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On June 15 2015 03:12 GlowingBear wrote:
/in
Is wisdom of the crowds activated?
i thought you agreed to stop playing for a year?
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HtS if we fill up soon will you be able to start this tonight?
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will moderators make us aware that the silent period has begun? i don't want to trip it accidentally
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On June 17 2015 03:50 Blazinghand wrote:
By the way, people who got into shitfights in my game, I've got my eye on you. I fully expect you to act like adults and do better this game.
the lord hath spoken. Holdeth your tongue...eth
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nice, i'm going to nap before game starts
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On June 17 2015 07:10 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum Really because I actually rolled scum so therefore you must be scum! + Show Spoiler +
wow you are just so zany man
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On June 17 2015 07:16 NydusHerMain wrote:
@lightning
I know he claims it as either alignment but he was town last game I was in it with him and I knew he was town since I was scum and it just feels awkward this time. Super forced
does it actually though
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On June 17 2015 07:21 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:19 NydusHerMain wrote:
"My fucking vt claim"
Just feels like really awkward phrasing. Doesn't feel genuine, kinda like he's missing a couple of words. Ya it might be really bad phrasing but idk what few words he could of used there tbh.
"here is .... My fucking vt claim"
I actually think Nydus has a good point
he could have edited his post. the claim LS posted was grammatically correct and that start doesn't make lots of sense
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On June 17 2015 07:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't like kelsier either. Stupid thing to go on rofl. I think that if I saw someone else post what I did I'd be like "great that doesn't really mean anything. Let's move on" haha
then you don't know how to play the game
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On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI
I'm town
we lost boys
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On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI
I'm town Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o derp.
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On June 17 2015 07:35 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI
I'm town Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o derp. LOL good old LightningStrike he used :o already but I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this time to not get caught by me. Take this as your warning, you know that I know your meta. You better help me out this game or I hope for your sake that you are scum, cause you'll be dead before you know it. anyway, come out and play, Mig. You better not have rolled scum this game or I'll be disappointed I have no one good to talk to ##vote Mig
lol that has to be the most fabricated, weak shit i've ever seen.
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On June 17 2015 07:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
I remember when I beat artosis on PGTour server and he told me to go kill myself for playing protoss
why didn't you?
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On June 17 2015 07:41 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:11 NydusHerMain wrote:
Onegu your vt claim feels different this game. You scum? Am I scum for calling you scum? wtf
are you reading the thread backwards?
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On June 17 2015 07:42 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:37 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 07:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI
I'm town Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o derp. LOL good old LightningStrike he used :o already but I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this time to not get caught by me. Take this as your warning, you know that I know your meta. You better help me out this game or I hope for your sake that you are scum, cause you'll be dead before you know it. anyway, come out and play, Mig. You better not have rolled scum this game or I'll be disappointed I have no one good to talk to ##vote Mig lol that has to be the most fabricated, weak shit i've ever seen. Actually he does know my meta and in fact he made a meta case on me in Witchcraft III when I rolled scum and here was the case: Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 05:35 wherebugsgo wrote:##vote LightningStrikeI think Lightning is like 95% scum. At first in my notes I had Lightning as having a scummy entrance, focusing a lot on asking people questions but using a tone and posting style that is very non-confrontational. This causes LS's posts to come off as forced and I find it hard to piece together his logic if he were town. e.g. this post: On June 08 2015 08:49 LightningStrike wrote:On June 08 2015 08:44 Breshke wrote:On June 08 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote:
So Breshke any thoughts on Wherebugsgo right now? not really. Do you? On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:Hi On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf? Being a smurf is not alignment indicative. refusing to divulge relevant information sure is! identity is a large part of mafia. So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then? I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town. Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory. It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour. You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing. Yeah I understand this but that doesn't make not revealing who you are to be alignment indicative. If someone has chosen to smurf they have chosen pre game that they probably don't want to reveal who they are. I feel like saying, reveal yourself or get lynched, is a waste because it depends on the player on how they will act so you can't really get much from that. Also to talk about this now instead of when mafia will be trying to hunt roles. I think it is best in at least the first phase that a lot of the chosen powers are information type roles specifically scrying I kinda dislike his pressure on FreezingFoot since FreezingFoot could be a smurf and him calling him out so early just seems like it's a preplanned motion from him regardless of his alignment so null. Notice the qualifications I've bolded here. He doesn't like it, but goes back and says oh I guess it could be preplanned. So it's null. Null is not a read. There's also this that follows: On June 08 2015 08:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Also sure it would be nice knowing FreezingFoot's aka but it's not as important as finding scum. Notice LS says it's not as important as finding scum but LS doesn't actually ever attempt to find scum. Half of LS's posts focus on "hey I'll be back later" and are also seemingly very self-aware. e.g: On June 08 2015 09:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Well guys I going to get some dinner and when I come back I will check everything that goes on after this post! Townies don't generally do this so freaking often. You don't need to announce to everyone that you're going to do your job as a townie, unless you are very new or scum. So at first I ignored LS because I thought, maybe I'm wrong and this dude is new. I needed more info, however, so I posted this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?page=14#262 while looking into LS's past games. TL Mafia database has a LOT of games for LS. So he is NOT a new player. This instantly made me more suspicious, but I wanted to see if as town LS was more confident and helpful. Turns out, LS is one of those players I would say has a very clear cut difference between town and mafia. I would suggest you all to skim over some of LS's past games, but in particular the ones that stand out are: Jack of All TradesHorn of AfricaStudent Mini Mafia (although this one is from when LS was newer) XXX Mini MafiaCompare these quotes in the spoilers: + Show Spoiler +1. LightningStrike wrote:I'm back and I finding Geript pretty townie this game but than again I never played vs his Mafia yet but so far I feel he's pushing and asking a ton of questions is pretty much him being town. Slam is thinking logically so far although I hate how he suggested a RNG shot Blazinghand style but he been pushing out ideas and not being boring like he was in Slytherin and Student IV when he was Mafia so I giving him a town read by meta. HTS looks really shakey and starting to look a tiny bit like her Void and Newbie LX Mafia games so possible Mafia by meta. rsoultin I love you and all but I need some extra time on you from the fact that I just coming off of 2 games of you being Mafia and might get some paranoia which I might have still on HTS because I not completely forgiven her for lynching me in Newbie LX. But you being very cheerful so far but idk if that is alignment indicative. Tubesock I hated the No Shoot idea but the logic behind it seems townie but I have yet to see him play as Mafia. Breshke is asking some questions and also reconsider his own thoughts and looks townie. Damdred you need to bleed town this game to me because the last time I played with you in Titanic you were Mafia yet you looked so townie in my eyes I just couldn't really play right  Your Mom and Sepulchre are both smurfs and idk their other ids but I finding Sepulchre pretty townie on his large post and asking questions with some good explanations for why he thought of stuff like HTS making them intentionally bad or bait and his thing on OBS but I remember OBS having bad Day 1s as town so I would give OBS some extra time to see if he bleeds town. Your Mom haven't posted much either and got Null on him simply because he got very short questions and posts so far so I might need more posts from him to see where he lies for now. vs 2. LightningStrike wrote:
Town:
Eden: Played with before when he was Mafia and Town but we he seems to be town this game.
Geript: Toneread says town he seems to ask some good questions.
Snickers: Being extremely serious and giving his thoughts freely it kind of reminds me of a more serious me.
Oatsmaster: Trying to get discussions going with pms and stuff but also he just being himself as town this game.
Liancourt: He seems interested this game which is a good sign for him being town although I never him play as Mafia before.
Null:
Koshi: 1 post from him this game and it isn't really alignment indicative.
sicklucker: I can't read him anymore on Day 1 after playing with him when he was Mafia and I was town. Also his Day 1 is bad.
VisceraEyes: 1 post and wasn't alignment indicative need more posts from him.
Both summary posts, early in the game. Answer: + Show Spoiler +1. LightningStrike wrote:
I don't disagree for now on the Eden read. Rsoultin just seems to happy to be Mafia given she played as Mafia twice in a row into Town with me lol. I'm sorry I was Mafia in that game Damdred it just hurt when you called me Mafia but Geript carried me till he died and did a hilarious bus on Sandroba when sicklucker got lynched lol........ vs 2. LightningStrike wrote:Okay what reasoning you got for voting Damdred because I don't see anything but just the vote onto him without a explanation. Answer: + Show Spoiler +1 LightningStrike wrote:
I agree with you on kita Rayn considering a lot has happened since his last post and not really commenting anything relevant except for the shot ideas. Also I remember Toad being mostly carefree early in Hammertime when I was a Cohost when he was Town and he coming across the same way so I incline to think he's town.
Rayn you know how to read Sicklucker from my past experience with you and him together any thoughts on Sicklucker so far? vs 2 vs 3 LightningStrike wrote:Sorry I was playing LoL game and HF's case on JAT is legit now that we seen HF flip Town and he made many good points on JAT and honestly the bully behavior that JAT displayed this game when people were voting is consistent with his behavior in Void mafia where he bullied people off him in the entire game as scum. Here's his filter from that game although he just was smurfing in that game that is why the name might be off His scum game in Void: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475749-the-void-mafia?user=Wile E. Coyote answer: + Show Spoiler +1. LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and sicklucker is fighting Breshke instead of the other cell mates o.o Also Geript being mad at Kita too and Tube fighting Geript this is interesting stuff going on here and personally I never played in a Cell Setup before so this interesting. Also Geript claimed he got Vig powers and claimed to had shot Sep but yet Sep survived so most likely Ninja in Sep if what Geript was saying is true. I will admit I guarded the Button since we don't know what the button does I thought it was safe play since it kind of like the presents in Carol where we gotten random Presents 1 from a Mass Murderer when unwraped instant kill the person 1 with a Cop power for the Night and 1 with a Vig Shot for the Night and since it prob pure rng what we get I really don't want to give Mafia extra powers or extra powers for ninjas either and weighed it in myself and decided to guard the button. vs 2. LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry for not posting much and a update on reading Sandro's past games and will come up with stuff for tomorrow and sicklucker paranoia went through my head sorry and now seeing some light that you are more likely town than Mafia. Tomorrow I will present my findings on Sandro's past games as both alignments and present everything I have on him. vs 3. LightningStrike wrote:
I was just wating for more posts to get some better reads that why I haven't posted much because there was really much for me to ready. I still waiting for alakaslam, Dicksmash McIroncock, and Meatpudding to post.
My reads are atm the following
Town: Oatsmaster, sicklucker, Damdred, kushm4sta, Trfel
Null: Half the Sky, Breshke, Alakaslam
Scum: Dicksmash McIroncock, Meatpudding.
Dicksmash didn't post anything after his first post for the day and Meatpudding is either trolling us with the stuff he posted earlier or he scum but time will tell.
Alakaslam at least gave a good explanation for his posts.
Breshke gave a explanation on why he voted for sicklucker
Half the Sky made some decent posts but it reads null in my eyes but I still kind of new to TL Mafia (2nd game in TL mafia). vs 4. LightningStrike wrote:
Guys fyi I wont be here from about 11:45 am to at least 4:30 pm CST and I still think Sandroba is Mafia based on meta and Oats I getting him as Town as he playing like he did in Office, Void, and New Years Eve Party where he was a little lazy but he seemed a little motivated now to play the game although I wished he had played on Day 1 but he's here now. 5. On March 08 2015 22:39 LightningStrike wrote:Just woke up and will answer your question. Tubesock I thinking some resemblances of her last game in Titanic now and Day 1 I had paranoia because before Titanic when I played her she was Mafia and rolled Mafia in another game too. The reason I seeing some resemblances from this game to Titanic because in that game she also was confused on setup stuff esp on the fact we had 2 Jail Keepers ( Nigella in Carol) and she having some confusions this game on setup stuff too. So a slight Town meta read on her. Onegu since you confirmed town by the Cop Check I will do as you ask just promise me you shoot Geript okay? HTS Happy Birthday Girl I assuming you going to party for a bit  ##Unvote
##Vote: Onegu Answer: + Show Spoiler +LS's scum play is very very non confrontational and he generally gets away pretty well with just asking questions and making excuses for not having strong opinions or posting much. Tends to be very self-conscious in the thread when he rolls scum, which makes it very easy to recognize him  He knows me inside and out :o
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On June 17 2015 07:45 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:42 GlowingBear wrote:
The SUPER AWESOME PRELIMINARY READS LIST REGARDING THE FIRST 3 PAGES OF THE THREAD
Probs town
LS
Nydus
Probs mafai
Boxerfred
Onegu
Yeah. This little. we should invert these because either way you're going to be wrong Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:42 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 07:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:11 NydusHerMain wrote:
Onegu your vt claim feels different this game. You scum? Am I scum for calling you scum? wtf are you reading the thread backwards? why, you got a problem with that? ![[image loading]](http://www.vgmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/come-at-me-bro.jpg)
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On June 17 2015 07:54 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:46 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:45 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:38 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
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I'm town Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o derp. LOL good old LightningStrike he used :o already but I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this time to not get caught by me. Take this as your warning, you know that I know your meta. You better help me out this game or I hope for your sake that you are scum, cause you'll be dead before you know it. anyway, come out and play, Mig. You better not have rolled scum this game or I'll be disappointed I have no one good to talk to ##vote Mig I know you know my meta and willing to work with you this time since I town and hope that you are town too  Any thoughts on Onegu's entrance and our responses to it? I haven't read anything yet but given how Onegu normally plays I bet it's probably impossible to tell what he is does anyone know if Nydus is a smurf? I see that almost all of his posts are in the mafia forum but the account is actually pretty old Nydus isn't a smurf as I know seeing how he played some games just recently. on a scale of 1 to 10 how bad would you rate Nydus Well he had I felt a 5 out of 10 in his recent game as scum he biggest issue was he wasn't posting much stuff like he should of as scum and his last game before that though was in June 2014 in a newbie game where he also didn't opst much he posted more the time he was there (4 Page filter both games his last town was lynched Day 2 the other was lynched Day 4 as scum) so if posted about 4 pages by Day 2 he more likely town on filter length alone I feel as his last town game seemed like 5 as he got lynched but his content seemed okay.
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On June 17 2015 07:55 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:51 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 07:42 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:37 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 07:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI
I'm town Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o derp. LOL good old LightningStrike he used :o already but I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this time to not get caught by me. Take this as your warning, you know that I know your meta. You better help me out this game or I hope for your sake that you are scum, cause you'll be dead before you know it. anyway, come out and play, Mig. You better not have rolled scum this game or I'll be disappointed I have no one good to talk to ##vote Mig lol that has to be the most fabricated, weak shit i've ever seen. Actually he does know my meta and in fact he made a meta case on me in Witchcraft III when I rolled scum and here was the case: On June 09 2015 05:35 wherebugsgo wrote:##vote LightningStrikeI think Lightning is like 95% scum. At first in my notes I had Lightning as having a scummy entrance, focusing a lot on asking people questions but using a tone and posting style that is very non-confrontational. This causes LS's posts to come off as forced and I find it hard to piece together his logic if he were town. e.g. this post: On June 08 2015 08:49 LightningStrike wrote:On June 08 2015 08:44 Breshke wrote:On June 08 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote:
So Breshke any thoughts on Wherebugsgo right now? not really. Do you? On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:Hi On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
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Being a smurf is not alignment indicative. refusing to divulge relevant information sure is! identity is a large part of mafia. So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then? I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town. Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory. It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour. You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing. Yeah I understand this but that doesn't make not revealing who you are to be alignment indicative. If someone has chosen to smurf they have chosen pre game that they probably don't want to reveal who they are. I feel like saying, reveal yourself or get lynched, is a waste because it depends on the player on how they will act so you can't really get much from that. Also to talk about this now instead of when mafia will be trying to hunt roles. I think it is best in at least the first phase that a lot of the chosen powers are information type roles specifically scrying I kinda dislike his pressure on FreezingFoot since FreezingFoot could be a smurf and him calling him out so early just seems like it's a preplanned motion from him regardless of his alignment so null. Notice the qualifications I've bolded here. He doesn't like it, but goes back and says oh I guess it could be preplanned. So it's null. Null is not a read. There's also this that follows: On June 08 2015 08:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Also sure it would be nice knowing FreezingFoot's aka but it's not as important as finding scum. Notice LS says it's not as important as finding scum but LS doesn't actually ever attempt to find scum. Half of LS's posts focus on "hey I'll be back later" and are also seemingly very self-aware. e.g: On June 08 2015 09:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Well guys I going to get some dinner and when I come back I will check everything that goes on after this post! Townies don't generally do this so freaking often. You don't need to announce to everyone that you're going to do your job as a townie, unless you are very new or scum. So at first I ignored LS because I thought, maybe I'm wrong and this dude is new. I needed more info, however, so I posted this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?page=14#262 while looking into LS's past games. TL Mafia database has a LOT of games for LS. So he is NOT a new player. This instantly made me more suspicious, but I wanted to see if as town LS was more confident and helpful. Turns out, LS is one of those players I would say has a very clear cut difference between town and mafia. I would suggest you all to skim over some of LS's past games, but in particular the ones that stand out are: Jack of All TradesHorn of AfricaStudent Mini Mafia (although this one is from when LS was newer) XXX Mini MafiaCompare these quotes in the spoilers: + Show Spoiler +1. LightningStrike wrote:I'm back and I finding Geript pretty townie this game but than again I never played vs his Mafia yet but so far I feel he's pushing and asking a ton of questions is pretty much him being town. Slam is thinking logically so far although I hate how he suggested a RNG shot Blazinghand style but he been pushing out ideas and not being boring like he was in Slytherin and Student IV when he was Mafia so I giving him a town read by meta. HTS looks really shakey and starting to look a tiny bit like her Void and Newbie LX Mafia games so possible Mafia by meta. rsoultin I love you and all but I need some extra time on you from the fact that I just coming off of 2 games of you being Mafia and might get some paranoia which I might have still on HTS because I not completely forgiven her for lynching me in Newbie LX. But you being very cheerful so far but idk if that is alignment indicative. Tubesock I hated the No Shoot idea but the logic behind it seems townie but I have yet to see him play as Mafia. Breshke is asking some questions and also reconsider his own thoughts and looks townie. Damdred you need to bleed town this game to me because the last time I played with you in Titanic you were Mafia yet you looked so townie in my eyes I just couldn't really play right Your Mom and Sepulchre are both smurfs and idk their other ids but I finding Sepulchre pretty townie on his large post and asking questions with some good explanations for why he thought of stuff like HTS making them intentionally bad or bait and his thing on OBS but I remember OBS having bad Day 1s as town so I would give OBS some extra time to see if he bleeds town. Your Mom haven't posted much either and got Null on him simply because he got very short questions and posts so far so I might need more posts from him to see where he lies for now. vs 2. LightningStrike wrote:
Town:
Eden: Played with before when he was Mafia and Town but we he seems to be town this game.
