Mafia under the blue moon. An epic tale of forbidden love, starring the cast of Full House and an ample supply of fanfiction to draw from. Mafia around the equator. Dolph Lundgren is cast as Charles Lindberg where the airplane has guns (like a proper airplane should). Mafia with VayneAuthority and Chezinu (where VayneAuthority channels Chezinu and Chezinu channels VayneAuthority, Caller is host). All followed by a series finale (properly titled Jolio and Rumliet) in which Alakaslam hosts and his flavor text is bound to be revered as the modern day Shakespeare.
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o
On June 17 2015 07:16 NydusHerMain wrote: @lightning I know he claims it as either alignment but he was town last game I was in it with him and I knew he was town since I was scum and it just feels awkward this time. Super forced
Doesn't seemed forced to me what part of it seems forced to you and why?
On June 17 2015 07:19 NydusHerMain wrote: "My fucking vt claim"
Just feels like really awkward phrasing. Doesn't feel genuine, kinda like he's missing a couple of words.
Ya it might be really bad phrasing but idk what few words he could of used there tbh.
"here is .... My fucking vt claim"
I actually think Nydus has a good point
he could have edited his post. the claim LS posted was grammatically correct and that start doesn't make lots of sense
Hmm maybe you're right there but I don't really think highly of him honestly but if he scum it wont just be because of his entrance but rather out stuff.
On June 17 2015 07:19 NydusHerMain wrote: "My fucking vt claim"
Just feels like really awkward phrasing. Doesn't feel genuine, kinda like he's missing a couple of words.
Ya it might be really bad phrasing but idk what few words he could of used there tbh.
"here is .... My fucking vt claim"
I actually think Nydus has a good point
he could have edited his post. the claim LS posted was grammatically correct and that start doesn't make lots of sense
Hmm maybe you're right there but I don't really think highly of him honestly but if he scum it wont just be because of his entrance but rather other stuff.
On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote: Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o
derp.
I know I might of just got flack for it II was just saying I could of easly made my entrance as scum but I not scum since I had read my role pm and didn't lose motivation this time will you work with me to figure the scum team?
On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote: Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o
derp.
LightningStrike already giving himself away again?...
I not scum this game I promise you that. What you think of Onegu's entrance and our responses to it?
On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote: Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o
derp.
LOL
good old LightningStrike
he used :o already but I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this time to not get caught by me. Take this as your warning, you know that I know your meta. You better help me out this game or I hope for your sake that you are scum, cause you'll be dead before you know it.
anyway, come out and play, Mig. You better not have rolled scum this game or I'll be disappointed I have no one good to talk to
##vote Mig
I know you know my meta and willing to work with you this time since I town and hope that you are town too Any thoughts on Onegu's entrance and our responses to it?
On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote: Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o
derp.
LOL
good old LightningStrike
he used :o already but I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this time to not get caught by me. Take this as your warning, you know that I know your meta. You better help me out this game or I hope for your sake that you are scum, cause you'll be dead before you know it.
anyway, come out and play, Mig. You better not have rolled scum this game or I'll be disappointed I have no one good to talk to
##vote Mig
lol that has to be the most fabricated, weak shit i've ever seen.
Actually he does know my meta and in fact he made a meta case on me in Witchcraft III when I rolled scum and here was the case:
On June 09 2015 05:35 wherebugsgo wrote: ##vote LightningStrike
I think Lightning is like 95% scum.
At first in my notes I had Lightning as having a scummy entrance, focusing a lot on asking people questions but using a tone and posting style that is very non-confrontational. This causes LS's posts to come off as forced and I find it hard to piece together his logic if he were town. e.g. this post:
On June 08 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote: So Breshke any thoughts on Wherebugsgo right now?
not really. Do you?
On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote: Hi
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote: Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf. @Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?
Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.
refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!
identity is a large part of mafia.
So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then?
I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town.
Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory.
It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour.
You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing.
Yeah I understand this but that doesn't make not revealing who you are to be alignment indicative. If someone has chosen to smurf they have chosen pre game that they probably don't want to reveal who they are. I feel like saying, reveal yourself or get lynched, is a waste because it depends on the player on how they will act so you can't really get much from that.
Also to talk about this now instead of when mafia will be trying to hunt roles. I think it is best in at least the first phase that a lot of the chosen powers are information type roles specifically scrying
I kinda dislike his pressure on FreezingFoot since FreezingFoot could be a smurf and him calling him out so early just seems like it's a preplanned motion from him regardless of his alignment so null.
Notice the qualifications I've bolded here.
He doesn't like it, but goes back and says oh I guess it could be preplanned. So it's null. Null is not a read.
On June 08 2015 09:02 LightningStrike wrote: Well guys I going to get some dinner and when I come back I will check everything that goes on after this post!
Townies don't generally do this so freaking often. You don't need to announce to everyone that you're going to do your job as a townie, unless you are very new or scum.
TL Mafia database has a LOT of games for LS. So he is NOT a new player. This instantly made me more suspicious, but I wanted to see if as town LS was more confident and helpful. Turns out, LS is one of those players I would say has a very clear cut difference between town and mafia. I would suggest you all to skim over some of LS's past games, but in particular the ones that stand out are:
LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and I finding Geript pretty townie this game but than again I never played vs his Mafia yet but so far I feel he's pushing and asking a ton of questions is pretty much him being town. Slam is thinking logically so far although I hate how he suggested a RNG shot Blazinghand style but he been pushing out ideas and not being boring like he was in Slytherin and Student IV when he was Mafia so I giving him a town read by meta. HTS looks really shakey and starting to look a tiny bit like her Void and Newbie LX Mafia games so possible Mafia by meta. rsoultin I love you and all but I need some extra time on you from the fact that I just coming off of 2 games of you being Mafia and might get some paranoia which I might have still on HTS because I not completely forgiven her for lynching me in Newbie LX. But you being very cheerful so far but idk if that is alignment indicative. Tubesock I hated the No Shoot idea but the logic behind it seems townie but I have yet to see him play as Mafia. Breshke is asking some questions and also reconsider his own thoughts and looks townie. Damdred you need to bleed town this game to me because the last time I played with you in Titanic you were Mafia yet you looked so townie in my eyes I just couldn't really play right Your Mom and Sepulchre are both smurfs and idk their other ids but I finding Sepulchre pretty townie on his large post and asking questions with some good explanations for why he thought of stuff like HTS making them intentionally bad or bait and his thing on OBS but I remember OBS having bad Day 1s as town so I would give OBS some extra time to see if he bleeds town. Your Mom haven't posted much either and got Null on him simply because he got very short questions and posts so far so I might need more posts from him to see where he lies for now.
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LightningStrike wrote: Town: Eden: Played with before when he was Mafia and Town but we he seems to be town this game. Geript: Toneread says town he seems to ask some good questions. Snickers: Being extremely serious and giving his thoughts freely it kind of reminds me of a more serious me. Oatsmaster: Trying to get discussions going with pms and stuff but also he just being himself as town this game. Liancourt: He seems interested this game which is a good sign for him being town although I never him play as Mafia before. Null: Koshi: 1 post from him this game and it isn't really alignment indicative. sicklucker: I can't read him anymore on Day 1 after playing with him when he was Mafia and I was town. Also his Day 1 is bad. VisceraEyes: 1 post and wasn't alignment indicative need more posts from him.
LightningStrike wrote: I don't disagree for now on the Eden read. Rsoultin just seems to happy to be Mafia given she played as Mafia twice in a row into Town with me lol. I'm sorry I was Mafia in that game Damdred it just hurt when you called me Mafia but Geript carried me till he died and did a hilarious bus on Sandroba when sicklucker got lynched lol........
LightningStrike wrote: I agree with you on kita Rayn considering a lot has happened since his last post and not really commenting anything relevant except for the shot ideas. Also I remember Toad being mostly carefree early in Hammertime when I was a Cohost when he was Town and he coming across the same way so I incline to think he's town. Rayn you know how to read Sicklucker from my past experience with you and him together any thoughts on Sicklucker so far?
LightningStrike wrote: Sorry I was playing LoL game and HF's case on JAT is legit now that we seen HF flip Town and he made many good points on JAT and honestly the bully behavior that JAT displayed this game when people were voting is consistent with his behavior in Void mafia where he bullied people off him in the entire game as scum. Here's his filter from that game although he just was smurfing in that game that is why the name might be off His scum game in Void: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475749-the-void-mafia?user=Wile E. Coyote
LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and sicklucker is fighting Breshke instead of the other cell mates o.o Also Geript being mad at Kita too and Tube fighting Geript this is interesting stuff going on here and personally I never played in a Cell Setup before so this interesting. Also Geript claimed he got Vig powers and claimed to had shot Sep but yet Sep survived so most likely Ninja in Sep if what Geript was saying is true. I will admit I guarded the Button since we don't know what the button does I thought it was safe play since it kind of like the presents in Carol where we gotten random Presents 1 from a Mass Murderer when unwraped instant kill the person 1 with a Cop power for the Night and 1 with a Vig Shot for the Night and since it prob pure rng what we get I really don't want to give Mafia extra powers or extra powers for ninjas either and weighed it in myself and decided to guard the button.
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LightningStrike wrote: Sorry for not posting much and a update on reading Sandro's past games and will come up with stuff for tomorrow and sicklucker paranoia went through my head sorry and now seeing some light that you are more likely town than Mafia. Tomorrow I will present my findings on Sandro's past games as both alignments and present everything I have on him.
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LightningStrike wrote: I was just wating for more posts to get some better reads that why I haven't posted much because there was really much for me to ready. I still waiting for alakaslam, Dicksmash McIroncock, and Meatpudding to post. My reads are atm the following Town: Oatsmaster, sicklucker, Damdred, kushm4sta, Trfel Null: Half the Sky, Breshke, Alakaslam Scum: Dicksmash McIroncock, Meatpudding. Dicksmash didn't post anything after his first post for the day and Meatpudding is either trolling us with the stuff he posted earlier or he scum but time will tell. Alakaslam at least gave a good explanation for his posts. Breshke gave a explanation on why he voted for sicklucker Half the Sky made some decent posts but it reads null in my eyes but I still kind of new to TL Mafia (2nd game in TL mafia).
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LightningStrike wrote: Guys fyi I wont be here from about 11:45 am to at least 4:30 pm CST and I still think Sandroba is Mafia based on meta and Oats I getting him as Town as he playing like he did in Office, Void, and New Years Eve Party where he was a little lazy but he seemed a little motivated now to play the game although I wished he had played on Day 1 but he's here now.
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On March 08 2015 22:39 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up and will answer your question. Tubesock I thinking some resemblances of her last game in Titanic now and Day 1 I had paranoia because before Titanic when I played her she was Mafia and rolled Mafia in another game too. The reason I seeing some resemblances from this game to Titanic because in that game she also was confused on setup stuff esp on the fact we had 2 Jail Keepers ( Nigella in Carol) and she having some confusions this game on setup stuff too. So a slight Town meta read on her.
Onegu since you confirmed town by the Cop Check I will do as you ask just promise me you shoot Geript okay?
HTS Happy Birthday Girl I assuming you going to party for a bit ##Unvote ##Vote: Onegu
LS's scum play is very very non confrontational and he generally gets away pretty well with just asking questions and making excuses for not having strong opinions or posting much. Tends to be very self-conscious in the thread when he rolls scum, which makes it very easy to recognize him
On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote: Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o
derp.
LOL
good old LightningStrike
he used :o already but I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this time to not get caught by me. Take this as your warning, you know that I know your meta. You better help me out this game or I hope for your sake that you are scum, cause you'll be dead before you know it.
anyway, come out and play, Mig. You better not have rolled scum this game or I'll be disappointed I have no one good to talk to
##vote Mig
I know you know my meta and willing to work with you this time since I town and hope that you are town too Any thoughts on Onegu's entrance and our responses to it?
I haven't read anything yet but given how Onegu normally plays I bet it's probably impossible to tell what he is
does anyone know if Nydus is a smurf? I see that almost all of his posts are in the mafia forum but the account is actually pretty old
Nydus isn't a smurf as I know seeing how he played some games just recently.
On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote: Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o
derp.
LightningStrike already giving himself away again?...
I not scum this game I promise you that. What you think of Onegu's entrance and our responses to it?
On June 17 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote: My fucking VT claim. I really think HtS RNG machine is broken... Have rolled VT in everyone of her games...
Sorry that VT claim wont fly you already cashed in on that in XXX so nice try you must prove to us that you are town other than a VT claim :o
Only thing I would add is the fact that he probably is VT this game. Last game rolled town while you were scum and the game I played with him before that, he had a fake blue claim in his posts (bbcode), haven't seen him actually claim VT once yet. But I could only take the claim with a grain of sand atm.
Onegu used to claim it all the time as town until he cashed it in in XXX true story yo :o
On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote: Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o
derp.
LOL
good old LightningStrike
he used :o already but I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this time to not get caught by me. Take this as your warning, you know that I know your meta. You better help me out this game or I hope for your sake that you are scum, cause you'll be dead before you know it.
anyway, come out and play, Mig. You better not have rolled scum this game or I'll be disappointed I have no one good to talk to
##vote Mig
I know you know my meta and willing to work with you this time since I town and hope that you are town too Any thoughts on Onegu's entrance and our responses to it?
I haven't read anything yet but given how Onegu normally plays I bet it's probably impossible to tell what he is
does anyone know if Nydus is a smurf? I see that almost all of his posts are in the mafia forum but the account is actually pretty old
Nydus isn't a smurf as I know seeing how he played some games just recently.
on a scale of 1 to 10 how bad would you rate Nydus
Well he had I felt a 5 out of 10 in his recent game as scum he biggest issue was he wasn't posting much stuff like he should of as scum and his last game before that though was in June 2014 in a newbie game where he also didn't opst much he posted more the time he was there (4 Page filter both games his last town was lynched Day 2 the other was lynched Day 4 as scum) so if posted about 4 pages by Day 2 he more likely town on filter length alone I feel as his last town game seemed like 5 as he got lynched but his content seemed okay.
On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote: Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o
derp.
LOL
good old LightningStrike
he used :o already but I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this time to not get caught by me. Take this as your warning, you know that I know your meta. You better help me out this game or I hope for your sake that you are scum, cause you'll be dead before you know it.
anyway, come out and play, Mig. You better not have rolled scum this game or I'll be disappointed I have no one good to talk to
##vote Mig
lol that has to be the most fabricated, weak shit i've ever seen.
Actually he does know my meta and in fact he made a meta case on me in Witchcraft III when I rolled scum and here was the case:
On June 09 2015 05:35 wherebugsgo wrote: ##vote LightningStrike
I think Lightning is like 95% scum.
At first in my notes I had Lightning as having a scummy entrance, focusing a lot on asking people questions but using a tone and posting style that is very non-confrontational. This causes LS's posts to come off as forced and I find it hard to piece together his logic if he were town. e.g. this post:
On June 08 2015 08:49 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:44 Breshke wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote: So Breshke any thoughts on Wherebugsgo right now?
not really. Do you?
On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote: Hi
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote: Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf. @Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?
Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.
refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!
identity is a large part of mafia.
So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then?
I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town.
Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory.
It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour.
You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing.
Yeah I understand this but that doesn't make not revealing who you are to be alignment indicative. If someone has chosen to smurf they have chosen pre game that they probably don't want to reveal who they are. I feel like saying, reveal yourself or get lynched, is a waste because it depends on the player on how they will act so you can't really get much from that.
Also to talk about this now instead of when mafia will be trying to hunt roles. I think it is best in at least the first phase that a lot of the chosen powers are information type roles specifically scrying
I kinda dislike his pressure on FreezingFoot since FreezingFoot could be a smurf and him calling him out so early just seems like it's a preplanned motion from him regardless of his alignment so null.
Notice the qualifications I've bolded here.
He doesn't like it, but goes back and says oh I guess it could be preplanned. So it's null. Null is not a read.
There's also this that follows:
On June 08 2015 08:50 LightningStrike wrote: Also sure it would be nice knowing FreezingFoot's aka but it's not as important as finding scum.
Notice LS says it's not as important as finding scum but LS doesn't actually ever attempt to find scum.
Half of LS's posts focus on "hey I'll be back later" and are also seemingly very self-aware. e.g:
On June 08 2015 09:02 LightningStrike wrote: Well guys I going to get some dinner and when I come back I will check everything that goes on after this post!
Townies don't generally do this so freaking often. You don't need to announce to everyone that you're going to do your job as a townie, unless you are very new or scum.
TL Mafia database has a LOT of games for LS. So he is NOT a new player. This instantly made me more suspicious, but I wanted to see if as town LS was more confident and helpful. Turns out, LS is one of those players I would say has a very clear cut difference between town and mafia. I would suggest you all to skim over some of LS's past games, but in particular the ones that stand out are:
LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and I finding Geript pretty townie this game but than again I never played vs his Mafia yet but so far I feel he's pushing and asking a ton of questions is pretty much him being town. Slam is thinking logically so far although I hate how he suggested a RNG shot Blazinghand style but he been pushing out ideas and not being boring like he was in Slytherin and Student IV when he was Mafia so I giving him a town read by meta. HTS looks really shakey and starting to look a tiny bit like her Void and Newbie LX Mafia games so possible Mafia by meta. rsoultin I love you and all but I need some extra time on you from the fact that I just coming off of 2 games of you being Mafia and might get some paranoia which I might have still on HTS because I not completely forgiven her for lynching me in Newbie LX. But you being very cheerful so far but idk if that is alignment indicative. Tubesock I hated the No Shoot idea but the logic behind it seems townie but I have yet to see him play as Mafia. Breshke is asking some questions and also reconsider his own thoughts and looks townie. Damdred you need to bleed town this game to me because the last time I played with you in Titanic you were Mafia yet you looked so townie in my eyes I just couldn't really play right Your Mom and Sepulchre are both smurfs and idk their other ids but I finding Sepulchre pretty townie on his large post and asking questions with some good explanations for why he thought of stuff like HTS making them intentionally bad or bait and his thing on OBS but I remember OBS having bad Day 1s as town so I would give OBS some extra time to see if he bleeds town. Your Mom haven't posted much either and got Null on him simply because he got very short questions and posts so far so I might need more posts from him to see where he lies for now.
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LightningStrike wrote: Town: Eden: Played with before when he was Mafia and Town but we he seems to be town this game. Geript: Toneread says town he seems to ask some good questions. Snickers: Being extremely serious and giving his thoughts freely it kind of reminds me of a more serious me. Oatsmaster: Trying to get discussions going with pms and stuff but also he just being himself as town this game. Liancourt: He seems interested this game which is a good sign for him being town although I never him play as Mafia before. Null: Koshi: 1 post from him this game and it isn't really alignment indicative. sicklucker: I can't read him anymore on Day 1 after playing with him when he was Mafia and I was town. Also his Day 1 is bad. VisceraEyes: 1 post and wasn't alignment indicative need more posts from him.
LightningStrike wrote: I don't disagree for now on the Eden read. Rsoultin just seems to happy to be Mafia given she played as Mafia twice in a row into Town with me lol. I'm sorry I was Mafia in that game Damdred it just hurt when you called me Mafia but Geript carried me till he died and did a hilarious bus on Sandroba when sicklucker got lynched lol........
LightningStrike wrote: I agree with you on kita Rayn considering a lot has happened since his last post and not really commenting anything relevant except for the shot ideas. Also I remember Toad being mostly carefree early in Hammertime when I was a Cohost when he was Town and he coming across the same way so I incline to think he's town. Rayn you know how to read Sicklucker from my past experience with you and him together any thoughts on Sicklucker so far?
LightningStrike wrote: Sorry I was playing LoL game and HF's case on JAT is legit now that we seen HF flip Town and he made many good points on JAT and honestly the bully behavior that JAT displayed this game when people were voting is consistent with his behavior in Void mafia where he bullied people off him in the entire game as scum. Here's his filter from that game although he just was smurfing in that game that is why the name might be off His scum game in Void: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475749-the-void-mafia?user=Wile E. Coyote
LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and sicklucker is fighting Breshke instead of the other cell mates o.o Also Geript being mad at Kita too and Tube fighting Geript this is interesting stuff going on here and personally I never played in a Cell Setup before so this interesting. Also Geript claimed he got Vig powers and claimed to had shot Sep but yet Sep survived so most likely Ninja in Sep if what Geript was saying is true. I will admit I guarded the Button since we don't know what the button does I thought it was safe play since it kind of like the presents in Carol where we gotten random Presents 1 from a Mass Murderer when unwraped instant kill the person 1 with a Cop power for the Night and 1 with a Vig Shot for the Night and since it prob pure rng what we get I really don't want to give Mafia extra powers or extra powers for ninjas either and weighed it in myself and decided to guard the button.
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LightningStrike wrote: Sorry for not posting much and a update on reading Sandro's past games and will come up with stuff for tomorrow and sicklucker paranoia went through my head sorry and now seeing some light that you are more likely town than Mafia. Tomorrow I will present my findings on Sandro's past games as both alignments and present everything I have on him.
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LightningStrike wrote: I was just wating for more posts to get some better reads that why I haven't posted much because there was really much for me to ready. I still waiting for alakaslam, Dicksmash McIroncock, and Meatpudding to post. My reads are atm the following Town: Oatsmaster, sicklucker, Damdred, kushm4sta, Trfel Null: Half the Sky, Breshke, Alakaslam Scum: Dicksmash McIroncock, Meatpudding. Dicksmash didn't post anything after his first post for the day and Meatpudding is either trolling us with the stuff he posted earlier or he scum but time will tell. Alakaslam at least gave a good explanation for his posts. Breshke gave a explanation on why he voted for sicklucker Half the Sky made some decent posts but it reads null in my eyes but I still kind of new to TL Mafia (2nd game in TL mafia).
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LightningStrike wrote: Guys fyi I wont be here from about 11:45 am to at least 4:30 pm CST and I still think Sandroba is Mafia based on meta and Oats I getting him as Town as he playing like he did in Office, Void, and New Years Eve Party where he was a little lazy but he seemed a little motivated now to play the game although I wished he had played on Day 1 but he's here now.
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On March 08 2015 22:39 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up and will answer your question. Tubesock I thinking some resemblances of her last game in Titanic now and Day 1 I had paranoia because before Titanic when I played her she was Mafia and rolled Mafia in another game too. The reason I seeing some resemblances from this game to Titanic because in that game she also was confused on setup stuff esp on the fact we had 2 Jail Keepers ( Nigella in Carol) and she having some confusions this game on setup stuff too. So a slight Town meta read on her.
Onegu since you confirmed town by the Cop Check I will do as you ask just promise me you shoot Geript okay?
HTS Happy Birthday Girl I assuming you going to party for a bit ##Unvote ##Vote: Onegu
LS's scum play is very very non confrontational and he generally gets away pretty well with just asking questions and making excuses for not having strong opinions or posting much. Tends to be very self-conscious in the thread when he rolls scum, which makes it very easy to recognize him
He knows me inside and out :o
But now you're self aware of it and it can't be used anymore
I was just making a point to KSC as to why I didn't think it was fabricated stuff from bugs that's all.
On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote: Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o
derp.
LOL
good old LightningStrike
he used :o already but I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this time to not get caught by me. Take this as your warning, you know that I know your meta. You better help me out this game or I hope for your sake that you are scum, cause you'll be dead before you know it.
anyway, come out and play, Mig. You better not have rolled scum this game or I'll be disappointed I have no one good to talk to
##vote Mig
lol that has to be the most fabricated, weak shit i've ever seen.
Actually he does know my meta and in fact he made a meta case on me in Witchcraft III when I rolled scum and here was the case:
On June 09 2015 05:35 wherebugsgo wrote: ##vote LightningStrike
I think Lightning is like 95% scum.
At first in my notes I had Lightning as having a scummy entrance, focusing a lot on asking people questions but using a tone and posting style that is very non-confrontational. This causes LS's posts to come off as forced and I find it hard to piece together his logic if he were town. e.g. this post:
On June 08 2015 08:49 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:44 Breshke wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote: So Breshke any thoughts on Wherebugsgo right now?
not really. Do you?
On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote: Hi
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote: [quote]
refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!
identity is a large part of mafia.
So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then?
I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town.
Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory.
It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour.
You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing.
Yeah I understand this but that doesn't make not revealing who you are to be alignment indicative. If someone has chosen to smurf they have chosen pre game that they probably don't want to reveal who they are. I feel like saying, reveal yourself or get lynched, is a waste because it depends on the player on how they will act so you can't really get much from that.
Also to talk about this now instead of when mafia will be trying to hunt roles. I think it is best in at least the first phase that a lot of the chosen powers are information type roles specifically scrying
I kinda dislike his pressure on FreezingFoot since FreezingFoot could be a smurf and him calling him out so early just seems like it's a preplanned motion from him regardless of his alignment so null.
Notice the qualifications I've bolded here.
He doesn't like it, but goes back and says oh I guess it could be preplanned. So it's null. Null is not a read.
There's also this that follows:
On June 08 2015 08:50 LightningStrike wrote: Also sure it would be nice knowing FreezingFoot's aka but it's not as important as finding scum.
Notice LS says it's not as important as finding scum but LS doesn't actually ever attempt to find scum.
Half of LS's posts focus on "hey I'll be back later" and are also seemingly very self-aware. e.g:
On June 08 2015 09:02 LightningStrike wrote: Well guys I going to get some dinner and when I come back I will check everything that goes on after this post!
Townies don't generally do this so freaking often. You don't need to announce to everyone that you're going to do your job as a townie, unless you are very new or scum.
TL Mafia database has a LOT of games for LS. So he is NOT a new player. This instantly made me more suspicious, but I wanted to see if as town LS was more confident and helpful. Turns out, LS is one of those players I would say has a very clear cut difference between town and mafia. I would suggest you all to skim over some of LS's past games, but in particular the ones that stand out are:
LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and I finding Geript pretty townie this game but than again I never played vs his Mafia yet but so far I feel he's pushing and asking a ton of questions is pretty much him being town. Slam is thinking logically so far although I hate how he suggested a RNG shot Blazinghand style but he been pushing out ideas and not being boring like he was in Slytherin and Student IV when he was Mafia so I giving him a town read by meta. HTS looks really shakey and starting to look a tiny bit like her Void and Newbie LX Mafia games so possible Mafia by meta. rsoultin I love you and all but I need some extra time on you from the fact that I just coming off of 2 games of you being Mafia and might get some paranoia which I might have still on HTS because I not completely forgiven her for lynching me in Newbie LX. But you being very cheerful so far but idk if that is alignment indicative. Tubesock I hated the No Shoot idea but the logic behind it seems townie but I have yet to see him play as Mafia. Breshke is asking some questions and also reconsider his own thoughts and looks townie. Damdred you need to bleed town this game to me because the last time I played with you in Titanic you were Mafia yet you looked so townie in my eyes I just couldn't really play right Your Mom and Sepulchre are both smurfs and idk their other ids but I finding Sepulchre pretty townie on his large post and asking questions with some good explanations for why he thought of stuff like HTS making them intentionally bad or bait and his thing on OBS but I remember OBS having bad Day 1s as town so I would give OBS some extra time to see if he bleeds town. Your Mom haven't posted much either and got Null on him simply because he got very short questions and posts so far so I might need more posts from him to see where he lies for now.
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LightningStrike wrote: Town: Eden: Played with before when he was Mafia and Town but we he seems to be town this game. Geript: Toneread says town he seems to ask some good questions. Snickers: Being extremely serious and giving his thoughts freely it kind of reminds me of a more serious me. Oatsmaster: Trying to get discussions going with pms and stuff but also he just being himself as town this game. Liancourt: He seems interested this game which is a good sign for him being town although I never him play as Mafia before. Null: Koshi: 1 post from him this game and it isn't really alignment indicative. sicklucker: I can't read him anymore on Day 1 after playing with him when he was Mafia and I was town. Also his Day 1 is bad. VisceraEyes: 1 post and wasn't alignment indicative need more posts from him.
LightningStrike wrote: I don't disagree for now on the Eden read. Rsoultin just seems to happy to be Mafia given she played as Mafia twice in a row into Town with me lol. I'm sorry I was Mafia in that game Damdred it just hurt when you called me Mafia but Geript carried me till he died and did a hilarious bus on Sandroba when sicklucker got lynched lol........
LightningStrike wrote: I agree with you on kita Rayn considering a lot has happened since his last post and not really commenting anything relevant except for the shot ideas. Also I remember Toad being mostly carefree early in Hammertime when I was a Cohost when he was Town and he coming across the same way so I incline to think he's town. Rayn you know how to read Sicklucker from my past experience with you and him together any thoughts on Sicklucker so far?
LightningStrike wrote: Sorry I was playing LoL game and HF's case on JAT is legit now that we seen HF flip Town and he made many good points on JAT and honestly the bully behavior that JAT displayed this game when people were voting is consistent with his behavior in Void mafia where he bullied people off him in the entire game as scum. Here's his filter from that game although he just was smurfing in that game that is why the name might be off His scum game in Void: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475749-the-void-mafia?user=Wile E. Coyote
LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and sicklucker is fighting Breshke instead of the other cell mates o.o Also Geript being mad at Kita too and Tube fighting Geript this is interesting stuff going on here and personally I never played in a Cell Setup before so this interesting. Also Geript claimed he got Vig powers and claimed to had shot Sep but yet Sep survived so most likely Ninja in Sep if what Geript was saying is true. I will admit I guarded the Button since we don't know what the button does I thought it was safe play since it kind of like the presents in Carol where we gotten random Presents 1 from a Mass Murderer when unwraped instant kill the person 1 with a Cop power for the Night and 1 with a Vig Shot for the Night and since it prob pure rng what we get I really don't want to give Mafia extra powers or extra powers for ninjas either and weighed it in myself and decided to guard the button.
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LightningStrike wrote: Sorry for not posting much and a update on reading Sandro's past games and will come up with stuff for tomorrow and sicklucker paranoia went through my head sorry and now seeing some light that you are more likely town than Mafia. Tomorrow I will present my findings on Sandro's past games as both alignments and present everything I have on him.
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LightningStrike wrote: I was just wating for more posts to get some better reads that why I haven't posted much because there was really much for me to ready. I still waiting for alakaslam, Dicksmash McIroncock, and Meatpudding to post. My reads are atm the following Town: Oatsmaster, sicklucker, Damdred, kushm4sta, Trfel Null: Half the Sky, Breshke, Alakaslam Scum: Dicksmash McIroncock, Meatpudding. Dicksmash didn't post anything after his first post for the day and Meatpudding is either trolling us with the stuff he posted earlier or he scum but time will tell. Alakaslam at least gave a good explanation for his posts. Breshke gave a explanation on why he voted for sicklucker Half the Sky made some decent posts but it reads null in my eyes but I still kind of new to TL Mafia (2nd game in TL mafia).
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LightningStrike wrote: Guys fyi I wont be here from about 11:45 am to at least 4:30 pm CST and I still think Sandroba is Mafia based on meta and Oats I getting him as Town as he playing like he did in Office, Void, and New Years Eve Party where he was a little lazy but he seemed a little motivated now to play the game although I wished he had played on Day 1 but he's here now.
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On March 08 2015 22:39 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up and will answer your question. Tubesock I thinking some resemblances of her last game in Titanic now and Day 1 I had paranoia because before Titanic when I played her she was Mafia and rolled Mafia in another game too. The reason I seeing some resemblances from this game to Titanic because in that game she also was confused on setup stuff esp on the fact we had 2 Jail Keepers ( Nigella in Carol) and she having some confusions this game on setup stuff too. So a slight Town meta read on her.
Onegu since you confirmed town by the Cop Check I will do as you ask just promise me you shoot Geript okay?
HTS Happy Birthday Girl I assuming you going to party for a bit ##Unvote ##Vote: Onegu
LS's scum play is very very non confrontational and he generally gets away pretty well with just asking questions and making excuses for not having strong opinions or posting much. Tends to be very self-conscious in the thread when he rolls scum, which makes it very easy to recognize him
He knows me inside and out :o
But now you're self aware of it and it can't be used anymore
I was just making a point to KSC as to why I didn't think it was fabricated stuff from bugs that's all.
I see that he made a good case on you in a previous game. that wasn't what was fabricated. The content of the post i quoted was weak and fabricated. my mafia sensor went red alert.
Is the vote on Mig by him that making it go red alert or are you sure it's not yellow alert?
On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] Really anyone can just claim town you know -_-
On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote: Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o
derp.
LOL
good old LightningStrike
he used :o already but I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this time to not get caught by me. Take this as your warning, you know that I know your meta. You better help me out this game or I hope for your sake that you are scum, cause you'll be dead before you know it.
anyway, come out and play, Mig. You better not have rolled scum this game or I'll be disappointed I have no one good to talk to
##vote Mig
lol that has to be the most fabricated, weak shit i've ever seen.
Actually he does know my meta and in fact he made a meta case on me in Witchcraft III when I rolled scum and here was the case:
On June 09 2015 05:35 wherebugsgo wrote: ##vote LightningStrike
I think Lightning is like 95% scum.
At first in my notes I had Lightning as having a scummy entrance, focusing a lot on asking people questions but using a tone and posting style that is very non-confrontational. This causes LS's posts to come off as forced and I find it hard to piece together his logic if he were town. e.g. this post:
On June 08 2015 08:49 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:44 Breshke wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote: So Breshke any thoughts on Wherebugsgo right now?
not really. Do you?
On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote: [quote]
I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town.
Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory.
It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour.
You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing.
Yeah I understand this but that doesn't make not revealing who you are to be alignment indicative. If someone has chosen to smurf they have chosen pre game that they probably don't want to reveal who they are. I feel like saying, reveal yourself or get lynched, is a waste because it depends on the player on how they will act so you can't really get much from that.
Also to talk about this now instead of when mafia will be trying to hunt roles. I think it is best in at least the first phase that a lot of the chosen powers are information type roles specifically scrying
I kinda dislike his pressure on FreezingFoot since FreezingFoot could be a smurf and him calling him out so early just seems like it's a preplanned motion from him regardless of his alignment so null.
Notice the qualifications I've bolded here.
He doesn't like it, but goes back and says oh I guess it could be preplanned. So it's null. Null is not a read.
There's also this that follows:
On June 08 2015 08:50 LightningStrike wrote: Also sure it would be nice knowing FreezingFoot's aka but it's not as important as finding scum.
Notice LS says it's not as important as finding scum but LS doesn't actually ever attempt to find scum.
Half of LS's posts focus on "hey I'll be back later" and are also seemingly very self-aware. e.g:
On June 08 2015 09:02 LightningStrike wrote: Well guys I going to get some dinner and when I come back I will check everything that goes on after this post!
Townies don't generally do this so freaking often. You don't need to announce to everyone that you're going to do your job as a townie, unless you are very new or scum.
TL Mafia database has a LOT of games for LS. So he is NOT a new player. This instantly made me more suspicious, but I wanted to see if as town LS was more confident and helpful. Turns out, LS is one of those players I would say has a very clear cut difference between town and mafia. I would suggest you all to skim over some of LS's past games, but in particular the ones that stand out are:
LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and I finding Geript pretty townie this game but than again I never played vs his Mafia yet but so far I feel he's pushing and asking a ton of questions is pretty much him being town. Slam is thinking logically so far although I hate how he suggested a RNG shot Blazinghand style but he been pushing out ideas and not being boring like he was in Slytherin and Student IV when he was Mafia so I giving him a town read by meta. HTS looks really shakey and starting to look a tiny bit like her Void and Newbie LX Mafia games so possible Mafia by meta. rsoultin I love you and all but I need some extra time on you from the fact that I just coming off of 2 games of you being Mafia and might get some paranoia which I might have still on HTS because I not completely forgiven her for lynching me in Newbie LX. But you being very cheerful so far but idk if that is alignment indicative. Tubesock I hated the No Shoot idea but the logic behind it seems townie but I have yet to see him play as Mafia. Breshke is asking some questions and also reconsider his own thoughts and looks townie. Damdred you need to bleed town this game to me because the last time I played with you in Titanic you were Mafia yet you looked so townie in my eyes I just couldn't really play right Your Mom and Sepulchre are both smurfs and idk their other ids but I finding Sepulchre pretty townie on his large post and asking questions with some good explanations for why he thought of stuff like HTS making them intentionally bad or bait and his thing on OBS but I remember OBS having bad Day 1s as town so I would give OBS some extra time to see if he bleeds town. Your Mom haven't posted much either and got Null on him simply because he got very short questions and posts so far so I might need more posts from him to see where he lies for now.
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LightningStrike wrote: Town: Eden: Played with before when he was Mafia and Town but we he seems to be town this game. Geript: Toneread says town he seems to ask some good questions. Snickers: Being extremely serious and giving his thoughts freely it kind of reminds me of a more serious me. Oatsmaster: Trying to get discussions going with pms and stuff but also he just being himself as town this game. Liancourt: He seems interested this game which is a good sign for him being town although I never him play as Mafia before. Null: Koshi: 1 post from him this game and it isn't really alignment indicative. sicklucker: I can't read him anymore on Day 1 after playing with him when he was Mafia and I was town. Also his Day 1 is bad. VisceraEyes: 1 post and wasn't alignment indicative need more posts from him.
LightningStrike wrote: I don't disagree for now on the Eden read. Rsoultin just seems to happy to be Mafia given she played as Mafia twice in a row into Town with me lol. I'm sorry I was Mafia in that game Damdred it just hurt when you called me Mafia but Geript carried me till he died and did a hilarious bus on Sandroba when sicklucker got lynched lol........
LightningStrike wrote: I agree with you on kita Rayn considering a lot has happened since his last post and not really commenting anything relevant except for the shot ideas. Also I remember Toad being mostly carefree early in Hammertime when I was a Cohost when he was Town and he coming across the same way so I incline to think he's town. Rayn you know how to read Sicklucker from my past experience with you and him together any thoughts on Sicklucker so far?
LightningStrike wrote: Sorry I was playing LoL game and HF's case on JAT is legit now that we seen HF flip Town and he made many good points on JAT and honestly the bully behavior that JAT displayed this game when people were voting is consistent with his behavior in Void mafia where he bullied people off him in the entire game as scum. Here's his filter from that game although he just was smurfing in that game that is why the name might be off His scum game in Void: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475749-the-void-mafia?user=Wile E. Coyote
LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and sicklucker is fighting Breshke instead of the other cell mates o.o Also Geript being mad at Kita too and Tube fighting Geript this is interesting stuff going on here and personally I never played in a Cell Setup before so this interesting. Also Geript claimed he got Vig powers and claimed to had shot Sep but yet Sep survived so most likely Ninja in Sep if what Geript was saying is true. I will admit I guarded the Button since we don't know what the button does I thought it was safe play since it kind of like the presents in Carol where we gotten random Presents 1 from a Mass Murderer when unwraped instant kill the person 1 with a Cop power for the Night and 1 with a Vig Shot for the Night and since it prob pure rng what we get I really don't want to give Mafia extra powers or extra powers for ninjas either and weighed it in myself and decided to guard the button.
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LightningStrike wrote: Sorry for not posting much and a update on reading Sandro's past games and will come up with stuff for tomorrow and sicklucker paranoia went through my head sorry and now seeing some light that you are more likely town than Mafia. Tomorrow I will present my findings on Sandro's past games as both alignments and present everything I have on him.
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LightningStrike wrote: I was just wating for more posts to get some better reads that why I haven't posted much because there was really much for me to ready. I still waiting for alakaslam, Dicksmash McIroncock, and Meatpudding to post. My reads are atm the following Town: Oatsmaster, sicklucker, Damdred, kushm4sta, Trfel Null: Half the Sky, Breshke, Alakaslam Scum: Dicksmash McIroncock, Meatpudding. Dicksmash didn't post anything after his first post for the day and Meatpudding is either trolling us with the stuff he posted earlier or he scum but time will tell. Alakaslam at least gave a good explanation for his posts. Breshke gave a explanation on why he voted for sicklucker Half the Sky made some decent posts but it reads null in my eyes but I still kind of new to TL Mafia (2nd game in TL mafia).
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LightningStrike wrote: Guys fyi I wont be here from about 11:45 am to at least 4:30 pm CST and I still think Sandroba is Mafia based on meta and Oats I getting him as Town as he playing like he did in Office, Void, and New Years Eve Party where he was a little lazy but he seemed a little motivated now to play the game although I wished he had played on Day 1 but he's here now.
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On March 08 2015 22:39 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up and will answer your question. Tubesock I thinking some resemblances of her last game in Titanic now and Day 1 I had paranoia because before Titanic when I played her she was Mafia and rolled Mafia in another game too. The reason I seeing some resemblances from this game to Titanic because in that game she also was confused on setup stuff esp on the fact we had 2 Jail Keepers ( Nigella in Carol) and she having some confusions this game on setup stuff too. So a slight Town meta read on her.
Onegu since you confirmed town by the Cop Check I will do as you ask just promise me you shoot Geript okay?
HTS Happy Birthday Girl I assuming you going to party for a bit ##Unvote ##Vote: Onegu
LS's scum play is very very non confrontational and he generally gets away pretty well with just asking questions and making excuses for not having strong opinions or posting much. Tends to be very self-conscious in the thread when he rolls scum, which makes it very easy to recognize him
He knows me inside and out :o
But now you're self aware of it and it can't be used anymore
I was just making a point to KSC as to why I didn't think it was fabricated stuff from bugs that's all.
I see that he made a good case on you in a previous game. that wasn't what was fabricated. The content of the post i quoted was weak and fabricated. my mafia sensor went red alert.
Is the vote on Mig by him that making it go red alert or are you sure it's not yellow alert?
it's his bullshit defence of you, his weird fucking "oh be careful i've got my eye on you" crap and then his stupid fucking vote.
since then he read the thread backwards which is usually mafia and he asked some stupid question about how good nydus is on a scale...which is totally pointless and serves no purpose.
He is mafia and you should all vote him.
I sometimes read the thread backwards after making posts honestly. Also he had asked me weird questions like that too in Witchcraft regarding my meta.
On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote: I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already.
Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any
On June 17 2015 08:03 Breshke wrote: WBG is trying to hunt for who the good players are again and it doesn't necessarily make him mafia it just makes him big headed
How did you reach this conclusion?
I'm not going to speak for him, but given that he played with me in the previous game while you were busy being scum, and he actually uses his head (unlike you) you should consider thinking a bit more like him and a little less like you
Wow! Now I'm offended! Please don't call me poophead or I'll ragequit
Please don't ragequit or my heart will be sunk....
On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote: I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already.
Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any
seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit
you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating
I'm town and I know that from my role pm deal with it
On June 17 2015 08:27 rsoultin wrote: -rolls around the thread-
hihihihi
ls town but not town cause i'm bad about wrongly reading him town yay! i feel safer when others do it too, though! \o/
lol so angry rit
wbg eh...bresh may be right on the ego thing gettin' that too big for the thread feel from your posts, dude...
badumdum what else caught my eye in a scan worth commenting on? oh
i like damdy
tone, yay! \o/
oneg...can wait. not sure why he was the focus for so long lol >< i've got a semi-decent metaread i may break out later on him but it requires some actual posting xP
what does that even mean
you know the part that came after the part you bolded? it explains it ^^ cool, yeah?
so do you actually think he is town or not?
From I reading from her post I think she thinks I town.
On June 17 2015 08:27 rsoultin wrote: -rolls around the thread-
hihihihi
ls town but not town cause i'm bad about wrongly reading him town yay! i feel safer when others do it too, though! \o/
lol so angry rit
wbg eh...bresh may be right on the ego thing gettin' that too big for the thread feel from your posts, dude...
badumdum what else caught my eye in a scan worth commenting on? oh
i like damdy
tone, yay! \o/
oneg...can wait. not sure why he was the focus for so long lol >< i've got a semi-decent metaread i may break out later on him but it requires some actual posting xP
what does that even mean
you know the part that came after the part you bolded? it explains it ^^ cool, yeah?
so do you actually think he is town or not?
From I reading from her post I think she thinks I town.
OI YOU, YOU DON'T JUST GET TO PROD ME FOR SHIT SAY NOTHING AND CHANGE TOPICS. CONCLUDE SOMETHING BISH!
Let's see you thought everyone is null but it still a little early I know but I will forgive you on not having any reads other than null
Also my thoughts so far: Town: Bugs: Meta read says he's town he poking at others and having a big ego :O ritoky: Seemed to be posting freely which I usually associate with him being town just wish he had reads that weren't all null Nydus: Has decent content so far this game just wish he would post more stuff! KSC: Despite the fact I hate his attitude towards me and bugs I think he's town he actually prodding stuff and trying to direct the thread a little bit which I normally seen from him in past games. GB: He seems like his care free self this game although I can see how he would react to a insult from Bugs but otherwise I liking him a little bit Breshke: Didn't fall for a trap by GB and actually thinking critically this game. Null: Everyone else since not a lot posts by others from what I saw.
On June 17 2015 08:45 LightningStrike wrote: Also my thoughts so far: Town: Bugs: Meta read says he's town he poking at others and having a big ego :O ritoky: Seemed to be posting freely which I usually associate with him being town just wish he had reads that weren't all null Nydus: Has decent content so far this game just wish he would post more stuff! KSC: Despite the fact I hate his attitude towards me and bugs I think he's town he actually prodding stuff and trying to direct the thread a little bit which I normally seen from him in past games. GB: He seems like his care free self this game although I can see how he would react to a insult from Bugs but otherwise I liking him a little bit Breshke: Didn't fall for a trap by GB and actually thinking critically this game. Null: Everyone else since not a lot posts by others from what I saw.
how many games are you judging this off?
like 10 i had read his meta for the last game honestly lol.
On June 17 2015 08:45 LightningStrike wrote: Also my thoughts so far: Town: Bugs: Meta read says he's town he poking at others and having a big ego :O ritoky: Seemed to be posting freely which I usually associate with him being town just wish he had reads that weren't all null Nydus: Has decent content so far this game just wish he would post more stuff! KSC: Despite the fact I hate his attitude towards me and bugs I think he's town he actually prodding stuff and trying to direct the thread a little bit which I normally seen from him in past games. GB: He seems like his care free self this game although I can see how he would react to a insult from Bugs but otherwise I liking him a little bit Breshke: Didn't fall for a trap by GB and actually thinking critically this game. Null: Everyone else since not a lot posts by others from what I saw.
you don't have an opinion on onegu? you asked a lot of questions about him.
what about damdred aswell?
Well he made like 2 posts although the first post seems pretty weirdish after talking with others about him and his 2nd post pretty much him calling rsoultin scum for bad reasons. Damdred seems okay for now would not lynch till Day 2 for now.
Morning guys I had fun in my clan inhouses and did keep up with the thread but didn't post because I didn't have much time to post stuff but I going to answer questions from others:
On June 17 2015 08:45 LightningStrike wrote: Also my thoughts so far: Town: Bugs: Meta read says he's town he poking at others and having a big ego :O ritoky: Seemed to be posting freely which I usually associate with him being town just wish he had reads that weren't all null Nydus: Has decent content so far this game just wish he would post more stuff! KSC: Despite the fact I hate his attitude towards me and bugs I think he's town he actually prodding stuff and trying to direct the thread a little bit which I normally seen from him in past games. GB: He seems like his care free self this game although I can see how he would react to a insult from Bugs but otherwise I liking him a little bit Breshke: Didn't fall for a trap by GB and actually thinking critically this game. Null: Everyone else since not a lot posts by others from what I saw.
you don't have an opinion on onegu? you asked a lot of questions about him.
what about damdred aswell?
