs food \o/ and probably don't need to spam the thread with more blah before doing the digging i wanted to do you and your distractions, mig xP can you please comment on ksc, shocckey and...eh lol might as well with hf as well (ls don't use that meta. oneg's a git, but the whole "we don't get along" when one of us is scum thing is actually not as broad as it's being painted. it has to do with what hf chooses to focus on, like nitpicking the shit out of unimportant things...which really irritates me and that's why we don't get along...however i think where that happened this time might have had to do with my damn phone and regardless i don't trust other people to make the read properly :/ so respectfully find your own xP) | ||
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On June 18 2015 06:36 Mig wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 06:32 rsoultin wrote: ehhhh mostly just that he has this annoying habit (the same thing onegu was talking about, as we've both explained to him why it's bad ><) of claiming at the first sign of pressure to the point of ridiculousness (i.e. with hardly any or very few votes on him) he did this d1 in greymist's last massive themed game just because hf and i were expressing suspicions. 2 people in a game of nearly 30 with no votes on him i don't think i've seen him do it as scum? and i'm already townreading him for tone/meta reasons...he usually doesn't push much of anything as scum, for one...even though he knows this i kinda agree with damdy that ls seems to have a hard time (or lack motivation) to fix even the smallest things in his mafia game I find it pretty suspect to just believe his claim because he hasn't done it as scum yet. I mean it is going to happen eventually right? Is LS just going to play for the rest of his life always claiming whenever he is a town blue? Pretty convenient that his claim happens to be a named VT also, the one blue claim he can make where he doesnt have to do anything. Regarding pushing people, is he really pushing shockey at all? It seems more like parroting other people to me. Tone stuff I can't really argue with, I need to read his other games. i think it's normal to believe a blue claim when you're already townreading the player and he's claimed for equally poor reasons in similar situations -shrugs- it's more suspect if people suddenly reverse their reads? i don't think i saw any of that...unless you count oneg, but he didn't call him scum lol >< | ||
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Not lynching ls by a slightly lesser degree Next, damdy? | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:24 Damdred wrote: That's not good enough for me RS and you know it Trust me? | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:30 Damdred wrote: ...whatever Threads not fun to read at all and I was really looking forward to this game. I'll probably just sheep Ritoky or HF when the time comes. Any questions for me just ask daaaamdy talk to me about your other scumread(s) yeah? | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:30 Holyflare wrote: gb you gonna do anything? valid damdy, you still townreading gb? | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:39 GlowingBear wrote: Not now I kinda don't feel like reading the game Will do something later ... gb maybe scum after all liked yesterday but today was crap and then this | ||
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but you know...say something worth talking about xP or read the game or read the filters of the people being scumread/voted on at least you know, the normal things -_- | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:42 Fidei86 wrote: I guess I could put this another way - I read elsewhere on the forums that there is a happy medium for a town, in between too lurky (nobody can get reads) and too active (everything important gets swept away by a tidal wave of bullshit). At the moment I think we're waaaaay too far over to the latter right now, meaning that scum can easily skate by whilst all the active town just yell at each other. Part of me not wanting to start trying to get involved in the back and forth is that I'm just concerned I'm going to be adding even further to the clutter. why don't you and i play a game...let's do some work and dump things in the thread when we're done...no talking until then ^^ how's that? (you posting or not posting at this point will not change runaway thread) | ||
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On June 18 2015 07:56 Damdred wrote: Please don't ignore me, I need attention before I go to my corner. i'm sorry damdy! multi-tasking ![]() breshke being in australia means i don't expect him to post until right about nowish anyway, which is why i've been ignoring all the random calls to look into him lol >< gb is on my list to review...i dunnae he's seemed pretty sideline lately but maybe a filter dive will show me otherwise so you no longer think that one response to me is enough to make shocckey town? it was why i was sidelining him for the day | ||
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be townie? lol nah seriously you don't feel that interested to me today i'm just not gonna bother with people saying i'm "town" until lylo...i always feel that people overestimate my scumgame, but most continue to do it anyway, and it doesn't make them scum | ||
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On June 18 2015 08:06 Holyflare wrote: thing about shock is that if he is busy like he says then another cycle wouldn't particularly hurt to confirm if bs or not (or well not even a cycle we have tomorrow) true | ||
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i still want to know what changed his mind :/ changing a vote when it's obvious your push isn't going anywhere is one thing, but he said his read changed lol i should have said speaking of bugs and hypocrisy since he apparently thought i should fully explain a toneread yet when his scumread changes he doesn't bother to elaborate though relooking at the wording i suppose "not feeling that great about lynching her" doesn't actually say that his read changed directly -squints at it- yeah just in general more explanation than that would be nice @.@ | ||
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On June 18 2015 09:59 NydusHerMain wrote: I just got home from climbing. I left off at page 50 and I'm pretty much skipping to this page for a bit until I feel like reading but I'd skip anything I wrote in terms of Onegu and any discussion/interaction regarding it and I'd skip bugs and RS fighting. aw come now, maybe that case is worth something lololol >< (the interaction certainly isn't) another fight you can safely skip is where hf and i argue with each other over both scumreading bf -_- | ||
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i make excuse and do jack all, she makes excuses and has the largest filter in the game, why aren't we treated the same?!?! brilliant shock -flicks- did stop phone posting you bore me. what was even the point of that section? and why are you intent on lynching claimed blue over EVERY SINGLE OTHER PLAYER in the thread? when i'm pretty sure you'd never even mentioned him before (i'll check up on that; no worries) | ||
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On June 18 2015 13:26 ShoCkeyy wrote: This is why you have the biggest filter in the game. You just spam bullshit. it's cool. y'all don't get me and never have. i'm an acquired taste ![]() more relevant things now how long are you going to keep quoting nhm's post btw? did you noticed i answered it? what conclusions are you drawing from it? clearly it means something to you, or is supposed to, if you feel the need to repeat it? and stop being a child plzthx and kindly answer the questions rather than just fling mud i'm a sarcastic git but don't think i don't notice you ignoring the substantive pushes in my posts xP those questions above and why ls of everyone? | ||
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On June 18 2015 13:44 Breshke wrote: Lean town I liked his list post a while back, reads felt good. Seems fairly tunneled on LS but when you read over it it feels fairly townie because LS hasn't really given him a reason to get out of that tunnel other than claiming blue but i understand why this would not change ksc's opinion. You could also look at it that ksc is jsut trying to push ane asy misslynch but when i read his posts i feel real frustration from him when LS doesn't really give him any answers. So i think it is much more likely to be a townie thing. How about yourself? Other than the length of his filter. lol rereading ksc's filter i actually have him as one of my strongest townreads i just don't see that level of play likely to be replicated by scum at all like i told mig, the strangest reaction to ls' blue claim would be a sudden read change -shrugs- | ||
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On June 18 2015 13:52 ritoky wrote: ugh i am in such a bad headspace right now. reading this thread making me angrier. ![]() why so angry? | ||
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On June 18 2015 13:54 GlowingBear wrote: Here is my problem: I never intended to put effort in smurf hunting by calling him Rayn. I do this everytime with smurfs. Your interpretation was a huge overreaction. But the biggest problem is not that you looked at me and said: "GB we shouldn't smurf hunt dude" if you really read me as town. My concern is that you just posted "WOW YOU'RE SMURF HUNTING THAT'S ODD" in such a way that you clearly was throwing suspicions at me. Why throwing suspicions like that on someone you think is town instead of simply SUGGESTING that I should not scum hunt? dude haven't i already told you to let this go -_- even if ls is scum this has no bearing on his alignment. stop quibbling over trivialities | ||
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On June 18 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote: Rsoultin, dear, you're probably town, let's do something together? i'm filter-diving and keeping an eye on the thread you initiate xP buuuusssssyyyy | ||
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On June 18 2015 13:58 Breshke wrote: Are you agreeing with me here? Because yeah the bolded is what i was trying to express but i did it in a more confusing way. Wait that means i was probably agreeing with you then. Cool lol yes we are in resounding agreement again ![]() | ||
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On June 18 2015 14:01 ritoky wrote: real life shit and LS' posting. i am about to say some fucking anti-town shit and i don't give a fuck. unless LS gets to a place where i can town read him for the remainder of the game today or there is slam dunk mafia i am probably voting on him. and i actually somewhat believe his blue claim is real. the problem is the guy keeps spewing anti-town sentiment every time he posts, seriously....he is going to be left alive all fucking game on this question mark of a claim and every phase we are gonna do the "whooaaaa should i lynch him today? dance" and it will probably cost town the fucking game. oh an if you're gonna fucking claim masons with damdred instead of your named VT shit, just do it. you're not subtle in the slightest. since you already claimed blue, if you don't do it now never gonna believe that shit. the state of this game angers me because i think the two people playing the most anti-town are likely town and we are in terrible trouble. ls and wbg if i recall correctly? eh turning off that rsoul persona y'all know and love -coughs- i understand your anger, ritoky. the reason i have so much trouble turning off the growl is nothing irritates me more than terrible arguments of nothing when i'm trying to solve a game...but there are always going to be bad players and bad plays and what it comes down to is if you actually think/believe these players are town you're gonna just have to let it go, you know? lol there's a reason my reads are like so much better on the big names...whether or not they're just being bad usually isn't in question work with me to find the scum? and while you're at it, if you have a townread on wbg, can you please explain it? his push on me...blah...and i just reread ksc and it's like how does anyone come up with scum from that? @.@ i don't get it when y'all are treating wbg like he's actually good (and i know he caught scum last game) | ||
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On June 18 2015 14:03 GlowingBear wrote: How come not? He saw an opportunity to discredit me and took it, even while townreading me. Tell me how a town would react this way. if he indeed was attempting to discredit you, sure xP but how do you know that's what he actually was doing? or how strong his townread on you is? do you never question townreads when they say something that looks weird to you? see why this doesn't matter yet? | ||
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i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch? your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< | ||
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On June 18 2015 14:17 ritoky wrote: alright let's find a scum case good enough to make me not vote on LS. who's your town, let's compare lists. lol >< you're catching me in the middle of my filter dives so i think this may change suddenly so bear with me :/ currently you, fidei and ksc are my top towns just got finished diving shockey and i dunnae...maybe you wouldn't mind taking a look at his filter? it doesn't actually seem that bad like the push on damdy was when damdy gave pretty paintbrush reads after being asked to substantiate them, which i think is fairly justified...plus you know, he posts an entire list of everyone and then criticizes damdy for 3...to me that seems like maybe he thinks posting lists like that is the right thing for town to do lol >< not a townread but i don't think i really want to lynch him today anymore | ||
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On June 18 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote: that's cool. you once made a terrible list post a couple hours into the day and it was terrible. can you do that again but make it less terrible this time? thanks. very much this | ||
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On June 18 2015 14:26 ritoky wrote: you have fringe townies, cuz a list of you + 3 is not exactly a good place to begin PoEing down who to look into. lol xP i'm not adding on my feels...that's as far as i've gotten with filters @.@ so as i said, bear with me i'm actually more interested in if you disagree with anything i have yet | ||
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On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote: In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. oh i actually thought this was directed at rit lol >< dude, you're going to have to get over the fact that i'm ridiculously involved in threads. there's a method to the madness, and maybe it's not the best for town i'll admit but it somehow works best for me and regardless scum kills me frequently enough that apparently they don't like it either not really gonna change just cause people disapprove (especially since i doubt i can xP) if you read my filter, really read it, you will find what everyone finds and namely that is there's a ton more content than meets the eye ![]() | ||
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but he and bresh when they're posting make me want to croon...more comfortable with bresh obviously lol i don't know mig but still not lynching fidei honestly i'm probably going to go with bf even though i have trouble shaking early paranoid feels and hf gave me those xP but i just want to make sure i'm not missing anything (i'd prob add wbg to that list, honestly...maybe he's just bad though...it's that i'm getting the impression from people that he isn't that worries me) | ||
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On June 18 2015 14:37 ritoky wrote: I agree with your points but not necessarily your conclusion. Because you seem to not regard the fact that he has done stupid claim shit like this as town on day 1 under no lynch pressure before. Your points aren't wrong, those are anti-town things and his responses to you are bleh at best. I learned from a recent Obs game that rsoul is an easy read for me in the late game. The problem is she shoots me as scum early in games and I shoot her as scum early in games so neither one of us ever gets there is we are opposing alignments. She is town for now cuz she seems interested in solving the game; will re-evaluate later. Except I expect after my outburst I am gonna get the HF treatment tonight. o.0 all of these it's impossible to tell reads; my scum game is seriously not as good as y'all give me credit for at least i get honorary townread in the beginning pbbbbfffttt xP | ||
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On June 18 2015 14:44 ritoky wrote: naw i think your early scum game is really good. it appears the same as your town game. i just find you super obvious around D3 and beyond in recent memory of your games. ah, that i can believe. i still haven't worked out how to handle me teammates, especially when they're struggling ![]() not important right now bueno okay with a lohen lynch as well...kinda want to sit on that for a little bit longer though for reasons i'm not gonna go into presently in case they prompt him to act a certain way ^^ | ||
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shitfight nai townreading us? those two don't compute, and i don't expect you to contradict yourself in the same post | ||
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![]() bresh explain that post don't just ooohhhhhh at me this filter dive isn't getting done tonight so i'm just gonna park where i'm at i agree with hf on bf...with the addition that him scumreading hf for hf's read on me without having a read on me and saying he'll read me later...makes no earthly sense. how can he know it's "bad" if he hasn't even checked it? the meta thing is whatever (don't care about that) but the logic isn't there and also there's the coming back to the thread much later to just talk about the same read i don't know why hf of everyone else. not gonna worry about that right now lohen i could lynch tomorrow easily, is the best way to put it i'd currently lynch bf lohen va in that order i'm not ready to hard townread hf and damdy's fallen off for me a bit, too...both of which worry me. not today's lynches though by a longshot bresh...i kinda feel like i can read him but i need to filter dive him to stop the doubts you started rit xP so, there's that eeeeehhhhhh i think that's it liking gb a little better again >> now that he's stopped hyperfocusing on everyone else's reads on him. kinda like how he pushed in like screw you guys (i'm weird; so sue me) | ||
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On June 18 2015 14:54 GlowingBear wrote: RSOULTIN What about the list I proposed? Anyone there that you don't want to lynch today? i responded to that already i thought? regardless just posted my much shorter list | ||
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hf can be town for at least d1 with how he's been acting the last 24...i'll try to forget early d1 xP for now | ||
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On June 18 2015 15:08 Breshke wrote: I already explained it. Well explained the lack of explanation. I had very small if not shitty reasoning for townreading you both there. I could even say that it was a bid to make the fighting between you look dumb (because it was) but i don't know how well i thought that through. I can't explain saying i townread you and bugs there more than I have already and if that makes you doubt im town thats a shame but there isn't anything more to add about it. now i remember that post lol >< simple question then. were your reads related to the shitfight at all? all i need to know | ||
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On June 18 2015 15:05 Holyflare wrote: Ahh ye olde sheep and hedge A classic -shrugs- say what you will xP my waffling at least has to do with your play and not where your read is on me at any present moment lol | ||
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On June 18 2015 15:13 Breshke wrote: I assume you mean the townreads on you and bugs. If so then no then we're good ^^ | ||
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Who cares really? That's prob enough to remove lohen from my d1 list as a replacement though Do I have to vote you wbg to get you to answer my questions on your read change? I'd rather not cause while I disagree strongly on ksc, your points on gb were decent Also at all you lovelies wanting to kill someone you think is town...isn't that what like cop/vig roles are for? Would make more sense if most people thought he was scum don't really get it Also just random thought...I figured out what's bugging me about damdy. Tells ls he's got his back but doesn't really marry actions to words. Tryna decide if that's just cause he's upset about his case being ignored or not though | ||
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His last scum game he was very focused on others reads on him as well and I was getting deja vu yesterday but a read switch would be much more damning I think | ||
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Also read on mig wbg since you know him better and wanted him to post. I'm a sucker for logic. Can he post like this as scum? | ||
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So at that time i'll reengage hopefully with townies willing to attempt to be unbiased in catching me up on only the important points lol >< fight on this pg alone is hurting my head a little Hasta luego | ||
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On June 19 2015 03:09 wherebugsgo wrote: actually rsoultin, Mig, Breshke and HF I want to read your opinions on GB too. Maybe at least one of you will respond so I have something to work with. We have like 5 hours and I don't want to lynch either BF or LS today I'm a tone player and I do think something is off about gb this game, but the way I do things is look at the arguments and see if it matches my impressions. There are enough things about gbs play.that sit uneasy with me to entertain arguments against him...and I liked the.read change point after the.claim especially as that doesn't make sense to me. I need the time to review your points and his filter before i decide if it's bad enough.to.vote him over bf though | ||
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well at least people are happy to give me a tldr i think i'll just look at the original case and gb's filter ummmm sidenote (don't even know if this applies) but arguments that gb is illogical is what i did in my first game with him...it's how he is @.@ so word to the wise, arguments like that won't convince me he's scum lol | ||
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off a terrible case xP as town lol >< | ||
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enough we don't need this wbg/fidei sidebar. if you're trying to get reads on each other save it for night the time for pokes and prods and spam and shitfights is past, ne? wbg, either your most concise post on the case against gb, please, or better yet break it down for me in short bullet format so i can see if it matches what i see when i dive gb the other wagon is bf...and maybe ls? main points against them if they've changed but i'm pretty sure i've caught up as it is on those two i don't want to see any more talk right now about anyone you don't want to ACTUALLY LYNCH this day phase, and please cut out the sidebar conversations thank you -_- | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:41 ritoky wrote: rsoul i am still upset with you -.- is this relevant or can it wait until after the day phase? (if it's about leaving early i apologize, but you know class and speeches and all that jazz ![]() | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:46 ritoky wrote: not it is about ignoring my case on migs when you came back to the thread -.- and i want to lynch migs...but that's probably not happening. oh, that! yeah, i saw your case on migs and got your point :/ it went against my <3s at logical players lol like breshke in all honesty, which was why i asked wbg if migs is capable of posting really logically like that when he's scum. wbg didn't seem to think so and i've got a decent townread on him i think so i feel i can at least trust that he believes that does that make sense? i was paying attention, just oddly enough...not...sharing every single thought in my head i get your point, though. let me take a look at migs next to see if his filter gives me a different feel | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:46 Lohengramm wrote: I tentatively dislike lynching GB but I'm only on p6 of his filter. It reads tonally carefree. so much this ![]() if wbg doesn't give me a breakdown of his points i'm just going to ignore this wagon on gb entirely, because i'm halfway through it and i don't see gb posting this way as scum, in all honesty | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:56 wherebugsgo wrote: his flip on Onegu was also really weird given that when he was town in another game he claimed that not giving reasons for reads/actions is scummy. ??? i see a reason in his filter, but if you want to ask him you can (like literally i'm looking at it right now lol ><) | ||
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On June 19 2015 05:51 wherebugsgo wrote: just read page 82 onward. My initial scum read of him was greatly strengthened by how he started attacking me back later, and then he slipped really hard several times. The initial read was primarily based on GB flipping his read of LS after LS claimed named VT, which I thought that a townie would not do. I also found it odd that he kept pushing low-hanging fruit like VA and despite stating that he wanted to consolidate or collaborate with me he never asked me anything or gave me any sort of real feedback on reads besides that one poke about whether I wanted to lynch VA. Anyway, from page 82 onward here's what happened. 1. GB claimed that it is antitown to not help town pare down the lynch list despite the fact that he himself was throwing reads around on multiple players. Indeed his latest case was on Breshke, someone I consider likely to be town and very unlikely to get lynched this cycle. Rather odd for GB to claim that not consolidating is antitown yet make a case on someone who's not gonna get lynched. 2. He claimed I was very willing to lynch lurkers last game, here: Which I called out as a misrepresentation of my play. In the previous game I tried to get him and LS lynched on day 1, both of whom were ACTIVE MAFIA. 3. He decided to double down on the above and I posted this in response to him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?page=83#1641 As you can see he quoted two sets of posts I made from the previous game in an attempt to say that I am scum here because I am not willing to lynch into lurkers. That was obviously not the case then and it's not the case now. 4. KSC's response to GB's Breshke "case" which was overall super shitty 5. VA and Shockeyy's points re: GB getting fake mad and typing in all caps as scum, with two different games as reference (last game in Witch in which myself and Shockeyy played against his scum and GoT mafia from VA) 6. HF's points and reinforcement of most of these things from his own perspective 1. eh, that's explained by him assuming that his list is The List, which that level of egocentrism is more likely town than scum, and breshke topped his list 2. his defense for this point is fine, actually, unless you're completely unwilling to lynch lurkers? 3. eh...sadly i think you both are misrepresenting each other's arguments here tbh 4. already said don't really care if gb made a bad case. he does that. nai 5. all caps he's done as town. again. nai i'll look at hf's points overall the strongest point is still the ls read reversal which i have yet to get to in gb's filter, but tonally he looks town to me, so the nai stuff here really just isn't...that convincing | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:46 GlowingBear wrote: Actually, I decided to go re-read his filter and I've got another impression on his opening. It felt... bored. Meh. Breshke is right, my read on Onegu is weak. Rescinding the scumread now. ^ considering that was the focalpoint of his scumread on him, that he thought onegu's claim was "forced"...i know it's tone and you don't like tone, wbg...this actually makes sense i found him voting oneg for "forgetting" his own rule, then dropping the vote when he realized he was wrong about the rule, much more interesting and one of the things that makes me think he's town | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:06 Holyflare wrote: onegu, shockey, yamato, ritoky and mig with the wasted votes and a lot of people completely ignoring what i write about bf sweeeeet even if you're right that it's more null than scum, hf, i'm not seeing how most of this makes gb scum but i'm still parsing through it hypocrisy doesn't make people scum contradictions don't misrepresentations don't (people misunderstand things or see things differently all the time) you know what i'm saying? i just need to skip ahead to the ls read i think that's where the real money here is :/ | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:11 wherebugsgo wrote: What? Topped his list how? Breshke was a townread in his list, here: Given that you did not play in the previous game with us, I can potentially understand why you think this, but no, his defense was not fine. I am not willing to lynch lurkers when there are scummier people to lynch. This is not a binary "I do not want to lynch lurkers" or "I want to lynch lurkers" kind of problem and thinking in that way is oversimplifying the issue. The issue is that he misconstrued my play as saying I was willing to policy lynch lurkers in the previous game which a blatant misrepresentation. Then you're not reading my posts properly. Or his, for that matter. Context matters, just go look at how he represents my play from the previous games and read the posts he quoted from Witchcraft. Ask LS if you need more confirmation, he was scum with GB that game and he agrees with me. It's not just the case being bad, it's the way he presented it. Why would he spend 5-10 posts talking about how he's going to post a case on Breshke instead of just doing it without telegraphing it so hard? Why does he need to spend that time making it look like he's about to contribute something if he's town? Source, please. refer to carol for both 5 and 6 he does this as town lol >< and i scumread him for exactly these two reasons incorrectly that game. carol is the second game in my profile | ||