Geript: Toneread says town he seems to ask some good questions.
Snickers: Being extremely serious and giving his thoughts freely it kind of reminds me of a more serious me.
Oatsmaster: Trying to get discussions going with pms and stuff but also he just being himself as town this game.
Liancourt: He seems interested this game which is a good sign for him being town although I never him play as Mafia before.
Null:
Koshi: 1 post from him this game and it isn't really alignment indicative.
sicklucker: I can't read him anymore on Day 1 after playing with him when he was Mafia and I was town. Also his Day 1 is bad.
VisceraEyes: 1 post and wasn't alignment indicative need more posts from him.
Both summary posts, early in the game. Answer: + Show Spoiler +1. LightningStrike wrote:
I don't disagree for now on the Eden read. Rsoultin just seems to happy to be Mafia given she played as Mafia twice in a row into Town with me lol. I'm sorry I was Mafia in that game Damdred it just hurt when you called me Mafia but Geript carried me till he died and did a hilarious bus on Sandroba when sicklucker got lynched lol........ vs 2. LightningStrike wrote:Okay what reasoning you got for voting Damdred because I don't see anything but just the vote onto him without a explanation. Answer: + Show Spoiler +1 LightningStrike wrote:
I agree with you on kita Rayn considering a lot has happened since his last post and not really commenting anything relevant except for the shot ideas. Also I remember Toad being mostly carefree early in Hammertime when I was a Cohost when he was Town and he coming across the same way so I incline to think he's town.
Rayn you know how to read Sicklucker from my past experience with you and him together any thoughts on Sicklucker so far? vs 2 vs 3 LightningStrike wrote:Sorry I was playing LoL game and HF's case on JAT is legit now that we seen HF flip Town and he made many good points on JAT and honestly the bully behavior that JAT displayed this game when people were voting is consistent with his behavior in Void mafia where he bullied people off him in the entire game as scum. Here's his filter from that game although he just was smurfing in that game that is why the name might be off His scum game in Void: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475749-the-void-mafia?user=Wile E. Coyote answer: + Show Spoiler +1. LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and sicklucker is fighting Breshke instead of the other cell mates o.o Also Geript being mad at Kita too and Tube fighting Geript this is interesting stuff going on here and personally I never played in a Cell Setup before so this interesting. Also Geript claimed he got Vig powers and claimed to had shot Sep but yet Sep survived so most likely Ninja in Sep if what Geript was saying is true. I will admit I guarded the Button since we don't know what the button does I thought it was safe play since it kind of like the presents in Carol where we gotten random Presents 1 from a Mass Murderer when unwraped instant kill the person 1 with a Cop power for the Night and 1 with a Vig Shot for the Night and since it prob pure rng what we get I really don't want to give Mafia extra powers or extra powers for ninjas either and weighed it in myself and decided to guard the button. vs 2. LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry for not posting much and a update on reading Sandro's past games and will come up with stuff for tomorrow and sicklucker paranoia went through my head sorry and now seeing some light that you are more likely town than Mafia. Tomorrow I will present my findings on Sandro's past games as both alignments and present everything I have on him. vs 3. LightningStrike wrote:
I was just wating for more posts to get some better reads that why I haven't posted much because there was really much for me to ready. I still waiting for alakaslam, Dicksmash McIroncock, and Meatpudding to post.
My reads are atm the following
Town: Oatsmaster, sicklucker, Damdred, kushm4sta, Trfel
Null: Half the Sky, Breshke, Alakaslam
Scum: Dicksmash McIroncock, Meatpudding.
Dicksmash didn't post anything after his first post for the day and Meatpudding is either trolling us with the stuff he posted earlier or he scum but time will tell.
Alakaslam at least gave a good explanation for his posts.
Breshke gave a explanation on why he voted for sicklucker
Half the Sky made some decent posts but it reads null in my eyes but I still kind of new to TL Mafia (2nd game in TL mafia). vs 4. LightningStrike wrote:
Guys fyi I wont be here from about 11:45 am to at least 4:30 pm CST and I still think Sandroba is Mafia based on meta and Oats I getting him as Town as he playing like he did in Office, Void, and New Years Eve Party where he was a little lazy but he seemed a little motivated now to play the game although I wished he had played on Day 1 but he's here now. 5. On March 08 2015 22:39 LightningStrike wrote:Just woke up and will answer your question. Tubesock I thinking some resemblances of her last game in Titanic now and Day 1 I had paranoia because before Titanic when I played her she was Mafia and rolled Mafia in another game too. The reason I seeing some resemblances from this game to Titanic because in that game she also was confused on setup stuff esp on the fact we had 2 Jail Keepers ( Nigella in Carol) and she having some confusions this game on setup stuff too. So a slight Town meta read on her. Onegu since you confirmed town by the Cop Check I will do as you ask just promise me you shoot Geript okay? HTS Happy Birthday Girl I assuming you going to party for a bit ##Unvote
##Vote: Onegu Answer: + Show Spoiler +LS's scum play is very very non confrontational and he generally gets away pretty well with just asking questions and making excuses for not having strong opinions or posting much. Tends to be very self-conscious in the thread when he rolls scum, which makes it very easy to recognize him He knows me inside and out :o But now you're self aware of it and it can't be used anymore I was just making a point to KSC as to why I didn't think it was fabricated stuff from bugs that's all.
I see that he made a good case on you in a previous game. that wasn't what was fabricated. The content of the post i quoted was weak and fabricated. my mafia sensor went red alert.
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On June 17 2015 07:58 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:56 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 07:55 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:51 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 07:42 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:37 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 07:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI
I'm town Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o derp. LOL good old LightningStrike he used :o already but I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this time to not get caught by me. Take this as your warning, you know that I know your meta. You better help me out this game or I hope for your sake that you are scum, cause you'll be dead before you know it. anyway, come out and play, Mig. You better not have rolled scum this game or I'll be disappointed I have no one good to talk to ##vote Mig lol that has to be the most fabricated, weak shit i've ever seen. Actually he does know my meta and in fact he made a meta case on me in Witchcraft III when I rolled scum and here was the case: On June 09 2015 05:35 wherebugsgo wrote:##vote LightningStrikeI think Lightning is like 95% scum. At first in my notes I had Lightning as having a scummy entrance, focusing a lot on asking people questions but using a tone and posting style that is very non-confrontational. This causes LS's posts to come off as forced and I find it hard to piece together his logic if he were town. e.g. this post: On June 08 2015 08:49 LightningStrike wrote:On June 08 2015 08:44 Breshke wrote:On June 08 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote:
So Breshke any thoughts on Wherebugsgo right now? not really. Do you? On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:
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So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then? I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town. Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory. It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour. You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing. Yeah I understand this but that doesn't make not revealing who you are to be alignment indicative. If someone has chosen to smurf they have chosen pre game that they probably don't want to reveal who they are. I feel like saying, reveal yourself or get lynched, is a waste because it depends on the player on how they will act so you can't really get much from that. Also to talk about this now instead of when mafia will be trying to hunt roles. I think it is best in at least the first phase that a lot of the chosen powers are information type roles specifically scrying I kinda dislike his pressure on FreezingFoot since FreezingFoot could be a smurf and him calling him out so early just seems like it's a preplanned motion from him regardless of his alignment so null. Notice the qualifications I've bolded here. He doesn't like it, but goes back and says oh I guess it could be preplanned. So it's null. Null is not a read. There's also this that follows: On June 08 2015 08:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Also sure it would be nice knowing FreezingFoot's aka but it's not as important as finding scum. Notice LS says it's not as important as finding scum but LS doesn't actually ever attempt to find scum. Half of LS's posts focus on "hey I'll be back later" and are also seemingly very self-aware. e.g: On June 08 2015 09:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Well guys I going to get some dinner and when I come back I will check everything that goes on after this post! Townies don't generally do this so freaking often. You don't need to announce to everyone that you're going to do your job as a townie, unless you are very new or scum. So at first I ignored LS because I thought, maybe I'm wrong and this dude is new. I needed more info, however, so I posted this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?page=14#262 while looking into LS's past games. TL Mafia database has a LOT of games for LS. So he is NOT a new player. This instantly made me more suspicious, but I wanted to see if as town LS was more confident and helpful. Turns out, LS is one of those players I would say has a very clear cut difference between town and mafia. I would suggest you all to skim over some of LS's past games, but in particular the ones that stand out are: Jack of All TradesHorn of AfricaStudent Mini Mafia (although this one is from when LS was newer) XXX Mini MafiaCompare these quotes in the spoilers: + Show Spoiler +1. LightningStrike wrote:I'm back and I finding Geript pretty townie this game but than again I never played vs his Mafia yet but so far I feel he's pushing and asking a ton of questions is pretty much him being town. Slam is thinking logically so far although I hate how he suggested a RNG shot Blazinghand style but he been pushing out ideas and not being boring like he was in Slytherin and Student IV when he was Mafia so I giving him a town read by meta. HTS looks really shakey and starting to look a tiny bit like her Void and Newbie LX Mafia games so possible Mafia by meta. rsoultin I love you and all but I need some extra time on you from the fact that I just coming off of 2 games of you being Mafia and might get some paranoia which I might have still on HTS because I not completely forgiven her for lynching me in Newbie LX. But you being very cheerful so far but idk if that is alignment indicative. Tubesock I hated the No Shoot idea but the logic behind it seems townie but I have yet to see him play as Mafia. Breshke is asking some questions and also reconsider his own thoughts and looks townie. Damdred you need to bleed town this game to me because the last time I played with you in Titanic you were Mafia yet you looked so townie in my eyes I just couldn't really play right Your Mom and Sepulchre are both smurfs and idk their other ids but I finding Sepulchre pretty townie on his large post and asking questions with some good explanations for why he thought of stuff like HTS making them intentionally bad or bait and his thing on OBS but I remember OBS having bad Day 1s as town so I would give OBS some extra time to see if he bleeds town. Your Mom haven't posted much either and got Null on him simply because he got very short questions and posts so far so I might need more posts from him to see where he lies for now. vs 2. LightningStrike wrote:
Town:
Eden: Played with before when he was Mafia and Town but we he seems to be town this game.
Geript: Toneread says town he seems to ask some good questions.
Snickers: Being extremely serious and giving his thoughts freely it kind of reminds me of a more serious me.
Oatsmaster: Trying to get discussions going with pms and stuff but also he just being himself as town this game.
Liancourt: He seems interested this game which is a good sign for him being town although I never him play as Mafia before.
Null:
Koshi: 1 post from him this game and it isn't really alignment indicative.
sicklucker: I can't read him anymore on Day 1 after playing with him when he was Mafia and I was town. Also his Day 1 is bad.
VisceraEyes: 1 post and wasn't alignment indicative need more posts from him.
Both summary posts, early in the game. Answer: + Show Spoiler +1. LightningStrike wrote:
I don't disagree for now on the Eden read. Rsoultin just seems to happy to be Mafia given she played as Mafia twice in a row into Town with me lol. I'm sorry I was Mafia in that game Damdred it just hurt when you called me Mafia but Geript carried me till he died and did a hilarious bus on Sandroba when sicklucker got lynched lol........ vs 2. LightningStrike wrote:Okay what reasoning you got for voting Damdred because I don't see anything but just the vote onto him without a explanation. Answer: + Show Spoiler +1 LightningStrike wrote:
I agree with you on kita Rayn considering a lot has happened since his last post and not really commenting anything relevant except for the shot ideas. Also I remember Toad being mostly carefree early in Hammertime when I was a Cohost when he was Town and he coming across the same way so I incline to think he's town.
Rayn you know how to read Sicklucker from my past experience with you and him together any thoughts on Sicklucker so far? vs 2 vs 3 LightningStrike wrote:Sorry I was playing LoL game and HF's case on JAT is legit now that we seen HF flip Town and he made many good points on JAT and honestly the bully behavior that JAT displayed this game when people were voting is consistent with his behavior in Void mafia where he bullied people off him in the entire game as scum. Here's his filter from that game although he just was smurfing in that game that is why the name might be off His scum game in Void: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475749-the-void-mafia?user=Wile E. Coyote answer: + Show Spoiler +1. LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and sicklucker is fighting Breshke instead of the other cell mates o.o Also Geript being mad at Kita too and Tube fighting Geript this is interesting stuff going on here and personally I never played in a Cell Setup before so this interesting. Also Geript claimed he got Vig powers and claimed to had shot Sep but yet Sep survived so most likely Ninja in Sep if what Geript was saying is true. I will admit I guarded the Button since we don't know what the button does I thought it was safe play since it kind of like the presents in Carol where we gotten random Presents 1 from a Mass Murderer when unwraped instant kill the person 1 with a Cop power for the Night and 1 with a Vig Shot for the Night and since it prob pure rng what we get I really don't want to give Mafia extra powers or extra powers for ninjas either and weighed it in myself and decided to guard the button. vs 2. LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry for not posting much and a update on reading Sandro's past games and will come up with stuff for tomorrow and sicklucker paranoia went through my head sorry and now seeing some light that you are more likely town than Mafia. Tomorrow I will present my findings on Sandro's past games as both alignments and present everything I have on him. vs 3. LightningStrike wrote:
I was just wating for more posts to get some better reads that why I haven't posted much because there was really much for me to ready. I still waiting for alakaslam, Dicksmash McIroncock, and Meatpudding to post.
My reads are atm the following
Town: Oatsmaster, sicklucker, Damdred, kushm4sta, Trfel
Null: Half the Sky, Breshke, Alakaslam
Scum: Dicksmash McIroncock, Meatpudding.
Dicksmash didn't post anything after his first post for the day and Meatpudding is either trolling us with the stuff he posted earlier or he scum but time will tell.
Alakaslam at least gave a good explanation for his posts.
Breshke gave a explanation on why he voted for sicklucker
Half the Sky made some decent posts but it reads null in my eyes but I still kind of new to TL Mafia (2nd game in TL mafia). vs 4. LightningStrike wrote:
Guys fyi I wont be here from about 11:45 am to at least 4:30 pm CST and I still think Sandroba is Mafia based on meta and Oats I getting him as Town as he playing like he did in Office, Void, and New Years Eve Party where he was a little lazy but he seemed a little motivated now to play the game although I wished he had played on Day 1 but he's here now. 5. On March 08 2015 22:39 LightningStrike wrote:Just woke up and will answer your question. Tubesock I thinking some resemblances of her last game in Titanic now and Day 1 I had paranoia because before Titanic when I played her she was Mafia and rolled Mafia in another game too. The reason I seeing some resemblances from this game to Titanic because in that game she also was confused on setup stuff esp on the fact we had 2 Jail Keepers ( Nigella in Carol) and she having some confusions this game on setup stuff too. So a slight Town meta read on her. Onegu since you confirmed town by the Cop Check I will do as you ask just promise me you shoot Geript okay? HTS Happy Birthday Girl I assuming you going to party for a bit ##Unvote
##Vote: Onegu Answer: + Show Spoiler +LS's scum play is very very non confrontational and he generally gets away pretty well with just asking questions and making excuses for not having strong opinions or posting much. Tends to be very self-conscious in the thread when he rolls scum, which makes it very easy to recognize him He knows me inside and out :o But now you're self aware of it and it can't be used anymore I was just making a point to KSC as to why I didn't think it was fabricated stuff from bugs that's all. I see that he made a good case on you in a previous game. that wasn't what was fabricated. The content of the post i quoted was weak and fabricated. my mafia sensor went red alert. Is the vote on Mig by him that making it go red alert or are you sure it's not yellow alert?
it's his bullshit defence of you, his weird fucking "oh be careful i've got my eye on you" crap and then his stupid fucking vote.
since then he read the thread backwards which is usually mafia and he asked some stupid question about how good nydus is on a scale...which is totally pointless and serves no purpose.
