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On June 19 2015 02:53 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 02:42 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 02:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Sheesh. I should actually reason my opinions.
Bugs you're scum because last game you were very inclined to lynch lurkers or at least tried to put pressure in them.
You start doing that here (voting Mig). Then you completely forget the lurkers. Now I am proposing we should go against lurkers, and you are calling me scum for that, which makes no sense.
More than that, you said Mig was the only one you played together with, which means you have a good grasp of his gameplay. You started the game by voting him. He came back to the thread and I have no idea what you think of him. You didn't push him, you didn't try to work with him. You simply ignored him, which is very contradictory with your opening in this game.
Also, you're one to overestimate meta. You're calling me scum but you didn't even try to read my previous games. I said once: "I do this since Avogadro". I would expect you to go take a look at least into that game. You're not doing it. For someone that says that IDENTITY plays a big part in your reads, you're not caring at all for mine before calling me scum.
In other words, your discourse doesn't match your current gameplay. wat I didn't try to lynch lurkers last game. This is a complete lie. I DEFENDED stutters, but of course you would not choose to remember that because you are scum. also lol @ the meta shit, it takes a huge amount of time to read meta properly and I have been calling you scum for maybe two hours now. If you are really town you wouldn't even consider me scum this game given all that I have done, but of course you aren't seeing reason. Or maybe I'm just wrong and you are so terrible that you can't hold proper reads simply because you don't know what proper reads are-perhaps that's why you smurfed last game, because you are bad and everyone knows how terrible you are. However I don't think anyone with as many games as you can possibly be that bad to call me scum this game. Well I can be this bad. And I will lynch you anyway, because you suck
ooh, I'm so scared, scum GB has threatened to mislynch me!
btw nice bluff on the meta thing. It's a good thing I had it in my back pocket and made notes on posts like this:
On October 13 2014 00:51 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 13 2014 00:33 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 13 2014 00:26 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 13 2014 00:22 GlowingBear wrote:On October 13 2014 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i think you did is you gave yourself an out before even trying to push a read.
You did the same thing last game with me. You called the motivation behind my posting scum "or something that comes from town" (i don't remember the reasoning).
That is self-preservation before pushing a read and townies do not do that. If you think someone might be blue you shut the fuck up of it and try gathering more information about them in other ways. Not basically say "he is mafia OR THIS OTHER THING I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT!!!" Now you're misquoting me. I said he could be trying to look scum. It does not automatically implies he is blue. If you think that was so clear, why people started saying my read was bizarre or forcing me to explain it? If it's clear, why don't you shut up about it? If you think it was that clear, what do you think of people who forced me into talking about it? Because i joined the fucking game after you made your post about you thinking he is blue.... There is no reason to shut up about it any more. Vanilla townies never ever try to look like scum for any reason. rofl, what other explanation there is for your phrase than "blue"? You defended yourself and avoided the question. Because they think you are mafia as you did scummy thing. That would be my interpretation. Which is also why i am questioning DP about his read on you. They think I'm mafia knowing I have a blue tell and wants me to say who this blue tell is? Does this make sense to you? As you said, it was clear I had a blue tell. Why not questioning me solely on geript instead of forcing me into giving my blue read on DP? Why town would waste time with known fact and even help mafia blue hunting? I have no idea what you are trying to achieve with this so explain yourself. Ok. Explaining further. You're a town and you saw my post on DP. "Tried to look scum" sounded like I had a blue tell on DP. What would a townie do? 1) Force me into saying who I think is blue 2) Inquire me regarding my other scum read You agree with me it would be (2), or at least never (1), right? But people forced me into saying that I thought DP was blue. So: A) Either you're wrong on saying I was clearly hinting DP was blue or B) It was clear and scum tried to force me into saying I think DP is blue. Therefore, what do you make of people who forced me into giving my blue read on DP?
where you actually actively talk to people and reason out things that other people talk about when town, whereas in this game you do jack shit when you vote someone and don't bother giving the slightest indication that you are actually thinking about the game or attempting to solve it using the perspectives of the players you are targetting.
That's really apparent when you call people like Breshke and me scum, for example, while your vote is sitting nicely on the biggest wagon in the game.
Other interesting things from that game include this post:
On October 13 2014 02:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I had that kind of meta/gut feeling out of Haru last game (2p2 Werewolf)
I was town and I was right on him.
It doesn't mean much
I've been giving reads and explaining them the entire game. I don't think you guys have strong reasons to call me scum. I'm trying to understand what's happening in the game.
where your reaction to being called scum is vastly different from the one here. Instead of OMGUSing you are actually reasonable and you point out how you are attempting to understand what's happening and explaining things, whereas in this game you don't bother to explain anything despite claiming that collaboration is important and discussing reads with townies is important.
The best is this one:
On October 12 2014 07:27 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 07:20 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 12 2014 07:18 Damdred wrote:On October 12 2014 07:11 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 07:05 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 12 2014 07:01 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:On October 12 2014 06:50 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 06:40 DarthPunk wrote:
What the fuck is it with people whinging about try harding.
Firstly: This is not try harding.
Secondly: Why would you not try your best?
Makes no sense and annoys the shit out of me. Raising suspicions on someone because he thinks that a guy that only posted an entrance COULD be mafia, instead is thinking that the guy IS mafia, is try hard for me. It looks like scum try hard. Your vote on damdred was also bizarre. Damdred looks terrible for what reason, specifically? You say you don't have a is about his alignment yet but still votes on him because "you don't care?" Congratulations, you successfully recited what happened in the thread. Care to draw a conclusion? or provide some analysis? Damdred looks terrible because his posts were useless and made no positive contribution to the thread. Which is pretty damn obvious in my opinion. Conclusion: geript is mafia tryhard and you are suspicious of being mafia or trying to look as mafia could you rephrase this so that it makes sense this time? Geript: trying too hard at the start of the game, picking on little things. He is mafia DarthPunk: his vote on damdred is too scummy. He is either bad mafia (which I don't believe so, he is a legend  ) or he tried to look as mafia for some reason. Start ignoring me, I really believe this at the moment. But is picking on the little things when their is so little to go on (lolz) actually alignment indicative? I'm not so sure that it is, especially with geripts history with me, try to explain to me more why this is mafia trait and not bad/good early scum hunting? Not sure what you mean about DP, hes voted three people in this thread I think. Is throwing a vote around like that scummy for DP? In a vacuum vote-skipping is town-indicative...it shows a carelessness with regard to one's outward appearance and fearlessness of retribution in the form of OMGUS votes. The question is whether /you/ think it's scummy for DP or not. What do you think? Answering damdred: Damdy, the easiest thing for mafia to do is to come early in the thread and try to look contributive until someone townreads him. I did exactly what geript is doing in Mission. I'm more inclined to believe that mafia would be this tryhard at page 1 than town. Throwing votes is town trait. Throwing votes without reasoning, or even saying he doesn't care is scummy to me. But too scummy to be scum. As I said, I don't want to discuss this specific point anymore.
Throwing votes without reasoning is scummy, eh? If that's what you believe as town why are you throwing around votes without reasoning in this game?