Well he made like 2 posts although the first post seems pretty weirdish after talking with others about him and his 2nd post pretty much him calling rsoultin scum for bad reasons. Damdred seems okay for now would not lynch till Day 2 for now.
I mean..you asked someone , can't remember, to comment on onegu's opening and related material so I figured you must have an opinion on the whole matter. Or where you just asking the questions for no reason?
Honestly since it was a hot topic early on I want others thoughts and willing to listen to what others say on him but sadly at the time he didn't post much hence the null read at the time.
no thanks. I don't put weight in tone reads, I expect you to have some justification for them.
lol wow
maybe if i just c/p the one little section it will stave off the reading comprehension rant:
"best simple way to describe it to the uninitiated is fluidity...he's one stiff mofo as scum ^^"
it's how i read him early. i tend to be right. if you don't like it, too bad
-shoos-
it's not a reading comprehension issue when you literally don't have justification.
thanks for pointing me in the right direction, though.
##unvote ##vote rsoultin
<3
how cute! it thinks it can lynch me
(if you think that's going to prompt me to make shit up to satisfy you, think again lovely)
is this supposed to be a fake strong response?
I expect you to have reasons for reads. When I ask you for a reason and you literally quote a post of yourself instead of explaining I think there's a great chance you are bullshitting.
So it's okay, you don't need to make MORE shit up, you already made up enough for me to call you scum.
-yawns-
didn't someone say you were supposed to be good?
there's a world of difference between no reasoning and no reasoning you approve of
Qualifying something as a tone read isn't a reason. It's a cop out.
For anyone reading this, take a look at the following. Stuff like this
s town but not town cause i'm bad about wrongly reading him town yay! i feel safer when others do it too, though! \o/
Is a great example of responsibility deflection. This is what scum do when they want to give the appearance of having reads but do not want to entrench themselves in any one position because they don't want to get held accountable for them. There's no reason rsoultin here needs to make any sort of statement on LS, but even so why qualify it like this?
Let's say rsoultin actually thinks LS is town. This is not actually a reason to believe LS is town. All she is saying is that I think he's town now because other people think he's town, and providing a reason for not having a reason. "I think he's town but don't hold me to that cause I'm bad at reading him! hahaa but it's okay cause other people think he's town, right?"
The last part is a great way for rsoultin to get further thread sentiment about LS. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective to say something like this because townies will make the read for themselves and will only qualify what other people say when necessary. Here it just feels forced.
o.0 like...if we're taking a basic 3rd grade reading test you mean?
(he's beating out wbg though lol...
"you have no justification for your read" "it's right there" "no it's not" "here it is" "i think you're scum cause you quoted it" "well aren't you the sharpest tool in the shed"
for more paraphrases from rsoul, leave a message after the beep )
and this
Yes, let's continue paraphrasing useless shit in an attempt to appear more townie. Repeating yourself by paraphrase is probably the worst way I've ever seen someone try to fake providing reads. You're digging yourself deeper every time you post.
aw cutie, you're not reading me at all if you think i don't have reads -amused-
narratives bore me. when you're done writing fairytales, let me know
when you're done copping out I might consider unvoting you.
however, you can just ask LS how hard I will tunnel you to death. And right now I can guarantee you will flip red once I'm done.
His tunnels are deeper than the size of Jupiter's diameter and he still sticks to it no matter what esp as town you don't want him to tunell you I already experienced it and so did GB :O Also Bugs and rsoultiin been getting a weird shit fight although I think both are town esp because rsoultin is basically very stubborn as town and she being very stubborn to Bugs about her reads. Also BM haven't even posted idk why people say he's scum because when it's mostly null? Also I liking HF this game I just wish he didn't think I scum when I town this game -_- @GB: Is it alignment indicative that BM haven't posted yet in your mind and if so why?
On June 17 2015 19:42 Fidei86 wrote: @LS are you an experienced player? I'm getting the vibe that you know everyone else here. What do you think about WBG's tunnel? In the last game I played, the people who were most tunnelled on people throughout the game all ended up being town - it was the mafia who were much more circumspect. That leads me to give him a town read, but I wanted to run my thinking by others who might know his 'meta' better...
I am a experienced player to a degree as I only started play forum mafia in October November area but the tunnel WBG seems pretty townie esp given me knowing his meta he tends to tunnel more as town than scum.
On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote: Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.
Kel is a town lean.
I'm town, this is a good start
Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all.
This one damdred gave thoughts, you press him for more. Then when you give your list damdred isn't on it..but then you say he's ok afterwards. I'd like you to walk me through your process here.
On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote: current state of the thread:
more updates to come.
choppa 4 on the scene.
Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening?
stuff is happening?
Interactions of KSC and Bugs plus what people were posting about Onegu's entrance.
Then with this one, Why did you ask ritoky about this? again I would like your thought process.
I also want to know what you think about shockeyy.
I did like damdred's reads for the most part but I was again playing in LoL inhouses at 7:00 pm CST so I didn't post at all to give my thoughts O_o I wanted ritoky's input to get a outsider perspective on it and all I got from him was that it was pretty much null though so ya it ended being a waste Also shockeyy seems okayish content wise just wish he would post more honestly.
On June 17 2015 20:20 KelsierSC wrote: LS one of the issues I had is that you asked a few questions but there was no follow up to it.
On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote: Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.
Kel is a town lean.
I'm town, this is a good start
Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all.
This one damdred gave thoughts, you press him for more. Then when you give your list damdred isn't on it..but then you say he's ok afterwards. I'd like you to walk me through your process here.
On June 17 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:16 ritoky wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote: current state of the thread:
more updates to come.
choppa 4 on the scene.
Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening?
stuff is happening?
Interactions of KSC and Bugs plus what people were posting about Onegu's entrance.
Then with this one, Why did you ask ritoky about this? again I would like your thought process.
I also want to know what you think about shockeyy.
I did like damdred's reads for the most part but I was again playing in LoL inhouses at 7:00 pm CST so I didn't post at all to give my thoughts O_o I wanted ritoky's input to get a outsider perspective on it and all I got from him was that it was pretty much null though so ya it ended being a waste Also shockeyy seems okayish content wise just wish he would post more honestly.
well this is interesting. I completely disagree with this I think his posting has been terrible.
I think the list post with everyone on it and 1/2 words was scummy , he didn't read what damdred had posted and when he got called out on it he tried to cover up. In fact when the pressure went on him he went pretty defensive imo.
On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote: Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o
derp.
LightningStrike already giving himself away again?...
On June 17 2015 09:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: rsoultin - idk wtf they're posting atm KelsierSC - reminds me of bugs, a butthole, but a town butthole Bill Murray - idk ritoky - Channel 4 Choppa ShoCkeyy - Town Onegu - Misclaim to VT? We'll see, I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt. Holyflare - Opening/Only post claims town lol. Damdred + Show Spoiler +
On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote: So ok claiming town which means ls is scum
On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote: I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already.
Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any
seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit
you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating
Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point.
I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads.
Kel is just a maybe town.
I know I'm town obviously
I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that
you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value.
There are two types of people that play mafia
1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta
LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree.
As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish.
He's town to me at this juncture.
So Damdred, which one is it? Is LS scum cause you're town, or is LS town and you're scum? Or are you both town or scum?
On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote: current state of the thread:
more updates to come.
choppa 4 on the scene.
Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening?
Give it a day or two...
Damdred can you substantiate your reads a bit please? Especially on LS and that other guy? Last game you were one of the first ones to give content and you gave pretty good explanations on each of them...
You posted afterwards but never responded to this.
On June 17 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote: Evening guys. In case you haven't played with me before, this is my second game (first was Holy Guardians). Heading to bed now, but it looks like there'll be a ton of posts ready for me when I wake up ...
Why post this if 40 mins later you're going to post again?
On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote: Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read.
I better see poking this game
Breshke - His posting currently comes off as town to me atm Mig - waiting GlowingBear - Who knows, acts like a child when things don't go his way in town/scum games. LightningStrike - Acting like he cares? I don't know yet, but his posting looks familiar with his last game where he was scum (not caring about what he writes) wherebugsgo - Ego town butthole VayneAuthority - Not much boxerfred - First post is what?
Going to leave now, in-laws are in town.
you need to give me more than you like his content and it is "okayish" it feels like you didn't even read him at all...
Okay I just reread his filter in Witchcraft and he actually now looked worse than I thought I knew something seemed off and it's his list post reasoning seemed worse the ones he did in Witchcraft like I didn't care for his list post he seemed to had been genuine when it comes to thinking I scum again although his read on me is wrong because I do post freely regardless of my alignment(Check my past games Shockeyy) but outside of his list post he seemed to look but not exactly townie atm though.
On June 17 2015 20:20 KelsierSC wrote: LS one of the issues I had is that you asked a few questions but there was no follow up to it.
On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote: Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.
Kel is a town lean.
I'm town, this is a good start
Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all.
This one damdred gave thoughts, you press him for more. Then when you give your list damdred isn't on it..but then you say he's ok afterwards. I'd like you to walk me through your process here.
On June 17 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:16 ritoky wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote: current state of the thread:
more updates to come.
choppa 4 on the scene.
Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening?
stuff is happening?
Interactions of KSC and Bugs plus what people were posting about Onegu's entrance.
Then with this one, Why did you ask ritoky about this? again I would like your thought process.
I also want to know what you think about shockeyy.
I did like damdred's reads for the most part but I was again playing in LoL inhouses at 7:00 pm CST so I didn't post at all to give my thoughts O_o I wanted ritoky's input to get a outsider perspective on it and all I got from him was that it was pretty much null though so ya it ended being a waste Also shockeyy seems okayish content wise just wish he would post more honestly.
well this is interesting. I completely disagree with this I think his posting has been terrible.
I think the list post with everyone on it and 1/2 words was scummy , he didn't read what damdred had posted and when he got called out on it he tried to cover up. In fact when the pressure went on him he went pretty defensive imo.
It is strange that you like his content when.
On June 17 2015 07:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:
On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote: OHAI
I'm town
Really anyone can just claim town you know -_-
On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote: Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o
derp.
LightningStrike already giving himself away again?...
On June 17 2015 09:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: rsoultin - idk wtf they're posting atm KelsierSC - reminds me of bugs, a butthole, but a town butthole Bill Murray - idk ritoky - Channel 4 Choppa ShoCkeyy - Town Onegu - Misclaim to VT? We'll see, I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt. Holyflare - Opening/Only post claims town lol. Damdred + Show Spoiler +
On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote: So ok claiming town which means ls is scum
On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote: I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already.
Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any
seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit
you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating
Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point.
I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads.
Kel is just a maybe town.
I know I'm town obviously
I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that
you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value.
There are two types of people that play mafia
1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta
LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree.
As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish.
He's town to me at this juncture.
So Damdred, which one is it? Is LS scum cause you're town, or is LS town and you're scum? Or are you both town or scum?
On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote: current state of the thread:
more updates to come.
choppa 4 on the scene.
Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening?
Give it a day or two...
Damdred can you substantiate your reads a bit please? Especially on LS and that other guy? Last game you were one of the first ones to give content and you gave pretty good explanations on each of them...
You posted afterwards but never responded to this.
On June 17 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote: Evening guys. In case you haven't played with me before, this is my second game (first was Holy Guardians). Heading to bed now, but it looks like there'll be a ton of posts ready for me when I wake up ...
Why post this if 40 mins later you're going to post again?
On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote: Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read.
I better see poking this game
Breshke - His posting currently comes off as town to me atm Mig - waiting GlowingBear - Who knows, acts like a child when things don't go his way in town/scum games. LightningStrike - Acting like he cares? I don't know yet, but his posting looks familiar with his last game where he was scum (not caring about what he writes) wherebugsgo - Ego town butthole VayneAuthority - Not much boxerfred - First post is what?
Going to leave now, in-laws are in town.
you need to give me more than you like his content and it is "okayish" it feels like you didn't even read him at all...
Okay I just reread his filter in Witchcraft and he actually now looked worse than I thought I knew something seemed off and it's his list post reasoning seemed worse the ones he did in Witchcraft like I didn't care for his list post he seemed to had been genuine when it comes to thinking I scum again although his read on me is wrong because I do post freely regardless of my alignment(Check my past games Shockeyy) but outside of his list post he seemed to look but not exactly townie atm though.
look... what? I think you edited a word out.
So I asked you to give a read on shockeyy..you said he looked okay without reading him properly? that seems very strange. Also this makes no sense to me.
I didn't care for his list post he seemed to had been genuine when it comes to thinking I scum again although his read on me is wrong because I do post freely regardless of my alignment
you don't like his lost post or his reasons but you felt his reason for scum reading you is genuine? His reasoning is that he is playing like he did last game, but now you are saying that isn't true...
Well he only played with me when I was scum so ofc I would expect his type of reaction on his first post given based on our history from Witchcraft. Also I forgot to add a word he seemed to look okay outside of his list post. Also I am running on 7 hours of sleep with a sinus headache and just took some medicine so ofc I most likely didn't read his filter properly this game the first time -_-
Actually correction I only had 5 hours of sleep as I forgot I went to bed at Midnight CST but watched some LoL since I couldn't fall back to sleep and decided to play for a bit so for now I will try to get more sleep and hopefully this time I wont be as tired as right now I feeling extremely tired so see ya guys hopefully in a few hours after getting some sleep
I back and KSC stilll thinks I scum and thinks I had slipped when I Town -_- and HF thinks I changing my scum meta when I not even scum -_- Plus GB you still didn't answer a question I had asked -_- I will quote the question here:
@GB: Is it alignment indicative that BM haven't posted yet in your mind and if so why?
@HF: You seriously need to help us if you are town can you play the game correctly now? <3 @Rsoultin and GB: Any thoughts on Shockeyy?
On June 18 2015 00:56 LightningStrike wrote: I back and KSC stilll thinks I scum and thinks I had slipped when I Town -_- and HF thinks I changing my scum meta when I not even scum -_- Plus GB you still didn't answer a question I had asked -_- I will quote the question here:
@GB: Is it alignment indicative that BM haven't posted yet in your mind and if so why?
@HF: You seriously need to help us if you are town can you play the game correctly now? <3 @Rsoultin and GB: Any thoughts on Shockeyy?
um right well still no
do something with meee then ls
Okay what your thoughts on shockeyy because I want to compare what I think of him now after my nap and you so we can work together!
On June 18 2015 01:05 LightningStrike wrote: Bugs since you are here read on me atm and why?
you seem to be a little focused on your own appearance right now, e.g. your responses to KSC/HF but as far as I can tell that's not alignment indicative for you
but don't worry you're not in my naughty bucket yet, I have a couple secrets that make me think you shouldn't be there hehehe
(Wags tail) I see :D Any thoughts on GB like do you think he scum again this game or no and why?
Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel?
On June 18 2015 01:05 LightningStrike wrote: Bugs since you are here read on me atm and why?
you seem to be a little focused on your own appearance right now, e.g. your responses to KSC/HF but as far as I can tell that's not alignment indicative for you
but don't worry you're not in my naughty bucket yet, I have a couple secrets that make me think you shouldn't be there hehehe
(Wags tail) I see :D Any thoughts on GB like do you think he scum again this game or no and why?
my concern with GB is that he seemed to be capable of playing quite well as scum in the previous game. There are certain things that bother me, e.g. the fact that he seemed to disagree on rsoultin but his vote was on rsoultin. Now his vote isn't there but it hasn't particularly moved in a manner that makes him look very good. In addition he appeared to want to work with me, and I told him how he could do it, yet in the course of 12ish hours when he has actually posted in the thread, he didn't bother to ask me anything. That's fairly damning given that I would've expected him to have something to ask when he seemed to feel so strongly about me apparently not wanting to work with him.
It is a little odd but not yet odd considering what happened in our last game between you two but yet since he said he wanted to work with you this game it's a little surprising he haven't done much with you. If he's scum it would be more than just that though but yet I don't exactly know how to read GB as scum myself.
On June 18 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel?
##unvote ##vote LightningStrike
I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3
On June 18 2015 01:05 LightningStrike wrote: Bugs since you are here read on me atm and why?
you seem to be a little focused on your own appearance right now, e.g. your responses to KSC/HF but as far as I can tell that's not alignment indicative for you
but don't worry you're not in my naughty bucket yet, I have a couple secrets that make me think you shouldn't be there hehehe
(Wags tail) I see :D Any thoughts on GB like do you think he scum again this game or no and why?
my concern with GB is that he seemed to be capable of playing quite well as scum in the previous game. There are certain things that bother me, e.g. the fact that he seemed to disagree on rsoultin but his vote was on rsoultin. Now his vote isn't there but it hasn't particularly moved in a manner that makes him look very good. In addition he appeared to want to work with me, and I told him how he could do it, yet in the course of 12ish hours when he has actually posted in the thread, he didn't bother to ask me anything. That's fairly damning given that I would've expected him to have something to ask when he seemed to feel so strongly about me apparently not wanting to work with him.
It is a little odd but not yet odd considering what happened in our last game between you two but yet since he said he wanted to work with you this game it's a little surprising he haven't done much with you. If he's scum it would be more than just that though but yet I don't exactly know how to read GB as scum myself.
yeah I need some more time on him
Fair enough. Anyone other thoughts you want to give out atm?
On June 18 2015 01:05 LightningStrike wrote: Bugs since you are here read on me atm and why?
you seem to be a little focused on your own appearance right now, e.g. your responses to KSC/HF but as far as I can tell that's not alignment indicative for you
but don't worry you're not in my naughty bucket yet, I have a couple secrets that make me think you shouldn't be there hehehe
(Wags tail) I see :D Any thoughts on GB like do you think he scum again this game or no and why?
my concern with GB is that he seemed to be capable of playing quite well as scum in the previous game. There are certain things that bother me, e.g. the fact that he seemed to disagree on rsoultin but his vote was on rsoultin. Now his vote isn't there but it hasn't particularly moved in a manner that makes him look very good. In addition he appeared to want to work with me, and I told him how he could do it, yet in the course of 12ish hours when he has actually posted in the thread, he didn't bother to ask me anything. That's fairly damning given that I would've expected him to have something to ask when he seemed to feel so strongly about me apparently not wanting to work with him.
It is a little odd but not yet odd considering what happened in our last game between you two but yet since he said he wanted to work with you this game it's a little surprising he haven't done much with you. If he's scum it would be more than just that though but yet I don't exactly know how to read GB as scum myself.
yeah I need some more time on him
Fair enough. Anyone other thoughts you want to give out atm?
what do you think of Kelsier? I think he's got some fairly stupid opinions/reads but he comes off as town to me
I agree that I think he's town he does this stuff all the time as town from what i remember playing with him.
On June 18 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel?
##unvote ##vote LightningStrike
I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3
lol no
Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack.
now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why? also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it. You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway.
I see him as a newer player which is also why I hesitant on actually commiting unless other people think's scum too because(Meta) in his last game(Witchcraft III) he gave much more structure and reasons for his reads than he did this game so far I wondering if it's alignment indicative or not.
On June 18 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel?
##unvote ##vote LightningStrike
I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3
lol no
Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack.
now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why? also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it. You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway.
I see him as a newer player which is also why I hesitant on actually commiting unless other people think's scum too because(Meta) in his last game(Witchcraft III) he gave much more structure and reasons for his reads than he did this game so far I wondering if it's alignment indicative or not.
so you still have no scum reads of your own. shocker.
It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out.
On June 18 2015 02:08 NydusHerMain wrote: Shockey is also pretty defensive (I wouldn't say super defensive) and doesn't really seem to be scum hunting.
That what I getting from his posts too a little and his list post doesn't seem to be as thoughtful as his list posts from his last game (Witchcraft III) and here his very first list post I think from what I remember from the game:
On June 09 2015 00:25 ShoCkeyy wrote: ##vote wherebugsgo
Bugs posts in the beginning are trollish, but who knows just following the hype train from reading the thread atm.
Anymore thoughts outside of Bugs opening?
I've only gone through the opening, but Kickstart's and Breshke posts seem legit, Onegu is hiding to not get sniped first day. I'll sheep BM just cause I want to atm. It's the first day, hard to tell anything about anybody. Especially when there is other people who have yet to really post.
Then there is the smurf, but he's been active so w.e
I liked Kickstarts opening, very part of the game, he went ahead and started with some roleplay basically saying he's town which is why I quickly can say he's town (obviously it's still the beginning, the posting can get worse) and he went ahead and started questioning bugs cause of this:
On June 08 2015 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote: anyway I am kinda sad I didn't roll scum this game but you guys should elevate me to Greater Demon status cause that'll be baller
also if you guys could fill me in on who I should expect to suck this game and when I should be disappointed for someone sucking that would be great
It's an opening post, but it's just so ugly for it being one of the first opening posts.
Breshke - You can just tell he's playing a townie, then why all the questions that force others to really give their opinions of other players?
On June 09 2015 14:53 FreezingFoot wrote: Onegu is much more a coin flip than anything. He should definetely not be lynched today. I think LS is the same. He always is this passive regardless of alignment
why is shockey not a coin flip as well then? Is he not new?
I'm not new to these forums. I've definitely have played Mafia here before, but it's been a long time since then, so in a way I am new once again and I change my play style every game no matter what role. Then what's the point of continually playing when others have such a great read on you? This is why I started playing again, brings enjoyment.
Onegu: He brings points, then leaves - hiding to not really get sniped.
BM: I've played games with him before, always town. So I just rather sheep some one with more knowledge atm.
This was my opening post, now I've explained myself about it because most of you instantly think scum if I don't.
On June 08 2015 21:58 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up[ and had company over last night hence why my activity was kinda iffy(I thought they would be done earlier but they stayed till 11:15 -_-) and Bugs got a question:
On June 08 2015 16:18 wherebugsgo wrote: LightningStrike, do you have any games of yours that you would suggest I read if I wanted to know more about how you play? Gonna dig around myself but just curious if you can help me along in identifying which games you would consider representative of your town and mafia play.
I don't like it, why do you link so many previous games to make sure people know how you play as a townie or mafia? And the fact that Bugs asked you makes it strange. Especially when he can just dig around himself, theres a database thread with ctrl + f.
On June 09 2015 15:06 Breshke wrote: Actually foot never mind that's a shit question. Would be nice if shockey would come back to the thread
Ok
And Shockey, when you come back to the thread, I ask you catch up and tell who we should lynch
I'm still going to stick to bugs, he's obviously angry about being called out so early into the game that he decides to leave instead, what kind of town motive is that? The google spreadsheet? It's ok, points as BM mafia because he's on an all out against bugs and LS even though they never had another interaction again after the game list above.
I don't have an interest in playing when no one else has an interest in playing
If the train decides to lynch a lurker (stutters), I doubt he would pull so much attention to himself if he was mafia by just not posting.
idk if this counts as a list post or not but he came some of his reads and thoughts early on in this post that felt much more insightful than what he did this game in his first list post.
On June 18 2015 02:13 KelsierSC wrote: also LS what do you mean by shockey has a low chance of slipping scum? that makes no fucking sense when people, myself included have brought up scummy aspects about his play. and other people in town like nydus also agree. you think new players don't role scum or something?
On June 18 2015 02:13 KelsierSC wrote: also LS what do you mean by shockey has a low chance of slipping scum? that makes no fucking sense when people, myself included have brought up scummy aspects about his play. and other people in town like nydus also agree. you think new players don't role scum or something?
Lightning + Shockey. They have a natural affinity for one another kappa
Can't tell if trolling in this post I know kappa is a twitch chat meme which is more likely indication of trolling people.
On June 18 2015 02:13 KelsierSC wrote: also LS what do you mean by shockey has a low chance of slipping scum? that makes no fucking sense when people, myself included have brought up scummy aspects about his play. and other people in town like nydus also agree. you think new players don't role scum or something?
I mean flipping scum obviously -_-
that is what i mean aswell, it was a typo.
what do you mean by he has a low chance of flipping scum.
Like I can see some of his posts being from town but there was some questionables posts mainly his list post it felt weird esp I gave a meta quote from his last game on his early reads and stuff and it seemed much more insightful and structure than his list post this game but keep in mind I only played with him once.
On June 18 2015 02:13 KelsierSC wrote: also LS what do you mean by shockey has a low chance of slipping scum? that makes no fucking sense when people, myself included have brought up scummy aspects about his play. and other people in town like nydus also agree. you think new players don't role scum or something?
Lightning + Shockey. They have a natural affinity for one another kappa
Can't tell if trolling in this post I know kappa is a twitch chat meme which is more likely indication of trolling people.
It was a troll :< . Lightning and Shockey are electricity related >.>
On June 18 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel?
##unvote ##vote LightningStrike
I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3
lol no
Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack.
now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why? also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it. You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway.
I see him as a newer player which is also why I hesitant on actually commiting unless other people think's scum too because(Meta) in his last game(Witchcraft III) he gave much more structure and reasons for his reads than he did this game so far I wondering if it's alignment indicative or not.
The first thing someone said about shockey is that he's not new he has 5 previous games in the database. You also give plenty of reasons to call him mafia so why are you waiting for other people before you do a push on him?? Are you saying your meta is wrong because if it's correct your read should be much stronger.
I don't have the best track record when it comes to reading newbies correctly (See Newbie LX).
On June 18 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel?
##unvote ##vote LightningStrike
I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3
lol no
Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack.
now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why? also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it. You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway.
I see him as a newer player which is also why I hesitant on actually commiting unless other people think's scum too because(Meta) in his last game(Witchcraft III) he gave much more structure and reasons for his reads than he did this game so far I wondering if it's alignment indicative or not.
The first thing someone said about shockey is that he's not new he has 5 previous games in the database. You also give plenty of reasons to call him mafia so why are you waiting for other people before you do a push on him?? Are you saying your meta is wrong because if it's correct your read should be much stronger.
I don't have the best track record when it comes to reading newbies correctly (See Newbie LX).
ok but he isn't a newbie
Not exactly a experience player either :O Anyways this some people do think shockeyy might be scum I think maybe he is going to flip therefore I will vote him now until people tell me a better target. ##Vote: Shockeyy
The tone of your posts flips from townreading to scumreading pretty much every other post. You're not pressuring a soul but the afk.
bugs we're not lynching me. Find a better target
Thoughts on Shockeyy so far?
Later. If you're impatient read my filter
You think scum from what I read in your filter O_o
Didn't like his list post, agree with damdy that town generally does the fuck off type posting though, so scumlean but not the most interesting person in the thread to me presently
Well I posted a quote that was listish post which was his first reads of the game what you think of it compared his list post this game?
On June 18 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel?
##unvote ##vote LightningStrike
I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3
lol no
Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack.
now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why? also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it. You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway.
I see him as a newer player which is also why I hesitant on actually commiting unless other people think's scum too because(Meta) in his last game(Witchcraft III) he gave much more structure and reasons for his reads than he did this game so far I wondering if it's alignment indicative or not.
The first thing someone said about shockey is that he's not new he has 5 previous games in the database. You also give plenty of reasons to call him mafia so why are you waiting for other people before you do a push on him?? Are you saying your meta is wrong because if it's correct your read should be much stronger.
I don't have the best track record when it comes to reading newbies correctly (See Newbie LX).
he's not a newbie you poop read the first sentence again???
He still newish based on stuff I read on the database(5 games there plus 1 more so 6 total) :O
On June 18 2015 02:35 NydusHerMain wrote: I don't think 5 games counts as not a newbie does it? I mean this is only my third game but I'd still say I'm a newbie o.O.
He got 6 games under his belt he still newish though based on that.
On June 18 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel?
##unvote ##vote LightningStrike
I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3
lol no
Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack. He is my strongest scumread even though it's a bit weak but it better than nothing. now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why? also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it. You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway.
I see him as a newer player which is also why I hesitant on actually commiting unless other people think's scum too because(Meta) in his last game(Witchcraft III) he gave much more structure and reasons for his reads than he did this game so far I wondering if it's alignment indicative or not.
The first thing someone said about shockey is that he's not new he has 5 previous games in the database. You also give plenty of reasons to call him mafia so why are you waiting for other people before you do a push on him?? Are you saying your meta is wrong because if it's correct your read should be much stronger.
I don't have the best track record when it comes to reading newbies correctly (See Newbie LX).
ok but he isn't a newbie
Not exactly a experience player either :O Anyways this some people do think shockeyy might be scum I think maybe he is going to flip therefore I will vote him now until people tell me a better target. ##Vote: Shockeyy
ok why the change specifically to this since you went from the "he's okayish" "he has "a low chance to flip scum" and now you are voting him.
I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3
lol no
Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack. He is my strongest scumread even though it's a bit weak but it better than nothing. now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why? also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it. You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway.
I see him as a newer player which is also why I hesitant on actually commiting unless other people think's scum too because(Meta) in his last game(Witchcraft III) he gave much more structure and reasons for his reads than he did this game so far I wondering if it's alignment indicative or not.
The first thing someone said about shockey is that he's not new he has 5 previous games in the database. You also give plenty of reasons to call him mafia so why are you waiting for other people before you do a push on him?? Are you saying your meta is wrong because if it's correct your read should be much stronger.
I don't have the best track record when it comes to reading newbies correctly (See Newbie LX).
ok but he isn't a newbie
Not exactly a experience player either :O Anyways this some people do think shockeyy might be scum I think maybe he is going to flip therefore I will vote him now until people tell me a better target. ##Vote: Shockeyy
ok why the change specifically to this since you went from the "he's okayish" "he has "a low chance to flip scum" and now you are voting him.
He still my strongest scumread although weakish on meta but it better than nothing at this point. tell me why he wont flip scum?
On June 18 2015 01:49 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3
lol no
Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack. He is my strongest scumread even though it's a bit weak but it better than nothing. now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why? also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it. You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway.
I see him as a newer player which is also why I hesitant on actually commiting unless other people think's scum too because(Meta) in his last game(Witchcraft III) he gave much more structure and reasons for his reads than he did this game so far I wondering if it's alignment indicative or not.
The first thing someone said about shockey is that he's not new he has 5 previous games in the database. You also give plenty of reasons to call him mafia so why are you waiting for other people before you do a push on him?? Are you saying your meta is wrong because if it's correct your read should be much stronger.
I don't have the best track record when it comes to reading newbies correctly (See Newbie LX).
ok but he isn't a newbie
Not exactly a experience player either :O Anyways this some people do think shockeyy might be scum I think maybe he is going to flip therefore I will vote him now until people tell me a better target. ##Vote: Shockeyy
ok why the change specifically to this since you went from the "he's okayish" "he has "a low chance to flip scum" and now you are voting him.
that isn't an answer you need to actually go into why things changed so drastically not "i asked people's opinion"
I had hit post when I thought I typed my words out -_- I did a EBWOP on it.
The tone of your posts flips from townreading to scumreading pretty much every other post. You're not pressuring a soul but the afk.
bugs we're not lynching me. Find a better target
Thoughts on Shockeyy so far?
Later. If you're impatient read my filter
You think scum from what I read in your filter O_o
Didn't like his list post, agree with damdy that town generally does the fuck off type posting though, so scumlean but not the most interesting person in the thread to me presently
Well I posted a quote that was listish post which was his first reads of the game what you think of it compared his list post this game?
Dude i'm on my phone. You know i'm going to want to follow up in the thrwas that was posted in. This has to wait until I get home tonight
I can wait for you I guess just sheep me when you come back?
Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games.
The tone of your posts flips from townreading to scumreading pretty much every other post. You're not pressuring a soul but the afk.
bugs we're not lynching me. Find a better target
Thoughts on Shockeyy so far?
Later. If you're impatient read my filter
You think scum from what I read in your filter O_o
Didn't like his list post, agree with damdy that town generally does the fuck off type posting though, so scumlean but not the most interesting person in the thread to me presently
Well I posted a quote that was listish post which was his first reads of the game what you think of it compared his list post this game?
Dude i'm on my phone. You know i'm going to want to follow up in the thrwas that was posted in. This has to wait until I get home tonight
I can wait for you I guess just sheep me when you come back?
WHY ARE YOU ASKING HER TO SHEEP YOU WHEN YOU WANTED HER OPINION ON SHOCKEYY BEFORE YOU VOTED FOR HIM
Why not? She did say a answer to me to look at her filter she didn't like his list post hence I told her to sheep me.
He still my strongest scumread although weakish on meta but it better than nothing at this point. tell me why he wont flip scum?
is that your response to me?
Correct.
ok you clearly aren't reading the thread as i'm one of the main proponents of shockeyy being scum.
You need to explain how you changed from shockey being "low chance to flip," "okayish" to now you voting on him. what opinion changed it and how.
People reassuring that he could be scum (NHM and others) and he was the strongest scumread and decided to just vote him now since people reassuring me on it also HF told me if I feel so strongly about just vote him O_o
He still my strongest scumread although weakish on meta but it better than nothing at this point. tell me why he wont flip scum?
is that your response to me?
Correct.
ok you clearly aren't reading the thread as i'm one of the main proponents of shockeyy being scum.
You need to explain how you changed from shockey being "low chance to flip," "okayish" to now you voting on him. what opinion changed it and how.
People reassuring that he could be scum (NHM and others) and he was the strongest scumread and decided to just vote him now since people reassuring me on it also HF told me if I feel so strongly about just vote him O_o
but you didn't feel strongly about it at all as he had a "low chance"
who are the others it was me and NHM, I had already posted a bunch of stuff about shockeyy when you decided he looked okayish and probably wouldn't flip scum. rsoultin was "unsure" and you are asking her to sheep you so you just wanted nydus to post his reason which was pretty much what I had said already? so your "consideration of opinions" is just if nydus said it then it must be true?
You and Nydus plus HF said they didn't like his list post I agreed with you guys on that for the most part there and felt like a different tone than last game I played with him too in some of his posts.
He still my strongest scumread although weakish on meta but it better than nothing at this point. tell me why he wont flip scum?
is that your response to me?
Correct.
ok you clearly aren't reading the thread as i'm one of the main proponents of shockeyy being scum.
You need to explain how you changed from shockey being "low chance to flip," "okayish" to now you voting on him. what opinion changed it and how.
People reassuring that he could be scum (NHM and others) and he was the strongest scumread and decided to just vote him now since people reassuring me on it also HF told me if I feel so strongly about just vote him O_o
woah woah woah woahhhhhhhhhhhhhh there
none of that happened until you had actually voted him already
He still my strongest scumread although weakish on meta but it better than nothing at this point. tell me why he wont flip scum?
is that your response to me?
Correct.
ok you clearly aren't reading the thread as i'm one of the main proponents of shockeyy being scum.
You need to explain how you changed from shockey being "low chance to flip," "okayish" to now you voting on him. what opinion changed it and how.
People reassuring that he could be scum (NHM and others) and he was the strongest scumread and decided to just vote him now since people reassuring me on it also HF told me if I feel so strongly about just vote him O_o
but you didn't feel strongly about it at all as he had a "low chance"
who are the others it was me and NHM, I had already posted a bunch of stuff about shockeyy when you decided he looked okayish and probably wouldn't flip scum. rsoultin was "unsure" and you are asking her to sheep you so you just wanted nydus to post his reason which was pretty much what I had said already? so your "consideration of opinions" is just if nydus said it then it must be true?
You and Nydus plus HF said they didn't like his list post I agreed with you guys on that for the most part there and felt like a different tone than last game I played with him too in some of his posts.
Nitpicky but I liked his list post initially.
True but later you changed from what I read on your thing on him O_o
He still my strongest scumread although weakish on meta but it better than nothing at this point. tell me why he wont flip scum?
is that your response to me?
Correct.
ok you clearly aren't reading the thread as i'm one of the main proponents of shockeyy being scum.
You need to explain how you changed from shockey being "low chance to flip," "okayish" to now you voting on him. what opinion changed it and how.
People reassuring that he could be scum (NHM and others) and he was the strongest scumread and decided to just vote him now since people reassuring me on it also HF told me if I feel so strongly about just vote him O_o
but you didn't feel strongly about it at all as he had a "low chance"
who are the others it was me and NHM, I had already posted a bunch of stuff about shockeyy when you decided he looked okayish and probably wouldn't flip scum. rsoultin was "unsure" and you are asking her to sheep you so you just wanted nydus to post his reason which was pretty much what I had said already? so your "consideration of opinions" is just if nydus said it then it must be true?
You and Nydus plus HF said they didn't like his list post I agreed with you guys on that for the most part there and felt like a different tone than last game I played with him too in some of his posts.
Well I had already said that before you came across saying he was ok. Nydus actually didn't mind the list post at all and that isn't the reason he is voting shockey
I kind of liked that he gave a lot of reads at first but the way he's talking about his wife's birthday, etc. It just feels kind of fake to me and it feels like he's trying to make an excuse as to why he's posting so scummy (to people who thought his post was scummy). Gives me a very weird vibe.
Then vote him with me then? We both think he's scum and so does Nydus why not vote him?
He still my strongest scumread although weakish on meta but it better than nothing at this point. tell me why he wont flip scum?
is that your response to me?
Correct.
ok you clearly aren't reading the thread as i'm one of the main proponents of shockeyy being scum.
You need to explain how you changed from shockey being "low chance to flip," "okayish" to now you voting on him. what opinion changed it and how.
People reassuring that he could be scum (NHM and others) and he was the strongest scumread and decided to just vote him now since people reassuring me on it also HF told me if I feel so strongly about just vote him O_o
but you didn't feel strongly about it at all as he had a "low chance"
who are the others it was me and NHM, I had already posted a bunch of stuff about shockeyy when you decided he looked okayish and probably wouldn't flip scum. rsoultin was "unsure" and you are asking her to sheep you so you just wanted nydus to post his reason which was pretty much what I had said already? so your "consideration of opinions" is just if nydus said it then it must be true?
You and Nydus plus HF said they didn't like his list post I agreed with you guys on that for the most part there and felt like a different tone than last game I played with him too in some of his posts.
Well I had already said that before you came across saying he was ok. Nydus actually didn't mind the list post at all and that isn't the reason he is voting shockey
I kind of liked that he gave a lot of reads at first but the way he's talking about his wife's birthday, etc. It just feels kind of fake to me and it feels like he's trying to make an excuse as to why he's posting so scummy (to people who thought his post was scummy). Gives me a very weird vibe.
Then vote him with me then? We both think he's scum and so does Nydus why not vote him?
Have you ever explicitly called me town? I know in your earlier post you said I had some decent content but was that a town read?
He still my strongest scumread although weakish on meta but it better than nothing at this point. tell me why he wont flip scum?
is that your response to me?
Correct.
ok you clearly aren't reading the thread as i'm one of the main proponents of shockeyy being scum.
You need to explain how you changed from shockey being "low chance to flip," "okayish" to now you voting on him. what opinion changed it and how.
People reassuring that he could be scum (NHM and others) and he was the strongest scumread and decided to just vote him now since people reassuring me on it also HF told me if I feel so strongly about just vote him O_o
but you didn't feel strongly about it at all as he had a "low chance"
who are the others it was me and NHM, I had already posted a bunch of stuff about shockeyy when you decided he looked okayish and probably wouldn't flip scum. rsoultin was "unsure" and you are asking her to sheep you so you just wanted nydus to post his reason which was pretty much what I had said already? so your "consideration of opinions" is just if nydus said it then it must be true?
You and Nydus plus HF said they didn't like his list post I agreed with you guys on that for the most part there and felt like a different tone than last game I played with him too in some of his posts.
Well I had already said that before you came across saying he was ok. Nydus actually didn't mind the list post at all and that isn't the reason he is voting shockey
I kind of liked that he gave a lot of reads at first but the way he's talking about his wife's birthday, etc. It just feels kind of fake to me and it feels like he's trying to make an excuse as to why he's posting so scummy (to people who thought his post was scummy). Gives me a very weird vibe.
Then vote him with me then? We both think he's scum and so does Nydus why not vote him?
is this really all you have to say to my questions? You said shockey was "okish" and had a "low chance to flip scum". now you have apparently seen things differently.
I already gave my reasons when you had called him ok.
You got the wrong reasons for why nydus called him scummy, it wasn't to do with the list post at all.
Rsoultin was unsure and you then told her to sheep you, which was the stupidest thing I have ever seen.
So how did this change of opinion come about?
you haven't been reading the thread properly as shown by your questioning. you have just vomitted into the thread tried to call everyone town, post links to bullshit games no one cares about. now you are stuck in a trap.
100% mafia.
I felt more confident about him being scum after talking to others about him O_o
Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack. He is my strongest scumread even though it's a bit weak but it better than nothing. now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why? also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it. You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway.
I see him as a newer player which is also why I hesitant on actually commiting unless other people think's scum too because(Meta) in his last game(Witchcraft III) he gave much more structure and reasons for his reads than he did this game so far I wondering if it's alignment indicative or not.
The first thing someone said about shockey is that he's not new he has 5 previous games in the database. You also give plenty of reasons to call him mafia so why are you waiting for other people before you do a push on him?? Are you saying your meta is wrong because if it's correct your read should be much stronger.
I don't have the best track record when it comes to reading newbies correctly (See Newbie LX).
ok but he isn't a newbie
Not exactly a experience player either :O Anyways this some people do think shockeyy might be scum I think maybe he is going to flip therefore I will vote him now until people tell me a better target. ##Vote: Shockeyy
ok why the change specifically to this since you went from the "he's okayish" "he has "a low chance to flip scum" and now you are voting him.
He still my strongest scumread although weakish on meta but it better than nothing at this point. tell me why he wont flip scum?
I still can't get over this question. I am one of the leaders of the shockeyy is scum idea, and you ask me this.
ADDITIONALLY you said he had a low chance to flip scum so why the fuck are you asking that question to me. surely you are the one with the answer.
He got better chances than the active players here of being scum I feel but it is kinda weak reasoning on meta.
On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] Correct.
ok you clearly aren't reading the thread as i'm one of the main proponents of shockeyy being scum.
You need to explain how you changed from shockey being "low chance to flip," "okayish" to now you voting on him. what opinion changed it and how.
People reassuring that he could be scum (NHM and others) and he was the strongest scumread and decided to just vote him now since people reassuring me on it also HF told me if I feel so strongly about just vote him O_o
but you didn't feel strongly about it at all as he had a "low chance"
who are the others it was me and NHM, I had already posted a bunch of stuff about shockeyy when you decided he looked okayish and probably wouldn't flip scum. rsoultin was "unsure" and you are asking her to sheep you so you just wanted nydus to post his reason which was pretty much what I had said already? so your "consideration of opinions" is just if nydus said it then it must be true?
You and Nydus plus HF said they didn't like his list post I agreed with you guys on that for the most part there and felt like a different tone than last game I played with him too in some of his posts.
Well I had already said that before you came across saying he was ok. Nydus actually didn't mind the list post at all and that isn't the reason he is voting shockey
I kind of liked that he gave a lot of reads at first but the way he's talking about his wife's birthday, etc. It just feels kind of fake to me and it feels like he's trying to make an excuse as to why he's posting so scummy (to people who thought his post was scummy). Gives me a very weird vibe.
Then vote him with me then? We both think he's scum and so does Nydus why not vote him?
is this really all you have to say to my questions? You said shockey was "okish" and had a "low chance to flip scum". now you have apparently seen things differently.
I already gave my reasons when you had called him ok.
You got the wrong reasons for why nydus called him scummy, it wasn't to do with the list post at all.
Rsoultin was unsure and you then told her to sheep you, which was the stupidest thing I have ever seen.
So how did this change of opinion come about?
you haven't been reading the thread properly as shown by your questioning. you have just vomitted into the thread tried to call everyone town, post links to bullshit games no one cares about. now you are stuck in a trap.
100% mafia.
I felt more confident about him being scum after talking to others about him O_o
...but you haven't explained how and you can't because it is complete bullshit whatever you ahve to say
Some of his seems like I could see it coming from as town like his questioning but for the most part I didn't like his list post and he could be faking about the wife thing as a excuse to not do much at all.
On June 18 2015 03:40 NydusHerMain wrote: Ignore me and you're probably not making it to tomorrow because I'm pretty fucking towny and despite being a newbie, I'd like to think that I have decent sway today.
just ignore her back she loves it
i'm sorry if we've caused unnecessary confusion with the votes but they are just sitting afk on rsoultin due to sheer lazyness so treat like 3/4 of them as not real votes
the people that i'd likely lynch today will be:
the person that gets replaced boxerfred possibly va but i'll have to have a think about that notreallysureaboutlshe'sgivingmedemweirdfeels
Wouldn't MiG be the one getting replaced since he has 0 posts? And I see....
On June 18 2015 02:46 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] People reassuring that he could be scum (NHM and others) and he was the strongest scumread and decided to just vote him now since people reassuring me on it also HF told me if I feel so strongly about just vote him O_o
but you didn't feel strongly about it at all as he had a "low chance"
who are the others it was me and NHM, I had already posted a bunch of stuff about shockeyy when you decided he looked okayish and probably wouldn't flip scum. rsoultin was "unsure" and you are asking her to sheep you so you just wanted nydus to post his reason which was pretty much what I had said already? so your "consideration of opinions" is just if nydus said it then it must be true?
You and Nydus plus HF said they didn't like his list post I agreed with you guys on that for the most part there and felt like a different tone than last game I played with him too in some of his posts.
Well I had already said that before you came across saying he was ok. Nydus actually didn't mind the list post at all and that isn't the reason he is voting shockey
I kind of liked that he gave a lot of reads at first but the way he's talking about his wife's birthday, etc. It just feels kind of fake to me and it feels like he's trying to make an excuse as to why he's posting so scummy (to people who thought his post was scummy). Gives me a very weird vibe.
Then vote him with me then? We both think he's scum and so does Nydus why not vote him?
is this really all you have to say to my questions? You said shockey was "okish" and had a "low chance to flip scum". now you have apparently seen things differently.
I already gave my reasons when you had called him ok.
You got the wrong reasons for why nydus called him scummy, it wasn't to do with the list post at all.
Rsoultin was unsure and you then told her to sheep you, which was the stupidest thing I have ever seen.
So how did this change of opinion come about?
you haven't been reading the thread properly as shown by your questioning. you have just vomitted into the thread tried to call everyone town, post links to bullshit games no one cares about. now you are stuck in a trap.
100% mafia.
I felt more confident about him being scum after talking to others about him O_o
...but you haven't explained how and you can't because it is complete bullshit whatever you ahve to say
Some of his seems like I could see it coming from as town like his questioning but for the most part I didn't like his list post and he could be faking about the wife thing as a excuse to not do much at all.
so basically you are happy to change from "low chance to flip scum" to "vote this guy", "sheep me" because nydus said so?
Nydus, HF, and you(I had like a mind meld with Nydus on some stuff) and thought he was scummy myself.
On June 18 2015 03:54 KelsierSC wrote: I'm going to leave this for now but I think i've made it quite clear that LS is scum and you should be voting for him if you're town.
On June 18 2015 03:54 KelsierSC wrote: I'm going to leave this for now but I think i've made it quite clear that LS is scum and you should be voting for him if you're town.
On June 18 2015 03:54 KelsierSC wrote: I'm going to leave this for now but I think i've made it quite clear that LS is scum and you should be voting for him if you're town.
I not I blue :O
you're not actually a blue because no blue would be that stupid.
I actually named VT weather you like it or not. I had claimed blue easly in my games as blue in the past.
On June 18 2015 04:09 Onegu wrote: Just saw something.
Going to PLynch LS. Going to do so every single time he claims blue in thread. Until he stops doing it.
##Vote: LightningStrike
You would rather lynch town than scum? Clearly you going for the most antitown move by lynching blue.
yo, you're a self proclaimed meta master. How would you describe KSC's play as scum vs town?