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there's too much lightness and back and forth and reactivity and i know he's not good at reproducing that as scum. i know that i know that i know he's not. it's what made it so obvious when i read his smurf filter...he was focused on one thing for PAGES which isn't him, even when he's tunneled | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:18 wherebugsgo wrote: wat that's literally what he's doing this game re: his scum read of me. The only difference is that he's probably self-aware of that now and his scum game actually isn't that bad. He was fairly convincing to everyone last game that he wasn't scum and they all yelled at me then for calling him scum. dude i literally called him out by looking at his filter for two minutes that game so when you speak to me about how "good" his scumgame is, realize that his "good" scumgame i caught in seconds. i'm not saying you couldn't be right on his alignment but i'm saying it's the read you're trashing that allowed me to catch him and no, he's not focusing solely on you, wbg...not at all looking at his filter :/ hf...i told you i don't have the time for the nitty gritty so stop trying to bully me...it makes me want to kick you in the ankles and run away laughing | ||
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dude i'll eat crow if gb is scum and i'm fine with that. i don't like the arguments -shrugs- gb, what were the reactions you were looking for supposedly when going at ls? | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:27 wherebugsgo wrote: you're not good, and it doesn't matter because literally no one can validate what you are saying and it wasn't in a game. You have 0 substantiation for any of your points in his defense, like literally the only thing we have to go off is your word. It's pretty flimsy in a game where evidence is supremely important -snorts- i really hope both you and gb are town just for the ego stroke here, not gonna lie i get it's not enough to convince you but frankly, those people who do actually think my reads are worth anything at least know where i stand, and that's enough for me right now. it's been awhile since i pretended i could lead town or i was infallible xP | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:31 Breshke wrote: rso, what do you think about GB's case on me I have like no time tor ead the thread so please dont tell me to go look nah i get it i have no time either i only skimmed it i don't think bad cases from gb are alignment indicative in general, though his hf case in carol was the shit, too lol >< | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:31 ritoky wrote: i now have a bizarre read where bugs and shcokkey are mafia together cuz bug prompted shockkey for a response out of nowhere after shockkey had been gone for a long time and then shockkey showed up and responded and shit shortly after and i don't rly care for that vote. the vote is definitely bad, yeah so is the bf one i agree with gb that there's no reason even to make up a reason when it's obviously just survival why bother justifying? | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:34 LightningStrike wrote: The case on you from GB was bad and was shut down by KSC and others(I think). LS, if you're townreading me bby this time sheep me i'm about as certain as i can be that gb is not scum here...why do you think he's scum? | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:37 Breshke wrote: My problem is that GB said i did a bunch of small NAI things that he think made me scummy when I don't really see that in the case nor do i see how that made me go from like his top town to top scum. Meh I thought he was really town though. this will probably be answered in his response as to what he was doing with ls if i'm reading his motivations correctly, so hopefully he answers that soon -_- though i remember him starting to get antsy about you much earlier so maybe i'm just wrong GB are you here? | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:37 Breshke wrote: I think a new player is more likely to do this tbh regarding bf? i've seen shining do it so yeah that's possible...he had me on his back for it most of that game the git xP | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote: Didn't see your question, can you address it to me again? the ls "reaction" thing you were doing...can you explain what the purpose was and what you got out of it please? | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:40 LightningStrike wrote: I like Bugs case on GB plus some of the meta points by VA and Shockeyy esp because I just played with GB when he was scum. Why not sheep me instead? lol cause i'm pretty sure you're wrong and bugs' case isn't actually a scum case hf's might be but it's too scattered to follow and frankly i don't think it supersedes what i know of gb's play xP | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:44 wherebugsgo wrote: also jesus why does this GB lynch have so much resistance it's possible we have a scum v. town here but i'm not convinced the scum is gb, dude you really have to stop this only seeing things from one perspective thing you do btw it's kinda...off-putting | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:45 Holyflare wrote: lynch the fuck out of this guy right now RIGHT NOW anyone that is voting for boxerfred ANSWER THIS QUESTION WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR THE GUY THAT HAS PROMISED TO PLAY IN FUTURE CYCLES WITH THE GUY THAT IS SCUM READING HIM FOR HIS FIRST POST IN THE GAME????? ^ misrepresentation go away | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:49 Holyflare wrote: HAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NO IT'S NOT PROVE IT IS OR GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR USELESS CRAP how about you try giant list of people he's willing to lynch well before this you're just being ridiculous now | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:52 LightningStrike wrote: (Sits on Tina's head) You letting GB get lynched at this point lol. i'm on bf? | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:53 Holyflare wrote: you are very likely mafia for all of this shit lol i'm definitely not mafia nice way to set it up when he flips town for the tmi accusation though 10/10 oh wait doesn't that mean you'd have tmi too? o.0 | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:55 Holyflare wrote: this has nothing to do with his flip you are saying all of my arguments are crap and making false posts at a time when it's key to actually talk about them you're being fucking useless in a tense moment where i'm posting valid points either say how it's misrepresentation WHEN BF IS IN HIS SCUM LIST or die excuse me? what exactly are you even TRYING to say? are you talking about his vote on shockey now? | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:58 Holyflare wrote: what the fuck are YOU saying gb thinks boxerfred is mafia because of his first post in the game, i am saying that people are voting with mafia gb who has the shittest reasons ever to be on a boxerfred wagon you roll in say gb is town and that's a misrepresenation because i should read glowingbears lynch list???? boxerfred is in fucking glowingbears lynch list you are repeatedly discrediting any good directional post i make i'm saying that i'm pretty sure that's not the only reason gb thinks bf is mafia and regardless he's voting shockey so what is your point other than to throw out random irrelevant things right before the lynch? it's not directional if it lacks direction | ||
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gb prob town too though so...-shrugs- though if any blue wants to check that over a lurker i'm not gonna complain lol >< | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:18 Holyflare wrote: on no planet am i ever letting this post of yours slide ever show me, and IF gb is scum i'll apologize ^^ but not before | ||
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On June 19 2015 06:49 Holyflare wrote: HAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NO IT'S NOT PROVE IT IS OR GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR USELESS CRAP ^ if that's the post you're referring to o.0 wtf hf did you read it before you quoted it? | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:25 Holyflare wrote: after contemplating what happened at deadline after i've given countless reasons for gb to be mafia and to hold off lynch bf i've come to the conclusion that this is the most accurate vote count analysis lol i really really hope i'm right just cause of the egos that would make me laugh so hard possibly for days and if not well...i guess this is the last time gb can enjoy an rsoul defense for awhile xP so he'd better milk it while he can | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:27 Holyflare wrote: holy fucking shit i know that and that is not a reason i scum read him at all?! i say gb's only reason to scum read boxerfred is his first post in the game rsoul says it's misrep and to look at his lynch list bf is in his lynch list?? she says it's misrep because he has other reasons HE HAD NO OTHER REASONS she says yeh whatever he's on shockey it's fucking obvious why he's on shockey because it's blatently to save himself like what are you even talking about? you're trying to say he has one reason to lynch bf when there are clearly more than one in the post YOU QUOTED to disprove me which is...especially hilarious so yes IT WAS BLATANT MISREPRESENTATION and him being on shockey helps him how? makes him scum how? i fail to see the point /unless/ he wasn't scumreading shockey and why is he more likely to divide wagons as scum than town anyway? like are you paying attention to what you're even saying here? | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:29 wherebugsgo wrote: yet you don't seem to give a shit that you were wrong on BF?? ?? i said i thought gb was town and would vote bf or shockey to save him so the lurker was town okay, that sucks, but I DO NOT THINK this makes gb scum should i give a damn someone who can't be read well (or at least hadn't shown any sign that he could) was lynched as town over someone i believe is town who actually plays the game? cause i don't xP | ||
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so basically you're telling me that he said his first reason was bad somewhere else then gave it as a reason bf was scum so as such you're only counting one reason and then when i said pretty sure that's not his only reason so you were misrepresenting him to try to get him lynched you then come after me? lol >< cute okay, well, if he did say that reason was bad before giving it as his reason i see why you see it differently but i don't remember any such post from him so you should probably show me ^ | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:33 wherebugsgo wrote: nice excuse for lynching town you're probably scum too tbh lol i'm the most confirmed town in existence ![]() and yes i will always lynch a null or scumread over a townread and i WILL NOT apologize for it so go point fingers somewhere else big boy | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:35 wherebugsgo wrote: like that answer makes no sense. it is YOUR fault that you lynched town because you voted for a townie. If you don't want to figure out why you were wrong it makes your play scummy. So if you are really town you'll go back and reread all the shit we said on GB and reread everything that occurred while you were gone because you clearly have demonstrated an inability to read at least one player in the game so far. Don't blame BF for him getting lynched when we know from his perspective that he was genuine given that he has flipped scum. That's a really convenient cop out given that the blame gets put on a player who no longer has any impact on the game. lol i'm not blaming bf...you're misreading what i'm saying i'm saying i don't care cause i think gb is still town so it doesn't matter you can scumread me (well you can do whatever you want actually) but you can JUSTIFIABLY scumread me if i don't make an effort to reevaluate or whatever but presuming that i won't and basing your read on that is ludicrous pull your head out your ass, kindly i don't need the lecture and i don't care what you think, cause your bs doesn't change my role pm | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:38 wherebugsgo wrote: no shit if this is actually your mentality as town no wonder you're so terrible just like oneguseless who, if town, wasted his vote for half the day on an alleged town read ^^ you're just a walk in the park yourself. i'm not engaging with you until you decide to play the game again instead of just attacking me as a person shoo | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:40 Breshke wrote: Rsoul. There was two reasons GB thought BF was scum in that post. 1 (some shit about kelsier) 2 (His first post)That post occured first. HF then made a case on BF which involved point 1. GB then said no thats not right point 1 doesnt make him mafia anymore. Therefore GB only had point 2 to call BF scum about since he no longer agreed with point 1. Now I have no idea if this is all true iirc it is but you are misunderstanding what he is trying to say i kinda just said how am i supposed to know gb withdrew or countered his own point in another post? thanks for trying to clear it up, though. i'm trying to clear it up with him, too @.@ | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:41 wherebugsgo wrote: it DOES matter because the best chance for us to hit scum tomorrow is to lynch into the boxerfred voting list. Since we're around now why don't you give me your #1 scumread? no i'm going to eat then review the game again though i agree scum was probably on both wagons, for what it's worth | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:44 Holyflare wrote: because i made that point multiple times during the thread haven't read the whole thread sorry -shrugs- | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:46 wherebugsgo wrote: if I don't get something prior to the silence period I'm going to assume you are scum with GB ...you do realize that threatening me is likely to achieve the opposite of the intended effect i'll play the game the way i damn well please, and that includes trusting MY READS over yours, and taking the time to make those reads instead of adhering to your timetable this behavior is not as helpful to town as you seem to thing it is | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:52 wherebugsgo wrote: yes, cause trusting your read on BF has really worked out well for you so far. That mentality again makes no sense if you are town because you've already been proven to be dead wrong lol god you're annoying you're acting like i was balls to the wall bf is scum i was balls to the wall gb is town if you can't understand that i don't know how to make it any clearer i really am going to just ignore you if you can't manage rationality and civility...i don't need to talk to you to get reads or play the game i've been nice YOU failed to convince me gb is scum. YOUR points were weak. YOU have some of the responsibility as well...and especially if gb is town as i believe he is YOU should be reevaluating your reads just as much as the rest of us | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:00 GlowingBear wrote: YEAH, MA'AM! YOU TELL HIM! you do realize if you're scum fooling me i will skiiiiiiiin you gb right >< just for making me look the fool and then writing posts like this lol no more advice on women problems for at least a week xP | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:01 wherebugsgo wrote: no, the onus is not on me to reevaluate anything given that there is no evidence that GB is town. The onus is on YOU because you were proven to be wrong about at least one player. I will reevaluate, based on who pushed boxerfred because I actually want to win this game, unlike you, who are only interested in passing blame around. BTW how would you explain why GB is so certain there are 4 mafia in this game if he is not scum? it's true that about 20% of the player base is usually scum? i guess it could be a scum slip but how often does that actually happen? lol | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:09 wherebugsgo wrote: it's happened in one of my first games here, a long time ago, like 3-4 years. Don't remember the exact details but the dude slipped in a closed setup with 24ish people that the scum KP had to be 2 because # KP = mafia / 2 or something like that, and the third KP had to be from a vig or SK. No idea why he said it but he ended up flipping scum. honestly ritoky scumslipped....i think it was ritoky?...in carol, so i do know that it happens. however i've seen plenty of people estimate the number of scum and even do it correctly as town (experience with the game makes it easy to guess) so i don't really think it means anything anyway in my own time though probably tonight cause i won't have time after class tomorrow thank you for toning it down to a discussion. i respond to that much better | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote: If GB flips scum will bow down to HF and Bugs? bow down? lol never i'll admit i was wrong i'm not a retard. you've seen me sheep people whose reads i trust more than mine on certain players when i'm townreading them multiple times. don't ask silly questions ls xP | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:15 GlowingBear wrote: Rsoultin, I think bugs is Mafia. Am I tunneled? omgusing maybe? i can't toneread someone i've never played with objectively even though i don't think most of his cases really have things in them that make people scum (he focuses on motivation narrative way too much for my liking, and just my experience with his case on me makes it clear how faulty that sort of focus can be) the fact that he seems to be bringing attention to people who otherwise aren't being scrutinized strikes me as townie? i have no experience with what is or isn't in this guy's scum range, though | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote: That Carol when you were a mean scum :O lol the game i was referring to rit ^^ you were trying to push me it was delightful ![]() | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:25 GlowingBear wrote: I promise you I would never play with your heart as scum hun unless i see something that convinces me otherwise i'm not gonna change my read based of one wifom nk post but please stop trying to butter up to me it's making my skin crawl i'm stubborn. trust that. talk to me about reads and don't give me the willies okay i'm out. food. work. reads post coming later | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:27 wherebugsgo wrote: supposing GB is not scum who do you actually think is? You didn't bother to answer me before which is rather weird because if you are indeed town I would expect you to at least have some suspects you have to realize that from the perspective of someone who is reading both wagons as town (bf flipped gb read) the game is still very open, yeah? i have no real new information...i personally think i'll find scum in the least invested people in the lynch, which i need to review i also am actually missing about 15 pages from the course of the day va is an old read and i'm not content with discussing him on old information so do you mind just waiting and allowing me to do my thing, please? | ||
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i'm not getting into another fight with you | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:31 LightningStrike wrote: I mean fake claimed named VT obviously...... ... meeeeeeh yes hf i see it ls i really to god hope you're scum cause this is a new level of shit play if you're town, you do realize that right? | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:32 wherebugsgo wrote: also why would I bother giving you time to potentially fabricate shit when most of what you post is incredibly underwhelming? I would expect a townie to be able to give me something right off the bat instead of having to twiddle around for a while. My read of you is like a roller coaster it seems. Every time I think one way I find reasons to flip back over again xP you seem to keep missing that i don't care lol trust me, i can fabricate shit just fine on the spot...or don't trust me. you can just actually read one of my scum games. my latest one was actually pretty good ![]() | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:37 Lohengramm wrote: tina talk to me I need someone who has read this game to tell me what to think about LS I'm beginning to question my own sanity. ummm i haven't read the whole game i don't know what the fuck he's doing any more than anyone else i've seen him claim VT under next to no pressure but never seen him fakeclaim under next to no pressure >< this is uncharted territory | ||
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blah i keep saying i'm going to get food i need to i'm out unless i have questions later...not gonna post again until i actually review the thread, eat your heart out wbg | ||
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yes scum can bus but why when town bf is the other wagon? is this a serious question? | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:44 rsoultin wrote: yes scum can bus but why when town bf is the other wagon? is this a serious question? | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:48 wherebugsgo wrote: he didn't die so how do we know either way also since LS and GB were scum last game they very well could've told LS to bus GB because of the whole meta factor and all that shit. First of all who's gonna guess that they roll scum together two games in a row. Last time GB defended LS from dying day 1 and it's not out of the question that they could've decided to do it the other way around this time when GB started taking lynch attention from me. It actually makes sense now that I think about it because LS has been buddying me really hard all game everyone else gets it's unlikely shouldn't that tell you something? | ||
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On June 19 2015 09:35 Breshke wrote: what do you think about GB now? Also bugs what information should people gather from you and ritoky discussing who is better than who? <3 bresh i'm gonna bounce my thoughts off you later; you plan on being around yeah? | ||
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On June 19 2015 09:42 Breshke wrote: Should be, I have work in like 8 hours (which will go for 5 hours) But I assume you mean before then yeah...5 at most i just have things i need to get done for tomorrow but wanted to catch you before the night phase ended | ||
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On June 19 2015 09:44 wherebugsgo wrote: I honestly don't care if some people think I am mafia. If they are town and they want to think that they are in some bizarro world they can, but they aren't doing themselves or the rest of the team any favours in doing so. Right now I'm pretty annoyed with the game given that I basically posted constantly and gave the best effort I could possibly give to get GB lynched and yet we lost at the end because of people like Shockeyy and Onegu who did absolutely nothing all game and yet had the greatest influence over the lynch in the end. The best part about all of this is that we have people like rsoultin who are fairly likely to be town at the end of it all complaining about the thread being hard or too long to read when they have the largest filters in the game, and yet having literally 0 scumreads over a space of 48 hours. while i work with the more than 0 scumreads i already gave you almighty amazing reader misrepresenting me so awesomely right now, do you mind attempting to reapproach the game from the perspective that you might actually be mistaken on gb, or is that a futile request for me to make, even as a hypothetical exercise? | ||
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On June 19 2015 09:55 wherebugsgo wrote: I already did that and the game actually doesn't make sense from that perspective why the fuck would multiple people hammer BF right at the end with no explanation whatsoever if there were two townies up for lynch? The case on GB was far stronger than the one on BF and pretty much the only person that disagreed with that was you. In fact, even some people who supposedly agreed with the GB case, e.g. Shockeyy and Mig voted BF instead of GB, while our troll friend ritoky over here ended up kindly wasting his vote completely. I want to give yamato the benefit of the doubt that he legitimately just forgot to vote or whatever but that lack of vote is also really damning for him given that he also found GB scummy prior to the lynch. Whatever though, I hate replacements and given his posting style and comments this game he's probably not scum anyway. nh if i come to the same conclusion, i'll let you know. on the surface that does seem strange | ||
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ls ![]() i do have a question why the fake claim instead of just VT when you've claimed VT before? that's what has me thrown. i honestly can't recall you fake-claiming ever (and even though i've come to accept that town players do it all the time for stupid reasons, i still detest the practice because i think it causes more confusion rather than brings any sort of benefit to town, but if i scumread/lynched people for everything i didn't agree with i'd have so few townreads it'd be hilarious) | ||
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this isn't scum ls...answer it for those scumreading you if you like but i don't really need your answer reads would be better | ||
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i'm just gonna come right out and be blunt about it (sorry if i offend you ls) lightningstrike, who barely can scratch together the motivation to play under normal circumstances, has been trying way too hard for scum given circumstances that he'd have to be a complete asshole to make up. and he's not a complete asshole <3 simply, if he rolled scum, he would definitely have replaced out much earlier and i sincerely doubt hts doesn't prioritize his request all things considered like the only way this isn't true if he's lying about what happened which i refuse to believe he'd even consider doing he's basically confirmed town in my eyes, and really should be to any players who know him more than passingly that's my spiel | ||