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On June 19 2015 02:55 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 02:45 wherebugsgo wrote:also the thing on Mig is another lie. I didn't want to disclose my read on Mig and I didn't really have an interest in discussing anything with him because there was already so much going on and I needed to catch up. I also didn't ignore him at all which is a huge red flag for GB that he is clearly not reading my posts. Proof in point here: On June 18 2015 23:24 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 23:13 rsoultin wrote:
God im scattered today sorry.
Also read on mig wbg since you know him better and wanted him to post. I'm a sucker for logic. Can he post like this as scum? Mig is pretty terrible as scum and a couple of his posts are actually pretty decent. They appear to be indicative that he is actually reading, which is a good sign. Mig is one of those players where if it looks like he is not reading he's probably scum. Even though he doesn't post much, as town he tends to make sense whereas when he is scum his reads aren't generally logically sensible. For example he pointed out that GB had no proper scum reads 55 pages in which is actually a pretty astute and subtle point. Like, sure, GB called some people scum but at no point in the game did he actually do anything about them-most of the time he's fishing for sentiment (e.g. asking me about VA) and in the LS case he was like "ok I'm gonna vote him too" and then he backed off at resistance from me. The tone and attitude in this post: On June 18 2015 08:37 Mig wrote:
Gbs plan is to try and look scummy, contribute nothing and then if you discuss anyone besides him calls you suspicious. Solid.
Do you actually believe any of my posts are coming from a mafia mindset Gb? Or are you just trying to paint me poorly since I actually questioned your posts. also made me feel much better about Mig because as I mentioned his mafia play is pretty shitty and this came off really strongly. I don't think scum Mig would make a post with this kind of bold response. here I responded to rsoultin's question on Mig. Saying that I've ignored him is wholly disingenuous and another reason GB is scum. LOL yeah, you ANSWERED a DIRECTED QUESTION. Congrats, you're totally not ignoring someone you SHOULD be interacting with WITHOUT being needed to being asked for. Argh, get out
Why the fuck would I comment on a town read when there is literally no reason for me to comment on town reads?
In what universe does this make any shred of sense?
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like, the whole idea of GB's that I need to apparently comment on every other player in the game while he says shit like we need to contribute to consolidate our reads and talk to each other while not doing it himself is so astoundingly hypocritical and scummy it's crazy
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yamato what do you make of GB's alignment this game?
am I completely tunneled on shit town GB or is the fact that his opinions and reads are terrible an indication he is scum this game again?
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Why are you townreading yamato?
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Will be around at least an hour before eod
So at that time i'll reengage hopefully with townies willing to attempt to be unbiased in catching me up on only the important points lol >< fight on this pg alone is hurting my head a little
Hasta luego
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On June 19 2015 03:06 GlowingBear wrote:
Why are you townreading yamato?
why are you making such assumptions?
Oh right, cause you're scum
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actually rsoultin, Mig, Breshke and HF I want to read your opinions on GB too. Maybe at least one of you will respond so I have something to work with. We have like 5 hours and I don't want to lynch either BF or LS today
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I here I just needed a break from talking to some brick walls this morning mainly in KSC who is just in a deeper tunnel then the English Chanel tunnel to France -_- Also GB did misrepresent Bugs on the fact that Bugs actually didn't push lurkers in our last game together he mainly pushed me and GB last game.
@Bugs do you think that GB is scum for misrepresenting you there or is it other stuff that makes you think he's scum?
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.:Case on Breshke:.
1) Town read on LS but willingness to lynch him
+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 07:54 Breshke wrote:WBG trying to sniff out the smurfs. It is like it's a holy crusade. I agree with GB that LS is town. Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o This post gives me good townie feelings On June 18 2015 18:38 Breshke wrote:
My Vote is on BF but it is very likely ill switch to LS.
Lohen you say the blueclaim comes from town ls more likely than mafia ls.
Why does town LS claim blue there
Out of spoiler because it is important:
On June 18 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote:
Also I really agree with bugs on the LS claim and also agree with rsoul that if he is doing it as scum his teammates have been telling him to do it which basically clear up an world of LS/KSC scum pair because he was the only one to pressure him hardcore i felt. Yay for associative reads.
Yet LS just claiming then not doing anything but defending himself with his blue claim feels really scummy. Can you do stuff man, if you are town I know you have it in you.
This WIFOM is very uncharacteristic and makes no sense IMO. Felt like he saw an opportunity to fake contribution with something that noone can rely upon.
2) Faint defense on me without actually giving thoughts on why my posts sounded townie/mafia
+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 08:15 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:07 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:03 Breshke wrote:
WBG is trying to hunt for who the good players are again and it doesn't necessarily make him mafia it just makes him big headed have you played with any of these players much? what do you think of LS's posts this game so far? Some but I wouldn't say I can judge who is good and who is bad nor would I really want to. I assume thats why you are asking me this question. I really liked his opening. I find it hard thinking that LS could make that first post as scum idk it just feels really genuine. Also the rest of his posts don't really seem forced which I think is one of the biggest giveaways for scum LS and is something that would be hard to change. Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:08 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:06 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 08:03 Breshke wrote:
WBG is trying to hunt for who the good players are again and it doesn't necessarily make him mafia it just makes him big headed How did you reach this conclusion? I'm not going to speak for him, but given that he played with me in the previous game while you were busy being scum, and he actually uses his head (unlike you) you should consider thinking a bit more like him and a little less like you Also relax with this. GB coached me a bunch when I first started, I honestly don't understand why you are acting like him since he was scum last game so any reasoning you thought was bad from him doesn't mean shit because he was scum. On June 17 2015 08:30 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 Breshke wrote:
Also relax with this. GB coached me a bunch when I first started, I honestly don't understand why you are acting like him since he was scum last game so any reasoning you thought was bad from him doesn't mean shit because he was scum.
nah I'm not sure GB gleaned anything useful about anyone's play from the last game given that he was scum if he is town this game he should probably consider that at the very least, given that it is his only exposure to my play SO you think GB should try meta read you off of one game? On June 17 2015 08:55 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:36 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 08:33 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:30 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 08:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 Breshke wrote:
Also relax with this. GB coached me a bunch when I first started, I honestly don't understand why you are acting like him since he was scum last game so any reasoning you thought was bad from him doesn't mean shit because he was scum.
nah I'm not sure GB gleaned anything useful about anyone's play from the last game given that he was scum if he is town this game he should probably consider that at the very least, given that it is his only exposure to my play SO you think GB should try meta read you off of one game? I would expect him to at least consider my last game, yes. Your question comes off as really leading though, there's not some sort of binary extreme between being incapable of reading someone and having to autoread them after one game. Not all players fall into that, although some tend to be very easily distinguishable. But I'm probably biased given that I think I am pretty easy to read as town. Yeah it was leading because I have a problem with how you consider yourself. I know you say you are a much better scum player than town player right? Yet you also think you are an easy townread which doesn't make sense if your scum play is better than your town play. Does it not mean people should be wary of you even if they are reading you town. I think I'm a better scum player than town but I would rate my town play like 2 on a scale of 1 to 10 and my scum play as a 5 I think it's fairly obvious when I am town because I personally put in far more effort when I am town. For example in the last game I must've read at least half a dozen of LS's games over the space of day 1 just to make sense of his posts. It's actually a point of frustration for me when the only serious lynches I've had to deal with were all as town because normally I take almost no suspicion at all when I am scum. I think I've been lynched twice as scum and both times I felt it was not really my fault and more a fault of my lazy teammates. Also people have said what you have said before and I welcome people to scrutinize my reads and my play. It'll help me get better at least, but I find it odd that most people call me town when I am scum and scum when I am town. hmm. I assumed your self rating of your scum play would be higher since in witch you said you were 90% sure you were better than me as scum. I guess this fits in with your other opinion that 99% of people on this forum are bad at playing scum. But moving on. If you think it is obvious that you are town because of the effort you put in how do you think GB would read you town when you havn't shown to be putting in this extra effort yet this game. Not that you havn't been putting in effort but I wouldn't say it compares yet to last game. This has a lot to do with being two hours in but still I don't follow how you think GB should have that read on you. This also isn't really going anywhere because I don't think it makes you scum I just think it shows that you want to call GB bad.