He is mafia and you should all vote him.
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On June 17 2015 08:06 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:00 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 07:58 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:56 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 07:55 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:51 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 07:42 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:37 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 07:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:
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derp. LOL good old LightningStrike he used :o already but I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this time to not get caught by me. Take this as your warning, you know that I know your meta. You better help me out this game or I hope for your sake that you are scum, cause you'll be dead before you know it. anyway, come out and play, Mig. You better not have rolled scum this game or I'll be disappointed I have no one good to talk to ##vote Mig lol that has to be the most fabricated, weak shit i've ever seen. Actually he does know my meta and in fact he made a meta case on me in Witchcraft III when I rolled scum and here was the case: On June 09 2015 05:35 wherebugsgo wrote:##vote LightningStrikeI think Lightning is like 95% scum. At first in my notes I had Lightning as having a scummy entrance, focusing a lot on asking people questions but using a tone and posting style that is very non-confrontational. This causes LS's posts to come off as forced and I find it hard to piece together his logic if he were town. e.g. this post: On June 08 2015 08:49 LightningStrike wrote:On June 08 2015 08:44 Breshke wrote:
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not really. Do you?
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Yeah I understand this but that doesn't make not revealing who you are to be alignment indicative. If someone has chosen to smurf they have chosen pre game that they probably don't want to reveal who they are. I feel like saying, reveal yourself or get lynched, is a waste because it depends on the player on how they will act so you can't really get much from that.
Also to talk about this now instead of when mafia will be trying to hunt roles. I think it is best in at least the first phase that a lot of the chosen powers are information type roles specifically scrying I kinda dislike his pressure on FreezingFoot since FreezingFoot could be a smurf and him calling him out so early just seems like it's a preplanned motion from him regardless of his alignment so null. Notice the qualifications I've bolded here. He doesn't like it, but goes back and says oh I guess it could be preplanned. So it's null. Null is not a read. There's also this that follows: On June 08 2015 08:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Also sure it would be nice knowing FreezingFoot's aka but it's not as important as finding scum. Notice LS says it's not as important as finding scum but LS doesn't actually ever attempt to find scum. Half of LS's posts focus on "hey I'll be back later" and are also seemingly very self-aware. e.g: On June 08 2015 09:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Well guys I going to get some dinner and when I come back I will check everything that goes on after this post! Townies don't generally do this so freaking often. You don't need to announce to everyone that you're going to do your job as a townie, unless you are very new or scum. So at first I ignored LS because I thought, maybe I'm wrong and this dude is new. I needed more info, however, so I posted this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?page=14#262 while looking into LS's past games. TL Mafia database has a LOT of games for LS. So he is NOT a new player. This instantly made me more suspicious, but I wanted to see if as town LS was more confident and helpful. Turns out, LS is one of those players I would say has a very clear cut difference between town and mafia. I would suggest you all to skim over some of LS's past games, but in particular the ones that stand out are: Jack of All TradesHorn of AfricaStudent Mini Mafia (although this one is from when LS was newer) XXX Mini MafiaCompare these quotes in the spoilers: + Show Spoiler +1. LightningStrike wrote:I'm back and I finding Geript pretty townie this game but than again I never played vs his Mafia yet but so far I feel he's pushing and asking a ton of questions is pretty much him being town. Slam is thinking logically so far although I hate how he suggested a RNG shot Blazinghand style but he been pushing out ideas and not being boring like he was in Slytherin and Student IV when he was Mafia so I giving him a town read by meta. HTS looks really shakey and starting to look a tiny bit like her Void and Newbie LX Mafia games so possible Mafia by meta. rsoultin I love you and all but I need some extra time on you from the fact that I just coming off of 2 games of you being Mafia and might get some paranoia which I might have still on HTS because I not completely forgiven her for lynching me in Newbie LX. But you being very cheerful so far but idk if that is alignment indicative. Tubesock I hated the No Shoot idea but the logic behind it seems townie but I have yet to see him play as Mafia. Breshke is asking some questions and also reconsider his own thoughts and looks townie. Damdred you need to bleed town this game to me because the last time I played with you in Titanic you were Mafia yet you looked so townie in my eyes I just couldn't really play right Your Mom and Sepulchre are both smurfs and idk their other ids but I finding Sepulchre pretty townie on his large post and asking questions with some good explanations for why he thought of stuff like HTS making them intentionally bad or bait and his thing on OBS but I remember OBS having bad Day 1s as town so I would give OBS some extra time to see if he bleeds town. Your Mom haven't posted much either and got Null on him simply because he got very short questions and posts so far so I might need more posts from him to see where he lies for now. vs 2. LightningStrike wrote:
Town:
Eden: Played with before when he was Mafia and Town but we he seems to be town this game.
Geript: Toneread says town he seems to ask some good questions.
Snickers: Being extremely serious and giving his thoughts freely it kind of reminds me of a more serious me.
Oatsmaster: Trying to get discussions going with pms and stuff but also he just being himself as town this game.
Liancourt: He seems interested this game which is a good sign for him being town although I never him play as Mafia before.
Null:
Koshi: 1 post from him this game and it isn't really alignment indicative.
sicklucker: I can't read him anymore on Day 1 after playing with him when he was Mafia and I was town. Also his Day 1 is bad.
VisceraEyes: 1 post and wasn't alignment indicative need more posts from him.
Both summary posts, early in the game. Answer: + Show Spoiler +1. LightningStrike wrote:
I don't disagree for now on the Eden read. Rsoultin just seems to happy to be Mafia given she played as Mafia twice in a row into Town with me lol. I'm sorry I was Mafia in that game Damdred it just hurt when you called me Mafia but Geript carried me till he died and did a hilarious bus on Sandroba when sicklucker got lynched lol........ vs 2. LightningStrike wrote:Okay what reasoning you got for voting Damdred because I don't see anything but just the vote onto him without a explanation. Answer: + Show Spoiler +1 LightningStrike wrote:
I agree with you on kita Rayn considering a lot has happened since his last post and not really commenting anything relevant except for the shot ideas. Also I remember Toad being mostly carefree early in Hammertime when I was a Cohost when he was Town and he coming across the same way so I incline to think he's town.
Rayn you know how to read Sicklucker from my past experience with you and him together any thoughts on Sicklucker so far? vs 2 vs 3 LightningStrike wrote:Sorry I was playing LoL game and HF's case on JAT is legit now that we seen HF flip Town and he made many good points on JAT and honestly the bully behavior that JAT displayed this game when people were voting is consistent with his behavior in Void mafia where he bullied people off him in the entire game as scum. Here's his filter from that game although he just was smurfing in that game that is why the name might be off His scum game in Void: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475749-the-void-mafia?user=Wile E. Coyote answer: + Show Spoiler +1. LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and sicklucker is fighting Breshke instead of the other cell mates o.o Also Geript being mad at Kita too and Tube fighting Geript this is interesting stuff going on here and personally I never played in a Cell Setup before so this interesting. Also Geript claimed he got Vig powers and claimed to had shot Sep but yet Sep survived so most likely Ninja in Sep if what Geript was saying is true. I will admit I guarded the Button since we don't know what the button does I thought it was safe play since it kind of like the presents in Carol where we gotten random Presents 1 from a Mass Murderer when unwraped instant kill the person 1 with a Cop power for the Night and 1 with a Vig Shot for the Night and since it prob pure rng what we get I really don't want to give Mafia extra powers or extra powers for ninjas either and weighed it in myself and decided to guard the button. vs 2. LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry for not posting much and a update on reading Sandro's past games and will come up with stuff for tomorrow and sicklucker paranoia went through my head sorry and now seeing some light that you are more likely town than Mafia. Tomorrow I will present my findings on Sandro's past games as both alignments and present everything I have on him. vs 3. LightningStrike wrote:
I was just wating for more posts to get some better reads that why I haven't posted much because there was really much for me to ready. I still waiting for alakaslam, Dicksmash McIroncock, and Meatpudding to post.
My reads are atm the following
Town: Oatsmaster, sicklucker, Damdred, kushm4sta, Trfel
Null: Half the Sky, Breshke, Alakaslam
Scum: Dicksmash McIroncock, Meatpudding.
Dicksmash didn't post anything after his first post for the day and Meatpudding is either trolling us with the stuff he posted earlier or he scum but time will tell.
Alakaslam at least gave a good explanation for his posts.
Breshke gave a explanation on why he voted for sicklucker
Half the Sky made some decent posts but it reads null in my eyes but I still kind of new to TL Mafia (2nd game in TL mafia). vs 4. LightningStrike wrote:
Guys fyi I wont be here from about 11:45 am to at least 4:30 pm CST and I still think Sandroba is Mafia based on meta and Oats I getting him as Town as he playing like he did in Office, Void, and New Years Eve Party where he was a little lazy but he seemed a little motivated now to play the game although I wished he had played on Day 1 but he's here now. 5. On March 08 2015 22:39 LightningStrike wrote:Just woke up and will answer your question. Tubesock I thinking some resemblances of her last game in Titanic now and Day 1 I had paranoia because before Titanic when I played her she was Mafia and rolled Mafia in another game too. The reason I seeing some resemblances from this game to Titanic because in that game she also was confused on setup stuff esp on the fact we had 2 Jail Keepers ( Nigella in Carol) and she having some confusions this game on setup stuff too. So a slight Town meta read on her. Onegu since you confirmed town by the Cop Check I will do as you ask just promise me you shoot Geript okay? HTS Happy Birthday Girl I assuming you going to party for a bit ##Unvote
##Vote: Onegu Answer: + Show Spoiler +LS's scum play is very very non confrontational and he generally gets away pretty well with just asking questions and making excuses for not having strong opinions or posting much. Tends to be very self-conscious in the thread when he rolls scum, which makes it very easy to recognize him He knows me inside and out :o But now you're self aware of it and it can't be used anymore I was just making a point to KSC as to why I didn't think it was fabricated stuff from bugs that's all. I see that he made a good case on you in a previous game. that wasn't what was fabricated. The content of the post i quoted was weak and fabricated. my mafia sensor went red alert. Is the vote on Mig by him that making it go red alert or are you sure it's not yellow alert? it's his bullshit defence of you, his weird fucking "oh be careful i've got my eye on you" crap and then his stupid fucking vote. since then he read the thread backwards which is usually mafia and he asked some stupid question about how good nydus is on a scale...which is totally pointless and serves no purpose. He is mafia and you should all vote him. LOL I don't know anyone in this game except Mig and a couple people from my previous game and the game I hosted, including LS and Onegu. I thought Nydus was a smurf so I wanted to know whether I can expect him to be good or not. Mafia is very much a game of identity; knowing who is good will allow me to bounce my reads off people. It's good now I know I won't be bouncing any reads off you given how horrendous your logic is. For example, how can you even say which direction I read the thread? And even if I did read it backwards (which I didn't, because that's confusing as fuck) how is that at all alignment-indicative? And how is my post on LS a defense of him? He hasn't posted shit all yet and I actually found his use of the ":o" face a little suspicious, given how often he used it last game to defuse the tone of his posts.
You did read it backwards because you made a case and responded to someting LS said and then quoted the nydus post which came after
On June 17 2015 07:38 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:37 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI
I'm town Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o derp. LOL good old LightningStrike he used :o already but I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this time to not get caught by me. Take this as your warning, you know that I know your meta. You better help me out this game or I hope for your sake that you are scum, cause you'll be dead before you know it. anyway, come out and play, Mig. You better not have rolled scum this game or I'll be disappointed I have no one good to talk to ##vote Mig I know you know my meta and willing to work with you this time since I town and hope that you are town too Any thoughts on Onegu's entrance and our responses to it? I haven't read anything yet but given how Onegu normally plays I bet it's probably impossible to tell what he is does anyone know if Nydus is a smurf? I see that almost all of his posts are in the mafia forum but the account is actually pretty old
On June 17 2015 07:41 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:11 NydusHerMain wrote:
Onegu your vt claim feels different this game. You scum? Am I scum for calling you scum? wtf
this is early d1 so bringing up points about my "logic" being bad and how you won't talk to me all game comes across poorly. Your posting has been scummy and i've highlighted it
this post about LS , you are pretty clearly calling him town
On June 17 2015 07:35 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI
I'm town Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o derp. LOL good old LightningStrike he used :o already but I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this time to not get caught by me. Take this as your warning, you know that I know your meta. You better help me out this game or I hope for your sake that you are scum, cause you'll be dead before you know it. anyway, come out and play, Mig. You better not have rolled scum this game or I'll be disappointed I have no one good to talk to ##vote Mig
honestly you can just look at that whole post and it screams mafia.
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On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already. Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any
seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit
you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating
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On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already. Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point. I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads. Kel is just a maybe town. I know I'm town obviously I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that
you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town?
There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value.
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On June 17 2015 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote:wat. saying "I imagine if he rolled scum he'll be more careful this game" is not me saying he is town. It literally means what it says, if he rolled scum again he's going to be wary of me because I fucking nailed him last game. Show nested quote +You did read it backwards because you made a case and responded to someting LS said and then quoted the nydus post which came after While it's nice that you are so confident, you should consider looking at perspective. I read that post because it was at the top of the latest page at the time. I was reading that page for new posts as I went down and when LS asked me about Onegu I went back and read from the beginning, my first proper read of the game. I didn't find anything super weird aside from a couple posts from Nydus (which is why I asked whether he is a smurf after looking at his profile) and then subsequently that post I marked as "wtf". It's pretty natural for me to have several tabs open with one at the latest page and a couple others either on filters or at the current point in the thread where I'm reading/rereading. Show nested quote +this is early d1 so bringing up points about my "logic" being bad and how you won't talk to me all game comes across poorly. Your posting has been scummy and i've highlighted it I don't particularly care what you think, because you've so far demonstrated that your opinions are not useful. Therefore, I am going to ignore you, and if you want that to change you should probably consider working with me instead of flailing around and being dumb. What you think is alignment-indicative is not, and never will be, so unless your mentality changes I have nothing to gain from talking to you.
I think i'll cope
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On June 17 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:25 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already. Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point. I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads. Kel is just a maybe town. I know I'm town obviously I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value. There are two types of people that play mafia 1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree. As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish. He's town to me at this juncture.
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On June 17 2015 08:32 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:32 Damdred wrote:On June 17 2015 08:30 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote:On June 17 2015 08:25 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already. Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point. I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads. Kel is just a maybe town. I know I'm town obviously I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value. There are two types of people that play mafia 1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree. As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish. He's town to me at this juncture. can i be option 3? Option 3 players who I never real my meta read to because it's to accurate Damn, I was hoping option 3 was worthless shit posters.
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I'd propose this point.
People are saying that LS has "posted a lot" and been active. But if you actually look at what he has done he has interjected into some jokes and then asked a bunch of questions which don't lead anywhere. Has he committed himself to a read so far? he has just defended people.
LS recently got caught as scum I recall, easily the feedback could be, "you are easy to read by being lazy" so now all he does is shit post in the thread and get a town read. Like I feel very uncomfortable with everyone calling LS town and I think that he could easily be scum.
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On June 17 2015 08:37 Damdred wrote:
Ritoky I'm keeping you in the dark, I have a read on you though.
do you have a read on rsol yet?
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On June 17 2015 08:40 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:37 KelsierSC wrote:
I'd propose this point.
People are saying that LS has "posted a lot" and been active. But if you actually look at what he has done he has interjected into some jokes and then asked a bunch of questions which don't lead anywhere. Has he committed himself to a read so far? he has just defended people.
LS recently got caught as scum I recall, easily the feedback could be, "you are easy to read by being lazy" so now all he does is shit post in the thread and get a town read. Like I feel very uncomfortable with everyone calling LS town and I think that he could easily be scum. more true if he hasn't been told after practically EVERY SINGLE SCUM GAME that he's a lazy git and he does it anyway cause he can't be bothered xP fortunately i haven't had the joy of rolling scum with him yet this also just argues him back to null so what's the point? unless you're reading him scum cause he could possibly do this as scum? (hint: that's a shit argument xP)
I haven't played that much with him I just know he caught recently as scum.
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On June 17 2015 08:42 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:41 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:40 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 08:37 KelsierSC wrote:
I'd propose this point.
People are saying that LS has "posted a lot" and been active. But if you actually look at what he has done he has interjected into some jokes and then asked a bunch of questions which don't lead anywhere. Has he committed himself to a read so far? he has just defended people.
LS recently got caught as scum I recall, easily the feedback could be, "you are easy to read by being lazy" so now all he does is shit post in the thread and get a town read. Like I feel very uncomfortable with everyone calling LS town and I think that he could easily be scum. more true if he hasn't been told after practically EVERY SINGLE SCUM GAME that he's a lazy git and he does it anyway cause he can't be bothered xP fortunately i haven't had the joy of rolling scum with him yet this also just argues him back to null so what's the point? unless you're reading him scum cause he could possibly do this as scum? (hint: that's a shit argument xP) I haven't played that much with him I just know he caught recently as scum. thus i've enlightened you ^^ now address the question in my post plzthx
It felt like he was being given a town pass to easily and I thought his posting was pretty scummy. I mentioned the part about he tried to jump into a bunch of jokes and a lot of his questions don't lead anywhere.