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xP lol i'll accept what you give me cause it's nice not to be called cancer-inducing lol >< do you disagree with what i said about ls, rit? | ||
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On June 19 2015 11:09 Breshke wrote: damnnn this read feels dirty. What if after last game he decided to try and step it up. dirty in what way? like, there are things about lightningstrike that i simply don't say cause it's not my place, but this comes from a place beyond meta or tone and goes right to his personality. i've talked to him extensively and we've spent time together outside this forum. personally, and i understand if people don't accept this judgment but i'm pretty confident of it, i think it is completely beyond him to do this as scum. he's been criticized multiple times for being lazy as scum and not playing simply because he's not "motivated". if he ever does overcome that, i sincerely doubt this is that first time | ||
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On June 19 2015 11:19 Breshke wrote: Like dirty as in it can't be argued with if that makes sense? Maybe more like scum will be pissed because there goes a misslynch they could have gotten and there is nothing they can really do about it because it is based not on what LS has provided for the game but on who he is as a person. Dirty was definitely the wrong word but I think that jsut comes from the fact that I will probably never vote on LS because of it. lol sorry >< i wasn't trying to manipulate anyone really, just...i don't think after coming to that conclusion that i can easily avoid tearing into people for going after him so i figured it best to just post it now | ||
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On June 19 2015 11:17 wherebugsgo wrote: yeah I get that impression too, like most of his posts are near impossible to fake, especially right after another game in which he rolled mafia but had no motivation at all to play scum. People don't get 500x better overnight, and for LS to be scum here he would have to have transformed into some magic mind mender quite literally overnight. you can take that at face value though since I've only played the one game with him, but even though I may not know LS personally I feel really strongly about that read. -shrugs- i agree and i know him a lot better than you do? so that's fine? ^mostly just posted this to acknowledge your existence | ||
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On June 19 2015 11:24 Breshke wrote: Hmm. I find this very intresting but im happy to wait for the day to start. I disliked that when fidel was talking about how he came about his town read on GB he talked more about his last game than this game. I get he was trying to find a parallel but it felt very rushed considering he apparently just read the guys entire filter and that he is going against what is thread consensus fidei town | ||
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On June 19 2015 11:44 Breshke wrote: hahaha that isn't going to work so well but we will see how stuff turns out. What about damdred do you still have the same toneread? he's one of the players i particularly want to take another look at, because i think i may have been wrong on him. i'm actually doing schoolwork right now, but i'll flesh that out one way or another tonight if you're patient | ||
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On June 19 2015 12:21 LightningStrike wrote: Also on the side note ya Bugs can come off as a asshole but he is a pretty good player from looking at his past games and shit when I was playing scum vs him in Witchcraft III at the risk of sounding bitchy, ls...that neither makes him infallible nor town you say he's good he builds a case on at least one but quite probably three towns all in one day, and maybe it's just that we see the world differently but his cases didn't really impress me...he took things that were odd and from what seemed like confirmation bias chose to paint them all scum through the prism of "motivation" which is a fancy way of saying narrative...especially if he doesn't take the time to consider both possible motivations to me that isn't good the problem of reconciling one with the other has me wavering on him constantly | ||
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also...i know this sounds strange...but i really don't know what to make of his comment to you, LS five players like you in the game more than any other player in the game? because he thinks he can read you better? because he was actually trying to be nice, which seems out of character for him? or, and this is paranoia i know but i can't shake it, because you follow him around blindly and do what he says if it's that last...that's not really a town sentiment. it's not because of your play this game in terms of helping find scum. that's certain | ||
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On June 19 2015 12:33 LightningStrike wrote: Just trust me on this meta read he normally doesn't do cases and tunnel hard as scum from my research on him ![]() no? can you link those so i can put this to rest? @.@ the tunneling and being a bastard about it in the process is supremely off-putting | ||
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i know i asked but damn...that'll take me all night on top of what's going on in this game | ||
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you and ls saying him being an asshat if you don't worship the ground he walks on isn't alignment indicative i'll accept on faith ![]() (no wonder you knew we wouldn't get along, bresh, lolol) | ||
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check my gb meta/personality/tonal thing for me will you? i assert that 1) he often does use all caps as either alignment 2) he has made bad cases as town 3) his attention shifts quickly in many directions, and often associatively (i.e in Assassination he was so convinced marv was scum that anyone marv voted on he refused to vote for, regardless of his own read on the player) while as scum he tends to focus in on just one or two things and ride it hard (this is not to say he doesn't tunnel as town, just that as town he actually looks outside the tunnel) | ||
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On June 19 2015 12:52 Breshke wrote: Part of it is also LS being agreeable. Don't get me wrong im sure there are other reasons. I'm fairly sure it is the same reason why bugs seems to not call me bad and what not because im shit at forming reads often so rely on others to point out stuff to get me going. Saying this makes me sound like I think im an expert on the guy but I think bugs likes it when people show they understand and agree with what he is saying. If you read witch and pay attention to our interactions you will hopefully get that feeling. So while you could be right rso based of an entire ONE GAME of meta i'd say it is easily a town bugs thing to do aswell nh so basically my instincts are probably right that he likes ls cause ls agrees with him but this doesn't necessarily make him scum @.@ eh i don't have anything constructive to say about that i'm trying to do a vote analysis that is less vote analysis and more...vote+read analysis if you remember, bresh, that's how i came to the conclusion you were town in student v despite everyone scumreading you, and what they ultimately mislynched me for >< is why i'm asking ls to do different legwork. don't have the time for it all before EoN do you do similar analysis? i'd be interested to see what you thought, but if it's not your cup of tea, that's fine | ||
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On June 19 2015 13:04 LightningStrike wrote: I will eventually do it but I just kinda tired and been losing sleep because I been stressing out over this game so maybe see in my document if I learn how to make one similar to the one that bugs had made in witchcraft which made pretty much confirmed town there. okay lol well, that third point in particular (obviously the other two are nai) is what really makes me think he is town this game. certain meta is replicable. i don't believe that point is...it requires the perspective of reacting to new information practically instantaneously and extemporaneously which is fucking hard to do as scum and why i get caught out when i hesitate with teammates lol >< | ||
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On June 19 2015 13:16 Breshke wrote: This isn't what i meant to be honest. It is more like he has an affinity to like LS because their play styles can work better together. I think he gave a good reason why he though LS was town for the role claim so saying he only likes LS because LS agrees with him is selling it short. I'm not sure what you mean to be honest but the votes don't really give me that much other than like if there is mafia voting on GB who is it? Like I can justify a town read on all those people other than VA. So either there is mafia in yamato/ritoky (im currently townreading ritoky) or mafia had a vested interest in getting BF lynched over GB. lol >< nvm i'll do it myself. that's not really what i was saying On June 19 2015 09:03 wherebugsgo wrote: hey you should take a break from the thread. take a deep breath, drink some water, go play some video games or whatever. Maybe play with a pet if you have one. Eat some ice cream. Do whatever you have to, then come back when you think you can help me find scum. Really, I'm serious, I would rather have 5 of you in this game than almost anyone else in the playerlist. ^ that's what i'm referring to, bresh, not the townread if people aren't townreading ls i'd be...surprised and possibly indignant | ||
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On June 19 2015 13:33 GlowingBear wrote: At least he is good. He has that right. You, on the other hand... no reads if you're town, do not embarrass me | ||
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On June 19 2015 14:09 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, caught up. I don't think scum LS, after risking fake claiming, would rescind at night and cause all that ruckus and draw so much attention to him. Pretty suicidal Mafia play. Unless he is GF/being framed and wants to draw a check/track in him? This is pretty wifom and I'll keep the Occam's razor. Rsoultin looks top townie to me for the way she is approaching the game. She has no reason to defend me as scum rsoultin. I've been liking Breshke's approach in this night phase. Sounds like someone who is genuinely trying to solve the game. I will review my case on him after I take a shower. Kelsier is town Onegu is town Ritoky still looks town Damdred dropped too much, should keep an eye on him. We need to revisit Nydus. I forgot everything from this guy. Shockey is probably Mafia. If Mig is Mafia, bugs is also. VA is a coinflip I need to read Fidei I don't know about Holyflare. Too tunneled on me and some misrepresentations are things that I don't expect on his usual superb town play. Am I forgetting someone? yama i'm working on a much more detailed version but so far our reads are lining up which...not really sure what to think about that lol >< | ||
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On June 19 2015 14:13 NydusHerMain wrote: Yo bitch if I was mafia and you're town I hope you realize I decided to kill a practically afk town over a town with a bigass filter? lurking much? o.0 | ||
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On June 19 2015 14:16 NydusHerMain wrote: with my reads. I'm going to wait to see who dies first. must be nice | ||
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On June 19 2015 14:25 GlowingBear wrote: Yama. His play is uninspiring but he is already a lazy player and this thread activity is insane, and he replaced in. Which means this kind of uselessness could be coming from town yamato. I think he needs more time to do shit. But he definetly needs to do shit. Also, I'm trying to evaluate if scum yamato would be so bold to intentionally not vote. I'm not sure what to make of this. But maybe this already wifom territory? dingdingding! | ||
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On June 19 2015 14:39 GlowingBear wrote: Let just me get this thought further a bit. I've seen scum yamato skipping a night kill because he simply was inactive enough to not send a night kill to the host. So the answer is yes, he would be this bold to intentionally not vote or simply would not care for voting because he is scum. In the other hand, would town yamato be this careless? Like, wouldn't he even give a quick skin on the main wagons to decide his vote and park there? What do you think? frankly i have him as a scumlean you'll see everything i thing once i get this monstrosity done @.@ and then y'all should thank me profusely btw cause i really want to just post it half-done lol (yeah that's really the only reason to thank me profusely) | ||
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On June 19 2015 07:08 Half the Sky wrote: Final Day 1 Vote Count boxerfred (8): rsoultin, Fidei86, Damdred, NydusHerMain, Onegu, Mig, ShoCkeyy, GlowingBear GlowingBear (7): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare, boxerfred, Breshke, KelsierSC ShoCkeyy (1): ritoky Not voted (1): Lohengramm Slipping from the ledge, boxerfred has fallen into the abyss. Day 1 has ended. First I'm coloring in the players who I consider to be confirmed town. Not going to spend much time on this, but for the sake of having everything in one place... - If you don't like me calling myself confirmed town, you can suck it ^^ - Fidei is town because he is town. - Lightningstrike is town by a combination of not being motivated as scum and what I call the "not an asshole" argument linked here From here I'm going to move on to the players I'm most familiar with. Including Nydus just cause I think he's fairly obvious despite my limited exposure to him. Not including GB cause I want to look at him harder and ignore the tone thing for a bit before I decide if my rebelliousness is justified or not lol [QUOTE]On June 19 2015 07:08 Half the Sky wrote: Final Day 1 Vote Count boxerfred (8): rsoultin, Fidei86, Damdred, NydusHerMain, Onegu, Mig, ShoCkeyy, GlowingBear GlowingBear (7): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare, boxerfred, Breshke, KelsierSC ShoCkeyy (1): ritoky Not voted (1): Lohengramm KSC has literally one of the most solid filters in the game. Between being part of most everything going on to the way his reads evolve and shape his voting behaviors, right up to the last-minute switch back onto GB and his willingness to entertain other arguments...I find no red flags. Regardless of GB's alignment, it's very unlikely that KSC is scum either attempting to hammer a scummate or trying to be the hammer on a town mislynch. Solid town. My one question to you KSC is what exactly in boxer's final post was it that you liked so much? Holyflare - lol so...apparently not being able to play like i normally do and only getting snapshots of people's play is really hurting my ability to read the more spammy players like hf. this is not his scum play which is rather lackluster (at least to me) ... sorry! town, obviously Breshke - interesting beast, bresh. highly introspective/analytical, very inclined to look at things from both sides and therefore slow to form scumreads, but the questions and the pushes are not things he actually replicates too well as scum which is why he's a generally easy catch. also that he keeps pushing at and questioning his scumreads is what i associate with his town game. fairly confident on this one Damdred - and yet another player i waffled on earlier who i like just fine on a reread of his filter but i really want to see him posting tonight ;o; tone, tone, tone...i know my net hubby! (nah, seriously, it's not the nicest toneread but the yay \o/ caught scum! then the awww why you guys no listen to me :/ thing is just so classic town damdy and before anyone says he can do that as scum, i've never mentioned this before regarding him lol and there's no reason for scum to think of it naturally...emotion is not easy to fake and very easy to overlook) Nydus - don't know him ^^ still think he's townie, could qualify it but unlike those i know it's nothing terribly specific beyond the usual townready things and his voting behavior aligning with his reads fine Onegu - town, probably. taking the meta out for a test drive. oneg tends to be bored and not care much about the thread as town, but what he does do often is gets a few reads (based on shit reasons sometimes or very ill-informed ones, but whatevs) and hold onto those so tenaciously it makes you want to beat him with a stick. gb town. he won't vote gb. end of story...as scum i'd expect him to not back himself into a corner that way, as a sidenote...the hedge is again this is a test drive but i think i actually nailed his play decently when looking for a weakness in his meta as scum lol >< ritoky not as strong a townread as ksc but the vote out in the middle of nowhere that i usually would associate with scum if it's a town v. town at least was consistent with his townreading both gb and bf while trying to get votes on shockey and mig. most of his play this game i've liked. my main reservation is the hard push on ls despite believing he was town cause i just don't get that line of thinking. won't lynch tomorrow unless there's something compelling to convince me otherwise Lohengramm/Yamato - Not a lot to read on him. He made it clear he was willing to lynch both BF and GB with more of a lean towards BF, yet ultimately voted for neither. It also reads like he's warming up to a GB vote as the thread progresses. Regardless of GB's alignment here, when he could swing the vote enough to actually lynch GB but didn't choose to, it doesn't look good. Plus I've seen this oh suddenly couldn't be here for lynch for X reason from scum before. Ritoky in Down Under, to be exact. Scum lean. Shockeyy - Don't get his voting behavior at all. While he does say that BF is "weird" and GB is "null", he then completely focuses on GB answering a question of his that has more to do with mafia theory than the game itself in the middle of all the fireworks. I agree with KSC that the whole ANSWER MY QUESTION OR I LYNCH YOU (at least till 10 mins in) is strange >< The question isn't even that important and saying that he'll keep the vote there until 10 mins pretty much negates the pressure in the first place. Then somehow he still thinks BF is more scummy despite GB deciding to vote him with ritoky and KSC? I can't follow the logic at all, regardless of GB's alignment. Prob scum. (not terribly important, but i also can't follow his read flip on me that he says he bolded just so it could be understood???) Onto the people I'm not sure how to read or just need to look at hard @.@ [QUOTE]On June 19 2015 07:08 Half the Sky wrote: Final Day 1 Vote Count boxerfred (8): rsoultin, Fidei86, Damdred, NydusHerMain, Onegu, Mig, ShoCkeyy, GlowingBear GlowingBear (7): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare, boxerfred, Breshke, KelsierSC ShoCkeyy (1): ritoky Not voted (1): Lohengramm Mig bugs me. The boxer thing is not very alignment indicative, honestly, at least not the way Mig expresses it. Oh the person who says he has no time comes in to vote counterwagon to save himself then says nothing...must be scummier than the scumread I entered the thread with and have been scumreading all the way up to this point! No sense no sense no sense. Rit I think you were right I'm sorry lol >< Prob scum. WBG i'm just going to go with my gut on and stop letting y'all distract me by saying he's good when I'm instead seeing a lot of...i've decided so-and-so is scum and i have to argue with everything cause it's in my blood...going on. Maybe that works for him. I still think coming into the thread highlighting players who are not under scrutiny is most likely town-motivated. Plus, GB town there's no reason to be this invested as scum, and GB scum even less reason to be invested in getting him lynched. Townlean almost full townread. VA null. I dunnae. I don't know that I will know. Blah. He ends up in my PoE list by default, though lol >< GB...tone says town. I stand by that meta/tone thing...yet I'm clearly missing scum somewhere in one of my townreads and he's the most contested one ![]() TLDR; would lynch in order: Shockeyy, Mig, Lohengramm, VA need to review in-depth: GB, rit (also kinda bugs me i ended up with people posting some of the least lol >< but whatever) i'll stick around for a few more minutes but i need sleep | ||
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On June 19 2015 16:11 Breshke wrote: I agree with you on like everything except the following. Fidel - cos ya know I probably think ritoky is more townie than you do because I understand his viewpoint when he wanted to lynch LS even though he thought LS might be town. It was more of a "town won't get past this if everyone doesn't agree he is town" kind of thing. Also iirc he was the first person to ping out mig and it was a really good pickup since I still think mig is scummy. Obviously still disagree on GB and if you look at the votes like where all your town are it looks fairly bad. Maybe VA is mafia he is a coinflip but if he isn't I really think the GB wagon is all town and while it could happen with town GB i don't see why it would have. I also have the filthiest of wifom on why yamato and GB could be mafia together but it's fairly bad so its kinda a meh thing and shouldn't/probably wouldn't change anyones read. My lynch order is actually the same as yours except with Gb at the front. I also really like your like non read yet town on nydus because i think im picking up on the same stuff yeah honestly...i left gb for last specifically cause i wanted to see where everything else fell and frankly scum mig pretty much completely clears rit so i should def rate him higher probably anyway it bugs me cause i really, really don't think scum gb can play this way but everything else is pointing toward his being scum so i have to have a better reason than just tone and i don't right now @.@ anyway...that will be my main purpose d2, really combing over gb any blue actions into those tldr lists would be fine by me, frankly, though you prob can remove rit lol from that and yeah that would be perfect | ||
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then don't make me kick you in the face (virtually), oneg i get you don't read the whole game but at least read that bueno eh i slept i want to add bugs to my poe possible scum list like he pushed ls and bm in the game he did well in yeah? both rather low post volume players normally especially as scum here with a bunch of early question marks he comes after me for reasons that even the most superficial meta research (and despite being told multiple times his points are not alignment indicative for me) would make it clear that case is bullocks...i'm a high volume, easily townread player even by most players brand new to me like i get not getting my style to an extent but then there's ksc. who despite not being one of my comfy best-known players is so obviously townie every time you open his filter it's painful. like i literally find it mind-boggling anyone could scumread him over everyone else in the thread that makes no sense to me, especially if bugs is supposedly so good and if gb isn't scum (and i really just can't shake this sense he's town here guys) that makes 3 pushes on very active, high post volume town players while ignoring the regular cast of scummier players entirely it seems i have a lot of trouble reconciling this with the "bugs is good" thing people keep telling me rit may also have something on a connection between him and shock anyway, i'm out, last thought prob before eon unless i suddenly waffle on someone else lol | ||
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shock, mig, and either (gb, yama) or (bugs,va) with gb still being the key to everything in my mind and hopefully i'm not being a dolt and townreading scum somewhere @.@ | ||
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So yes overall impression and unless you don't think he's good or thinks going after the players he did makes sense brush that is nitpicky as fuck XP | ||
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On June 19 2015 23:04 Onegu wrote: again dont care if he is town either, want to lynch LS Try to pretend you're human and stop being a dick | ||
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On June 19 2015 23:10 Breshke wrote: Yeah it is possible but it is also not possible like i don't think it should affect anyones read but I felt like it needed to be out there Lol yeah the nature of wifom ^^ | ||
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On June 19 2015 23:09 Breshke wrote: I think a lot of players are good rsoul i don't really get your point but that's might be because it is late. I'm just failing to udnesatdn where bugs saying he is good or other people saying bugs is good comes into your read. Like you arn't seeing this "good" play so you think he is scum? It's a lot of little things. I'm not sure how much of it is personality Some is associative with shock and mig Some is his selection of pushes A big part is his post flip shit fighting that was so pointless it's ridic And frankly I feel the he was invested in the lynch thing only applies to scum players not good enough to know to look invested lol I use that to get townread regularly | ||
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Mig read and ignoring him bugs me if mig is scum Lots of finger pointing last night and sanding reads while giving nothing new himself and shot fights over nothing at all like with rit He does that only pick one thing from a post shot i've seen mafia do a lot, the better ones | ||
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I so right and so townie i'm gonna die but did no work and just tossed names in. Lol so believable XP nice wifomy touch, too bad the effort doesn't match the sentiment | ||
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Thanks for checking those games against my memory. I needed a second opinion and someone biased against gb to see if you saw what I do @ksc Nah man I getcha. Fidei is a trust me read. As far as damdy is concerned it's based on pure tone and could be wrong but for what it's worth it hasn't been yet shrugs- He'll produce if he's town though so not that.concerned about it presently | ||
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Maybe but not sure how you'd know it was him over someone else Where you at hf? | ||
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On June 20 2015 00:29 wherebugsgo wrote: This might be my last post unfortunately Tomorrow when I am not around lynch GB, when he flips scum lynch Shockeyy. If he miraculously somehow doesn't flip scum then consider players like Onegu, rsoultin, and yamato, because if we had 2 town wagons yesterday scum are likely to be the ones who were lurkish or those who didn't really have scum reads Oh okay. I interpreted that as he thought.he'd be nkd but it doesn't really say that | ||
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I'm.actually okay with any informative action up.tiff and including a lynch to detriment his alignment But it's interesting that if gb flips town bugs wants to lynch none of the players I think.are.scum just the one who is likely scum with a scum gb lollipop | ||
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On June 20 2015 02:54 Holyflare wrote: im not gonna lie watching bugs and gb talk about each other and the associations have given me the double bus feelings many times Hm. Maybe those always fool me lol. Yeah migs voting behavior v reads is shit | ||
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Namely I think he's town for reasons I can't explain better than I already have but will not stand in the way of a lynch if necessary cause I think I could be wrong and regardless the info is integral | ||
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Already addressed your problem with my reads ksc but itsk got my own fort! And yeah no one will like my.fidei read but it's cool cuz i'm right anyway lol | ||
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On June 20 2015 03:15 Holyflare wrote: like gb why on earth are you standing in this vast expanse of privileged information about the lynch and how shit went down and the only thing you've done in regard to things that happened is "this player is weird", "that's weird" +rehashed everything about ls and things that people already said tell me man A pretty good point, actually. You have the most info of anyone | ||