The greatest problem here is that he townread me very fast in our latest games but he doesn't hesitate to give me a town read here, which is weird. I'd expect a townie to be more paranoid.
3) Constantly white knighting without having any real pushes/reads other than null
+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 11:08 Breshke wrote:
WBG let me explain this for you.
Rsoul used to think she had a good read on LS because she caught him scum in her first game but then basically townread him almost every game after that. She was obviously wrong eventually and realized her read was either wrong or LS changed his play. She still gets those frequent townreads on LS so when she was reading LS town this game she was hesitant about it but then because many others were also reading him town she felt less bad about it.
Now explain if the above thing is scummy or not because i ceebs you and rsoul going at it because she explained it in an rsoul way and you reacted to it in a bugs way On June 17 2015 11:28 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, Bugs, I want first to actually form a read on you. And for that I need to know how you're approaching the game.
Opinions on other players, for example, help me with that.
I wouldn't lynch her day one solely for activity. So talking about her NOW is a waste of time.
And talking ABOUT you is also. But talking WITH YOU is important to me. I think we have much better targets.
This fight between you two actually feels very weird. Yes yes yes this. The fight isn't going to go anywhere either because I think you are both too stubborn and 20 posts later you are still going to be going on about the same thing. So let's move on and come back later if need be. On June 17 2015 11:40 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:06 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 10:58 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 10:45 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh, Bill Murray confirmed?
##Vote: Bill Murray GB pls no Was your list listed from like most scummy to least scummy? If not who do you think is most scummy? It wasn't, and I have a tie between Onegu and boxerfred right now. I think Onegu is a better lynch, actually I'm really wary of Kelsier now, btw. Why for kelsier? I think his attempt of rediscuss LS was actually an attempt to disrupt town ("let me raise suspicions on a guy I can raise suspicions so town doesn't actually make a good PoE list") Just how I felt. Of course I need other evidence, but it was enough to take him out of the town list I missed this but good point I kind of think your reason for scumming onegu is weak. I get that the way he worded the VT claim was awkward but I think thats townie if it is alignment indicative at all. I feel he would be more like careful of the post as scum.
To me, it sounds like a mafia trying to look contributive townie without actually having to work with pressuring people and solving the game.
4) Sudden easy townread on me and bugs even when bugs said he was better as scum and after playing a game where I was scum and got Breshke calling me basically confirmed town.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 13:46 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 13:15 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 13:11 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 12:58 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, trust the tone read rsoultin gives on damdred and me
I've been discussing games with her for a long while and he does that every time. And she does it correctly.
Like, I told her I was freezingfoot last game and she said: you're scum right? you don't feel like town gb
I trust her tone reads as genuine
What is rubbing me the wrong way is the shitfight she entered and the refusal to get off of it. I agree the shitfight is not helping town but I don't think it is alignment indicative. Even before they interacted i knew her and bugs would not get along no matter their alignment unless they were mafia together. That is like the only thing I got out of that shitfight the fact that they i think they can not be mafia together. But yeah I don't think you should judge them on the shitfight because it is jsut their personalities and yeah its boring as fuck but it is because they are both stubborn. They both seem likely town to me now another reason the shitfight is boring as hell. GB why are you sheeping HF? Wheres the townread come from you might have said but i missed it. What about each of their play outside of the shitfight gave you these town reads then? Bugs is very similar to last game and is acting exactly how i expect him too as town for example almost started going after nydus because he thought he was a smurf, continued to hunt for good players to try and get their opinions. I also liked the effort he out in when i asked him to dive damdred. Rsoul i wont count the most recent thing i said because that was after i posted that. I don't actually remember the reason I think it was a gut thing or because she was being difficult. On June 17 2015 16:09 Breshke wrote:I'm not very good at getting scumreads in games that move this fast I tend to focus too much on the moment and not the big picture of the game and dont go back and really read stuff so you are probably going to be dissapointed nydus I currently have three people I would lynch. boxerfred bill Murray shockey Boxer for his one post on a joke then leaving. Makes me think he isn't intrested in people allighnments Bill murray for HF's thing. I can see him confirming and then not being bothered to play it out if he rolled scum again after last game. and shockey because he disagrees with basically everyone on LS yet didn't seem to enquire with anyone about it. Which also makes me think he didn't really care about his read. All 3 of these are obviously very inactive which is probably a bad thing. I do however think GB and rsoultin are both really town. GB for his general play and how he has been treating bugs and how fluid his reads have been and rsoultin for how she claimed to get a read on me this game. I also still think LS is town for all earlier reasons and it doesn't change my read that he hasn't been around. Damdred is also in my town pile even though I havn't looked into him much at all but i trust rso's read and I like it even more because my other top town gb said to trust rso's read. I also like this post for ritoky Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 13:52 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 13:51 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 13:51 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 13:49 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 13:47 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 13:46 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 13:15 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 13:11 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 12:58 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, trust the tone read rsoultin gives on damdred and me
I've been discussing games with her for a long while and he does that every time. And she does it correctly.
Like, I told her I was freezingfoot last game and she said: you're scum right? you don't feel like town gb
I trust her tone reads as genuine
What is rubbing me the wrong way is the shitfight she entered and the refusal to get off of it. I agree the shitfight is not helping town but I don't think it is alignment indicative. Even before they interacted i knew her and bugs would not get along no matter their alignment unless they were mafia together. That is like the only thing I got out of that shitfight the fact that they i think they can not be mafia together. But yeah I don't think you should judge them on the shitfight because it is jsut their personalities and yeah its boring as fuck but it is because they are both stubborn. They both seem likely town to me now another reason the shitfight is boring as hell. GB why are you sheeping HF? Wheres the townread come from you might have said but i missed it. What about each of their play outside of the shitfight gave you these town reads then? Bugs is very similar to last game and is acting exactly how i expect him too as town for example almost started going after nydus because he thought he was a smurf, continued to hunt for good players to try and get their opinions. I also liked the effort he out in when i asked him to dive damdred. Rsoul i wont count the most recent thing i said because that was after i posted that. I don't actually remember the reason I think it was a gut thing or because she was being difficult. have you ever played with bugs when he was mafia? No. I understand the failures of the read but I don't care So you're saying you have town reads on them outside of their fighting and the reasons are: -incomplete meta read -i don't remember ?????? wat? Yeah that sums it up fairly well. content wise this is such trash mafia crap. but tone wise your defiance gives me a town chub. fuck you for sending mixed signals. Because I think it would have been so easy for him to shit on me there but he didn't.