When I had played vs his scum he was more of a blue hunter than this (Carol of the Bells) but that was the only time I faced his scum. Although I can see him as a frustrated town more than anything due to the state of the thread but he normally much more calm as town O_o I still think Shockeyy can flip scum and thus would rather lynch Shockeyy.
On June 18 2015 04:09 Onegu wrote: Just saw something.
Going to PLynch LS. Going to do so every single time he claims blue in thread. Until he stops doing it.
##Vote: LightningStrike
You would rather lynch town than scum? Clearly you going for the most antitown move by lynching blue.
yo, you're a self proclaimed meta master. How would you describe KSC's play as scum vs town?
When I had played vs his scum he was more of a blue hunter than this (Carol of the Bells) but that was the only time I faced his scum. Although I can see him as a frustrated town more than anything due to the state of the thread but he normally much more calm as town O_o I still think Shockeyy can flip scum and thus would rather lynch Shockeyy.
is what VA said true? Does he get mad a lot even as town?
KSC does tend to get himself banned on TL a lot mainly though for balance whining about Protoss in SC2 lol.
On June 18 2015 04:09 Onegu wrote: Just saw something.
Going to PLynch LS. Going to do so every single time he claims blue in thread. Until he stops doing it.
##Vote: LightningStrike
You would rather lynch town than scum? Clearly you going for the most antitown move by lynching blue.
yo, you're a self proclaimed meta master. How would you describe KSC's play as scum vs town?
When I had played vs his scum he was more of a blue hunter than this (Carol of the Bells) but that was the only time I faced his scum. Although I can see him as a frustrated town more than anything due to the state of the thread but he normally much more calm as town O_o I still think Shockeyy can flip scum and thus would rather lynch Shockeyy.
is what VA said true? Does he get mad a lot even as town?
KSC does tend to get himself banned on TL a lot mainly though for balance whining about Protoss in SC2 lol.
He also doesn't seem to get to this extrme of mad from my memory of playing with him although it could be a bit fuzzy I had played with him like 4 times or so.
On June 18 2015 05:35 LightningStrike wrote: FYI I Never had claimed blue as scum before simple as that for the counter point to GB said I had claimed blue as scum before -_-
On June 18 2015 05:35 LightningStrike wrote: FYI I Never had claimed blue as scum before simple as that for the counter point to GB said I had claimed blue as scum before -_-
On June 17 2015 07:11 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote: My fucking VT claim. I really think HtS RNG machine is broken... Have rolled VT in everyone of her games...
Sorry that VT claim wont fly you already cashed in on that in XXX so nice try you must prove to us that you are town other than a VT claim :o
derp
What those two posts you quoted for when you said derp?
LS: "i never claim blue as scum" Onegu: "i only claim VT as town"
see it now?
choppa 4 reveals.
Onegu had claimed VT as scum too? I never had claimed blue as scum and I know I not scum this game but rather a named VT.
On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote: Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim?
Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time.
Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game.
When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy + Show Spoiler +
On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:
It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out.
And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town).
Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB + Show Spoiler +
On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote: Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games.
LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum?
I don't got anything original sorry Maybe Boxer his posts seemed pretty weird esp because it looked like he didn't really read the thread when he posted which more likely to come from scum. Also HF because here another rule about rsoultin: If one of HF or rsoultin is scum they don't get along which has been proven to be correct for the most part I townreading rsultin therefore he would be the scum by the rule. Also the LYLO rule about her is actually accurate she for the most part now being night killed at night 1 and night 2 as town so when she reaches LYLO she is scum. I willing to take the blame of town!shockeyy lynch if he flips town but I believe he will flip red.
On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote: Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim?
Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time.
Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game.
When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy + Show Spoiler +
On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:
It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out.
And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town).
Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB + Show Spoiler +
On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote: Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games.
LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum?
I don't got anything original sorry Maybe Boxer his posts seemed pretty weird esp because it looked like he didn't really read the thread when he posted which more likely to come from scum. Also HF because here another rule about rsoultin: If one of HF or rsoultin is scum they don't get along which has been proven to be correct for the most part I townreading rsultin therefore he would be the scum by the rule. Also the LYLO rule about her is actually accurate she for the most part now being night killed at night 1 and night 2 as town so when she reaches LYLO she is scum. I willing to take the blame of town!shockeyy lynch if he flips town but I believe he will flip red.
On June 18 2015 01:31 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly Boxerfred is new HF give it some time bro like Bugs said he only started playing Mafia recently :O
Honestly I decided to reread Boxer's filter after Mig commented about Boxer's stuff about timing and failing to deliver but I think if Boxer is town he will clear it up soonish but if he scum he prob wont do anything.
On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote: Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim?
Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time.
Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game.
When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy + Show Spoiler +
On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:
It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out.
And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town).
Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB + Show Spoiler +
On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote: Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games.
LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum?
I don't got anything original sorry Maybe Boxer his posts seemed pretty weird esp because it looked like he didn't really read the thread when he posted which more likely to come from scum. Also HF because here another rule about rsoultin: If one of HF or rsoultin is scum they don't get along which has been proven to be correct for the most part I townreading rsultin therefore he would be the scum by the rule. Also the LYLO rule about her is actually accurate she for the most part now being night killed at night 1 and night 2 as town so when she reaches LYLO she is scum. I willing to take the blame of town!shockeyy lynch if he flips town but I believe he will flip red.
What happened to this
On June 18 2015 01:31 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly Boxerfred is new HF give it some time bro like Bugs said he only started playing Mafia recently :O
Honestly I decided to reread Boxer's filter after Mig commented about Boxer's stuff about timing and failing to deliver but I think if Boxer is town he will clear it up soonish but if he scum he prob wont do anything.
you decided to re-read after mig commented on it...yeh I guess he is the only one who brought it up?? you said boxer is newish so why is he scum not new now?
when hf pinged him out you defended bf because he was a new player but what has changed, the posts are still the same.
I didn't really read his filter when I defended him honestly. I only really read his filter when Mig brought up Boxer's stuff regarding timing and failing to do promised stuff.
On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote: Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim?
Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time.
Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game.
When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy + Show Spoiler +
On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:
It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out.
And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town).
Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB + Show Spoiler +
On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote: Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games.
LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum?
I don't got anything original sorry Maybe Boxer his posts seemed pretty weird esp because it looked like he didn't really read the thread when he posted which more likely to come from scum. Also HF because here another rule about rsoultin: If one of HF or rsoultin is scum they don't get along which has been proven to be correct for the most part I townreading rsultin therefore he would be the scum by the rule. Also the LYLO rule about her is actually accurate she for the most part now being night killed at night 1 and night 2 as town so when she reaches LYLO she is scum. I willing to take the blame of town!shockeyy lynch if he flips town but I believe he will flip red.
What happened to this
On June 18 2015 01:31 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly Boxerfred is new HF give it some time bro like Bugs said he only started playing Mafia recently :O
Honestly I decided to reread Boxer's filter after Mig commented about Boxer's stuff about timing and failing to deliver but I think if Boxer is town he will clear it up soonish but if he scum he prob wont do anything.
you decided to re-read after mig commented on it...yeh I guess he is the only one who brought it up?? you said boxer is newish so why is he scum not new now?
when hf pinged him out you defended bf because he was a new player but what has changed, the posts are still the same.
I didn't really read his filter when I defended him honestly. I only really read his filter when Mig brought up Boxer's stuff regarding timing and failing to do promised stuff.
On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote: Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim?
Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time.
Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game.
When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy + Show Spoiler +
On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:
It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out.
And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town).
Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB + Show Spoiler +
On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote: Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games.
LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum?
I don't got anything original sorry Maybe Boxer his posts seemed pretty weird esp because it looked like he didn't really read the thread when he posted which more likely to come from scum. Also HF because here another rule about rsoultin: If one of HF or rsoultin is scum they don't get along which has been proven to be correct for the most part I townreading rsultin therefore he would be the scum by the rule. Also the LYLO rule about her is actually accurate she for the most part now being night killed at night 1 and night 2 as town so when she reaches LYLO she is scum. I willing to take the blame of town!shockeyy lynch if he flips town but I believe he will flip red.
What happened to this
On June 18 2015 01:31 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly Boxerfred is new HF give it some time bro like Bugs said he only started playing Mafia recently :O
Honestly I decided to reread Boxer's filter after Mig commented about Boxer's stuff about timing and failing to deliver but I think if Boxer is town he will clear it up soonish but if he scum he prob wont do anything.
you decided to re-read after mig commented on it...yeh I guess he is the only one who brought it up?? you said boxer is newish so why is he scum not new now?
when hf pinged him out you defended bf because he was a new player but what has changed, the posts are still the same.
I didn't really read his filter when I defended him honestly. I only really read his filter when Mig brought up Boxer's stuff regarding timing and failing to do promised stuff.
are you just trying to do as much anti-town shit as possible?
On June 18 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote: Why vote the guy who just replaced in? Like seriously that is the stupidist thing you would do other than voting a blue in me as a named VT..........
ls tell me what i've done this game since i'm the only one of two of your scum reads
I following the rsoultin rule here where if you and her don't get along one of you is mafia I got rsoultin as town therefore you scum by that rule
On June 18 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote: So can we stop picking on LS before drastic things happen?!?
But seriously LS I got you bud, don't worry partner.
Thanks bud I got your back too if someone thinks your scum
that's more of a curse at this point.
Me and Damdred get along really good when we are both town except when he loses total motivation to play. I sorry Damdred about that I will try not to mislynch again after that game!
On June 18 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote: Why vote the guy who just replaced in? Like seriously that is the stupidist thing you would do other than voting a blue in me as a named VT..........
ls tell me what i've done this game since i'm the only one of two of your scum reads
I following the rsoultin rule here where if you and her don't get along one of you is mafia I got rsoultin as town therefore you scum by that rule
yeh and as hf points out that is total stupid and arbitrary
You not seen the rule in effect before :o Check every game they been together and read their filters they regarding each other :o
On June 18 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote: So can we stop picking on LS before drastic things happen?!?
But seriously LS I got you bud, don't worry partner.
Thanks bud I got your back too if someone thinks your scum
that's more of a curse at this point.
Me and Damdred get along really good when we are both town except when he loses total motivation to play. I sorry Damdred about that I will try not to mislynch again after that game!
On June 18 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote: Why vote the guy who just replaced in? Like seriously that is the stupidist thing you would do other than voting a blue in me as a named VT..........
ls tell me what i've done this game since i'm the only one of two of your scum reads
I following the rsoultin rule here where if you and her don't get along one of you is mafia I got rsoultin as town therefore you scum by that rule
yeh and as hf points out that is total stupid and arbitrary
You not seen the rule in effect before :o Check every game they been together and read their filters they regarding each other :o
you haven't read any of this game at all where we were arguing and i used the exact rule to say she was mafia and she said it doesn't even work any more
so yeh ls, answer my questions because right now you're dropping farrrrrrrrrr down
What questions you got? I also going to take off in about 15 mins or so to play Pokemon TCG and Super Smash Bros 4/Melee so dump the questions in now!
On June 18 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote: Why vote the guy who just replaced in? Like seriously that is the stupidist thing you would do other than voting a blue in me as a named VT..........
ls tell me what i've done this game since i'm the only one of two of your scum reads
On June 18 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote: Why vote the guy who just replaced in? Like seriously that is the stupidist thing you would do other than voting a blue in me as a named VT..........
ls tell me what i've done this game since i'm the only one of two of your scum reads
I following the rsoultin rule here where if you and her don't get along one of you is mafia I got rsoultin as town therefore you scum by that rule
yeh and as hf points out that is total stupid and arbitrary
You not seen the rule in effect before :o Check every game they been together and read their filters they regarding each other :o
i'm not going to do that
your scum reads are totally arbitrary , you throw this hf scum read totally out of nowhere..ALONGSIDE A BF SCUM READ.
WHICH YOU ONLY GOT AFTER READING MIG....
EVEN THOUGH HF IS THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UP FIRST
YOU KNOW...THE OTHER GUY YOU SCUM READ>
but you probably didn't read that part either...like when you defended bf without reading him either.
holy shit why aren't there 13/14 votes on LS right now jesus christ.
Nothing except for going after Boxer that's all I remember from you and you been sidelining this game more than you normally do.
On June 18 2015 07:16 LightningStrike wrote: Damdred can you help defend me from meanie KSC and HF please? Also HF this game is going full GoT I don't want it go full GoT T_T
even if damdred turned into a moderator and confirmed you as town I wouldn't believe it.
Why you been so fucking rude this entire game like jesus dude take a chill pill or something or hell smoke weed or do crack cocaine if you must to calm down......
On June 18 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote: Why vote the guy who just replaced in? Like seriously that is the stupidist thing you would do other than voting a blue in me as a named VT..........
ls tell me what i've done this game since i'm the only one of two of your scum reads
4th time i've had to quote the same question now
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On June 18 2015 07:14 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:12 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:08 Holyflare wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote: Why vote the guy who just replaced in? Like seriously that is the stupidist thing you would do other than voting a blue in me as a named VT..........
ls tell me what i've done this game since i'm the only one of two of your scum reads
I following the rsoultin rule here where if you and her don't get along one of you is mafia I got rsoultin as town therefore you scum by that rule
yeh and as hf points out that is total stupid and arbitrary
You not seen the rule in effect before :o Check every game they been together and read their filters they regarding each other :o
i'm not going to do that
your scum reads are totally arbitrary , you throw this hf scum read totally out of nowhere..ALONGSIDE A BF SCUM READ.
WHICH YOU ONLY GOT AFTER READING MIG....
EVEN THOUGH HF IS THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UP FIRST
YOU KNOW...THE OTHER GUY YOU SCUM READ>
but you probably didn't read that part either...like when you defended bf without reading him either.
holy shit why aren't there 13/14 votes on LS right now jesus christ.
Nothing except for going after Boxer that's all I remember from you and you been sidelining this game more than you normally do.
if by sideline you mean 2nd or 3rd largest filter in the game....A+...
He barely contributed stuff as far I remember outside of Boxer and me.
On June 18 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote: Why vote the guy who just replaced in? Like seriously that is the stupidist thing you would do other than voting a blue in me as a named VT..........
ls tell me what i've done this game since i'm the only one of two of your scum reads
4th time i've had to quote the same question now
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On June 18 2015 07:14 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:12 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:10 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:09 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:08 Holyflare wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
On June 18 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote: Why vote the guy who just replaced in? Like seriously that is the stupidist thing you would do other than voting a blue in me as a named VT..........
ls tell me what i've done this game since i'm the only one of two of your scum reads
I following the rsoultin rule here where if you and her don't get along one of you is mafia I got rsoultin as town therefore you scum by that rule
yeh and as hf points out that is total stupid and arbitrary
You not seen the rule in effect before :o Check every game they been together and read their filters they regarding each other :o
i'm not going to do that
your scum reads are totally arbitrary , you throw this hf scum read totally out of nowhere..ALONGSIDE A BF SCUM READ.
WHICH YOU ONLY GOT AFTER READING MIG....
EVEN THOUGH HF IS THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UP FIRST
YOU KNOW...THE OTHER GUY YOU SCUM READ>
but you probably didn't read that part either...like when you defended bf without reading him either.
holy shit why aren't there 13/14 votes on LS right now jesus christ.
Nothing except for going after Boxer that's all I remember from you and you been sidelining this game more than you normally do.
so despite you using the read of "when hf and rsoultin bicker one of them is mafia" you don't remember any of the talks between myself and rsoultin and can't make any judgement then using generic meta reads on people like your onegu "can't claim vt any more" and the bickering thing and defending bf as being new without reading any of his posts and trying to shut down an argument you now believe mig put forward??????
if you remember me going after boxer why the hell did you say mig said the stuff which made you read boxer when i've been writing that all day, you'd think you'd want to read someone you've been scum reading right?
Because I was lazy about reading filters because the thread was much more interesting ans only read filters when prompted by others. Will look at your filter when I get back from Pokemon/Smash to judge you on content only.
Okay I back and decided to filter dive HF since I said I would and on content he's town in my book despite me not liking his first two pages of his filter but don't lynch him Day 1 guys he better to lynch later like Day 3 or Day 4 when he shouldn't ever be alive based on reputation (He normally Night 1d or Night 2d as town).The replaced guy actually looks pretty townie from what I looked at idk why BM would not post at all or play when he /confirmed but his replacement actually doing some stuff I adding him to the town pile for now.
On June 18 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote: Also I really agree with bugs on the LS claim and also agree with rsoul that if he is doing it as scum his teammates have been telling him to do it which basically clear up an world of LS/KSC scum pair because he was the only one to pressure him hardcore i felt. Yay for associative reads. Yet LS just claiming then not doing anything but defending himself with his blue claim feels really scummy. Can you do stuff man, if you are town I know you have it in you.
People been pressuring non stop what else was I suppose to do -_-
On June 17 2015 07:19 NydusHerMain wrote: "My fucking vt claim"
Just feels like really awkward phrasing. Doesn't feel genuine, kinda like he's missing a couple of words.
I feel like this is pretty awful
On June 17 2015 07:25 NydusHerMain wrote: I don't like kelsier either. Stupid thing to go on rofl. I think that if I saw someone else post what I did I'd be like "great that doesn't really mean anything. Let's move on" haha
at least he realizes he's awful
On June 17 2015 07:42 GlowingBear wrote: The SUPER AWESOME PRELIMINARY READS LIST REGARDING THE FIRST 3 PAGES OF THE THREAD
Probs town LS Nydus
Probs mafai Boxerfred Onegu
Yeah. This little.
feels off
the tone of his posting is to trollish. as town he seems more dickish and tryhard. no like.
this is what I have so far
you guys deal with it
Rayn pls
Why go smurf hunt if the guy is a smurf esp given what happened in our last game? This seems confusing because Bugs did this on to you last game and now you doing this? Very odd.
On June 18 2015 11:23 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I back and decided to filter dive HF since I said I would and on content he's town in my book despite me not liking his first two pages of his filter but don't lynch him Day 1 guys he better to lynch later like Day 3 or Day 4 when he shouldn't ever be alive based on reputation (He normally Night 1d or Night 2d as town).The replaced guy actually looks pretty townie from what I looked at idk why BM would not post at all or play when he /confirmed but his replacement actually doing some stuff I adding him to the town pile for now.
um you realise the new guy has made like one post?
He posted 6 times but his content I like it a lot myself hence why I town reading him.
The tone of your posts flips from townreading to scumreading pretty much every other post. You're not pressuring a soul but the afk.
bugs we're not lynching me. Find a better target
Thoughts on Shockeyy so far?
Later. If you're impatient read my filter
You think scum from what I read in your filter O_o
Didn't like his list post, agree with damdy that town generally does the fuck off type posting though, so scumlean but not the most interesting person in the thread to me presently
Well I posted a quote that was listish post which was his first reads of the game what you think of it compared his list post this game?
Dude i'm on my phone. You know i'm going to want to follow up in the thrwas that was posted in. This has to wait until I get home tonight
On June 18 2015 02:51 rsoultin wrote: Meh I give up lol I suck at phone posting
That should have said admitted to skimming the thread. I'll post tonight when I don't have.to.fight the phone
Also can't.keep up.with the thread
At nhm...don't give a damn go away
On June 18 2015 03:50 rsoultin wrote: lol that's all well and good
phone
posting
wait
sides XP I'm not getring lynched this game
2-3 of the ppl on me don't even want to lynch me today, so you can take.your threats somewhere else
If I were posting from my phone, I wouldn't use it as an excuse to ignore things. If you hate it so much, then stop trying to do anything on your phone and using it as an excuse to spam up the thread and create yourself a larger filter to go through.
On June 17 2015 13:26 Holyflare wrote: yes but the fact the game started without him being replaced means he had to have confirmed his pm in like the last 30 mins before the game started and then just did nothing
...
lol that's a good point, i didn't think about the confirmation timing
super duper awesome lazy would lynch list of lazyness, GO!
hey >> not a mind reader lol
nh take fidei off otherwise...ignoring your spoilered ones presently...the unspoilered ones are fine with me otherwise
so, putting this out here on the chance that oneg is being especially lazy as town...if you give me nothing to read you by i'll assume this is the scum game you chose to break meta with <3
You made a point in saying that the majority of your reads are based on meta. If Onegu, according to your meta read, is town when he's inactive (because he supposedly doesn't like playing as town), why would this be the game where you break your meta read on him now when you're holding onto your metareads on other people?
nice catch bro
GB I'm disappointed. You sounded like you wanted to come out and play but you didn't, and now you're doing dumb shit like voting random lurkers. Are you scum again?
Wanted to bring this up again.
GB - This vote is extremely weird (even tho it's not really a vote, why even mention it?)
On June 18 2015 04:54 wherebugsgo wrote: and my read on him is not a "too dumb to be scum" thing which falls into the same category as what I described. It is dumb, but you need to ignore the fact that it is a dumb play. Dumb plays are normally not alignment indicative. It's the fact that the play attracts attention that is important. A claim day 1 attracts too much attention to ever be made by scum. Scum counter claim and make claims in situations where they absolutely have to in order to win. When they don't they've usually made a huge mistake and they often get punished really hard for it. If LS were scum here he'd know that a fake claim on day 1 would cause him to take a lot of attention and he'd never do that because his style is to slide by without actually doing anything or taking any attention.
To call him scum for a play that is quite literally antithetical to his playstyle is quite possibly dumber than the play he did himself.
What if I say that claiming a blue role with little pressure is his scum meta?
If you're saying that you are truly terrible as town. He didn't do that last game and I didn't see him do that in the games that I read. If he has done it as scum before then it's probably complete coincidence, because the claim itself is not alignment indicative.
I don't know how many different ways I can say this but surface-level things are not indicators of anything. Stop using them in shitty ways to confirm your own biases.
Thanks, I was looking for this answer.
VA, I want to lynch you by a PoE tbh. I'm trying to see what people think of you.
Then GB completely backs off.
NHM - Great post by him, definitely can see him coming from a town perspective, other than his read on me which severely lacks a case against me, yet votes for me because others are.
On June 18 2015 02:06 NydusHerMain wrote: Ye Grande Ole Town Circle
LightningStrike - I don't personally see you as particularly towny but I'm sure you've been spewed by now. People are giving you town reads like candy and so many people are saying that your scum meta is so weak that I'll trust them. At least one of the people reading you town for the meta has to be town.
HolyFlare - For the reasons I mentioned before, I think that his early play was so calm and I guess kinda suicidal that I don't think he's scum for it. I think that what he did is something that people could see as scum really easily and being an experienced player, I don't think that he would do that as scum. He wasn't really building cases, OMGUSing, etc. and I feel like under pressure he would've tried to do more of that if he was scum. Looks like bored town to me slowly turning into a scum hunting butterfly. He's also paying attention to time stamps and stuff which I like.
Breshke - Kind of feels like he's coming from a towny perspective? I liked his earlier posting with his soft/hard defense of bugs, not so much his last bit. Feels like he's paying attention to detail and trying to construct a decent town circle even though I don't agree with some of them I like his reasoning for it. Only thing to mention here is that I think he might be tip toeing around giving a read on RS. Would be interesting to see RS's flip and see what kind of interaction we can gather from them. Either way, he's not my lynch for today.
Vayne - I wish he gave a good reason for calling Damdred scum but I'm townreading him for not giving a read on Damdred at all. He gave like 3 scum reads and 2 of them were practically AFK. I asked him for his reasoning for including Damdred scum because not only did he stick out in that list, I had him as scum as well. He said he didn't really have a reason and that most people were just AFK reads. I think that as scum, your best way to blend in with town is to give substantiation behind your reads and to have people you call super town or super mafia, etc. The way he's posting kind of feels like to me that he is genuinely trying to make a town circle in his head (though his posts reeks of him only skimming and not paying attention to detail). Doesn't feel like a mafia trying to fabricate reads.
KelsierSC - Straight up his interaction with me when we were talking about Onegu was very towny imo. I think that most people would've called my push on Onegu as weak and bad, even if Onegu ends up being scum, because even I thought that my reason for thinking that Onegu was scummy was kind of weak and I tried to get us back on track of finding actual reasons for calling people scum. Kelsier went a bit deeper and found what I think was a pretty good reason as to why Onegu could've done what he did as scum, way better than mine but off of what I posted. Also, his response here was really sick and sounded town to me. (I HAVE A FEELING I'M GOING TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS READ AGAIN BECAUSE GRAMMAR)
GlowingBear - I had a bad feeling about him before but honestly, I think that if he was scum, he'd stick to his probably town read on me and wouldn't flip on it so easily after like two posts. It's going to stay in the back of my mind because I don't think the flip to me being neutral felt natural but meh it's a small thing. Otherwise, he's been really putting himself out there in terms of what all of his reads are and he's at least been interacting with me and trying to see how I think about some of him reads. For example, I asked him about his read on Onegu as scum and he changed that and then he proceeded to ask me why I didn't comment about his other scum read which, to be honest, was also a weak reason in the same vein as his scum read on Onegu. Seems like he's a little hesitant to push on anyone but I'll give him a town read for today.
Those are my towns at the moment. I have a couple of leaning town but I can't really explain them really well. Most of it is just tone. Similarly, a lot of my scum are lurkers and I'm willing to lynch almost anyone with less than 1 page of filter (except Vayne) but the main people I want to look at that have posted so far are Damdred and Shockey.
Damdred - I don't think that Damdred is bringing on the fire that he I expected him bring. I think that as town, he's more likely to be annoyed that people are calling him scum and would ask people specifically as people call him scummy why they think so. ESPECIALLY when most people aren't explaining why they think he's mafia. Wouldn't that infuriate him if he was town? I think he's trying to avoid it because he isn't really under much heat and he can just avoid getting voted on by not really addressing it since most people will probably forget they have him as scum.
Shockey - I kind of liked that he gave a lot of reads at first but the way he's talking about his wife's birthday, etc. It just feels kind of fake to me and it feels like he's trying to make an excuse as to why he's posting so scummy (to people who thought his post was scummy). Gives me a very weird vibe.
Oh fuck I forgot. Boxerfred gives me bad vibes too but I'll say it in another post. This WoT is probably becoming unreadable.
##Vote: Shockey
On June 18 2015 02:08 NydusHerMain wrote: Shockey is also pretty defensive (I wouldn't say super defensive) and doesn't really seem to be scum hunting.
It's hard to scum hunt D1 opening though. It makes things much easier once there is a lot of posts (there was more than 30 since I last posted).
The tone of your posts flips from townreading to scumreading pretty much every other post. You're not pressuring a soul but the afk.
bugs we're not lynching me. Find a better target
Thoughts on Shockeyy so far?
Completely starts trying to take away any suspicions on himself and tries to attack the inactive player (me) atm.
On June 18 2015 07:16 LightningStrike wrote: Damdred can you help defend me from meanie KSC and HF please? Also HF this game is going full GoT I don't want it go full GoT T_T
Stop asking for other players help to defend you. You should be defending yourself, you have no case against me. You just thought it would be the easiest because I've barely posted.
On June 18 2015 07:22 LightningStrike wrote: Also everyone go after Shockeyy please he should flip scum I also willing to switch Boxer if a Shockeyy lynch not going to happen.
Continue to attack me while I'm not even around? GJ. This post shows why LS is scum - he's willing to throw his "case" against me away to jump on a train that won't allow him to be lynched.
Will be posting a follow up after I'm completely updated on the thread. My LS read made me go into his filter which might have a few quotes past the current page I'm on, but those posts about me are just disgusting.
I seen town attack scum while they weren't around either? (Refering to Marv attacking rsoultin Day 4 I think that got rsoultin to concede) btw I am a named VT so suck it
On June 18 2015 03:54 KelsierSC wrote: I'm going to leave this for now but I think i've made it quite clear that LS is scum and you should be voting for him if you're town.
I not I blue :O
On day 1? We haven't even had a night post and didn't Onegu claim VT too? So we then have two VT's? Which one is it?
On June 18 2015 11:52 ShoCkeyy wrote: What you mean this?
On June 18 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 03:54 KelsierSC wrote: I'm going to leave this for now but I think i've made it quite clear that LS is scum and you should be voting for him if you're town.
I not I blue :O
On day 1? We haven't even had a night post and didn't Onegu claim VT too? So we then have two VT's? Which one is it?
On June 18 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote: Also I really agree with bugs on the LS claim and also agree with rsoul that if he is doing it as scum his teammates have been telling him to do it which basically clear up an world of LS/KSC scum pair because he was the only one to pressure him hardcore i felt. Yay for associative reads. Yet LS just claiming then not doing anything but defending himself with his blue claim feels really scummy. Can you do stuff man, if you are town I know you have it in you.
People been pressuring non stop what else was I suppose to do -_-
Does repeating "im blue" do anything? They know you claimed.
On June 18 2015 11:52 ShoCkeyy wrote: What you mean this?
On June 18 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 03:54 KelsierSC wrote: I'm going to leave this for now but I think i've made it quite clear that LS is scum and you should be voting for him if you're town.
I not I blue :O
On day 1? We haven't even had a night post and didn't Onegu claim VT too? So we then have two VT's? Which one is it?
On June 18 2015 04:54 wherebugsgo wrote: and my read on him is not a "too dumb to be scum" thing which falls into the same category as what I described. It is dumb, but you need to ignore the fact that it is a dumb play. Dumb plays are normally not alignment indicative. It's the fact that the play attracts attention that is important. A claim day 1 attracts too much attention to ever be made by scum. Scum counter claim and make claims in situations where they absolutely have to in order to win. When they don't they've usually made a huge mistake and they often get punished really hard for it. If LS were scum here he'd know that a fake claim on day 1 would cause him to take a lot of attention and he'd never do that because his style is to slide by without actually doing anything or taking any attention.
To call him scum for a play that is quite literally antithetical to his playstyle is quite possibly dumber than the play he did himself.
What if I say that claiming a blue role with little pressure is his scum meta?
On June 18 2015 05:35 LightningStrike wrote: FYI I Never had claimed blue as scum before simple as that for the counter point to GB said I had claimed blue as scum before -_-
On June 17 2015 07:11 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 17 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote: My fucking VT claim. I really think HtS RNG machine is broken... Have rolled VT in everyone of her games...
Sorry that VT claim wont fly you already cashed in on that in XXX so nice try you must prove to us that you are town other than a VT claim :o
derp
What those two posts you quoted for when you said derp?
LS: "i never claim blue as scum" Onegu: "i only claim VT as town"
see it now?
choppa 4 reveals.
Onegu had claimed VT as scum too? I never had claimed blue as scum and I know I not scum this game but rather a named VT.
Jesus.
You're literally making the same argument to defend yourself that you discredited early in the game. For many games Onegu only claimed VT as town, then guess what? He broke the trend. Wow! Hey look your defense sux cuz logic. Also dunno why you're even defending yourself if you're actually blue.
Then you don't even reply to that, but you reply to KSC voting you and disappear once again. You disappeared when there was clearly a discussion going on about you between, holyflare, KSC, bugs, GB and VA on pages 53,54. 30 minute different? It seemed like you were clearly around.
On June 18 2015 05:35 LightningStrike wrote: FYI I Never had claimed blue as scum before simple as that for the counter point to GB said I had claimed blue as scum before -_-
##vote LightningStrike
I never ever had claimed blue as scum and when I flip blue they will lynch you I promise you 1000% that they will lynch you that how sure I am to think you are scum. If I not scum then who the hell is scum?
On June 18 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote: Also I really agree with bugs on the LS claim and also agree with rsoul that if he is doing it as scum his teammates have been telling him to do it which basically clear up an world of LS/KSC scum pair because he was the only one to pressure him hardcore i felt. Yay for associative reads. Yet LS just claiming then not doing anything but defending himself with his blue claim feels really scummy. Can you do stuff man, if you are town I know you have it in you.
People been pressuring non stop what else was I suppose to do -_-
Does repeating "im blue" do anything? They know you claimed.
Talk about other stuff
Ya want to lynch Shockeyy with me?
I want you to convince me why I should lynch shockey
TLDR Case on Shockeyy: 1. His list post was rather shitty in terms of reasons 2. He been making excuses for his poor play 3. Some of posts seemed forced I will to vote Boxerfred if Shockeyy doesn't appear to be the lynch today but I think Shockeyy is worse than Boxer atm.
On June 17 2015 07:19 NydusHerMain wrote: "My fucking vt claim"
Just feels like really awkward phrasing. Doesn't feel genuine, kinda like he's missing a couple of words.
I feel like this is pretty awful
On June 17 2015 07:25 NydusHerMain wrote: I don't like kelsier either. Stupid thing to go on rofl. I think that if I saw someone else post what I did I'd be like "great that doesn't really mean anything. Let's move on" haha
at least he realizes he's awful
On June 17 2015 07:42 GlowingBear wrote: The SUPER AWESOME PRELIMINARY READS LIST REGARDING THE FIRST 3 PAGES OF THE THREAD
Probs town LS Nydus
Probs mafai Boxerfred Onegu
Yeah. This little.
feels off
the tone of his posting is to trollish. as town he seems more dickish and tryhard. no like.
this is what I have so far
you guys deal with it
Rayn pls
Why go smurf hunt if the guy is a smurf esp given what happened in our last game? This seems confusing because Bugs did this on to you last game and now you doing this? Very odd.
LOL LS now I really want to vote you, just for this. I've NEVER called him scum nor town for smurfing and it makes no difference to me to define his alignment, which was EXACTLY what bugs was doing last game.
Bad Bear I not scum I already told you I Named VT not fucking anything else bro -_-
On June 17 2015 07:19 NydusHerMain wrote: "My fucking vt claim"
Just feels like really awkward phrasing. Doesn't feel genuine, kinda like he's missing a couple of words.
I feel like this is pretty awful
On June 17 2015 07:25 NydusHerMain wrote: I don't like kelsier either. Stupid thing to go on rofl. I think that if I saw someone else post what I did I'd be like "great that doesn't really mean anything. Let's move on" haha
at least he realizes he's awful
On June 17 2015 07:42 GlowingBear wrote: The SUPER AWESOME PRELIMINARY READS LIST REGARDING THE FIRST 3 PAGES OF THE THREAD
Probs town LS Nydus
Probs mafai Boxerfred Onegu
Yeah. This little.
feels off
the tone of his posting is to trollish. as town he seems more dickish and tryhard. no like.
this is what I have so far
you guys deal with it
Rayn pls
Why go smurf hunt if the guy is a smurf esp given what happened in our last game? This seems confusing because Bugs did this on to you last game and now you doing this? Very odd.
LOL LS now I really want to vote you, just for this. I've NEVER called him scum nor town for smurfing and it makes no difference to me to define his alignment, which was EXACTLY what bugs was doing last game.
Bad Bear I not scum I already told you I Named VT not fucking anything else bro -_-
You said it's odd that I'm smurf hunting when I just said RAYN PLS.
Like.
PLS.
Your claim doesn't mean much when you keep doing scummy things, dear.
On June 18 2015 13:16 ShoCkeyy wrote: What kind of response is that? And why are you linking your own game??? Anybody can change there meta while saying "read my past meta". It's not hard.
I can't play like I am as scum check the entire database for all my games as both alignments plus that game we just played together -_-
On June 18 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote: Also I really agree with bugs on the LS claim and also agree with rsoul that if he is doing it as scum his teammates have been telling him to do it which basically clear up an world of LS/KSC scum pair because he was the only one to pressure him hardcore i felt. Yay for associative reads. Yet LS just claiming then not doing anything but defending himself with his blue claim feels really scummy. Can you do stuff man, if you are town I know you have it in you.
People been pressuring non stop what else was I suppose to do -_-
Does repeating "im blue" do anything? They know you claimed.
Talk about other stuff
Ya want to lynch Shockeyy with me?
I want you to convince me why I should lynch shockey
TLDR Case on Shockeyy: 1. His list post was rather shitty in terms of reasons 2. He been making excuses for his poor play 3. Some of posts seemed forced I will to vote Boxerfred if Shockeyy doesn't appear to be the lynch today but I think Shockeyy is worse than Boxer atm.
Could you quote the posts which you think seem forced.
These:
On June 17 2015 09:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: rsoultin - idk wtf they're posting atm KelsierSC - reminds me of bugs, a butthole, but a town butthole Bill Murray - idk ritoky - Channel 4 Choppa ShoCkeyy - Town Onegu - Misclaim to VT? We'll see, I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt. Holyflare - Opening/Only post claims town lol. Damdred + Show Spoiler +
On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote: So ok claiming town which means ls is scum
On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote: I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already.
Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any
seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit
you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating
Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point.
I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads.
Kel is just a maybe town.
I know I'm town obviously
I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that
you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value.
There are two types of people that play mafia
1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta
LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree.
As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish.
He's town to me at this juncture.
So Damdred, which one is it? Is LS scum cause you're town, or is LS town and you're scum? Or are you both town or scum?
On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote: current state of the thread:
more updates to come.
choppa 4 on the scene.
Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening?
Give it a day or two...
Damdred can you substantiate your reads a bit please? Especially on LS and that other guy? Last game you were one of the first ones to give content and you gave pretty good explanations on each of them...
You posted afterwards but never responded to this.
On June 17 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote: Evening guys. In case you haven't played with me before, this is my second game (first was Holy Guardians). Heading to bed now, but it looks like there'll be a ton of posts ready for me when I wake up ...
Why post this if 40 mins later you're going to post again?
On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote: Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read.
I better see poking this game
Breshke - His posting currently comes off as town to me atm Mig - waiting GlowingBear - Who knows, acts like a child when things don't go his way in town/scum games. LightningStrike - Acting like he cares? I don't know yet, but his posting looks familiar with his last game where he was scum (not caring about what he writes) wherebugsgo - Ego town butthole VayneAuthority - Not much boxerfred - First post is what?
Going to leave now, in-laws are in town.
Context of that post: He haven't posted for a little over 1 hour and seemed kinda forced to give a list of reads plus I felt like his reads weren't as insightful as his last game like when he was around he was pushing shit more than did this game.
On June 17 2015 22:51 ShoCkeyy wrote: Alright going to try and get this going here. I don't get why people care so much about activity? It's been known since this forum even started that people lurk and will always lurk. I can't be posting all day and night as some others here cause I own four businesses + consult major businesses. I use mafia as a past time and can post when I have free time. If you like my activity great, if you don't sucks for you. At least I try and help the town win rather than post non-sense and spam up the thread.
@Breshke - It's not that I didn't care about my read, is that every one and their mothers is already giving their read on LS. Why do I need to ask a question that was already answer?
@KSC - I don't get why you think I was going after damdred? It was just an early post to get more info on him and in return he got info out of me. I never even claimed I think he's mafia. If anything, his reads seem town motivated.
The list post I made was just have my notes out early. Today alone is my wife's birthday and I have planned to spend it with her - I even posted before game started I will be active mornings and nights (nights meaning before bed time).
@LS - I have, but I haven't been able to deep dive into them. Currently, I'm basing your posting style to your previous game we played together.
I'll be back at night and post follow up responses. I will also try to respond from my phone if possible.
Outside the questions in that post it seemed much more fluff than anything.
Because from the way I read it was like you calling him Rayn(Who is usually a jerk as scum) and we shouldn't really care about the smurf's aka as long they help us as town.
On June 18 2015 13:37 GlowingBear wrote: Breshke, what is your read on Kelsier?
Lean town
I liked his list post a while back, reads felt good. Seems fairly tunneled on LS but when you read over it it feels fairly townie because LS hasn't really given him a reason to get out of that tunnel other than claiming blue but i understand why this would not change ksc's opinion.
You could also look at it that ksc is jsut trying to push ane asy misslynch but when i read his posts i feel real frustration from him when LS doesn't really give him any answers. So i think it is much more likely to be a townie thing.
How about yourself? Other than the length of his filter.
I tried to answer his questions to the best of my abilities it just he's to tunneled on me to think it from my perspective -_-
On June 18 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote: Also I really agree with bugs on the LS claim and also agree with rsoul that if he is doing it as scum his teammates have been telling him to do it which basically clear up an world of LS/KSC scum pair because he was the only one to pressure him hardcore i felt. Yay for associative reads. Yet LS just claiming then not doing anything but defending himself with his blue claim feels really scummy. Can you do stuff man, if you are town I know you have it in you.
People been pressuring non stop what else was I suppose to do -_-
Does repeating "im blue" do anything? They know you claimed.
Talk about other stuff
Ya want to lynch Shockeyy with me?
I want you to convince me why I should lynch shockey
TLDR Case on Shockeyy: 1. His list post was rather shitty in terms of reasons 2. He been making excuses for his poor play 3. Some of posts seemed forced I will to vote Boxerfred if Shockeyy doesn't appear to be the lynch today but I think Shockeyy is worse than Boxer atm.
Could you quote the posts which you think seem forced.
These:
On June 17 2015 09:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: rsoultin - idk wtf they're posting atm KelsierSC - reminds me of bugs, a butthole, but a town butthole Bill Murray - idk ritoky - Channel 4 Choppa ShoCkeyy - Town Onegu - Misclaim to VT? We'll see, I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt. Holyflare - Opening/Only post claims town lol. Damdred + Show Spoiler +
On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote: So ok claiming town which means ls is scum
On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote: I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already.
Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any
seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit
you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating
Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point.
I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads.
Kel is just a maybe town.
I know I'm town obviously
I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that
you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value.
There are two types of people that play mafia
1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta
LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree.
As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish.
He's town to me at this juncture.
So Damdred, which one is it? Is LS scum cause you're town, or is LS town and you're scum? Or are you both town or scum?
On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote: current state of the thread:
more updates to come.
choppa 4 on the scene.
Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening?
Give it a day or two...
Damdred can you substantiate your reads a bit please? Especially on LS and that other guy? Last game you were one of the first ones to give content and you gave pretty good explanations on each of them...
You posted afterwards but never responded to this.
On June 17 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote: Evening guys. In case you haven't played with me before, this is my second game (first was Holy Guardians). Heading to bed now, but it looks like there'll be a ton of posts ready for me when I wake up ...
Why post this if 40 mins later you're going to post again?
On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote: Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read.
I better see poking this game
Breshke - His posting currently comes off as town to me atm Mig - waiting GlowingBear - Who knows, acts like a child when things don't go his way in town/scum games. LightningStrike - Acting like he cares? I don't know yet, but his posting looks familiar with his last game where he was scum (not caring about what he writes) wherebugsgo - Ego town butthole VayneAuthority - Not much boxerfred - First post is what?
Going to leave now, in-laws are in town.
Context of that post: He haven't posted for a little over 1 hour and seemed kinda forced to give a list of reads plus I felt like his reads weren't as insightful as his last game like when he was around he was pushing shit more than did this game.
On June 17 2015 22:51 ShoCkeyy wrote: Alright going to try and get this going here. I don't get why people care so much about activity? It's been known since this forum even started that people lurk and will always lurk. I can't be posting all day and night as some others here cause I own four businesses + consult major businesses. I use mafia as a past time and can post when I have free time. If you like my activity great, if you don't sucks for you. At least I try and help the town win rather than post non-sense and spam up the thread.
@Breshke - It's not that I didn't care about my read, is that every one and their mothers is already giving their read on LS. Why do I need to ask a question that was already answer?
@KSC - I don't get why you think I was going after damdred? It was just an early post to get more info on him and in return he got info out of me. I never even claimed I think he's mafia. If anything, his reads seem town motivated.
The list post I made was just have my notes out early. Today alone is my wife's birthday and I have planned to spend it with her - I even posted before game started I will be active mornings and nights (nights meaning before bed time).
@LS - I have, but I haven't been able to deep dive into them. Currently, I'm basing your posting style to your previous game we played together.
I'll be back at night and post follow up responses. I will also try to respond from my phone if possible.
Outside the questions in that post it seemed much more fluff than anything.
So your three reasons for scumming him were
1 bad list post 2. makes excuses 3. posts seemed forced
But 3 is actually just 1 and 2 because the posts you said seemed forced are the list post and him making an excuse.
Frankly i don't think shockey saying shit about not posting much is alignment indicative for him since he did it in witch (might have been post game) but he did do it so it is something he would complain about as either alignment.
I don't know what to say to you LS it doesn't feel like you really think he is scum.
I really do think he's scum I will be extremely honest to you on that. Also I think he did post something about him not much like Day 2/Night 2 area when the game was ending pretty much. But still before that he didn't make really any excuses for not posting in Witchcraft. Here's his filter from there if you want to read it for yourself: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?user=ShoCkeyy
Because from the way I read it was like you calling him Rayn(Who is usually a jerk as scum) and we shouldn't really care about the smurf's aka as long they help us as town.
Here is my problem:
I never intended to put effort in smurf hunting by calling him Rayn. I do this everytime with smurfs.
Your interpretation was a huge overreaction.
But the biggest problem is not that you looked at me and said: "GB we shouldn't smurf hunt dude" if you really read me as town. My concern is that you just posted "WOW YOU'RE SMURF HUNTING THAT'S ODD" in such a way that you clearly was throwing suspicions at me.
Why throwing suspicions like that on someone you think is town instead of simply SUGGESTING that I should not scum hunt?
On June 12 2015 04:59 ShoCkeyy wrote: Well, if it's like that, I'll just bounce. I have a lot of business I should be dealing with, but I thought this would entertain me in some way outside of business. I can't really provide the effort and time that most of you put into this. Sorry if my reads are "worthless", but they're my honest opinions on people after reading through the thread. Remember, I'm playing from a town point of view, any of you can be mafia to me still. I rather have many coinflips than many town players and end up getting fucked.
On June 13 2015 10:15 ShoCkeyy wrote: See like right now is perfect for me to play, no gf at home, all my business is taken care of and I actually have time to post. Activity is what really kills me and my posting ;\
Both of these are from witch LS and i see both of them as him talking about not being able to post much. The second one is from post game i think
He been complaining about it more this game than last game if I reading his posts correctly this game. The 2nd one was pretty much end of game area.
On June 18 2015 13:52 ritoky wrote: ugh i am in such a bad headspace right now. reading this thread making me angrier.
why so angry?
real life shit and LS' posting.
i am about to say some fucking anti-town shit and i don't give a fuck. unless LS gets to a place where i can town read him for the remainder of the game today or there is slam dunk mafia i am probably voting on him. and i actually somewhat believe his blue claim is real. the problem is the guy keeps spewing anti-town sentiment every time he posts, seriously....he is going to be left alive all fucking game on this question mark of a claim and every phase we are gonna do the "whooaaaa should i lynch him today? dance" and it will probably cost town the fucking game.
oh an if you're gonna fucking claim masons with damdred instead of your named VT shit, just do it. you're not subtle in the slightest. since you already claimed blue, if you don't do it now never gonna believe that shit.
the state of this game angers me because i think the two people playing the most anti-town are likely town and we are in terrible trouble.
Hey if you not going to vote me who you going to vote? I gave a TLDR case on Shockeyy in my filter if you want to read it and put your own input in there
On June 18 2015 14:02 Breshke wrote: LS you still havn't convinced me on shockeyy.
Ive shown you he talked about not being able to post a lot in a game where he was town. So why do his excuses this game make him scum?
He doing it more this game than last game as far I can read his post if I had read them correctly with his wording and pretty much it added nothing really just seemed like he making more excuses this game than last game I played with him. What's your experience playing with him?