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On June 20 2015 04:33 Damdred wrote: GB with an interesting point. GB do you think the amount of effort bugs has given is congruent with his normal town game? I've only glanced at his scum games but this does seem a bit extreme from what I read so far level of effort etc. If he's scim daaaaamdddddyyyyyy -flops on- i made a giant damdy-style post! (the tldr is probably easier though lol) ksc also did analysis from both town gb and scum gb voting perspectives those prob would be good to read i think? since they should have most of the relevant stuff already in the thread? | ||
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which is definitely odd given his scumread on gb, and the fact that they apparently know each other well that's a genuinely fair point, hf mrt i have to drive back to san antonio again today @.@ | ||
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On June 20 2015 06:17 ruXxar wrote: I think you should share your thoughts here in this thread, so that they will be available for posterity. If you put your reads somewhere else you can change them at any moment. There's a reason the no edit rule is implemented. I don't even... gotta agree with the new guy from the norselands ![]() | ||
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can you like tldr it in a jiffy? | ||
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On June 20 2015 06:26 KelsierSC wrote: best thing if you want his reads is just to read what bugs wrote hehehehe rofl you're becoming one of my favorite people, you know that? | ||
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lol um gb what?? | ||
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lol did he? i know hf did in url xP it's a pandemic | ||
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On June 20 2015 07:12 GlowingBear wrote: OMG it was actually Holyflare Hahahahahaha -facepalms- | ||
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plus he said he wasn't and he was in the same post so kinda...late to the ballgame there gb xP | ||
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i am the awesomest scum hf in existence i am going to claim (kinda) mason with ksc! and now, for my ultimate act of brilliance...kill him so everyone sees my lie! xP | ||
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On June 20 2015 07:16 GlowingBear wrote: Why would he hidden it? I didn't bring it to surface to avoid them getting shot. But I thought that it was Onegu that claimed. That's why I flipped my read on him. -squints at- i dunnae ask him? -sits on gb's head- you think this is scummier than mig? xP | ||
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On June 20 2015 07:17 GlowingBear wrote: I think this is the exact thing he wants you to think. lol >< if this is the only reason to scumread him, wifom off a play he's already done as town, i'll pass | ||
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On June 20 2015 07:20 ritoky wrote: cool apparently working for 12 hours and sleeping for 8 dissuaded people from shooting me n1 again. hey we're both alive d2 xP you got shtuff? i made a monstrosity | ||
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On June 20 2015 07:22 ritoky wrote: haven't even looked at the thread in about 20 hours well i'm driving for several hours so maybe by then ciao to all of y'all, actually | ||
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On June 20 2015 09:08 Damdred wrote: Here's the deal I won't ever lynch fid or rs. I really don't want to say why necessarily but it's there. And Ritoky I have had no internet and behind like 60 pages I'll do stuff but I'd rather interact while I can as well <3 GB How does it make sense specifically cause hf and I both read mig's filter and didn't come to that conclusion at all | ||
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On June 20 2015 09:58 VayneAuthority wrote: nightkill means pussies are playing mafia, pretty useful to know Pretend i'm an idiot and spell this out for me? Pussies? | ||
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On June 20 2015 12:47 GlowingBear wrote: I said what I found townie in his filter I can't evaluate from your point of view without you saying what you don't like in there No..you said the vote made sense. HF and I say it doesn't. Explain why you think it makes sense | ||
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On June 20 2015 12:53 Breshke wrote: So can you actually respond to it since he did vote GB +1 If you were reading the thread a ksc nk would not surprise you and mafia gets two kp nights one and two according to the op which means most likely rb or protection cause I don't see the value for scum in not using two kp while they have it. At best this is poor reasoning and at worst flatout manipulative saying a lack kill somehow confirms or strengthens a gb scumread | ||
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On June 20 2015 14:01 ritoky wrote: let's not forget who tried to actually lynch this guy over both wagons last phase? that would be me and ksc. should i keep going? Sorry only phone right now i'm slow Yeah shock is my preferred lynch, too | ||
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On June 20 2015 14:02 GlowingBear wrote: I just said he was suspicious of boxer in his filter? If he has suspicions on both me and boxer, and see both of us as wagons, it makes sense to go after the one who isn't fighting his lynch with everything he can. Lol read his filter again and then what hd and I said about him and tell me how we're wrong. A suspicion somewhere in his filter is not the same as having equal suspicions at the time of.the lynch | ||
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Bugs/ruxx definitely could be scum but I really disliked bugs play and am willing to admit that makes me more inclined to scumread his slot | ||
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On June 20 2015 14:33 ritoky wrote: idk rsoul i have scumbag voted w/ 3 seconds left, intentionally played suboptimally, and prayed on ppl's sympathies as mafia so sorry if i am not exactly trusting. Yeah but ls would actually have to be lying about it to be scum here. If he's that much of an asshole i'm a very bad.judge of.character | ||
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On June 20 2015 14:32 ritoky wrote: meh mig is okayish to me now. he did some responding to me that i was more alright with than what i previously had been. so he is back to null for me. I hate his filter around eod | ||
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On June 20 2015 14:57 GlowingBear wrote: His filter on EoD is okay if you consier his filter earlier. He actually REACTED to thread when he was online, something I fail to see on Fidei. You might tell me why Fidei is town instead of doing this "I shouldn't be telling why he is town" with Damdred, or I'll push him with all my might. I don't respond to threats. You'd just annoy me doing this and he wouldn't be lynched anyway so let it go. I think you just like that he didn't lynch you. What I don't like is how big a screws he appeared to have.on you while so little got him to switch to bf. It's incongruous. That's what i'm talking about rit. I can quote but it'sore of an overall thing? Mig came into the thread pushing gb and said he was scummy throughout. So the sudden switch makes little sense to me, not for so weak a reason | ||
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On June 20 2015 15:14 ritoky wrote: cuz if mig is mafia and it is 2 town wagons, there's no reason to flip his read and draw suspicion on himself by lynching the person he wasn't scum reading all phase. that would mean GB almost MUST be mafia with mig and he voted to keep a teammate alive. I know lol >< i'm tonereading gb town Migs makes no sense to me though with the switch and it does suggest gb is mafia I know town gb and scum mig doesn't really fit Like obv gb is more polarizing so there's that but is it worth the attention? Prob not. Doesn't change that I don't get mug and he's prob mafia though | ||
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On June 20 2015 15:33 ritoky wrote: that makes absolutely no sense.... you think a guy is mafia, he flips his read with low to mild amounts of justification to the opposing wagon, and logic shows that if he is mafia he probably did this to save a partner; yet you value your tone read higher? wat? No ritoky what i'm saying is mig is why i'm.soundings toneread thought that was pretty obvious | ||
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On June 20 2015 20:45 rsoultin wrote: No ritoky what i'm saying is mig is why i'm.soundings toneread thought that was pretty obvious That should say doubting my toneread damn autocorrect. | ||
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On June 20 2015 15:38 GlowingBear wrote: Lol you're cute You see, I just saw a scummy filter, and you and Damdred say that you don't want to lynch fidei ever without giving any reasoning. I could only presume you guys are masoned together. But if you guys are masoned together I would find the lack of push on HF (who you already knew he claimed) bizarre. So I can't understand why would you guys keep it a secret. | ||
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On June 20 2015 21:15 Holyflare wrote: don't really care which order though tbh just sick of having gb around Eh I care what order but what I have to doubt my townread on gb is ASSOCIATIVE peabrained one (obv directed at ritoky) so | ||
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On June 20 2015 21:29 Holyflare wrote: i also don't know what to think of bugs replacement, what he's doing is pretty towny in theory and I think he's new but he seems to be just glossing over the peoples filters so i'm not sure what exactly to make of it Lol I know right? I called rit peabrained cause he called himself that last page prickly xP | ||
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On June 20 2015 22:02 Breshke wrote: Im really caught up on why the vote would have gone down as it did if GB is also town. This is where i'm at too. GB looks town to me the vote doesn't make much sense if he's town. If y'all want to lynch him first I won't block it but i'd rather lynch mig or shockey lol And where did nydus and damdy go? | ||
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On June 20 2015 22:21 Breshke wrote: Damdy has seemingly been busy. Do you think it is weird he seems to have the same unexplainable read on fidel you do? Idk about nydus. I thought he would be around near start of day since he said he was waiting till then to give his reads but guess not. I don't think that is scummy though Re: damdy, no. I think it just means he's townreading me and paying attention Lol I just am curious about what nydus has he's making me impatient ![]() | ||
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On June 20 2015 22:26 Holyflare wrote: but yeh the main reason i'd prefer a gb lynch is because that's the world where everything makes sense and it's much more simple to follow that logic because i can't see any of these switches or the vote going like it did unless he is mafia if he's not mafia then the vote switches don't particularly mean much at all necessarily This is true I suppose ![]() I probably am just wrong on my read but if i'm right what then you know? I dunnae ![]() | ||
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On June 21 2015 05:39 GlowingBear wrote: I think that's exactly what HF wants you to think. Tell me why he would do that as town. His gameplay in the beginning of the game was "I won't be active to survive n1", yet he fake claims in a way that if mafia sees it, he dies night1? actually someone else said this about him? probably ritoky lol hf never claimed that one way or the other blah what does it matter? claiming mason early and then shooting the person you claimed it with is not a very good scum play lol >< and hf fake-claims as town, including mason. he did it in guardians with onegu it's a pointless push besides which, gb, if you're town you really think every scum player wanted you dead so much they all voted for/pushed you? xP (with the exception of yama, i guess) i think you need to take a step back and really look at the game, you know? all the scum preferring one of two towns dead makes little sense | ||
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On June 21 2015 05:44 Holyflare wrote: this is also super disingenuous to mig's filter the post before it is a giant wall of text calling you mafia, 5 more posts are pretty much after it saying you have 0 scum reads, you're pushing mafia agenda and flinging shit everywhere his ONLY reason for switching is that boxers return was shady and nothing more, 2 posts on boxerfred like 8 massive reasons to vote you, boxerfred's post wasn't even suspicious in the slightest since like i said multiple times, everyone else found it pretty genuine so much this i view it as like...you have a big pizza of suspicion right? 8 slices...maybe pizza is a bad analogy for international players oh well lol >< 7 of those slices are glowingbear is scum! 1 slice is bf could be scum to for kinda blah reasons then suddenly cause you're posting and bf is not he switches to bf? it makes no sense given the suspicion pizza...not posting when he says he can't post shouldn't outweigh that strong a scumread on you, and i don't know why you don't find this suspicious, gb. do you always just assume if people are townreading you and you're town they must be town, too? that's kinda retarded | ||
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On June 21 2015 06:10 GlowingBear wrote: The only people I am scumreading for calling me scum are HF and VA. I'm scumreading Breshke for reasons outside his vote on me And yamato for having his scum meta. You're free to show me where I'm wrong, if you think so. Why is HF town? Tell me lol tone >< i kinda hate myself this game cause i keep having these answers but like the pushing and inquisitiveness, plus the willingness to back off...it just doesn't feel like scum hf which tends to be...more aggressive for weaker reasons (i really am not impressed by scum hf play while town hf play i usually can understand even if i disagree) i dunnae how to explain this better. i really should stop basing my reads off of entire filters but that's the best way for me to get accurate reads, cause when i focus on just a few posts i usually am wrong | ||
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On June 21 2015 06:12 Holyflare wrote: i'm pretty sure pizza is internationally well known lol (i really have no clue o.0 i figure in europe but not sure elsewhere lol ><) | ||
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can you explain your breshke scumread for me in a way that i can actually understand/follow, gb? like...you think he should have been more suspicious of you early coming just from your scum game? you aren't playing the way you did in that game (which is why i keep thinking you're town, dolt xP) so you're saying that bresh having just seen your scum game should be so suspicious of you he can't read you town? i just saw your scumgame, too xP actually twice recently, to be exact | ||
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On June 21 2015 06:20 Onegu wrote: Comeon Rsoul you know Yama is at work... mmm? for days on end? i know he's at work right this second xP | ||
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On June 21 2015 06:21 Onegu wrote: He has worked everyday this week... Plus weekends he works like all day... dude i get being busy i'm taking two college classes in one month right now @.@ and trying to finish up all the moving details...which is why i made the drive down to san antonio yet again but he hasn't posted in over 40 hours. in literally over 40 hours don't tell me that's just cause he's working oneg | ||
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like i want to lynch mig and i kinda want to jump up and down and stand on my head to conjure a lot of these missing players back to the thread >< | ||
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eh me and my problems with multiple accounts @.@ i may have questions for you later, shockey...gonna peace out since gb apparently decided to poof again not sure what to make of you xP i feel like you could really think what you're saying lol >< but on the whole i just don't agree with most of it. i don't understand the ten minute threat thing you pulled while announcing it was just a threat, and i'm not sure that you can explain it to me in any way that would make me understand it better it's like saying "this is a pressure vote" well...whoopdedoo? | ||
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On June 21 2015 06:37 Holyflare wrote: like his first real post of the game were that me, rsoul and kelsier were town because we asked him to catch up...? lol kinda took that as a joke honestly lol >< takes a certain level of stupid to actually believe that | ||
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On June 21 2015 06:49 Onegu wrote: Also I feel so loved... Rsoul and HF came into TS lobby and just DC'd without talking to me T_T Both confirmed Scum lol we both wanted to see you there he doesn't trust me in qt to tell him xP i'm just a woman after all and easily confused by things like...technology. and names | ||
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On June 21 2015 06:50 Holyflare wrote: So. Is it not weird that gb admitted to making up a town read on onegu and onegu has done nothing since but gb doesn't added him to his scum list now he's "realised" onegu wasn't a mason? yes this is weird :/ but but but toneread? lol yeah i'm really not terribly married to it; i just want to give gb a chance if my read's right (not to be like...condescending, but gb and making sense...lol >< i will never forget carol...he can be nearly as bad as sicklucker) | ||
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On June 21 2015 07:15 NydusHerMain wrote: Hey Rs, and this question is only directed at you (and maybe hf), ignoring the threat I made against you (that was kinda trolly FYI but I never apologized for it and I'm doing it now) based on day 1, do you think I'd be an enjoyable person to play with on tl? I know that probably means you have to assume I'm town, which I am, but I wanna know if I should keep playing. I don't want to be that annoying guy that just posts but no one really cares about. lol you're great; no worries ^^ i'm...um...obstinate...i do not like people trying to force me to do things xP however it has nothing to do with you being enjoyable or not to play with! i'd be happy to play in future games with you ![]() | ||
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On June 21 2015 07:28 LightningStrike wrote: Hi who do we lynch today? you tell me xP | ||
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On June 21 2015 08:28 ritoky wrote: why are you so hung up on mig? especially since if he is mafia he is like 99% with GB...shouldn't you want to lynch GB? i still don't understand this. so? i have a scumread on mig and not on gb. lynching pre-flipped associative reads over scumreads = bad (mafia 101) plus hf is right...mig likely scum regardless...like his vote switch makes no sense no matter what gb's alignment is and that's what i said in my own reads list ages ago i'm not fucking around when i say that i won't block a gb lynch today, cause even if he's town most of the players probably need the flip just to move on, but i'd still rather lynch a scumread understand now? | ||
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On June 21 2015 08:35 Holyflare wrote: well what's he supposed to do other than that? engage, obviously xP the thought had crossed my mind as well but he's a newbie so...maybe he just doesn't know what to do | ||
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On June 21 2015 08:45 Holyflare wrote: i dunno he seemed to have a resolute set of guidelines and has been sticking to that + bugs was towny for me anyway don't really expect him to read the thread or engage to know anything 146 pages behind eh i'm just gonna ignore that slot for a bit let him get settled in i'm biased against bugs cause i didn't like his attitude...i'd been fighting that the whole game. i still think his play wasn't good but i guess if i'm wrong about gb i'm just a dolt anyway and even if i'm not, good players can still play bad eh the tunneling thing just really bugs me. it's like he picks a scumread then starts a fight (or even just starts a fight without a scumread, honestly) and doesn't treat it like a discussion where he pays an ounce of attention to what anyone is saying it's just like target full speed ahead for him. if that's how he plays town, i'm really not impressed, and i don't see how he's successful with it he's completely unresponsive to any form of reasoning whatsoever and on multiple occasions picked one part of a post while completely ignoring the rest...like his whole "case" against me was that i said i usually don't qualify tonereads...and i only said that by way of explanation before qualifying it for him he wasted hours on that. the ksc push was ludicrous. the gb case was really weak shit...like all of it. eh -_- i have a bad habit of just scumreading players whose play i don't like or can't understand, though, so i'm trying to be objective about him | ||
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i didn't get to the shitfight yet in got but nvm my toneread isn't good, for one, and i just remembered marv's (think it was marv?) criticism of gb's scum play and this is actually falling into that...plus there are a couple things about his town play i'm not seeing come to think of it i'll lynch him with you, hf, and at least then if he flips scum i'll know not to use this toneread again lol >< | ||
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On June 21 2015 09:09 ritoky wrote: like you think mig is SUPER mafia...literally the only way that logically makes sense for him to be mafia is that he is mafia with GB. but you have some majestic toneread. it has been like walking through tar to get you off of it even though logically, in my mind, you should think GB is mafia. and then these past few posts where you're finally giving a bit on the subject, it feels like you're setting up an "i told you so"....i am super sketched out by you today. i don't really care? lol xP your heebie jeebies don't make me less town | ||
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i've got a scumread no one wants to lynch \o/ so i'm going to assume my scumread is right and lynch around him shit enough. it doesn't work. even when i'm right, it doesn't work | ||
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On June 21 2015 09:09 ritoky wrote: like you think mig is SUPER mafia...literally the only way that logically makes sense for him to be mafia is that he is mafia with GB. but you have some majestic toneread. it has been like walking through tar to get you off of it even though logically, in my mind, you should think GB is mafia. and then these past few posts where you're finally giving a bit on the subject, it feels like you're setting up an "i told you so"....i am super sketched out by you today. btw i've been "giving a bit" on the subject ever since i put the work in and realized most of my scumreads point toward his being scum it's been bugging me for awhile now, do you have anything you want to talk about other than just how i'm sketching you out today? xP | ||
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heebie jeebies now i'm getting heebie jeebies :/ oh well gonna stop talking to myself in the thread lol | ||
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On June 21 2015 09:45 ritoky wrote: i made dinner. it is yummy. i still want to lynch shockeyy lol over mig and gb...or even like yama/va/oneg? like ritoky what do you think was going on with the vote yesterday? why all the strange votes going against reads? hm? you criticize me for wanting to lynch mig and not gb, but how does mig's vote make sense from any perspective? mig's play was weird. yama's was weird shockey's was too to some extent cause of that weird 10 min switch thingy but how is it more weird than the other two? like seriously you seem to be townreading gb? so what makes shockey the scummiest of the bunch? | ||
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On June 21 2015 09:55 ritoky wrote: his reason for voting GB was: he isn't responding to me, then he just decided on a whim to switch to BF. his reads were weak. i don't find him to particularly be looking for scum, and i sincerely believe that bugs prompted him after he had been away for a long time and he responded quickly after (which implies QT communication to me) no you were scumreading shockey before the bugs prompt thing come on now | ||
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On June 21 2015 10:01 ritoky wrote: mig responded to my criticisms and it made me want to lynch him less than i did before. plus lynching GB seems better than lynching mig because in my mind the literal only way he is mafia is if GB is mafia...lynching mig just seems like the inherently worse play lynching into that world. and what of yama/va/onegu/damdred? they're all not really playing and coinflips at this point. lynching into coinflips when you have scum cases is kinda meh. eh well your criticisms weren't amazing in all truth, but he certainly hasn't responded to big scumread on gb sudden switch to bf who he only mentioned a passing suspicion on beforehand well i'm lynching gb. he's more likely to flip scum than shockey pretty sure it's something to do with how he defends himself when he's scum vs. town...plus and i know this is only a small sample size...he was pretty adamant on low-hanging fruit in got as well when as town he'll go for the big boys and not give a fuck...now he's going after hf but that's in response to the push and a pretty bad "you fake-claimed mason must be mafia" thing lol >< | ||
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On June 21 2015 10:14 Holyflare wrote: Who in their right mind would think that was a) real or b) meant anything lol oh, the claim? lol xP lying piece of shit. must be a lawyer or something | ||
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On June 21 2015 10:19 ritoky wrote: give me better ones. you said you were going to when you were at a comp better ones? already have lol wasn't your criticism that he said ls might be town for a post after making a case against him? -shrugs- the whole he's been fucking reading gb as scum, built a case on him, yada yada only mentioned a passing suspicion on bf then suddenly lynched him out of the blue is a much better criticism or are you arguing that? | ||
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On June 21 2015 10:36 ritoky wrote: you said he is probably mafia regardless of GB flipping scum earlier. why, if his voting shit is why he is scum? rit, how many goddamn times do i have to say that the reason i started considering my read on GB could be wrong was because of my other scumreads? like you can harp on that all day if you want, but it's not going to get you another answer because there isn't one in no world do you have a choice between your top scumread and some vague suspicion then switch off your top scumread over the vague suspicion not posting how is this not getting through your skull? like...lol >< this is actually kinda funny cause i did this with slam thinking it could give me a read on palmar in that game you were scum and that was fucking retarded as shit, so i guess it's possible for town to do but only when they're being fucking retarded as shit xP way more likely he's not pulling a let's be a fucking retarded rsoul (given he hasn't even shown his face since) and is just plain scum | ||
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TELL ME HOW THE VOTE CHANGE WAS TOWNIE RIT seriously. do that. what was townie about it? what makes sense about it? you just want to hold onto the fact that i was scumreading mig and saying gb could still be town (which technically is possible but not likely) but you're not saying why i'm wrong on mig, so what gives? | ||