Again, I've just played a game with him as scum and he was townreading me. I'd expect him to be more cautious if he is town.
Bugs is the same. Breshke accepted the idea that bugs can be better as scum than as town, but doesn't hesitate to give bugs a town read.
5) Having suspicions on Shockey but needing LS to convince him that Shockey is scum
+ Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 10:39 Breshke wrote:@Shockey I don't have a problem with you not having that much time to play but when you have a read that is the oppisite to the thread I find it not townie that when you are around you don't try to discuss this read and either work out if you are wrong or try and convince people they are wrong. Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 23:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Nah, people are talking about having lurkers post more and LS even said he wish I would post more. Either way, we still are on day 1, there still a lot of time to build a case and gather better reads. I'm not to worried about coming off as scum atm, cause when I lay the hammer, people will see how serious I am about winning for town.
When i first read this it felt really genuine but on re read "lay the hammer" is really awkward wording and feels forced. I don't agree with damdreds thing on shockey ebcause when shockey said "do you think this has any value" or whateve i don't think he was calling damdred scum more like is this useful to talk about. Would also still lynch BF because of the HF stuff. Although im fairly sure it is based off a misunderstanding but that doesn't really make me think it is not scummy because it shows that BF most likely went into it wanting to scum HF. I could be wrong tell me if I am but yeah so BF says that HF knows his own meta so can't use it to defend himself or whatever but this was never actually what happend. What actually happened was that rsoul said "this is your meta you arn't doing this" and then HF said "no this is actually my meta i am doing this". While still kind of using his meta in defense he wasn't the first to bring it up so he isn't saying he is town because he is following his meta he is saying rsouls accusation is bullshit. @BF can you tell me if what i wrote above changes your views on anything i get i didn't express it very well On June 18 2015 13:48 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 13:42 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 13:33 Breshke wrote:On June 18 2015 13:25 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote:On June 18 2015 13:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 12:34 Breshke wrote:On June 18 2015 11:26 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote:
Also I really agree with bugs on the LS claim and also agree with rsoul that if he is doing it as scum his teammates have been telling him to do it which basically clear up an world of LS/KSC scum pair because he was the only one to pressure him hardcore i felt. Yay for associative reads.
Yet LS just claiming then not doing anything but defending himself with his blue claim feels really scummy. Can you do stuff man, if you are town I know you have it in you. People been pressuring non stop what else was I suppose to do -_- Does repeating "im blue" do anything? They know you claimed. Talk about other stuff Ya want to lynch Shockeyy with me? I want you to convince me why I should lynch shockey TLDR Case on Shockeyy: 1. His list post was rather shitty in terms of reasons 2. He been making excuses for his poor play 3. Some of posts seemed forced I will to vote Boxerfred if Shockeyy doesn't appear to be the lynch today but I think Shockeyy is worse than Boxer atm. Could you quote the posts which you think seem forced. These: On June 17 2015 09:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:rsoultin - idk wtf they're posting atm KelsierSC - reminds me of bugs, a butthole, but a town butthole Bill Murray - idk ritoky - Channel 4 Choppa ShoCkeyy - Town Onegu - Misclaim to VT? We'll see, I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt. Holyflare - Opening/Only post claims town lol. Damdred + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum On June 17 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:25 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already. Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any  seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point. I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads. Kel is just a maybe town. I know I'm town obviously I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value. There are two types of people that play mafia 1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree. As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish. He's town to me at this juncture. So Damdred, which one is it? Is LS scum cause you're town, or is LS town and you're scum? Or are you both town or scum? Also can you answer this? On June 17 2015 08:12 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: ![[image loading]](http://www.gifbin.com/bin/012010/1264505362_cat-fight.gif) more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene. Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening? Give it a day or two... Damdred can you substantiate your reads a bit please? Especially on LS and that other guy? Last game you were one of the first ones to give content and you gave pretty good explanations on each of them... You posted afterwards but never responded to this. NydusHerMain - Town? Fidei86 + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote:
Evening guys. In case you haven't played with me before, this is my second game (first was Holy Guardians). Heading to bed now, but it looks like there'll be a ton of posts ready for me when I wake up ... Why post this if 40 mins later you're going to post again? On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote:
Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read. I better see poking this game Breshke - His posting currently comes off as town to me atm Mig - waiting GlowingBear - Who knows, acts like a child when things don't go his way in town/scum games. LightningStrike - Acting like he cares? I don't know yet, but his posting looks familiar with his last game where he was scum (not caring about what he writes) wherebugsgo - Ego town butthole VayneAuthority - Not much boxerfred - First post is what? Going to leave now, in-laws are in town. Context of that post: He haven't posted for a little over 1 hour and seemed kinda forced to give a list of reads plus I felt like his reads weren't as insightful as his last game like when he was around he was pushing shit more than did this game. On June 17 2015 22:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Alright going to try and get this going here. I don't get why people care so much about activity? It's been known since this forum even started that people lurk and will always lurk. I can't be posting all day and night as some others here cause I own four businesses + consult major businesses. I use mafia as a past time and can post when I have free time. If you like my activity great, if you don't sucks for you. At least I try and help the town win rather than post non-sense and spam up the thread.
@Breshke - It's not that I didn't care about my read, is that every one and their mothers is already giving their read on LS. Why do I need to ask a question that was already answer?
@KSC - I don't get why you think I was going after damdred? It was just an early post to get more info on him and in return he got info out of me. I never even claimed I think he's mafia. If anything, his reads seem town motivated.
The list post I made was just have my notes out early. Today alone is my wife's birthday and I have planned to spend it with her - I even posted before game started I will be active mornings and nights (nights meaning before bed time).
@LS - I have, but I haven't been able to deep dive into them. Currently, I'm basing your posting style to your previous game we played together.
I'll be back at night and post follow up responses. I will also try to respond from my phone if possible. Outside the questions in that post it seemed much more fluff than anything. So your three reasons for scumming him were 1 bad list post 2. makes excuses 3. posts seemed forced But 3 is actually just 1 and 2 because the posts you said seemed forced are the list post and him making an excuse. Frankly i don't think shockey saying shit about not posting much is alignment indicative for him since he did it in witch (might have been post game) but he did do it so it is something he would complain about as either alignment. I don't know what to say to you LS it doesn't feel like you really think he is scum. On June 18 2015 14:02 Breshke wrote:
LS you still havn't convinced me on shockeyy.
Ive shown you he talked about not being able to post a lot in a game where he was town. So why do his excuses this game make him scum?
This push doesn't feel natural IMO. It feels like he isn't okay with the boxer lynch and wants to find a reason to vote LS. If he found Shockey suspicions, I don't understand why he doesn't like the push LS is doing AGAINST Shockey. I'd expect Breshke to go against shockey instead of going against LS.
LS has his particular style of play and LS not going further with his read doesn't make it alignment indicative IMO.
6) This post.
On June 17 2015 16:10 Breshke wrote:
I really don't like that post uhh
GB my scum list is like the top of your lynch list is it bad that they are all afk's
What was he trying to accomplish with this question? It's horrible. "Is it bad?", I don't see townies having this need of confirmation from another townie. I admit this is weak, tho.
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On June 19 2015 03:07 wherebugsgo wrote:why are you making such assumptions? Oh right, cause you're scum
Because you're relying on him to decide if you're tunneled or not. Why would you rely on a player that you don't have a townread?