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On June 17 2015 08:45 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:43 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:42 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 08:41 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:40 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 08:37 KelsierSC wrote:
I'd propose this point.
People are saying that LS has "posted a lot" and been active. But if you actually look at what he has done he has interjected into some jokes and then asked a bunch of questions which don't lead anywhere. Has he committed himself to a read so far? he has just defended people.
LS recently got caught as scum I recall, easily the feedback could be, "you are easy to read by being lazy" so now all he does is shit post in the thread and get a town read. Like I feel very uncomfortable with everyone calling LS town and I think that he could easily be scum. more true if he hasn't been told after practically EVERY SINGLE SCUM GAME that he's a lazy git and he does it anyway cause he can't be bothered xP fortunately i haven't had the joy of rolling scum with him yet this also just argues him back to null so what's the point? unless you're reading him scum cause he could possibly do this as scum? (hint: that's a shit argument xP) I haven't played that much with him I just know he caught recently as scum. thus i've enlightened you ^^ now address the question in my post plzthx It felt like he was being given a town pass to easily and I thought his posting was pretty scummy. I mentioned the part about he tried to jump into a bunch of jokes and a lot of his questions don't lead anywhere. -shrugs- the reason he gets easy townreads from players is he's lynchbait ksc. some players are way more likely to get lynched than others you know this i'm pretty sure either you or your scummate ritoky pushed him in carol d1
wow this post is terrible
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On June 17 2015 08:45 LightningStrike wrote:Also my thoughts so far: Town: Bugs: Meta read says he's town he poking at others and having a big ego :Oritoky: Seemed to be posting freely which I usually associate with him being town just wish he had reads that weren't all null Nydus: Has decent content so far this game just wish he would post more stuff! KSC: Despite the fact I hate his attitude towards me and bugs I think he's town he actually prodding stuff and trying to direct the thread a little bit which I normally seen from him in past games. GB: He seems like his care free self this game although I can see how he would react to a insult from Bugs but otherwise I liking him a little bit Breshke: Didn't fall for a trap by GB and actually thinking critically this game. Null: Everyone else since not a lot posts by others from what I saw.
how many games are you judging this off?
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Damdred do you have an rsol read yet?
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On June 17 2015 08:52 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:37 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 08:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:34 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 08:31 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:30 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 08:28 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:27 rsoultin wrote:-rolls around the thread- hihihihi ls town but not town cause i'm bad about wrongly reading him town yay! i feel safer when others do it too, though! \o/ lol so angry rit wbg eh...bresh may be right on the ego thing gettin' that too big for the thread feel from your posts, dude... badumdum what else caught my eye in a scan worth commenting on? oh i like damdy tone, yay! \o/ oneg...can wait. not sure why he was the focus for so long lol >< i've got a semi-decent metaread i may break out later on him but it requires some actual posting xP what does that even mean you know the part that came after the part you bolded? it explains it ^^ cool, yeah? so do you actually think he is town or not? oh this is gonna be fun ^^ let me break it down i think ls is town the "not town" part is my way of saying take it with a grain of salt BECAUSE (and this is the best part cause i love explaining myself five times) i have a tendency to townread him even when he's scum HOWEVER others who are better at reading him (i.e. damdy) also say town so i'm more comfortable with the read than i otherwise would be ^ the best part is all of that was in a much more concise package originally ^^ okay. can you tell me what you like about Dam? he's my pretty hubby ^^ with the sexy accent lol >< actually, it's tonal. i don't generally qualify my tonereads cause they mean nothing to anyone but me anyway. best simple way to describe it to the uninitiated is fluidity...he's one stiff mofo as scum ^^ umm what why would your reasoning for calling Damdred town only matter to you? You need to qualify the read, otherwise it's pretty much a useless read. It is useful for me, for example, to be able to understand your reasoning so I can determine your alignment
that assumes she cares what you think
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On June 17 2015 08:45 LightningStrike wrote:Also my thoughts so far: Town: Bugs: Meta read says he's town he poking at others and having a big ego :O ritoky: Seemed to be posting freely which I usually associate with him being town just wish he had reads that weren't all null Nydus: Has decent content so far this game just wish he would post more stuff! KSC: Despite the fact I hate his attitude towards me and bugs I think he's town he actually prodding stuff and trying to direct the thread a little bit which I normally seen from him in past games. GB: He seems like his care free self this game although I can see how he would react to a insult from Bugs but otherwise I liking him a little bit Breshke: Didn't fall for a trap by GB and actually thinking critically this game. Null: Everyone else since not a lot posts by others from what I saw.
you don't have an opinion on onegu? you asked a lot of questions about him.
what about damdred aswell?
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i bet when WBG loses in Dota it's always his teams fault for being lazy.
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On June 17 2015 09:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:rsoultin - idk wtf they're posting atm KelsierSC - reminds me of bugs, a butthole, but a town butthole Bill Murray - idk ritoky - Channel 4 Choppa ShoCkeyy - Town Onegu - Misclaim to VT? We'll see, I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt. Holyflare - Opening/Only post claims town lol. Damdred + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum On June 17 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:25 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already. Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point. I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads. Kel is just a maybe town. I know I'm town obviously I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value. There are two types of people that play mafia 1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree. As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish. He's town to me at this juncture. So Damdred, which one is it? Is LS scum cause you're town, or is LS town and you're scum? Or are you both town or scum? Also can you answer this? On June 17 2015 08:12 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: ![[image loading]](http://www.gifbin.com/bin/012010/1264505362_cat-fight.gif) more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene. Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening? Give it a day or two... Damdred can you substantiate your reads a bit please? Especially on LS and that other guy? Last game you were one of the first ones to give content and you gave pretty good explanations on each of them... You posted afterwards but never responded to this. NydusHerMain - Town? Fidei86 + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote:
Evening guys. In case you haven't played with me before, this is my second game (first was Holy Guardians). Heading to bed now, but it looks like there'll be a ton of posts ready for me when I wake up ... Why post this if 40 mins later you're going to post again? On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote:
Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read. I better see poking this game Breshke - His posting currently comes off as town to me atm Mig - waiting GlowingBear - Who knows, acts like a child when things don't go his way in town/scum games. LightningStrike - Acting like he cares? I don't know yet, but his posting looks familiar with his last game where he was scum (not caring about what he writes) wherebugsgo - Ego town butthole VayneAuthority - Not much boxerfred - First post is what? Going to leave now, in-laws are in town.
yeh you're mafia
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On June 17 2015 09:14 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 09:00 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:45 LightningStrike wrote:Also my thoughts so far: Town: Bugs: Meta read says he's town he poking at others and having a big ego :O ritoky: Seemed to be posting freely which I usually associate with him being town just wish he had reads that weren't all null Nydus: Has decent content so far this game just wish he would post more stuff! KSC: Despite the fact I hate his attitude towards me and bugs I think he's town he actually prodding stuff and trying to direct the thread a little bit which I normally seen from him in past games. GB: He seems like his care free self this game although I can see how he would react to a insult from Bugs but otherwise I liking him a little bit Breshke: Didn't fall for a trap by GB and actually thinking critically this game. Null: Everyone else since not a lot posts by others from what I saw. you don't have an opinion on onegu? you asked a lot of questions about him. what about damdred aswell? Well he made like 2 posts although the first post seems pretty weirdish after talking with others about him and his 2nd post pretty much him calling rsoultin scum for bad reasons. Damdred seems okay for now would not lynch till Day 2 for now.
I mean..you asked someone , can't remember, to comment on onegu's opening and related material so I figured you must have an opinion on the whole matter. Or where you just asking the questions for no reason?
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he's not new he has 5 games in the DB
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On June 17 2015 09:27 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 09:24 NydusHerMain wrote:
Damdred have you gave any reasoning for any of your reads yet other than meta? You did a hell of a lot of it last game. Actually meta is a huge part of my game in the early goings as well as tone etc., Rsoultin is because she's my waifu that's acting like a pita. I've answered about ls I believe Kel is his attitude and his wanting to dig into people. Gb because of the wanting to give reads and get people involved. Rit is pure meta and I'd rather never explain You are meta+content at this point compared to last game.
you know in the LR threads and in real life i'm a very well mannered person.
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On June 17 2015 09:29 ShoCkeyy wrote:Wife is taking forever, got a few minutes to respond. @damdred what? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?page=12#231Is where he asked you, your follow up was: Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already. Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point. I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads. Kel is just a maybe town. I know I'm town obviously I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that Do you really think this is worth of any value? You wrote about three people when there are quite a few other posters.
what about his most recent post?
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On June 17 2015 09:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 09:31 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 09:29 ShoCkeyy wrote:Wife is taking forever, got a few minutes to respond. @damdred what? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?page=12#231Is where he asked you, your follow up was: On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already. Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point. I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads. Kel is just a maybe town. I know I'm town obviously I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that Do you really think this is worth of any value? You wrote about three people when there are quite a few other posters. what about his most recent post? It was a lot better than that current one (which I was going to write about, but since you asked, just might as well respond to you too), but it still lacks other players that have been involved since the start. Also, he claims it's all meta reads, which who knows. Either way, I was just questioning him, I'm not saying his alignment yet since I just don't know atm.
ok here's my problem with this. If you are town you can't just make up reads , despite what GB says. if that is all damdred has then he has posted it. I actually think his recent posts and his explanation about LS was pretty good.
I'm looking at your list post now
On June 17 2015 09:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:rsoultin - idk wtf they're posting atm KelsierSC - reminds me of bugs, a butthole, but a town butthole Bill Murray - idk ritoky - Channel 4 Choppa ShoCkeyy - Town Onegu - Misclaim to VT? We'll see, I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt. Holyflare - Opening/Only post claims town lol. Damdred + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum On June 17 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:25 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already. Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point. I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads. Kel is just a maybe town. I know I'm town obviously I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value. There are two types of people that play mafia 1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree. As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish. He's town to me at this juncture. So Damdred, which one is it? Is LS scum cause you're town, or is LS town and you're scum? Or are you both town or scum? Also can you answer this? On June 17 2015 08:12 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene. Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening? Give it a day or two... Damdred can you substantiate your reads a bit please? Especially on LS and that other guy? Last game you were one of the first ones to give content and you gave pretty good explanations on each of them... You posted afterwards but never responded to this. NydusHerMain - Town? Fidei86 + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote:
Evening guys. In case you haven't played with me before, this is my second game (first was Holy Guardians). Heading to bed now, but it looks like there'll be a ton of posts ready for me when I wake up ... Why post this if 40 mins later you're going to post again? On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote:
Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read. I better see poking this game Breshke - His posting currently comes off as town to me atm Mig - waiting GlowingBear - Who knows, acts like a child when things don't go his way in town/scum games. LightningStrike - Acting like he cares? I don't know yet, but his posting looks familiar with his last game where he was scum (not caring about what he writes) wherebugsgo - Ego town butthole VayneAuthority - Not much boxerfred - First post is what? Going to leave now, in-laws are in town.
you haven't actually given a great deal on anyone. you have given most people as null and some people as town. which is what damdred has done. so why are you going so crazy on him?
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On June 17 2015 09:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred is probably town, stop raising weird suspicions on him
it was one guy and no one agreed with him.
Thanks for the heads up though.
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On June 17 2015 09:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 09:38 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 09:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 17 2015 09:31 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 09:29 ShoCkeyy wrote:Wife is taking forever, got a few minutes to respond. @damdred what? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?page=12#231Is where he asked you, your follow up was: On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already. Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point. I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads. Kel is just a maybe town. I know I'm town obviously I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that Do you really think this is worth of any value? You wrote about three people when there are quite a few other posters. what about his most recent post? It was a lot better than that current one (which I was going to write about, but since you asked, just might as well respond to you too), but it still lacks other players that have been involved since the start. Also, he claims it's all meta reads, which who knows. Either way, I was just questioning him, I'm not saying his alignment yet since I just don't know atm. ok here's my problem with this. If you are town you can't just make up reads , despite what GB says. if that is all damdred has then he has posted it. I actually think his recent posts and his explanation about LS was pretty good. I'm looking at your list post now On June 17 2015 09:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:rsoultin - idk wtf they're posting atm KelsierSC - reminds me of bugs, a butthole, but a town butthole Bill Murray - idk ritoky - Channel 4 Choppa ShoCkeyy - Town Onegu - Misclaim to VT? We'll see, I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt. Holyflare - Opening/Only post claims town lol. Damdred + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum On June 17 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:25 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already. Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point. I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads. Kel is just a maybe town. I know I'm town obviously I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value. There are two types of people that play mafia 1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree. As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish. He's town to me at this juncture. So Damdred, which one is it? Is LS scum cause you're town, or is LS town and you're scum? Or are you both town or scum? Also can you answer this? On June 17 2015 08:12 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene. Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening? Give it a day or two... Damdred can you substantiate your reads a bit please? Especially on LS and that other guy? Last game you were one of the first ones to give content and you gave pretty good explanations on each of them... You posted afterwards but never responded to this. NydusHerMain - Town? Fidei86 + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote:
Evening guys. In case you haven't played with me before, this is my second game (first was Holy Guardians). Heading to bed now, but it looks like there'll be a ton of posts ready for me when I wake up ... Why post this if 40 mins later you're going to post again? On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote:
Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read. I better see poking this game Breshke - His posting currently comes off as town to me atm Mig - waiting GlowingBear - Who knows, acts like a child when things don't go his way in town/scum games. LightningStrike - Acting like he cares? I don't know yet, but his posting looks familiar with his last game where he was scum (not caring about what he writes) wherebugsgo - Ego town butthole VayneAuthority - Not much boxerfred - First post is what? Going to leave now, in-laws are in town. you haven't actually given a great deal on anyone. you have given most people as null and some people as town. which is what damdred has done. so why are you going so crazy on him? I wasn't going crazy? Also, I just wanted to give my early reads on everyone and ask a few questions to better my reads. I'm not making up reads, these are just notes I've made while reading the responses of all the players.
ok well I interpreted your tone as pretty aggressive.
So do you not have any scum reads then?
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On June 17 2015 09:29 ShoCkeyy wrote:Wife is taking forever, got a few minutes to respond. @damdred what? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?page=12#231Is where he asked you, your follow up was: Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already. Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point. I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads. Kel is just a maybe town. I know I'm town obviously I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that Do you really think this is worth of any value? You wrote about three people when there are quite a few other posters.
like this felt pretty aggro,
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On June 17 2015 09:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:
@KSC
Currently hard to give scum reads with what's going on, it's still the beginning of day 1!
LS is my only suspicion atm.
It felt agro cause I was asking him a serious question, maybe he slips if he was mafia and says something?
GB has like 18 scum reads already it's so easy!
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On June 17 2015 09:54 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 09:07 KelsierSC wrote:
i bet when WBG loses in Dota it's always his teams fault for being lazy. I don't lose in dota!
I feel you posted this just to show you were reading in the right direction.
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On June 17 2015 09:58 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 09:01 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 08:58 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:54 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 08:52 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:37 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 08:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:34 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 08:31 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:30 rsoultin wrote:
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you know the part that came after the part you bolded? it explains it ^^ cool, yeah? so do you actually think he is town or not? oh this is gonna be fun ^^ let me break it down i think ls is town the "not town" part is my way of saying take it with a grain of salt BECAUSE (and this is the best part cause i love explaining myself five times) i have a tendency to townread him even when he's scum HOWEVER others who are better at reading him (i.e. damdy) also say town so i'm more comfortable with the read than i otherwise would be ^ the best part is all of that was in a much more concise package originally ^^ okay. can you tell me what you like about Dam? he's my pretty hubby ^^ with the sexy accent lol >< actually, it's tonal. i don't generally qualify my tonereads cause they mean nothing to anyone but me anyway. best simple way to describe it to the uninitiated is fluidity...he's one stiff mofo as scum ^^ umm what why would your reasoning for calling Damdred town only matter to you? You need to qualify the read, otherwise it's pretty much a useless read. It is useful for me, for example, to be able to understand your reasoning so I can determine your alignment ahem hem hem read again pretty no thanks. I don't put weight in tone reads, I expect you to have some justification for them. lol wow maybe if i just c/p the one little section it will stave off the reading comprehension rant: "best simple way to describe it to the uninitiated is fluidity...he's one stiff mofo as scum ^^" it's how i read him early. i tend to be right. if you don't like it, too bad -shoos- it's not a reading comprehension issue when you literally don't have justification. thanks for pointing me in the right direction, though. ##unvote
##vote rsoultin
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On June 17 2015 10:02 Damdred wrote:
So...
All a sudden my gut says shockey is town...it's for bassist reasons though, so I might ! have to hedge my bets like palmar
nah he's mafia, go balls deep
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sure sounds good
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going to sleep if hf does something assume i did the same
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Good Morning, Catching up now
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I think this should be highlighted more.