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it's honesty time with rsoul if gb flips scum, and we lynch mig next i will be pushing your lynch for this shit you're pulling right now, unless you give me a very good reason you're pulling the ignorant fool card. keep on harping on me for having a scumread on a player acting scummy with his voting and not immediately jumping to an associative scumread on the player that vote probably was protecting that you insist on ONLY focusing on that is really, really off-putting, you know that? that you don't get that someone could go damn that's a scummy ass vote we should lynch the dude, and want to see their flip BEFORE drawing associative reads is a little mind-boggling to me especially when RIGHT IN MY FUCKING READS LIST i had gb saying i think he's town but all the evidence points toward scum you are focusing on something insignificant while avoiding reading mig and gb, so if you're town i hope they're not scum for your sake, or you explain your damn reasoning pretty solidly here | ||
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thanks for the summary hf >< lol | ||
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![]() i feel like i'm mostly playing with myself, and not in the fun way oh well lol i'm done ranting at rit now ^^ | ||
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Am I speaking swahili hf? Do you get why my read changed? | ||
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Apparently I am speaking swahili damn it play I guess it's a fair question then | ||
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Association made me question my read on gb, yes, but i kept on coming back to thinking he was town based on some tonal things that were absent in his last scumgame where he smurfed It bugged me, though, cause there were a lot of scummy things going on with the votes surrounding the day one lynch. If you read my lists post, what i was doing was taking a look at people's voting pattern vice where their reads stood and basically judging how realistic it was that they ended up voting where they did. i've done this before with a fair amount of success and it doesn't actually require me to know the alignment of the wagon(s) that hasn't/haven't flipped most of those "this voting looks fishy" reads surrounded votes on bf that saved gb...or lack of votes. i still thought my toneread was right because i caught him as scum (which no you can't verify) in the game he just smurfed in solely by looking at his filter for a few minutes using that same toneread hf mentioned game of thrones, however. i wanted to see this shitfight he referred to, cause all the evidence was suggesting my toneread was wrong not only does glowingbear's filter bounce around similarly to how it is here (negating my toneread entirely) but it also did a few things that made me feel uneasy 1) it focused on scummy lurkers, same as here - i've seen gb go after hf and marv d1 fuck the consequences, so he's not one of those let's play d1 safe kind of players; he goes for whoever he's scumreading and doesn't give a shit 2) this reminded me (yes i have a brain like this) that his defense in mafia mini mafia ALSO focused a lot on the WHY would i do this as scum defense rather than how he treated my case on him in carol, which was basically "not gonna read that shit cause it's all wrong since i'm town" <- marv actually criticized the whole "why would scum do this" line of reasoning/defense in obs in mafia mini mafia2 which is why it stuck in my head so basically i'm scumreading him for four reasons if we get right down to it: 1. my initial toneread is demonstrably wrong given game of thrones 2. the lurker thing is eerily similar 3. how he is defending himself this game 4. the fact that the lynch really doesn't make much sense if he's town, which is why i put the legwork in to see if maybe my read was just wrong in the first place does everyone get it now? if you read my filter all of these things were mentioned but probably not explained thoroughly cause i tend to lol...i dunnae post like i think rather than be particularly explanatory | ||
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On June 21 2015 16:32 Mig wrote: Hi I am here, regarding my reasons for voting bf I was in a tourney and trying to catch up on 30 pages in the last 2 hours on my phone in between hands. I didn't have the time to look up past games for gb. I asked for examples of GB doing the caps lock thing as town (which nobody provided), I asked boxer and gb both questions. Gb answered them and boxer ignored them. I ended up just going with my gut based on boxer's return looking super shady/him promising content and never producing/ignoring me, Gb was at least trying and I would have felt like a retard if I lynched him over a mafia bf and the caps lock thing ended up being bs. It makes literally no sense for me not to vote Gb if I were mafia. 1) If me and Gb were mafia team mates I would have just bussed him for town cred, lynch was super close and I made the first case against him. Why wouldn't I just try to hammer him for even more town cred instead of drawing attention to myself? 2) If Gb were town again why would I vote bf over him? Why draw attention to myself when nobody would even bat an eye if I voted gb? I have been playing a tournament every single day since the game has started. If I were mafia I would be doing whatever I could to fly under the radar. Instead of actually asking questions in the thread 10 min before lynch while on my phone in a tourney I could have just voted gb 6 hours before and afkd So yea you can believe it or not but I voted who I thought was most likely to be mafia simple as that. Anyway I went back and looked through Gb's past games and found these posts when he was mislynched as a townie in hammertime mafia + Show Spoiler + On February 01 2015 11:34 GlowingBear wrote: OH GOD I WAS RIGHT SINCE DAY ONE FUCK YOU ALL I'M SO FUCKING ANGRY WITH YOU HOW COULD YOU FUCKING INSTA VOTE ON LYLO? HOW COULD YOU FUCKING HAMMER PALMAR WITHOUT NO READS AT HIM AND WHILE TWO OF YOUR SCUMREADS (ONEGU AND ME) WERE VOTING HIM WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU THINKING LIAN? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH On January 31 2015 01:33 GlowingBear wrote: Dude those were TWO QUOTES. TWO QUOTES. SHOW ME ANY EFFORT YOU'VE PUT INTO BRINGING ATTENTION TO YOUR LATE CASE ON ME. PALMAR SAYS WHARRGARBL LYNCH TOAD WHAT DO YOU DO? KEEP SILENT. YOU DON'T SAY "HEY LOOK AT MY CASE AND GIVE THOUGHTS" ARGH On January 31 2015 01:33 GlowingBear wrote: Dude those were TWO QUOTES. TWO QUOTES. SHOW ME ANY EFFORT YOU'VE PUT INTO BRINGING ATTENTION TO YOUR LATE CASE ON ME. PALMAR SAYS WHARRGARBL LYNCH TOAD WHAT DO YOU DO? KEEP SILENT. YOU DON'T SAY "HEY LOOK AT MY CASE AND GIVE THOUGHTS" ARGH So the caps lock thing was bs, and it does look to me like Gb is actually trying to solve the game. He could have kept his read on me as mafia (especially with rsoul accusing me) but instead tried to look at it from the viewpoint that I could be town. I don't really see the mafia motivation behind it. The suspicion of me for all of this makes me really wary of rsoul. You are voting to lynch Gb now (who you have been adamant the entire game is town) simply based on the fact that you think I am mafia???? Rsoul I have just come back from a 1.5 year break and only played 1 game, have you even bothered to read that one game to compare it to this one? Or are you too busy posting 22 pages worth of filter to actually try and find scum? You seem like a smart person I find it really weird that you can't see any possible reasoning for why I would vote like I did as a townie, and now you are lynching your town read because you are so 100% sure I am mafia (yet I am pretty confident you havent even read any of my past games). Seems shady as shit. yes the caps lock thing is bs yes you were told the caps lock thing is bs no, no one posted a link yes you had more than just that reason to think gb was scum and most particularly that whole line of bolded reasoning is well and good assuming that you were scum playing to survive and not to protect a scum buddy, so kindly can the wifom. i'm not buying apparently you're not around to read the game. pushing the fidei bit or damdy's read change is not going to get you anywhere. pushing me is definitely not going to get you anywhere why is gb town? he caps locks as both alignments, so i'm not interested in that line of reasoning, either | ||
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i see your questions you asked them, and i'll grant you that it's possible you could have just gotten cold feet as town when bf disappeared...though for someone as...apparently logical as you an emotional/gut reaction of that nature seems odd. no, i don't know you, and no i really had no interest in looking at your last game when it was the voting i found scummy (also not sure why you'd even think that's relevant...i wasn't criticizing an element of your overall play, now was i?) so, i'm going to talk to you like you're town since i'd rather lynch gb today damdy could be scum based on lack of activity, i agree...he falls off like this occasionally as both alignments but it happens more frequently when he's scum. i still kinda think he's town, though...one reason is i doubt he blows his metaread on me in a scum game...i'm one of the more adaptable scum players on the site yama definitely could be scum. if gb is scum that lovely gb/bm FUCK THIS I'M REPLACING wifom is actually fairly possible, tbh, but more just yama isn't playing like his townie self anyway and just came out of a scum game so it wouldn't surprise me if his motivation were low lol if you get anything worthwhile out of my scum games, i'd actually be curious xP but you probably shouldn't tell me | ||
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On June 22 2015 01:42 Holyflare wrote: Yeh rsoul, basically association :p (did forget you read the tone thing that i pointed out a million times) lol ;o; fine, fine i feel so oversimplified by you people xP eh yeah i dunnae about "so town" or whatever but i don't think we should lynch shockey over like a handful of other players so i'm not sure why this push, frankly ![]() | ||
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On June 22 2015 02:12 Holyflare wrote: Shockeyy speaks to me on a deeper level. i was gonna make a joke about electroshock therapy but lol >< it's way more funny in my head than when i type it out, so... [insert super hilarious electroshock therapy joke here] | ||
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my own supervisor (not an officer) was not particularly lazy, but he was so scattered it was hilarious. we're about to lose half our team right? myself included? and at the risk of sounding arrogant, the half of the team that was the most productive and the least likely to make mistakes... so he decides that is the perfect time to take on a project meant for a team 5x our size. like a good little nco i settle for just giving him that are you kidding me half-smile while he takes on the world...then when our boss walks off look straight at him and go "you realize we can't keep up with what we've got and you're losing [insert names here] before the month is out?" and he just gives me this little guilty smile and says "but you guys can do it, right?" me: -_- lol yes that's a complete digression and i don't care | ||
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On June 22 2015 02:37 GlowingBear wrote: I've skimmed your big post. Your read is based on association. But you're assuming someone is Mafia and, therefore, I'm Mafia? Because if it's that, your vote doesn't make sense. If you're making association, you attack the root, not the consequence. In other words, you vote the voter. If the voter is town, your theory will be already wrong. But as I read shockey as probably town, I can't advise you against this. I've already said A LOT that considering your read only on EoD voting is wifom. Very weak. I don't think that reestating that incessantly will change your mindo lol no, my RECONSIDERATION of my read is based on association, which is why i'm irritated by the oversimplification y'all are using my ACTUAL read is based on the fact that game of thrones negates my tone read and you are acting like you have in your prior scumgames, up to and including how you defend yourself while being scumread | ||
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On June 22 2015 02:56 GlowingBear wrote: A lot has happened since Game of Thrones and you know it. Your ability to read me got better. Anyway, I'm not acting anywhere close to my scum games. The biggest difference is in filter length and reads. Like, even I can see it. The only way to scum read with this information, is to believing I can fake it as scum. And if you think so, I'm flattered i wasn't even in game of thrones? like, my read is based on how you respond to scumreads and the pussy-like play you had d1. tone was my reason for townreading you, this thing you do when you bounce around...but if you could do that in your game of thrones game you expect me to believe that you can't now? you've somehow gotten WORSE at scum as time goes on? lol okay sure gb. all that's left is reasons to scumread you, man also, care to explain why you were sheeping the initial shit-ass vote on me, gb? this whole, i don't even bother to read her but trust her read on damdy and myself thing WAS weird, especially when you decided to vote me anyway kinda goes against your whole stated strategy of ignoring the largest filters for the first day, yeah? like you basically just sheeped their shit reasons for scumreading me bugs: her reason for an early toneread wasn't good enough! \o/ hf: she's scumreading me on meta but i've done this before therefore must be scum! \o/ both pretty shit reasons, so why did you like them and why did you say my tonereads are "right" as either alignment? you think i never push mislynches as scum? that's hilarious | ||
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On June 22 2015 03:07 Onegu wrote: Like how LS asks someone who doesnt know me to check my filter and give his thoughts when everyone who has never played with would scum read me... LS know this. Also RuXxar is like trying to make people look better or worse than what they actually are. ls is town, almost 99% sure on that ruxxar...eh i could go either way on him. lol you and your omgus oneg ![]() | ||
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On June 22 2015 03:27 Lohengramm wrote: I think tina is town excellent what do you think about my saying you could be scum based on meta, yama? even knowing your comp problems are probably true xP | ||
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On June 22 2015 03:39 Lohengramm wrote: I wouldn't necessarily blame you but there are reasons to read me town as well, so meh. which are? beyond you voting for my scumread which, i admit, does go in your favor enough to make the first failure to vote null if he flips scum | ||
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On June 22 2015 04:12 GlowingBear wrote: It's just boring that I am explaining everything and you keep misrepresenting me. Like, you're either scum or very tunneled town. You gotta understand that I hold you as one of the best players in this forums, so being this tunneled makes me believe you're more likely to be mafia than town. You may not be realising it, but instead of reacting to thread and having them influence your reads, you're assuming I'm mafia and looking everything through that perspective. why don't you respond to me, then? i'm not tunneled, obviously, given it took me this long to scumread you in the first place. but you're ignoring my questions instead there were several points where you just voted rather oddly, or kind of passively went along with things, but i saw enough random pushes on their own that i thought well maybe he's just lost? which i could understand...i was kinda lost d1, too but the way you're defending yourself is VERY similar to mafia mini mafia 2 and not at all to how i've seen you do it as town | ||
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On June 22 2015 05:45 Mig wrote: @HF I asked you/bugs opinions on bf to see if they matched up with mine and so if bf flipped mafia there would be a hard association between you. I am not trying to convince you that gb is town, I am telling why I am more inclined to think gb is town. I am not going to guarantee that gb is town but from my viewpoint that is how it looks. To me it looks like gb is actually trying to solve the game and figure out people's alignments. When I look at damdred/yam I dont see the same thing. What I find weird is that you seemed 100% sure I was mafia, you are willing to obviously put a lot of time into mafia but you didn't even read my 1 filter from a game that just ended? This really makes me question whether you actually care about finding mafia or whether you are just pushing an agenda. + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2015 03:44 rsoultin wrote: which are? beyond you voting for my scumread which, i admit, does go in your favor enough to make the first failure to vote null if he flips scum Yam you want to answer this? What exactly makes you town? Seriously lets lynch yam. His play looks exactly like his last mafia game where he didn't give a fuck. His last 3 town games he tried harder in all of them and actually tried to figure out who the mafia were. Here he doesnt care at all. i don't meta players i don't know, especially off one game, especially when it's not a meta-point i'm scumreading them for you don't like it, deal with it | ||
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how sure are you on gb? i just read his filter in game of thrones earlier, damdy, and it completely dismantled my toneread on him | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:06 Mig wrote: So basically you are saying yea here is extra information I could have but I choose to ignore it. This entire line feels like an excuse not to actually look for scum or poor play at best. what exactly do you expect me to find in this other game, hm? | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:07 Damdred wrote: 72% sure that GB is town off a cursery look at his filter. Size and push in the game lead me to this with a few other points in his advantage such as his early game and his sticking his neck out all the time. ehhhhhhhh you've a better track record with gb than he has with you but i dunnae ![]() | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:11 Mig wrote: I am basically running off the idea that you aren't actually trying to figure out my alignment. The complete tunnel on how my vote switch to bf HAD to be mafia, without even considering the possibility of a townie view point. You don't ask me any questions. You don't read my past game. To me it doesn't look like you care whether I am scum or not, you just want to lynch me. i do want to lynch you xP but now you're suffering from selective memory or not reading the thread; take your pick | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:14 Damdred wrote: I think there is a difference between almost lynched and leading the lynch by like 4 votes. i think there's very little difference, actually, when he was very likely to be lynched, damdred let him answer and shut up please | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:15 GlowingBear wrote: If I claimed yesterday I would be dead at night without a check. I relied on fighting the lynch with all my might and gamble on being able to check someone at night. ... lol the main reason i believe you right now is the unexplained/weakly defended flip on mig today okay | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:18 Breshke wrote: Why did you check mig someone who's votes basically saved you instead of someone who voted on you and who you scum read/kept flipping on. For example me he was scumreading mig last night it's what made his read flip on mig today when mig actually COULD be the lynch, odd xP | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:22 Damdred wrote: GB actually does play blue rather well, like not shooting me when I play like crap on a smurf.... Anyway, I think we should switch to yamato in this situation. already have based on how he normally plays scum, it's fairly likely...better than anything else i've got with gb and mig (kinda) off the table | ||
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that was my response, too, but it does actually explain the weird read flip on mig today? | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:25 Holyflare wrote: Or he knows he's fucked and mig looks like shit for defending him and fake claims? possibly? but i don't know that that's really more likely | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:26 Breshke wrote: Why should he flip his read because of a green check when there could be a framer or a GF in the game. If the flip was weird because it wasn't backed up by reasons then it should still be weird. A green heavy doesn't mean much at this stage eh, that's a good point, too. i'd just checked what sort of detective fucking roles there were and there are a lot of potential ones | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:27 Mig wrote: lynching gb would be retarded HF why are you ignoring yam. Do you think yam is town? If you think there is a chance that yam is mafia isnt it 1000x better to lynch him and leave an un cc detective alive. agree with mig even though i recognize that he has a vested interest in this if he's scum with gb lol >< | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:31 Damdred wrote: But seriously why am I weird? I've had a hard town read on GB since d1 and haven't deviated from it. If i'm lynched i'm ok with it I sort of deserve it for unfortunate things happening townreading me when you can't know my alignment, apparently xP but you have a tendency to townread me anyway so it bugs me less than it does others i guess | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote: Oh boy. You've tone read me as town for like 4/5 of the game, then you reevaluated your read under bad assumptions, but you're STILL willing to lynch me after I claimed cop without a single counter claim. It's simple: if I'm the cop, I'm dead tonight, if I'm not, you guys will lynch me day3 You can't be that bad. lol are you talking to me? | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:35 GlowingBear wrote: The first paragraph The last one was directed to all townies, sorry um...can you not read? | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:36 Breshke wrote: I always hate when people say if the powerrole doesn't die we lynch them the next day. It never works like that heh, no it really doesn't work like that frequently. i keep blues i know are blues alive often as scum if they're on the wrong track or i can fuck with them or use them -shrugs- still, that's not a good reason to lynch gb now xP | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:37 GlowingBear wrote: I'm getting ready to another party, maybe I skipped a post of yours, sry i removed my vote on you as soon when you explained and also told hf that i agreed with mig that lynching you over yama was retarded read before you whine por favor xP | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:38 Damdred wrote: Lohengramm (8): Mig, GlowingBear, Damdred, VayneAuthority, rsoultin, ruXxar, Fidei86, Holyflare HF why did you switch to yam when you are so sure of gb and wanted to fight it the whole way? Rsoultin how sure are you on Fidei at this point still? fidei is my mason buddy since you already outed it and i'd be pissed if you guys shennanied onto him i figured once i was inevitably nk'd it would be too obvious for the most braindead of all players to mistake he was my partner lol | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:43 Damdred wrote: I'm actually surprised you made it past n1 with how you softed. I feel bad for outing it but maybe we kill the rb and they have to choose between two confirmed town and gb getting a check lol lol...i kinda went yolo i'm n1'd often enough i was more concerned about fidei getting townread than me getting picked off as a blue | ||
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it's like...you didn't read the first part of the game or something? | ||
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eh well, rit was really focused on the fact that i was scumreading mig but not gb? like ridiculously focused on it to the point of being ridiculous and kept doing the whole heebie jeebies thing which started putting me off more and more the longer he did that...kinda like how mig kept focusing on me not reading his one other game on the forum as if that would change how weird his vote looked this game | ||
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eeeeehhhhh yeah onegu could easily be scum this game actually | ||
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bleh i guess i'll poof, too | ||
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it's me hi shock | ||
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On June 22 2015 07:41 ShoCkeyy wrote: Oh. Back to the day lynch. I don't get why people that play as townies play so scummy. It's seriously frustrating. >> lol you were one of the wagons shockeyy i haven't had the opportunity to prod you much...you've been skating by a bit. where you at, boyo? | ||
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On June 22 2015 08:09 ShoCkeyy wrote: I'm at my step sisters Father's Day party (posting from phone). What's boyo? And on the wagon thing, that's fine, all you'd end up with is a dead townie and not move the game forward. lol it's nothing...dude, man, boyo same difference i was basically saying that you can't complain about a town player playing "scummy" if you're playing "scummy" enough to be the other wagon, especially if you're town xP | ||
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On June 22 2015 08:24 GlowingBear wrote: Not fair enough, Rsoultin. Simple excuse to park his vote on LS and coming back 4 minutes after deadline to rant on the lynch xP you think that i take all excuses at face value? it IS fair enough that he said he'd be gone -flicks onegu- he's not being bad. you did come back RIGHT after the lynch after parking your vote on a highly likely townie | ||
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On June 22 2015 09:25 LightningStrike wrote: I just got back only to find Yamato got lynched as town o.o I surprised that Shockeyy didn't get lynched over him in all honesty. I thought everyone was scumreading Shockeyy over Yamato or at least have him as higher chance of flipping scum. Also GB read flip on Mig is now explained by his Cop claim since GB got a green check on Mig. At least I had a fun time at Six Flags but the rain was terrible and wish my body didn't wake up after 6 hours of sleep >.< @rsoultin: How high of a chance you think Onegu will flip scum because all he did was park his vote on me and then came back 4 mins after the lynch to complain about the lynch from what I read? because he did that specifically? it's not weighing in his favor i dunnae...it's oneg so it's hard to say. like there's a lot of stupid ass lazy shit he can do and still be town -_- eh. there's a couple things i need to check about him i think | ||
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eh honestly this game feels harder than it should be and i'm not sure why | ||
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... where did this formula of yours come from, ruxx? | ||
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Your reads formula. Where did it come from? | ||
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On June 23 2015 00:10 ruXxar wrote: As for the list, that is my own interpretation of the game so far, through the little I've played and read about the game. I'm not saying it's a definitive list, or even a good list, but that is what I think of the game at this point. no i mean your pro/anti town list where did you get those things from? it's partly a matter of curiosity but when i see something new, especially from a new player, it also speaks to your alignment somewhat xP namely that i'm having trouble getting reads on people. people like damdred and ls who should be bugging me more i feel fairly confident are town people like ritoky, breshke and hf who i feel should be solidly town i keep waffling on (for instance, hf has been pretty involved and i know that he just started a new job which explains the smaller amount of time to play and the different times he's on, yet no one's really even trying to figure anything out this night phase and i'd expect him to be in the mix, which is making me uncomfortable) that makes the game hard for me. parts of your play make the game hard for me blah i'll post a shitty where i'm at reads list later but unfortunately exams/class today took precedence over really looking into things so it'll be kinda stale | ||