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I actually think bugs is town now
this Gb case is interesting
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On June 19 2015 03:09 wherebugsgo wrote:
actually rsoultin, Mig, Breshke and HF I want to read your opinions on GB too. Maybe at least one of you will respond so I have something to work with. We have like 5 hours and I don't want to lynch either BF or LS today
I'm a tone player and I do think something is off about gb this game, but the way I do things is look at the arguments and see if it matches my impressions. There are enough things about gbs play.that sit uneasy with me to entertain arguments against him...and I liked the.read change point after the.claim especially as that doesn't make sense to me. I need the time to review your points and his filter before i decide if it's bad enough.to.vote him over bf though
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On June 19 2015 03:12 GlowingBear wrote:.:Case on Breshke:. 1) Town read on LS but willingness to lynch him+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 07:54 Breshke wrote:WBG trying to sniff out the smurfs. It is like it's a holy crusade. I agree with GB that LS is town. Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o This post gives me good townie feelings On June 18 2015 18:38 Breshke wrote:
My Vote is on BF but it is very likely ill switch to LS.
Lohen you say the blueclaim comes from town ls more likely than mafia ls.
Why does town LS claim blue there Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote:
Also I really agree with bugs on the LS claim and also agree with rsoul that if he is doing it as scum his teammates have been telling him to do it which basically clear up an world of LS/KSC scum pair because he was the only one to pressure him hardcore i felt. Yay for associative reads.
Yet LS just claiming then not doing anything but defending himself with his blue claim feels really scummy. Can you do stuff man, if you are town I know you have it in you. This WIFOM is very uncharacteristic and makes no sense IMO. Felt like he saw an opportunity to fake contribution with something that noone can rely upon. 2) Faint defense on me without actually giving thoughts on why my posts sounded townie/mafia+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 08:15 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:07 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:03 Breshke wrote:
WBG is trying to hunt for who the good players are again and it doesn't necessarily make him mafia it just makes him big headed have you played with any of these players much? what do you think of LS's posts this game so far? Some but I wouldn't say I can judge who is good and who is bad nor would I really want to. I assume thats why you are asking me this question. I really liked his opening. I find it hard thinking that LS could make that first post as scum idk it just feels really genuine. Also the rest of his posts don't really seem forced which I think is one of the biggest giveaways for scum LS and is something that would be hard to change. Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:08 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:06 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 08:03 Breshke wrote:
WBG is trying to hunt for who the good players are again and it doesn't necessarily make him mafia it just makes him big headed How did you reach this conclusion? I'm not going to speak for him, but given that he played with me in the previous game while you were busy being scum, and he actually uses his head (unlike you) you should consider thinking a bit more like him and a little less like you Also relax with this. GB coached me a bunch when I first started, I honestly don't understand why you are acting like him since he was scum last game so any reasoning you thought was bad from him doesn't mean shit because he was scum. On June 17 2015 08:30 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 Breshke wrote:
Also relax with this. GB coached me a bunch when I first started, I honestly don't understand why you are acting like him since he was scum last game so any reasoning you thought was bad from him doesn't mean shit because he was scum.
nah I'm not sure GB gleaned anything useful about anyone's play from the last game given that he was scum if he is town this game he should probably consider that at the very least, given that it is his only exposure to my play SO you think GB should try meta read you off of one game? On June 17 2015 08:55 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:36 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 08:33 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:30 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 08:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 Breshke wrote:
Also relax with this. GB coached me a bunch when I first started, I honestly don't understand why you are acting like him since he was scum last game so any reasoning you thought was bad from him doesn't mean shit because he was scum.
nah I'm not sure GB gleaned anything useful about anyone's play from the last game given that he was scum if he is town this game he should probably consider that at the very least, given that it is his only exposure to my play SO you think GB should try meta read you off of one game? I would expect him to at least consider my last game, yes. Your question comes off as really leading though, there's not some sort of binary extreme between being incapable of reading someone and having to autoread them after one game. Not all players fall into that, although some tend to be very easily distinguishable. But I'm probably biased given that I think I am pretty easy to read as town. Yeah it was leading because I have a problem with how you consider yourself. I know you say you are a much better scum player than town player right? Yet you also think you are an easy townread which doesn't make sense if your scum play is better than your town play. Does it not mean people should be wary of you even if they are reading you town. I think I'm a better scum player than town but I would rate my town play like 2 on a scale of 1 to 10 and my scum play as a 5 I think it's fairly obvious when I am town because I personally put in far more effort when I am town. For example in the last game I must've read at least half a dozen of LS's games over the space of day 1 just to make sense of his posts. It's actually a point of frustration for me when the only serious lynches I've had to deal with were all as town because normally I take almost no suspicion at all when I am scum. I think I've been lynched twice as scum and both times I felt it was not really my fault and more a fault of my lazy teammates. Also people have said what you have said before and I welcome people to scrutinize my reads and my play. It'll help me get better at least, but I find it odd that most people call me town when I am scum and scum when I am town. hmm. I assumed your self rating of your scum play would be higher since in witch you said you were 90% sure you were better than me as scum. I guess this fits in with your other opinion that 99% of people on this forum are bad at playing scum. But moving on. If you think it is obvious that you are town because of the effort you put in how do you think GB would read you town when you havn't shown to be putting in this extra effort yet this game. Not that you havn't been putting in effort but I wouldn't say it compares yet to last game. This has a lot to do with being two hours in but still I don't follow how you think GB should have that read on you. This also isn't really going anywhere because I don't think it makes you scum I just think it shows that you want to call GB bad. The greatest problem here is that he townread me very fast in our latest games but he doesn't hesitate to give me a town read here, which is weird. I'd expect a townie to be more paranoid. 3) Constantly white knighting without having any real pushes/reads other than null+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 11:08 Breshke wrote:
WBG let me explain this for you.
Rsoul used to think she had a good read on LS because she caught him scum in her first game but then basically townread him almost every game after that. She was obviously wrong eventually and realized her read was either wrong or LS changed his play. She still gets those frequent townreads on LS so when she was reading LS town this game she was hesitant about it but then because many others were also reading him town she felt less bad about it.
Now explain if the above thing is scummy or not because i ceebs you and rsoul going at it because she explained it in an rsoul way and you reacted to it in a bugs way On June 17 2015 11:28 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, Bugs, I want first to actually form a read on you. And for that I need to know how you're approaching the game.
Opinions on other players, for example, help me with that.
I wouldn't lynch her day one solely for activity. So talking about her NOW is a waste of time.
And talking ABOUT you is also. But talking WITH YOU is important to me. I think we have much better targets.
This fight between you two actually feels very weird. Yes yes yes this. The fight isn't going to go anywhere either because I think you are both too stubborn and 20 posts later you are still going to be going on about the same thing. So let's move on and come back later if need be. On June 17 2015 11:40 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:06 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 10:58 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 10:45 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh, Bill Murray confirmed?