On June 18 2015 13:52 ritoky wrote: ugh i am in such a bad headspace right now. reading this thread making me angrier.
why so angry?
real life shit and LS' posting.
i am about to say some fucking anti-town shit and i don't give a fuck. unless LS gets to a place where i can town read him for the remainder of the game today or there is slam dunk mafia i am probably voting on him. and i actually somewhat believe his blue claim is real. the problem is the guy keeps spewing anti-town sentiment every time he posts, seriously....he is going to be left alive all fucking game on this question mark of a claim and every phase we are gonna do the "whooaaaa should i lynch him today? dance" and it will probably cost town the fucking game.
oh an if you're gonna fucking claim masons with damdred instead of your named VT shit, just do it. you're not subtle in the slightest. since you already claimed blue, if you don't do it now never gonna believe that shit.
the state of this game angers me because i think the two people playing the most anti-town are likely town and we are in terrible trouble.
Hey if you not going to vote me who you going to vote? I gave a TLDR case on Shockeyy in my filter if you want to read it and put your own input in there
it convinced me about 1% of his alignment. so pretty much garbo
On June 18 2015 13:52 ritoky wrote: ugh i am in such a bad headspace right now. reading this thread making me angrier.
why so angry?
real life shit and LS' posting.
i am about to say some fucking anti-town shit and i don't give a fuck. unless LS gets to a place where i can town read him for the remainder of the game today or there is slam dunk mafia i am probably voting on him. and i actually somewhat believe his blue claim is real. the problem is the guy keeps spewing anti-town sentiment every time he posts, seriously....he is going to be left alive all fucking game on this question mark of a claim and every phase we are gonna do the "whooaaaa should i lynch him today? dance" and it will probably cost town the fucking game.
oh an if you're gonna fucking claim masons with damdred instead of your named VT shit, just do it. you're not subtle in the slightest. since you already claimed blue, if you don't do it now never gonna believe that shit.
the state of this game angers me because i think the two people playing the most anti-town are likely town and we are in terrible trouble.
The second one being...?
bugs
I like when you're angry.
I'm sure you're town now
<3
I had seen him play angry as scum but I think he's town this game he seemed pretty much carefree this game up to this point just sayin
On June 18 2015 13:52 ritoky wrote: ugh i am in such a bad headspace right now. reading this thread making me angrier.
why so angry?
real life shit and LS' posting.
i am about to say some fucking anti-town shit and i don't give a fuck. unless LS gets to a place where i can town read him for the remainder of the game today or there is slam dunk mafia i am probably voting on him. and i actually somewhat believe his blue claim is real. the problem is the guy keeps spewing anti-town sentiment every time he posts, seriously....he is going to be left alive all fucking game on this question mark of a claim and every phase we are gonna do the "whooaaaa should i lynch him today? dance" and it will probably cost town the fucking game.
oh an if you're gonna fucking claim masons with damdred instead of your named VT shit, just do it. you're not subtle in the slightest. since you already claimed blue, if you don't do it now never gonna believe that shit.
the state of this game angers me because i think the two people playing the most anti-town are likely town and we are in terrible trouble.
Hey if you not going to vote me who you going to vote? I gave a TLDR case on Shockeyy in my filter if you want to read it and put your own input in there
it convinced me about 1% of his alignment. so pretty much garbo
On June 18 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote: Also I really agree with bugs on the LS claim and also agree with rsoul that if he is doing it as scum his teammates have been telling him to do it which basically clear up an world of LS/KSC scum pair because he was the only one to pressure him hardcore i felt. Yay for associative reads. Yet LS just claiming then not doing anything but defending himself with his blue claim feels really scummy. Can you do stuff man, if you are town I know you have it in you.
People been pressuring non stop what else was I suppose to do -_-
Does repeating "im blue" do anything? They know you claimed.
Talk about other stuff
Ya want to lynch Shockeyy with me?
I want you to convince me why I should lynch shockey
TLDR Case on Shockeyy: 1. His list post was rather shitty in terms of reasons 2. He been making excuses for his poor play 3. Some of posts seemed forced I will to vote Boxerfred if Shockeyy doesn't appear to be the lynch today but I think Shockeyy is worse than Boxer atm.
Could you quote the posts which you think seem forced.
These:
On June 17 2015 09:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: rsoultin - idk wtf they're posting atm KelsierSC - reminds me of bugs, a butthole, but a town butthole Bill Murray - idk ritoky - Channel 4 Choppa ShoCkeyy - Town Onegu - Misclaim to VT? We'll see, I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt. Holyflare - Opening/Only post claims town lol. Damdred + Show Spoiler +
On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote: So ok claiming town which means ls is scum
On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote: I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already.
Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any
seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit
you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating
Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point.
I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads.
Kel is just a maybe town.
I know I'm town obviously
I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that
you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value.
There are two types of people that play mafia
1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta
LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree.
As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish.
He's town to me at this juncture.
So Damdred, which one is it? Is LS scum cause you're town, or is LS town and you're scum? Or are you both town or scum?
On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote: current state of the thread:
more updates to come.
choppa 4 on the scene.
Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening?
Give it a day or two...
Damdred can you substantiate your reads a bit please? Especially on LS and that other guy? Last game you were one of the first ones to give content and you gave pretty good explanations on each of them...
You posted afterwards but never responded to this.
On June 17 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote: Evening guys. In case you haven't played with me before, this is my second game (first was Holy Guardians). Heading to bed now, but it looks like there'll be a ton of posts ready for me when I wake up ...
Why post this if 40 mins later you're going to post again?
On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote: Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read.
I better see poking this game
Breshke - His posting currently comes off as town to me atm Mig - waiting GlowingBear - Who knows, acts like a child when things don't go his way in town/scum games. LightningStrike - Acting like he cares? I don't know yet, but his posting looks familiar with his last game where he was scum (not caring about what he writes) wherebugsgo - Ego town butthole VayneAuthority - Not much boxerfred - First post is what?
Going to leave now, in-laws are in town.
Context of that post: He haven't posted for a little over 1 hour and seemed kinda forced to give a list of reads plus I felt like his reads weren't as insightful as his last game like when he was around he was pushing shit more than did this game.
On June 17 2015 22:51 ShoCkeyy wrote: Alright going to try and get this going here. I don't get why people care so much about activity? It's been known since this forum even started that people lurk and will always lurk. I can't be posting all day and night as some others here cause I own four businesses + consult major businesses. I use mafia as a past time and can post when I have free time. If you like my activity great, if you don't sucks for you. At least I try and help the town win rather than post non-sense and spam up the thread.
@Breshke - It's not that I didn't care about my read, is that every one and their mothers is already giving their read on LS. Why do I need to ask a question that was already answer?
@KSC - I don't get why you think I was going after damdred? It was just an early post to get more info on him and in return he got info out of me. I never even claimed I think he's mafia. If anything, his reads seem town motivated.
The list post I made was just have my notes out early. Today alone is my wife's birthday and I have planned to spend it with her - I even posted before game started I will be active mornings and nights (nights meaning before bed time).
@LS - I have, but I haven't been able to deep dive into them. Currently, I'm basing your posting style to your previous game we played together.
I'll be back at night and post follow up responses. I will also try to respond from my phone if possible.
Outside the questions in that post it seemed much more fluff than anything.
So your three reasons for scumming him were
1 bad list post 2. makes excuses 3. posts seemed forced
But 3 is actually just 1 and 2 because the posts you said seemed forced are the list post and him making an excuse.
Frankly i don't think shockey saying shit about not posting much is alignment indicative for him since he did it in witch (might have been post game) but he did do it so it is something he would complain about as either alignment.
I don't know what to say to you LS it doesn't feel like you really think he is scum.
plus you say feels weird or some synonym a lot, which makes me turn my brain off.
I not exactly great at explaining stuff and rsoultin usually is my translator for me for this type of stuff. (Prods rsoultin to do some translation work)
Because from the way I read it was like you calling him Rayn(Who is usually a jerk as scum) and we shouldn't really care about the smurf's aka as long they help us as town.
Here is my problem:
I never intended to put effort in smurf hunting by calling him Rayn. I do this everytime with smurfs.
Your interpretation was a huge overreaction.
But the biggest problem is not that you looked at me and said: "GB we shouldn't smurf hunt dude" if you really read me as town. My concern is that you just posted "WOW YOU'RE SMURF HUNTING THAT'S ODD" in such a way that you clearly was throwing suspicions at me.
Why throwing suspicions like that on someone you think is town instead of simply SUGGESTING that I should not scum hunt?
dude haven't i already told you to let this go -_-
even if ls is scum this has no bearing on his alignment. stop quibbling over trivialities
How come not?
He saw an opportunity to discredit me and took it, even while townreading me. Tell me how a town would react this way.
if he indeed was attempting to discredit you, sure xP but how do you know that's what he actually was doing? or how strong his townread on you is? do you never question townreads when they say something that looks weird to you?
see why this doesn't matter yet?
I wasn't trying to discredit you GB I was just finding it odd that's all
On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote: i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol ><
Boxer if we can't lynch Shockeyy mainly HF's and Mig's thing on Boxer I think if pretty good but I rather go for my scum.
On June 18 2015 14:16 Breshke wrote: LS isn't even trying to convince me of his read on shockey or any other player which i feel he should think is more important than this.
Because from the way I read it was like you calling him Rayn(Who is usually a jerk as scum) and we shouldn't really care about the smurf's aka as long they help us as town.
Here is my problem:
I never intended to put effort in smurf hunting by calling him Rayn. I do this everytime with smurfs.
Your interpretation was a huge overreaction.
But the biggest problem is not that you looked at me and said: "GB we shouldn't smurf hunt dude" if you really read me as town. My concern is that you just posted "WOW YOU'RE SMURF HUNTING THAT'S ODD" in such a way that you clearly was throwing suspicions at me.
Why throwing suspicions like that on someone you think is town instead of simply SUGGESTING that I should not scum hunt?
dude haven't i already told you to let this go -_-
even if ls is scum this has no bearing on his alignment. stop quibbling over trivialities
How come not?
He saw an opportunity to discredit me and took it, even while townreading me. Tell me how a town would react this way.
if he indeed was attempting to discredit you, sure xP but how do you know that's what he actually was doing? or how strong his townread on you is? do you never question townreads when they say something that looks weird to you?
see why this doesn't matter yet?
I wasn't trying to discredit you GB I was just finding it odd that's all
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The bolded is bull shit I actually been trying to convince you on my case but instead I facing a brick wall from everyone but it prob because everyone thing I a Mason with Damdred it just me and Damdred work well together -_-.
On June 18 2015 14:18 GlowingBear wrote: Breshke, why exactly you are reading shockey for?
I assume this is meant to say town reading.
I'm not. But he is LS's biggest scumread and instead of convincing me he is scum LS decides respond to random stuff that doesn't matter.
I been trying to but you convince you but you just wont listen -_-.......... Why do I have to face brick walls bigger than GoT. I feel like rage quitting now and might just make a damn document of my reads tomorrow.
On June 18 2015 14:16 Breshke wrote: LS isn't even trying to convince me of his read on shockey or any other player which i feel he should think is more important than this.
On June 18 2015 14:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 14:10 rsoultin wrote:
On June 18 2015 14:03 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 18 2015 13:57 rsoultin wrote:
On June 18 2015 13:54 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 18 2015 13:43 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 13:37 GlowingBear wrote: [quote]
Why pointing out the "smurf hunt" thing then?
Because from the way I read it was like you calling him Rayn(Who is usually a jerk as scum) and we shouldn't really care about the smurf's aka as long they help us as town.
Here is my problem:
I never intended to put effort in smurf hunting by calling him Rayn. I do this everytime with smurfs.
Your interpretation was a huge overreaction.
But the biggest problem is not that you looked at me and said: "GB we shouldn't smurf hunt dude" if you really read me as town. My concern is that you just posted "WOW YOU'RE SMURF HUNTING THAT'S ODD" in such a way that you clearly was throwing suspicions at me.
Why throwing suspicions like that on someone you think is town instead of simply SUGGESTING that I should not scum hunt?
dude haven't i already told you to let this go -_-
even if ls is scum this has no bearing on his alignment. stop quibbling over trivialities
How come not?
He saw an opportunity to discredit me and took it, even while townreading me. Tell me how a town would react this way.
if he indeed was attempting to discredit you, sure xP but how do you know that's what he actually was doing? or how strong his townread on you is? do you never question townreads when they say something that looks weird to you?
see why this doesn't matter yet?
I wasn't trying to discredit you GB I was just finding it odd that's all
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The bolded is bull shit I actually been trying to convince you on my case but instead I facing a brick wall from everyone but it prob because everyone thing I a Mason with Damdred it just me and Damdred work well together -_-.
Wait, you're masoned with Damdred or not?
I thought I answered it clearly but apparently you can't read it but here a even clear answer: No I not masoned with Damdred.
On June 18 2015 14:16 Breshke wrote: LS isn't even trying to convince me of his read on shockey or any other player which i feel he should think is more important than this.
On June 18 2015 14:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 18 2015 14:10 rsoultin wrote:
On June 18 2015 14:03 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 18 2015 13:57 rsoultin wrote:
On June 18 2015 13:54 GlowingBear wrote: [quote]
Here is my problem:
I never intended to put effort in smurf hunting by calling him Rayn. I do this everytime with smurfs.
Your interpretation was a huge overreaction.
But the biggest problem is not that you looked at me and said: "GB we shouldn't smurf hunt dude" if you really read me as town. My concern is that you just posted "WOW YOU'RE SMURF HUNTING THAT'S ODD" in such a way that you clearly was throwing suspicions at me.
Why throwing suspicions like that on someone you think is town instead of simply SUGGESTING that I should not scum hunt?
dude haven't i already told you to let this go -_-
even if ls is scum this has no bearing on his alignment. stop quibbling over trivialities
How come not?
He saw an opportunity to discredit me and took it, even while townreading me. Tell me how a town would react this way.
if he indeed was attempting to discredit you, sure xP but how do you know that's what he actually was doing? or how strong his townread on you is? do you never question townreads when they say something that looks weird to you?
see why this doesn't matter yet?
I wasn't trying to discredit you GB I was just finding it odd that's all
##Unvote ##Vote Lightningstrike
The bolded is bull shit I actually been trying to convince you on my case but instead I facing a brick wall from everyone but it prob because everyone thing I a Mason with Damdred it just me and Damdred work well together -_-.
Wait, you're masoned with Damdred or not?
I thought I answered it clearly but apparently you can't read it but here a even clear answer: No I not masoned with Damdred.
Calm down. I've already dropped the suspicions on you. I do these kind of questions on purpose.
I just feel frustrated with how people are treating me.
On June 18 2015 14:18 GlowingBear wrote: Breshke, why exactly you are reading shockey for?
I assume this is meant to say town reading.
I'm not. But he is LS's biggest scumread and instead of convincing me he is scum LS decides respond to random stuff that doesn't matter.
I been trying to but you convince you but you just wont listen -_-.......... Why do I have to face brick walls bigger than GoT. I feel like rage quitting now and might just make a damn document of my reads tomorrow.
I am not trying to treat you like an ass, im not actually voting you it never made it to the vote thread. The problem is i feel like you fabricated your read on shockey. I don't think you think his posts seemed forced I think you jsut said that because it is something that is attributed to him ebign scum.
I do also realize that it is possible for a town to do this when they are under suspicion liekt his because you wanted your read on shockey to seem fuller.
Anyway who are your top 3 towns LS?
Bugs: Meta he playing about the same way he played in his last game with me making cases and heavy pressure on others. HF: His content is good I like his case on Boxer again I rather lynch my scum. Mig: I like his content from when he was posting he seemed to have some original content some stuff but he was thinking critically about the game.
Damn I just can't fall asleep I thought I was tired enough but apparently my body is saying nope -_- With people going to Boxerfred and I prob need to vote to save myself and liking some of the stuff people said about him (HF and Mig mainly) and the Shockeyy lynch doesn't look like it going to happen so I will put it on hold and will switch to Boxerfred now. ##Unvote ##Vote: Boxerfred
Just woke up and had a question: QUOTE]On June 18 2015 17:48 Breshke wrote: Actually when he is back next I want LS to explain WHY he claimed there.[/QUOTE] I was tired of being pressured to the extreme from KSC so I claimed there......
On June 18 2015 22:02 wherebugsgo wrote: Lohengramm you should tell us who you are. I hate replacements and since you're a smurf you're either good or terrible. Alternatively you can just prove to us that you're not terrible but I really doubt you're going to do that given how sparse your posts have already been, judging from your filter.
On June 18 2015 22:43 wherebugsgo wrote: Alright I managed to finish reading...Mig I want to know your read on Damdred right now. You prodded him for reads earlier but I am interested in knowing how his response to you affected your read of him.
Next, can someone kindly explain the BF case to me? Even after having read the entire thread I can't for the life of me understand why people are calling him scum. This is worrying, given that in my own notes I have him leaning fairly townish. On the other hand I can summarize the posts on LS because I think that there were more people to call him scum at various points and he did have the named VT claim, but I really really doubt he is scum.
I'm phone posting right now and I quoted NHM's post to get this reply so I can't really quote anything else but I would actually rather not lynch either of these dudes but instead lynch Kelsier or GB. Kelsier kinda disappeared after a while and although he had one response to me in which he calmed down and attempted to explain his reads he didn't quite do anything in the mean time. That's quite strange given that as town I would have expected him to continue pushing LS if he truly felt so strongly about it. It is very clear there is at least some resistance to LS since he's not even the vote leader angmore, so why is KSC not pushing him as he was earlier? To me that seems really fishy, like he feels he did enough earlier on and now he can slip by.
Then there's GB, who continually does weird things that are very hard for me to explain from a town perspective. The mkst obvious one to me was that it sounded like he wanted to work with me and bounce ideas off me. At first I gave him tentative town points for that on the condition that he actually follown up and make use of my offer. What instead happened is that GB's post quality started declining, and despite me asking him hey why don't we discuss stuff he only asked me one thing which now to me I can't even recall because it seemed so insignificant. Why as town would GB state that he wants to know my reads and then make almost no effort to get them from me? Indeed one thing that HF pointed out is actually really damning and that is the fact that at some point GB refused to give out hisnown reads and he "chastised" me for doing the exact same thing. That's a very scummy thing for someone who thinks giving out reads as town is a good thing.
Finally this could be completely irrelevant but the way he "dares" people to call him scum in some of his posts (by saying "Am I scum?" for whatever reason to me comes off as really forced. It's true that scum would be wary of clashing attitudes but even in the last game GB showed awareness of common scum tropes and took advantage of that, e.g. defending his buddy when he knew it was likely to cause him to take a lot of attention.
On June 18 2015 13:24 NydusHerMain wrote: Curious bugs. Knowing I'm not a smurf, would you rate me as a better player
Idk regardless of your alignment this game you appear to post better than at least half of the playerbase
HF and Mig did a post on Boxerfred but here's Mig post on him which seems like a TLDR version of the case by HF:
On June 18 2015 06:14 Mig wrote: Boxer is definitely shady so far, his time lines don't match up. Common for newer scum players to promise work at X time and then not know what to post so they dont deliver it.
Boxer why did you pick holyflare and Kelsier as the only 2 filters you have read?
I here I just needed a break from talking to some brick walls this morning mainly in KSC who is just in a deeper tunnel then the English Chanel tunnel to France -_- Also GB did misrepresent Bugs on the fact that Bugs actually didn't push lurkers in our last game together he mainly pushed me and GB last game. @Bugs do you think that GB is scum for misrepresenting you there or is it other stuff that makes you think he's scum?
On June 19 2015 03:43 KelsierSC wrote: LS what think you?
Honestly if Boxer doesn't vote we should lynch someone else because it would useless to vote someone that would get modkilled. The case on to GB is interesting and LOL at the caps lock he did it in GoT which was just quoted and again he did it a little bit in our last game when I was scum with him in Witchcraft. He could be scum based some of this stuff and I trust my townread on Bugs I willing to sheep him for now based on how Witchcraft went. ##Unvote ##Vote: GlowingBear
On June 19 2015 03:43 KelsierSC wrote: LS what think you?
Honestly if Boxer doesn't vote we should lynch someone else because it would useless to vote someone that would get modkilled. The case on to GB is interesting and LOL at the caps lock he did it in GoT which was just quoted and again he did it a little bit in our last game when I was scum with him in Witchcraft. He could be scum based some of this stuff and I trust my townread on Bugs I willing to sheep him for now based on how Witchcraft went. ##Unvote ##Vote: GlowingBear
On June 19 2015 03:54 wherebugsgo wrote: LS what other players were you considering before this?
Shockeyy but the lynch doesn't seem happening hence why I swap to Boxerfred but if Boxerfred is not going to vote why waste my vote on someone that can get modkilled?
On June 19 2015 03:43 KelsierSC wrote: LS what think you?
Honestly if Boxer doesn't vote we should lynch someone else because it would useless to vote someone that would get modkilled. The case on to GB is interesting and LOL at the caps lock he did it in GoT which was just quoted and again he did it a little bit in our last game when I was scum with him in Witchcraft. He could be scum based some of this stuff and I trust my townread on Bugs I willing to sheep him for now based on how Witchcraft went. ##Unvote ##Vote: GlowingBear
damn
What?
because I felt good about this GB lynch and if you are voting him either i'm wrong on him or wrong on you
On June 18 2015 23:43 wherebugsgo wrote: like, more or less admitting that you don't give a fuck what LS's alignment is, and then admitting that you are lynching him for pure policy is by itself far scummier than anything LS did. At least he is trying and giving off the impression that he cares about the game, and even if he is scum and you are town he's probably a bigger asset to us.
i did this, why aren't you yelling at me?
You weren't in the thread when he was around then? Also Sheep my ritoky! Sheep the great Bugs case on GB!
On June 18 2015 23:43 wherebugsgo wrote: like, more or less admitting that you don't give a fuck what LS's alignment is, and then admitting that you are lynching him for pure policy is by itself far scummier than anything LS did. At least he is trying and giving off the impression that he cares about the game, and even if he is scum and you are town he's probably a bigger asset to us.
On June 19 2015 03:43 KelsierSC wrote: LS what think you?
Honestly if Boxer doesn't vote we should lynch someone else because it would useless to vote someone that would get modkilled. The case on to GB is interesting and LOL at the caps lock he did it in GoT which was just quoted and again he did it a little bit in our last game when I was scum with him in Witchcraft. He could be scum based some of this stuff and I trust my townread on Bugs I willing to sheep him for now based on how Witchcraft went. ##Unvote ##Vote: GlowingBear
damn
What?
because I felt good about this GB lynch and if you are voting him either i'm wrong on him or wrong on you
You wrong on me simple as that
if you're town you are just the worst
Says the guy lynched me Day 1 when I had hard claimed Cop and decided to counterclaim it as VT
On June 19 2015 03:43 KelsierSC wrote: LS what think you?
Honestly if Boxer doesn't vote we should lynch someone else because it would useless to vote someone that would get modkilled. The case on to GB is interesting and LOL at the caps lock he did it in GoT which was just quoted and again he did it a little bit in our last game when I was scum with him in Witchcraft. He could be scum based some of this stuff and I trust my townread on Bugs I willing to sheep him for now based on how Witchcraft went. ##Unvote ##Vote: GlowingBear
damn
What?
because I felt good about this GB lynch and if you are voting him either i'm wrong on him or wrong on you
You wrong on me simple as that
if you're town you are just the worst
Says the guy lynched me Day 1 when I had hard claimed Cop and decided to counterclaim it as VT
On June 19 2015 03:51 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] Honestly if Boxer doesn't vote we should lynch someone else because it would useless to vote someone that would get modkilled. The case on to GB is interesting and LOL at the caps lock he did it in GoT which was just quoted and again he did it a little bit in our last game when I was scum with him in Witchcraft. He could be scum based some of this stuff and I trust my townread on Bugs I willing to sheep him for now based on how Witchcraft went. ##Unvote ##Vote: GlowingBear
damn
What?
because I felt good about this GB lynch and if you are voting him either i'm wrong on him or wrong on you
You wrong on me simple as that
if you're town you are just the worst
Says the guy lynched me Day 1 when I had hard claimed Cop and decided to counterclaim it as VT
look at your play this game
consider suicide
late
Jesus that's harsh
i'm jk
but seriously wtf have you been doing
Listening to Darude Astlay Sandroll and Smoking Weed?
On June 19 2015 04:12 NydusHerMain wrote: I won't be able to make a case on onegu in enough time but I think gb is townier than bf
##Vote: boxerfred
Dude Boxerfred is most likely going to get modkilled because he haven't voted. Switch to GB where we actually got a good case plus a lot of back to it please don't let your vote go to waste
On June 19 2015 04:08 ritoky wrote: I am very annoyed with GB, rsoul, and kelsier.
GB and rsoul were like "let's find scum" then didn't try to find scum very hard. then when they passed out i went scum hunting and plopped some work into the thread and neither one commented on it in the slightest. both were apparently reading me super town, so why the shit did they ignore it upon re-entry?
kels i am annoyed with because he promised to ask my question and didn't.
but LS explained when he got back
and his reason was he was annoyed with me pressing him
But why not just claim named VT the moment the game begins?
Because I didn't feel like claiming named VT at the start of the game.
On June 19 2015 04:12 NydusHerMain wrote: I won't be able to make a case on onegu in enough time but I think gb is townier than bf
##Vote: boxerfred
Dude Boxerfred is most likely going to get modkilled because he haven't voted. Switch to GB where we actually got a good case plus a lot of back to it please don't let your vote go to waste
Don't hedge around modkills. I did it last game, and the mod fucked me in the anus.
Hts already said first miss vote is just a warning.
I didn't see that but still I think the case on GB is better than the stuff on Boxerfred.
On June 19 2015 04:08 ritoky wrote: I am very annoyed with GB, rsoul, and kelsier.
GB and rsoul were like "let's find scum" then didn't try to find scum very hard. then when they passed out i went scum hunting and plopped some work into the thread and neither one commented on it in the slightest. both were apparently reading me super town, so why the shit did they ignore it upon re-entry?
kels i am annoyed with because he promised to ask my question and didn't.
but LS explained when he got back
and his reason was he was annoyed with me pressing him
But why not just claim named VT the moment the game begins?
Because I didn't feel like claiming named VT at the start of the game.
cool, i am probably voting you this phase.
But that is going to be a wasted vote when we got two wagons going on............
On June 19 2015 04:08 ritoky wrote: I am very annoyed with GB, rsoul, and kelsier.
GB and rsoul were like "let's find scum" then didn't try to find scum very hard. then when they passed out i went scum hunting and plopped some work into the thread and neither one commented on it in the slightest. both were apparently reading me super town, so why the shit did they ignore it upon re-entry?
kels i am annoyed with because he promised to ask my question and didn't.
but LS explained when he got back
and his reason was he was annoyed with me pressing him
But why not just claim named VT the moment the game begins?
Because I didn't feel like claiming named VT at the start of the game.
cool, i am probably voting you this phase.
But that is going to be a wasted vote when we got two wagons going on............
1) you're spewing non-stop anti-town 2) people are already doing the "should we lynch LS this phase? naw reconsider next phase!" dance, which will go on many days and probably cost town the game 3) the other wagons aren't compelling enough to not vote on you 4) in some semblance i agree with onegu. i used to fake claim cop a bunch on these forums until some1 intentionally lost a game to teach me a lesson. you need to learn a lesson.
Point 4 i going againist your win condition by intentionally losing a game do you want to be mod killed for that?
On June 19 2015 04:17 GlowingBear wrote: Your vote also makes no sense, LS. You jumped on me too easily.
Look I liked Bugs case on you and I was already townreading him and based on how last game I putting all my eggs in that basket but if you are town make a legacy post before you get lynched.
On June 19 2015 04:16 NydusHerMain wrote: Or shcokey
so your scum list would be
Lohengramm, ritoky, Mig, BF, shockey?
i noticed you made this post about GB
GlowingBear - I had a bad feeling about him before but honestly, I think that if he was scum, he'd stick to his probably town read on me and wouldn't flip on it so easily after like two posts. It's going to stay in the back of my mind because I don't think the flip to me being neutral felt natural but meh it's a small thing. Otherwise, he's been really putting himself out there in terms of what all of his reads are and he's at least been interacting with me and trying to see how I think about some of him reads. For example, I asked him about his read on Onegu as scum and he changed that and then he proceeded to ask me why I didn't comment about his other scum read which, to be honest, was also a weak reason in the same vein as his scum read on Onegu. Seems like he's a little hesitant to push on anyone but I'll give him a town read for today.
Since that point there has been a lot of GB related discussion so did you read that and it didn't bother you?
Mainly Damdred, shockey, bf, onegu, ritoky as my main scum
Can you read Bugs case on GB and tell me your thoughts on it please?
On June 19 2015 04:08 ritoky wrote: I am very annoyed with GB, rsoul, and kelsier.
GB and rsoul were like "let's find scum" then didn't try to find scum very hard. then when they passed out i went scum hunting and plopped some work into the thread and neither one commented on it in the slightest. both were apparently reading me super town, so why the shit did they ignore it upon re-entry?
kels i am annoyed with because he promised to ask my question and didn't.
but LS explained when he got back
and his reason was he was annoyed with me pressing him
But why not just claim named VT the moment the game begins?
Because I didn't feel like claiming named VT at the start of the game.
cool, i am probably voting you this phase.
But that is going to be a wasted vote when we got two wagons going on............
1) you're spewing non-stop anti-town 2) people are already doing the "should we lynch LS this phase? naw reconsider next phase!" dance, which will go on many days and probably cost town the game 3) the other wagons aren't compelling enough to not vote on you 4) in some semblance i agree with onegu. i used to fake claim cop a bunch on these forums until some1 intentionally lost a game to teach me a lesson. you need to learn a lesson.
Point 4 i going againist your win condition by intentionally losing a game do you want to be mod killed for that?
I will be voting to lynch what I feel is the biggest impediment to town victory: you.
To me you're just sitting in the thread loling and seeing how much anti-town shit you can get away with before your string of credit runs out. It annoys me, and it is terrible play if you're town.
On June 19 2015 04:17 GlowingBear wrote: Your vote also makes no sense, LS. You jumped on me too easily.
Look I liked Bugs case on you and I was already townreading him and based on how last game I putting all my eggs in that basket but if you are town make a legacy post before you get lynched.
I'm not getting lynched because I won't let town derp this bad
I won't make shitty legacy post, no one reads that shit
And if you're town I'm fucking mad at you for bring this bad
Bugs has NOTHING against me. Your reasons to sheep are the worst
I had sheeped Damdred in the past for similar reasons with more success than not
On June 19 2015 04:30 Lohengramm wrote: I'm going to continue to smurf for filter purposes, and because this account's name is fucking awesome. But yes, I am Yamato.
I will read filters until deadline. BF I have already read but if he's posted anything new I will give my thoughts. I will read LS closer but I really don't think he's mafia at all. As said before, I have a vague suspicion of GB but I admittedly only read like 10 pages.
For now, so I don't get modkilled after replacing in;
##Vote: boxerfred
When you get caught up full can you tell me your thoughts on Bugs case on GB please?
On June 19 2015 04:30 Lohengramm wrote: I'm going to continue to smurf for filter purposes, and because this account's name is fucking awesome. But yes, I am Yamato.
I will read filters until deadline. BF I have already read but if he's posted anything new I will give my thoughts. I will read LS closer but I really don't think he's mafia at all. As said before, I have a vague suspicion of GB but I admittedly only read like 10 pages.
For now, so I don't get modkilled after replacing in;
##Vote: boxerfred
When you get caught up full can you tell me your thoughts on Bugs case on GB please?
why?
Because I strongly believe in Bugs case on GB and their some correct meta about GB as scum sheep it to end of the day!
On June 19 2015 04:30 Lohengramm wrote: I'm going to continue to smurf for filter purposes, and because this account's name is fucking awesome. But yes, I am Yamato.
I will read filters until deadline. BF I have already read but if he's posted anything new I will give my thoughts. I will read LS closer but I really don't think he's mafia at all. As said before, I have a vague suspicion of GB but I admittedly only read like 10 pages.
For now, so I don't get modkilled after replacing in;
##Vote: boxerfred
When you get caught up full can you tell me your thoughts on Bugs case on GB please?
why?
Because I strongly believe in Bugs case on GB and their some correct meta about GB as scum sheep it to end of the day!
what happened to your strong belief in shockkey case and the bf case?
shockeyy wont get lynched and would rather give bf a little bit more time for now again my bf was kinda weak though.
On June 19 2015 04:30 Lohengramm wrote: I'm going to continue to smurf for filter purposes, and because this account's name is fucking awesome. But yes, I am Yamato.
I will read filters until deadline. BF I have already read but if he's posted anything new I will give my thoughts. I will read LS closer but I really don't think he's mafia at all. As said before, I have a vague suspicion of GB but I admittedly only read like 10 pages.
For now, so I don't get modkilled after replacing in;
##Vote: boxerfred
When you get caught up full can you tell me your thoughts on Bugs case on GB please?
why?
Because I strongly believe in Bugs case on GB and their some correct meta about GB as scum sheep it to end of the day!
yes but why are you literally asking everyone the same thing? will yamatos thoughts alter your decision in some way?
No because I strongly believe in Bugs case esp based on what happened in the last game I had played with him.
Do I really to explain more? I like Bugs case on you and you do have some similar stuff from your past games as scum simple as that.
Yes, I want you to explain more
Go deeper than that.
What do you like on bugs case? What similar stuff from past scum games?
It's easy to base your vote by saying what you're saying.
Your all cap stuff is very similar to the all cap stuff you had when I was scum with you when you tried to divert the lynch away from me and away from you in GoT too plus some of your stuff and your reaction test seemed weird too.
On June 19 2015 05:06 ritoky wrote: okay from HF's thing i remember the vanishing onegu read and the lack of follow-up on VA stuff which was kinda scummy.
any1 gonna try to convince me on BF, or is that just a wagon full of AFKs?
On June 19 2015 05:19 rsoultin wrote: tldr anyone? otherwise starting at page 77 @.@
Bugs made a case on GB and people want to switch to him from Boxerfred plus KSC and Shockeyy added in some meta into the mix for the GB case.
it was VA actually not me
I just talked about the Breshke case being bad
Oh sorry you shoulda taken the cred lol. So TLDR for rsoultin: 1.Bugs made a case on GB and Shockeyy and VA added in some meta to it. 2.GB made a bad case on Breshke that got shut down by KSC and others(I think)
On June 19 2015 05:24 Fidei86 wrote: @Kel I'm around, keeping tabs on the thread while I'm at work. For what it's worth, and it's probably not much, I agree with GB's sentiment here. A d1 lynch is pretty unlikely to succeed. In the last game I was in (HG) the top three wagons on d1 were all town. This game has been 20 times less likely to actually find a scum imo, given that we're almost at ninety pages after 2 days. PSA: People, your spam and OMGUS'ing is not helpful. You make it super easy for mafia just to blend in to the noise, and you make it super hard for townies (like me) to actually engage with what's going on. If you have a case, please MAKE IT, then let other people actually read it. Don't just keep spamming back and forth. If you're town, you're NEVER going to convince a mafia that they are mafia - they'll keep protesting their innocence until they are lynched. Same if they're town. The people you have to convince is everyone else, and frankly I'm just kind of turned off by all this.
So, back to GB - he's posting, people can get reads on him, and those reads will only get stronger and more accurate over time. Worst case if we don't lynch him is that he's mafia and we catch him later. However, if we do lynch him, we're missing the opportunity to lynch a scummy lurker. If you let the lurkers live, they just turn the later days into a coinflip for active town.
Lynching lurkers Day 1 isn't optimal play when you can lynch scum imo.
On June 19 2015 05:27 Holyflare wrote: always lynch scummy people not lurkers unless the lurker is scummy in which case you're still lynching the scummy person
lynching active people also gives you incredible information post flip for people's reactions and stances to the wagon whereas a lurker lynch is a massive cop out and people can just free ride it to a mislynch if they are mafia
you say day 1 is the hardest day to succeed and that's because there is no flip information, day 2 would be the same with a lurker lynch
You made a longer version what I said with better info on why lol.
On June 19 2015 05:24 Fidei86 wrote: @Kel I'm around, keeping tabs on the thread while I'm at work. For what it's worth, and it's probably not much, I agree with GB's sentiment here. A d1 lynch is pretty unlikely to succeed. In the last game I was in (HG) the top three wagons on d1 were all town. This game has been 20 times less likely to actually find a scum imo, given that we're almost at ninety pages after 2 days. PSA: People, your spam and OMGUS'ing is not helpful. You make it super easy for mafia just to blend in to the noise, and you make it super hard for townies (like me) to actually engage with what's going on. If you have a case, please MAKE IT, then let other people actually read it. Don't just keep spamming back and forth. If you're town, you're NEVER going to convince a mafia that they are mafia - they'll keep protesting their innocence until they are lynched. Same if they're town. The people you have to convince is everyone else, and frankly I'm just kind of turned off by all this.
So, back to GB - he's posting, people can get reads on him, and those reads will only get stronger and more accurate over time. Worst case if we don't lynch him is that he's mafia and we catch him later. However, if we do lynch him, we're missing the opportunity to lynch a scummy lurker. If you let the lurkers live, they just turn the later days into a coinflip for active town.
Lynching lurkers Day 1 isn't optimal play when you can lynch scum imo.
... I mean, that's obviously true (to the extent that it's basically a truism). My point is that I don't think we have a very good chance of catching a scum today. This thread has been a dumpster, where most people who aren't involved in the OMGUS/tit-for-tat are probably just finding their strongest town read (for me it's Rsoult btw) and sheeping them. But at least if we lynch a lurker, we guarantee that we make it harder for mafia to keep lurking and blending in.
I recognise that there's sort of a logical tension here - I'm saying that we should lynch lurkers, but I'm also saying that all this volume of posting is also seriously town-detrimental. I guess I'm just an optimist, as I think people will eventually run out of steam soon and then we can start having some actually quasi-serious discussions.
There seems to be this sort of implication here that what we've had so far is not serious.
What makes you say that the GB lynch has not been substantiated in serious discussion? Like 6-7 people have commented on it and we have a fairly wide array of perspectives and information that went into it. I put a chunk in re: GB's misrepresentation of my play, KSC pointed out how his Breshke case was terrible (speaking of Breshke, where the hell is he?) VA and Shockeyy pointed out elements of his meta that fit to his play here, and HF has provided his own opinions and corroboration of GB's play from previous games as well. Individually I think all of those pieces of information are pretty valuable and strong on their own, but together they are the strongest indication that we have the correct lynch for today.
OTOH when you look at the BF case it's mostly people just whining that they don't like his posting style and his activity. That doesn't really inspire confidence to me.
Breshke lives in Australia so it's early in the morning for him atm.
On June 19 2015 03:43 KelsierSC wrote: LS what think you?
Honestly if Boxer doesn't vote we should lynch someone else because it would useless to vote someone that would get modkilled. The case on to GB is interesting and LOL at the caps lock he did it in GoT which was just quoted and again he did it a little bit in our last game when I was scum with him in Witchcraft. He could be scum based some of this stuff and I trust my townread on Bugs I willing to sheep him for now based on how Witchcraft went. ##Unvote ##Vote: GlowingBear
My vote actually is on someone, you must've missed my post where I say I'm really busy until the next day. I'm not even lurking currently, I just skimmed through some pages and found your post sticking out so I want to point that out.
Note how it would be way easier for me to not say that.
I didn't catch it all I thought you didn't vote at all I guess I was blind for a little bit but anyways HF isn't going to get lynched today do you mind reading Bugs case on GB on Page 82ish and give me your thoughts on it?
On June 19 2015 03:43 KelsierSC wrote: LS what think you?
Honestly if Boxer doesn't vote we should lynch someone else because it would useless to vote someone that would get modkilled. The case on to GB is interesting and LOL at the caps lock he did it in GoT which was just quoted and again he did it a little bit in our last game when I was scum with him in Witchcraft. He could be scum based some of this stuff and I trust my townread on Bugs I willing to sheep him for now based on how Witchcraft went. ##Unvote ##Vote: GlowingBear
My vote actually is on someone, you must've missed my post where I say I'm really busy until the next day. I'm not even lurking currently, I just skimmed through some pages and found your post sticking out so I want to point that out.
Note how it would be way easier for me to not say that.
I didn't catch it all I thought you didn't vote at all I guess I was blind for a little bit but anyways HF isn't going to get lynched today do you mind reading Bugs case on GB on Page 82ish and give me your thoughts on it?
On June 19 2015 06:03 ritoky wrote: I just want to say that regardless of who gets lynched here, if you're the cop and you don't investigate the other guy tonight....I am going to punch you in the genitalia.
Robik said he would punch rsoultin at the vagina and you saw how that worked out for him lol.
On June 19 2015 06:31 Breshke wrote: rso, what do you think about GB's case on me I have like no time tor ead the thread so please dont tell me to go look
The case on you from GB was bad and was shut down by KSC and others(I think).
On June 19 2015 06:31 Breshke wrote: rso, what do you think about GB's case on me I have like no time tor ead the thread so please dont tell me to go look
The case on you from GB was bad and was shut down by KSC and others(I think).
LS, if you're townreading me bby this time sheep me
i'm about as certain as i can be that gb is not scum here...why do you think he's scum?
I like Bugs case on GB plus some of the meta points by VA and Shockeyy esp because I just played with GB when he was scum. Why not sheep me instead?
On June 19 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote: Yeah, I'm going against Shockey
hmm...i thought you had bf as a main scum read though
Ugh I don't know this is super fucking weird.
And he still hasn't fucking answered me? Don't you see? This is why I switched. I just posted it out flat for you and him to see why I switched my vote. It just drives me mad when a player can easily avoid me voting them by just answering my question. My read on GB was null as you can see... After he went off with his rage posts, I brought it up that he played just like that in the previous game where he was scum and a smurf... Now how is that weird that I vote for him?
I sorry about thinking you are scum but now I thinking you're town bro after these last like 30 mins I think I found the light that you are more likely town than scum.
On June 19 2015 06:44 GlowingBear wrote: Shut up HF, good players are playing
lynch the fuck out of this guy
right now
RIGHT NOW
anyone that is voting for boxerfred
ANSWER THIS QUESTION
WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR THE GUY THAT HAS PROMISED TO PLAY IN FUTURE CYCLES WITH THE GUY THAT IS SCUM READING HIM FOR HIS FIRST POST IN THE GAME?????
^ misrepresentation go away
HAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
NO IT'S NOT
PROVE IT IS OR GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR USELESS CRAP
On June 19 2015 06:12 Holyflare wrote:
Mafia POV 1) I think that it is weird that he says he skimmed through the topic but only payed attention in you and Kelsier. I don't see why a town would do that. More than that, he doesn't say much about Kelsier, the guy he payed more attention to. If he really skimmed the thread, I would expect the had an opinion on more proeminent players under discussion, like LS. This kind of disconnection sounds mafia to me. 2) Opening is mafia-ish, I expect townies to come to the thread and post whatever shit they want and keep going. He made an opening commenting someone's post (easier opening for mafia) + immediately peaced out. Why even bother posting?
That's all I have on him. I read him as mafia, but I disagree with all your points.
everyone is voting with this guy who has these reasons for voting bf
literally ignores everything and says it's because of his first post (the first point is something i already brought up and he said was shit and used it again anyway LOL)
On June 19 2015 06:44 GlowingBear wrote: Shut up HF, good players are playing
lynch the fuck out of this guy
right now
RIGHT NOW
anyone that is voting for boxerfred
ANSWER THIS QUESTION
WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR THE GUY THAT HAS PROMISED TO PLAY IN FUTURE CYCLES WITH THE GUY THAT IS SCUM READING HIM FOR HIS FIRST POST IN THE GAME?????
^ misrepresentation go away
HAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
NO IT'S NOT
PROVE IT IS OR GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR USELESS CRAP
On June 19 2015 06:12 Holyflare wrote:
Mafia POV 1) I think that it is weird that he says he skimmed through the topic but only payed attention in you and Kelsier. I don't see why a town would do that. More than that, he doesn't say much about Kelsier, the guy he payed more attention to. If he really skimmed the thread, I would expect the had an opinion on more proeminent players under discussion, like LS. This kind of disconnection sounds mafia to me. 2) Opening is mafia-ish, I expect townies to come to the thread and post whatever shit they want and keep going. He made an opening commenting someone's post (easier opening for mafia) + immediately peaced out. Why even bother posting?
That's all I have on him. I read him as mafia, but I disagree with all your points.
everyone is voting with this guy who has these reasons for voting bf
literally ignores everything and says it's because of his first post (the first point is something i already brought up and he said was shit and used it again anyway LOL)
On June 19 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote: Yeah, I'm going against Shockey
hmm...i thought you had bf as a main scum read though
Ugh I don't know this is super fucking weird.
And he still hasn't fucking answered me? Don't you see? This is why I switched. I just posted it out flat for you and him to see why I switched my vote. It just drives me mad when a player can easily avoid me voting them by just answering my question. My read on GB was null as you can see... After he went off with his rage posts, I brought it up that he played just like that in the previous game where he was scum and a smurf... Now how is that weird that I vote for him?
what was your question, why shouldn't you vote for him
he has posted quite a few defences, he didn't say "here shockeyy this one is just for you" but it is in the thread so read.
Can you just read my post previously? I asked more than "Why should I not vote for you"....
you asked him to read your filter..well he has been pretty fucking busy with other people
you have had this weird fake rage reaction like "well you are ignoring me so im going to pressure vote you..." in a situation that gets him lynched...it makes no fucking sense.
Alright fine, let's see how this goes.
##unvote ##vote Boxerfred
Dude go back to GB please he's the better lynch and if Boxerfred flips town we might be in trouble.
On June 19 2015 07:53 wherebugsgo wrote: hey LS does rsoultin normally have such shitty opinions or is she actually scum this game
She nomally have bad opinions from time to time hence I kept on telling her to sheep me after we talked to each other in the Obs QT for Newbie LX.
how would you classify her scum play in comparison?
She plays very similar tio her town player as scum for the first couple of days but mostly now a days she been getting killed off early N1 and N2 so if she makes to Day 3/4 or LYLO you just lynch her I don't know a exact way to read her as scum as I been fooled by her twice.
On June 18 2015 22:46 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up and had a question:
On June 18 2015 17:48 Breshke wrote: Actually when he is back next I want LS to explain WHY he claimed there.
I was tired of being pressured to the extreme from KSC so I claimed there......
Why does one person pressuring you make you claim when you know that is a bad play? One person alone can not lynch you and many others were townreading you.
Because honestly I really dislike pressure on me esp when it was hardcore pressure (See Metal Mini and Newbie LX where I claimed VT under pressure) and felt like KSC was hardcore pressuring me.
On June 19 2015 08:02 Breshke wrote: HF i think him saying there is 4 mafia is a weak and doesn't really make him scum.
GB who is your top scumread as of now? Has your read on me changed at all?
Also not sidetrack anything but
On June 18 2015 22:46 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up and had a question:
On June 18 2015 17:48 Breshke wrote: Actually when he is back next I want LS to explain WHY he claimed there.
I was tired of being pressured to the extreme from KSC so I claimed there......
Why does one person pressuring you make you claim when you know that is a bad play? One person alone can not lynch you and many others were townreading you.
Because honestly I really dislike pressure on me esp when it was hardcore pressure (See Metal Mini and Newbie LX where I claimed VT under pressure) and felt like KSC was hardcore pressuring me.
But there is a difference between claiming VT and claiming blue. Even when the blue role is named VT. If you're town why do you care about being pressured especially when heaps of people thought you were town.