On June 17 2015 11:16 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:14 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 11:13 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 11:12 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 11:06 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 11:05 Holyflare wrote:On June 17 2015 11:04 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 11:02 Holyflare wrote:On June 17 2015 11:00 rsoultin wrote:On June 17 2015 10:59 Holyflare wrote:
i'm not masons with ksc hf you are making me really want to push you day 1, despite knowing how unlikely that lynch would be well I know one alignment that wants to lynch confirmed town ^^ if you're gonna call me scum you better start early and directly, hf or you could give a rat's ass and play the game either or i don't see why you're so pissed at me for no reason? either i start playing or i don't i'm still waiting for the semblance of a contribution from you this game ^^ for someone who keeps being standoffish when people push her for responses, you sure are quick to notice a kettle. read hf's filter. read mine. then say we're the same rsoultin already knows the answer! they're not the same cause rsoultin is scum LOL so now you're saying hf is town, too?
This is a really good catch imo. bugs whole thing is about logic and how he dislikes tone reads and shit so why is he calling hf town here? I don't know but this seems like a slip to me.
The "shitfight" as it was so lovingly described, between bugs and rsol. It seemed like a clash of egos but from my character read of both players they wouldn't back down from a fight as either alignment. It didn't feel alignment indicative.
rsol can you explain to me why i'm scum?
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LS one of the issues I had is that you asked a few questions but there was no follow up to it.
On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.
Kel is a town lean.
I'm town, this is a good start Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all.
This one damdred gave thoughts, you press him for more.
Then when you give your list damdred isn't on it..but then you say he's ok afterwards. I'd like you to walk me through your process here.
On June 17 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:16 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene. Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening? stuff is happening? Interactions of KSC and Bugs plus what people were posting about Onegu's entrance.
Then with this one, Why did you ask ritoky about this? again I would like your thought process.
I also want to know what you think about shockeyy.
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On June 17 2015 20:34 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 20:20 KelsierSC wrote:LS one of the issues I had is that you asked a few questions but there was no follow up to it. On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.
Kel is a town lean.
I'm town, this is a good start Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all. This one damdred gave thoughts, you press him for more. Then when you give your list damdred isn't on it..but then you say he's ok afterwards. I'd like you to walk me through your process here. On June 17 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:16 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene. Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening? stuff is happening? Interactions of KSC and Bugs plus what people were posting about Onegu's entrance. Then with this one, Why did you ask ritoky about this? again I would like your thought process. I also want to know what you think about shockeyy. I did like damdred's reads for the most part but I was again playing in LoL inhouses at 7:00 pm CST so I didn't post at all to give my thoughts O_o I wanted ritoky's input to get a outsider perspective on it and all I got from him was that it was pretty much null though so ya it ended being a waste Also shockeyy seems okayish content wise just wish he would post more honestly.
well this is interesting. I completely disagree with this I think his posting has been terrible.
I think the list post with everyone on it and 1/2 words was scummy , he didn't read what damdred had posted and when he got called out on it he tried to cover up. In fact when the pressure went on him he went pretty defensive imo.
It is strange that you like his content when.
On June 17 2015 07:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI
I'm town Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o derp. LightningStrike already giving himself away again?...
On June 17 2015 09:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:rsoultin - idk wtf they're posting atm KelsierSC - reminds me of bugs, a butthole, but a town butthole Bill Murray - idk ritoky - Channel 4 Choppa ShoCkeyy - Town Onegu - Misclaim to VT? We'll see, I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt. Holyflare - Opening/Only post claims town lol. Damdred + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum On June 17 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:25 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already. Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point. I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads. Kel is just a maybe town. I know I'm town obviously I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value. There are two types of people that play mafia 1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree. As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish. He's town to me at this juncture. So Damdred, which one is it? Is LS scum cause you're town, or is LS town and you're scum? Or are you both town or scum? Also can you answer this? On June 17 2015 08:12 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene. Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening? Give it a day or two... Damdred can you substantiate your reads a bit please? Especially on LS and that other guy? Last game you were one of the first ones to give content and you gave pretty good explanations on each of them... You posted afterwards but never responded to this. NydusHerMain - Town? Fidei86 + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote:
Evening guys. In case you haven't played with me before, this is my second game (first was Holy Guardians). Heading to bed now, but it looks like there'll be a ton of posts ready for me when I wake up ... Why post this if 40 mins later you're going to post again? On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote:
Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read. I better see poking this game Breshke - His posting currently comes off as town to me atm Mig - waiting GlowingBear - Who knows, acts like a child when things don't go his way in town/scum games. LightningStrike - Acting like he cares? I don't know yet, but his posting looks familiar with his last game where he was scum (not caring about what he writes)wherebugsgo - Ego town butthole VayneAuthority - Not much boxerfred - First post is what? Going to leave now, in-laws are in town.
you need to give me more than you like his content and it is "okayish" it feels like you didn't even read him at all...
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On June 17 2015 20:53 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 20:40 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 20:34 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 20:20 KelsierSC wrote:LS one of the issues I had is that you asked a few questions but there was no follow up to it. On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.
Kel is a town lean.
I'm town, this is a good start Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all. This one damdred gave thoughts, you press him for more. Then when you give your list damdred isn't on it..but then you say he's ok afterwards. I'd like you to walk me through your process here. On June 17 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:16 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene. Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening? stuff is happening? Interactions of KSC and Bugs plus what people were posting about Onegu's entrance. Then with this one, Why did you ask ritoky about this? again I would like your thought process. I also want to know what you think about shockeyy. I did like damdred's reads for the most part but I was again playing in LoL inhouses at 7:00 pm CST so I didn't post at all to give my thoughts O_o I wanted ritoky's input to get a outsider perspective on it and all I got from him was that it was pretty much null though so ya it ended being a waste Also shockeyy seems okayish content wise just wish he would post more honestly. well this is interesting. I completely disagree with this I think his posting has been terrible. I think the list post with everyone on it and 1/2 words was scummy , he didn't read what damdred had posted and when he got called out on it he tried to cover up. In fact when the pressure went on him he went pretty defensive imo. It is strange that you like his content when. On June 17 2015 07:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
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I'm town Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o derp. LightningStrike already giving himself away again?... On June 17 2015 09:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:rsoultin - idk wtf they're posting atm KelsierSC - reminds me of bugs, a butthole, but a town butthole Bill Murray - idk ritoky - Channel 4 Choppa ShoCkeyy - Town Onegu - Misclaim to VT? We'll see, I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt. Holyflare - Opening/Only post claims town lol. Damdred + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum On June 17 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:25 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already. Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point. I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads. Kel is just a maybe town. I know I'm town obviously I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value. There are two types of people that play mafia 1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree. As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish. He's town to me at this juncture. So Damdred, which one is it? Is LS scum cause you're town, or is LS town and you're scum? Or are you both town or scum? Also can you answer this? On June 17 2015 08:12 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene. Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening? Give it a day or two... Damdred can you substantiate your reads a bit please? Especially on LS and that other guy? Last game you were one of the first ones to give content and you gave pretty good explanations on each of them... You posted afterwards but never responded to this. NydusHerMain - Town? Fidei86 + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote:
Evening guys. In case you haven't played with me before, this is my second game (first was Holy Guardians). Heading to bed now, but it looks like there'll be a ton of posts ready for me when I wake up ... Why post this if 40 mins later you're going to post again? On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote:
Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read. I better see poking this game Breshke - His posting currently comes off as town to me atm Mig - waiting GlowingBear - Who knows, acts like a child when things don't go his way in town/scum games. LightningStrike - Acting like he cares? I don't know yet, but his posting looks familiar with his last game where he was scum (not caring about what he writes)wherebugsgo - Ego town butthole VayneAuthority - Not much boxerfred - First post is what? Going to leave now, in-laws are in town. you need to give me more than you like his content and it is "okayish" it feels like you didn't even read him at all... Okay I just reread his filter in Witchcraft and he actually now looked worse than I thought I knew something seemed off and it's his list post reasoning seemed worse the ones he did in Witchcraft like I didn't care for his list post he seemed to had been genuine when it comes to thinking I scum again although his read on me is wrong because I do post freely regardless of my alignment(Check my past games Shockeyy) but outside of his list post he seemed to look but not exactly townie atm though.
look... what? I think you edited a word out.
So I asked you to give a read on shockeyy..you said he looked okay without reading him properly? that seems very strange.
Also this makes no sense to me.
I didn't care for his list post he seemed to had been genuine when it comes to thinking I scum again although his read on me is wrong because I do post freely regardless of my alignment
you don't like his lost post or his reasons but you felt his reason for scum reading you is genuine? His reasoning is that he is playing like he did last game, but now you are saying that isn't true...
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On June 17 2015 21:09 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 21:01 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 20:53 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 20:40 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 20:34 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 20:20 KelsierSC wrote:LS one of the issues I had is that you asked a few questions but there was no follow up to it. On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.
Kel is a town lean.
I'm town, this is a good start Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all. This one damdred gave thoughts, you press him for more. Then when you give your list damdred isn't on it..but then you say he's ok afterwards. I'd like you to walk me through your process here. On June 17 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:16 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene. Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening? stuff is happening? Interactions of KSC and Bugs plus what people were posting about Onegu's entrance. Then with this one, Why did you ask ritoky about this? again I would like your thought process. I also want to know what you think about shockeyy. I did like damdred's reads for the most part but I was again playing in LoL inhouses at 7:00 pm CST so I didn't post at all to give my thoughts O_o I wanted ritoky's input to get a outsider perspective on it and all I got from him was that it was pretty much null though so ya it ended being a waste Also shockeyy seems okayish content wise just wish he would post more honestly. well this is interesting. I completely disagree with this I think his posting has been terrible. I think the list post with everyone on it and 1/2 words was scummy , he didn't read what damdred had posted and when he got called out on it he tried to cover up. In fact when the pressure went on him he went pretty defensive imo. It is strange that you like his content when. On June 17 2015 07:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
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I'm town Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o derp. LightningStrike already giving himself away again?... On June 17 2015 09:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:rsoultin - idk wtf they're posting atm KelsierSC - reminds me of bugs, a butthole, but a town butthole Bill Murray - idk ritoky - Channel 4 Choppa ShoCkeyy - Town Onegu - Misclaim to VT? We'll see, I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt. Holyflare - Opening/Only post claims town lol. Damdred + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum On June 17 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:25 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already. Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point. I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads. Kel is just a maybe town. I know I'm town obviously I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value. There are two types of people that play mafia 1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree. As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish. He's town to me at this juncture. So Damdred, which one is it? Is LS scum cause you're town, or is LS town and you're scum? Or are you both town or scum? Also can you answer this? On June 17 2015 08:12 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene. Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening? Give it a day or two... Damdred can you substantiate your reads a bit please? Especially on LS and that other guy? Last game you were one of the first ones to give content and you gave pretty good explanations on each of them... You posted afterwards but never responded to this. NydusHerMain - Town? Fidei86 + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote:
Evening guys. In case you haven't played with me before, this is my second game (first was Holy Guardians). Heading to bed now, but it looks like there'll be a ton of posts ready for me when I wake up ... Why post this if 40 mins later you're going to post again? On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote:
Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read. I better see poking this game Breshke - His posting currently comes off as town to me atm Mig - waiting GlowingBear - Who knows, acts like a child when things don't go his way in town/scum games. LightningStrike - Acting like he cares? I don't know yet, but his posting looks familiar with his last game where he was scum (not caring about what he writes)wherebugsgo - Ego town butthole VayneAuthority - Not much boxerfred - First post is what? Going to leave now, in-laws are in town. you need to give me more than you like his content and it is "okayish" it feels like you didn't even read him at all... Okay I just reread his filter in Witchcraft and he actually now looked worse than I thought I knew something seemed off and it's his list post reasoning seemed worse the ones he did in Witchcraft like I didn't care for his list post he seemed to had been genuine when it comes to thinking I scum again although his read on me is wrong because I do post freely regardless of my alignment(Check my past games Shockeyy) but outside of his list post he seemed to look but not exactly townie atm though. look... what? I think you edited a word out. So I asked you to give a read on shockeyy..you said he looked okay without reading him properly? that seems very strange. Also this makes no sense to me. I didn't care for his list post he seemed to had been genuine when it comes to thinking I scum again although his read on me is wrong because I do post freely regardless of my alignment you don't like his lost post or his reasons but you felt his reason for scum reading you is genuine? His reasoning is that he is playing like he did last game, but now you are saying that isn't true... Well he only played with me when I was scum so ofc I would expect his type of reaction on his first post given based on our history from Witchcraft. Also I forgot to add a word he seemed to look okay outside of his list post. Also I am running on 7 hours of sleep with a sinus headache and just took some medicine so ofc I most likely didn't read his filter properly this game the first time -_-
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So I'm going to give where I'm at in the game so far.
Town
Damdred - I liked his posting and the tone he used for his explanation of LS felt good. I think his response to shockey was pretty towny aswell
Nydus - I've liked his posting and his activity. we haven't played together but he feels like town
GB - he's kind of been doing his own shit but I think he's been around for most of the important points and he's been explaining some of his reasoning e.g why he thought i might be mafia, he went and looked at his own read of onegu and went back on it which felt town.
Ritoky - Made me laugh a few times, been jokey but has been giving input aswell. His point on GB and Damdred was kind of stupid but it felt like he was trying to figure some stuff out.
hf - CONFIRMED TOWN. no in all seriousness when he just voted BM I just thought it would be interesting to see what happened so I went along with it. After reading the thread I liked his posting with regards to bugs and rsoul, I also think the reason for voting BM is actually good.
Scum
LS - tried to spam early literally responding to every joke/picture and then asking questions which in my opinion didn't lead anywhere. It felt like he was trying to mimic town...rather than actually helping town. giving defenses of people and posting old games. I didn't feel this was helping town at all.
I think his early "derp" was quite telling, it showed he just wanted to post rather than think about his posting.
His slip just now with regards to shockey is telling. He said his content was "okay" despite the fact the content was terrible and shockey's scum read was LS himself.
The reasoning for it was poor, but LS said he felt the reason was genuine...but he felt the reason was poor?? this makes no sense. I actually think that LS just straight didn't read shockey and called him town because..he knew he was town? or shockey is a partner?
Shockey - terrible early list post with shit reasons, didn't read damdred properly and when he got pinged he tried to go at damdred..it felt like an aggressive reaction when you just fucked up. a lot his posting just felt like backtracking.
Bugs - early posts were awful, I highlighted this. He's just a massive twat so his fighting doesn't change my opinion of his alignment, when he posts something else then I can look again but for now he is scum.
BM - Hf reason is good
Outside of that there are a few people that I don't know about yet and i'm reading through again.
Feel free to ask questions.
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On June 17 2015 21:50 rsoultin wrote:
Eh maybe not ksc after all
Don't have much time kels but essentially I didn't get why you decided to sheep hf when you couldn't possibly have a townread him after the two to three posts he'd posted lol >< I also didn't agree with your read on ls and don't, but the way you're approaching that read seems okay now so whatevs
Heh plus you just reminded me of shock again XP what do you think of damdy`s time thing regarding shockeys response to me? The f off attitude usually comes from town but i'm not sure if it actually is enough to make up for that list post
I doesn't really change things for me. The initial list post and then his responses to myself and damdred felt scummy. I don't think yawning at you alters things.
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On June 17 2015 22:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Alright going to try and get this going here. I don't get why people care so much about activity? It's been known since this forum even started that people lurk and will always lurk. I can't be posting all day and night as some others here cause I own four businesses + consult major businesses. I use mafia as a past time and can post when I have free time. If you like my activity great, if you don't sucks for you. At least I try and help the town win rather than post non-sense and spam up the thread.
@Breshke - It's not that I didn't care about my read, is that every one and their mothers is already giving their read on LS. Why do I need to ask a question that was already answer?
@KSC - I don't get why you think I was going after damdred? It was just an early post to get more info on him and in return he got info out of me. I never even claimed I think he's mafia. If anything, his reads seem town motivated.
The list post I made was just have my notes out early. Today alone is my wife's birthday and I have planned to spend it with her - I even posted before game started I will be active mornings and nights (nights meaning before bed time).
@LS - I have, but I haven't been able to deep dive into them. Currently, I'm basing your posting style to your previous game we played together.
I'll be back at night and post follow up responses. I will also try to respond from my phone if possible.
thanks for your life story and the reasons you play mafia. I'm glad you avoided non-sense and spamming the thread.
Congratulations on your wife's birthday.
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On June 18 2015 01:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly Boxerfred is new HF give it some time bro like Bugs said he only started playing Mafia recently :O
you have to call someone scum eventually.
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On June 18 2015 01:33 Holyflare wrote:
and bm -.-
I don't know why you unvoted him in the first place. clearly mafia.
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On June 18 2015 01:35 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 01:35 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 01:33 Holyflare wrote:
and bm -.- I don't know why you unvoted him in the first place. clearly mafia. because there is no greater tease than afking my vote on rsoultin
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On June 18 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel?
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On June 18 2015 01:49 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 01:48 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel? ##unvote
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I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3
lol no
Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack.
now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this
maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him
where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why?
also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it.
You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway.