##Vote: Bill Murray GB pls no Was your list listed from like most scummy to least scummy? If not who do you think is most scummy? It wasn't, and I have a tie between Onegu and boxerfred right now. I think Onegu is a better lynch, actually I'm really wary of Kelsier now, btw. Why for kelsier? I think his attempt of rediscuss LS was actually an attempt to disrupt town ("let me raise suspicions on a guy I can raise suspicions so town doesn't actually make a good PoE list") Just how I felt. Of course I need other evidence, but it was enough to take him out of the town list I missed this but good point I kind of think your reason for scumming onegu is weak. I get that the way he worded the VT claim was awkward but I think thats townie if it is alignment indicative at all. I feel he would be more like careful of the post as scum. To me, it sounds like a mafia trying to look contributive townie without actually having to work with pressuring people and solving the game. 4) Sudden easy townread on me and bugs even when bugs said he was better as scum and after playing a game where I was scum and got Breshke calling me basically confirmed town.+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 13:46 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 13:15 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 13:11 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 12:58 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, trust the tone read rsoultin gives on damdred and me
I've been discussing games with her for a long while and he does that every time. And she does it correctly.
Like, I told her I was freezingfoot last game and she said: you're scum right? you don't feel like town gb
I trust her tone reads as genuine
What is rubbing me the wrong way is the shitfight she entered and the refusal to get off of it. I agree the shitfight is not helping town but I don't think it is alignment indicative. Even before they interacted i knew her and bugs would not get along no matter their alignment unless they were mafia together. That is like the only thing I got out of that shitfight the fact that they i think they can not be mafia together. But yeah I don't think you should judge them on the shitfight because it is jsut their personalities and yeah its boring as fuck but it is because they are both stubborn. They both seem likely town to me now another reason the shitfight is boring as hell. GB why are you sheeping HF? Wheres the townread come from you might have said but i missed it. What about each of their play outside of the shitfight gave you these town reads then? Bugs is very similar to last game and is acting exactly how i expect him too as town for example almost started going after nydus because he thought he was a smurf, continued to hunt for good players to try and get their opinions. I also liked the effort he out in when i asked him to dive damdred. Rsoul i wont count the most recent thing i said because that was after i posted that. I don't actually remember the reason I think it was a gut thing or because she was being difficult. On June 17 2015 16:09 Breshke wrote:I'm not very good at getting scumreads in games that move this fast I tend to focus too much on the moment and not the big picture of the game and dont go back and really read stuff so you are probably going to be dissapointed nydus I currently have three people I would lynch. boxerfred bill Murray shockey Boxer for his one post on a joke then leaving. Makes me think he isn't intrested in people allighnments Bill murray for HF's thing. I can see him confirming and then not being bothered to play it out if he rolled scum again after last game. and shockey because he disagrees with basically everyone on LS yet didn't seem to enquire with anyone about it. Which also makes me think he didn't really care about his read. All 3 of these are obviously very inactive which is probably a bad thing. I do however think GB and rsoultin are both really town. GB for his general play and how he has been treating bugs and how fluid his reads have been and rsoultin for how she claimed to get a read on me this game. I also still think LS is town for all earlier reasons and it doesn't change my read that he hasn't been around. Damdred is also in my town pile even though I havn't looked into him much at all but i trust rso's read and I like it even more because my other top town gb said to trust rso's read. I also like this post for ritoky Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 13:52 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 13:51 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 13:51 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 13:49 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 13:47 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 13:46 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 13:15 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 13:11 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 12:58 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, trust the tone read rsoultin gives on damdred and me
I've been discussing games with her for a long while and he does that every time. And she does it correctly.
Like, I told her I was freezingfoot last game and she said: you're scum right? you don't feel like town gb
I trust her tone reads as genuine
What is rubbing me the wrong way is the shitfight she entered and the refusal to get off of it. I agree the shitfight is not helping town but I don't think it is alignment indicative. Even before they interacted i knew her and bugs would not get along no matter their alignment unless they were mafia together. That is like the only thing I got out of that shitfight the fact that they i think they can not be mafia together. But yeah I don't think you should judge them on the shitfight because it is jsut their personalities and yeah its boring as fuck but it is because they are both stubborn. They both seem likely town to me now another reason the shitfight is boring as hell. GB why are you sheeping HF? Wheres the townread come from you might have said but i missed it. What about each of their play outside of the shitfight gave you these town reads then? Bugs is very similar to last game and is acting exactly how i expect him too as town for example almost started going after nydus because he thought he was a smurf, continued to hunt for good players to try and get their opinions. I also liked the effort he out in when i asked him to dive damdred. Rsoul i wont count the most recent thing i said because that was after i posted that. I don't actually remember the reason I think it was a gut thing or because she was being difficult. have you ever played with bugs when he was mafia? No. I understand the failures of the read but I don't care So you're saying you have town reads on them outside of their fighting and the reasons are: -incomplete meta read -i don't remember ?????? wat? Yeah that sums it up fairly well. content wise this is such trash mafia crap. but tone wise your defiance gives me a town chub. fuck you for sending mixed signals. Because I think it would have been so easy for him to shit on me there but he didn't. Again, I've just played a game with him as scum and he was townreading me. I'd expect him to be more cautious if he is town. Bugs is the same. Breshke accepted the idea that bugs can be better as scum than as town, but doesn't hesitate to give bugs a town read. 5) Having suspicions on Shockey but needing LS to convince him that Shockey is scum+ Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 10:39 Breshke wrote:@Shockey I don't have a problem with you not having that much time to play but when you have a read that is the oppisite to the thread I find it not townie that when you are around you don't try to discuss this read and either work out if you are wrong or try and convince people they are wrong. Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 23:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Nah, people are talking about having lurkers post more and LS even said he wish I would post more. Either way, we still are on day 1, there still a lot of time to build a case and gather better reads. I'm not to worried about coming off as scum atm, cause when I lay the hammer, people will see how serious I am about winning for town.
When i first read this it felt really genuine but on re read "lay the hammer" is really awkward wording and feels forced. I don't agree with damdreds thing on shockey ebcause when shockey said "do you think this has any value" or whateve i don't think he was calling damdred scum more like is this useful to talk about. Would also still lynch BF because of the HF stuff. Although im fairly sure it is based off a misunderstanding but that doesn't really make me think it is not scummy because it shows that BF most likely went into it wanting to scum HF. I could be wrong tell me if I am but yeah so BF says that HF knows his own meta so can't use it to defend himself or whatever but this was never actually what happend. What actually happened was that rsoul said "this is your meta you arn't doing this" and then HF said "no this is actually my meta i am doing this". While still kind of using his meta in defense he wasn't the first to bring it up so he isn't saying he is town because he is following his meta he is saying rsouls accusation is bullshit. @BF can you tell me if what i wrote above changes your views on anything i get i didn't express it very well On June 18 2015 13:48 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 13:42 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 13:33 Breshke wrote:On June 18 2015 13:25 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote:On June 18 2015 13:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 12:34 Breshke wrote:On June 18 2015 11:26 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote:
Also I really agree with bugs on the LS claim and also agree with rsoul that if he is doing it as scum his teammates have been telling him to do it which basically clear up an world of LS/KSC scum pair because he was the only one to pressure him hardcore i felt. Yay for associative reads.