I just don't respond to pressure well and you know this -_-
On June 19 2015 08:11 rsoultin wrote: -flops on ls-
hey you i don't appreciate the her reads are usually bad thing btw
they're not amazing, but i've had some damn good reads in my games
If GB flips scum will bow down to HF and Bugs?
If I flip town will you understand how stupid you are for liking them both and downgrading Rsoultin's play when yours doesn't have half of the quality?
though i agree scum was probably on both wagons, for what it's worth
if I don't get something prior to the silence period I'm going to assume you are scum with GB
...you do realize that threatening me is likely to achieve the opposite of the intended effect
i'll play the game the way i damn well please, and that includes trusting MY READS over yours, and taking the time to make those reads instead of adhering to your timetable
this behavior is not as helpful to town as you seem to thing it is
yes, cause trusting your read on BF has really worked out well for you so far.
That mentality again makes no sense if you are town because you've already been proven to be dead wrong
lol god you're annoying
you're acting like i was balls to the wall bf is scum
i was balls to the wall gb is town
if you can't understand that i don't know how to make it any clearer
i really am going to just ignore you if you can't manage rationality and civility...i don't need to talk to you to get reads or play the game
i've been nice
YOU failed to convince me gb is scum. YOUR points were weak. YOU have some of the responsibility as well...and especially if gb is town as i believe he is YOU should be reevaluating your reads just as much as the rest of us
no, the onus is not on me to reevaluate anything given that there is no evidence that GB is town. The onus is on YOU because you were proven to be wrong about at least one player.
I will reevaluate, based on who pushed boxerfred because I actually want to win this game, unlike you, who are only interested in passing blame around.
BTW how would you explain why GB is so certain there are 4 mafia in this game if he is not scum?
it's true that about 20% of the player base is usually scum? i guess it could be a scum slip but how often does that actually happen? lol
it's happened in one of my first games here, a long time ago, like 3-4 years.
Don't remember the exact details but the dude slipped in a closed setup with 24ish people that the scum KP had to be 2 because # KP = mafia / 2 or something like that, and the third KP had to be from a vig or SK. No idea why he said it but he ended up flipping scum.
honestly ritoky scumslipped....i think it was ritoky?...in carol, so i do know that it happens. however i've seen plenty of people estimate the number of scum and even do it correctly as town (experience with the game makes it easy to guess) so i don't really think it means anything
anyway
in my own time
though probably tonight cause i won't have time after class tomorrow
thank you for toning it down to a discussion. i respond to that much better
in 1 game i claimed to have been notified of an rb, when in the rules it said no notifications for rb; don't remember which
...you do realize that threatening me is likely to achieve the opposite of the intended effect
i'll play the game the way i damn well please, and that includes trusting MY READS over yours, and taking the time to make those reads instead of adhering to your timetable
this behavior is not as helpful to town as you seem to thing it is
yes, cause trusting your read on BF has really worked out well for you so far.
That mentality again makes no sense if you are town because you've already been proven to be dead wrong
lol god you're annoying
you're acting like i was balls to the wall bf is scum
i was balls to the wall gb is town
if you can't understand that i don't know how to make it any clearer
i really am going to just ignore you if you can't manage rationality and civility...i don't need to talk to you to get reads or play the game
i've been nice
YOU failed to convince me gb is scum. YOUR points were weak. YOU have some of the responsibility as well...and especially if gb is town as i believe he is YOU should be reevaluating your reads just as much as the rest of us
no, the onus is not on me to reevaluate anything given that there is no evidence that GB is town. The onus is on YOU because you were proven to be wrong about at least one player.
I will reevaluate, based on who pushed boxerfred because I actually want to win this game, unlike you, who are only interested in passing blame around.
BTW how would you explain why GB is so certain there are 4 mafia in this game if he is not scum?
it's true that about 20% of the player base is usually scum? i guess it could be a scum slip but how often does that actually happen? lol
it's happened in one of my first games here, a long time ago, like 3-4 years.
Don't remember the exact details but the dude slipped in a closed setup with 24ish people that the scum KP had to be 2 because # KP = mafia / 2 or something like that, and the third KP had to be from a vig or SK. No idea why he said it but he ended up flipping scum.
honestly ritoky scumslipped....i think it was ritoky?...in carol, so i do know that it happens. however i've seen plenty of people estimate the number of scum and even do it correctly as town (experience with the game makes it easy to guess) so i don't really think it means anything
anyway
in my own time
though probably tonight cause i won't have time after class tomorrow
thank you for toning it down to a discussion. i respond to that much better
in 1 game i claimed to have been notified of an rb, when in the rules it said no notifications for rb; don't remember which
On June 19 2015 08:02 Breshke wrote: HF i think him saying there is 4 mafia is a weak and doesn't really make him scum.
GB who is your top scumread as of now? Has your read on me changed at all?
Also not sidetrack anything but
On June 18 2015 22:46 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up and had a question:
On June 18 2015 17:48 Breshke wrote: Actually when he is back next I want LS to explain WHY he claimed there.
I was tired of being pressured to the extreme from KSC so I claimed there......
Why does one person pressuring you make you claim when you know that is a bad play? One person alone can not lynch you and many others were townreading you.
Because honestly I really dislike pressure on me esp when it was hardcore pressure (See Metal Mini and Newbie LX where I claimed VT under pressure) and felt like KSC was hardcore pressuring me.
But there is a difference between claiming VT and claiming blue. Even when the blue role is named VT. If you're town why do you care about being pressured especially when heaps of people thought you were town.
I just don't respond to pressure well and you know this -_-
So you would rather not be pressured which is a natural thing to happen in the game and instead have people flame you about claiming blue?
I think the later is worse and I don't understand why your dislike of being pressured is greater than your dislike of people saying your play was bad and getting angry at you.
Not be pressured I prefer more. But I got something to sya now guys. I lied about being named VT I just didn't like the type of pressured from KSC and KSC downgrading really bad so I faked claimed VT. I in fact got a VT pm and would rather get lynched if it's needed to clear up stuff on the wagons.
On June 19 2015 08:28 KelsierSC wrote: I don't feel its likely that someone falls asleep at their pc what, 30 minutes before the lynch and then wakes up straight afterwards, that sounds unlikely
Didn't you had a similar issue at Campus when you got replaced?
On June 19 2015 08:02 Breshke wrote: HF i think him saying there is 4 mafia is a weak and doesn't really make him scum.
GB who is your top scumread as of now? Has your read on me changed at all?
Also not sidetrack anything but
On June 18 2015 22:46 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up and had a question:
On June 18 2015 17:48 Breshke wrote: Actually when he is back next I want LS to explain WHY he claimed there.
I was tired of being pressured to the extreme from KSC so I claimed there......
Why does one person pressuring you make you claim when you know that is a bad play? One person alone can not lynch you and many others were townreading you.
Because honestly I really dislike pressure on me esp when it was hardcore pressure (See Metal Mini and Newbie LX where I claimed VT under pressure) and felt like KSC was hardcore pressuring me.
But there is a difference between claiming VT and claiming blue. Even when the blue role is named VT. If you're town why do you care about being pressured especially when heaps of people thought you were town.
I just don't respond to pressure well and you know this -_-
So you would rather not be pressured which is a natural thing to happen in the game and instead have people flame you about claiming blue?
I think the later is worse and I don't understand why your dislike of being pressured is greater than your dislike of people saying your play was bad and getting angry at you.
Not be pressured I prefer more. But I got something to sya now guys. I lied about being named VT I just didn't like the type of pressured from KSC and KSC downgrading really bad so I faked claimed VT. I in fact got a VT pm and would rather get lynched if it's needed to clear up stuff on the wagons.
On June 19 2015 08:33 wherebugsgo wrote: was that trolling LS or are you actually serious
I not trolling you I just get tired when people pressure me for bs reasons so I decided this time to fake claim blue VT since we actually got that as a possibility.
On June 19 2015 08:02 Breshke wrote: HF i think him saying there is 4 mafia is a weak and doesn't really make him scum.
GB who is your top scumread as of now? Has your read on me changed at all?
Also not sidetrack anything but
On June 18 2015 22:46 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up and had a question: [quote] I was tired of being pressured to the extreme from KSC so I claimed there......
Why does one person pressuring you make you claim when you know that is a bad play? One person alone can not lynch you and many others were townreading you.
Because honestly I really dislike pressure on me esp when it was hardcore pressure (See Metal Mini and Newbie LX where I claimed VT under pressure) and felt like KSC was hardcore pressuring me.
But there is a difference between claiming VT and claiming blue. Even when the blue role is named VT. If you're town why do you care about being pressured especially when heaps of people thought you were town.
I just don't respond to pressure well and you know this -_-
So you would rather not be pressured which is a natural thing to happen in the game and instead have people flame you about claiming blue?
I think the later is worse and I don't understand why your dislike of being pressured is greater than your dislike of people saying your play was bad and getting angry at you.
Not be pressured I prefer more. But I got something to sya now guys. I lied about being named VT I just didn't like the type of pressured from KSC and KSC downgrading really bad so I faked claimed VT. I in fact got a VT pm and would rather get lynched if it's needed to clear up stuff on the wagons.
On June 19 2015 08:42 Breshke wrote: LS I think it would be useful if you talked through the logic of unclaiming blue there
I also want you to hardclaim that you are VT. No going back on this.
I am VT this game and I unclaimed because everyone questioned my claim I didn't really expect to much on and decided enough was enough. I prob just replace out because I just can't play this game as last Friday a friend of mine from High School died in a Car Accident and I only found out after I signed up. I thought that I can play but then with the shit happening this game I can't play it anymore and will commit Sudoku.
On June 19 2015 08:42 rsoultin wrote: yeah ls/gb doesn't make much sense hf
blah i keep saying i'm going to get food
i need to
i'm out unless i have questions later...not gonna post again until i actually review the thread, eat your heart out wbg
and why is that
yes scum can bus but why when town bf is the other wagon?
is this a serious question?
he didn't die so how do we know either way
also since LS and GB were scum last game they very well could've told LS to bus GB because of the whole meta factor and all that shit. First of all who's gonna guess that they roll scum together two games in a row. Last time GB defended LS from dying day 1 and it's not out of the question that they could've decided to do it the other way around this time when GB started taking lynch attention from me. It actually makes sense now that I think about it because LS has been buddying me really hard all game
I promise you my slot will flip VT 33% of the time knowing Millers are unaware and Wondering Townies are Unware too.
On June 19 2015 08:42 Breshke wrote: LS I think it would be useful if you talked through the logic of unclaiming blue there
I also want you to hardclaim that you are VT. No going back on this.
I am VT this game and I unclaimed because everyone questioned my claim I didn't really expect to much on and decided enough was enough. I prob just replace out because I just can't play this game as last Friday a friend of mine from High School died in a Car Accident and I only found out after I signed up. I thought that I can play but then with the shit happening this game I can't play it anymore and will commit Sudoku.
I mean no offense to you or your situation personally; that sucks and I am sorry. However, that does not excuse your play and I am lynching your slot without question unless a vigi shoots you first regardless of if you sub out or not.
Are you willing to play against your win conditions?
On June 19 2015 08:42 Breshke wrote: LS I think it would be useful if you talked through the logic of unclaiming blue there
I also want you to hardclaim that you are VT. No going back on this.
I am VT this game and I unclaimed because everyone questioned my claim I didn't really expect to much on and decided enough was enough. I prob just replace out because I just can't play this game as last Friday a friend of mine from High School died in a Car Accident and I only found out after I signed up. I thought that I can play but then with the shit happening this game I can't play it anymore and will commit Sudoku.
I mean no offense to you or your situation personally; that sucks and I am sorry. However, that does not excuse your play and I am lynching your slot without question unless a vigi shoots you first regardless of if you sub out or not.
Are you willing to play against your win conditions?
Why are you fishing for modkills? You're BY FAR the most anti-town player in the game and towns victory. The ONLY reason you weren't lynched yesterday is your claim. It is invalid, so now the possibility of an anti-town blue is gone. You are scum. Die.
On June 19 2015 08:42 Breshke wrote: LS I think it would be useful if you talked through the logic of unclaiming blue there
I also want you to hardclaim that you are VT. No going back on this.
I am VT this game and I unclaimed because everyone questioned my claim I didn't really expect to much on and decided enough was enough. I prob just replace out because I just can't play this game as last Friday a friend of mine from High School died in a Car Accident and I only found out after I signed up. I thought that I can play but then with the shit happening this game I can't play it anymore and will commit Sudoku.
I mean no offense to you or your situation personally; that sucks and I am sorry. However, that does not excuse your play and I am lynching your slot without question unless a vigi shoots you first regardless of if you sub out or not.
Are you willing to play against your win conditions?
Why are you fishing for modkills? You're BY FAR the most anti-town player in the game and towns victory. The ONLY reason you weren't lynched yesterday is your claim. It is invalid, so now the possibility of an anti-town blue is gone. You are scum. Die.
*and an impediment to towns victory
I done I not going to play nothing I will say or do will change your dumb mind.
On June 19 2015 08:42 Breshke wrote: LS I think it would be useful if you talked through the logic of unclaiming blue there
I also want you to hardclaim that you are VT. No going back on this.
I am VT this game and I unclaimed because everyone questioned my claim I didn't really expect to much on and decided enough was enough. I prob just replace out because I just can't play this game as last Friday a friend of mine from High School died in a Car Accident and I only found out after I signed up. I thought that I can play but then with the shit happening this game I can't play it anymore and will commit Sudoku.
I mean no offense to you or your situation personally; that sucks and I am sorry. However, that does not excuse your play and I am lynching your slot without question unless a vigi shoots you first regardless of if you sub out or not.
Are you willing to play against your win conditions?
Why are you fishing for modkills? You're BY FAR the most anti-town player in the game and towns victory. The ONLY reason you weren't lynched yesterday is your claim. It is invalid, so now the possibility of an anti-town blue is gone. You are scum. Die.
FUCK OFF
k, i won't post until my vote at the start of the day.
I already sent the pm to HTS and FF to replace out.
On June 19 2015 08:42 Breshke wrote: LS I think it would be useful if you talked through the logic of unclaiming blue there
I also want you to hardclaim that you are VT. No going back on this.
I am VT this game and I unclaimed because everyone questioned my claim I didn't really expect to much on and decided enough was enough. I prob just replace out because I just can't play this game as last Friday a friend of mine from High School died in a Car Accident and I only found out after I signed up. I thought that I can play but then with the shit happening this game I can't play it anymore and will commit Sudoku.
I mean no offense to you or your situation personally; that sucks and I am sorry. However, that does not excuse your play and I am lynching your slot without question unless a vigi shoots you first regardless of if you sub out or not.
Are you willing to play against your win conditions?
Why are you fishing for modkills? You're BY FAR the most anti-town player in the game and towns victory. The ONLY reason you weren't lynched yesterday is your claim. It is invalid, so now the possibility of an anti-town blue is gone. You are scum. Die.
*and an impediment to towns victory
I done I not going to play nothing I will say or do will change your dumb mind.
don't quit LS.
despite me thinking your claim and subsequent unclaim was really stupid it doesn't actually make you scum and nothing some jubjubs say should make you quit.
I just to pissed to play atm and will get lynched regardless what I say or do.
On June 19 2015 08:58 Breshke wrote: LS talk to me like people want to lynch you so what ignore them for now.
So I was pressuring your blueclaim. Why did you unclaim? Noone had counterclaimed you so you knew it was fairly safe that there wasnt an actual named VT. You don't like pressure so why did you think unclaiming blue would take away pressure from you?
Because it erase the fact that I was never blue this game and make it clear I rather commit Sudoku than anything atm.
On June 19 2015 08:42 Breshke wrote: LS I think it would be useful if you talked through the logic of unclaiming blue there
I also want you to hardclaim that you are VT. No going back on this.
I am VT this game and I unclaimed because everyone questioned my claim I didn't really expect to much on and decided enough was enough. I prob just replace out because I just can't play this game as last Friday a friend of mine from High School died in a Car Accident and I only found out after I signed up. I thought that I can play but then with the shit happening this game I can't play it anymore and will commit Sudoku.
I mean no offense to you or your situation personally; that sucks and I am sorry. However, that does not excuse your play and I am lynching your slot without question unless a vigi shoots you first regardless of if you sub out or not.
Are you willing to play against your win conditions?
Why are you fishing for modkills? You're BY FAR the most anti-town player in the game and towns victory. The ONLY reason you weren't lynched yesterday is your claim. It is invalid, so now the possibility of an anti-town blue is gone. You are scum. Die.
FUCK OFF
k, i won't post until my vote at the start of the day.
I already sent the pm to HTS and FF to replace out.
Wow..that is some pretty weak shit.
I really hope you're mafia because if you are town you ... No I'm not being modkilled
I am VT weather you like it or not. Ask the person who replaces me what role they got.
On June 19 2015 08:46 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] I am VT this game and I unclaimed because everyone questioned my claim I didn't really expect to much on and decided enough was enough. I prob just replace out because I just can't play this game as last Friday a friend of mine from High School died in a Car Accident and I only found out after I signed up. I thought that I can play but then with the shit happening this game I can't play it anymore and will commit Sudoku.
I mean no offense to you or your situation personally; that sucks and I am sorry. However, that does not excuse your play and I am lynching your slot without question unless a vigi shoots you first regardless of if you sub out or not.
Are you willing to play against your win conditions?
Why are you fishing for modkills? You're BY FAR the most anti-town player in the game and towns victory. The ONLY reason you weren't lynched yesterday is your claim. It is invalid, so now the possibility of an anti-town blue is gone. You are scum. Die.
FUCK OFF
k, i won't post until my vote at the start of the day.
I already sent the pm to HTS and FF to replace out.
Wow..that is some pretty weak shit.
I really hope you're mafia because if you are town you ... No I'm not being modkilled
I am VT weather you like it or not. Ask the person who replaces me what role they got.
hey you should take a break from the thread.
take a deep breath, drink some water, go play some video games or whatever. Maybe play with a pet if you have one. Eat some ice cream. Do whatever you have to, then come back when you think you can help me find scum.
Really, I'm serious, I would rather have 5 of you in this game than almost anyone else in the playerlist.
I will try I going to play some Pokemon TCG Online for a little bit and hopefully my mind will be cleared in a hour (I would Play Super Smash Brothers Melee but trying to do the 15 Min Multi Man Melee been extremely painful for me T_T)
Okay guys I had calmed down and I will apologize for my actions but I still think Bugs is the towniest of town and same with HF the actually the ones at EoD tried to prevent Boxer from being lynched as the disliked the reason why Boxer should be lynched. Also what I said about my friend actually is true sadly he was one of the nicer guys from my High School and he was coming home to see his younger brother graduate from High School when he died from the car accident which is extremely sad honestly. I had cleared my head a little and willing to work as long I alive. If anyone want to talk to me feel free to talk to me
On June 19 2015 09:40 Fidei86 wrote: WBG, I'm going to hit you with some LOGIC right now.
If you're town, some of the people who are disagreeing with you KNOW you're wrong/right (because they're mafia!) and therefore their responses to your thoughts may well make no sense. The people you DO want to work with you (ie the town) are probably not going to appreciate being called dullards, so you just lost influence with them.
Obviously if you're mafia then w/e.
In summary - if you're town, don't say shit like that. Otherwise, people might start thinking you're mafia.
FYI I don't think Bugs is mafia he did very similar behavior last game in Witchcraft III when he was town just from my own personal experience with him.
On June 19 2015 10:19 Breshke wrote: LS are you still around? I want to talk about your claim a little more.
I will be in about a half hour because I playing Liquidlegends.net inhouses atm but you can drop by the claim question stuff now if you want to talk about it.
On June 19 2015 10:19 Breshke wrote: LS are you still around? I want to talk about your claim a little more.
I will be in about a half hour because I playing Liquidlegends.net inhouses atm but you can drop by the claim question stuff now if you want to talk about it.
Yeah im just wondering why you unclaimed. Since the original reason for claiming was to get rid of pressure so isn't that pressure jsut going to come back? Also you claim was fairly safe since you hadn't been CC'd and you didnt have any abilities that you had to prove.
This is like fringe stuff though so if you want to talk about your reads like ritoky said that is fine and probably better.
Ya I people were still doubting my claim and still thought I was scum for it so I decided enough was enough and decided to just put it to rest.
On June 19 2015 10:19 Breshke wrote: LS are you still around? I want to talk about your claim a little more.
I will be in about a half hour because I playing Liquidlegends.net inhouses atm but you can drop by the claim question stuff now if you want to talk about it.
Yeah im just wondering why you unclaimed. Since the original reason for claiming was to get rid of pressure so isn't that pressure jsut going to come back? Also you claim was fairly safe since you hadn't been CC'd and you didnt have any abilities that you had to prove.
This is like fringe stuff though so if you want to talk about your reads like ritoky said that is fine and probably better.
Ya I people were still doubting my claim and still thought I was scum for it so I decided enough was enough and decided to just put it to rest.
On June 19 2015 10:29 ritoky wrote: Yo, LS I calmed down a bit while cooking dinner. I am sorry if me brow beating you turned you off from playing, had no intention of doing that. I think it is the sub-par play thus far combined with an agitator in the thread (who is getting a rise out of me and rsoul who are usually pretty nice) that drove me to just keep hammering you. I kinda realized something though. Way back when I started playing on another forum I did a whole fake claim shennanigans, rescind claim lulz stuff and some1 went absolutely apeshit on me and I was town and it was just bad all around. I kinda ended up being that guy and not being capable of imagining a world in which this comes from town.
So I am gonna try and just wash this whole claim business out of my brain (no promises) and evaluate your play not centered around it. So far from what I have gone through in your filter, I still have you leaning scum (particularly cuz of the shockeyy read flip thing too); but I won't just auto vote and ignore you. Please give reads before the end of the night so I can keep evaluating you with as open of a mind as I can.
I will I prob just make a document of my reads if I can figure out how to do one like Bugs did last game to make it easier for you guys to see my reasoning and stuff for it by End of Night. Also about shockeyy his hammer seemed really odd considering that he was scumreading GB more than Boxerfred I think if I recalled correctly but you know sometimes people do odd things at End of Days.
On June 19 2015 10:29 ritoky wrote: Yo, LS I calmed down a bit while cooking dinner. I am sorry if me brow beating you turned you off from playing, had no intention of doing that. I think it is the sub-par play thus far combined with an agitator in the thread (who is getting a rise out of me and rsoul who are usually pretty nice) that drove me to just keep hammering you. I kinda realized something though. Way back when I started playing on another forum I did a whole fake claim shennanigans, rescind claim lulz stuff and some1 went absolutely apeshit on me and I was town and it was just bad all around. I kinda ended up being that guy and not being capable of imagining a world in which this comes from town.
So I am gonna try and just wash this whole claim business out of my brain (no promises) and evaluate your play not centered around it. So far from what I have gone through in your filter, I still have you leaning scum (particularly cuz of the shockeyy read flip thing too); but I won't just auto vote and ignore you. Please give reads before the end of the night so I can keep evaluating you with as open of a mind as I can.
I will I prob just make a document of my reads if I can figure out how to do one like Bugs did last game to make it easier for you guys to see my reasoning and stuff for it by End of Night. Also about shockeyy his hammer seemed really odd considering that he was scumreading GB more than Boxerfred I think if I recalled correctly but you know sometimes people do odd things at End of Days.
Also on the side note ya Bugs can come off as a asshole but he is a pretty good player from looking at his past games and shit when I was playing scum vs him in Witchcraft III
On June 19 2015 11:02 rsoultin wrote: for anyone wondering...
i'm just gonna come right out and be blunt about it (sorry if i offend you ls)
lightningstrike, who barely can scratch together the motivation to play under normal circumstances, has been trying way too hard for scum given circumstances that he'd have to be a complete asshole to make up. and he's not a complete asshole <3 simply, if he rolled scum, he would definitely have replaced out much earlier and i sincerely doubt hts doesn't prioritize his request all things considered
like the only way this isn't true if he's lying about what happened which i refuse to believe he'd even consider doing
he's basically confirmed town in my eyes, and really should be to any players who know him more than passingly
that's my spiel
I normally don't get motivation when I play scum now adays because I really dislike it since I normally not a evil person irl and never one to really lie unless it's to protect a friend from serious trouble I more of a person who stands up for others than bully others. I do get plenty of motivation but sometimes pressures gets to me and I do weird stuff because of it >.>
On June 19 2015 11:02 rsoultin wrote: for anyone wondering...
i'm just gonna come right out and be blunt about it (sorry if i offend you ls)
lightningstrike, who barely can scratch together the motivation to play under normal circumstances, has been trying way too hard for scum given circumstances that he'd have to be a complete asshole to make up. and he's not a complete asshole <3 simply, if he rolled scum, he would definitely have replaced out much earlier and i sincerely doubt hts doesn't prioritize his request all things considered
like the only way this isn't true if he's lying about what happened which i refuse to believe he'd even consider doing
he's basically confirmed town in my eyes, and really should be to any players who know him more than passingly
that's my spiel
damnnn this read feels dirty.
What if after last game he decided to try and step it up.
dirty in what way?
like, there are things about lightningstrike that i simply don't say cause it's not my place, but this comes from a place beyond meta or tone and goes right to his personality. i've talked to him extensively and we've spent time together outside this forum. personally, and i understand if people don't accept this judgment but i'm pretty confident of it, i think it is completely beyond him to do this as scum. he's been criticized multiple times for being lazy as scum and not playing simply because he's not "motivated". if he ever does overcome that, i sincerely doubt this is that first time
On June 19 2015 12:16 LightningStrike wrote: Quoting my answer to make it easier for you to see since it was at the bottom of the page:
On June 19 2015 11:25 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 19 2015 10:49 Breshke wrote:
On June 19 2015 10:21 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 19 2015 10:19 Breshke wrote: LS are you still around? I want to talk about your claim a little more.
I will be in about a half hour because I playing Liquidlegends.net inhouses atm but you can drop by the claim question stuff now if you want to talk about it.
Yeah im just wondering why you unclaimed. Since the original reason for claiming was to get rid of pressure so isn't that pressure jsut going to come back? Also you claim was fairly safe since you hadn't been CC'd and you didnt have any abilities that you had to prove.
This is like fringe stuff though so if you want to talk about your reads like ritoky said that is fine and probably better.
Ya I people were still doubting my claim and still thought I was scum for it so I decided enough was enough and decided to just put it to rest.
Me sheeping rsouls most recent read makes me questioning you about any of your claim stuff redundent
Basically what it was going to amount to is I don't understand how you thought unclaiming would make the thing you dislike, being pressure, stop occurring.
I eagerly await your reads thingo though.
No it wasn't about getting rid of the pressure it's actually because of WIFOM stuff would be very complicated if you guys saw me flip green VT when I had claimed named VT and also because some of the people who were questioning my claim actually were correct though although this is the very first time I did fake claim as town. Also about my reads thing I will try to get it out towards end of night are maybe like a hour before so everyone can read it as like a last will type of thing in case I do die.
On June 19 2015 10:29 ritoky wrote: Yo, LS I calmed down a bit while cooking dinner. I am sorry if me brow beating you turned you off from playing, had no intention of doing that. I think it is the sub-par play thus far combined with an agitator in the thread (who is getting a rise out of me and rsoul who are usually pretty nice) that drove me to just keep hammering you. I kinda realized something though. Way back when I started playing on another forum I did a whole fake claim shennanigans, rescind claim lulz stuff and some1 went absolutely apeshit on me and I was town and it was just bad all around. I kinda ended up being that guy and not being capable of imagining a world in which this comes from town.
So I am gonna try and just wash this whole claim business out of my brain (no promises) and evaluate your play not centered around it. So far from what I have gone through in your filter, I still have you leaning scum (particularly cuz of the shockeyy read flip thing too); but I won't just auto vote and ignore you. Please give reads before the end of the night so I can keep evaluating you with as open of a mind as I can.
I will I prob just make a document of my reads if I can figure out how to do one like Bugs did last game to make it easier for you guys to see my reasoning and stuff for it by End of Night. Also about shockeyy his hammer seemed really odd considering that he was scumreading GB more than Boxerfred I think if I recalled correctly but you know sometimes people do odd things at End of Days.
Also on the side note ya Bugs can come off as a asshole but he is a pretty good player from looking at his past games and shit when I was playing scum vs him in Witchcraft III
at the risk of sounding bitchy, ls...that neither makes him infallible nor town
you say he's good
he builds a case on at least one but quite probably three towns all in one day, and maybe it's just that we see the world differently but his cases didn't really impress me...he took things that were odd and from what seemed like confirmation bias chose to paint them all scum through the prism of "motivation" which is a fancy way of saying narrative...especially if he doesn't take the time to consider both possible motivations
to me that isn't good
the problem of reconciling one with the other has me wavering on him constantly
Just trust me on this meta read he normally doesn't do cases and tunnel hard as scum from my research on him
On June 19 2015 10:29 ritoky wrote: Yo, LS I calmed down a bit while cooking dinner. I am sorry if me brow beating you turned you off from playing, had no intention of doing that. I think it is the sub-par play thus far combined with an agitator in the thread (who is getting a rise out of me and rsoul who are usually pretty nice) that drove me to just keep hammering you. I kinda realized something though. Way back when I started playing on another forum I did a whole fake claim shennanigans, rescind claim lulz stuff and some1 went absolutely apeshit on me and I was town and it was just bad all around. I kinda ended up being that guy and not being capable of imagining a world in which this comes from town.
So I am gonna try and just wash this whole claim business out of my brain (no promises) and evaluate your play not centered around it. So far from what I have gone through in your filter, I still have you leaning scum (particularly cuz of the shockeyy read flip thing too); but I won't just auto vote and ignore you. Please give reads before the end of the night so I can keep evaluating you with as open of a mind as I can.
I will I prob just make a document of my reads if I can figure out how to do one like Bugs did last game to make it easier for you guys to see my reasoning and stuff for it by End of Night. Also about shockeyy his hammer seemed really odd considering that he was scumreading GB more than Boxerfred I think if I recalled correctly but you know sometimes people do odd things at End of Days.
Also on the side note ya Bugs can come off as a asshole but he is a pretty good player from looking at his past games and shit when I was playing scum vs him in Witchcraft III
at the risk of sounding bitchy, ls...that neither makes him infallible nor town
you say he's good
he builds a case on at least one but quite probably three towns all in one day, and maybe it's just that we see the world differently but his cases didn't really impress me...he took things that were odd and from what seemed like confirmation bias chose to paint them all scum through the prism of "motivation" which is a fancy way of saying narrative...especially if he doesn't take the time to consider both possible motivations
to me that isn't good
the problem of reconciling one with the other has me wavering on him constantly
Just trust me on this meta read he normally doesn't do cases and tunnel hard as scum from my research on him
On top of that he does actually have a large filter size which he generally doesn't have as scum.
On June 19 2015 12:34 rsoultin wrote: i should probably bother to read his filter in the witchcraft game but i don't know if i want to subject myself to that more than i have to lol in all honesty
also...i know this sounds strange...but i really don't know what to make of his comment to you, LS
five players like you in the game more than any other player in the game? because he thinks he can read you better? because he was actually trying to be nice, which seems out of character for him? or, and this is paranoia i know but i can't shake it, because you follow him around blindly and do what he says
if it's that last...that's not really a town sentiment. it's not because of your play this game in terms of helping find scum. that's certain
I think part of it is that he can read me better part of it is the last because he was able to make a really good meta case on me when I was scum and actually took the time to do go into the database and posted questions of my past posts to see if anyone can identify which posts were from town me and which posts came from scum me and provided the answers too at the end of each segment of posts. Also I was liking him too because he actually looked like he trying to solve the game and taking the time to do cases and since me and him played together last game in witchcraft ofc he prob go for me since he felt I was town for the most part.
On June 19 2015 10:29 ritoky wrote: Yo, LS I calmed down a bit while cooking dinner. I am sorry if me brow beating you turned you off from playing, had no intention of doing that. I think it is the sub-par play thus far combined with an agitator in the thread (who is getting a rise out of me and rsoul who are usually pretty nice) that drove me to just keep hammering you. I kinda realized something though. Way back when I started playing on another forum I did a whole fake claim shennanigans, rescind claim lulz stuff and some1 went absolutely apeshit on me and I was town and it was just bad all around. I kinda ended up being that guy and not being capable of imagining a world in which this comes from town.
So I am gonna try and just wash this whole claim business out of my brain (no promises) and evaluate your play not centered around it. So far from what I have gone through in your filter, I still have you leaning scum (particularly cuz of the shockeyy read flip thing too); but I won't just auto vote and ignore you. Please give reads before the end of the night so I can keep evaluating you with as open of a mind as I can.
I will I prob just make a document of my reads if I can figure out how to do one like Bugs did last game to make it easier for you guys to see my reasoning and stuff for it by End of Night. Also about shockeyy his hammer seemed really odd considering that he was scumreading GB more than Boxerfred I think if I recalled correctly but you know sometimes people do odd things at End of Days.
Also on the side note ya Bugs can come off as a asshole but he is a pretty good player from looking at his past games and shit when I was playing scum vs him in Witchcraft III
at the risk of sounding bitchy, ls...that neither makes him infallible nor town
you say he's good
he builds a case on at least one but quite probably three towns all in one day, and maybe it's just that we see the world differently but his cases didn't really impress me...he took things that were odd and from what seemed like confirmation bias chose to paint them all scum through the prism of "motivation" which is a fancy way of saying narrative...especially if he doesn't take the time to consider both possible motivations
to me that isn't good
the problem of reconciling one with the other has me wavering on him constantly
Just trust me on this meta read he normally doesn't do cases and tunnel hard as scum from my research on him
no? can you link those so i can put this to rest?
@.@ the tunneling and being a bastard about it in the process is supremely off-putting
On June 19 2015 10:29 ritoky wrote: Yo, LS I calmed down a bit while cooking dinner. I am sorry if me brow beating you turned you off from playing, had no intention of doing that. I think it is the sub-par play thus far combined with an agitator in the thread (who is getting a rise out of me and rsoul who are usually pretty nice) that drove me to just keep hammering you. I kinda realized something though. Way back when I started playing on another forum I did a whole fake claim shennanigans, rescind claim lulz stuff and some1 went absolutely apeshit on me and I was town and it was just bad all around. I kinda ended up being that guy and not being capable of imagining a world in which this comes from town.
So I am gonna try and just wash this whole claim business out of my brain (no promises) and evaluate your play not centered around it. So far from what I have gone through in your filter, I still have you leaning scum (particularly cuz of the shockeyy read flip thing too); but I won't just auto vote and ignore you. Please give reads before the end of the night so I can keep evaluating you with as open of a mind as I can.
I will I prob just make a document of my reads if I can figure out how to do one like Bugs did last game to make it easier for you guys to see my reasoning and stuff for it by End of Night. Also about shockeyy his hammer seemed really odd considering that he was scumreading GB more than Boxerfred I think if I recalled correctly but you know sometimes people do odd things at End of Days.
Also on the side note ya Bugs can come off as a asshole but he is a pretty good player from looking at his past games and shit when I was playing scum vs him in Witchcraft III
at the risk of sounding bitchy, ls...that neither makes him infallible nor town
you say he's good
he builds a case on at least one but quite probably three towns all in one day, and maybe it's just that we see the world differently but his cases didn't really impress me...he took things that were odd and from what seemed like confirmation bias chose to paint them all scum through the prism of "motivation" which is a fancy way of saying narrative...especially if he doesn't take the time to consider both possible motivations
to me that isn't good
the problem of reconciling one with the other has me wavering on him constantly
Just trust me on this meta read he normally doesn't do cases and tunnel hard as scum from my research on him
no? can you link those so i can put this to rest?
@.@ the tunneling and being a bastard about it in the process is supremely off-putting
On June 19 2015 13:00 rsoultin wrote: hey ls, you're the meta master
check my gb meta/personality/tonal thing for me will you?
i assert that
1) he often does use all caps as either alignment 2) he has made bad cases as town 3) his attention shifts quickly in many directions, and often associatively (i.e in Assassination he was so convinced marv was scum that anyone marv voted on he refused to vote for, regardless of his own read on the player) while as scum he tends to focus in on just one or two things and ride it hard (this is not to say he doesn't tunnel as town, just that as town he actually looks outside the tunnel)
I will eventually do it but I just kinda tired and been losing sleep because I been stressing out over this game so maybe see in my document if I learn how to make one similar to the one that bugs had made in witchcraft which made pretty much confirmed town there.
On June 20 2015 00:15 GlowingBear wrote: I'm not a teacher, I'm not lunching possible town LS to teach him a lesson
I dont want you to lunch him I want you to lynch him.
Next game when LS rolls Cop an Important role and claims day one with town you for shit reasons. And is shot N1 and you lose because you lost your cop you will be all like DAMN ONEGU TOO SMART IF ONLY I PLYNCHED LS THAT GAME WE COULD HAVE WON.
Or next game LS rolls scum and fake claims because it is his town meta to do so against town GB and you dont lynch him because that is his meta. You will be all like DAMN ONEGU TOO SMART IF ONLY I PLYNCHED LS THAT GAME WE COULD HAVE WON.
I only ever claimed Cop Day 1 when I was getting lynched in my first game ever check database if you want proof Also why you playing against your win condition? Unless you are scum this is getting old(Yawns).
Also interesting note about GB regqarding rsoultins points: 1. He does do it as both alignment but does it more as scum than town juding from a small sample size. 2. I know he had made bad cases before as both alignments from memory and looking back in his recent games. 3. He does seem to focus on 1 thing more often as scum and he doesn't do associative votes when he's town (See Assassination since that's the latest game in the database) Also another interesting thing to note is that GB posts more as town than scum and does have one of the largest filters this game. Conclusion: Bugs could be wrong on GB's alignment and could be tunneled from last game :O
On June 20 2015 00:15 GlowingBear wrote: I'm not a teacher, I'm not lunching possible town LS to teach him a lesson
I dont want you to lunch him I want you to lynch him.
Next game when LS rolls Cop an Important role and claims day one with town you for shit reasons. And is shot N1 and you lose because you lost your cop you will be all like DAMN ONEGU TOO SMART IF ONLY I PLYNCHED LS THAT GAME WE COULD HAVE WON.
Or next game LS rolls scum and fake claims because it is his town meta to do so against town GB and you dont lynch him because that is his meta. You will be all like DAMN ONEGU TOO SMART IF ONLY I PLYNCHED LS THAT GAME WE COULD HAVE WON.
I only ever claimed Cop Day 1 when I was getting lynched in my first game ever check database if you want proof Also why you playing against your win condition? Unless you are scum this is getting old(Yawns).
killing you is playing to the town win condition regardless of your alignment,
On June 20 2015 01:06 LightningStrike wrote: Also interesting note about GB regqarding rsoultins points: 1. He does do it as both alignment but does it more as scum than town juding from a small sample size. 2. I know he had made bad cases before as both alignments from memory and looking back in his recent games. 3. He does seem to focus on 1 thing more often as scum and he doesn't do associative votes when he's town (See Assassination since that's the latest game in the database) Also another interesting thing to note is that GB posts more as town than scum and does have one of the largest filters this game. Conclusion: Bugs could be wrong on GB's alignment and could be tunneled from last game :O
ok if GB is town who are the mafia ?
I found shockeyy's behavior very weird EoD I did reconsider my scumread on him around EoD then stuff happened with him switching to BF when GB was his scumread and his explanation seemed weak at best. VA is always a good policy lynch since he does very little as both alignments from what I remember of him. If I wrong on one of my town reads it could be Mig he haven't really posted much although I did like of content earlier and how he voted BF at the end end seemed weird esp given his reaction to shockeyy's switch.
On June 20 2015 00:29 wherebugsgo wrote: This might be my last post unfortunately
Tomorrow when I am not around lynch GB, when he flips scum lynch Shockeyy. If he miraculously somehow doesn't flip scum then consider players like Onegu, rsoultin, and yamato, because if we had 2 town wagons yesterday scum are likely to be the ones who were lurkish or those who didn't really have scum reads
Not a single mention on Mig, who raised suspicions on me but did not vote me. But Shockey? Oh, he IS Mafia. LOLOLOLOL
Bugs, pls
Actually it's a little weird you constantly point out Mig, can't tell if that's because you are trying to associate or disassociate.
But yes I forgot about him, if you flip scum he's probably scum too since he said he would vote you but didn't
I will only associate after one of you flips
But my problem here is your discourse in the beginning of the game "Mig is the only one I know and that I have a good grasp on his play" and completely forgetting him. He then comes to the game and you comment on him and give him a town read ONLY when inquired. Then you're in this HELLISH tunnel on me that everybody that defends me is almost instantly scum (you said to Rsoultin "lol you're probably Mafia with GB" and you are locking on lynching Shockey right after me), but Mig is out of that.
As you know Mig's play I thought you could say "doing that, although wrong, is his town play", but you said you FORGOT about him and that he is PROBABLY MAFIA. lol
Double standards much? You're not trying to solve the game at all, you're just pushing an agenda that feels good to you.
GB before bugs went against you who would you say the most likely lynch candidates were going to be?
I can't answer this without wifoming. If you're okay with that:
Boxerfred would always be a wagon. He got 7 votes. Then Mig brought suspicions on me, bugs started working with that, I derped hard and a second wagon was built on me. I think my wagon was scum driven. They secured a mislynch by having two townies as main wagons.
The person who got a lot of flak was LS. Although a lot of people defended him, the push on LS was hard. I think he would be the second candidate.
Which reinforces your idea of LS being scum (in other words, deflecting his wagon to create mine)
I'm more interested in what you think of Ls actually not me
I think judging from this post I think GB thinks I scum. I will roll over and die but if you guys can't find scum don't blame me.
On June 20 2015 00:15 GlowingBear wrote: I'm not a teacher, I'm not lunching possible town LS to teach him a lesson
I dont want you to lunch him I want you to lynch him.
Next game when LS rolls Cop an Important role and claims day one with town you for shit reasons. And is shot N1 and you lose because you lost your cop you will be all like DAMN ONEGU TOO SMART IF ONLY I PLYNCHED LS THAT GAME WE COULD HAVE WON.
Or next game LS rolls scum and fake claims because it is his town meta to do so against town GB and you dont lynch him because that is his meta. You will be all like DAMN ONEGU TOO SMART IF ONLY I PLYNCHED LS THAT GAME WE COULD HAVE WON.
I only ever claimed Cop Day 1 when I was getting lynched in my first game ever check database if you want proof Also why you playing against your win condition? Unless you are scum this is getting old(Yawns).
Here all the roles I had played except for Witchcraft III which I was a Witchhunter: Campus Mafia Town Detective Lynched Day 1 Student Mafia IV Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 3 TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells Town Ghost of Christmas Present Survived Night 5 Metal Mini Mafia! Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4 Newbie Mini Mafia LX Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 New Years Eve Party Mini Mafia Town Vigilante Killed Night 3 Student Mafia V Town Cop Killed Night 2 Linux Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Night 1 Horn of Africa Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 3 Slytherin Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 3 VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan... Town Vanilla Survived Night 4 Office Mini Mafia Town Cop Survived Day 4 Jack of All Trades Mafia Mafia Vanilla Survived Night 3 XXX Mini Mafia: A Night of Debauchery (18+) Town Roleblocker Scum killed Night 2 TL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 2 Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal Town Commissioner Gordon Killed Night 2 Game of Thrones Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 Newbie Student Mafia VIII Town Vigilante Killed Night 2 Hajime no Ippo Maifa Town David Eagle Killed Night 5 Assassination Mafia! Town Martyr Survived Day 3 Where does it say I had layed JK?
On June 20 2015 01:20 LightningStrike wrote: Here all the roles I had played except for Witchcraft III which I was a Witchhunter: Campus Mafia Town Detective Lynched Day 1 Student Mafia IV Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 3 TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells Town Ghost of Christmas Present Survived Night 5 Metal Mini Mafia! Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4 Newbie Mini Mafia LX Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 New Years Eve Party Mini Mafia Town Vigilante Killed Night 3 Student Mafia V Town Cop Killed Night 2 Linux Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Night 1 Horn of Africa Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 3 Slytherin Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 3 VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan... Town Vanilla Survived Night 4 Office Mini Mafia Town Cop Survived Day 4 Jack of All Trades Mafia Mafia Vanilla Survived Night 3 XXX Mini Mafia: A Night of Debauchery (18+) Town Roleblocker Scum killed Night 2 TL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 2 Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal Town Commissioner Gordon Killed Night 2 Game of Thrones Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 Newbie Student Mafia VIII Town Vigilante Killed Night 2 Hajime no Ippo Maifa Town David Eagle Killed Night 5 Assassination Mafia! Town Martyr Survived Day 3 Where does it say I had played JK?
On June 20 2015 01:20 LightningStrike wrote: Here all the roles I had played except for Witchcraft III which I was a Witchhunter: Campus Mafia Town Detective Lynched Day 1 Student Mafia IV Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 3 TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells Town Ghost of Christmas Present Survived Night 5 Metal Mini Mafia! Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4 Newbie Mini Mafia LX Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 New Years Eve Party Mini Mafia Town Vigilante Killed Night 3 Student Mafia V Town Cop Killed Night 2 Linux Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Night 1 Horn of Africa Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 3 Slytherin Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 3 VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan... Town Vanilla Survived Night 4 Office Mini Mafia Town Cop Survived Day 4 Jack of All Trades Mafia Mafia Vanilla Survived Night 3 XXX Mini Mafia: A Night of Debauchery (18+) Town Roleblocker Scum killed Night 2 TL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 2 Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal Town Commissioner Gordon Killed Night 2 Game of Thrones Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 Newbie Student Mafia VIII Town Vigilante Killed Night 2 Hajime no Ippo Maifa Town David Eagle Killed Night 5 Assassination Mafia! Town Martyr Survived Day 3 Where does it say I had layed JK?
no one cares
That was towards Onegu who thought I had played Jail Keeper when I never did.
On June 20 2015 01:21 Onegu wrote: Sorry you were just RB not JK
I claimed RB Day 2 and there was multiple doctor claims there so I thought that would shut down at least one of the doctor claims and it did Palmar resided his claim and we talked about the balance of Town Roleblocker and Doctor together which I did say it was very unlikely but could happen.
On June 20 2015 01:21 Onegu wrote: Sorry you were just RB not JK
I claimed RB Day 2 and there was multiple doctor claims there so I thought that would shut down at least one of the doctor claims and it did Palmar resided his claim and we talked about the balance of Town Roleblocker and Doctor together which I did say it was very unlikely but could happen.
And sure enough there was no doctor in the game lol.
On June 20 2015 00:29 wherebugsgo wrote: This might be my last post unfortunately
Tomorrow when I am not around lynch GB, when he flips scum lynch Shockeyy. If he miraculously somehow doesn't flip scum then consider players like Onegu, rsoultin, and yamato, because if we had 2 town wagons yesterday scum are likely to be the ones who were lurkish or those who didn't really have scum reads
Not a single mention on Mig, who raised suspicions on me but did not vote me. But Shockey? Oh, he IS Mafia. LOLOLOLOL
Bugs, pls
Actually it's a little weird you constantly point out Mig, can't tell if that's because you are trying to associate or disassociate.
But yes I forgot about him, if you flip scum he's probably scum too since he said he would vote you but didn't
I will only associate after one of you flips
But my problem here is your discourse in the beginning of the game "Mig is the only one I know and that I have a good grasp on his play" and completely forgetting him. He then comes to the game and you comment on him and give him a town read ONLY when inquired. Then you're in this HELLISH tunnel on me that everybody that defends me is almost instantly scum (you said to Rsoultin "lol you're probably Mafia with GB" and you are locking on lynching Shockey right after me), but Mig is out of that.