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On June 18 2015 02:07 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:01 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 01:49 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 01:48 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel? ##unvote
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I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3 lol no Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack. now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why? also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it. You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway. I see him as a newer player which is also why I hesitant on actually commiting unless other people think's scum too because(Meta) in his last game(Witchcraft III) he gave much more structure and reasons for his reads than he did this game so far I wondering if it's alignment indicative or not.
you have to use I'm not I in those situation or you sound even more like an idiot.
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On June 18 2015 02:07 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:01 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 01:49 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 01:48 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel? ##unvote
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I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3 lol no Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack. now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why? also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it. You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway. I see him as a newer player which is also why I hesitant on actually commiting unless other people think's scum too because(Meta) in his last game(Witchcraft III) he gave much more structure and reasons for his reads than he did this game so far I wondering if it's alignment indicative or not.
so you still have no scum reads of your own. shocker.
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On June 18 2015 02:11 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't believe boxerfred when he says that the first thing he noticed was holyflare being scummy. BS that he didn't notice anything else. I understand that he said he was skimming but there was so much worse shit that whatever holyflare did.
yeh I think he just wanted to call someone scummy.
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also LS what do you mean by shockey has a low chance of slipping scum? that makes no fucking sense when people, myself included have brought up scummy aspects about his play. and other people in town like nydus also agree. you think new players don't role scum or something?
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On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:09 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:07 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:01 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 01:49 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 01:48 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel? ##unvote
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I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3 lol no Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack. now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why? also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it. You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway. I see him as a newer player which is also why I hesitant on actually commiting unless other people think's scum too because(Meta) in his last game(Witchcraft III) he gave much more structure and reasons for his reads than he did this game so far I wondering if it's alignment indicative or not. so you still have no scum reads of your own. shocker. It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out.
i don't care about any of that.
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On June 18 2015 02:18 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:13 KelsierSC wrote:
also LS what do you mean by shockey has a low chance of slipping scum? that makes no fucking sense when people, myself included have brought up scummy aspects about his play. and other people in town like nydus also agree. you think new players don't role scum or something? I mean flipping scum obviously -_-
that is what i mean aswell, it was a typo.
what do you mean by he has a low chance of flipping scum.
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On June 18 2015 02:21 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:19 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:18 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:13 KelsierSC wrote:
also LS what do you mean by shockey has a low chance of slipping scum? that makes no fucking sense when people, myself included have brought up scummy aspects about his play. and other people in town like nydus also agree. you think new players don't role scum or something? I mean flipping scum obviously -_- that is what i mean aswell, it was a typo. what do you mean by he has a low chance of flipping scum. Like I can see some of his posts being from town but there was some questionables posts mainly his list post it felt weird esp I gave a meta quote from his last game on his early reads and stuff and it seemed much more insightful and structure than his list post this game but keep in mind I only played with him once.
There are several reasons for him being scummy, and town players calling him scum. so why does he have a low chance, who has a higher chance, why didn't you mention these scum reads of yours ? if he is your top scum read then why do you put this stupid fucking disclaimer in your post.
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On June 18 2015 02:22 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
Hf
Why is your read on me so wishy washy?
The tone of your posts flips from townreading to scumreading pretty much every other post. You're not pressuring a soul but the afk.
bugs we're not lynching me. Find a better target Thoughts on Shockeyy so far?
she already gave thoughts, are you just not reading the thread ?
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On June 18 2015 02:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
WAIT WAIT WAIT
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On June 18 2015 02:27 Fidei86 wrote:
I just did a filter dive on Kelsier, and I have to say this is some of the most obnoxious BM I've come across in Mafia so far. I mean, I've sworn before in posts, but not that much. I don't think it's a great way to play, but I can't think that a Mafia would draw that much attention to themselves unnecessarily. I give him a town read, unless anyone has any meta input if they've played with him before?
thanks for your valuable insight
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On June 18 2015 02:29 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:25 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:07 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:01 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 01:49 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 01:48 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel? ##unvote
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I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3 lol no Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack. now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why? also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it. You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway. I see him as a newer player which is also why I hesitant on actually commiting unless other people think's scum too because(Meta) in his last game(Witchcraft III) he gave much more structure and reasons for his reads than he did this game so far I wondering if it's alignment indicative or not. The first thing someone said about shockey is that he's not new he has 5 previous games in the database. You also give plenty of reasons to call him mafia so why are you waiting for other people before you do a push on him?? Are you saying your meta is wrong because if it's correct your read should be much stronger. I don't have the best track record when it comes to reading newbies correctly (See Newbie LX).
ok but he isn't a newbie
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On June 18 2015 02:32 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:30 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:29 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:25 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:07 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:01 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 01:49 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 01:48 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel? ##unvote
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I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3 lol no Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack. now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why? also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it. You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway. I see him as a newer player which is also why I hesitant on actually commiting unless other people think's scum too because(Meta) in his last game(Witchcraft III) he gave much more structure and reasons for his reads than he did this game so far I wondering if it's alignment indicative or not. The first thing someone said about shockey is that he's not new he has 5 previous games in the database. You also give plenty of reasons to call him mafia so why are you waiting for other people before you do a push on him?? Are you saying your meta is wrong because if it's correct your read should be much stronger. I don't have the best track record when it comes to reading newbies correctly (See Newbie LX). ok but he isn't a newbie Not exactly a experience player either :O Anyways this some people do think shockeyy might be scum I think maybe he is going to flip therefore I will vote him now until people tell me a better target. ##Vote: Shockeyy
ok why the change specifically to this since you went from the "he's okayish" "he has "a low chance to flip scum" and now you are voting him.
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On June 18 2015 02:38 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:37 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:32 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:30 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:29 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:25 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:07 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:01 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 01:49 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 01:48 KelsierSC wrote:
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I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3 lol no Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack. He is my strongest scumread even though it's a bit weak but it better than nothing. now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why? also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it. You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway. I see him as a newer player which is also why I hesitant on actually commiting unless other people think's scum too because(Meta) in his last game(Witchcraft III) he gave much more structure and reasons for his reads than he did this game so far I wondering if it's alignment indicative or not. The first thing someone said about shockey is that he's not new he has 5 previous games in the database. You also give plenty of reasons to call him mafia so why are you waiting for other people before you do a push on him?? Are you saying your meta is wrong because if it's correct your read should be much stronger. I don't have the best track record when it comes to reading newbies correctly (See Newbie LX). ok but he isn't a newbie Not exactly a experience player either :O Anyways this some people do think shockeyy might be scum I think maybe he is going to flip therefore I will vote him now until people tell me a better target. ##Vote: Shockeyy ok why the change specifically to this since you went from the "he's okayish" "he has "a low chance to flip scum" and now you are voting him.
that isn't an answer you need to actually go into why things changed so drastically not "i asked people's opinion"
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He still my strongest scumread although weakish on meta but it better than nothing at this point. tell me why he wont flip scum?
is that your response to me?
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On June 18 2015 02:42 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:40 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 02:34 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:31 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 02:28 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:24 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 02:22 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
Hf
Why is your read on me so wishy washy?
The tone of your posts flips from townreading to scumreading pretty much every other post. You're not pressuring a soul but the afk.
bugs we're not lynching me. Find a better target Thoughts on Shockeyy so far? Later. If you're impatient read my filter You think scum from what I read in your filter O_o Didn't like his list post, agree with damdy that town generally does the fuck off type posting though, so scumlean but not the most interesting person in the thread to me presently Well I posted a quote that was listish post which was his first reads of the game what you think of it compared his list post this game? Dude i'm on my phone. You know i'm going to want to follow up in the thrwas that was posted in. This has to wait until I get home tonight I can wait for you I guess just sheep me when you come back?
WHY ARE YOU ASKING HER TO SHEEP YOU WHEN YOU WANTED HER OPINION ON SHOCKEYY BEFORE YOU VOTED FOR HIM
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On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:42 KelsierSC wrote: He still my strongest scumread although weakish on meta but it better than nothing at this point. tell me why he wont flip scum?
is that your response to me? Correct.
ok you clearly aren't reading the thread as i'm one of the main proponents of shockeyy being scum.
You need to explain how you changed from shockey being "low chance to flip," "okayish" to now you voting on him. what opinion changed it and how.
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On June 18 2015 02:44 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:43 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:42 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:40 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 02:34 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:31 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 02:28 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:24 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 02:22 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
Hf
Why is your read on me so wishy washy?
The tone of your posts flips from townreading to scumreading pretty much every other post. You're not pressuring a soul but the afk.
bugs we're not lynching me. Find a better target Thoughts on Shockeyy so far? Later. If you're impatient read my filter You think scum from what I read in your filter O_o Didn't like his list post, agree with damdy that town generally does the fuck off type posting though, so scumlean but not the most interesting person in the thread to me presently Well I posted a quote that was listish post which was his first reads of the game what you think of it compared his list post this game? Dude i'm on my phone. You know i'm going to want to follow up in the thrwas that was posted in. This has to wait until I get home tonight I can wait for you I guess just sheep me when you come back? WHY ARE YOU ASKING HER TO SHEEP YOU WHEN YOU WANTED HER OPINION ON SHOCKEYY BEFORE YOU VOTED FOR HIM Why not? She did say a answer to me to look at her filter she didn't like his list post hence I told her to sheep me.
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because you didn't know about shockey, she said she was unsure/scumlean and now you are saying "well you being unsure is a good enough reason for me to vote this shockeyy guy" you had better follow me
it doesn't make any fucking sense.
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On June 18 2015 02:46 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:44 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:42 KelsierSC wrote: He still my strongest scumread although weakish on meta but it better than nothing at this point. tell me why he wont flip scum?
is that your response to me? Correct. ok you clearly aren't reading the thread as i'm one of the main proponents of shockeyy being scum. You need to explain how you changed from shockey being "low chance to flip," "okayish" to now you voting on him. what opinion changed it and how. People reassuring that he could be scum (NHM and others) and he was the strongest scumread and decided to just vote him now since people reassuring me on it also HF told me if I feel so strongly about just vote him O_o
but you didn't feel strongly about it at all as he had a "low chance"
who are the others it was me and NHM, I had already posted a bunch of stuff about shockeyy when you decided he looked okayish and probably wouldn't flip scum.
rsoultin was "unsure" and you are asking her to sheep you
so you just wanted nydus to post his reason which was pretty much what I had said already? so your "consideration of opinions" is just if nydus said it then it must be true?
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On June 18 2015 02:54 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:48 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:46 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:44 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:42 KelsierSC wrote: He still my strongest scumread although weakish on meta but it better than nothing at this point. tell me why he wont flip scum?
is that your response to me? Correct. ok you clearly aren't reading the thread as i'm one of the main proponents of shockeyy being scum. You need to explain how you changed from shockey being "low chance to flip," "okayish" to now you voting on him. what opinion changed it and how. People reassuring that he could be scum (NHM and others) and he was the strongest scumread and decided to just vote him now since people reassuring me on it also HF told me if I feel so strongly about just vote him O_o but you didn't feel strongly about it at all as he had a "low chance" who are the others it was me and NHM, I had already posted a bunch of stuff about shockeyy when you decided he looked okayish and probably wouldn't flip scum. rsoultin was "unsure" and you are asking her to sheep you so you just wanted nydus to post his reason which was pretty much what I had said already? so your "consideration of opinions" is just if nydus said it then it must be true? You and Nydus plus HF said they didn't like his list post I agreed with you guys on that for the most part there and felt like a different tone than last game I played with him too in some of his posts.
Well I had already said that before you came across saying he was ok. Nydus actually didn't mind the list post at all and that isn't the reason he is voting shockey
I kind of liked that he gave a lot of reads at first but the way he's talking about his wife's birthday, etc. It just feels kind of fake to me and it feels like he's trying to make an excuse as to why he's posting so scummy (to people who thought his post was scummy). Gives me a very weird vibe.
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On June 18 2015 03:00 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:57 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:54 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:48 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:46 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:44 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:42 KelsierSC wrote: He still my strongest scumread although weakish on meta but it better than nothing at this point. tell me why he wont flip scum?
is that your response to me? Correct. ok you clearly aren't reading the thread as i'm one of the main proponents of shockeyy being scum. You need to explain how you changed from shockey being "low chance to flip," "okayish" to now you voting on him. what opinion changed it and how. People reassuring that he could be scum (NHM and others) and he was the strongest scumread and decided to just vote him now since people reassuring me on it also HF told me if I feel so strongly about just vote him O_o but you didn't feel strongly about it at all as he had a "low chance" who are the others it was me and NHM, I had already posted a bunch of stuff about shockeyy when you decided he looked okayish and probably wouldn't flip scum. rsoultin was "unsure" and you are asking her to sheep you so you just wanted nydus to post his reason which was pretty much what I had said already? so your "consideration of opinions" is just if nydus said it then it must be true? You and Nydus plus HF said they didn't like his list post I agreed with you guys on that for the most part there and felt like a different tone than last game I played with him too in some of his posts. Well I had already said that before you came across saying he was ok. Nydus actually didn't mind the list post at all and that isn't the reason he is voting shockey I kind of liked that he gave a lot of reads at first but the way he's talking about his wife's birthday, etc. It just feels kind of fake to me and it feels like he's trying to make an excuse as to why he's posting so scummy (to people who thought his post was scummy). Gives me a very weird vibe. Then vote him with me then? We both think he's scum and so does Nydus why not vote him?
is this really all you have to say to my questions? You said shockey was "okish" and had a "low chance to flip scum". now you have apparently seen things differently.
I already gave my reasons when you had called him ok.
You got the wrong reasons for why nydus called him scummy, it wasn't to do with the list post at all.
Rsoultin was unsure and you then told her to sheep you, which was the stupidest thing I have ever seen.
So how did this change of opinion come about?
you haven't been reading the thread properly as shown by your questioning. you have just vomitted into the thread tried to call everyone town, post links to bullshit games no one cares about. now you are stuck in a trap.
100% mafia.
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On June 18 2015 02:39 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:38 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:37 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:32 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:30 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:29 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:25 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:07 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:01 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 01:49 LightningStrike wrote:
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I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3 lol no Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack. He is my strongest scumread even though it's a bit weak but it better than nothing. now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why? also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it. You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway. I see him as a newer player which is also why I hesitant on actually commiting unless other people think's scum too because(Meta) in his last game(Witchcraft III) he gave much more structure and reasons for his reads than he did this game so far I wondering if it's alignment indicative or not. The first thing someone said about shockey is that he's not new he has 5 previous games in the database. You also give plenty of reasons to call him mafia so why are you waiting for other people before you do a push on him?? Are you saying your meta is wrong because if it's correct your read should be much stronger. I don't have the best track record when it comes to reading newbies correctly (See Newbie LX). ok but he isn't a newbie Not exactly a experience player either :O Anyways this some people do think shockeyy might be scum I think maybe he is going to flip therefore I will vote him now until people tell me a better target. ##Vote: Shockeyy ok why the change specifically to this since you went from the "he's okayish" "he has "a low chance to flip scum" and now you are voting him. He still my strongest scumread although weakish on meta but it better than nothing at this point. tell me why he wont flip scum?
I still can't get over this question. I am one of the leaders of the shockeyy is scum idea, and you ask me this.
ADDITIONALLY you said he had a low chance to flip scum so why the fuck are you asking that question to me. surely you are the one with the answer.
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On June 18 2015 03:45 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 03:40 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 03:00 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:57 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:54 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:48 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:46 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:44 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:42 KelsierSC wrote:
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is that your response to me?
Correct. ok you clearly aren't reading the thread as i'm one of the main proponents of shockeyy being scum. You need to explain how you changed from shockey being "low chance to flip," "okayish" to now you voting on him. what opinion changed it and how. People reassuring that he could be scum (NHM and others) and he was the strongest scumread and decided to just vote him now since people reassuring me on it also HF told me if I feel so strongly about just vote him O_o but you didn't feel strongly about it at all as he had a "low chance" who are the others it was me and NHM, I had already posted a bunch of stuff about shockeyy when you decided he looked okayish and probably wouldn't flip scum. rsoultin was "unsure" and you are asking her to sheep you so you just wanted nydus to post his reason which was pretty much what I had said already? so your "consideration of opinions" is just if nydus said it then it must be true? You and Nydus plus HF said they didn't like his list post I agreed with you guys on that for the most part there and felt like a different tone than last game I played with him too in some of his posts. Well I had already said that before you came across saying he was ok. Nydus actually didn't mind the list post at all and that isn't the reason he is voting shockey I kind of liked that he gave a lot of reads at first but the way he's talking about his wife's birthday, etc. It just feels kind of fake to me and it feels like he's trying to make an excuse as to why he's posting so scummy (to people who thought his post was scummy). Gives me a very weird vibe. Then vote him with me then? We both think he's scum and so does Nydus why not vote him? is this really all you have to say to my questions? You said shockey was "okish" and had a "low chance to flip scum". now you have apparently seen things differently. I already gave my reasons when you had called him ok. You got the wrong reasons for why nydus called him scummy, it wasn't to do with the list post at all. Rsoultin was unsure and you then told her to sheep you, which was the stupidest thing I have ever seen. So how did this change of opinion come about? you haven't been reading the thread properly as shown by your questioning. you have just vomitted into the thread tried to call everyone town, post links to bullshit games no one cares about. now you are stuck in a trap. 100% mafia. I felt more confident about him being scum after talking to others about him O_o
...but you haven't explained how and you can't because it is complete bullshit whatever you ahve to say
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On June 18 2015 03:46 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 03:45 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:39 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:38 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:37 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:32 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:30 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:29 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:25 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:07 LightningStrike wrote:
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I see him as a newer player which is also why I hesitant on actually commiting unless other people think's scum too because(Meta) in his last game(Witchcraft III) he gave much more structure and reasons for his reads than he did this game so far I wondering if it's alignment indicative or not. The first thing someone said about shockey is that he's not new he has 5 previous games in the database. You also give plenty of reasons to call him mafia so why are you waiting for other people before you do a push on him?? Are you saying your meta is wrong because if it's correct your read should be much stronger. I don't have the best track record when it comes to reading newbies correctly (See Newbie LX). ok but he isn't a newbie Not exactly a experience player either :O Anyways this some people do think shockeyy might be scum I think maybe he is going to flip therefore I will vote him now until people tell me a better target. ##Vote: Shockeyy ok why the change specifically to this since you went from the "he's okayish" "he has "a low chance to flip scum" and now you are voting him. He still my strongest scumread although weakish on meta but it better than nothing at this point. tell me why he wont flip scum? I still can't get over this question. I am one of the leaders of the shockeyy is scum idea, and you ask me this. ADDITIONALLY you said he had a low chance to flip scum so why the fuck are you asking that question to me. surely you are the one with the answer. He got better chances than the active players here of being scum I feel but it is kinda weak reasoning on meta.
that isn't what I asked you at all.