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Eh, shock i'd kinda just like to see your thoughts...my general impression of you in respect to this game is reactive I hear you hf Bueno I kinda want to lynch rit for his odd focus this game. Same with mig. Their reactions to my read on gb seemed pretty unnatural honestly | ||
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On June 23 2015 03:18 GlowingBear wrote: He needs to be killed. Bad tunnel, the parking of the vote, the trollish "I just came from dinner" righ after deadline... needs to be killed and scum aren't necessarily the same thing, and i don't know how many more mislynches we can reasonably afford, gb unless you're certain as hell...eh -_- | ||
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Confirmed Town fidei Town LightningStrike by the not a complete asshole rule GlowingBear (claim is believable, can clarify if asked) Prob Town Holyflare (would be higher, but i'm a paranoid git so pbbbffft) Breshke (analytical mind is present) Damdy (still trusting my toneread) Maaaaybe Town Nyd (reasons to believe he's town, activity excuse could be real, but this is getting...worrisome) Shock (feels and tone and shtuff...want more of his thoughts though xP) Oneg (could be his town game; being really useless though ![]() Null Mig (only here because of the green check, disconnected from the thread even sometimes when he's in it) Scumlean Ruxxar (could be newness, but the formulaic reads are too easy to hide behind while allowing him to disengage from the thread) VA (maybe he should be null or i'm reading too much into things, but some of the thing's he's said, i.e. the all caps thing, have been downright misleading) Scum ritoky (giving me bad feelings. especially how he kept poking at my read on gb while refusing to have one of his own. isolated vote on shock was bad given the probably two town wagons, huge activity fall-off) bueno, that's where i'm at and sorry it's all feels and tones and shit like that...obviously if gb's fake-claiming the game completely changes but i'm actually inclined to believe him after thinking about it lol >< | ||
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On June 23 2015 07:13 VayneAuthority wrote: alright so anyone feel like which idiots openly thought breshke and ritoky were very town and then killed them? because they werent universal townreads. kinda lends credence to the idea that scum shot into protection n1 lol >< and my scumread on rit was clearly dead wrong -_- | ||
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On June 23 2015 07:23 VayneAuthority wrote: idk im not scared of either of those people really if im mafia. I think the nightkills so far incriminate the onegu/damdred/rsoultin/etc clusterfuck. probably a lot of mafia there. lol xP i'd love to see you try to push me really, va you couldn't even do it when i was actually scum and my team was fucking up left and right -snorts- | ||
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On June 23 2015 08:06 VayneAuthority wrote: until there is flip assocation yes its the only reliable information. I can say and do anything as both alignments, if you cant then you simply have a shitty meta. Once one mafia gets flipped then the fun starts lol xP well i think most people actually can't do and say anything as both alignments, but that's a fair point i suppose | ||
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On June 23 2015 08:39 ruXxar wrote: So here's my thoughts: + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2015 07:01 Half the Sky wrote: Final Day 2 Vote Count Lohengramm (10): Mig, GlowingBear, Damdred, VayneAuthority, rsoultin, ruXxar, Fidei86, Holyflare, Breshke, ShoCkeyy GlowingBear (2): ShoCkeyy (2): LightningStrike (1): Onegu VayneAuthority (0): Holyflare (0): Mig (0): Onegu (0): Slipping from the ledge, Lohengramm fell into the abyss. Day 2 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). The mafia are most likely voting for Lohengramm here. Reasons being: 1, They don't want to stick out from the crowd. 2. It would draw unnecessary attention to themselves if they didn't follow the cop claim. This gives me a better feeling about LS and nydus being town(Onegu doesn't count since he was afk). Of the people voting on on Lohengramm, I really like Fidei, so I'm giving him a town pass for now. Assuming that GB is cop and that Mig is greenchecked that narrows down my circle of Mafia to these people: Damdred, VayneAuthority, rsoultin, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, onegu(because afk). Of those people my top 3 mafia suspects are: Vayne, Onegu ShoCkeyy. I'll be filter diving the rest on that list to see if I change my mind. lol xP 14 people...mafia must be in the 10 lynching yama 2 of them (rit, yama) are now dead xP that's um amazing reasoning there ruxx xP assuming that gb is cop and that mig is greenchecked and was neither framed nor is godfather you've only removed fidei from your list? why do you think fidei is town? and don't use your model i want just a straight, unguided answer, cause the obvious reason to think he's town you clearly didn't notice | ||
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d4 is mylo if we don't get a scum lynch today va why did you overlook shockey? if you place so much emphasis on nightkills | ||
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it weirds me out he's still around but frankly, me still being around was a bit surprising, too...i'm not as scary as hf though xP to most scum teams nydus needs to get his ass in here. i have very cooling inklings about him but this d1 awesome followed by nada nada nada even with exams...i have exams, too. it's not an excuse to do absolutely nothing | ||
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On June 23 2015 09:05 VayneAuthority wrote: i had my vote on shockey for a majority of the day yesterday. I was shedding new possible reads, he's still there i mean it's a little wifomy but bear with me n1 strongly suggests mafia shot into protection. i see no reason to withhold a shot on one of the two nights they get two so medic dodge shots make a lot of sense here and if you're going to medic dodge you're most likely going to shoot harder to lynch townies and/or ones that have the correct reads both rit and breshke were scumreading shock pretty hard it's not like stellar reasoning or anything but rit wasn't unlynchable...bresh maybe was. so there has to be a reason rit was chosen | ||
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On June 23 2015 09:11 ruXxar wrote: On June 23 2015 08:49 rsoultin wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2015 08:39 ruXxar wrote: So here's my thoughts: + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2015 07:01 Half the Sky wrote: Final Day 2 Vote Count Lohengramm (10): Mig, GlowingBear, Damdred, VayneAuthority, rsoultin, ruXxar, Fidei86, Holyflare, Breshke, ShoCkeyy GlowingBear (2): ShoCkeyy (2): LightningStrike (1): Onegu VayneAuthority (0): Holyflare (0): Mig (0): Onegu (0): Slipping from the ledge, Lohengramm fell into the abyss. Day 2 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). The mafia are most likely voting for Lohengramm here. Reasons being: 1, They don't want to stick out from the crowd. 2. It would draw unnecessary attention to themselves if they didn't follow the cop claim. This gives me a better feeling about LS and nydus being town(Onegu doesn't count since he was afk). Of the people voting on on Lohengramm, I really like Fidei, so I'm giving him a town pass for now. Assuming that GB is cop and that Mig is greenchecked that narrows down my circle of Mafia to these people: Damdred, VayneAuthority, rsoultin, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, onegu(because afk). Of those people my top 3 mafia suspects are: Vayne, Onegu ShoCkeyy. I'll be filter diving the rest on that list to see if I change my mind. lol xP 14 people...mafia must be in the 10 lynching yama 2 of them (rit, yama) are now dead xP that's um amazing reasoning there ruxx xP assuming that gb is cop and that mig is greenchecked and was neither framed nor is godfather you've only removed fidei from your list? why do you think fidei is town? and don't use your model i want just a straight, unguided answer, cause the obvious reason to think he's town you clearly didn't notice The ones I didn't put on my suspect list aren't there because I haven't read their filters. So yes my view is very skewed :p. Also, I really liked fidei due to his filter, and I'll stand by this no matter what opinion anyone else have of his play. Thing is, If he played and posted the same way as mafia, I would *still* say that he was town. Maybe that's a dumb viewpoint to have but I just love his style of posting. Also the mason claim just reinforced my view, which you posted way after my analysis of him btw :p The fact that I like him so much and that you claim mason with him should actually put you off my list too now that I think about it. -facepalms- meh i don't care if i'm on your list or not he's been very afkish which is why i kept having to say he's town he's town he's town all game, so to have that strong a townread on him above everyone else...that struck me as odd, rux like i look at his posting and where he's posting reasoning it's solid; the complaining about the game moving too fast for him, not so much. the openly sheeping me before the claim for no reason, also not so much. you're like the only one who was really townreading him because to most people who didn't have privileged information he looks worse than most of the players still in the game so either your read is just better than a whole lot of people's (which really isn't impossible, if somewhat improbable) or you have privileged information...and i know for a fact there's only two people in our mason qt xP | ||
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ksc/bresh damdy but he's not here -_- hf but i'm doubting him -_- were/are the players i could really bounce reads off. you were awesome last game. i want your opinions even if you think i'm a retarded scrub lol >< | ||
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On June 23 2015 09:21 ShoCkeyy wrote: Rsoul, I know for a fact that you and fedei are town, now I want you to explain to me how LS can be town. Like I want you to explain to me how some one can claim to get out of a lynch then unclaim and no one bats a fucking eye? I'm reopening my case against LS and will be posting my thoughts on him soon. Just to bring this up again: he's generally very unmotivated to play scum unless he's lying about what happened, which i don't believe to be within his character to do, the idea that he could even begin to play the game at this level is ludicrous. is basically what it boils down to | ||
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On June 23 2015 09:33 ShoCkeyy wrote: Maybe he changed his meta? He was mafia last game he played with me and was caught first night, but half of the players in that game are in this game as well. I just don't like the fact that he does exactly what he preaches against. damdy is right some people are capable of adjusting their scum game to mirror their town game (or deliberately go the other way which is irritating -_-) some aren't ls is one of the latter and as i said before, even if it were possible this game, under those conditions? nah | ||
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On June 23 2015 09:41 ShoCkeyy wrote: His case against me..... Which he's still trying to push me with no valid reasons or case against me. Breshke just got lynched this previous night and now look where we're at. Breshke was also onto LS in D1. word to the wise; don't use nk wifom when you're the logical reason for the deaths of BOTH ritoky and bresh granted they both struggled with ls, but breshke accepted my reasoning n1...he definitely wasn't killed n2 for that | ||
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On June 23 2015 09:45 VayneAuthority wrote: I think you are looking for my diagram (Holyflare, Shockey, (damdred,onegu), ???) or (Glowingbear, Mig, (damdred, onegu), ???) nh, i find gb/mig a stretch we lynch one of those that's kinda double suicide. not that it's impossible but i still think it's a stretch. that's why i said i kinda believe gb's claim. it's almost like scum buddies claiming mason together...very risky | ||
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ksc? he didn't have ls on his final scum list either he'd settled on gb being scum and you were heading his list with yama, fidei (conf town), mig and oneg like you can't say that these players are being killed for an ls scumread when 2/3 of them weren't reading ls scum the night they were killed. that's just not a solid argument. it's a little wifom to be discussing anyway but if these players were killed for their scumreads it wasn't for ls | ||
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On June 23 2015 09:55 VayneAuthority wrote: is it risky though? GB flips mafia and its just called "wifom" You keep him alive through RB claims and then they just both sit there "confirmed" I dont see where the risk comes into play when he was / / this close to the noose lol >< it might explain why the game feels hard, honestly? i don't fucking know va, is the problem -_- like i thought i knew how to read gb, and either way i've been wrong somewhere and equally convinced i was right...like i think about gb screaming for damdy's lynch in a recent town game and he just happens to have the same toneread i do for damdy? i told it to him awhile back :/ lord knows i mean...i don't like mig's play, straight up. he's not playing. i don't feel he's trying to solve the game and i'm not sure why so many are saying he is. i'm not sure why people accept that green check as if it's set in stone with a possible godfather/framer...though admittedly it's more statistically likely he's town and i'm just wrong again, if gb even checked him like the only ones i'm for sure for sure on are like fidei and almost ls i kinda hate this game -_- | ||
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On June 23 2015 10:06 ShoCkeyy wrote: But they did read him as scum at one point or another and wait here's a great post: Why kill off players that continue to read him as scum when Onegu and I are also being read as scum by other players? Why not just lynch the ones that he knew were town, when you said so yourself, I had a wagon on myself meaning I was able to get lynched at any point and scum knew it. Here's the better part: He was threatened day 1, LIED, then it completely moved over to BF. Day 2, Reverses his lie and still doesn't feel threatened, only by few players. if i'm wrong about ls i apologize to everyone but frankly shockey he's someone i no longer know if i'm wrong about ls. as a person, he is someone I DO NOT KNOW if i am wrong. so you won't convince me with this. you may convince everyone else that the lie makes him scum, but you won't convince me | ||
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first the nks are because they were scumreading ls now the nks don't matter and you say why would they bother i said you were scummy enough to be A wagon...when were you actually in danger of being lynched, though? like your arguments are actually arguing FOR you being scum rather than against lol >< | ||
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On June 23 2015 10:12 ShoCkeyy wrote: Well you asked me what my thoughts were and I just laid them out for you. okay say i'm wrong and you're right on ls are those the only thoughts you have? you came in when i said that the nks kinda point to you, you know...could be coincidental but that's a little convenient | ||
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On June 23 2015 10:21 ShoCkeyy wrote: Are you saying that rsoul isn't mason with fedei? Cause that's what I got from the damdred post. Of course not, but those are my thoughts on LS and since you're backing the hell out of LS for a certain reasons, I just wanted to show you my thoughts on him first and of course it's convenient... I just find it odd that these players had a scum read on LS first, then scum read on me and then they ended up being the NK while LS is still trying to push me. um why would mafia kill the two players who want to lynch you? lol if that's their purpose? that's counterintuitive | ||
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On June 23 2015 10:19 Onegu wrote: LS is scum with HF and HF is like damnit LS you better play this game and LS is all like OK. Or LS is scum with Rsoul and is all like need to impress her. (reasons why LS could be motivated to play harder as scum this game.) BOOM HEADSHOT onegu lightningstrike's friend died. unless you think he lies about that, do you REALLY think that even if i were scum fake-claiming mason it would be enough to get him to break his meta this game? or that hf is that much of a douche to bully him into it if HE'S scum? like...did you actually read what's going on with ls? you know him fairly well...do YOU think he'd make something like that up? | ||
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On June 23 2015 10:20 Onegu wrote: ruXxar doing classic new scum mistake of throwing shit out there without actually reading thread or filters. Kinda like how Marv caught me in ## Mafia he has avoided mine like the plague lol >< but most people do. brain cancer or whatever this could be a thing read on shockey? | ||
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and shockey is not reading the game if he knows ls lied but not that -_- since it was posted at practically the same time | ||
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well you can check his filter to verify, but yeah. it's why i told you to stop being an ass...or whatever the verbage was that i used and yes, i'm masons with fidei | ||
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On June 19 2015 08:46 LightningStrike wrote: I am VT this game and I unclaimed because everyone questioned my claim I didn't really expect to much on and decided enough was enough. I prob just replace out because I just can't play this game as last Friday a friend of mine from High School died in a Car Accident and I only found out after I signed up. I thought that I can play but then with the shit happening this game I can't play it anymore and will commit Sudoku. | ||
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On June 23 2015 10:01 ruXxar wrote: Something I noticed is that it's easy to put out analysis when you don't want to participate in the game, afraid of outing yourself. I mean analysis is basically just selecting quotes from people, putting them in order and trying to read between the lines. Not much chance of slipping up there as mafia. It's much harder if you actually engange actively in conversation and get riled up. [...] sorry ruxx ^^; this feels kinda dirty but it's the game that just finished...so it is what it is | ||
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On June 23 2015 12:03 ShoCkeyy wrote: My second scum read will come tomorrow, let's see if they even post at all. I'm going to go to bed, i've been up all day and haven't stopped working till now. ... why are you withholding it? sorry i'll address anything else later | ||
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On June 23 2015 12:04 LightningStrike wrote: Also rsoultin I want to talk to you about rux because he just finished a game when he was town and you coached him there what is your read on him based on that? I still think that slot is town but he just a new player though from what I can tell from some of early stuff and him admitting it too lol. pls read | ||
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On June 23 2015 10:44 rsoultin wrote: ruxxar i just saw something in the game you just finished that really makes me think you're scum here ^^; and it almost makes me want to apologize to you if you really are scum cause normally i would never have seen it if i hadn't been coaching you and the othersm, so was half-following the post-game | ||
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that not interacting but instead just taking posts and talking about them is easy for scum what did he do as soon as he came into the game? post just filter dives i'll admit i didn't follow the game as close as i should have, but the curious thing for me was that "list" of town traits vice scum traits is not something i remember him doing in the newbie game | ||
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On June 23 2015 12:41 GlowingBear wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'VE GOT TWO RED CHECKS!!!! http://captiongenerator.com/46881/About-a-fake-cop-check tried to post this near night deadline but my 3G screwed me. guess what happened o.0 how do you get two red checks out of that? | ||
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why did you claim green on mig, what is your real read on mig, are you actually claiming that you got a cop check last night? etc. etc. | ||
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On June 23 2015 12:48 GlowingBear wrote: SICK PLAYZ lol gb i didn't scroll down xP that's pretty smart >< so i'm assuming you're telling me you didn't get rb'd? | ||
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On June 23 2015 12:54 GlowingBear wrote: YES! OH FUCK YES ASK ME WHO IS IT ASK ME ASK ME NOW! i think i already asked you lol | ||
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On June 23 2015 12:56 GlowingBear wrote: I've got a red check on you, dear. ![]() then there's a framer or you're scum ^^ why did you check me? | ||
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On June 23 2015 12:58 Onegu wrote: HAHAHAHAHA HEADSHOT!!!!! ##Vote Rsoultin No greater pleasure! except i'm not scum? | ||
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On June 23 2015 12:59 GlowingBear wrote: Well, you see, you didn't push hard HF's mason claim, so I thought you could be faking yours with fidei And if you fake yours with him and he doesn't question, he is mafia with you. So, 2 checks + Mig GAMEBREAKING except i did push HF hard? and you think that i'm just bussing mig apparently? cause if he's scum as you postulated we'd have to be scum together otherwise you'd be dead or rbd... what about our interaction made it look like i was bussing him? | ||
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read his video. it's actually quite clever if he did that as town lol >< | ||
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On June 23 2015 13:02 Onegu wrote: I watched it and he says he checked LS not mig but in the post just above he says 2 checks + Mig. not 2 checks + LS... the description. scroll down | ||
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On June 23 2015 13:04 Onegu wrote: So if this is true you have 3 scum. Fidei, rsoul, and mig right? except fidei and i are masons, so his check is either fake or tampered with | ||
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yes it's technically possible that two scum could soft strongly that they're mason from the start of the game but likely? it's not likely at all and more to the point it simply didn't happen :/ | ||
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On June 23 2015 13:05 Onegu wrote: How do you jump to this??? Do you know there is a framer? we already discussed the possibility of a framer/gf in the game when gb first outed? | ||
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On June 23 2015 13:07 GlowingBear wrote: I'm kidding, just wanted some reactions from people online My red check is on holyflare THANK GOD YOU PRICK YOU PLAYED TOO MUCH WITH MY HEART -facepalms- glowingbear you asshole, if you keep claiming different things how are we supposed to believe anything lol >< | ||
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On June 23 2015 13:09 GlowingBear wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA But you can believe in me now. Mig and Holyflare are both mafia. Holyflare because the check turned red and Mig because I didn't die nor did I get roleblocked i kinda want to believe you just cause that fits my feels and you fucking with me on mig was not making me happy >< dude hf and mig hf was really LYNCH GB anyway then suddenly was GB/Mig both town...and i found that an odd switch for sure but i'm a little concerned that i find it believable cause i already thought that was a good possibility lol >< | ||
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On June 23 2015 13:11 Onegu wrote: So like I really think LS is scum. Scum knew if a cop is in the game they would check him because his claim and unclaim. So scum used a frame on him. He posts he knows there is a framer oneg okay we can address this later let's talk about what's relevant is glowinbear's claim believable? how likely is it that the hf red check is a real one even if gb's claim is real? personally i think the story is pretty complex to be made up lol >< and he was way too excited that doesn't negate the possibility of a framer/miller(?) i think in the game | ||
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i don't know why you're focusing on ls here, oneg...i guess it could technically be tmi but why do you automatically vote for me on the red check but then throw shit at ls when gb claims it was hf instead? | ||
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On June 23 2015 13:24 Onegu wrote: Again if Mig is mafia, mafia thought his claimed green check was just him fakeclaiming to live day 1. So scum just leaves him alive... then vote mig if you're that convinced mig is mafia? | ||
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On June 23 2015 13:26 Onegu wrote: Because LS has TMI. Like it has to be TMI. He says framer has to be in the game... if he believes my claim and believes gb's claim that's kind of the natural conclusion, though? YOU instantly "believed" i was scum, but you know you like an excuse to lynch me anyway it's not necessarily tmi and it's not really that relevant anyway unless mig is actually mafia, right? | ||
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On June 23 2015 13:27 Onegu wrote: Why would I do that. I have been saying HF is mafia... the vote hf with me ^^ and we can worry about ls in good time | ||
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and mig is scum which...it's a decent conclusion, gb, but not quite 100% i still think shockey is a really good shot for scum ruxxar probably too though i need to look through his filter closer just to make sure that my impression is correct that this criteria seemed to come from nowhere and this distance from the thread isn't the way he was playing the game i coached him in | ||
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On June 23 2015 13:34 GlowingBear wrote: There is actually a better chance that Mig flips scum instead of Holyflare, because mafia will NEVER, EVER EVER EVER -NOT- ROLEBLOCK ME and kill ritoky and breshke instead of me unless they thought my claim wasn't true i'm perfectly happy to lynch either of them xP frankly i only had mig as null GRUDGINGLY | ||
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On June 23 2015 13:42 NydusHerMain wrote: Yayyyyy Nydus finished his exam :3 hey nyd xP welcome back to the world of the living | ||
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On June 23 2015 13:45 NydusHerMain wrote: Am I allowed to read this thread backwards without being scumread T.T ... fuck people do what you want btw nyd, when you get caught up i want those reads you haven't been giving | ||
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what sort of reactions were you fishing for, fake-claiming a red check on me? | ||