As you know Mig's play I thought you could say "doing that, although wrong, is his town play", but you said you FORGOT about him and that he is PROBABLY MAFIA. lol
Double standards much? You're not trying to solve the game at all, you're just pushing an agenda that feels good to you.
GB before bugs went against you who would you say the most likely lynch candidates were going to be?
I can't answer this without wifoming. If you're okay with that:
Boxerfred would always be a wagon. He got 7 votes. Then Mig brought suspicions on me, bugs started working with that, I derped hard and a second wagon was built on me. I think my wagon was scum driven. They secured a mislynch by having two townies as main wagons.
The person who got a lot of flak was LS. Although a lot of people defended him, the push on LS was hard. I think he would be the second candidate.
Which reinforces your idea of LS being scum (in other words, deflecting his wagon to create mine)
I'm more interested in what you think of Ls actually not me
In torn apart, really.
I have these town traits coming from him: activity, genuine emotions, fake claim Mafis traits: using bad arguments to survive, calling me town but locking a lynch on me based on a bugs case he couldn't rve get deeper on why it was good, unclaim
I was townreading him for the unclaim because I couldn't see why Mafia would get out of the safe spot that saved him from being lynched just to say I ACTUALLY LIED LOLOLOLOL But then, thinking about it further, I realised that he could be afraid of investigative roles that may have in the game that could get a red check on him, so he unclaimed in a way he had an excuse to say "if I turn red, I could be Miller". And he did that EXACTLY after I joked about it, and he said "anyone can claim Miller, you know?" So it crossed his head after I said it and he may have thought that it would be safer to do that.
But my problem is that I can see him doing it as VT afraid of a check. And it sucks
My biggest concern is that his fake claim AND his unclaim were made out to survive. Which we all know is a scum trait.
And if he is Mafia they absolutely don't have a Miller
You know I actually had a dream that I was the Miller and they happen to investigated me as a Cop and the Cop outed out I got lynched and Cop gets night killed lol.
On June 20 2015 01:06 LightningStrike wrote: Also interesting note about GB regqarding rsoultins points: 1. He does do it as both alignment but does it more as scum than town juding from a small sample size. 2. I know he had made bad cases before as both alignments from memory and looking back in his recent games. 3. He does seem to focus on 1 thing more often as scum and he doesn't do associative votes when he's town (See Assassination since that's the latest game in the database) Also another interesting thing to note is that GB posts more as town than scum and does have one of the largest filters this game. Conclusion: Bugs could be wrong on GB's alignment and could be tunneled from last game :O
ok if GB is town who are the mafia ?
I found shockeyy's behavior very weird EoD I did reconsider my scumread on him around EoD then stuff happened with him switching to BF when GB was his scumread and his explanation seemed weak at best. VA is always a good policy lynch since he does very little as both alignments from what I remember of him. If I wrong on one of my town reads it could be Mig he haven't really posted much although I did like of content earlier and how he voted BF at the end end seemed weird esp given his reaction to shockeyy's switch.
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Where do you town read mig?
On June 18 2015 06:16 LightningStrike wrote: I actually starting to like Mig a little bit his first posts he actually brought something original to the table regarding GB :O
Pretty much his stuff I liked when I saw them at first sight.
On June 20 2015 03:17 rsoultin wrote: Lol yeah he did
Already addressed your problem with my reads ksc but itsk got my own fort! And yeah no one will like my.fidei read but it's cool cuz i'm right anyway lol
On June 20 2015 03:26 GlowingBear wrote: Tell me who was the first who raised suspicions on mig On bugs On Breshke
And you're saying I'm rehashing opinions?
Please.
Nobody gave a word about the fact of LS being afraid of suffering night actions + that if he is Mafia he is never godfather and there never is a framer on the Mafia team.
Please.
I never ever going to flip scum and I don't even know if scum have a GF or Framer but both would be very anti dt esp if there is a Miller and knowing how HTS does her setups(And you should remember from Cohosting with me on her game) I doubt there would be a triple anti dt roles in the entire game with her if we even have a dt. So at best your argument is just WIFOM.
Town List: Bugs slot: Bugs was pressuring people a ton this entire game and had very genuine reactions and very similar play to how played in Witchcraft III and over town games that I had shared in the thread.
GB: Meta he doesn’t normally post a ton as scum, he actually voted to save himself, plus he makes bad cases too as town.
rsoultin: Not scum queen plus she been pressuring me and some people and trying to work with others but she doesn’t seem to give townreads for free as much as she does as scum according to Damdred. Plus she was very blunt about how I am Town this game and knows me much better outside of the game than any other player in the game. <3 Tina!
KSC: Despite him being a dick to me all game he been trying to push the thread the direction and trying to get stuff done which he doesn’t do as scum.
ritoky: Been mostly carefree this game although a bit dickish to me and he even admited and actually revisting my filter to see me outside of my claim.
Breshke: He been commenting everywhere and been talking to me more after my claim and unclaim stuff and trying to get a deeper understanding of me.
Nydus: I like his early stuff we kinda mindmeld for a few points but I don’t like his attitude towards the Night Phase.
Damdred: I had seen Damdred be not so motivated as town before and made the mistake of lynching him for not being motivated. His content seems okay but he should post more and get motivated!
Null List: Yamato77: Not much in filter and didn’t vote either just need more content from him.
VA:Known to be extremely lazy as both alignment would be the perfect policy lynch.
Onegu: Would rather policy me than anything and his filter been meh could be scum for how bad his filter but knowing him it just might be icky town.
Fidei86: Small filter and his content has been icky from looking his filter as I making this document. Would like him to post more. Scum List: Mig: Very small filter and if I wrong any town read it most likely him because some of his EoD stuff is extremely weird but I had liked his content early on when he first started posting.
HF: If I wrong on another town read of mine it would be him he is very capable of doing the stuff in his filter as scum but otherwise I do think he’s town but at the same time I been fooled by him in the past.
Shockeyy: I initially scumread him because some of his posts seemed forced and his list being meh and a very small filter too. I gave him a benefit of a doubt at EoD till he did a very weird swap form GB who he scumread to Boxerfred and his reasoning for it is pretty bad.
On June 20 2015 06:28 LightningStrike wrote: Town List: Bugs slot: Bugs was pressuring people a ton this entire game and had very genuine reactions and very similar play to how played in Witchcraft III and over town games that I had shared in the thread.
GB: Meta he doesn’t normally post a ton as scum, he actually voted to save himself, plus he makes bad cases too as town.
rsoultin: Not scum queen plus she been pressuring me and some people and trying to work with others but she doesn’t seem to give townreads for free as much as she does as scum according to Damdred. Plus she was very blunt about how I am Town this game and knows me much better outside of the game than any other player in the game. <3 Tina!
KSC: Despite him being a dick to me all game he been trying to push the thread the direction and trying to get stuff done which he doesn’t do as scum.
ritoky: Been mostly carefree this game although a bit dickish to me and he even admited and actually revisting my filter to see me outside of my claim.
Breshke: He been commenting everywhere and been talking to me more after my claim and unclaim stuff and trying to get a deeper understanding of me.
Nydus: I like his early stuff we kinda mindmeld for a few points but I don’t like his attitude towards the Night Phase.
Damdred: I had seen Damdred be not so motivated as town before and made the mistake of lynching him for not being motivated. His content seems okay but he should post more and get motivated!
Null List: Yamato77: Not much in filter and didn’t vote either just need more content from him.
VA:Known to be extremely lazy as both alignment would be the perfect policy lynch.
Onegu: Would rather policy me than anything and his filter been meh could be scum for how bad his filter but knowing him it just might be icky town.
Fidei86: Small filter and his content has been icky from looking his filter as I making this document. Would like him to post more. Scum List: Mig: Very small filter and if I wrong any town read it most likely him because some of his EoD stuff is extremely weird but I had liked his content early on when he first started posting.
HF: If I wrong on another town read of mine it would be him he is very capable of doing the stuff in his filter as scum but otherwise I do think he’s town but at the same time I been fooled by him in the past.
Shockeyy: I initially scumread him because some of his posts seemed forced and his list being meh and a very small filter too. I gave him a benefit of a doubt at EoD till he did a very weird swap form GB who he scumread to Boxerfred and his reasoning for it is pretty bad.
Hmm interesting that KSC got killed I wondering they trying to frame me since he thought I was scum or is it because he wouldn't be lynched. Hmmm I prob should ignore the WIFOM.
On June 20 2015 07:20 ritoky wrote: cool apparently working for 12 hours and sleeping for 8 dissuaded people from shooting me n1 again.
Hey check my reads list and tell me your thoughts on it please/.
i don't understand how you have your damdred read and it seems made up or for bad reasons to me.
you also have hf as scum. hf didn't die n1. make a case.
Prob just bad reasons I also have a soft spot for him. I also not known as a good case maker but if he doesn't die by N3 I will def make a case on him because by then he shouldn't even be alive by reputation.
On June 20 2015 07:28 ritoky wrote: am actually really surprised i didn't die last night. figured some1 would take my choppa 4 spamming as role softing even though it was just a joke.
It prob be the funniest role soft ever XD Prob the same way of how Slam bread crumbed Cop in Titanic vs you lol.
On June 20 2015 07:20 ritoky wrote: cool apparently working for 12 hours and sleeping for 8 dissuaded people from shooting me n1 again.
Hey check my reads list and tell me your thoughts on it please/.
i don't understand how you have your damdred read and it seems made up or for bad reasons to me.
you also have hf as scum. hf didn't die n1. make a case.
Prob just bad reasons I also have a soft spot for him. I also not known as a good case maker but if he doesn't die by N3 I will def make a case on him because by then he shouldn't even be alive by reputation.
why not just try and make one now? he is scum to you. prove he is scum so i can understand it and lynch scum.
Tbh I do think he's town but however if I wrong any townreads he's one of them he's a good scum player and prob make a case when it's more clear he's scum.
On June 20 2015 07:28 ritoky wrote: am actually really surprised i didn't die last night. figured some1 would take my choppa 4 spamming as role softing even though it was just a joke.
It prob be the funniest role soft ever XD Prob the same way of how Slam bread crumbed Cop in Titanic vs you lol.
naw, the best role soft was me as uther in hearthstone how i capitalized the first line of my first few posts to spell out Well Met
On June 20 2015 07:20 ritoky wrote: cool apparently working for 12 hours and sleeping for 8 dissuaded people from shooting me n1 again.
Hey check my reads list and tell me your thoughts on it please/.
i don't understand how you have your damdred read and it seems made up or for bad reasons to me.
you also have hf as scum. hf didn't die n1. make a case.
Prob just bad reasons I also have a soft spot for him. I also not known as a good case maker but if he doesn't die by N3 I will def make a case on him because by then he shouldn't even be alive by reputation.
why not just try and make one now? he is scum to you. prove he is scum so i can understand it and lynch scum.
Tbh I do think he's town but however if I wrong any townreads he's one of them he's a good scum player and prob make a case when it's more clear he's scum.
so why put him on the scum end of your reads instead of the null? that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Like I said in there he's capable of doing stuff in his filter as scum so ya I prob shoulda put him as null lol.
VA right about one thing: Scum is missing 1KP. If you looked in the OP Scum should of had 2KP Last night but the fact that one of them is missing could be very telling that someone got saved unless scum decided to WIFOM us to death by not going through with both KP but considering that it would take more days for scum to survive if they had just stuck with 1 KP it would be illogical for scum to not use their 2nd KP therefore I think someone has been saved by a Doctor. Doctor don't claim please.
ruXxar since you are here I think you should take a look at Onegu I want a outsider perspective from someone who never played with him before and tell me your thoughts on him please.
On June 21 2015 12:05 LightningStrike wrote: ruXxar since you are here I think you should take a look at Onegu I want a outsider perspective from someone who never played with him before and tell me your thoughts on him please.
This is so bad. Like obv people who never played with me will see me as anti town and you know it. So why ask someone who never played with me their thoughts?
He checked VA and everyone says the same thing about VA too so I thought he should might as well check you out too.
Honestly I wonder be here EoD most likely and will put my vote on Migs I think figuring out his alignment will be the key to figure out what was scum thinking if he flips scum right at EoD area. ##Vote: Mig
You know what I just had a better thought: I think the majority of us here think Shockeyy is scum I didn't like his EoD although for a little before EoD he startled looking better but his explanation for his switch to Boxerfred doesn't match up what he had just said to ritoky. I wont be here for the majority of the day since it's father's day I prob wont be here EoD since I going to Six Flags for Father's Day with my family. Idc if I got a null read on VA but I got a townread on GB on meta and would rather lynch Shockeyy over GB any day. ##Unvote ##Vote: ShoCkeyy
I just got back only to find Yamato got lynched as town o.o I surprised that Shockeyy didn't get lynched over him in all honesty. I thought everyone was scumreading Shockeyy over Yamato or at least have him as higher chance of flipping scum. Also GB read flip on Mig is now explained by his Cop claim since GB got a green check on Mig. At least I had a fun time at Six Flags but the rain was terrible and wish my body didn't wake up after 6 hours of sleep >.< @rsoultin: How high of a chance you think Onegu will flip scum because all he did was park his vote on me and then came back 4 mins after the lynch to complain about the lynch from what I read?
Slipping from the ledge, boxerfred has fallen into the abyss. Day 1 has ended.
With the main wagons being town I don't think scum felt threaten at all since there were only really two wagons and they were both town(GB and BF) so scum most likely laid back and relaxed End of Day 1.
Slipping from the ledge, Lohengramm fell into the abyss. Day 2 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
Same type of story here Day 2 with a single Town wagon on Yamato with no scum feeling threaten being lynched I think there is a at least 1 or 2 actives as scum and 1 or 2 lurkers being scum knowing the results of what we got so far(I colored in my slot because it's my Point of View).
On June 23 2015 04:57 LightningStrike wrote: BBcode failed hard in my color for all the town that's either been fliped or are certainly town by claims including myself.
Didnt you take back your claim? This post is really weird from town PoV
I obviously colored myself Green because that's my alignment.
On June 23 2015 04:57 LightningStrike wrote: BBcode failed hard in my color for all the town that's either been fliped or are certainly town by claims including myself.
Didnt you take back your claim? This post is really weird from town PoV
I obviously colored myself Green because that's my alignment.
But you said because of claims
I colored gb because of claims and I obviously colored myself green because I know my alignment. You fighting on the stupidest shit this game..........
On June 23 2015 07:13 VayneAuthority wrote: alright so anyone feel like which idiots openly thought breshke and ritoky were very town and then killed them? because they werent universal townreads.
Prob because they can't get lynched maybe. It's WIFOM though they might have different reasons as to why they killed Breshke and ritoky there. Also with GB alive it most likely means they got a roleblocker and thus most likely just going to roleblock him for the rest of the game
On June 23 2015 04:57 LightningStrike wrote: BBcode failed hard in my color for all the town that's either been fliped or are certainly town by claims including myself.
Didnt you take back your claim? This post is really weird from town PoV
I obviously colored myself Green because that's my alignment.
But you said because of claims
I colored gb because of claims and I obviously colored myself green because I know my alignment. You fighting on the stupidest shit this game..........
No you said "because of claims including myself" So you are claiming you are town because of your claim
Seriously you going to keep fighting this Gramar issue over anything else in the thread? What I meant to say was that all the colored were town by flips and or claims and myself since I know my own alignment.
I'm back and Onegu thought I lied about my friend being killed when I even talked to rsoultin and him on Teamspeak about it and why I didn't play pictionary with them for a little bit (Like 10 mins I think I was afk) before the game even started at Sunday night) -_- Also Shockeyy trying to case me is cute esp because of the WIFOM you tried to use on me being scum because they didn't scumread me when they got killed lol. Also rsoultin I finally caught your mason claim with Fidei in this post:
On June 23 2015 10:19 Onegu wrote: LS is scum with HF and HF is like damnit LS you better play this game and LS is all like OK. Or LS is scum with Rsoul and is all like need to impress her. (reasons why LS could be motivated to play harder as scum this game.)
BOOM HEADSHOT
onegu
lightningstrike's friend died. unless you think he lies about that, do you REALLY think that even if i were scum fake-claiming mason it would be enough to get him to break his meta this game? or that hf is that much of a douche to bully him into it if HE'S scum?
like...did you actually read what's going on with ls? you know him fairly well...do YOU think he'd make something like that up?
No havent read that part... Or the mason part[/QUOTE]
well you can check his filter to verify, but yeah. it's why i told you to stop being an ass...or whatever the verbage was that i used
and yes, i'm masons with fidei[/QUOTE] At least I was right on you but I also do find it odd that HF is still alive at this point given his reputation but he did survive late into GoT although he did more pushing there though I feel than here based on memory alone. @Shockeyy: Rsoultin had played many games with me she only got my alignment wrong twice and it was both times I was scum (Jack of all Trades and Guardians) but the context of her misreading me there was simple: I haven't played scum since my 2nd game on TL ever before those two games lol but she is right on me just trust her and Damdred since Damdred can read me really good (He caught me in Jack of all Trades easily yet people gave him flack for calling me scum when he was right lol and he caught me in Guardians too based on me being lazy about my meta stuff). @rsoultin: If I put a gun next to your head and forced you to say who your scum team right now who would it be and why?
On June 23 2015 11:47 LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and Onegu thought I lied about my friend being killed when I even talked to rsoultin and him on Teamspeak about it and why I didn't play pictionary with them for a little bit (Like 10 mins I think I was afk) before the game even started at Sunday night) -_- Also Shockeyy trying to case me is cute esp because of the WIFOM you tried to use on me being scum because they didn't scumread me when they got killed lol. Also rsoultin I finally caught your mason claim with Fidei in this post:
On June 23 2015 10:26 rsoultin wrote:
On June 23 2015 10:19 Onegu wrote: LS is scum with HF and HF is like damnit LS you better play this game and LS is all like OK. Or LS is scum with Rsoul and is all like need to impress her. (reasons why LS could be motivated to play harder as scum this game.)
BOOM HEADSHOT
onegu
lightningstrike's friend died. unless you think he lies about that, do you REALLY think that even if i were scum fake-claiming mason it would be enough to get him to break his meta this game? or that hf is that much of a douche to bully him into it if HE'S scum?
like...did you actually read what's going on with ls? you know him fairly well...do YOU think he'd make something like that up?
No havent read that part... Or the mason part
well you can check his filter to verify, but yeah. it's why i told you to stop being an ass...or whatever the verbage was that i used
and yes, i'm masons with fidei
At least I was right on you but I also do find it odd that HF is still alive at this point given his reputation but he did survive late into GoT although he did more pushing there though I feel than here based on memory alone. @Shockeyy: Rsoultin had played many games with me she only got my alignment wrong twice and it was both times I was scum (Jack of all Trades and Guardians) but the context of her misreading me there was simple: I haven't played scum since my 2nd game on TL ever before those two games lol but she is right on me just trust her and Damdred since Damdred can read me really good (He caught me in Jack of all Trades easily yet people gave him flack for calling me scum when he was right lol and he caught me in Guardians too based on me being lazy about my meta stuff). @rsoultin: If I put a gun next to your head and forced you to say who your scum team right now who would it be and why? [/QUOTE]
First I never said I thought you were lying, Second I am not always around during teamspeak and I truly dont remember you saying that. That being said it is completely NAI. Like Im not sure how that makes you town... [/QUOTE] It sounded like it you thought I was lying lol. Also I truely did say it but rsoultin didn't say anything about it during the game. Also just trust rsoultin and Damdred they normally can read me really well and they both got me as town so trust them there I just said how Damdred caught me twice in Jack of All Trades and Guardians when I was scum vs him in those two games and he got me as town this game and rsoultin the only time she was wrong my alignment was mainly because I hadn't rolled scum since my 2nd game on TL so ofc she would get me wrong when using meta because it was so long from there to those games :O
Also rsoultin I want to talk to you about rux because he just finished a game when he was town and you coached him there what is your read on him based on that? I still think that slot is town but he just a new player though from what I can tell from some of early stuff and him admitting it too lol.
On June 23 2015 12:03 ShoCkeyy wrote: My second scum read will come tomorrow, let's see if they even post at all. I'm going to go to bed, i've been up all day and haven't stopped working till now.
On June 23 2015 12:04 LightningStrike wrote: Also rsoultin I want to talk to you about rux because he just finished a game when he was town and you coached him there what is your read on him based on that? I still think that slot is town but he just a new player though from what I can tell from some of early stuff and him admitting it too lol.
pls read
Your read on him doesn't seem clear today but I guessing town because of how the game finished?
On June 23 2015 10:44 rsoultin wrote: ruxxar i just saw something in the game you just finished that really makes me think you're scum here ^^; and it almost makes me want to apologize to you if you really are scum cause normally i would never have seen it if i hadn't been coaching you and the othersm, so was half-following the post-game
Shit I didn't even seen that posted when I did a quick scan of your filter about him. Can you bring up what makes him scum this game compared to this game?
On June 23 2015 10:44 rsoultin wrote: ruxxar i just saw something in the game you just finished that really makes me think you're scum here ^^; and it almost makes me want to apologize to you if you really are scum cause normally i would never have seen it if i hadn't been coaching you and the othersm, so was half-following the post-game
Shit I didn't even seen that posted when I did a quick scan of your filter about him. Can you bring up what makes him scum this game compared to that game?
On June 23 2015 13:04 LightningStrike wrote: Well rsoultin claimed Mason with Fidei so that must mean there is a Framer on the loose O_o
How do you jump to this??? Do you know there is a framer?
Honestly why the hell would scum claim Mason esp she was softing it the entire game and Damdred noticed it? With the red check on her there is most likely a Framer in this setup as far we know esp because her softing her being mason with Fidei. If she flips scum I will Bow Down to GB and we lynch Mig and Fidei but she flips Mason it confirms Fidei as 100% Town.
On June 23 2015 13:11 Onegu wrote: So like I really think LS is scum. Scum knew if a cop is in the game they would check him because his claim and unclaim. So scum used a frame on him. He posts he knows there is a framer
Lol I made that post before GB said it was a joke and thought there was a framer on the loose because of him joking about red checking her and I gave my reasons about it though.
On June 23 2015 13:13 LightningStrike wrote: Also if I was scum I would of killed GB for his claim alone simple as that honestly lol.
What are you talking about?
Idk why Mafia would keep you alive after you claimed but I guess because of the fake green check on Mig would be a good reason to keep you around but it still a bad reason to keep you around lol. <3 you GB I going to sheep you forever!
On June 23 2015 13:26 Onegu wrote: Because LS has TMI. Like it has to be TMI. He says framer has to be in the game...
If you look it from my perspective rsoultin been softing Mason for the majroity of the game and even admited so when GB claimed red check on her I assumed there was a Framer due to the fact that why would scum soft Mason with someone for the entire game?
On June 23 2015 13:26 Onegu wrote: Because LS has TMI. Like it has to be TMI. He says framer has to be in the game...
if he believes my claim and believes gb's claim that's kind of the natural conclusion, though?
YOU instantly "believed" i was scum, but you know you like an excuse to lynch me anyway
it's not necessarily tmi and it's not really that relevant anyway unless mig is actually mafia, right?
TY Rsoultin you just pretty summed why I thought the way I did: I believed your claim because of the softing although I didn't check it early on but Damdred.
On June 23 2015 13:26 Onegu wrote: Because LS has TMI. Like it has to be TMI. He says framer has to be in the game...
If you look it from my perspective rsoultin been softing Mason for the majroity of the game and even admited so when GB claimed red check on her I assumed there was a Framer due to the fact that why would scum soft Mason with someone for the entire game?
Why did you assume there was a framer that decided to frame A TOWNIE that wasn't probably never going to be copchecked (as she wasn't)?
Why didn't you simply assume she was fake claiming?
I had talked to her lots and lots of times outside of the game and she not a fan of fake claiming herself so ofc I believed her claim. Also about that assuming a framer: It would make sense esp because of the way you said you red checked her after she hard claimed Mason it made me assume there is a Framer and she coulda been a target because some people was questioning her a little bit so framing her woulda made some sense but not to much though. I just laying out my thoughts on the whole thing.
Nydus in case you haven't caught up she claimed Mason with Fidei before the GB stuff so she's town lol. Also she is hard to lynch as either alignment outside of her claim simply because of her nature I guess lol.
Onegu can't you trust Tina's read on me plus Damdreds read on me and a green check like if you knew me more personally and had looked at how I handle claims I normally believe though although sometimes it might bite me in the ass like Ippo where HF claimed PGO as scum. So ofc if I believe the claims ofc there would be a Framer framing Rsoultin but that's not the case as GB didn't check her in the first place lol?
On June 23 2015 15:19 Onegu wrote: Am I the only one seeing LS TMI
Why are you even discussing this? It's seems like you're trying awfully hard to deflect from what GB is saying. Let's focus on which mafia to lynch today.
Because TMI is TMI, green check is irrelevant if LS knows there is a framer in game...
Oh. I thought Rs said there was a framer first. I can see that now. Is it possible for there to both be a framer and god father? Sounds kind of imbalanced to me especially with just a cop and medic.
Well consider this: If there is a Cop there is more likely going to be some antiCop roles in the game either in a form of GF or and Framer sometimes both depending on how large the game is and I think if if HF flips Miller(Although doubt it) then scum most likely not got a GF since it would be way to much Cop hate in a smallish game. But without Miller this would be balanced since Masons are somewhat powerful because they are confirmed town to each other we know scum wre missing 1KP Night 1 so we got a Doctor or a Jailkeeper but both of those roles could protect townies from being killed from scum or could be a banisher although they are very rare but they take away a person and no Night actions can happen to the person got banished so just trust me I had to learn how to balance from Cohosting a couple of games.
So do we lynch GB because of Mig's claim or what's the deal here?(Been mainly playing LoL since I thought this was just a wasted day since we had a red check but now there isn't even a red check things just got spicy)
On June 25 2015 06:43 LightningStrike wrote: So Mig claimed Tracker and claimed that GB lied about going to HF? This is interesting.
why didn't you question gb cop checking you when he town read you all of n1?
Because I did some shitty things and would of been a check target for DT and Framer since I did claim and unclaim stuff so ofc I didn't question it.
yes but he TOWN READ YOU for all of your unclaiming??????
He was townreading me before I did claiming shit if I recall correctly although I did a similar type of thing in XXX when I thought rsoultin was town but others said she was scum so I roleblocked her as the town roleblocker and she ended up getting NK'd .
We lynching GB VA breadcrumb does make some sense for a Jailkeeper plus the Mig claim although it was perfect for him to not claim at all until now the reveal his findings.
On June 25 2015 06:49 Mig wrote: And if anyone is wondering why I tracked vayne, he is really hard to read. I always use dt abilities on guys I struggle to get info from their posts
Fair enough he is kinda hard for people to read regardless of his alignment lol.
On June 25 2015 06:57 rsoultin wrote: like 100% he should have claimed tracker then saying GB DID NOT VISIT ANYONE but he just questions why gb is still alive/got a check?
this is bullshit hf
complete bullshit
mig is scum. his claim is fake
IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE
Girl he tracked VA to bugs and VA confirmed that and revealed himself as the Jailkeeper and went to bugs which would explain why VA went to Bugs Night1.
On June 25 2015 06:57 rsoultin wrote: like 100% he should have claimed tracker then saying GB DID NOT VISIT ANYONE but he just questions why gb is still alive/got a check?
this is bullshit hf
complete bullshit
mig is scum. his claim is fake
IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE
HOW DOES IT NOT MAKE SENSE LOL GB IS MAFIA AND IT MAKES ME FREE
SUCK IT UP WOMAN
if gb is actually cop here and you're town you start shadowing me xP
Okay so the red check is real on HF, Mig could be scum for his now fakeclaim most likely, VA is Jailkeeper which he did breadcrumb I just didn't notice it.
On June 25 2015 07:08 LightningStrike wrote: Okay so the red check is real on HF, Mig could be scum for his now fakeclaim most likely, VA is Jailkeeper which he did breadcrumb I just didn't notice it.
Scum can breadcrumb also
I dont' think VA would breadcrumb Jailekeeper so hard like he did.
On June 25 2015 06:57 rsoultin wrote: like 100% he should have claimed tracker then saying GB DID NOT VISIT ANYONE but he just questions why gb is still alive/got a check?
this is bullshit hf
complete bullshit
mig is scum. his claim is fake
IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE
HOW DOES IT NOT MAKE SENSE LOL GB IS MAFIA AND IT MAKES ME FREE
SUCK IT UP WOMAN
if gb is actually cop here and you're town you start shadowing me xP
He will never shadow you lol.
You should shadow me and learn how to not claim roles day 1
I wont ever shadow you I in fact get townread more than you.....
On June 25 2015 07:08 LightningStrike wrote: Okay so the red check is real on HF, Mig could be scum for his now fakeclaim most likely, VA is Jailkeeper which he did breadcrumb I just didn't notice it.
Well I will be gone for a few hours and will check and see what going because right now I still kinda confused like I think lynching Mig is the right move now.
I'm back and Mig actually fake claimed Tracker to get GB lynched -_- Well I think the best play is still lynch Mig but we have to ask ourselves this: Is HF scum or Town even though he got red checked? The reason for this question is because there is unaware Millers in the OP and there is a chance HF is the Unaware Miller so I want everyone's input on that.
Guys I think I got a Tinfoil Hat Theory that can easily happen revolving me and HF: I might be the Unaware Miller who got Framed and HF is 100% Scum. Explanation: Because the majority of the people in the game thought I was scum Night 1 Scum if they have a Framer(Which I am assuming in this scenario for my theory) they would Frame me and hope a Cop(GB) will check and will return me as a red check. But instead GB ended up with a Green Check on me so if Mafia did Frame me then I would be a Miller and HF is 100% scum since I doubt they would put 2 Millers and a Framer plus maybe a GF in the same setup and I don't think scum would Frame HF at all since they are worse looking townies in this game that mafia could easily Frame so HF since he returned as a red check will be 100% scum because of that.
the problem with the ruxx thing is while i have no fucking clue why RUXX would be the nk with ksc...i'm not sure why a mafia mig would mention bugs to try to draw out a medic claim if that slot is scum...
like the only way they could know that it was a stopped shot vs. a save is if the ruxx slot was some sort of mafia role that could be interfered with. the only ones i'm seeing there are:
rolecop, mafia vig (which almost seems like too much mafia kp with no apparent town kp), and framer
of those, rolecop makes the most sense i think, but that's neither here nor there
so now i'm kinda at that...is it more likely that ruxx is a mafia pr whose secondary action was stopped and mafia is hoping we assume that this gets him "cleared" so are willing to risk him too? (not completely out there given jk SHOULD be the last blue, and i don't believe bullets are refunded anyway)
or more likely that mafia just decides to shoot ruxxar over..a town hf, or myself, or ritoky softing, etc. etc. n1
...i dunnae i really find a ruxxar nk highly unbelievable, frankly
you realise that ruxxar was bugs right??????????????????
also you keep assuming i'm mafia which doesn't make any sense since i'm still just not mafia
also if I wanted to at the time I could have just switched to mig when GB asked if i wanted to quite easily and gotten him lynched/collected credit/saved myself the trouble and why on earth would i not just do that and instead try harder to get myself lynched if mig's plan all along was to claim tracker and get gb lynched?
seems like the worst plan in the history of ever to me
I am town I see a red check on me and I see an indirect red check on someone else
Will I doubt the Claimer or will I convince the claimer I'm not scum?
HOW FUCKING DUMB IS THIS LOLOOLOLOLOLOL
"I see a red check when i'm not red and have scum read the player all game"
"let's try and convince the person i'm not scum"
i'm convincing everyone else that you ARE mafia after my flip
because I WANT TO DIE SO THAT I CAN ENSURE THE FAKE COP DIES
LOL
spread more shit you fucker
lie about onegu lie about mig's "towny plays" when i'm attacking mig as mafia lie about cop checks lie about scum reads lie lie lie lie lie that's all you've done all game
From everything i've seen of your play. You basically hard defended mig all day and I don't know what alignment that makes him. Mig is very very very coin flippy at the moment. I would never lynch him over myself because the moment I die you are 100% fucked. FUCKED
F-U-C-K-E-D
also from the way things went down gb was ab solutely a viable mislynch still at the end of n1 and the people going hardest against him were me and bugs, a bugs kill also perpetuates that situation
No shit ruxx was bugs. Glad you're reading my whole post and actually care what I say and making arguments for it ^^
I cut out all the irrelevant wifom where you assume all the mafia are tied together through one play like some kind of shitty idiot team and instead picked the really likely obvious option. You know since mafia mig changed last second to save gb to clearly spread irrelevant suspicion it's no far reach to assume the nk's were for the same reason.
hey if the shoe fits
no
i'm making very reasonable assumptions: 1. mig is mafia (cause he probably is and if he isn't the game's over after we lynch him, anyway, so unless someone has a good argument for why he's TOWN shut the fuck up) 2. mig did not expose himself needlessly to lynch one town over another, especially when having a TOWN holyflare out of the game by lynch has to be acceptable for pretty much any scumteam (because i don't think he's a complete fuck-up) 3. your reactions to both the original detective claim that went from LIAR!! to gb/mig practically confirmed town in an eye-blink, and then the tracker claim WHY WAIT SO LATE?! no, gb is scum scum scum anyway don't care how unrealistic this claim is 4. if you're dead-set on lynching gb, brilliant one, how is mig in danger again? that bullshit claim of his put him in more danger than just staying quiet and letting you be lynched. stop feeding me bullshit reasoning; i'm not a retard
so yes, you're tied in by association and shit, unrealistic reactions to claims. if i'm wrong and mig is town it doesn't fucking matter. and frankly, you have plenty of time to convince the other more gullible townies who actually will be here the day you're being considered for lynch, so stop wasting your time on me
the ruxxar reasoning has nothing to do with you. it is predicated on somehow mig KNEW who the jk saved AND the fact that it WAS the jk
you know what that means? that means that ASSUMING mig is scum which again all of this is irrelevant if he's not, mig knew specifically whether the JK saved the night kill or jailed the shot deliverer. how can he know that UNLESS the scum delivering the kp was some sort of scum power role, whose action either did or didn't go through?
no fucking way ruxxar is the nk with KELSIER who was obviously townie over you mr. town hero if you're really town, ritoky who was softing, or me. bugs was already out of the game and dead wrong and gonna push the shit out of gb besides
if scum is playing wifom games and not getting rid of good town players they don't kill kels
now, why don't you try to pretend you're town for a bit and actually consider what i'm saying about ruxx instead of just throwing shit at me every chance you get ^^
Ugh did you realized that Bugs wasn't replaced when these actions happened? Bugs did look townie though in my eyes but he could of been pocketing me when he was around.
the problem with the ruxx thing is while i have no fucking clue why RUXX would be the nk with ksc...i'm not sure why a mafia mig would mention bugs to try to draw out a medic claim if that slot is scum...
like the only way they could know that it was a stopped shot vs. a save is if the ruxx slot was some sort of mafia role that could be interfered with. the only ones i'm seeing there are:
rolecop, mafia vig (which almost seems like too much mafia kp with no apparent town kp), and framer
of those, rolecop makes the most sense i think, but that's neither here nor there
so now i'm kinda at that...is it more likely that ruxx is a mafia pr whose secondary action was stopped and mafia is hoping we assume that this gets him "cleared" so are willing to risk him too? (not completely out there given jk SHOULD be the last blue, and i don't believe bullets are refunded anyway)
or more likely that mafia just decides to shoot ruxxar over..a town hf, or myself, or ritoky softing, etc. etc. n1
...i dunnae i really find a ruxxar nk highly unbelievable, frankly
you realise that ruxxar was bugs right??????????????????
also you keep assuming i'm mafia which doesn't make any sense since i'm still just not mafia
also if I wanted to at the time I could have just switched to mig when GB asked if i wanted to quite easily and gotten him lynched/collected credit/saved myself the trouble and why on earth would i not just do that and instead try harder to get myself lynched if mig's plan all along was to claim tracker and get gb lynched?
seems like the worst plan in the history of ever to me
I am town I see a red check on me and I see an indirect red check on someone else
Will I doubt the Claimer or will I convince the claimer I'm not scum?
HOW FUCKING DUMB IS THIS LOLOOLOLOLOLOL
"I see a red check when i'm not red and have scum read the player all game"
"let's try and convince the person i'm not scum"
i'm convincing everyone else that you ARE mafia after my flip
because I WANT TO DIE SO THAT I CAN ENSURE THE FAKE COP DIES
LOL
spread more shit you fucker
lie about onegu lie about mig's "towny plays" when i'm attacking mig as mafia lie about cop checks lie about scum reads lie lie lie lie lie that's all you've done all game
From everything i've seen of your play. You basically hard defended mig all day and I don't know what alignment that makes him. Mig is very very very coin flippy at the moment. I would never lynch him over myself because the moment I die you are 100% fucked. FUCKED
F-U-C-K-E-D
also from the way things went down gb was ab solutely a viable mislynch still at the end of n1 and the people going hardest against him were me and bugs, a bugs kill also perpetuates that situation
No shit ruxx was bugs. Glad you're reading my whole post and actually care what I say and making arguments for it ^^
I cut out all the irrelevant wifom where you assume all the mafia are tied together through one play like some kind of shitty idiot team and instead picked the really likely obvious option. You know since mafia mig changed last second to save gb to clearly spread irrelevant suspicion it's no far reach to assume the nk's were for the same reason.
hey if the shoe fits
no
i'm making very reasonable assumptions: 1. mig is mafia (cause he probably is and if he isn't the game's over after we lynch him, anyway, so unless someone has a good argument for why he's TOWN shut the fuck up) 2. mig did not expose himself needlessly to lynch one town over another, especially when having a TOWN holyflare out of the game by lynch has to be acceptable for pretty much any scumteam (because i don't think he's a complete fuck-up) 3. your reactions to both the original detective claim that went from LIAR!! to gb/mig practically confirmed town in an eye-blink, and then the tracker claim WHY WAIT SO LATE?! no, gb is scum scum scum anyway don't care how unrealistic this claim is 4. if you're dead-set on lynching gb, brilliant one, how is mig in danger again? that bullshit claim of his put him in more danger than just staying quiet and letting you be lynched. stop feeding me bullshit reasoning; i'm not a retard
so yes, you're tied in by association and shit, unrealistic reactions to claims. if i'm wrong and mig is town it doesn't fucking matter. and frankly, you have plenty of time to convince the other more gullible townies who actually will be here the day you're being considered for lynch, so stop wasting your time on me
the ruxxar reasoning has nothing to do with you. it is predicated on somehow mig KNEW who the jk saved AND the fact that it WAS the jk
you know what that means? that means that ASSUMING mig is scum which again all of this is irrelevant if he's not, mig knew specifically whether the JK saved the night kill or jailed the shot deliverer. how can he know that UNLESS the scum delivering the kp was some sort of scum power role, whose action either did or didn't go through?
no fucking way ruxxar is the nk with KELSIER who was obviously townie over you mr. town hero if you're really town, ritoky who was softing, or me. bugs was already out of the game and dead wrong and gonna push the shit out of gb besides
if scum is playing wifom games and not getting rid of good town players they don't kill kels
now, why don't you try to pretend you're town for a bit and actually consider what i'm saying about ruxx instead of just throwing shit at me every chance you get ^^
Ugh did you realized that Bugs wasn't replaced when these actions happened? Bugs did look townie though in my eyes but he could of been pocketing me when he was around.
NVM I was blind I thought he got replaced at EoN lol.
On June 26 2015 01:28 LightningStrike wrote: Guys I think I got a Tinfoil Hat Theory that can easily happen revolving me and HF: I might be the Unaware Miller who got Framed and HF is 100% Scum. Explanation: Because the majority of the people in the game thought I was scum Night 1 Scum if they have a Framer(Which I am assuming in this scenario for my theory) they would Frame me and hope a Cop(GB) will check and will return me as a red check. But instead GB ended up with a Green Check on me so if Mafia did Frame me then I would be a Miller and HF is 100% scum since I doubt they would put 2 Millers and a Framer plus maybe a GF in the same setup and I don't think scum would Frame HF at all since they are worse looking townies in this game that mafia could easily Frame so HF since he returned as a red check will be 100% scum because of that.
pure speculation? there's like no way you can prove this ls lol >< why even say it?
We needed some tinfoil since the king of them is not around plus I know it's pure speculation but it would make a ton of sense since I was scumread by the majority of the players Night 1 so if Scum had a Framer they could of Framed me and GB gets a green check on me so it woulda confirmed me as a Miller but again it's setup speculation we wont know until the game ends lol.
the problem with the ruxx thing is while i have no fucking clue why RUXX would be the nk with ksc...i'm not sure why a mafia mig would mention bugs to try to draw out a medic claim if that slot is scum...
like the only way they could know that it was a stopped shot vs. a save is if the ruxx slot was some sort of mafia role that could be interfered with. the only ones i'm seeing there are:
rolecop, mafia vig (which almost seems like too much mafia kp with no apparent town kp), and framer
of those, rolecop makes the most sense i think, but that's neither here nor there
so now i'm kinda at that...is it more likely that ruxx is a mafia pr whose secondary action was stopped and mafia is hoping we assume that this gets him "cleared" so are willing to risk him too? (not completely out there given jk SHOULD be the last blue, and i don't believe bullets are refunded anyway)
or more likely that mafia just decides to shoot ruxxar over..a town hf, or myself, or ritoky softing, etc. etc. n1
...i dunnae i really find a ruxxar nk highly unbelievable, frankly
you realise that ruxxar was bugs right??????????????????
also you keep assuming i'm mafia which doesn't make any sense since i'm still just not mafia
also if I wanted to at the time I could have just switched to mig when GB asked if i wanted to quite easily and gotten him lynched/collected credit/saved myself the trouble and why on earth would i not just do that and instead try harder to get myself lynched if mig's plan all along was to claim tracker and get gb lynched?
seems like the worst plan in the history of ever to me
I am town I see a red check on me and I see an indirect red check on someone else
Will I doubt the Claimer or will I convince the claimer I'm not scum?
HOW FUCKING DUMB IS THIS LOLOOLOLOLOLOL
"I see a red check when i'm not red and have scum read the player all game"
"let's try and convince the person i'm not scum"
i'm convincing everyone else that you ARE mafia after my flip
because I WANT TO DIE SO THAT I CAN ENSURE THE FAKE COP DIES
LOL
spread more shit you fucker
lie about onegu lie about mig's "towny plays" when i'm attacking mig as mafia lie about cop checks lie about scum reads lie lie lie lie lie that's all you've done all game
From everything i've seen of your play. You basically hard defended mig all day and I don't know what alignment that makes him. Mig is very very very coin flippy at the moment. I would never lynch him over myself because the moment I die you are 100% fucked. FUCKED
F-U-C-K-E-D
also from the way things went down gb was ab solutely a viable mislynch still at the end of n1 and the people going hardest against him were me and bugs, a bugs kill also perpetuates that situation
No shit ruxx was bugs. Glad you're reading my whole post and actually care what I say and making arguments for it ^^
I cut out all the irrelevant wifom where you assume all the mafia are tied together through one play like some kind of shitty idiot team and instead picked the really likely obvious option. You know since mafia mig changed last second to save gb to clearly spread irrelevant suspicion it's no far reach to assume the nk's were for the same reason.
hey if the shoe fits
no
i'm making very reasonable assumptions: 1. mig is mafia (cause he probably is and if he isn't the game's over after we lynch him, anyway, so unless someone has a good argument for why he's TOWN shut the fuck up) 2. mig did not expose himself needlessly to lynch one town over another, especially when having a TOWN holyflare out of the game by lynch has to be acceptable for pretty much any scumteam (because i don't think he's a complete fuck-up) 3. your reactions to both the original detective claim that went from LIAR!! to gb/mig practically confirmed town in an eye-blink, and then the tracker claim WHY WAIT SO LATE?! no, gb is scum scum scum anyway don't care how unrealistic this claim is 4. if you're dead-set on lynching gb, brilliant one, how is mig in danger again? that bullshit claim of his put him in more danger than just staying quiet and letting you be lynched. stop feeding me bullshit reasoning; i'm not a retard
so yes, you're tied in by association and shit, unrealistic reactions to claims. if i'm wrong and mig is town it doesn't fucking matter. and frankly, you have plenty of time to convince the other more gullible townies who actually will be here the day you're being considered for lynch, so stop wasting your time on me
the ruxxar reasoning has nothing to do with you. it is predicated on somehow mig KNEW who the jk saved AND the fact that it WAS the jk
you know what that means? that means that ASSUMING mig is scum which again all of this is irrelevant if he's not, mig knew specifically whether the JK saved the night kill or jailed the shot deliverer. how can he know that UNLESS the scum delivering the kp was some sort of scum power role, whose action either did or didn't go through?
no fucking way ruxxar is the nk with KELSIER who was obviously townie over you mr. town hero if you're really town, ritoky who was softing, or me. bugs was already out of the game and dead wrong and gonna push the shit out of gb besides
if scum is playing wifom games and not getting rid of good town players they don't kill kels
now, why don't you try to pretend you're town for a bit and actually consider what i'm saying about ruxx instead of just throwing shit at me every chance you get ^^
Ugh did you realized that Bugs wasn't replaced when these actions happened? Bugs did look townie though in my eyes but he could of been pocketing me when he was around.
recheck the thread
i'll help you cause i'm not the sort of idiot who says these things without looking at it first
approximately page 130 was the beginning of day 2
approximately page 127...FOUR HOURS EARLIER...was when ruxxar replaced bugs
I thought it was at EoN when bugs got replaced lol.
Also this NK seemed to be aiming to get rid of your mason partner because of her being confirmed town with you Fidei but it's WIFOM though I guess. At least with her being dead you're confirm town too Fidei since she said you were masoned with her :O
On June 26 2015 07:19 VayneAuthority wrote: jailed nydushermain tried to go for some one that isnt being suspected since i felt thats who would make the KP. doesnt really clear him or mean anything
I here Rux if you want to talk (I been mostly away because I thought we had a set lynch plan lol) if Shockeyy had at least read the thread he shouldn't even be voting VA like there is no way if he had read the thread and think VA is scum because VA claimed Jailkeeper and is not been counterclaimed so far. Also I just checked Shockeyy's games since he didn't play much he had posted more in this game than of all his previous games(That includes Withccraft III) so it might be alignment indicative. I will take a deeper look into the eys of both Town Shockeyy and and Scum Shockeyy to figure exactly what's the difference in his game play as both alignments.
Well looking at the database and witchcraft I still can't really figure out what makes Shockeyy ever scum compared to town -_- Can someone with better eyes check the database for all of his games plus Witchcraft III which he was Town?
Damdred don't quit the game if you are town we need you now that we are at LYLO I not going to push your lynch as I had learned my lesson on lynching you for being lackluster as town
On June 28 2015 00:28 VayneAuthority wrote: I just don't see a scumteam where you aren't scum, there isn't enough people left alive where you wouldn't be known as a player.
AT BEST lets assume
Mig (mostly afk doesnt talk in QT much maybe), shockeyy, nydushermain....and thats where it ends. Damdred was not afk the day the breshke/ritoky kills were made, not sure if onegu was i'd have to go check.
But really I just dont see any feasible scumteam that keeps holyflare alive if im not on it.
Yeh but i'm a known medic protect and all the kills look like hardcore pussy medic dodges.
I had killed you when I was scum Night 1 lol.......(Guardians)
On June 28 2015 00:28 VayneAuthority wrote: I just don't see a scumteam where you aren't scum, there isn't enough people left alive where you wouldn't be known as a player.