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On June 18 2015 03:49 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 03:46 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 03:45 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 03:40 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 03:00 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:57 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:54 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:48 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:46 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:44 KelsierSC wrote:
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ok you clearly aren't reading the thread as i'm one of the main proponents of shockeyy being scum.
You need to explain how you changed from shockey being "low chance to flip," "okayish" to now you voting on him. what opinion changed it and how. People reassuring that he could be scum (NHM and others) and he was the strongest scumread and decided to just vote him now since people reassuring me on it also HF told me if I feel so strongly about just vote him O_o but you didn't feel strongly about it at all as he had a "low chance" who are the others it was me and NHM, I had already posted a bunch of stuff about shockeyy when you decided he looked okayish and probably wouldn't flip scum. rsoultin was "unsure" and you are asking her to sheep you so you just wanted nydus to post his reason which was pretty much what I had said already? so your "consideration of opinions" is just if nydus said it then it must be true? You and Nydus plus HF said they didn't like his list post I agreed with you guys on that for the most part there and felt like a different tone than last game I played with him too in some of his posts. Well I had already said that before you came across saying he was ok. Nydus actually didn't mind the list post at all and that isn't the reason he is voting shockey I kind of liked that he gave a lot of reads at first but the way he's talking about his wife's birthday, etc. It just feels kind of fake to me and it feels like he's trying to make an excuse as to why he's posting so scummy (to people who thought his post was scummy). Gives me a very weird vibe. Then vote him with me then? We both think he's scum and so does Nydus why not vote him? is this really all you have to say to my questions? You said shockey was "okish" and had a "low chance to flip scum". now you have apparently seen things differently. I already gave my reasons when you had called him ok. You got the wrong reasons for why nydus called him scummy, it wasn't to do with the list post at all. Rsoultin was unsure and you then told her to sheep you, which was the stupidest thing I have ever seen. So how did this change of opinion come about? you haven't been reading the thread properly as shown by your questioning. you have just vomitted into the thread tried to call everyone town, post links to bullshit games no one cares about. now you are stuck in a trap. 100% mafia. I felt more confident about him being scum after talking to others about him O_o ...but you haven't explained how and you can't because it is complete bullshit whatever you ahve to say Some of his seems like I could see it coming from as town like his questioning but for the most part I didn't like his list post and he could be faking about the wife thing as a excuse to not do much at all.
so basically you are happy to change from "low chance to flip scum" to "vote this guy", "sheep me" because nydus said so?
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On June 18 2015 03:50 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 03:48 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 18 2015 03:46 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 03:40 NydusHerMain wrote:
Ignore me and you're probably not making it to tomorrow because I'm pretty fucking towny and despite being a newbie, I'd like to think that I have decent sway today. just ignore her back she loves it i'm sorry if we've caused unnecessary confusion with the votes but they are just sitting afk on rsoultin due to sheer lazyness so treat like 3/4 of them as not real votes the people that i'd likely lynch today will be: the person that gets replaced boxerfred possibly va but i'll have to have a think about that notreallysureaboutlshe'sgivingmedemweirdfeels Wouldn't MiG be the one getting replaced since he has 0 posts? And I see.... either mig or bill murray yeh the reason is that they both had to have /confirmed to play the game and doing that meant they had time to play, hts just asked for only ONE replacement near the start of the game which likely meant someone got their role pm and was like fuck this lets replace
HtS gave a list of 4 and BM was the last one crossed off I'm pretty sure , that's your reason for voting him I thought.
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On June 18 2015 03:51 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 03:50 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 03:49 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 03:46 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 03:45 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 03:40 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 03:00 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:57 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:54 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:48 KelsierSC wrote:
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but you didn't feel strongly about it at all as he had a "low chance"
who are the others it was me and NHM, I had already posted a bunch of stuff about shockeyy when you decided he looked okayish and probably wouldn't flip scum.
rsoultin was "unsure" and you are asking her to sheep you
so you just wanted nydus to post his reason which was pretty much what I had said already? so your "consideration of opinions" is just if nydus said it then it must be true? You and Nydus plus HF said they didn't like his list post I agreed with you guys on that for the most part there and felt like a different tone than last game I played with him too in some of his posts. Well I had already said that before you came across saying he was ok. Nydus actually didn't mind the list post at all and that isn't the reason he is voting shockey I kind of liked that he gave a lot of reads at first but the way he's talking about his wife's birthday, etc. It just feels kind of fake to me and it feels like he's trying to make an excuse as to why he's posting so scummy (to people who thought his post was scummy). Gives me a very weird vibe. Then vote him with me then? We both think he's scum and so does Nydus why not vote him? is this really all you have to say to my questions? You said shockey was "okish" and had a "low chance to flip scum". now you have apparently seen things differently. I already gave my reasons when you had called him ok. You got the wrong reasons for why nydus called him scummy, it wasn't to do with the list post at all. Rsoultin was unsure and you then told her to sheep you, which was the stupidest thing I have ever seen. So how did this change of opinion come about? you haven't been reading the thread properly as shown by your questioning. you have just vomitted into the thread tried to call everyone town, post links to bullshit games no one cares about. now you are stuck in a trap. 100% mafia. I felt more confident about him being scum after talking to others about him O_o ...but you haven't explained how and you can't because it is complete bullshit whatever you ahve to say Some of his seems like I could see it coming from as town like his questioning but for the most part I didn't like his list post and he could be faking about the wife thing as a excuse to not do much at all. so basically you are happy to change from "low chance to flip scum" to "vote this guy", "sheep me" because nydus said so? Nydus, HF, and you(I had like a mind meld with Nydus on some stuff) and thought he was scummy myself.
you can't use my name because I gave all my shit on shockey beforehand when you said he was "okayish and had a low chance to flip"
Nydus you got wrong what he actually said , you said he didn't like the list post, only now are you adding this wife thing.
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I'm going to leave this for now but I think i've made it quite clear that LS is scum and you should be voting for him if you're town.
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On June 18 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 03:54 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm going to leave this for now but I think i've made it quite clear that LS is scum and you should be voting for him if you're town.
I not I blue :O
what..the..fuck.
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On June 18 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 03:54 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm going to leave this for now but I think i've made it quite clear that LS is scum and you should be voting for him if you're town.
I not I blue :O
you're not actually a blue because no blue would be that stupid.
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On June 18 2015 03:59 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 03:58 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 03:54 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm going to leave this for now but I think i've made it quite clear that LS is scum and you should be voting for him if you're town.
I not I blue :O you're not actually a blue because no blue would be that stupid. I actually named VT weather you like it or not. I had claimed blue easly in my games as blue in the past.
this claim is bullshit
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On June 18 2015 04:02 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 03:58 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 03:54 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm going to leave this for now but I think i've made it quite clear that LS is scum and you should be voting for him if you're town.
I not I blue :O you're not actually a blue because no blue would be that stupid. he's claimed blue as blue almost every time someone randomly pressures him
I don't believe him at all, no reason to claim there if he was a blue at all.
no one is that fucking stupid
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On June 18 2015 04:05 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 04:02 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 03:58 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 03:54 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm going to leave this for now but I think i've made it quite clear that LS is scum and you should be voting for him if you're town.
I not I blue :O you're not actually a blue because no blue would be that stupid. he's claimed blue as blue almost every time someone randomly pressures him
well then he's horrible and should stop playing the game.
Look at his play this game he has been so scummy, look at all the stuff I brought up about him.
Then for no reason he goes
"i'm blue" no one would claim there it's like over a day till we even lynch
you should all still vote this guy, don't let him get away with this shit.
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On June 18 2015 04:09 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 03:58 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 03:54 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm going to leave this for now but I think i've made it quite clear that LS is scum and you should be voting for him if you're town.
I not I blue :O you're not actually a blue because no blue would be that stupid. ah yes, the "dumb = scum" trap Ironically I think this is a dumb thing for you to say. Although your anger comes off really fake to me...why must the worst people in the game be the hardest to read?
It is best if you go back to your stance of not talking to me.
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w/e i'm going to go relax for a bit
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On June 18 2015 05:04 Holyflare wrote:
like the only people to comment on boxerfreds posts are nydus and rsoultin, shame on all of you
I was frying my own mafia
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On June 18 2015 05:06 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 05:05 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 05:04 Holyflare wrote:
like the only people to comment on boxerfreds posts are nydus and rsoultin, shame on all of you I was frying my own mafia who turned out to be very likely town :D either way, chop chop!
he isn't town
we can lynch shockey aswell.
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On June 18 2015 05:09 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 02:44 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:38 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 02:33 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:27 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 02:23 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
Hf
Why is your read on me so wishy washy?
The tone of your posts flips from townreading to scumreading pretty much every other post. You're not pressuring a soul but the afk.
bugs we're not lynching me. Find a better target How is my read wishy washy in the slightest? and if you don't think I'm pressuring anyone i suggest you read the game again Kindly show me this pressure. Cause you're definitely doing nothing to figure out my alignment if that's what you're about to reference. If you.feel.strongly enough about it to not probe further you're not pursuing your read/push with any vigor, and if you're not referring to me you're being even less effective. you definitely haven't read the thread then, i just started pushing boxerfred for his atrocious post and even then if you ignore that you agreed with my would lynch list and if you agreed with my list then you'd realise that none of the people in that list are in the game really at the moment if you're craving my attention you'll be sorely disappointed ![[image loading]](http://media.giphy.com/media/4wAO1N5uusbMQ/giphy.gif)
OMGUS I don't really care about one way or the otheryour list was okay cause it was mostly nullish players but it was boring Admittedly i'm wary of nd cause he doesn't know well and defensible when i'm the leading wagon makes my skin itch...ironically it's the strongest reason I can find to towmread you right now too... which needless to say is weak as shit If you think it's omgus then you do not understand what that term means in the slightest. He's done several scummy things in one post: a) picked something out at random and called it scummy for the sake of calling something scummy b) made a false timeline of events c) decided to ignore the actual reasons for the post and take the post of out context d) negate his entire post by asking a redundant meta question I don't believe he read the thread and pulled out that one post and was like "oh hey, that's the scummiest thing i've seen so far", it looks incredibly like he had to enter into the thread with something game related and picked out a person with spammy small posts and had to make a scum read on them it was super forced Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 03:03 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:56 rsoultin wrote:Done now i'm erasing posts HF I'm town Votes say leading wagon Bf defends me and attacks your read But he just add the thread and hasn't read my filter to know if your.read has merit or not? How is this.escaping you? how does you being an unflipped alignment mean anything
how does you being the leading wagon mean anything
bf didn't defend you he attacked me
he said he read the thread but if he read the thread then he wouldn't be confused about a timeline so simple as my vote -> that small postnone of this is relevant to what i'm saying at all either, he doesn't need to read your filter or my filter or anyone's filter or any part of the game to realise that that post is just not scummy in the slightest if you make a read that is categorically false and i correct it and say you're actually a liar in what world is that scummy? no worlds that's why if he got it wrong fair enough but i CORRECTED him and he still maintained that it was scummy and had to do with whether i knew my meta or not which is wholly irrelevant and if he still got it wrong in his head the meta point completely invalidates his entire read -.- and i don't know why you're defending him either but if you make the argument that he is purely going after me because you were the leading wagon then why on earth would he pick my posts out (that make the most sense) over people's votes that didn't make any sense (gb literally quoted my post and voted you which should be far scummier to bf than my original pots if he thinks that post is scummy), va just voted you with no posts quoted at all etc etc etc reasons Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 04:26 Holyflare wrote:
so boxerfreds 2 hours has long past
##unvote
##vote boxerfred
it's not bad but LS or shockey is better.
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On June 18 2015 05:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 05:10 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 05:09 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:44 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:38 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 02:33 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:27 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 02:23 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
Hf
Why is your read on me so wishy washy?
The tone of your posts flips from townreading to scumreading pretty much every other post. You're not pressuring a soul but the afk.
bugs we're not lynching me. Find a better target How is my read wishy washy in the slightest? and if you don't think I'm pressuring anyone i suggest you read the game again Kindly show me this pressure. Cause you're definitely doing nothing to figure out my alignment if that's what you're about to reference. If you.feel.strongly enough about it to not probe further you're not pursuing your read/push with any vigor, and if you're not referring to me you're being even less effective. you definitely haven't read the thread then, i just started pushing boxerfred for his atrocious post and even then if you ignore that you agreed with my would lynch list and if you agreed with my list then you'd realise that none of the people in that list are in the game really at the moment if you're craving my attention you'll be sorely disappointed
OMGUS I don't really care about one way or the otheryour list was okay cause it was mostly nullish players but it was boring Admittedly i'm wary of nd cause he doesn't know well and defensible when i'm the leading wagon makes my skin itch...ironically it's the strongest reason I can find to towmread you right now too... which needless to say is weak as shit If you think it's omgus then you do not understand what that term means in the slightest. He's done several scummy things in one post: a) picked something out at random and called it scummy for the sake of calling something scummy b) made a false timeline of events c) decided to ignore the actual reasons for the post and take the post of out context d) negate his entire post by asking a redundant meta question I don't believe he read the thread and pulled out that one post and was like "oh hey, that's the scummiest thing i've seen so far", it looks incredibly like he had to enter into the thread with something game related and picked out a person with spammy small posts and had to make a scum read on them it was super forced On June 18 2015 03:03 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:56 rsoultin wrote:Done now i'm erasing posts HF I'm town Votes say leading wagon Bf defends me and attacks your read But he just add the thread and hasn't read my filter to know if your.read has merit or not? How is this.escaping you? how does you being an unflipped alignment mean anything
how does you being the leading wagon mean anything
bf didn't defend you he attacked me
he said he read the thread but if he read the thread then he wouldn't be confused about a timeline so simple as my vote -> that small postnone of this is relevant to what i'm saying at all either, he doesn't need to read your filter or my filter or anyone's filter or any part of the game to realise that that post is just not scummy in the slightest if you make a read that is categorically false and i correct it and say you're actually a liar in what world is that scummy? no worlds that's why if he got it wrong fair enough but i CORRECTED him and he still maintained that it was scummy and had to do with whether i knew my meta or not which is wholly irrelevant and if he still got it wrong in his head the meta point completely invalidates his entire read -.- and i don't know why you're defending him either but if you make the argument that he is purely going after me because you were the leading wagon then why on earth would he pick my posts out (that make the most sense) over people's votes that didn't make any sense (gb literally quoted my post and voted you which should be far scummier to bf than my original pots if he thinks that post is scummy), va just voted you with no posts quoted at all etc etc etc reasons On June 18 2015 04:26 Holyflare wrote:
so boxerfreds 2 hours has long past
##unvote
##vote boxerfred it's not bad but LS or shockey is better. no qualms with that
seriously LS has played incredibly scummy and he just claims named VT, the easiest thing to claim tbh and everyone is like well fuck he must be town then.
It boggles my mind no one would do that as town. Unless they are actually the most mentally subnormal cretin to ever play mafia.