Yet LS just claiming then not doing anything but defending himself with his blue claim feels really scummy. Can you do stuff man, if you are town I know you have it in you. People been pressuring non stop what else was I suppose to do -_- Does repeating "im blue" do anything? They know you claimed. Talk about other stuff Ya want to lynch Shockeyy with me? I want you to convince me why I should lynch shockey TLDR Case on Shockeyy: 1. His list post was rather shitty in terms of reasons 2. He been making excuses for his poor play 3. Some of posts seemed forced I will to vote Boxerfred if Shockeyy doesn't appear to be the lynch today but I think Shockeyy is worse than Boxer atm. Could you quote the posts which you think seem forced. These: On June 17 2015 09:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:rsoultin - idk wtf they're posting atm KelsierSC - reminds me of bugs, a butthole, but a town butthole Bill Murray - idk ritoky - Channel 4 Choppa ShoCkeyy - Town Onegu - Misclaim to VT? We'll see, I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt. Holyflare - Opening/Only post claims town lol. Damdred + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum On June 17 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:25 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already. Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point. I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads. Kel is just a maybe town. I know I'm town obviously I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value. There are two types of people that play mafia 1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree. As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish. He's town to me at this juncture. So Damdred, which one is it? Is LS scum cause you're town, or is LS town and you're scum? Or are you both town or scum? Also can you answer this? On June 17 2015 08:12 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene. Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening? Give it a day or two... Damdred can you substantiate your reads a bit please? Especially on LS and that other guy? Last game you were one of the first ones to give content and you gave pretty good explanations on each of them... You posted afterwards but never responded to this. NydusHerMain - Town? Fidei86 + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote:
Evening guys. In case you haven't played with me before, this is my second game (first was Holy Guardians). Heading to bed now, but it looks like there'll be a ton of posts ready for me when I wake up ... Why post this if 40 mins later you're going to post again? On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote:
Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read. I better see poking this game Breshke - His posting currently comes off as town to me atm Mig - waiting GlowingBear - Who knows, acts like a child when things don't go his way in town/scum games. LightningStrike - Acting like he cares? I don't know yet, but his posting looks familiar with his last game where he was scum (not caring about what he writes) wherebugsgo - Ego town butthole VayneAuthority - Not much boxerfred - First post is what? Going to leave now, in-laws are in town. Context of that post: He haven't posted for a little over 1 hour and seemed kinda forced to give a list of reads plus I felt like his reads weren't as insightful as his last game like when he was around he was pushing shit more than did this game. On June 17 2015 22:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Alright going to try and get this going here. I don't get why people care so much about activity? It's been known since this forum even started that people lurk and will always lurk. I can't be posting all day and night as some others here cause I own four businesses + consult major businesses. I use mafia as a past time and can post when I have free time. If you like my activity great, if you don't sucks for you. At least I try and help the town win rather than post non-sense and spam up the thread.
@Breshke - It's not that I didn't care about my read, is that every one and their mothers is already giving their read on LS. Why do I need to ask a question that was already answer?
@KSC - I don't get why you think I was going after damdred? It was just an early post to get more info on him and in return he got info out of me. I never even claimed I think he's mafia. If anything, his reads seem town motivated.
The list post I made was just have my notes out early. Today alone is my wife's birthday and I have planned to spend it with her - I even posted before game started I will be active mornings and nights (nights meaning before bed time).
@LS - I have, but I haven't been able to deep dive into them. Currently, I'm basing your posting style to your previous game we played together.
I'll be back at night and post follow up responses. I will also try to respond from my phone if possible. Outside the questions in that post it seemed much more fluff than anything. So your three reasons for scumming him were 1 bad list post 2. makes excuses 3. posts seemed forced But 3 is actually just 1 and 2 because the posts you said seemed forced are the list post and him making an excuse. Frankly i don't think shockey saying shit about not posting much is alignment indicative for him since he did it in witch (might have been post game) but he did do it so it is something he would complain about as either alignment. I don't know what to say to you LS it doesn't feel like you really think he is scum. On June 18 2015 14:02 Breshke wrote:
LS you still havn't convinced me on shockeyy.
Ive shown you he talked about not being able to post a lot in a game where he was town. So why do his excuses this game make him scum? This push doesn't feel natural IMO. It feels like he isn't okay with the boxer lynch and wants to find a reason to vote LS. If he found Shockey suspicions, I don't understand why he doesn't like the push LS is doing AGAINST Shockey. I'd expect Breshke to go against shockey instead of going against LS. LS has his particular style of play and LS not going further with his read doesn't make it alignment indicative IMO. 6) This post.Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 16:10 Breshke wrote:
I really don't like that post uhh
GB my scum list is like the top of your lynch list is it bad that they are all afk's What was he trying to accomplish with this question? It's horrible. "Is it bad?", I don't see townies having this need of confirmation from another townie. I admit this is weak, tho.
I don't think much of this case actually
point 1...look at the timestamps between your posts there is a whole lot of shit that happened in between
point 3 ...please don't use white knighting just because Rsoul is female, it makes you sound like a twat
point 5 ...I think he explained that he was trying to read LS and hence asking him about shockey..he did explain that to you already so.
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as to the other points
point 2 and point 4. if he has a faint defence of you and then time elapses and he calls you town it doesn't make it a sudden town read no?
point 6. isn't collaboration etc your whole thing now?
overall the case is bad
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On June 19 2015 03:11 LightningStrike wrote:
I here I just needed a break from talking to some brick walls this morning mainly in KSC who is just in a deeper tunnel then the English Chanel tunnel to France -_- Also GB did misrepresent Bugs on the fact that Bugs actually didn't push lurkers in our last game together he mainly pushed me and GB last game.
@Bugs do you think that GB is scum for misrepresenting you there or is it other stuff that makes you think he's scum?
The lie is pretty big, like even though he was scum last game I don't think anyone could have misconstrued my play last game that hard to view it as pushing lurkers. However that's like one small part in the overall big picture.
The other big things, like I mentioned, are the fact that GB repeatedly says he wants things like people to talk to each other and for town to consolidate/have a good atmosphere, e.g this post:
On June 19 2015 00:29 GlowingBear wrote:
My problem here is: if you're town, you're not helping your team when you don't narrow a lynch list for today and discuss it with your townreads.
This kind of disorganisation always lead into a mislynch, since it's very easy for scum to manipulate people into voting who they want to.
Like he says not narrowing a lynch list is being anti-town, yet he just made a case on Breshke who he himself called town earlier only now to derail the thread with a case on him. Yet, he isn't encouraging people to consolidate on boxerfred, where is vote ACTUALLY is, and I somehow doubt that he'd move his vote to Breshke either because he's not dumb enough to think that people are actually going to kill Breshke today. Breshke is like bottom 4 or 5 in the list of players I would feasibly lynch today and the fact that GB thinks he is scum now is really fucking weird.
The very interesting thing about his vote on boxerfred is that it seems that his only motivations for voting him are that he didn't like his opening and that HF is voting him. If we are supposed to be reading inbetween the lines here perhaps it's also because he's a low activity player, but that is not alignment indicative, so I don't understand why he keeps going back to the argument that we should not lynch active players today.