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On June 23 2015 13:54 NydusHerMain wrote: So wait GB, I haven't read your filter to doublecheck but you're saying you were already setting up a fake claim on MiG as town since day 2? I like your claim (kind of?) but it's interesting that you would put a fake green on someone you thought was scum because if they actually are mafia, they're pretty much off the table that day solely because of you. On top of that, I want to give you two scenarios under the assumption you're real. 1) MiG is godfather and thinks you're the real cop with a green check on him. He sees that you're getting a lot of scum pushed on you despite you being a cop claim. Then, he doesn't kill you in the night because you're getting a lot of scum pushed on you and MiG knows that if he's to ever get lynched, you have to get lynched first so it kinda puts him on your side in association so he doesn't ever have to kill you and can just let town mislynch you. 2) MiG is town and the mafia sees you getting a lot of scum pushed on you and decides to keep him alive because he's inactive and useless anyways (from their eyes) and all they need to do is push you and get you mislynched. I appreciate your efforts if you're real on doing a "fancy" play but I don't think that your play solves anything with respect to MiG's alignment. Also, if you wanted to do a fancy play like you did, I suggest in the future to claim like a green check on me. It's much more likely for me to be town than for MiG (although I might be biased in saying this) and it would've made sense since you said that you thought I was town but that I was dropping down from the circle. Meh, I dunno. I'll probably have to filter dive hard to see what's up. RS, I forget. How hard did HF push on you? I recall him being with bugs on the push on you but he backed off pretty easily? i'm ridiculously hard to lynch, nydus, as either alignment. i've been mislynched once in lylo and i would have been lynched (probably) if i hadn't conceded in my first scum game but otherwise -shrugs- he came after me for pushing him, basically saying that i should know his meta and since i was pushing him anyway for those reasons it made me scum | ||
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but bugs' reasons would never make me scum, and honestly...i don't know if he could get away with supporting those with the players in the thread with me | ||
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On June 23 2015 13:58 NydusHerMain wrote: I am going to say that I am leaning more towards GB being real, moreso than prior to his check switch solely because I think LS is town. It's interesting because I was reading HF as town too. I didn't really believe him when he said he had a red on RS though. I thought that there was no reason for him to check RS but at the same time, I didn't believe RS instantly saying she was framed either because I feel like if mafia believed that GB was cop, since RS wasn't on GB's radar, framer wouldn't use his power on RS and would use it on some town in GB's scum circle unless they're all scum. <- not that the last part matters since he's not claiming RS red xP i said he was either scum or i was framed i'm mason there's simply no possibility of me coming back red unless there's a framer or...well i guess technically gb is faking the red check lol >< but i didn't think he'd fake a red check on me as town that's just mean -_- | ||
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On June 23 2015 14:03 NydusHerMain wrote: Would it be more interesting to give my reads prior to the checks or just start from scratch and look for a GB team vs a HF team? ummmmm maybe from the perspective of the "checks" since you'll be looking at the information with new eyes and may see things we missed without that information? i mean you won't be able to forget it now, anyway | ||
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On June 23 2015 14:16 NydusHerMain wrote: Okay Fidei I had as scummy so that's good if that's a legit claim... I had LS and RS as town and I was willing to believe GB for a day on his claim as well as his check on MiG. HF I had as town, and I think that might be about it off the top of my head. Onegu I have had as scum since day but I think I read something about him pushing on HF so that might change things. This game, I've been trying to trust my own personal meta reads on people, e.g. Ritoky, but it's been proven wrong once and I have a feeling that I'm wrong on another (either onegu or damdred or both or I don't know). My reads are 100% proven to be bad because I had RS as town and Fidei as scum and they're hard aligned, I had HF and GB as town and they're obviously opposite alignments so it's kind of awkward for me. I think I'm going to try to spend my time on deciding whether or not I trust RS as town by not going off a tone read but an actual logic / activity read because I trust her meta reads over mine. At least she has more games than I do with everyone... zzz... ah :/ trusting my meta/tonereads can be dangerous fidei and ls i won't let people lynch damdy is someone i BELIEVE i've got a good toneread on...i really do. but in all honesty a month or two ago i was still struggling with him so i've been very accurate recently but i don't think it's been tested enough to be completely reliable i still won't lynch him without a very good reason oneg i'm not certain on. like literally you should just get your own read on him. all i will say is that i can see him playing this way as town easily and HAVE seen him play this way as town hf i've waffled on most of the game. i think he's tied in pretty close to mig though given his behavior when gb claimed; if one is scum the likelihood that they both are is kinda high shockey is likely scum but that's not meta and it's mostly associative so that's for later ruxxar independently i think is scum. rit may have been right about the association between him and shockey though lol that's where i'm at >< va...i think the best way to tell with him is to wait a bit | ||
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On June 23 2015 14:18 NydusHerMain wrote: Oh and I definitely think Shockey is scum as I have all game if the people who died in the night were pushing on him. I don't actually remember if they pushed on him but I HIGHLY doubt mafia try to frame someone by killing wrong town. That's so dumb. It's easier to get someone mislynched by keeping the people pushing the mislynch alive rofl than trying to frame by killing anyone who calls that town scum. Shockey is way scummier for those night kills than he claims. lol yes xP i said that >> yeah i'm spammy. it helps me make reads. i'm selfish that way | ||
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On June 23 2015 14:27 NydusHerMain wrote: What was rit's association because shockey and ruxxar? Because I independently read them both scummy. it was bugs actually bugs asked shockey a question when he was out of the thread and shockey immediately answered it. ritoky thought that meant that bugs probably already knew that shockey was there...i.e. scum together | ||
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On June 23 2015 14:29 NydusHerMain wrote: I dunno, even without reading through your filter, just talking to you now I feel like we're coming from the same mindset. After this game is over I'll find out if I just think like mafia or not but until then, I'm probably just leaning town on you forever >.> i feel like anything i say to this will reduce my credibility xP in all honesty i'm really not an easy scum catch. some people just use the "is she still alive" metric, which is probably a fair one i don't fake-claim, though. so you can at least trust (and others will back it up) that if i'm scum this game i've fake-claimed for the first time in 20 games | ||
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On June 23 2015 14:31 NydusHerMain wrote: Ehhhhh, that sounds like a stretch... I dunno if I'd trust that read but I have a null read on bugs so meh. ruxxar replaced bugs and no i didn't think it made him scum, either. just that it's possible i was having trouble with bugs -_- early game. i know i'm inclined to scumread a player like that anyway and since i didn't know him...eh | ||
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On June 23 2015 14:46 NydusHerMain wrote: So I'm thinking like HF would have a team of like shockey, mig and another? i could see hf with them both yeah like, read eod 2 after hf has been tunneling gb all game and how he reacts to the claim and then his posting during night phase i want to see if we're seeing things the same way | ||
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i need to sleep myself @.@ | ||
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Please address my suspicions on you ruxx | ||
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On June 23 2015 11:27 ShoCkeyy wrote: Did you even read it? It may not be fake, but why would he continue to play if he says he's going to replace out but never did? Maybe he saw his scum team winning and decided to just stick around? Idk... I think I gave enough reasons on LS now and on D1. I'm just going to move ahead and talk about my other scum reads. Sorry was caught up. I'm not ignoring your posting here. Hun nyd said it...while the nks may not have been about their reads on you the framing theory practically never happens. If they plan to push you, way more likely to keep the players who already want to push you around rather than hope the wifom gets you killed. I won't lynch ls. I will never believe he makes this up and as to your question here...a lot of players tried to be supportive and encouraged him to keep playing when he posted that post | ||
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town hf would fight this scum hf would still probably fight this UNLESS it benefits his team more not to the silence almost confirms he's scum, really but it also strongly suggests they're protecting a role. we may be better off lynching mig | ||
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On June 24 2015 05:53 Fidei86 wrote: In this game I have the absolute luxury of being (1) confirmed town and (2) paired with someone who is clearly much smarter and better at the game and me, who I can sheep without doubt. So, yeah. I can wait for your response. -flicks- not true. i'm just opinionated lol >< being confirmed town is hella nice though okay let me break this down for people in an easy-to-follow format 1. We need to determine whether or not we believe Glowingbear's claim now as opposed to later. It's common sense, but if you're the real cop here and we're lynching GB's red check, you claim. 2. We need to determine whether or not we believe the red check is real. What I mean by this, is do we think Holyflare is actually scum? There is the potential for millers and a MAFIA FRAMER in the game, which means that GB's could be real but his results are still false. THE FLIP TO DETERMINE ALIGNMENT IS A BAD IDEA. SCUM CAN BUSS AND CLAIM A FAKE CHECK. THERE COULD BE A FRAMER. STOP BEING LAZY. Everyone needs to address these two questions separate of the check. | ||
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On June 24 2015 06:16 GlowingBear wrote: If there is a framer, he is never framing Holyflare over a team mate, especially when they DON'T believe my cop claim lol gb i literally want every last player in this game (though i can't force it, obviously -_-) to answer those questions 1. I think GB's claim is real. I don't think scum fake-claims cop D2 in a 17-player game with either a fake red check on either town OR a scummate. It doesn't make much sense. 2. I'm inclined to believe HF is scum for the previously stated reasons. In brief 1. his declining presence in the thread 2. his reaction to the GB claim D2 3. that he didn't respond until after i said something about his silence. My final comment is that, because I believe GB's claim, I think his not being killed or roleblocked does point to mig actually being scum. Which makes holyflare's alignment moot, cause either he's town and this is a mislynch or he's scum and begging us to lynch him when the other alternative is...mig. GB a question for you: What reactions were you fishing for, faking a red check on me? | ||
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On June 24 2015 06:17 ruXxar wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2015 06:03 rsoultin wrote: -flicks- not true. i'm just opinionated lol >< being confirmed town is hella nice though okay let me break this down for people in an easy-to-follow format 1. We need to determine whether or not we believe Glowingbear's claim now as opposed to later. It's common sense, but if you're the real cop here and we're lynching GB's red check, you claim. 2. We need to determine whether or not we believe the red check is real. What I mean by this, is do we think Holyflare is actually scum? There is the potential for millers and a MAFIA FRAMER in the game, which means that GB's could be real but his results are still false. THE FLIP TO DETERMINE ALIGNMENT IS A BAD IDEA. SCUM CAN BUSS AND CLAIM A FAKE CHECK. THERE COULD BE A FRAMER. STOP BEING LAZY. Everyone needs to address these two questions separate of the check. Here's how I see it: This is the order of events: - GB claims DT. - GB claims greencheck on mig. - Night 1 ends. - GB does *not* die. This means that mig should be confirmed mafia since the mafia would KNOW the greencheck was false and not kill GB since they thought the claim was fake. This makes me think it's better to actually lynch mig first, since we have the strongest evidence for him being mafia. The check on HF could, as you said be either a framer or a miller, so it's better to go with the sure option first. Until someone CC's I'll believe GB's claim. ##Vote mig lol so you agree with me xP finished the thread yet? | ||
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On June 24 2015 06:39 Holyflare wrote: or mafia see's that there is a cop in the game with a green check on mig and that one of their kp got blocked/saved n1 and don't attack him? or gb is mafia? lol nobody seeing that possibility either? nope. he'd be rb'd he's mafia or mig is, most likely do you think gb is mafia? it's just as important for you if you're town as it is for the rest of us | ||
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On June 24 2015 06:44 Holyflare wrote: it's not important because you're only lynching me to make sense of the whole situation i just haven't moved my vote to mig yet xP so yes it matters | ||
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On June 24 2015 06:48 Holyflare wrote: like why the hell would you vote mig in this situation? I'm red checked and everyone thinks i'm red with mig (for some reason??) so you lynch me, confirm that scenario and get 2 mafia orrrrrrr the real scenario, you lynch me see i'm vt lynch gb orrrr the real scenario^2 you lynch me see i'm miller and vote one of the other scummy mofos nope, lynching mig. there's no reason to not kill or at least rb gb if he's town with a green check unless the green check goes against what mafia knows so if he's claiming this red check on you AT ALL hf, and gb is town, mig should be scum unless you see something i don't? | ||
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On June 24 2015 06:52 Holyflare wrote: well sure but i'm not mafia with him and you do not know whether gb is mafia to even begin with, the only thing that makes him towny in my eyes is the weird claim but even the that means his entire shit fighting spree with me yesterday was completely forged and perpetuated to clog up the thread you've got plenty of time to demonstrate that while we lynch mig ^^ | ||
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On June 24 2015 06:53 Holyflare wrote: yes but what if mig IS town and gb mafia? then you lynch me and lose? nooooo then we lynch gb if mig is town cause he never should have gotten a check if mig is town unless the scum team is retarded | ||
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On June 24 2015 06:55 Holyflare wrote: all of your scenarios hinge on him being town which is why you lynch me to check and then go from there nope | ||
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On June 24 2015 06:53 GlowingBear wrote: Oh, I wasn't fishing for an exact reaction. But it helps figuring people's alignment if someone needs a deeper analysis. I have nothing for the reactions right now answer nydus' questions too, please he had several regarding your reasoning for the fake green check...should be easy to find. dinner and a workout ciao | ||
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On June 24 2015 06:56 Holyflare wrote: well they shot beshke and ritoky so i have little faith in their intelligence :D stop pretending you don't know what i'm saying xP | ||
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how about we talk about how you say you're not scum but for some reason still want us to lynch you even though it actually doesn't give us any more certain information (apart from your alignment) than we have now...who is scum? cause i'd rather lynch scum than town and this lynch "town" for info theory you've got going is shit | ||
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![]() there it is gb lol i cannot comprehend the thought process: "i'm town! lynch me!" ^^ except from slam. but you're not slam the man awesome | ||
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So now you think he's scum hf? What changed since last I asked? Your flip still doesn't confirm his alignment and i'm not sure why you insist on perpetuating that poor line of reasoning | ||
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Yelling at me rather than addressing your read change or doing the work you keep promising doesn't make that reasoning any better | ||
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Why the read change? If you're really town give us your analysis, lawyer XP | ||
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It's a risky, convoluted plan for scum. | ||
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The post you found on a was a good one, though. Eh. I'll be back with real time to look at things an hour before eod. | ||
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-shrugs- get your point but I don't always present things completely honestly either. The push i'm you at the start of the.game for example. Needed you playing xP | ||
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Eh, but I can see the lynch me argument now so we're not still here in mylo | ||
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On June 25 2015 04:04 Mig wrote: Rsoul, were you still able to mason yesterday? You seem like the only other possible target for the JKer. If you were able to then wouldnt that mean the JKer protected gb? How did he get this check off? o.0 i'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way? i AM a mason. fidei IS a mason. i don't think jk/rb would ever effect that reality? but no we were never told we couldn't use our qt? we're not recruiting masons? | ||
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On June 25 2015 04:17 Mig wrote: Why, it is a blue power role. Wouldn't a jk stop that. Either way jk would have most likely protected the claimed dt. Gb you seem more confident that I am scum than holy, but you want to lynch him just because it says more about your alignment? That's it? protecting claimed dt prevents a check? what would be the point? i mean jk still could, but i know when i played the role i was like fuck that. they can get a check off (maybe) and if they don't and are killed at least we can be sure they're actually dt...kinda pointless to speculate here | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:21 Mig wrote: When was ritoky soft claiming tracker lol. Rsoul do you believe town would have a dt jk and 2 town confirmed masons. Doesnt seem op to you? i just caught up to the thread @.@ it really depends on the make-up of the mafia team? but if there isn't some serious cop-hate in this game then it's definitely op | ||
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hf is right here, mig you should have claimed this AGES ago, at the start of the day phase last time you were in thread at least medic-type, 2 masons...his cop claim had to look bad from the beginning? | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:21 Mig wrote: I dont know but I know gb didnt go anywhere last night so if he was jkd I would have someone to back me up. dude if gb didn't go anywhere last night it's the lynch before mylo YOU SAY THE ASSHOLE IS FUCKING LYING I'M THE TRACKER AND HE WENT NO WHERE you're not new you're not stupid hf is this believable to you at all? | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:24 Holyflare wrote: also rsoultin have you even read the nonsense gb has been spouting today?? "he didn't shut down onegu or mig pushes"??? i've read it but not thoroughly in all honesty cause i don't think i have the time to give it that sort of attention before eod @.@ | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:32 Holyflare wrote: i dunno just lynch me so we can get gb out of the way, i'm more inclined to believe mig than gb obviously since gb was tmi'ing that mig was town for his plan all day yesterday lol no >< no no no you don't just ignore a tracker sitting on a no-track waiting until this late in the day to come out with it just cause you and gb have been at each other's throats all game, i'm sorry like seriously, if mig's claim is TRUE gb didn't check anyone (verifying the specifics now) and his check is 100% fake. how is that not relevant? | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:35 Mig wrote: I revealed it with plenty of time.... There are 4 mafia why would I claim unless absolutely necessary -_- | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:36 Mig wrote: Seriously ask yourselves. Is a dt jk 2 confirmed masons balanced. depends on the mafia team make-up like seriously, if there are millers/framers/godfathers whatever the fuck then yeah it could be and we have no fucking clue cause no mafia flips and nothing but vts on the town side | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:38 rsoultin wrote: depends on the mafia team make-up like seriously, if there are millers/framers/godfathers whatever the fuck then yeah it could be and we have no fucking clue cause no mafia flips and nothing but vts on the town side +1 +1 +1 | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:39 Holyflare wrote: i mean like gb says ritoky softed tracker ritoky dies did anybody else see ritoky softing tracker lol?????? yeah lol but i thought it was obv he wasn't when he said I THOUGHT THEY'D NK ME FOR SOFTING TRACKER, BUT I'M NOT or something similar distinctly remember him saying that | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:27 Mig wrote: lynching gb would be retarded HF why are you ignoring yam. Do you think yam is town? If you think there is a chance that yam is mafia isnt it 1000x better to lynch him and leave an un cc detective alive. explain why tracker reacts this way to gb's dt claim, mig | ||
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you do realize that scum knows you protected bugs why would you claim here? | ||
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and a tracker tracks ALL roles including cop so why does mig not say shit when gb is claiming a check? why does mig accept gb's detective claim? | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:49 Holyflare wrote: that only works if bugs is mafia which will be the WORST play ever to do since lynching gb would confirm mig AND bugs as mafia ???? did you think that through? no damn it they know who they shot and they know that person didn't die ARE YOU THINKING?! | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:48 Fidei86 wrote: @rsoult seems unlikely that a VA/HF/mig Mafia line up (which it must be if we believe GB) would come out and nail themselves together so hard now, when we're about to lynch one of them. It really makes me doubt GB. Can you give me a steer, as I'm about to get on a train and might miss eod. i believe va is jk i just think he made a mistake here -_- | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:50 Holyflare wrote: that's pretty redundant now since he's claimed? gathering info, waiting, doing other stuff? plenty of explanations what i'm saying is it makes very little sense hf and you know it you're not a retard -_- | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:53 Mig wrote: I would have revealed VA if I absolutely had to, since I wasnt totally sure if he was jk or mafia but did you notice rsoul and gb didnt even ask me who I tracked n1? FOR OBVIOUS REASONS YOU IDIOT, if you thought he could be jk, why would i ASK YOU THAT?! | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:54 Holyflare wrote: i don't understand when he was ever fine with this when he's just come out now saying he's not fine with this he said it would be retarded to lynch unCCd cop after gb claimed ^^ super fine with it then super fine when cop came out with a red check and he was in the thread earlier NOW he claims? | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:56 Holyflare wrote: of course the real tracker says that so that they don't give away they are the tracker? i don't understand what the problem is, gb is scummy as fuck -_- how does anyone with a brain not get this the guy mig tracks claimed to have a check when mig says he didn't go anywhere and mig just questions why he has a check when gb is saying he's scum for it? nononono | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:57 Holyflare wrote: HOW DOES IT NOT MAKE SENSE LOL GB IS MAFIA AND IT MAKES ME FREE SUCK IT UP WOMAN if gb is actually cop here and you're town you start shadowing me xP | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:59 LightningStrike wrote: Girl he tracked VA to bugs and VA confirmed that and revealed himself as the Jailkeeper and went to bugs which would explain why VA went to Bugs Night1. HE "TRACKED" UNNAMED PERSON TO BUGS VA CLAIMED LIKE AN IDIOT EVEN IF IT'S TRUE, THIS DOES NOT PROVE MIG ACTUALLY TRACKED VA CAUSE HE DIDN'T NAME VA | ||
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On June 25 2015 06:59 Holyflare wrote: everything he has said is insinuating gb could not have got a check off which he wouldn't do regardless? like really? whatever lol i hope y'all are right >< | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:04 Onegu wrote: VA scum here also right? Plus red check on HF i think va was lured out personally -_- scum will take care of him if he's town though | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:06 Holyflare wrote: THAT'S WHAT I WAS DOING ALL OF TODAY LOL FU I TOOK A SICK DAY FOR THIS THEN GROW SOME BRAIN CELLS AND HELP ME WIN -_- and stop fucking throwing | ||
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i said wait reactions bad reactions bad timing makes no sense and y'all say oh but he said he tracked va -facedeskfacedeskfacedesk- blah i'm done for awhile i don't want to bother with this thread until i can do more than growl at people | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:08 LightningStrike wrote: Okay so the red check is real on HF, Mig could be scum for his now fakeclaim most likely, VA is Jailkeeper which he did breadcrumb I just didn't notice it. 100% scum ls we kill mig tomorrow 100% | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:09 VayneAuthority wrote: honestly I only claimed because GB's play was so unbelievably shitty and all over the place that i had enough with this game. if he just plays detective straightforward this doesnt happen. he changed his story every hour agreed that the story changes didn't help but man -_- god the guy says he tracked SOMEONE to SAVED SCUM TARGET bugs and you say OH that's ME?! lol >< i just...don't even know how to express the utter lack of sense that demonstrates, and not in the i think you're scum way...in the i thought you were smarter than that way -_- | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:10 Mig wrote: Guys I did what I thought was best to lynch scum I am sorry no fuck you, you knew who the scum target was get rekt | ||
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well congratulations the both of you ^^ lynched town cop, outed jk keep <3ing at him hf ^^ | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:20 Mig wrote: Rsoul manners please. I did my best sometimes people mess up. Gb was so scummy and why wouldnt mafia shoot or rb him. ^^ nope, you're scum you're either coordinating with him in a lie or you knew who the scum target n1 was manners don't factor into it | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:21 Holyflare wrote: oh my god i love you mig even if i am pissed off today you're pissed off? ROFL >< you're hearting at who you should presume is possibly the real jk for revealing under dubious circumstances and the player who has to be mafia just cause they say gb was scummy? and this is mad? lol >< leaving leaving leaving...fidei will get what i want to say until i can cool off you scrubs don't deserve it | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:57 Damdred wrote: That's not the point. There are a few things to consider, there is 100% information and then there is non perfect information. You have perfect information on yourself, in the world you want us to believe the one where you are a tracker. In this world you tracked Vayne to Bugs n1, You don't know what this means. It could mean that Vayne hit Bugs with a kp and bugs was a vet at that point (during d2). But you never really seem to be pressing on vayne at all in your filter to figure out this information. You do harp on yamato and want to get him lynched. However when Gb claims if you are actually tracker you KNOW that there probably will not be more than one cop type role in this game or very very seldom will it be that way in a non themed game. But instead of going OK GUYS WE LYNCH 100% MAFIA IN GB TODAY. You go NO, DONT LYNCH GB LYNCH YAMATO. You don't act like someone who basically has a CC and act completely differently the next day towards gb than you did around the time of the claim, in fact why did you even track GB? You are sure that hes not the cop, but you claim he didn't move. He claims he has a red check on HF. You are full of lies it looks like to me. it's like you're channeling me after the fact would much rather you have been here to help me stop the lynch and actually kill mig i am not happy with you damdy -_- PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: IN CASE IT WASN'T OBVIOUS IF YOU'RE THE REAL JK THINKING OF CCING DO NOT DO SO PLEASE AND THANK YOU ![]() ^ not gonna bother with va at the moment but yeah too much stupid this game not to have to post that yes fidei i breadcrumbed you like a mofo d1...it was blindingly obvious to anyone bothering to pay attention | ||