AT BEST lets assume
Mig (mostly afk doesnt talk in QT much maybe), shockeyy, nydushermain....and thats where it ends. Damdred was not afk the day the breshke/ritoky kills were made, not sure if onegu was i'd have to go check.
But really I just dont see any feasible scumteam that keeps holyflare alive if im not on it.
Yeh but i'm a known medic protect and all the kills look like hardcore pussy medic dodges.
I had killed you when I was scum Night 1 lol.......(Guardians)
Well I'm not calling you scum and that would fail normally if rsoultin wasn't playing silly medic.
On June 28 2015 00:49 Holyflare wrote: LS do you have any game solving reads?
Now that I think about it I normally can find scum when I get put into a corner and I thought Shockeyy was scumso maybe him but as I said he had posted more this game than any other game he ever played so(Shrugs) I still think Damdred just unmotvated town I had seen this first hand and lynched him for it(Student 8). VA and Fid are blues so they are town. Nydus I had liked him early but he had fallen off a lot :| If Onegu is Town he pretty much been meh all he did was try to policy lynch me this game even I not blue.... You HF by content I think you are town but you got red checked and if scum had a framer they had used it on me and made me a green check thus I would be the Miller if my Tin Foil Hat theory is correct you would be scum so(Shrug) kinda torn on you( I would laugh so hard in post game if my tin foil is right lol).
On June 28 2015 01:19 Onegu wrote: So I am now thinking HF may actually be town and High chance that LS is scum here.
That post where he says HF has to be scum is just so random. The one where he says he was framed because he is miller which means HF has to be scum. Like how does town think of that. That is just one more post that is TMI. TBF HF wasnt killed in GoT mafia until the night before 2v1 lylo. Yes he should be dead but its not impossible for him to be alive as town here.
So I am going to go with Mig, LS, RuXxar, and X.
So the green check on Ls is not valid because?..
He just trying to policy me because of my blue claim apparently he told me he would try to lynch me if I claimed blue Day 1 and I don't even remember him saying it beforehand.
Guys I most likely not be around at EoD but if we lose when we lynch Mig I sorry But if flips scum I will help you guys as much I can. Lynch Mig guys for now but if you have to do shannies don't lynch VA or Fid that's all I will ask for.
On June 28 2015 07:07 VayneAuthority wrote: alright so im most suspicious of damdred and onegu
red check on holyflare so up to you guys to decide on that. I assume hes mafia just by virtue of being alive.
Look for inconsistencies in people's reads from earlier in the game and press them for why they changed their reads, see what kind of BS people come with and that should lead you to the mafia.
Assume im dead tonight, gl
VA, who are the strongest players still alive? It could give a clue to who the mafia are since they're still alive.
HF by reputation he manged to hard carry town in GoT at LYLO and lynched 2 scum before being killed.
On June 28 2015 07:35 NydusHerMain wrote: I'm not going to lie, I'm town reading HF lightly but since we're in triple LyLo and he's red checked, I feel like he's coin to get lynched anyways. Should we just do it now?
It's the correct play since we got a confirmed cop flipped who red checked him.
On June 28 2015 11:39 Damdred wrote: RS has decent reads and tries to figure the game out.
oneg why did you vote for GB in the situation?
LS why did you vote for GB yesterday? Especially when rmconfirmed town RS pushed against it?
I voted GB because of the Tracker claim by Mig and now I feel extremely guilty that I been fooled hard by the claim by Mig and in fact that he flipped scum made me feel worse about my vote on GB the Day Phase before.
On June 29 2015 03:44 Damdred wrote: i'm here you guys give m some reads and thoughts?
Like LS why would you believe mig over GB int hat situation?
Honestly idk I must of thought it was a legit CC by claiming Tracker which would make the setup very imbalanced with a Tracker, Cop, Masons, and a Jail Keeper and Mig claimed and was actually able to know VA's actions I must of been blind because he said he followed someoen it shoulda been a red flag for me. I was just a idiot at the time and deserve some sort of punishment for being bad.
On June 29 2015 04:12 Damdred wrote: But tina was saying a decent bit about how mig would of claimed the previous day if he was really the tracker, so why didn't you listen to confirmed town tina in that scenario?
I mean that's not like you in that situation ls -_-.
Other than that where else is your head at ls
Because I was a idiot obviously T_T But seriously though if I was a tracker or Cop and someone claimed Cop I woulda just wait longer to counterclaim so I could get a check on someone and see the results of that check. What else in my head: Guilt about lynching GB, frustration with my early game play... Shockeyy's shitty ass cases on me are so bad that I would barf.
On June 18 2015 03:54 KelsierSC wrote: I'm going to leave this for now but I think i've made it quite clear that LS is scum and you should be voting for him if you're town.
On June 18 2015 03:54 KelsierSC wrote: I'm going to leave this for now but I think i've made it quite clear that LS is scum and you should be voting for him if you're town.
I not scum I blue :O
Why the fuck would he change his own quote?
When I type I sometimes don't type the stuff what I meant to say obviously hence why I do a ton of EBWOP's.......
On June 29 2015 05:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: Well he some how knows there's a framer in the game, can it possible that mafia framed themselves to look green for DT checks?
I don't know but if there is one they woulda framed me..... Don't you remember the situation Night 1 when I was scumread the by the majority of the game? Ya if they had a Framer they woulda framed me to get a easy mislynch if my tinfoil hat theory is correct.
On June 29 2015 04:49 ShoCkeyy wrote: At this point, I can say yes. It's very possible this late into the game especially with how both of them have been playing. I feel like both of them have no motive to actually help the town win.
I have motivation why else was I trying to check if anyone is around? Jesus Christ you are far worse than Sicklucker -_-
On June 29 2015 05:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: Well he some how knows there's a framer in the game, can it possible that mafia framed themselves to look green for DT checks?
I don't know but if there is one they woulda framed me..... Don't you remember the situation Night 1 when I was scumread the by the majority of the game? Ya if they had a Framer they woulda framed me to get a easy mislynch if my tinfoil hat theory is correct.
On June 29 2015 05:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: Well he some how knows there's a framer in the game, can it possible that mafia framed themselves to look green for DT checks?
I don't know but if there is one they woulda framed me..... Don't you remember the situation Night 1 when I was scumread the by the majority of the game? Ya if they had a Framer they woulda framed me to get a easy mislynch if my tinfoil hat theory is correct.
I have no idea why you think this when gb was the scummiest suspect ever and mig and shockey did weird suspect switches. Why would you be framed?
Also, gonna do some digging and make a list soon so bear with me. Got semi food poisoning but it aint too bad so I'll man up.
I looked far worse than GB because of my claim and unclaim simple as that. I would be framed because I always a easy mislynch if people don't know me.
On June 29 2015 04:49 ShoCkeyy wrote: At this point, I can say yes. It's very possible this late into the game especially with how both of them have been playing. I feel like both of them have no motive to actually help the town win.
I don't see any evidence for them being mafia together. How do you explain Onegu tunneling LS all game?
Because Onegu is Onegu meaning he could do this shit regardless of his alignment.
On June 29 2015 05:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: Well he some how knows there's a framer in the game, can it possible that mafia framed themselves to look green for DT checks?
I don't know but if there is one they woulda framed me..... Don't you remember the situation Night 1 when I was scumread the by the majority of the game? Ya if they had a Framer they woulda framed me to get a easy mislynch if my tinfoil hat theory is correct.
You're turning around what I just said.
I already said my theory you idiot.
Why are you getting mad? Did I catch scum? Oh boy, it's getting exciting now.
On June 24 2015 01:00 GlowingBear wrote: Onegu, of course LS could be framed or godfather But I don't think LS would unclaim in that scenario because the unclaim is really coming from someone afraid of being redchecked
Unless you believe he intentionally created all this scenario exactly to be cop checked. Which is possible, but WIFOM.
On June 29 2015 04:49 ShoCkeyy wrote: At this point, I can say yes. It's very possible this late into the game especially with how both of them have been playing. I feel like both of them have no motive to actually help the town win.
I don't see any evidence for them being mafia together. How do you explain Onegu tunneling LS all game?
How do you explain both of them helping lynch GB off?
On June 29 2015 05:34 Damdred wrote: There are a few things i'm struggling with in regards to LS here
I had a decent town read on him earlier, and his activity really seems like town LS even when he screws himself over by saying whatever is in his head which he is apt to do as town.
His ignoring Rsoultin is difficult for me to cope with in that situation, but his vote isn't as bad as Onegs is in that situation I think. Him voting with LS and just calling it consolidation when red check hf or fake claiming mig could of died just rubs me the wrong way I guess?...
LS crazy theory about being green checked but he was framed.... idk, it just read sso bad and scummy that it might just come from town LS which is one of the strangest things about him. Its difficult so difficult.
LS give me some reads?
Me: I totes town I had read my pm and was motivated until KSC pressuring me then wishing me cancer(Although he said it was a joke it was a very bad one to do) and people thinking I scum. You Town: I felt you had some decent posting but you had little motivation which kinda hurt plus you not having internet didn't help :| Fid: He's totes town confirmed Mason by Rsoultin. VA: Claimed Jailkeeper and no CC. although there is a question about Bug's slot now: Mig mentioned VA being on Bugs slot Night 1 do you think it could be Mafia framing Bugs slot or did Mig confirmed Bugs slot as town? rux: I feel like that slot is town but again the question I had about Mig and VA how Mig confirmed VA going to his slot. Nydus: I think he's town yet again he did fall off a ton on activity and kinda worrying. HF: Red check yet I think he could be town but yet HF is a pretty good scum player by reputation so he could easily be scum here( I been by him a ton in the past). Onegu: If Onegu is town he played this game intentally bad he been tunneled on me all this game he tunneled on me in assassination he tends to tunnel a lot regardless of his alignment: Verdict Null leaning scum. Shockeyy: cased me pretty badly although this is his longest filter he ever had I feel like his content been pretty bad and his case on me and his instant scumread on me doesn't seem natural. Plus he been mainly around when I get mentioned and not much when I not and it's pretty scummy. Most likely scum.
tried to post this near night deadline but my 3G screwed me. guess what happened
Even GB himself said it's possible and when Gb was up for lynch LS jumped on the opportunity even though rsoul said not to? I thought LS and rsoul were buddy buddies why did he do it? It's a crazy theory, but it's completely fucking possible at this point.
Because sometimes I don't trust her reads because quite frankly in the past when I used to sheep her she was dead wrong hence why I told her to sheep me this game and other games in the past.
Also to default to everything: HTS and FF are scum since they are the Host and Cohost respectively and thus automatically are added to the scum team :O
On June 29 2015 05:54 Damdred wrote: All of these people trying to convince me now and talking to me is scary q.q just 10-20 hours ago iw as on everyones scum radar
Hmm this is a interesting post by VA regarding VA:
On June 27 2015 09:08 VayneAuthority wrote: the only way holyflare lives this deep into the game is if im on the scum team, so you have to decide if you think im town or he is.
So it seem like a paradox about himself regarding HF last Day Phase regarding how long HF stays alive if he(VA) was scum. He then asked us to decided if he(VA) is town or if HF is town. Just something interesting I had found while filter diving him.
On June 29 2015 10:19 NydusHerMain wrote: Here's why I want to lynch you regardless of my town read on you. Rs wanted to kill the fuck out of you next after mig and there was no reason for her to die over VA who could've potentially gotten a save on RS. If RS were alive today, she'd be gunning for you. If she was alive yesterday, she would be making a huge case against you. If I were scum and you're town, I nk in the order of VA and then Fidei, ride RS like a parapalegic in a wheelchair and try to get a ML on you. Towny as fuck or not, she was going after you and scum has no reason to kill her if she's pushing a town HF.
On June 29 2015 12:34 LightningStrike wrote: I been here I was just observing Nydus and you together HF and commented on a small detail regarding Mig and Shockeyy.
What are your thoughts so far,
Kinda torn I think you are town and content wise I do think HF is town but there was a red check on him and GB did say he had a green check on me. so (Shrugs) out of my tinfoil theory he could be a Miller. I can some of his arguments about the stuff regarding you but I think you are town.
On June 30 2015 03:07 Damdred wrote: Also its worth noting that the effort NHM is showing at this juncture makes me want to say hes town, the last time that he rolled scum and I was in the game with him he really just found someone he wantd to vote out and parked his vote and when it turned against him he showed up, but hes really pressuring hf here.
I think its a pretty good chance hes town still.
On top of that Nydus also had a 4 page filter in 4 Days and he gotten 11 pages and was around like 9-10 area at End of Day 4
On June 30 2015 03:10 Damdred wrote: Its a really tough game honestly, I'm like 99.9% sure that LS is town in this situation and I sort of hope hes scum just so I can be proud of him changing his meta in a way I didn't think he could.
FId is confirmed town
I know i'm town obviously.
This leaves me in a world where all I have to do is find town in Onegu, Shockey, HF, NHM and Rux. There are two towns and three mafia in this group.
Content wise HF could look ok, red check withstanding I still want some more of his thoughts around the GB lynch.
Oneg has 0 real content voted with his mafia read in lynching GB which was headed by confirmed mafia mig.
Shockey is sort of weird.
Rux could of carried a shot and got blocked or been shot, he seem to be trying to solve the game though that is true, but isn't really evolving his reads in a way.
On June 30 2015 03:10 Damdred wrote: Its a really tough game honestly, I'm like 99.9% sure that LS is town in this situation and I sort of hope hes scum just so I can be proud of him changing his meta in a way I didn't think he could.
FId is confirmed town
I know i'm town obviously.
This leaves me in a world where all I have to do is find town in Onegu, Shockey, HF, NHM and Rux. There are two towns and three mafia in this group.
Content wise HF could look ok, red check withstanding I still want some more of his thoughts around the GB lynch.
Oneg has 0 real content voted with his mafia read in lynching GB which was headed by confirmed mafia mig.
Shockey is sort of weird.
Rux could of carried a shot and got blocked or been shot, he seem to be trying to solve the game though that is true, but isn't really evolving his reads in a way.
Its a sort of a hard game at thi sjuncture though
What part of Shockeyy is weird?
I only asking this because I want your full thoughts on him that's all.
On June 29 2015 23:13 Holyflare wrote: Let's do a little exercise called actually playing the game of mafia.
If there were no such thing as a cop or red check in a normal game and everything you see points to someone being town and you think he is towny and has a lot of content then why on earth would you ever contemplate lynching that guy? The simple fact of the matter is that you wouldn't. This red check is clouding your actual judgement and making you forget how to play the game.
It's triple lylo and I'm not just going to sit back and let you get away with stuff like this. If I get lynched then we lose and it's on YOU. I absolutely will not accept the excuse post game that you got lazy and followed the red check despite thinking I was towny. I will look down on you as a player if that's how you play this game.
Nobody is interacting with me about nydus or any of the points or anything I'm raising (apart from nydus looool) and it's pathetic.
I think Nydus is most likely Town he had just rolled scum vs Damdred in Holy Guardians and he had 4 pages of filter plus he really just stuck to 1 thing parking votes more there compared to here.
On June 30 2015 03:07 Damdred wrote: Also its worth noting that the effort NHM is showing at this juncture makes me want to say hes town, the last time that he rolled scum and I was in the game with him he really just found someone he wantd to vote out and parked his vote and when it turned against him he showed up, but hes really pressuring hf here.
I think its a pretty good chance hes town still.
On top of that Nydus also had a 4 page filter in 4 Days and he gotten 11 pages and was around like 9-10 area at End of Day 4
I don't think its exactly fair to compare filter lengths in the two gams, one is a bit longer than the other.
So, in your world it would be
Ruxxor, HF, Shockey and Oneg as the last scum candidates yea? Which one is town ls
Again it goes back my question regarding the Night Phase because VA said he blocked rux's slot Night 1 and Mig said something about it idk I felt like the slot is town but I could be wrong.
Sorry I just got home from playing Pokemon TCG(Forgot to tell you guys that I was going out but I also did stayed longer than normal so meh) but honestly I willing to lynch Onegu and Shockeyy for certain but the question is who should we lynch first?
Okay I think maybe our best lynch is to lynch Shockeyy and here's why: Onegu is known to be terrible as town and his tunnel on me is kinda like he did in Assassination where I lynched him out of spite if I recalled correctly. Also I think it was Rux who made a case on Shockeyy which pretty much summed up what I been saying a little about Shockeyy. Even though Shockeyy had posted more this game than all his games in the database this is also a very large post number game so it could be inflated because of it. Also since all of the people who were night killed did scumread Shockeyy that could be a reason as to why they were killed other than VA being the claimed Jailkeeper(Like seriously why did scum decided to kill Rsoultin over a claimed Jailkeeper that was bad play by scum seriously -_-). I will lay my hammer on Shockeyy today. ##Vote: ShoCkeyy
rux since you scumread Shockeyy why not vote him with me right now? Pretty much all of the Night Killed Townies were scumreading him before they got killed including VA who shoulda been a auto kill on any team I think because VA did hard claimed Jailkeeper.
On July 01 2015 01:38 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I think maybe our best lynch is to lynch Shockeyy and here's why: Onegu is known to be terrible as town and his tunnel on me is kinda like he did in Assassination where I lynched him out of spite if I recalled correctly. Also I think it was Rux who made a case on Shockeyy which pretty much summed up what I been saying a little about Shockeyy. Even though Shockeyy had posted more this game than all his games in the database this is also a very large post number game so it could be inflated because of it. Also since all of the people who were night killed did scumread Shockeyy that could be a reason as to why they were killed other than VA being the claimed Jailkeeper(Like seriously why did scum decided to kill Rsoultin over a claimed Jailkeeper that was bad play by scum seriously -_-). I will lay my hammer on Shockeyy today. ##Vote: ShoCkeyy
I don't like the fact that you're basing your townread on onegu off meta. I tried using that approach in my last game and it only ended up shooting me in the foot.
I'd rather lynch onegu than shockey at this point, but I feel better about a shockey lynch than a HF lynch. At least shockey showed up at said a couple words, even though I find it lackluster.
I want onegu to show up and defend himself so that I'll get convinced that he's a worse lynch than Shockey. If he doesn't show up I'll take that as an admission of guilt and hope to vote him out as #1 scum.
Why don't you join me in pressuring onegu to defend himself?
I not really town reading I was just saying what I remember based both reputation and past games I had played with him.
On July 01 2015 01:38 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I think maybe our best lynch is to lynch Shockeyy and here's why: Onegu is known to be terrible as town and his tunnel on me is kinda like he did in Assassination where I lynched him out of spite if I recalled correctly. Also I think it was Rux who made a case on Shockeyy which pretty much summed up what I been saying a little about Shockeyy. Even though Shockeyy had posted more this game than all his games in the database this is also a very large post number game so it could be inflated because of it. Also since all of the people who were night killed did scumread Shockeyy that could be a reason as to why they were killed other than VA being the claimed Jailkeeper(Like seriously why did scum decided to kill Rsoultin over a claimed Jailkeeper that was bad play by scum seriously -_-). I will lay my hammer on Shockeyy today. ##Vote: ShoCkeyy
I don't like the fact that you're basing your townread on onegu off meta. I tried using that approach in my last game and it only ended up shooting me in the foot.
I'd rather lynch onegu than shockey at this point, but I feel better about a shockey lynch than a HF lynch. At least shockey showed up at said a couple words, even though I find it lackluster.
I want onegu to show up and defend himself so that I'll get convinced that he's a worse lynch than Shockey. If he doesn't show up I'll take that as an admission of guilt and hope to vote him out as #1 scum.
Why don't you join me in pressuring onegu to defend himself?
I not really town reading I was just saying what I remember based both reputation and past games I had played with him.
Also Onegu at least showed up better than Shockey I feel.
On July 01 2015 02:14 NydusHerMain wrote: Yeah I dunno Fidei... I feel most comfortable lynching shockey as much as I say that HF should die off red check
On July 01 2015 02:23 Fidei86 wrote: Also, for the post-game cred, I'm going to go for the scum team of HF, Damdred and Shockkey. Rsoult had Ruxx rather than Damdred as the fourth scum, but I'm seeing a Damdred deflect of HF combined with his generally shoddy play this game (in contrast to last game, where he was really strong).
This is my post-game cred for today if we don't lose (yes I know I called HF town). Watch LS + HF be mafia.
On July 01 2015 01:38 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I think maybe our best lynch is to lynch Shockeyy and here's why: Onegu is known to be terrible as town and his tunnel on me is kinda like he did in Assassination where I lynched him out of spite if I recalled correctly. Also I think it was Rux who made a case on Shockeyy which pretty much summed up what I been saying a little about Shockeyy. Even though Shockeyy had posted more this game than all his games in the database this is also a very large post number game so it could be inflated because of it. Also since all of the people who were night killed did scumread Shockeyy that could be a reason as to why they were killed other than VA being the claimed Jailkeeper(Like seriously why did scum decided to kill Rsoultin over a claimed Jailkeeper that was bad play by scum seriously -_-). I will lay my hammer on Shockeyy today. ##Vote: ShoCkeyy
I don't like the fact that you're basing your townread on onegu off meta. I tried using that approach in my last game and it only ended up shooting me in the foot.
I'd rather lynch onegu than shockey at this point, but I feel better about a shockey lynch than a HF lynch. At least shockey showed up at said a couple words, even though I find it lackluster.
I want onegu to show up and defend himself so that I'll get convinced that he's a worse lynch than Shockey. If he doesn't show up I'll take that as an admission of guilt and hope to vote him out as #1 scum.
Why don't you join me in pressuring onegu to defend himself?
I not really town reading I was just saying what I remember based both reputation and past games I had played with him.
And maybe he's using this tactic again to make you think he's town? I mean, if you are mafia, what are the first thing you will try to do? You will try to play the same was as you did when you were town. So people will think, oh he played this way when he was town, now he's playing the same way == he must be town!. This is like the most basic way and easiest trick for mafia to look like town, and is why I don't like using meta for things like this.
You can't just say "Oh he played terrible in this other game, it's fine that he's playing terrible here too!". NO It's not fine to play terrible here even if you played terrible as town in another game. You need to step up and do your best. If you're not trying to help town win then I don't care about how towny your meta makes you look.
You're playing anti-town and you're not helping us win!
Again I don't think he's exactly town but he a pretty capable scum player though so(Shrugs).
On July 01 2015 02:29 Fidei86 wrote: BTW if Shockey flips town and HF flips scum, you are all going to feel sooooo stupid that you let him argue you out of a red check.
If Shockeyy flips scum we can still possibly lynch him later but not today.
On July 01 2015 02:32 Fidei86 wrote: So basically I'm at:
Town: Ruxx LS Me
Scum: HF Shock
Meh: Damdred Onegu
I'm going with Damdred over Onegu because Onegu is useless in every game, whereas Damdred was specifically very helpful in his last game, and has been rubbish in this game.
On July 01 2015 05:20 ShoCkeyy wrote: LS if you're not mafia, then why vote for me? You still haven't given a good reason why to vote for me? All you're doing is voting for a town. You vote for me and it's an auto lose. Why not vote for obvious mafia unless you're mafia too?
I sheeping the dead plus rux's case pretty much summed what I had thought of you throughout the game. If you're town I sorry that you get lynched but if you're scum at least I can still win since I'm Town.
On July 01 2015 05:20 ShoCkeyy wrote: LS if you're not mafia, then why vote for me? You still haven't given a good reason why to vote for me? All you're doing is voting for a town. You vote for me and it's an auto lose. Why not vote for obvious mafia unless you're mafia too?
I sheeping the dead plus rux's case pretty much summed what I had thought of you throughout the game. If you're town I sorry that you get lynched but if you're scum at least I can still win since I'm Town.
you should be lynching onegu with me
I can see him being town but he also appears really scummy though based on our past together. Also the dead too that were NK'd said to lynch Shockeyy(Including VA)
On July 01 2015 05:20 ShoCkeyy wrote: LS if you're not mafia, then why vote for me? You still haven't given a good reason why to vote for me? All you're doing is voting for a town. You vote for me and it's an auto lose. Why not vote for obvious mafia unless you're mafia too?
I sheeping the dead plus rux's case pretty much summed what I had thought of you throughout the game. If you're town I sorry that you get lynched but if you're scum at least I can still win since I'm Town.
So you're following others because you can't form your own opinion? Good job. Now I know to never play with you again. Thanks, you're terrible at this game unless you're mafia, then you're not that bad by playing dumb the whole game.
I had already you were Mafia beforehand? Look rux pretty much summed up what I had said about you and sometimes I look at the dead for reasons why they could be NK'd since it's LYLO and we didn't have a clear lynch. Ofc they all had scumread you the night they died I know it's WIFOM but it all matches up to you.
On July 01 2015 05:20 ShoCkeyy wrote: LS if you're not mafia, then why vote for me? You still haven't given a good reason why to vote for me? All you're doing is voting for a town. You vote for me and it's an auto lose. Why not vote for obvious mafia unless you're mafia too?
I sheeping the dead plus rux's case pretty much summed what I had thought of you throughout the game. If you're town I sorry that you get lynched but if you're scum at least I can still win since I'm Town.
So you're following others because you can't form your own opinion? Good job. Now I know to never play with you again. Thanks, you're terrible at this game unless you're mafia, then you're not that bad by playing dumb the whole game.
I had already you were Mafia beforehand? Look rux pretty much summed up what I had said about you and sometimes I look at the dead for reasons why they could be NK'd since it's LYLO and we didn't have a clear lynch. Ofc they all had scumread you the night they died I know it's WIFOM but it all matches up to you.
Dude you posted reasons for shockeyy not to be mafia a million times about how his past games were completely different and you've just afk'd the entire game basically and sheeped other people's opinions. Did you even read my case on onegu just now? YOu KNOW how awful it is to sheep dead people too and if you did want to do that all of the dead people in this game said that onegu could be mafia.
Ugh I said I couldn't tell on meta? I already had checked his past games I came to a conclusion that I couldn't tell a difference between his scum play and Town play on posts alone -_-. Also the ones who were NK'd were mixed on Onegu some said he was town some said he was scum.
On July 01 2015 05:20 ShoCkeyy wrote: LS if you're not mafia, then why vote for me? You still haven't given a good reason why to vote for me? All you're doing is voting for a town. You vote for me and it's an auto lose. Why not vote for obvious mafia unless you're mafia too?
I sheeping the dead plus rux's case pretty much summed what I had thought of you throughout the game. If you're town I sorry that you get lynched but if you're scum at least I can still win since I'm Town.
So you're following others because you can't form your own opinion? Good job. Now I know to never play with you again. Thanks, you're terrible at this game unless you're mafia, then you're not that bad by playing dumb the whole game.
I had already you were Mafia beforehand? Look rux pretty much summed up what I had said about you and sometimes I look at the dead for reasons why they could be NK'd since it's LYLO and we didn't have a clear lynch. Ofc they all had scumread you the night they died I know it's WIFOM but it all matches up to you.
Dude you posted reasons for shockeyy not to be mafia a million times about how his past games were completely different and you've just afk'd the entire game basically and sheeped other people's opinions. Did you even read my case on onegu just now? YOu KNOW how awful it is to sheep dead people too and if you did want to do that all of the dead people in this game said that onegu could be mafia.
Ugh I said I couldn't tell on meta? I already had checked his past games I came to a conclusion that I couldn't tell a difference between his scum play and Town play on posts alone -_-. Also the ones who were NK'd were mixed on Onegu some said he was town some said he was scum.
keslier said he was scummy, breshke said he didn't know but onegu's town read on gb was weird,bugs scum read him, rsoultin did too, va did, ritoky didn't say anything
I think rsoultin had him as poe though not anything else as this quote seems to implicate:
On June 26 2015 03:15 rsoultin wrote: anyway i'm at
mig/ruxx/hf/shockey <- post-game cred
outside chance of oneg
mig, ruxx, hf almost definitely scum...if i'm not here tomorrow and y'all don't lynch mig -_- well, there's not much i can do about it but you should be feeling my DISPLEASURE beating on all your heads the WHOLE TIME lol ><
On July 01 2015 05:20 ShoCkeyy wrote: LS if you're not mafia, then why vote for me? You still haven't given a good reason why to vote for me? All you're doing is voting for a town. You vote for me and it's an auto lose. Why not vote for obvious mafia unless you're mafia too?
I sheeping the dead plus rux's case pretty much summed what I had thought of you throughout the game. If you're town I sorry that you get lynched but if you're scum at least I can still win since I'm Town.
So you're following others because you can't form your own opinion? Good job. Now I know to never play with you again. Thanks, you're terrible at this game unless you're mafia, then you're not that bad by playing dumb the whole game.
I had already you were Mafia beforehand? Look rux pretty much summed up what I had said about you and sometimes I look at the dead for reasons why they could be NK'd since it's LYLO and we didn't have a clear lynch. Ofc they all had scumread you the night they died I know it's WIFOM but it all matches up to you.
Dude you posted reasons for shockeyy not to be mafia a million times about how his past games were completely different and you've just afk'd the entire game basically and sheeped other people's opinions. Did you even read my case on onegu just now? YOu KNOW how awful it is to sheep dead people too and if you did want to do that all of the dead people in this game said that onegu could be mafia.
Ugh I said I couldn't tell on meta? I already had checked his past games I came to a conclusion that I couldn't tell a difference between his scum play and Town play on posts alone -_-. Also the ones who were NK'd were mixed on Onegu some said he was town some said he was scum.
keslier said he was scummy, breshke said he didn't know but onegu's town read on gb was weird,bugs scum read him, rsoultin did too, va did, ritoky didn't say anything
I think rsoultin had him as poe though not anything else as this quote seems to implicate:
On June 26 2015 03:15 rsoultin wrote: anyway i'm at
mig/ruxx/hf/shockey <- post-game cred
outside chance of oneg
mig, ruxx, hf almost definitely scum...if i'm not here tomorrow and y'all don't lynch mig -_- well, there's not much i can do about it but you should be feeling my DISPLEASURE beating on all your heads the WHOLE TIME lol ><
On July 01 2015 07:30 Fidei86 wrote: I'm only going to play 13 man games from now on. This game was way too hard for a casual at the start.
To be fair I was in like a 20 person game when I was a Newbie(3rd Game I had played on TL) and it was a post limit game but it was still hell to read -_-
I think this might very telling of Onegu's alignment:
On July 01 2015 06:59 ShoCkeyy wrote: ONEGU PLEASE. WE CAN WIN IF WE JUST GET ON ONEGU.
So with the wagons on him and Onegu he literately said we can win if we just get on Onegu and he(Shockeyy) flipped as Framer so this could mean that Onegu is town by that and some meta.
On July 02 2015 03:57 ruXxar wrote: I have to say that in isolation, onegu's play still screams scum to me. I can't come to terms with a town person playing the way onegu does.
Onegu actually looked better after that lynch(At least in my opinion because Shockeyy kept trying to get us to lynch Onegu instead of himself) also Onegu always looks scummy as town check Assassination, Games of Thrones, PYP Pick your Protoss for your sample of his town play. For scum play check Generic, XXX Night of Debauchery, and Hammertime as they are his most recent scum games. Only reason my read change on him was mainly both checking his Assassination filter which I played vs him and lynched him out of spite if I recalled correctly and he playing close to that meta. Also with how Shockeyy trying deflect the lynch off himself to Onegu it makes Onegu look much better in my mind.
On July 02 2015 07:03 LightningStrike wrote: Baby Seals is scum claim it started with Happa when he replaced into a scum slot and posted them a bunch. Now it's known as a scum concession lol.
Hey sorry for being gone I was at Pokemon TCG league playing both that and Super Smash Bros 4 and ofc Damdred now thinks I scum after he hard defended me early on -_- Also if I had been framed it would mean I the Miller therefore HF would be very likely scum then which is pretty much what my Tinfoil Hat Theory was about.
Honestly Onegu is a very easy mislynch as town and honestly the fact that HF is even alive past Day 3(before it was announced that he got red checked) means he more likely to be scum than Town esp given his reputation. He had done similar here to Carol and Ippo when he was scum trust me he can shit post a ton as scum. I would rather lynch HF than Onegu at this point. ##Vote: Holyflare
On July 03 2015 10:17 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly Onegu is a very easy mislynch as town and honestly the fact that HF is even alive past Day 3(before it was announced that he got red checked) means he more likely to be scum than Town esp given his reputation. He had done similar here to Carol and Ippo when he was scum trust me he can shit post a ton as scum. I would rather lynch HF than Onegu at this point. ##Vote: Holyflare
You say that Onegu is an easy mislynch, but do you think his play is scummy or towny?
On July 03 2015 12:30 Onegu wrote: Ruxxar is like 90% final scum to me.
I'm really thankful for your very good explanation of this statement.... No really, thank you.
Like seriously, you keep saying this like you're some Jedi trying to convince us with mind tricks. I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry at this point, since you keep throwing this at me with no reason except OMGUS. Right now I have a very hard time taking anything you say seriously.
Oh and I'm 90% sure onegu is scum too.
Just sheep my meta read on him for now and just lynch HF with me and Onegu. HF will flip scum more likely than Onegu with the red check on him and other stuff too.
On July 03 2015 14:07 Damdred wrote: I kinda hope you are right ls.
Though ls what happens after hf for you? Who's the scum?
Well it's a PoE between you and rux. You because you were playing worse than normal plus with little motivation for most of the game. rux even though he did step it up the one thing that still concerns me is the Jailkeeper had claimed he went on him Night 1 when scum lost 1 KP and it could be possible his slot pocketed me really hard Day 1 since bugs had played a game with me just before this one.
Nydus and Rux switch to HF RIGHT NOW! I had decided to check out Carol bingo he did soft defended Ritoky and some of his other scum mates mainly Xata but he also was very Mafia siding that game as scum. Again he did hard mafia sided this entire game he can fake his anger easily as I had saw in Carol he even made a super large post as scum too here:
On December 23 2014 05:34 Holyflare wrote: Table of Contents - (click to go to relevant section)
I thought I'd make a nicely formatted post with a collection of all my thoughts. It might get a little intense for you people that don't like to read the thread. It might blow your mind with information that you didn't think existed. You may get a little jaded and think "how the hell can he think that!" but at least give it a read because there's things that have been slipping by that people have not noticed. People that weren't even considered to be mafia that may actually be mafia after all. Hopefully this post will break it down for you.
I'm putting in a considerable amount of time into this post so don't throw it all away just because you're convinced I'm mafia because of useless crap being pushed by lazy people that aren't reading the game or people that are actually mafia (explanation on last point later). If there are 4 mafia left then you can absolutely not lynch me today for information because today could well be lylo.
Somewhat of an unspoken enigma in this game, Half the Sky has been under the radar for a considerable portion of the game but almost never been pushed (until last night by me/vivax/sl). I know that i'm somewhat responsible for that, being lazy and in the limelight for centuries but that's no excuse for someone to skate on by and not be pressured like Half the Sky (HTS) has achieved.
Her entry into the game is somewhat questionable now that bunnies has flipped town and I honestly forgot entirely about it. Seemingly everyone else did too.
On December 09 2014 08:10 27ninjabunnies wrote: Alright, so here is how it goes boys (and possible other girls?).
You should be glad that I was rerolled into the game! You know why? Because I am amazing, and will lead town to an unbeatable victory!
That being said. RNG is absolutely terrible. If you can't scum hunt, you don't belong in my game
However, Templar is more likely town for that nonsense. Also, I have a hot date in an hour, and prob won't be back on again until the morning, so let's make some progress!
Greetings everyone! 27NB, I'm also female, join the club and I drew town as well, so victory together!
Good luck and have fun with your date. As for me, well, shopping for my significant other is done and dusted. Some years it's easier than others.
Kelsier, can you please explain the Scrooge claim post? Agreed with HF, what are you seeing in this?
This post can now be seen in such a manor to appear like HTS KNEW that bunnies was town and slipped accordingly. She tried to explain that it was just her saying that she was female too but that is most definitely not what the post states. She effectively dodged the question about saying she was town too by ignoring it.
On December 09 2014 08:56 KelsierSC wrote: hts how do you know 27nb is town
I don't lol, that was mainly an introduction to her saying possible other girls. I read her first post, and then just now stumbled into the whole discussion of her comment on lurkers and such that is being debated right now.
Now I had to read all those posts a few times, but I can see where Holyflare is coming from.
Slam, no you are not creepy.
The rest of her early filter is an excellent display of sheeping sentiment and posts that have already been stated and using them as her own reads, it's not much to go on in terms of the scheme of things but it's a case of "tell me something that I haven't heard before" syndrome where all the posts about reads are super obvious ones like me trying to push forward the game, kita looking like he's trying to solve the game, froggy "has 2 posts". None of it is analytical and when it does get slightly analytical it's based entirely on what other people said.
On December 09 2014 22:23 Xatalos wrote: Half the Sky: do you have other scumreads besides 27ninjabunnies?
Yes, I do.
My town reads seem very straightforward from everyone I've evaluated last night: Holyflare, Rasputin (rsoultin), Damdred, kitaman27 (who seems to be picking apart things as he should), you also appear to be doing the same atm.
Null - Froggy (one post discussing policy and that's it), Bats (retracted his previous argument as others had the same opinion), Vivax (talking about Froggy)
Null leaning scum - OWS - don't understand his posts, the SL lynch posts I believe were because SL was posting one-liner fluff but after that it was all one word posts.
Scum - 27NB and Kush for reasons I've explained.
I have to look into GlowingBear and Templar and a few others more. LS was null prior to his latest post updated with reads.
The point is it's entirely not hard to do what she has done day 1 as mafia. It's also not exclusively scummy, as i'm sure people will be jumping with joy to point out but it's a great way for mafia to blend in.
A better point to note for her day 1 is her progression of main scum reads and especially where her vote ended on day 1:
Froggy's post to me is a null, although that sentence is contradictory.
She starts to compile the reasons that I already stated to add onto her bunnies scum read here but twists it towards adding on ritoky as a reason to scum read her too here:
Xatalos, first, as explained, that first post I made towards bunnies was 1) before I read the trouble she'd gotten herself into, which I already admitted and 2) being the only other female in a male-dominated field, regardless of whatever roles we were, I thought it was cool to find another girl here. If you want to discuss usefulness of posts, that's fine, but there are a few others in the thread with far more fluff to start the game, as you put it.
Bunnies herself had more fluff at the very beginning of this thread (pages 16-17) and the whole Nicki Minaj thing on Ritoky followed by her vote on him is just...I mean if that's based on meta, I cannot tell that it is. I'm going to assume it's a joke vote, otherwise I cannot follow why she is voting him. Even worse, you look at her D1 list, she's voted Ritoky and she doesn't even scumlist him or change her vote before she leaves?
The rest of the posts are answers to questions, mostly by Damdred. Since you don't know me, this is my second game ever, first normal on TLM (thus unprepared for how quickly the thread took off) and I even told Damdred I had to keep reading other's posts to answer his questions on my reads.
if you look at the post above with her null/scum reads froggy is listed as Null - (one post discussing policy and that's it) and her scum reads are bunnies and kush.
Yet, bunnies does NOT adequately explain her list at all because as people stated multiple times in the thread people to look into do not sound like scum reads and iffy does not sound like null. Her list still existed, there were other points that made bunnies scummy pointed out by me, kita, vivax etc and instead of talking about those she ignored them all away by saying this:
27NB has answered my main concern on her (the Ritoky vote versus her D1 list) and the large D1 list in of itself early on which Damdred brought up with me which is making me reconsider. Marking Kitaman for saying hey as iffy is definitely alright, but not scum. But she explained that already.
If HTS was sheeping me as she mentioned earlier that my points on bunnies were good then this was not an adequate reason to get off of bunnies at all. Especially as her vote ended up on froggynoddy over any of her ACTUAL scum reads like kush/ows etc etc. She went for a vote on someone who was null and had absolutely nobody discussing to lynch. She didn't put effort into solving alignments at all and she was quite quick to jump off the leading wagon for no good reason whatsoever. This is scummy and unexplained in her filter.
Her day 2 is pretty unremarkable, it's like 1 page of filter where it says ritoky's case is full of holes on me and she shuts down gb's case of me and says ritoky is scummy but then ditches it for every leading wagon ever.
Scum reads ritoky for terrible case on me, holes in play, present. Defends case against me. Ritoky doesn't gain traction but ff is starting to -> switches to ff. Tubesock gains traction for scum slip -> switches to tubesock. Kelsier starts to gain traction for trfl case -> switches to kelsier because she can't switch to me after dismissing gb's case. This is also where the crux of another argument begins (one I made previously). The reason she scum read tubesock was basically inactivity and the "slip" about 5 mafia members. However, in that day she said she would give him the benefit of the doubt yada yada. Then we lead on to my case on her from last night which nobody has even mentioned today bar SL and rsoul has completely dismissed for no reason whatsoever (surprise surprise, will get to that later).
On December 16 2014 04:44 Fecalfeast wrote: I was never sold on tubesack being town but there was one post that made me wonder
On December 14 2014 07:24 Tubesock wrote:
On December 14 2014 07:24 Fecalfeast wrote: heading to work really soon, any objections to me staying on HF?
I do. Me or Kel. Take your pick.
Who gives an ultimatum between himself and his scum buddy?
I believe that was around the time he told Rasputin he didn't deserve to live, or if he died it would give his case massive credence. I remember that and that sounded like he was misguided. I am pretty sure I can find the quote because I remember very well Rasputin telling him off for that.
On December 19 2014 10:57 Half the Sky wrote: Rasputin, HF's case on Templar is checking out. I dove into it during dinner, and that combined with GB's comment on the Tubesock tunnel makes him look really bad. As it stands I have no issues changing votes.
Wut. Hts sees tube giving an ultimatum about kelsier and himself from the other day, sees the case on templar with awful push on tube and agrees with it. Votes tube...?
Not to mention scum read gb pushing scum read templar who is pushing scum read tube???
On December 20 2014 06:01 Half the Sky wrote:
On December 20 2014 05:52 rsoultin wrote: The kill HF cheering squad is not around. Makes me wonder why. Makes me uncomfortable lynching Templar. -shrugs- Call me paranoid if you wish. I am, lol.
Rasputin, the magic number is six. If I were queen of Liquidia, I'd get rid of both GB and Templar, but seriously can that wagon realistically get another five votes in the remaining two hours?
Wut.
This was the case I made. It's pretty good. The only times HTS has really mentioned tube were to wagon onto him for being lazy/crazy/slipping but she said she'd give him the benefit of the doubt. She also commented on him another time to tell him that giving ultimatums between 2 players (himself and kelsier) isn't that great of a thing to do. So she definitely knows that in his repitoire of things that he's done tube has in fact made a lynch between himself and mafia and pushed kelsier in his conspiracy theory.
Later in the game I make a case on templar. His only push this game was on TOWN tube (who now that tube has flipped town looks terrible because of when templar said he only wanted to push mafia after talking about tube being mafia all of day 2). Now, when you agree with a case on someone being mafia (and she said it was very compelling) your first instinct isn't that THEIR scum read is being bussed by their team mate usually. So now, she scum reads GB based on rsoul's case. GB was talking about templar only pushing tube which HTS said she agreed with and it looked scummy. Templar was only pushing tube which she agreed, looked scummy. Who does she end up voting for!??!?! THE PEOPLE HER SCUM READ WERE PUSHING!??!?!?!?! I don't understand in the slightest and her reason for switching that she posted today didn't make any sense
On December 19 2014 01:33 Half the Sky wrote: SL - read your post top of page 200. - Your third quote from GB - he's using setup here. Anything setup related is entirely speculative. Vivax (I believe it was him) provided an alternative setup to that, so I'm not sure how setup implicates anyone or provides alignment indicative information. I don't think your post is a very strong one when you try and use that.
Holyflare, regarding your case page 201. - Generally speaking I didn't like how Templar wasn't participatory and had a weaker scumread on him as of last cycle - The case you have on Templar is very solid altogether, especially using the meta to back it up.
Both appear to have different styles of playing scum in the cases illustrated, and I would think not all scum are going play the same way on a single scum team. I made that point in Student Mafia IV that it was more unlikely that all scummers would play the same way, with two of them out of the way in this game, it is a reasonable assumption here assuming 3 remain.
I could vote for either GB or Templar based on what has been presented.
(Sidenotes: HF - 10/10 on the contract lol Vivax - did you really have to post that visual on page 203? ugh)
On December 22 2014 22:15 Half the Sky wrote: SL, I did not actually town read Tube. He was all over the place, but I was going to give him more time before concluding anything on him. Also at that time, I felt more strongly about others and focused on them/reviewed cases.
At EoD, we did not have enough votes for GB, so we consolidated. But when we consolidated on Templar, Rasputin had second thoughts about Templar, given how easily the wagon piled up. At the time, it made sense given the 27NB wagon D1, and not wanting a repeat of that, second-guessed myself which is why I got my vote off Templar. Tube had not posted in awhile, and that's why the decision was made.
Templar wagon was most definitely NOT quick, the tube wagon WAS SUPER QUICK but when push came to shove she didn't make that conusion and switch back to her actual scum read no and she most definitely could have by the way. She was all the merrier to stay on tubesock and lynch him despite her scum read pushing him ALL GAME.
You don't go from 2 compelling cases on gb and templar to voting on who they are pushing EVER unless you are switching to set up a mislynch or divert the wagon off of your scum buddy.
Also, yet again, her vote today is shying away from any of the wagons at all (me and templar). Templar should be EVEN MORE of a scum read today for her seeing as she would have priveleged information of what her alignment is and how the switch went down on tube. If she had those thoughts as town it wouldn't be particularly difficult for others to have those thoughts but she decides that xatalos is the scummy one and not actually templar whose case she still hasn't said she has disagreed with yet but isn't voting even though he is a second wagon.
Conclusion: Mafia.
TL;DR: Flitting between whatever lynch sentiment is on, following off of scum reads onto who scum reads push, leaving votes on wasted people, no original thoughts.
Oats is literally a waste of space, HTS tried to make a case on oats being mafia which were based on absolutely 0 reasons that oats should be mafia (and she has completely dropped this since then???? +++oats/hts conspiracy) and I replied with this:
On December 15 2014 23:14 Holyflare wrote: You don't have to look at meta to see oats is scummy. No idea why you only have a tiny bit based on his content and those things aren't even the things that make oats scummy.
However, bunnies didnt explain shit on her change which makes me think it is really bad. So too scum to be scum.
On December 12 2014 22:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
On December 12 2014 22:10 GlowingBear wrote: I want to read more of the thread before making a case on HF, but a lot of his reasoning is off. The lack of push on ritoky's present claim, the multiple scumreads of wagons outside the 27nb wagon and the 27nb mislynch is all playing against him.
His entrance in this game is awful, he picking on bunnies for being contradictory when picking up on frogs awful entrance but not picking on Vivax post on frog... This kind of double standards worries me.
explain pls. Im not feeling it.
On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote: How is nk analysis even relevant?
Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.
Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.
Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.
It's things like this where he tries to shut down wagons (on conveniently town wagons (pending ff isn't gf or something) based on really just nothing. It's worse when he tries to shit on the ff lynch because of his post count and not the content especially as there were lots of content cases on ff at that point and i don't think it was till after vivax called him out that he started adding more reasons why the lynch was bad (the nk analysis things etc).
He is just uninvolved and downplaying lynches to end up only lynching lurkers.
On December 23 2014 00:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Im so fucking busy.
But this hf read is badbadbabdbadbadbad cant explain why. But its bad.
#temp2014 ##vote Temp
His votes have also been unexplained/left outlying/meh all game.