And that's the final thing that to me seems very weird. GB seems to be overly focused on this active players shit, which as I mentioned before is not very helpful to town. You do not want to prematurely eliminate possibilities based on surface-level things like activity, because later it'll bite you in the ass when you have subconsciously eliminated a bunch of people simply because they posted a lot. On the other hand it benefits scum a lot because GB's style as scum is to post more than average, and it makes it easier for people to ignore him if everyone agrees that inactives are bad (which is not at all a controversial opinion, that's like something literally 90% of the forum would support)
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+ Show Spoiler [from last game] +On June 08 2015 13:54 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 13:41 FreezingFoot wrote:On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:Hi On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf? Being a smurf is not alignment indicative. refusing to divulge relevant information sure is! identity is a large part of mafia. So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then? I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town. Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory. It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour. You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing. This post reveals how contrived his behaviour regarding smurfing is. He admits if there is a very good player smurfing, it is benefical to town because the town smurf can avoid a night kill. In other words, he understands that there is also mafia motivation to know who the player is, so they can know how to deal with him. Why does he insist in having the disguised person figured out then? This is also horrible because if you actually needed a player's background to properly play mafia, there would be no newbie games. So, his arguments are clearly forced / fabricated, as already revealed. It's not beneficial because the town smurf can avoid a night kill. It's only beneficial when that townie actually does something, which is usually the case when they are good. Which is why I told you, if that's the case (and you would know!) you certainly don't have to reveal yourself. Your failure to recognize this point is now really damning. I have pointed it out multiple times, yet you are completely fixated on cherry picking my posts. I have invited you to provide scumreads, and invited you to answer many questions that could prove without a shadow of a doubt that you are indeed town, but repeatedly you have failed to do so. If I were scum I would shoot the person with the best reads. It's clearly not you, because you're scum. It wouldn't matter if I'm talking to Foolishness in this game (and you're certainly not him) because your logic and your behaviour is unexplainable from a town perspective. You selectively cherry pick my posts in a way that paints you in the best light, and you repeatedly attempt to undermine my arguments by calling them bad without a shred of evidence backing you up. I'm going to stop crapping up the thread with you directly now, since it's probably just going to continue to scare people off from posting...although I don't really like how slow everyone is to come in and get involved. Again, to everyone in the game: PLEASE contribute, because we need a valid and diverse set of good perspectives to win this game of elimination. On June 09 2015 02:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
Yamato are you ignoring me or did you just miss my post?
I don't need your opinion on FF anymore but would like to know who you dislike aside from the lurkers. I think we have two potential lynches that are far better than lurker lynches. I aould give one of them like 95% chance of turning scum. I'm wondering if you have seen any player you would put in that category.
This post shows that Bugs would consider lynching lurkers if he didn't have a better target. He is just having a strong scumread NOW, against me.
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Kickstart and Breshke I think are town. I actually like Freezing's response.
For the Great Smurf Debate of 2015 I don't care if Freeze outs or not. personally, I'm happy if he/she doesn't. Obviously, she's doing it for a reason pre-game. I don't get why you want to ruin that for them.
Anyway, anyone still around? Someone also said they thought foots was rsoultin before. idk, I personally wouldn't put much into that. First it was he/she and it could have been a matter of convenience to say "she". I know some people default to female pronouns when they are unsure. Even so, Tubesock could know FF's identity through some other means, e.g. they talked to a particular player and knew they were going to smurf in this game. With that said though, if Tubesock indeed does know FF's identity then it makes them both far more likely to be scum. That would be unfortunate (and rather weird, too) because I actually don't really think that's the case right now. ##unvoteGonna think for a bit, the lack of feedback from players is a little disappointing. bats, talk to me a bit. What do you think of other players in the game right now? Is this what you would expect from town yamato, onegu, Lightning? Have you played with Bill Murray before, and do you think he is town this game?
You can see that he is worried about people that doesn't post much. He clearly goes for batsnacks here. I don't see this kind of attitude in this game.
He was way more open minded in the last game. I think his post style here is very different.
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On June 19 2015 03:22 GlowingBear wrote:+ Show Spoiler [from last game] +On June 08 2015 13:54 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 13:41 FreezingFoot wrote:On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:Hi On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf? Being a smurf is not alignment indicative. refusing to divulge relevant information sure is! identity is a large part of mafia. So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then? I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town. Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory. It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour. You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing. This post reveals how contrived his behaviour regarding smurfing is. He admits if there is a very good player smurfing, it is benefical to town because the town smurf can avoid a night kill. In other words, he understands that there is also mafia motivation to know who the player is, so they can know how to deal with him. Why does he insist in having the disguised person figured out then? This is also horrible because if you actually needed a player's background to properly play mafia, there would be no newbie games. So, his arguments are clearly forced / fabricated, as already revealed. It's not beneficial because the town smurf can avoid a night kill. It's only beneficial when that townie actually does something, which is usually the case when they are good. Which is why I told you, if that's the case (and you would know!) you certainly don't have to reveal yourself. Your failure to recognize this point is now really damning. I have pointed it out multiple times, yet you are completely fixated on cherry picking my posts. I have invited you to provide scumreads, and invited you to answer many questions that could prove without a shadow of a doubt that you are indeed town, but repeatedly you have failed to do so. If I were scum I would shoot the person with the best reads. It's clearly not you, because you're scum. It wouldn't matter if I'm talking to Foolishness in this game (and you're certainly not him) because your logic and your behaviour is unexplainable from a town perspective. You selectively cherry pick my posts in a way that paints you in the best light, and you repeatedly attempt to undermine my arguments by calling them bad without a shred of evidence backing you up. I'm going to stop crapping up the thread with you directly now, since it's probably just going to continue to scare people off from posting...although I don't really like how slow everyone is to come in and get involved. Again, to everyone in the game: PLEASE contribute, because we need a valid and diverse set of good perspectives to win this game of elimination. On June 09 2015 02:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
Yamato are you ignoring me or did you just miss my post?
I don't need your opinion on FF anymore but would like to know who you dislike aside from the lurkers. I think we have two potential lynches that are far better than lurker lynches. I aould give one of them like 95% chance of turning scum. I'm wondering if you have seen any player you would put in that category. This post shows that Bugs would consider lynching lurkers if he didn't have a better target. He is just having a strong scumread NOW, against me. + Show Spoiler [more from last game] +On June 09 2015 04:33 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 04:08 batsnacks wrote:On June 08 2015 15:05 Tubesock wrote:
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Kickstart and Breshke I think are town. I actually like Freezing's response.
For the Great Smurf Debate of 2015 I don't care if Freeze outs or not. personally, I'm happy if he/she doesn't. Obviously, she's doing it for a reason pre-game. I don't get why you want to ruin that for them.
Anyway, anyone still around? Someone also said they thought foots was rsoultin before. idk, I personally wouldn't put much into that. First it was he/she and it could have been a matter of convenience to say "she". I know some people default to female pronouns when they are unsure. Even so, Tubesock could know FF's identity through some other means, e.g. they talked to a particular player and knew they were going to smurf in this game. With that said though, if Tubesock indeed does know FF's identity then it makes them both far more likely to be scum. That would be unfortunate (and rather weird, too) because I actually don't really think that's the case right now. ##unvoteGonna think for a bit, the lack of feedback from players is a little disappointing. bats, talk to me a bit. What do you think of other players in the game right now? Is this what you would expect from town yamato, onegu, Lightning? Have you played with Bill Murray before, and do you think he is town this game? You can see that he is worried about people that doesn't post much. He clearly goes for batsnacks here. I don't see this kind of attitude in this game. He was way more open minded in the last game. I think his post style here is very different.
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