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On June 25 2015 08:16 Mig wrote: In hindsight the play was terrible yea, but sometimes we all make mistakes. Lynching me wont change my alignment and the game will still be over. So anyone who is town needs to be thinking about every possibility right now. possibility 1: you're scum. you're in danger of being lynched after holyflare flips. you know holyflare will flip red. you both are probably scum. you execute a very poor cc to try to get gb lynched. idiot townies believed it possibility 2: you are tracker. the game is heinously unbalanced. you don't know the significance of your own checks. you suck balls possibility 3: you are vt. you have such an inflated view of yourself that even though you can't keep up with the game you claimed a fake check to get a cop claim lynched. you suck balls i'm complimenting you by saying i think it's possibility 1 ^^ | ||
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On June 25 2015 08:13 Damdred wrote: The possibility is that you are mafia. Or you did a stupid play. I'd like to believe #1 over #2. It doesn't matter if I have totally read the thread at this point or not, the simple truth is that you did a very mafiaish play. IE its very clear what type of mafia VA thinks we are dealing with here, a group of players who are dodging medic protection. GB is an obviously hit so he protects someone else, its pretty simple. And a legitimate reason why GB is alive, wifom is alive during the nights as well. Its just really simple to me, I mean Could not have a rb. I mean theres loads of possibilities besides this makes GB 100% scum lol we think alike ;o; don't apologize to me. just make it up to me. if you're town i'm almost 100% dead before you are and someone has to carry this thing meh careful nyd jk blocked kp. could have been either coming or going absolutely DO NOT accept ruxxar on faith. you have to remember that bugs pushed on THREE high-volume confirmed town players (i'll be confirmed beyond a shadow of a doubt soon enough) and had amazing thread presence so him being the nk is kinda weird though not impossible | ||
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you want me to treat you like a newbie, nyd? i'll tell you what i tell the newbies i've coached find scum. that's how you get townread your weak defenses won't convince anyone and if you're really town, you should want to help us, not whine about being scumread for a terrible play | ||
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On June 25 2015 08:43 Holyflare wrote: cz you are in much the same situation to me as 4 other people in that you are possibly mafia so it's not particularly helpful just asking questions to a confirmed mafia mig ^^ so why does mig claim to get gb lynched as mafia when you're getting lynched as town ^^ hoooooolyflare he's not in any particular danger. he should know you flip green. you flip green. people try and probably successfully lynch gb. that's game for scum but nope he puts his neck out to fake claim ^^ holyscum <3 god you'd better be scum this game | ||
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On June 25 2015 08:47 Holyflare wrote: what happens if i flip miller? gb confirmed cop, i'm dead mig is next? what happens if mig claims tracker cop dead, mig next? gg mig why on earth would i play so hard all day to get myself lynched if mig is just going to cc as tracker at the end of the day? no fucking way i take a sick day off for that i'm also not shit at mafia and would have killed you and fidei n1 ~_~ lord knows but from your perspective mafia just decided to save town? for kicks and giggles? while confirming himself mafia? xP | ||
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mafia either knowing or strongly fearing that you're miller and being too scared to find ONE MORE TOWNIE to mislynch who wasn't gb that they're gonna save you that's an amazing theory hf lol >< | ||
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On June 25 2015 08:52 Holyflare wrote: confirming himself as mafia gives them an extra mislynch and revealed the jailkeeper so yes, it's not a particularly bad play for someone who was classified as "definitely" scum and could have easily had shenanigans put onto him (many people definitely said mig was a better lynch) tch, that was a last-ditch shot in the dark is what that was, and if va's the real jk i think i have every right to be annoyed with him for that >< | ||
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On June 25 2015 08:56 Holyflare wrote: no the claim was almost definitely to save himself, i don't know the exact motivation but i'm pretty sure your picture of what the game was like is incredibly wrong since the vote count before the claim was mig was definitely going to get lynched at this point based on everyone's responses i'll double-check this before the night is over 2 vote switches is till a bit | ||
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On June 25 2015 10:45 Holyflare wrote: rsoultin what are your reads? don't see any i'm pretending this game doesn't exist | ||
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shockey's amazing posts, hf. you or him. quote/link pls...i am not interested in going through this shit 1 by 1 | ||
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On June 23 2015 12:03 ShoCkeyy wrote: My second scum read will come tomorrow, let's see if they even post at all. I'm going to go to bed, i've been up all day and haven't stopped working till now. hey awol gonna enlighten us? | ||
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On June 25 2015 11:53 ShoCkeyy wrote: Quote + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2015 13:45 NydusHerMain wrote: Am I allowed to read this thread backwards without being scumread T.T ... and the point is...? | ||
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LS still firmly town by not an asshole rule VA is invisible to me Mig is scum. Lynch him. The likelihood that he isn't is so infinitesimal here and this guessing game bs he's trying to sell is ridiculous. Assuming mig is scum cause if he's not game over anyway -_- holyflare very likely scum. Scum play like that makes little sense otherwise. mig can move his vote to keep HF the lynch even if the missing players miraculously turn back up the remaining five are irritating i want to read nyd and damdy town on tone and apparently my tone thing is worth paying fucking attention to ruxx was doing the "don't know what was going on" thing around eod, saying should he trust townread gb or scumreads va and mig? like, what? that looks quite a bit like he's gearing up to switch over if he has to, cause that makes no earthly sense (i still maintain bugs hyper tunneling three towns d1 including one that he was STILL hyper tunneling gb through n1 is probably not going to be your nk...but here's the real kicker. ruxxar, a newbie, replaced in FOUR HOURS before the Day 2 post. and we're going with the ruxx was the mafia nk theory? ROFL) i'd actually probably even lynch ruxx before hf in this circumstance, to be frank also not really seeing much from shock other than just tunneling ls and gb so eh so my issue with oneg is that some of his reactions/analysis has been weird...i wish i had examples at the moment but the instavote on me for instance but not responding to the hf red check the same way? what? so i'm kinda torn between him and shock, honestly, and regardless there's still plenty of time to figure it out mig/ruxx/hf/shock or oneg? | ||
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the problem with the ruxx thing is while i have no fucking clue why RUXX would be the nk with ksc...i'm not sure why a mafia mig would mention bugs to try to draw out a medic claim if that slot is scum... like the only way they could know that it was a stopped shot vs. a save is if the ruxx slot was some sort of mafia role that could be interfered with. the only ones i'm seeing there are: rolecop, mafia vig (which almost seems like too much mafia kp with no apparent town kp), and framer of those, rolecop makes the most sense i think, but that's neither here nor there so now i'm kinda at that...is it more likely that ruxx is a mafia pr whose secondary action was stopped and mafia is hoping we assume that this gets him "cleared" so are willing to risk him too? (not completely out there given jk SHOULD be the last blue, and i don't believe bullets are refunded anyway) or more likely that mafia just decides to shoot ruxxar over..a town hf, or myself, or ritoky softing, etc. etc. n1 ...i dunnae i really find a ruxxar nk highly unbelievable, frankly | ||
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On June 25 2015 14:13 Holyflare wrote: you realise that ruxxar was bugs right?????????????????? also you keep assuming i'm mafia which doesn't make any sense since i'm still just not mafia also if I wanted to at the time I could have just switched to mig when GB asked if i wanted to quite easily and gotten him lynched/collected credit/saved myself the trouble and why on earth would i not just do that and instead try harder to get myself lynched if mig's plan all along was to claim tracker and get gb lynched? seems like the worst plan in the history of ever to me + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2015 05:52 Holyflare wrote: HOW FUCKING DUMB IS THIS LOLOOLOLOLOLOL "I see a red check when i'm not red and have scum read the player all game" "let's try and convince the person i'm not scum" i'm convincing everyone else that you ARE mafia after my flip because I WANT TO DIE SO THAT I CAN ENSURE THE FAKE COP DIES LOL spread more shit you fucker lie about onegu lie about mig's "towny plays" when i'm attacking mig as mafia lie about cop checks lie about scum reads lie lie lie lie lie that's all you've done all game From everything i've seen of your play. You basically hard defended mig all day and I don't know what alignment that makes him. Mig is very very very coin flippy at the moment. I would never lynch him over myself because the moment I die you are 100% fucked. FUCKED F-U-C-K-E-D also from the way things went down gb was ab solutely a viable mislynch still at the end of n1 and the people going hardest against him were me and bugs, a bugs kill also perpetuates that situation No shit ruxx was bugs. Glad you're reading my whole post and actually care what I say and making arguments for it ^^ | ||
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On June 25 2015 20:49 ShoCkeyy wrote: I was being literal when I said business called. I was in a full day meeting which killed any time I had to actually post anything and will do the same today. This will be my last and final post until the weekend when I actually have time to read, but at this point, you guys are just terrible. If it wasn't for me day 1 lynched our DT would of been dead, the day I can't be around to help defend our DT you noobs go and lynch him. No. You put this attitude away. I asked who your second scumread WAS which you should still know. I asked the point of quoting that post which you should be fine with explaining. You do not get to be a dick to the one player trying to get mig lynched at eod when you.could have saved gb if you'd been here or even you know actually voted. Answer please while I practice.restraint and don't curse.you out for the.high and mighty attitude from someone who couldn't even be.fucked to VOTE | ||
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On June 25 2015 22:55 Holyflare wrote: I cut out all the irrelevant wifom where you assume all the mafia are tied together through one play like some kind of shitty idiot team and instead picked the really likely obvious option. You know since mafia mig changed last second to save gb to clearly spread irrelevant suspicion it's no far reach to assume the nk's were for the same reason. hey ![]() no i'm making very reasonable assumptions: 1. mig is mafia (cause he probably is and if he isn't the game's over after we lynch him, anyway, so unless someone has a good argument for why he's TOWN shut the fuck up) 2. mig did not expose himself needlessly to lynch one town over another, especially when having a TOWN holyflare out of the game by lynch has to be acceptable for pretty much any scumteam (because i don't think he's a complete fuck-up) 3. your reactions to both the original detective claim that went from LIAR!! to gb/mig practically confirmed town in an eye-blink, and then the tracker claim WHY WAIT SO LATE?! no, gb is scum scum scum anyway don't care how unrealistic this claim is 4. if you're dead-set on lynching gb, brilliant one, how is mig in danger again? that bullshit claim of his put him in more danger than just staying quiet and letting you be lynched. stop feeding me bullshit reasoning; i'm not a retard so yes, you're tied in by association and shit, unrealistic reactions to claims. if i'm wrong and mig is town it doesn't fucking matter. and frankly, you have plenty of time to convince the other more gullible townies who actually will be here the day you're being considered for lynch, so stop wasting your time on me the ruxxar reasoning has nothing to do with you. it is predicated on somehow mig KNEW who the jk saved AND the fact that it WAS the jk you know what that means? that means that ASSUMING mig is scum which again all of this is irrelevant if he's not, mig knew specifically whether the JK saved the night kill or jailed the shot deliverer. how can he know that UNLESS the scum delivering the kp was some sort of scum power role, whose action either did or didn't go through? no fucking way ruxxar is the nk with KELSIER who was obviously townie over you mr. town hero if you're really town, ritoky who was softing, or me. bugs was already out of the game and dead wrong and gonna push the shit out of gb besides if scum is playing wifom games and not getting rid of good town players they don't kill kels now, why don't you try to pretend you're town for a bit and actually consider what i'm saying about ruxx instead of just throwing shit at me every chance you get ^^ | ||
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if mig is scum he 100% knew WHICH of the two ends of the exchange (who was saved vs. who was doing the killing) was the one actually jailed. he can't possibly know that unless the one doing the killing had a secondary action that either WAS or WAS NOT interfered with so that he could narrow it down to ruxx from there it's just how realistic is a NIGHT ONE RUXXAR night kill | ||
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On June 26 2015 01:28 LightningStrike wrote: Guys I think I got a Tinfoil Hat Theory that can easily happen revolving me and HF: I might be the Unaware Miller who got Framed and HF is 100% Scum. Explanation: Because the majority of the people in the game thought I was scum Night 1 Scum if they have a Framer(Which I am assuming in this scenario for my theory) they would Frame me and hope a Cop(GB) will check and will return me as a red check. But instead GB ended up with a Green Check on me so if Mafia did Frame me then I would be a Miller and HF is 100% scum since I doubt they would put 2 Millers and a Framer plus maybe a GF in the same setup and I don't think scum would Frame HF at all since they are worse looking townies in this game that mafia could easily Frame so HF since he returned as a red check will be 100% scum because of that. pure speculation? there's like no way you can prove this ls lol >< why even say it? | ||
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On June 26 2015 03:06 LightningStrike wrote: Ugh did you realized that Bugs wasn't replaced when these actions happened? Bugs did look townie though in my eyes but he could of been pocketing me when he was around. recheck the thread i'll help you cause i'm not the sort of idiot who says these things without looking at it first approximately page 130 was the beginning of day 2 approximately page 127...FOUR HOURS EARLIER...was when ruxxar replaced bugs | ||
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even though ls had threatened to quit the game hf guessed (and, granted, the conclusion COULD be drawn from bugs' last post, but how he was so sure i don't know) that it was actually bugs who was being replaced over ls, mig, yama...could that have been innocent. yes. but that he was so sure with all these afkers and your reaction not long before, ls, is very interesting to me | ||
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mig/ruxx/hf/shockey <- post-game cred outside chance of oneg mig, ruxx, hf almost definitely scum...if i'm not here tomorrow and y'all don't lynch mig -_- well, there's not much i can do about it but you should be feeling my DISPLEASURE beating on all your heads the WHOLE TIME lol >< | ||
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the jailkeeper both protects their target from shots AND roleblocks them which means that if a shot doesn't go through scum CAN'T know if the jailkeeper SAVED their target or BLOCKED a scum member, UNLESS the scum member had a secondary action (say rolecop for the sake of this example) that also did not go through...it also could have gone through so they know that it was a save and not a block but essentially the scum member HAD to have a secondary action for mig to know who the jailkeeper targeted since he wasn't actually the tracker also that secondary role COULD NOT have been roleblocker, because it wouldn't have interfered with a scum block does that make sense? | ||
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it does mean 100% that IF ruxxar is scum he has a role like rolecop/framer/etc. that they knew didn't go through i say ruxxar is scum based on his reaction to mig's claim and the fact that i don't think he would EVER by the n1 night kill over several other players in the thread | ||
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On June 26 2015 03:23 NydusHerMain wrote: Ohhhhh so you're saying ruxxar could have had a secondary power as scum and jk role blocks so he's not out of the clear. How does that explain the missing second kp then? I don't think scum would show only 1 kp when they could knock out a towny or a roley a scum power role can both carry kp AND perform their secondary action? if it hits scum carrying kp, that is why the missing kp assuming va and mig aren't scum together ruxxar is definitely either the TARGET of scum kp or the DELIVERER | ||
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mig/ruxx/hf/shock maybe oneg remember xP oh and please don't ignore va if he's alive too much longer...i'd assume that was obvious but...eh...me assuming things are obvious leads to lynched cops over scummy tracker claims | ||
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On June 26 2015 04:47 Holyflare wrote: I think you don't understand the word logic lol, if 2 people deliver kp and one of them goes through have a guess how you know who was saved. You don't need a power role to know that's a huge leap in confirmation bias. Mafia member x shoots town bugs = save Oh noes bugs must have been saved! Your wifom is crazy. Obviously a n1 ruxxar kill is not unlikely if the jailkeeper thought he was towny enough to save and like i said, the wifom argument i posed is far more realistic. Incapable of reading english? Try again | ||
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On June 26 2015 05:11 NydusHerMain wrote: RS is saying that the reason why there was 1 kp could also be because ruxxar can deliver his own personal kp and he was roleblocked so by JK so there was 1 kp. no lol i'm saying he can deliver factional kp. a jk either saving scum's target or on the scum delivering the kp ends in the same result the conjecture about that particular scum member having a role is just that...conjecture. solid conjecture but has nothing to do with the FACT that if va jk'd ruxxar and there was no kill, that ruxxar can be the TARGET or the DELIVERER hf knows this he's playing dumb for god knows what purpose | ||
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4 hours is plenty of time to notice a replacement unless the ENTIRE MAFIA TEAM is afk for that time regardless, you know my opinion and no amount of hf saying that "the most likely scenario" is scum shot RUXXAR is going to make me think it's any more likely and no you aren't reading i said mig can't KNOW whether or not the TARGET of the kill was protected or the one CARRYING OUT the kill was blocked, UNLESS there was some other indicator (a second action) that either was or wasn't blocked. it means lovely with your reading comprehension problem trying to poke holes in something where there are none, that most likely the scum that delivered the kp was a role like rolecop | ||
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On June 26 2015 06:16 Holyflare wrote: Holy fucking shit you are actually retarded. Shit afk mafia team mate delivers kp to wherebugsgo. Wherebugsgo does not die. Shit mafia team mate is never in a million years getting jailkeepered. Case fucking closed. You can cry about my comprehension being shit all you want but the simple fact is you think that mafia got their towniest player to deliver the kp and risk getting rb'd which doesn't make a single bit of sense. ^^ lol and you are a fucking imbecile if you think that ruxxar is the mafia team's TOWNIEST player you keep ignoring the fact that bugs was no longer in the game you keep ignoring the fact that scum didn't know there was a jk in the game you keep ignoring the fact that shooting bugs ANYWAY when the two of you are hard-tunneling gb cause of your god-damned CONFIRMATION BIAS is not as likely as you seem to think it is towniest player my ass he was being scumread by at least a few of us AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RUXXAR | ||
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On June 26 2015 06:24 Holyflare wrote: You also keep throwing shit at ruxxar like he wasn't towny when he had posted once in the thread RIGHT BEFORE THE NIGHT DEADLINE. You keep saying shit like ruxxar was scum read and he isn't towny but totally ignore bugs. Bugs is who you should focus on. Nobody else. Ruxxar made no posts. lol nope not gonna focus on bugs like an entire scumteam was afk 4 hours leading up to the day post it's okay, scum. keep yelling nonsense ![]() | ||
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On June 26 2015 06:28 Holyflare wrote: If the team is onegu/mig/damdred/shockey/ruxxar(bugs)/nydus Who is their towniest player n1 likely to get saved? Please you actually don't think anything you write through and then just fling shit back at people that don't see it your wrong way. VA is jk he thought bugs was the person to save therefore bugs was towny. End of discussion. None of this makes any sense anyway because i don't think ruxxar is mafia and I'm not mafia and you keep making teams with both of us in it. So, shape up and find a better, correct team. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | ||
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On June 26 2015 06:28 Holyflare wrote: How does it matter if the scum team were there if ruxxar had 0 posts. Stop skirting around the actual issue. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz | ||
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i'll be rooting for my town bros ^^ | ||
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On July 04 2015 08:13 wherebugsgo wrote: sorry to those who didn't know why I was abruptly replaced, I had a family emergency. I wish I could have kept playing. Everything is good now though. glad to hear it turned out alright! also way more glad than you realize that you were scum >< lol you had me very very puzzled if you were actually town this game xP | ||
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;o; i'm sorry damdy next time i'll do better! like give you the entire scumteam and tell you to carry for me or something xP | ||
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On July 04 2015 09:49 Breshke wrote: Ahh i think my downplaying of the fight between rsoul and bugs was not very good for town. no worries bresh lol i'm not a paranoid person i was actually very surprised to see in the mafia qt that bugs' tunnels were deliberate and meant to discredit lol >< i just thought they were super weird choices but didn't think beyond that | ||
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On July 04 2015 09:59 Breshke wrote: I feel like if you two were town you would have thought anyway though but it was still bad. Especially after ritoky asked me for my read on you two and i couldn't explain it AT ALL mmm we do seem to think differently but i don't know how often i actually clash to that extent with strong town players? like legitimately most of the strong town players i play with, we can get along just fine -shrugs- no way to know for sure with bugs though since i haven't seen his town play | ||
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On July 04 2015 11:01 Blazinghand wrote: I don't see any falsehoods in that quote...? I don't know who wrote that, but whoever they were was probably pretty skilled. Pretty good-looking, actually. I bet he's smart, handsome, and in general excellent. Probably a fast typist, and a good mafia player. I bet he makes decent money, too, and has to fend off the ladies with a stick. Just a thought. That guy is pretty cool and/or sexy, whoever he is. lol that big back bh that big back | ||
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But frankly gb was being tunneled by hf AND bugs pretty much from the start of the game. That's a lot of pressure to counter and I feel like ppl are completely disregarding that when getting on his case. It's difficult to hold up under that kind of pressure from players who have big reputations and a lot of potential to lead town because you know you have to get them off you or you're very likely to be lynched. | ||
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i dislike it when people call him a bad player; i think he has a hard time explaining where his reads are coming from and i can relate to that on some level, especially since our reads have a tendency to align weirdly lol >< i can also very much relate to getting really irritated with a bunch of nonsense scumreads from "thread leaders" who don't know what they're talking about (and it's surprising how often they're scum when this happens, at least in my case xP) but yeah he doesn't make it easier for himself with plays like the one with the "scumread" on ls and the "redcheck" on me to get reactions...cause that just makes it look like he's plucking things from the air and then backpedaling when he gets heat from it and claiming it was just a gag or whatever | ||
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
you're 100% right though that in his case, a few small changes to how he plays the game would make a huge difference | ||
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
gb is usually not that lurker-focused as town. he's fearless ^^ i like that about him. this "leave so-and-so alive cause they're an amazing town player doesn't matter how scummy they look i'm not even going to consider what you're saying" thing that players like to do with you, marv and even me to a lesser extent is kinda ridiculous not sure why everyone's so afraid of scumreading you guys | ||
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
come play voice mafia with us on ts ^^ the gang's all here! | ||
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