This is totally uncharacteristic for oats as any alignment in any game (although his mafia games tend to be lower content/post count filters) and really there's like nothing else to say other than the above because his filter is absent of absolutely anything. Unless he claims medic or something then he is very likely mafia.
This is the most controversial read of all and I'm going to basically base it entirely on his behaviour in a possible lylo situation and the day before the possible lylo situation because fuck talking about 26 pages of filter in one post.
He's spent a long long long time scum reading GB as you all know very well (as some of you sheeped this read), I mean just literally read his plethora of posts on gb from like page 14+ of his filter????
On December 18 2014 23:22 rsoultin wrote: Okay -_- So for those of you who don't like wall posts I will make my stance simple. Most of my points on GB could happen as either town or mafia. Town can flip their reads on a gut read (odd that the one it protects is scum, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything) to someone instead of focusing on genuinely scummy behavior. Town can digress into a "town only gives presents to town" WIFOM for no reason. Town can speculate on set-ups and base scum reads on that. Town can tunnel. All of these things together look worse...or at least make the player look like a bad town player...but there are a couple things that are scum-motivated that have no town motivation at all:
- Continually calling for mass claiming in an open set-up where scum has 2-3KSs.Or calling for certain individuals to claim (carolers, those who were roleblocked, vet)
- Attempting to take credit for a lynch when he did not catch the lie, and furthermore did not vote for the player being lynched, when he clearly had enough time to do so. His defense that he was trying to see who would jump onto a third train was never followed through on...he is back on his old soapbox today.
^ There are no reasons that these are town behaviors. Plain and simple. You can ignore everything else and write it off as a pisspoor town player, but there are no reasons for a town player to do these two things.
HF may well be scum, I don't know. But I haven't seen him do scummy things, and I have seen GB do a multitude. Again, if you want to base your lynch decisions on WIFOM, presents, and set-up speculation...be my guest. Don't be surprised if it comes back to bite you in the arse though.
This is an especially apt quote. He sees absolutely no reason for this behaviour to come from any towny whatsoever. There's also the fact that he agrees with my templar case, sees him as scummy, says there's only 1 or 2 points which are a bit strange which I pretty adequately explain (and he takes it as me being pissed at him for some reason).
On December 19 2014 23:20 rsoultin wrote: Nah, I mostly agreed with your case. Was just commenting on some of your analytical comments that didn't seem as solid. I'm still for voting GB if I had my preference, though that's probably obvious lol.
I did, however, want you to understand that I'd read your case, agree that he could easily be scum, while explaining why I'm not as sure of him. (tbh though, lynching Templar down the road regardless of GBs alignment is a definite possibility in my eyes. he's not playing well. i'm also concerned about oats who doesn't seem to be interested in contributing much this game. is that normal for him? he seemed more engaged in my other game with him)
People commented on some of my actual analysis, too, and I agreed with some of their corrections. I.e. nothing necessarily being all that scummy about a rage!fitting demanding GB on Day 2, lol, but I still dislike people screaming at me to do things, especially for poor or unexplained reasons.
On December 20 2014 00:17 rsoultin wrote: I didn't make myself clear. Not believing that Damdred received a kill present is what implies SL is scum xP So we just said the same thing.
But yeah, he's very squirrely on all these presents. I'm scum leaning on him, but I don't think today is a good day to push him, because hey uphill climb lol. He's done a good job of convincing people to generally ignore his nuttiness (myself included) so that when he is scum we don't look at him as closely as maybe we should.
let's add SL to the scum read list he has because ignoring his joyful child claim that makes SL super towny is all the rage nowadays and is just adding to the giant list of everyone that rsoul wants to lynch.
Solidifies that GB lied about something and he wants to lynch him:
On December 17 2014 10:35 GlowingBear wrote: But well, my theory that scum could have hammered HF but didn't was proven right.
If you're still scumreading me, remember that I was the one that started to ask questions about notification to ritoky. This is exactly what I was trying to achieve at that moment. That's why after his answer I asked anyone who was roleblocked day1 to claim.
Also, as holyflare quoted Vivax, LoneMeow was shot by vigi.
Proof one is that Obi said he was reading LM as mafia Proof two is that, as only 2 kills happened, Obi was shot AND roleblocked, which is TOO accurate night actions for mafia UNLESS they realise obi was the only one scumreading LM. And as they know they didn't shoot LM night one, it was easy to know who to roleblock and kill.
Only you didn't. You asked for people to claim being roleblocked before ritoky answered, then all you said was "okay". I can find the quotes again, if you need them as proof, but now I know where I got my timing messed up...you planted it in my head.
There is nothing whatsoever to indicate that you were trying to catch ritoky out in a lie.
There is, however, evidence to indicate that you were trying to get people to claim that they were being roleblocked...which, if you knew as you claim to that they weren't receiving notifications, is role-hunting. And if you knew, as you claim, you should have called ritoky out, not simply said "okay".
So either you're lying about your purpose behind asking for people to claim because you never really knew, or you had the opportunity, knowing that ritoky was lying, to call him on it and chose not to.
Currently Holyflare is set to be lynched. 12h24m until deadline.
Okay, we're about six hours out, so I guess it's time to ask were people stand.
I'm more confident of GB as scum than Templar, but am willing to vote Templar if others don't agree with me. I've already explained why.
I'd appreciate those on GB and Templar to say where they stand on the other two lynch options, why they like one scumread over another (if they have multiple) and whether or not they'd be willing to change their votes.
On December 20 2014 03:58 rsoultin wrote: Lol wasn't Tube the one going on about getting framed for getting passed a present? I don't think he ever claimed it. So that and his "slip" are your reasons, right, LS?
Alright, I'll go with Templar cause I'm going out and not certain I'll be back for EoD.
That said, I still think GB is more likely to flip scum -shrugs- Templar has some issues, but I could see him being just an apathetic lurker all too easily, unfortunately...
##unvote ##vote Templar
votes templar cz might not be back (returns in like an hour!?) and then suddenly out of the blue despite 48 hours of discussion saying otherwise states that templar MIGHT JUST BE APATHETIC TOWN AND MIGHT ACTUALLY BE TOWN!?!?!?!?!!?
On December 20 2014 05:52 rsoultin wrote: -salutes-
##unvote ##vote GB
The kill HF cheering squad is not around. Makes me wonder why. Makes me uncomfortable lynching Templar. -shrugs- Call me paranoid if you wish. I am, lol.
^ derails wagon nearing deadline, first display of hesitance for no reason (people not around to want to lynch me even though they are voting me already??)
On December 20 2014 05:52 rsoultin wrote: The kill HF cheering squad is not around. Makes me wonder why. Makes me uncomfortable lynching Templar. -shrugs- Call me paranoid if you wish. I am, lol.
Rasputin, the magic number is six. If I were queen of Liquidia, I'd get rid of both GB and Templar, but seriously can that wagon realistically get another five votes in the remaining two hours?
Lol, realistically, I hope so. It either can or it can't. There are eight on Templar, so it doesn't threaten anyone's lynch preference for me to stick to my guns for awhile xP I only switched over because I didn't know how long I'd be out doing the Xmas shopping.
My concern is the cheering squad has been quite vocal the other times when we were lynching scum instead of HF. Now they're not. As I said, I'm paranoid.
The Templar case has some points, but nothing that I see that couldn't happen if he were town. -shrugs- Not gonna force y'all to join me.
suddenly all the points where the templar could be leaning scummy for rsoul, all the points he's agreed with he suddenly COULD BE TOWN!???????? what the fuck, no, just no
magically after this switch onto someone rsoul has never mentioned at all (tube) his read on gb disappears despite him catching him in a lie and seeing absolutely no town motivation from his moves, his read on sl disappears, his read on oats has suddenly become more clear despite being "undecided" on him for every cycle this game, his read on templar becomes a fucking POLICY LYNCH ON SOMEONE WHO ISNT HERE
Templar I feel is a policy lynch, but I also have my suspicions as to why he would change onto Tube but not GB, and while you could say that Tube was a scumread for him...given how little he pushed Tube and how he seemed to have no other scumreads, he's sufficiently suspicious for me to consider lynching him.
AND THEN SCUM READS ME FOR NOT BEING HERE BUT THAT'S NOT A POLICY LOL????????????????????????????????????
HF...I could see as scum. He has survived 3 wagons now, though I know I've played a large role in that. I can see him as scum because he's spent most of the thread defending himself, and the vets keep saying he's an amazing town player...but I'm not seeing anything particularly amazing coming from him. He chose to make a case against Templar, and not only is Templar almost a policy lynch, but the analysis behind HF's case had a lot of holes. Maybe y'all's definition of an amazing town player is different than mine, but he's been less than impressive this game. I also have a low tolerance for excuse after excuse. Add onto that the possibility to better understand the voting from the last 3 days...and he's not a bad choice for lynch. I'd call him null leaning scum for me.
I'll tell you why this basically confirms him as scum. He takes all the points throughout the game that said DIDN'T make someone scummy and has combined them to make a read on me being scummy because that's where sentiment is.
His read on me surviving 3 wagons he has already stated doesn't make anyone scum here:
On December 20 2014 10:49 rsoultin wrote: Okay, genuine question time. From players who are not HF/lian:
Is there some sort of special significance to being a wagon multiple days?
He says templar is a policy lynch after agreeing with the post as I said before and saying he was leaning scum to then saying he was suddenly probably town and now doesn't even feature as any read whatsoever other than policy. Let's not forget vivax died after he was starting to think rsoul was mafia for knowing that it was almost lylo and not lynching me or templar for info on our alignments but now suddenly when it actually COULD be lylo he wants to lynch me. I'm also null/leaning scum but i'm his vote???? Where did gb go his confirmed mafia who would most definitely give more info to my alignment, where did sl go his scummy read??? Why does he ignore my case on hts/templar/oats and just says i've been doing absolutely nothing this game????
Not to mention he adds ANOTHER PERSON to his potential list lynch. Fecalfeast, who he questions a green check on for a very long time and then says he'll base his read on posts alone but then completely abandons that at all and hasn't mentioned ff since then.
Hint: he's mafia and now pushing a mislynch on someone that thread sentiment, from the people I think are town, want to push in lylo for the easy mislynch and win.
His scum reads are: gb, me, sl, ff, oats, potentially xata............ -.- as many as he possibly can push tbh - also shuts down my read and sl's push on HTS based on no analysis other than a simple passing by comment
On December 20 2014 22:52 Oatsmaster wrote: slam is super useless man.
Way more useful than the standard I'm used to, Slam is doing well this game and I don't get the feeling he simply piles up on mislynches. Quite the opposite for you. Wasted votes, bad thread overview, weird scumreads, including me. Low thread presence.
But that wagon on tubesock must have been fueled by all the scummers and if it wasn't town deserves to lose. Killing either Templar or HF would have told us a fuckton about the D2 votecount (for example, if Templar flipped town we would know that no scum was on HF and he's thus scum, if Templar was scum we'd have known that HF most likely is town) and instead an IC gets lynched that gives us no information at all.
lynch this mofo for pushing any mislynch he possibly can in what I now assume to actually be lylo
Dude claimed joyful child in the most honest way possible day 1 and the presents talk he had regarding his joyful child claim could only come from town imo. Has pushed me the entirety of the game since and not much else, probably why mafia decided to leave him alive.
So much present wifom though but town read still, wish he wouldn't hate me so much especially after I tried to tell him that ritoky was mafia all of day 2 and he just shut me down
Starting to forget he existed, his reads jump all over the place. Honestly a giant headache to read and he could be mafia and I could be wrong on one of the people but I just don't really care. I like that he wanted to lynch templar and he thought I was town etc etc, he looked pretty honest but today he has completely regressed and has decided to lynch me for some reason???
On December 18 2014 22:19 Holyflare wrote: The_Templar
On December 15 2014 22:23 Holyflare wrote: Ok well I read templar and I'm really not enthused. He spent all of day 2 not particularly doing anything (i also noticed he said he liked kelsier but also gave the caveat that he hadn't really read the thread at all) and gave no input into literally any of the wagons at all. He was so heavily focused on Tubesock and all of his posts but never really with anything else at all. For someone who read the thread he just jumped onto my wagon with ease based on not even gb's case but a small post gb made.
If he hasn't been reading the thread he shouldn't know whether any of the case is true or not and if he did read the thread he'd know it wasn't. He also never bothered to read me at all, never bothered to even check anything about anyone but instead only attacked tubesock for voting on mafia instead of his main read which is so fucking irrelevant when the lynch was between me/ff/kelsier that i find it hard to believe he even cares who he is voting as long as it isn't kelsier.
It's really scummy that he has no real thoughts of his own and was quite happy to sheep onto a mislynch with no real work behind anything other than going after tube.
Tubesock, you crazy. I said that reading me as town after those santa fluff posts was bad unless you had reasoning. I saw NB was worse than Kelsier so I switched to her.
It's also super outrageous that templar says this and then the post he sheeped gb on and agreed with to vote me was saying that i had no reason to be on nb
His filter is also littered with useless comments like when froggy returns with a list post he just ignored any of the content in it and instead just asked an irrelevant "what do you think about x" question
This dude is super scummy.
Now that we know kelsier flipped mafia, adding to this case are things like his initial rng located here:
Now, people that post rng post it in order to stick with it either in a joking way and get discussion going or in a serious manner and stick to it like glue because they are retarded (bh). Templar, after rnging it in the most suspicious way possible (not doing the division mechanics in any pre-determined way) picks out kelsier. Now, in my opinion kelsier had done crazy suspicious things like calling people town based on no meta to counter the read and also calling bats town after bats read has been proven false (as I pointed out and trfel copied for his ultimate case to lynch mafia), yet, as I was pushing ninjabunnies at the time over that read templar returned with the fluffiest post of all time:
Going back, Kelsier had led a noble-looking life for some time. As a devout Starcraft fan, he had followed many tournaments in 2013, even helping cover them through live reports. Santa knew many children that were overjoyed by that, as Kelsier had lifted immense pressure off of a few of them. Even recently, he still watched and waxed eloquent about the game, and could be considered passionate by many peoples' standards.
What had Kelsier really done wrong?
##Unvote
He never mentions ANY actual in game content about ANYONE other than they are lurkers/using posts badly:
After literally a wealth of information and posts on the 3 subjects, kelsier/bunnies and froggy he instead decides to say absolutely nothing about any of them. Kelsier isn't mentioned for content at all, froggy is mentioned for being a hypocrite with no opinion on the matter and then he unvotes kelsier to sheep onto the ninjabunnies wagon not because she was contradictory, had her top scum read or w/e in her scum list bla bla. Only because she had spent some posts talking about clothes and used 12 of 80 posts on this. You could argue this was just at the start of the posting spree on bunnies but he returned later and had an equally useless post about his top scum read:
On the sleigh ride, Santa had read this post very carefully. Ninjabunnies, along with many other people, had created her own list of who she expected to receive Christmas presents, and who would receive coal. What position was she in to determine this? Why should she do this? Santa supposed that it was a vital component of the argument taking place and that she was taking steps to ensure she was as or less likely to be placed on the naughty list compared to anyone else. Santa was not convinced, however. Why did she think these people were on the naughty list? Why had she bothered to defend the froggy one when she was going to label him Naughty for the same reason?
he STILL mentions none of the arguments but only scum reads her based on the fact she wasted some posts and posted a list????? His reads are SO surface level it's actually ridiculous. He's also busy pointing out people that are red claiming (is alakaslam a snowman? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=20#400 etc) His posts are specifically intended to look like contribution, by way of length, but are instead just multiple waves of nonsense that doesn't make anyone scum and he's refused to even take part in the discussions.
his list is also pretty weird. He's like totally ignored everyone that is posting about the bunnies lynch apart from vivax (mainly me) yet posting similar things about her and has this weird list that comes out of nowhere. I'm also not ignoring the fact that he called bunnies scum for having a list of reads but then made this list, I'm also not going to ignore the fact that he calls bunnies mafia for wasting posts but doesn't even mention slams spamming slew of posts as indicative at all. Double standards are crazy and scummy. He's ignored everything that made kelsier scummy in this respect too and actually bolded him based on...? Nobody will ever know at this point because all he talked about in regards to kelsier is that he liked to write about starcraft.
The rest of his day 1 was a LOT of afking and then one of those "catch up with absolutely everything in the game" posts, yet this catch up specifically said absolutely nothing and made no conclusions whatsoever it was comment on post by post. He maintained that ninjabunnies WAS scummy and being pushed for good reasons yet, later in the game said I fell off halfway through day 1 and had no reason to be on bunnies:
Tubesock, you crazy. I said that reading me as town after those santa fluff posts was bad unless you had reasoning. I saw NB was worse than Kelsier so I switched to her.
He then AGREED with gb's case which stated that I had no proper reason to be on ninjabunnies because the points didn't make her mafia and that he DISAGREED with the other half of this case because he didn't know where I said any of the stuff gb was mentioning (which later turns out gb pulled out of his arse).
On December 13 2014 05:59 The_Templar wrote:
On December 13 2014 05:46 GlowingBear wrote: Templar, thoughts on my brief case on HF.
On December 13 2014 05:28 GlowingBear wrote: HF doesn't look like he is pushin town agenda, but his own self agenda. This looks much more like mafia holyflare. He points out things that aren't really mafiaish and doesn't seem to try to further identify people's alignment. His pushes aren't for solving the game. They are mostly done just to push, just to make a lynch happen, maybe.
His backtracking on froggy is weird because he kept an absolute stance regarding bunnies, who I just say sounded more null than anything, and froggy is leaning scum.
HF once came to the thread and said that we should look for people outside the NB wagon, which is ridiculous. He wasn't talking about people who WASTED their votes. He was talking about people outside the main wagon. He also said me and ritoky looked the worst. You can see he is doing a timid push on ritoky, but it really doesn't sound like he is trying to figure out his alignment. Weirdly enough, the present claim from ritoky remained unquestioned by HF. MOREOVER, he did not make ANY attempt to figure out my alignment when he said I looked bad at that time.
He is scum.
Bolded: where did he say that? Otherwise I agree with this case. HF looks worse than he did halfway through day 1
He is literally saying he agrees with gb's case that I didn't have very good reasons to be on bunnies after he was also on bunnies (with like 0 reasons???) Yet then when it starts to pick up some more, he starts saying he agrees with everything GB is saying on me. (I don't have to reiterate that following this case is ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE if you had actually read it and fact checked it because I have destroyed this case multiple times and GB HAS STILL NOT SAID ANYTHING ABOUT MY DEFENCE 3 DAYS LATER -.- -.- -.- -.- -.-).
Currently, the naughty list is Ninjabunnies, GB, and LightningStrike from what I've seen.
It's also quite odd that if he sees that half the case is what he's guilty of and the other half doesn't make any sense and he was previously scum reading gb the night before that he'd just go full on sheep mode and say "great case".
He also has contradictory self meta whenever people call him out on it:
On December 13 2014 22:54 The_Templar wrote:
On December 13 2014 12:25 Vivax wrote: Tentative naughty list, it would be cool if we could lynch one of these baddies today:
- GB for this discrepancy in his case. The froggynoddy suspicion is entirely new and he doesn't look included among his scumspects. Rather fresh scumread stemming from that HF case, still have to look for more stuff thoroughly.
- TheTemplar for not being the ballsy, (scumhuntingly) talkative town templar who always gets townread D1 and mostly NKd N1. Gut based explanation, check for inconsistencies also pending here (yes I'm not going through as many filters thoroughly as I probably should yet, besides we can't lynch all of em today so I think it's fine)
- Fecalfeast for some of the stuff I found in his filter and already mentioned, plus he martyrs at various points, like during N1 and lately when he sort of expressed he doesn't care about the scumreads. But it's not the sort of righteous townie martyr when somebody is genuinely pissed off about people scumreading him or the sort, it's more like the "I don't care about the game"- martyr. Additionally he was in the focus of the night killed guys.
- Trfel for playing extremely subpar to his last game when he's capable of much much more. He doesn't want to stand in the spotlight in this game.
There's probably 5 scum since the formula for scummers is usually amount of players / 5. I don't know why people go on so much about tubesock claiming there's 5 scum being a scumslip. Scumslips are overrated in all the games I've played in save very few exceptions. Overall I find him tedious to read cause he has such a weird way of expressing himself, if I would give him a read it certainly wouldn't be cause of that.
Finding the likely 5th scum pending. Tempted to look into the direction of Oats, soultin, Kelsier for this one.
I will admit that I'm not playing like either my town or scum meta. When I'm mafia, I tend to lurk a lot and try to have reads on everyone to look like I'm trying to solve the game. Sorry I'm being inactive, stuff that happened during day 1 broke my spirit in general.
Here he says he would be crazy lurking normally as mafia and putting out reads. Yet, later, when pressure is building on him he changed it to:
On December 17 2014 07:33 The_Templar wrote:
On December 17 2014 07:17 froggynoddy wrote:
Templar, slam and perhaps Oats are scummy lurkers rather than simply AFK/ town lurkers for reasons previously disclosed.
I'm not a scummy lurker because, as scum, I will always: 1. Post as much as possible, at all hours of the day in order to make myself look active. 2. Post my 'thoughts' on every player, so that I'm not clearly ignoring someone. 3. Make ridiculously long posts to justify an opinion 4. Change my behavior as soon as someone mentions it is scummy.
Regarding Vivax, he seems to have a new list of scum reads every day and it's concerning me.
being really active, posting all the time, with long drawn out posts of justification. He seems to have multiple metas thought out for all the occasions!
There's also these random tidbits on throwing accusations on vivax:
On December 17 2014 00:44 The_Templar wrote: I can see Vivax and ritoky. Wanna explain the other two?
On December 18 2014 18:11 The_Templar wrote:
On December 18 2014 18:04 Vivax wrote: Templar ur scum with Oats HF, amirite?
There's this part in ritoky's filter where he calls you out on the fluffy posts, and it sounds entirely different from how he handles his next suspect, plus his next suspect ends up among his scumreads and you don't. Plus there's one point where he questions an OWS townread but not a townread on you.
Additionally you've been a N1 kill in every game I was in and have bled townie every time from the start.
Sorry broski but this is ggnore.
I'm pretty sure you did exactly the same thing.
On December 14 2014 15:07 Vivax wrote: Also Templar is mafia.
Like super mafia.
This post was followed by nearly 0 mention of me, for about 48-60 hours I believe. The only difference is that you quietly listed me on your scum list about 24 hours ago.
after saying absolutely nothing about him all game, sheeping his read on xatalos day 1 and vivax having the supposedly same reads as him because they both wanted to lynch me forever. It just looks like he's throwing suspicion everywhere he can.
Then you can just read the above quoted previous case I made in regards to him not giving a shit about who is lynched ever and instead pressuring tubesock EVEN THOUGH HE SAID HE COULDN'T GET HIM LYNCHED. How futile is that?
On December 14 2014 06:54 The_Templar wrote:
On December 14 2014 06:53 Tubesock wrote:
On December 14 2014 06:52 The_Templar wrote:
On December 14 2014 06:49 Tubesock wrote: Templar, you have been on me since the beginning of day 2. AND JUST NOW YOU VOTE OFF ME WHEN I SPAM AND DROP HUGE READS???
Why are you so concerned about this when half the people in this game saw huge walls of text and immediately town read you? You are still mafia in my eyes, don't worry.
Then vote me.
I'd rather actually be able to lynch a mafia.
Where has this tube thing gone by the way?
On December 18 2014 17:50 The_Templar wrote: ##Vote: HolyFlare
Oh yeh, sheeping dat thread sentiment onto a town lynch again even though there's literally nothing he's said about me, spread suspicion onto vivax for after my flip and gb's case has been dissolved. There's no reason to be on me other than to blend and obtain another mislynch. (They only need 2 to win btw)
The Meta - ignore this section if you're a twat face
There is pretty little to go on in terms of meta in the database for templar, yet, just looking at the differences between the games, the amount of effort going into his mafia game is far more than here. Yet, so is his town game. This is congruent with what he is saying part way through the game at least. However, there's a difference in his posting styles. As town you see posts like these ones on page 4:
he seems like he's chasing up his reads, finding inconsistencies in people's posting and making sure people know it. It's not the matter of appearing to have a read on everyone, it looks like he's trying to get people to notice things that make people mafia.
You see things where he is posting reads like "i agree with this", "your posts are pretty null" and yes, you can say he has long posts as mafia too for instance here:
that look the same but when you read the actual content he isn't finding the inconsistencies within the people's posts he's instead going very surface level and just saying that he disagrees with things and that this is how they'd act in video mafia etc etc. There's no real game logic involved.
Now when you tie his meta together with this game you can see the same things. I stated earlier that all his reads were "surface level", they weren't congruent with his original thoughts. He doesn't read things properly or even bother to CHECK whether there are inconsistencies at all. You can literally see this where he disagrees with half of gb's case on me (and agrees with something that he is far more guilty of) but never follows up to see whether there was an inconsistency with what gb was saying or not, especially as he scum read GB the last day and town read me. In fact other people were left to do this and he didn't give a shit and went after tube who is no longer anywhere in his reads at all.
##vote the_templar
more to come, eventually....
Since the lynch switched off of him he has sat in the position with the most information in the game so far yet has provided absolutely no insight into what happened whatsoever, has processed nothing to do with the game. Solely said "why are people voting me" and then left after saying he didn't know what he was talking about. No idea how anyone can town read this guy whatsoever.
Just going to come out and say I sent the present to this guy, this guy sent it to fecalfeast. If mafia fake claimed vigi which apparently fecal is claiming they did then why on earth would mafia ever willingly send that information out into other peoples hands? I don't scum read fecal and I don't think it was a fake claim. Xata has also been pushing good points in regards to defending me because he knew I sent the present to him and was most likely town. Liked his defences from pushes all game. Has been a bit passive this game but the present things outweighs everything imo (unless ff and xata are mafia together but doubt it really)
Despite the annoyance he's up to date with the thread, didn't do his usual mafia crap of being behind and commenting on absolutely everything. Claimed vet all day 1. I can see him believing that his tone read is right on me and arguably has the only argument for me being mafia in this entire thread (despite it being wrong). Pretty confident he's town.
Very sure he was a green check despite any of rsoul's attempts to state otherwise. Trfel made no comment on anything individual that fecal had done the entire game but adamently town read him. Despite this, fecals play has been pretty underwhelming but the way he was handling the present claims etc seemed pretty towny (pretending to pass it away etc). Don't like that he's trolling this game with who to vote for and it's also actually kind of weird that he was trolling at the deadline between me and gb on who would be more angry and then got all serious and declared a switch to tube??
conclusion: lazy read of being town but lazyness prevails from actually reading him properly
fuck you for making me actually put effort into this game agree with towny motivations that vivax stated against rsouls case somewhat biased because of rsoul been wrong all game so probably actually town case on me wasn't actually awful cz he did research and pushed a prolific town player over random easy mislynches has lied about things though but is dumb so can see that happening doing research into players near lylo (xata)
Section 2 - The Conclusions
Likely Mafia Team
Rsoultin The_Templar Oats Half the Sky
Likely Towny People
Xata Lian SL GB LS
Undecided
Slam (probably should go to towny people) Fecalfeast (probably should do the same - need to read more)
Guess who was in town in that list as scum? rsoultin, The Templar, and HTS herself who now currently hosting this game for us to play Mafia. A couple posts later in that game he showed a very similar attitude to this game when it came to Onegu:
On December 23 2014 05:44 Holyflare wrote: yeh i don't think i've ever put that much effort into a game at potential lylo so anyone that ever thinks i'm mafia
#getfuckingrekt
He also mafia sided hard in Student VIII he actually led the lynch there to Town Damdred that game and others in LYLO there. GET OFF ONEGU AND GO TO HF NYDUS AND RUX IDC WHAT YOU THINK OF ONEGU YOU LYNCH HF NOW!
My point of your large post was to counteract that arguement that you only do large posts as town. Also the Guardians game Toad was a claimed Vig counter claiming Vivax ofc you would side with him there.
On July 04 2015 05:40 Damdred wrote: It lines up because you clearly didn't believe GB when he claimed but you never pushed him when I originally questioned you about the switch you said you wouldn't lynch a claimed blue etc.
Now I will consider a switch to ruxor since I know I'm not scum the last one has to be ruxxor to me. It makes the most sense and all his posts read so angry.
like it makes me feel a little better lynching you hf that you are still hedging a little and just going with ruxxor while still saying he's suspicious but never really talking about him just concluding that ok scum.
Pretty much what Damdred said about GB since he said green checked Mig and since we saw Mig flipped scum ofc you had a reason not to believe his claim so ofc you didn't NK him and instead go after other targets who were medic dodges who also happen to scum read some of your team.
On July 04 2015 06:10 Holyflare wrote: read my big post ls, i outline things that i think
Ya if you town you did get pocketed for the stupid url thing Shockeyy did about GB and yes Mig was very scummy for his switch yet was shocked about the switch from Shockeyy. Damdred play been weird this game but again I had seen Damdred play bad as town before.
Well let's shannie to rux but we need someone from the Onegu wagon to rux before we switch because if I switch HF will have 2 votes on him and so will Onegu therefore we can make the switch possible just us 3 here Damdred, and HF.
On July 04 2015 06:12 Holyflare wrote: it's onegu or me and only onegu ends in the game continuing
If he's town it ends the game too? Also we can shannie Damdred too if you want but we need a total of 4 votes on Damdred.
i don't want to shenanigan onto damdred, if i wanted to do that i would have done that yesterday when fidei told everyone to switch to damdred and i shut it down
i want to vote onegu who i am pretty sure is mafia and i've made plenty of cases for being mafia on
damdred can have another day to answer my questions and let me evaluate ruxxar because honestly i haven't had the time to look into them properly
damdred stop using work as an excuse for not doing anything when i also work and you're criticising me for not doing things
Why not lynch him then if you think he's scum? I think Onegu is town and not going to lynch him this game.
On July 04 2015 06:26 Damdred wrote: Ok it's game over now ls, if hf and rux are scum they have,majority on oneg and won't ever switch. So we lost if oneg is town
On June 30 2015 18:22 Fidei86 wrote: Onegu I think Ruxx is town, because I had *exactly* the same reaction to you in HG (you're an easy mislynch, but I want to lynch you anyway). And I was town in that game. Not the most waterproof logic ever, but there it is.
Anyway, everyone needs to vote for HF. If he's unlucky town, we can all put it down to experience. But I'm concerned about the people deflecting off HF. I think Damdred is a strong scum at this point for trying to deflect off (and also for playing this game utterly differently from HG). The third is up in the air, but I don't think it's LS or Ruxx.
I dont think HF is the lynch today. If HF is town scum have some big balls to keep him around for 2 more days. If he is scum there are easier scum to catch. Also in a game this big it is likely that there is a miller with the cop and since we havent had one flip yet the likely hood of him being miller is quite high. If HF is alive in 2-1 lylo we lynch him so fast. But until then I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
On July 01 2015 02:49 Fidei86 wrote: Onegu played exactly the same way as this in HG and he was town then too.
no he plays like that every game and you don't really know what makes the difference between town onegu or mafia onegu
Stop being bad. Lynch RuXxar or Shockky today. I am playing now so suck it. Also why does scum onegu not push you today?
Like HF can never read me. Since we were in newbies together.
@RuXxar Why do I need to defend myself at this point we are still 4 hours from lynch and I am not dieing. And like your only reason for scum reading me is I am not doing anything... Well guess what I am now so your arguement is void.
Damdred is being dumb/mafia because he knows for a fact I am willing to vote with my tunneled scum read as town.
Also ruXxar the point about you making people look worse, you did it with VA and me right as you came in the game.
Shockky because onegu rule. And also knowing my meta and thinking this is my scum play.
says i'm town and then says i can never read him, he then says he would push me if i was mafia
after everyone starts saying i am mafia he decides to do this:
then asks his all game scum read to vote for the easiest push on me
he also said if he was mafia he would be pushing me and he DID do that
his scum read on shockeyy was totally faked "he played with me as mafia and should know better" but he didn't respond when shockeyy said the same thing back to him, just called him mafia
he also didn't vote shockeyy until right at the last second
I think I was just a policy scumread for him so he was willing to talk to me about who to vote which I didn't change my vote from Shockeyy and actually was the first person to vote Shockeyy the day he got lynched.
On June 30 2015 18:22 Fidei86 wrote: Onegu I think Ruxx is town, because I had *exactly* the same reaction to you in HG (you're an easy mislynch, but I want to lynch you anyway). And I was town in that game. Not the most waterproof logic ever, but there it is.
Anyway, everyone needs to vote for HF. If he's unlucky town, we can all put it down to experience. But I'm concerned about the people deflecting off HF. I think Damdred is a strong scum at this point for trying to deflect off (and also for playing this game utterly differently from HG). The third is up in the air, but I don't think it's LS or Ruxx.
I dont think HF is the lynch today. If HF is town scum have some big balls to keep him around for 2 more days. If he is scum there are easier scum to catch. Also in a game this big it is likely that there is a miller with the cop and since we havent had one flip yet the likely hood of him being miller is quite high. If HF is alive in 2-1 lylo we lynch him so fast. But until then I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
On July 01 2015 03:02 Onegu wrote:
On July 01 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote:
On July 01 2015 02:49 Fidei86 wrote: Onegu played exactly the same way as this in HG and he was town then too.
no he plays like that every game and you don't really know what makes the difference between town onegu or mafia onegu
Stop being bad. Lynch RuXxar or Shockky today. I am playing now so suck it. Also why does scum onegu not push you today?
Like HF can never read me. Since we were in newbies together.
@RuXxar Why do I need to defend myself at this point we are still 4 hours from lynch and I am not dieing. And like your only reason for scum reading me is I am not doing anything... Well guess what I am now so your arguement is void.
Damdred is being dumb/mafia because he knows for a fact I am willing to vote with my tunneled scum read as town.
Also ruXxar the point about you making people look worse, you did it with VA and me right as you came in the game.
Shockky because onegu rule. And also knowing my meta and thinking this is my scum play.
says i'm town and then says i can never read him, he then says he would push me if i was mafia
after everyone starts saying i am mafia he decides to do this:
On July 01 2015 05:32 Onegu wrote: Nope I have it for real this time. HF ruXxar Shockky
On July 01 2015 05:32 Onegu wrote: ##Unvote
##Vote HF
He isnt this bad...
does that look like someone who has called you scum the entirety of the game and has tunneled you and has scum read you for absolutely everything?
On July 01 2015 05:56 Onegu wrote: LS VOTE HF
then asks his all game scum read to vote for the easiest push on me
he also said if he was mafia he would be pushing me and he DID do that
his scum read on shockeyy was totally faked "he played with me as mafia and should know better" but he didn't respond when shockeyy said the same thing back to him, just called him mafia
he also didn't vote shockeyy until right at the last second
I think I was just a policy scumread for him so he was willing to talk to me about who to vote which I didn't change my vote from Shockeyy and actually was the first person to vote Shockeyy the day he got lynched.
On June 23 2015 15:19 Onegu wrote: Am I the only one seeing LS TMI
Why are you even discussing this? It's seems like you're trying awfully hard to deflect from what GB is saying. Let's focus on which mafia to lynch today.
Because TMI is TMI, green check is irrelevant if LS knows there is a framer in game...
Disagree because if there was a framer, I don't think RS would be the frame. She was not being scumread by GB so mafia has no reason to think GB would check RS. LS would already know the frame target no?
Thats not the TMI. The TMI is that there is a framer in the game. Yes Rsoul most likely not the frame target. But I just dont see a townie jumping straight to there has to be a framer. Like Rsoul saying there is a framer is fine because she knows her alignment LS shouldnt know Rsouls alignment. Yet he goes straight to there is a framer
On June 28 2015 01:19 Onegu wrote: So I am now thinking HF may actually be town and High chance that LS is scum here.
That post where he says HF has to be scum is just so random. The one where he says he was framed because he is miller which means HF has to be scum. Like how does town think of that. That is just one more post that is TMI. TBF HF wasnt killed in GoT mafia until the night before 2v1 lylo. Yes he should be dead but its not impossible for him to be alive as town here.
On June 22 2015 03:07 Onegu wrote: Like how LS asks someone who doesnt know me to check my filter and give his thoughts when everyone who has never played with would scum read me... LS know this. Also RuXxar is like trying to make people look better or worse than what they actually are.
On June 23 2015 13:11 Onegu wrote: So like I really think LS is scum. Scum knew if a cop is in the game they would check him because his claim and unclaim. So scum used a frame on him. He posts he knows there is a framer
It was because Onegu just wanted to punish me for claiming blue and tried to lynch me because of it. But after a while he finally decided to play to win and got rid of his scum read on me.
On July 04 2015 06:44 Holyflare wrote: you know how he can scum read you for "TMI" and other things like that? because he either knows i was framed hence why he scum reads you for "knowing" there is a framer in the game or he knows i'm town and you would look bad when i flipped town and he's throwing shit at you
Dude I prob got framed and got green checked as a Miller for all I know honestly.
On July 04 2015 06:06 LightningStrike wrote: I willing to shannie to rux hf if you can convince two more people to do it with me.
i'm thinking damdred is mafia
On July 04 2015 04:54 Holyflare wrote:
On July 03 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote: At the same time what I said before about hf pushing the alternative wagon of oneg with shockey doesn't seem like something scum hf would do.
Also refusing to switch to me when the vote was like 5-3-1 fid could of switched to me and things could of happened. So doesn't make sense not going doe the win there either.
He did push mig a bit to which is a little non indicative for him.
Like it doesn't make sense for someone trying to win the game with a red check,around his neck..
On July 03 2015 08:58 Damdred wrote: I'm just running off at the mouth and putting whatever I think out there.
D1 HF Pushes a lynch on box. This is alignment null in a void, he then changed his mind when he thinks,he sees a better lynch in gb. This is a plus I think for him and at this point makes me think that it's a bit towny. I don't see much,mafia motivation to be so active and push 2 town wagons.
Meta wise I think as scum hf is a bit lazier when there's no cred to gain and it's two town up. This is partially bad meta and is mostly from experiences with him.
D2 his switch off gb and into tomato after not,believing gbs claim is still a bit strange to me. And I think it's a pretty big red flag to,an extent.
D3 is not alignment indicative as he was voting to save his own life.
D5- makes me lean town this day, no idea why scum hf would do this. Is a bit wifom,but goes for 0 cred so unless we have a tripple bus going on which isn't out of,the question it makes me think,he's more town.
Today has a been a bit lackluster.
My gut to some of,these facts coupled with a framer flip and a few other things make,me want to lean town but he makes me scared as he'll.
On July 04 2015 02:40 Damdred wrote: Ok so my vote is place holder so don't freak out hf. I will be here for deadline and most of today, I'm still not convinced your scum totally.
I feel much worse about rux a bit honestly, every post he makes just feels off to me and like he's trying to discredit a bit to an extent idk I need to think about if but if one of you and oneg aren't scum o kinda think it gas to be rux here
explain how these all align please, it just looks like you're following ls to push my mislynch atm
On July 04 2015 05:40 Holyflare wrote: damdred why are you afking your vote on me after saying everything i did in the game and the lynch was towny? it's getting super close to deadline and you aren't doing anything but afking on town
On July 04 2015 05:43 Holyflare wrote:
On July 04 2015 05:40 Damdred wrote: It lines up because you clearly didn't believe GB when he claimed but you never pushed him when I originally questioned you about the switch you said you wouldn't lynch a claimed blue etc.
Now I will consider a switch to ruxor since I know I'm not scum the last one has to be ruxxor to me. It makes the most sense and all his posts read so angry.
like it makes me feel a little better lynching you hf that you are still hedging a little and just going with ruxxor while still saying he's suspicious but never really talking about him just concluding that ok scum.
On June 22 2015 06:41 Holyflare wrote:
On June 22 2015 06:38 Damdred wrote: Lohengramm (8): Mig, GlowingBear, Damdred, VayneAuthority, rsoultin, ruXxar, Fidei86, Holyflare
HF why did you switch to yam when you are so sure of gb and wanted to fight it the whole way?
Rsoultin how sure are you on Fidei at this point still?
Are you actually kidding me? He's an un cc'd blue and things that made him fucking dumb today like defending mig's switch and calling me bad make more sense with a green check. Even if he's stupid.
not only did i already explain what i thought in the response to you but i outlined my thought process with regards to gb the day i wanted myself lynched repeatedly, you should read it instead of leaving it open like i never explained it and it was scummy
On July 04 2015 05:47 Holyflare wrote: there is a very minimal chance that town damdred leaves the thread having all of those reasons for town reading me and then returning to see me putting in maximum effort and giving reads and making a town case explaining all my thoughts then says he feels better about lynching me ^^
don't buy it at all
i also want everyone to read this post, read it all, after i flip town and the game is over i want you to physically type in the thread:
I am sorry Holyflare. I have read this post and saw all the weird stuff that Damdred was doing and all of the towny posts you made but I still voted you anyway because an afk mafia Onegu was saying you were mafia.
I want you to promise to write that to me in 23 minutes.
get ready to do this LS
Well if you are town and Onegu is town we dun goofed.
On July 04 2015 07:03 Damdred wrote: Smh I know I played like shot but rux was so obvious at the end. And you had it ls but you were a foolish person they were totally ignoring each other on each other's top three but no paranoia that they were voting !,fortown
On July 04 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote: BTW I will quit playing mafia for at least a month since I lost us this game.
lol don't, how will that help?
I feeling terrible for this lost. It was all my fault. I need time to think.
You won't need a month. Next time just do not indirectly lynch your townread for no reason in the end. I don't know what you even tried to achieve by voting damdred.
On July 04 2015 07:06 Holyflare wrote: don't commit sudoku dude
I not I actually talked to Onegu in pms and appologized to him and told him it was both me and his fault for the loss. Me because of my vote switch and him because he didn't get townread by the afk votes on him :|
On July 04 2015 07:06 Holyflare wrote: don't commit sudoku dude
I not I actually talked to Onegu in pms and appologized to him and told him it was both me and his fault for the loss. Me because of my vote switch and him because he didn't get townread by the afk votes on him :|
On July 04 2015 07:24 Damdred wrote: Meta is great, I know hf should of been lynched when gb claimed the red check. Or the next day but I ended up,not sucking and put,my vote down,before hf got to get his vote on oneg.
I just don't get what the point was of voting me there honestly, if hf is scum,they auto win. If I'm scum and oneg isn't scum still wins.
I just blah, ok not really upset at you ls, just the game,solved itself with . how People were acting towards each other meh
I seeing if I can get banned for how bad I played this game had pm'd the mods concerning thatI felt like Onegu and ritoky was playing against their win conditions before I blue claimed.
On July 04 2015 07:24 Damdred wrote: Meta is great, I know hf should of been lynched when gb claimed the red check. Or the next day but I ended up,not sucking and put,my vote down,before hf got to get his vote on oneg.
I just don't get what the point was of voting me there honestly, if hf is scum,they auto win. If I'm scum and oneg isn't scum still wins.
I just blah, ok not really upset at you ls, just the game,solved itself with . how People were acting towards each other meh
I seeing if I can get banned for how bad I played this game had pm'd the mods concerning thatI felt like Onegu and ritoky was playing against their win conditions before I blue claimed.
Why would you do that rit wasn't over the line oneg was himself shrug. So you threw the game to get banned instead of winning?
No I didn't threw the game to get banned. I was just being a idiot at the end.
On July 04 2015 07:33 ruXxar wrote: I know how much it hurts to lose at lylo. I lost my last game at MYLO and it felt really bad even if the scum played really well. I just took it as a learning experience and realize i became stronger and more experienced after!
Man if you were town I would be very pissed at you for not trusting my meta read on Onegu.
On July 04 2015 07:38 ruXxar wrote: That said, I still think onegu looked scummiest in the game :p.
I didn't make up any of my reads. The most fake read I made up was probably against damdred. The case I made on him was pretty much all I could scrape together, and I didn't even think it was very convincing :p
Should trust me on Onegu if I think he's town lol.
On July 04 2015 08:13 wherebugsgo wrote: sorry to those who didn't know why I was abruptly replaced, I had a family emergency. I wish I could have kept playing. Everything is good now though.
On July 04 2015 08:42 Damdred wrote: Nope my rs gets the blame you have to play with your own guilt rather than a misplaced anger from another to goad you, when a games over its done people make mistakes. I'm not going to put blame on anyone but Tina. Who has to,hard carry me
On July 04 2015 08:42 Damdred wrote: Nope my rs gets the blame you have to play with your own guilt rather than a misplaced anger from another to goad you, when a games over its done people make mistakes. I'm not going to put blame on anyone but Tina. Who has to,hard carry me
She disagrees.
I'm telling you the truth here, either you can be salty and not have fun over a dumb mistake which a lot have done (mistakes that is). Or you can let it go and have fun next game and do the right thing.
Like you were suck reading hf, rux and myself. The only people,who were active were me rux and hf. Obviously if I'm scum I,can't vote myself,anyway and if I'm town they won't,move anyway. You were sure oneg was town, but nhm wasn't here to give you a majority, next time just be patient and not hammer your town read shrug.
Oh I mean she disagreed with you blaming her lol. Ya I played LYLO bad T_T
On July 04 2015 09:13 Blazinghand wrote: I take full responsibility for the town defeat this game. It was my personal failure, and although we all made mistakes, the only crippling unrecoverable one was the one made by me. I will do better next time.
On July 04 2015 08:08 Fidei86 wrote: He was rude and obnoxious to me for about 10 pages of filter.
you know he was mafia right and won the game?
I think you need to grow a thicker skin and stop complaining about game length and people being rude.
The early spam was a key reason why town lost.
you wonder why boxerfred got lynched d1, inactivity and not posting why did yamato get lynched d2, inactivity and not posting and replacing in for someone who wasn't playing. why did people town read me? activity why did hf survive , because he played the game well and was active. same with bugs/ruxxar. why did onegu get mislynched and lose the game, because he has a 16 page filter after 5 days of playing, active players had that many after n1. why was damdred suspicous and help cause the downfalll..13 pages.
so saying "early game spam" was a key reason just isn't the case. it's lazy town and active mafia that lost the game.
Why Onegu got lynched: I was a idiot at LYLO not because of Onegu's short filter.
On July 04 2015 08:08 Fidei86 wrote: He was rude and obnoxious to me for about 10 pages of filter.
you know he was mafia right and won the game?
I think you need to grow a thicker skin and stop complaining about game length and people being rude.
The early spam was a key reason why town lost.
On July 04 2015 19:38 Fidei86 wrote:
On July 04 2015 17:54 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 04 2015 08:08 Fidei86 wrote: He was rude and obnoxious to me for about 10 pages of filter.
you know he was mafia right and won the game?
I think you need to grow a thicker skin and stop complaining about game length and people being rude.
The early spam was a key reason why town lost.
you wonder why boxerfred got lynched d1, inactivity and not posting why did yamato get lynched d2, inactivity and not posting and replacing in for someone who wasn't playing. why did people town read me? activity why did hf survive , because he played the game well and was active. same with bugs/ruxxar. why did onegu get mislynched and lose the game, because he has a 16 page filter after 5 days of playing, active players had that many after n1. why was damdred suspicous and help cause the downfalll..13 pages.
so saying "early game spam" was a key reason just isn't the case. it's lazy town and active mafia that lost the game.
Why Onegu got lynched: I was a idiot at LYLO not because of Onegu's short filter.
Did you vote for Onegu? No. So you were not the only reason Onegu got lynched.
We would had lynched HF if I had kept my vote on HF though.