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On June 18 2015 05:16 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 05:15 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 05:12 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 05:10 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 05:09 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:44 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:38 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 02:33 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:27 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 02:23 Holyflare wrote:
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How is my read wishy washy in the slightest? and if you don't think I'm pressuring anyone i suggest you read the game again Kindly show me this pressure. Cause you're definitely doing nothing to figure out my alignment if that's what you're about to reference. If you.feel.strongly enough about it to not probe further you're not pursuing your read/push with any vigor, and if you're not referring to me you're being even less effective. you definitely haven't read the thread then, i just started pushing boxerfred for his atrocious post and even then if you ignore that you agreed with my would lynch list and if you agreed with my list then you'd realise that none of the people in that list are in the game really at the moment if you're craving my attention you'll be sorely disappointed
OMGUS I don't really care about one way or the otheryour list was okay cause it was mostly nullish players but it was boring Admittedly i'm wary of nd cause he doesn't know well and defensible when i'm the leading wagon makes my skin itch...ironically it's the strongest reason I can find to towmread you right now too... which needless to say is weak as shit If you think it's omgus then you do not understand what that term means in the slightest. He's done several scummy things in one post: a) picked something out at random and called it scummy for the sake of calling something scummy b) made a false timeline of events c) decided to ignore the actual reasons for the post and take the post of out context d) negate his entire post by asking a redundant meta question I don't believe he read the thread and pulled out that one post and was like "oh hey, that's the scummiest thing i've seen so far", it looks incredibly like he had to enter into the thread with something game related and picked out a person with spammy small posts and had to make a scum read on them it was super forced On June 18 2015 03:03 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:56 rsoultin wrote:Done now i'm erasing posts HF I'm town Votes say leading wagon Bf defends me and attacks your read But he just add the thread and hasn't read my filter to know if your.read has merit or not? How is this.escaping you? how does you being an unflipped alignment mean anything
how does you being the leading wagon mean anything
bf didn't defend you he attacked me
he said he read the thread but if he read the thread then he wouldn't be confused about a timeline so simple as my vote -> that small postnone of this is relevant to what i'm saying at all either, he doesn't need to read your filter or my filter or anyone's filter or any part of the game to realise that that post is just not scummy in the slightest if you make a read that is categorically false and i correct it and say you're actually a liar in what world is that scummy? no worlds that's why if he got it wrong fair enough but i CORRECTED him and he still maintained that it was scummy and had to do with whether i knew my meta or not which is wholly irrelevant and if he still got it wrong in his head the meta point completely invalidates his entire read -.- and i don't know why you're defending him either but if you make the argument that he is purely going after me because you were the leading wagon then why on earth would he pick my posts out (that make the most sense) over people's votes that didn't make any sense (gb literally quoted my post and voted you which should be far scummier to bf than my original pots if he thinks that post is scummy), va just voted you with no posts quoted at all etc etc etc reasons On June 18 2015 04:26 Holyflare wrote:
so boxerfreds 2 hours has long past
##unvote
##vote boxerfred it's not bad but LS or shockey is better. no qualms with that seriously LS has played incredibly scummy and he just claims named VT, the easiest thing to claim tbh and everyone is like well fuck he must be town then. It boggles my mind no one would do that as town. Unless they are actually the most mentally subnormal cretin to ever play mafia. and the circle of life continues and it's the same every game and we all get angry for the same reasons and then it happens in the next game too
Fine, i'll see what happens next day and lynch him then. I'm fine with a shockey lynch today.
Your bf case is ok, it does feel like someone felt they "had to have" something for the thread and just called someone mafia then went looking for reasons.
I think the shockey case is better though
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back from showering
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too many scummy actions , inconsistencies and not reading the thread for me to let this go.
I have some reading to do, I might read WBG aswell and see if he is still mafia.
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On June 18 2015 06:16 LightningStrike wrote:
I actually starting to like Mig a little bit his first posts he actually brought something original to the table regarding GB :O
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this bf thing ... i think the scum read he gave on you, hf, is bad.
I also think If i'm reading the thread it is pretty obvious that your response is not to rsol's large post just above it.
his absence from the thread is probably more telling than the case itself. It feels like he felt that he had to post something and just vomited a read and then left.
If he returns maybe there will be more to judge him on but i'd happily lynch him.
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WBG I read some of what you posted and I see you went to a lot of trouble so.
I've questioned and pushed LS very hard and in my opinion I highlighted aspects of his play that were scummy.
his calling everyone town, not reading the thread, his whole debacle around shockey.
then you add in how he flipped the read on shockey to call him mafia and the inconsistent parts around that.
I feel LS is mafia, when he claimed blue I felt I had him in the noose, he was trying to dodge the pressure and avoid being lynched. I think if he is town he can work his way out of that spot.
I also think my push on shockey was pretty strong.
You have basically said i'm doing fuck all and not reading..I disagree with this completely and I don't think you truly believe it either.
With regards to the anger thing. Assassination mafia I was cop, it was a tightly controlled game. I was on good behaviour. This game it's less tight and i'm kind of pissed off RL.
If you want to ask me some questions then I will answer in a civil manner for the benefit of the thread.
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I have a few questions for you in return
1) do you still think i'm scum given the responses in the thread
2) when I was questioning LS you had chances to speak up and defend the "clear town" but you didn't. You only spoke after he claimed and diverted pressure onto me. why didn't you speak earlier?
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On June 18 2015 06:30 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote:Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim? Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time. Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game. When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out. And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town). Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games. LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum? I don't got anything original sorry Maybe Boxer his posts seemed pretty weird esp because it looked like he didn't really read the thread when he posted which more likely to come from scum. Also HF because here another rule about rsoultin: If one of HF or rsoultin is scum they don't get along which has been proven to be correct for the most part I townreading rsultin therefore he would be the scum by the rule. Also the LYLO rule about her is actually accurate she for the most part now being night killed at night 1 and night 2 as town so when she reaches LYLO she is scum. I willing to take the blame of town!shockeyy lynch if he flips town but I believe he will flip red.
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On June 18 2015 01:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly Boxerfred is new HF give it some time bro like Bugs said he only started playing Mafia recently :O
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On June 18 2015 06:40 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 06:36 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 06:30 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote:Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim? Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time. Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game. When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out. And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town). Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games. LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum? I don't got anything original sorry Maybe Boxer his posts seemed pretty weird esp because it looked like he didn't really read the thread when he posted which more likely to come from scum. Also HF because here another rule about rsoultin: If one of HF or rsoultin is scum they don't get along which has been proven to be correct for the most part I townreading rsultin therefore he would be the scum by the rule. Also the LYLO rule about her is actually accurate she for the most part now being night killed at night 1 and night 2 as town so when she reaches LYLO she is scum. I willing to take the blame of town!shockeyy lynch if he flips town but I believe he will flip red. What happened to this On June 18 2015 01:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly Boxerfred is new HF give it some time bro like Bugs said he only started playing Mafia recently :O Honestly I decided to reread Boxer's filter after Mig commented about Boxer's stuff about timing and failing to deliver but I think if Boxer is town he will clear it up soonish but if he scum he prob wont do anything.
you decided to re-read after mig commented on it...yeh I guess he is the only one who brought it up??
you said boxer is newish so why is he scum not new now?
when hf pinged him out you defended bf because he was a new player but what has changed, the posts are still the same.
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On June 18 2015 06:46 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 06:44 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 06:40 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 06:36 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 06:30 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote:Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim? Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time. Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game. When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out. And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town). Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games. LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum? I don't got anything original sorry Maybe Boxer his posts seemed pretty weird esp because it looked like he didn't really read the thread when he posted which more likely to come from scum. Also HF because here another rule about rsoultin: If one of HF or rsoultin is scum they don't get along which has been proven to be correct for the most part I townreading rsultin therefore he would be the scum by the rule. Also the LYLO rule about her is actually accurate she for the most part now being night killed at night 1 and night 2 as town so when she reaches LYLO she is scum. I willing to take the blame of town!shockeyy lynch if he flips town but I believe he will flip red. What happened to this On June 18 2015 01:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly Boxerfred is new HF give it some time bro like Bugs said he only started playing Mafia recently :O Honestly I decided to reread Boxer's filter after Mig commented about Boxer's stuff about timing and failing to deliver but I think if Boxer is town he will clear it up soonish but if he scum he prob wont do anything. you decided to re-read after mig commented on it...yeh I guess he is the only one who brought it up?? you said boxer is newish so why is he scum not new now? when hf pinged him out you defended bf because he was a new player but what has changed, the posts are still the same. I didn't really read his filter when I defended him honestly. I only really read his filter when Mig brought up Boxer's stuff regarding timing and failing to do promised stuff.
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On June 18 2015 06:52 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 06:50 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 06:46 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 06:44 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 06:40 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 06:36 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 06:30 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote:Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim? Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time. Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game. When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out. And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town). Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games. LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum? I don't got anything original sorry Maybe Boxer his posts seemed pretty weird esp because it looked like he didn't really read the thread when he posted which more likely to come from scum. Also HF because here another rule about rsoultin: If one of HF or rsoultin is scum they don't get along which has been proven to be correct for the most part I townreading rsultin therefore he would be the scum by the rule. Also the LYLO rule about her is actually accurate she for the most part now being night killed at night 1 and night 2 as town so when she reaches LYLO she is scum. I willing to take the blame of town!shockeyy lynch if he flips town but I believe he will flip red. What happened to this On June 18 2015 01:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly Boxerfred is new HF give it some time bro like Bugs said he only started playing Mafia recently :O Honestly I decided to reread Boxer's filter after Mig commented about Boxer's stuff about timing and failing to deliver but I think if Boxer is town he will clear it up soonish but if he scum he prob wont do anything. you decided to re-read after mig commented on it...yeh I guess he is the only one who brought it up?? you said boxer is newish so why is he scum not new now? when hf pinged him out you defended bf because he was a new player but what has changed, the posts are still the same. I didn't really read his filter when I defended him honestly. I only really read his filter when Mig brought up Boxer's stuff regarding timing and failing to do promised stuff. are you fucking kidding me? No I'm not kidding you :o
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On June 18 2015 06:51 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 06:46 LightningStrike wrote:
I didn't really read his filter when I defended him honestly. I only really read his filter when Mig brought up Boxer's stuff regarding timing and failing to do promised stuff. As terrible as this is, this actually makes me think LS is more likely to be town haha. Mafia usually arent brazen enough to come out and admit shit like this.
well he got caught out again and no alternatives but the truth, he wanted to buddy BF like he has tried to buddy the entire thread.
Defending without reading what someone said is admitting as much.
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yeh if you could all vote LS now,,that would be great
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On June 18 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Why vote the guy who just replaced in? Like seriously that is the stupidist thing you would do other than voting a blue in me as a named VT..........
psst it's a joke.
that's why it isn't bolded or hashed and doesn't have an unvote and doesn't appear in the vote thread.
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On June 18 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote:
So can we stop picking on LS before drastic things happen?!?
But seriously LS I got you bud, don't worry partner.
he hasn't claimed mason so I don't even know what this is
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On June 18 2015 07:08 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote:
So can we stop picking on LS before drastic things happen?!?
But seriously LS I got you bud, don't worry partner. Thanks bud I got your back too if someone thinks your scum
that's more of a curse at this point.
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On June 18 2015 07:09 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 07:08 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Why vote the guy who just replaced in? Like seriously that is the stupidist thing you would do other than voting a blue in me as a named VT.......... ls tell me what i've done this game since i'm the only one of two of your scum reads I following the rsoultin rule here where if you and her don't get along one of you is mafia I got rsoultin as town therefore you scum by that rule
yeh and as hf points out that is total stupid and arbitrary
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On June 18 2015 07:11 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 07:08 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 07:08 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote:
So can we stop picking on LS before drastic things happen?!?
But seriously LS I got you bud, don't worry partner. Thanks bud I got your back too if someone thinks your scum that's more of a curse at this point. Me and Damdred get along really good when we are both town except when he loses total motivation to play. I sorry Damdred about that I will try not to mislynch again after that game!
I really don't give a shit about any of that
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On June 18 2015 07:12 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 07:10 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 07:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 07:08 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Why vote the guy who just replaced in? Like seriously that is the stupidist thing you would do other than voting a blue in me as a named VT.......... ls tell me what i've done this game since i'm the only one of two of your scum reads I following the rsoultin rule here where if you and her don't get along one of you is mafia I got rsoultin as town therefore you scum by that rule yeh and as hf points out that is total stupid and arbitrary You not seen the rule in effect before :o Check every game they been together and read their filters they regarding each other :o
i'm not going to do that
your scum reads are totally arbitrary , you throw this hf scum read totally out of nowhere..ALONGSIDE A BF SCUM READ.
WHICH YOU ONLY GOT AFTER READING MIG....
EVEN THOUGH HF IS THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UP FIRST
YOU KNOW...THE OTHER GUY YOU SCUM READ>
but you probably didn't read that part either...like when you defended bf without reading him either.
holy shit why aren't there 13/14 votes on LS right now jesus christ.
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On June 18 2015 07:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Damdred can you help defend me from meanie KSC and HF please? Also HF this game is going full GoT I don't want it go full GoT T_T
even if damdred turned into a moderator and confirmed you as town I wouldn't believe it.
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On June 18 2015 07:21 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 07:18 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 07:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Damdred can you help defend me from meanie KSC and HF please? Also HF this game is going full GoT I don't want it go full GoT T_T even if damdred turned into a moderator and confirmed you as town I wouldn't believe it. Why you been so fucking rude this entire game like jesus dude take a chill pill or something or hell smoke weed or do crack cocaine if you must to calm down......
i'm glad you got that off your chest
why aren't people voting this
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where bugs at, he didn't respond to me
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On June 18 2015 07:28 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 07:24 Damdred wrote:On June 18 2015 07:23 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 07:22 Damdred wrote:On June 18 2015 07:21 rsoultin wrote:
Not lynching fidei
Not lynching ls by a slightly lesser degree
Next, damdy? Why not fidei? I like him That's not good enough for me RS and you know it Trust me?
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new guy is reading thread probably
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On June 18 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
I actually think Fiede is mafia here guys and is a really good vote today.
If you look at his filter and compare it to HG which just finished a lot of the things he talks about in that game are really fluid and confrontational at parts trying to figure out the truth on players or get his view points into the thread. Also when he doesn't like what players are doing he is going to get into their face.
Look at what hes doing here, hes really not trying to rock the boat overall. He is trying to pocket/buddy up to people and is being noncommittal and not really following much up at this point or talking about anything worth while.
I'm pretty sure this guy is mafia.
this isn't bad.
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@damdy i'm curious what you think about breshke at this point.
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On June 18 2015 07:38 Fidei86 wrote:
@Damdred This is not really an excuse, but I want to talk a bit about how I've played this game so far. HG in total went for 120 pages, all the way to the end. A couple of people were generally inactive over the first couple of days, so the post count was manageable. Towards EOD2 I actually did a complete re-read of the entire game, which was only something like 60 pages (and therefore totally do-able). This time, we've made it to that in a single day. This is only my second game of forum mafia ever and I just am not quite sure what to do with this much content. I can't get a read on anyone because everyone already has six or seven pages of filter and everyone has also just been BMing each other, or making single-line posts which make no sense when you read them as part of a filter. Plus most of the players here are people who weren't in HG, so I have no idea what to look for in them. Right now, I'm just hoping that things settle down a little so I can start to get a grip on everything. If you look back over my filter in HG, I think you'll see that I spent the first day literally deer in headlights. I feel that way again, except even more so. That is how I feel right now. I admit, I'm really not much of an asset to the town because I don't have any strong reads at all. I have read every single page of the forum, on my phone and at work, but it's just moving too quickly for me.
In terms of people who were in HG, I think it's fairly well established that NHM has either undergone a character transplant in the last 24 hours, or has rolled town this game. The difference is night and day. Ritoky looks like the same as he was before - he mostly posted commentary on other people's posts last time, and it got more substantive towards the end of D1. IE, I don't think he has done much that is alignment-indicative yet, but the next day or so will be helpful. You seem similar to last game as well, but I don't give that too much credit because I hated how you played on D1 and D2 and D3 (obviously D4 you rocked pretty hard). That's not a pocket - I'm not giving you a town read, you're just clearly an experienced player and meta reads probably won't take me too far with you ("I shit on my meta", etc). But going straight into this game after the last one is quite a big thing - I'd just got used to reading you based on a certain set of interactions, and now I have to throw them all away.
The reason for posting all this is that I'm acutely self-conscious at how I've played so far. I really want to contribute. I've got an hour or so this evening and I'm going to try and re-read some stuff and give some reads or at least post some useful thoughts. But please don't scum read me for genuinely being over-awed.
you probably could have read several filters in the time it took you to waffle this out
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I've said more than my fair share and i'm just waiting for bugs to return.
So until that time.
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On June 18 2015 08:13 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 07:56 Damdred wrote:On June 18 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
Well one thing that's interesting is that when Shockey posted his notes he spent the most time in the entire thing talking about me, or quoting my posts. However I provided a good bit of content at that point forward.
He never even followed up on anything that I said or did, or tried to get me to answer any of his other questions in his filter which is interesting. Instead just defending himself.
Breshke was a town read, falling off a bit wouldn't lynch today however.
GB i'm still town reading. Please don't ignore me, I need attention before I go to my corner. In one of shockeys posts he said this, @KSC - I don't get why you think I was going after damdred? It was just an early post to get more info on him and in return he got info out of me. I never even claimed I think he's mafia. If anything, his reads seem town motivated. Did you miss this? If not what is your point? Not sure what is special about not following up with someone who he thinks is town. What do you think about fedeis return? Why do you still read GB as town?
I read the tone of shockey's post about damdred as fairly accusatory.
I think I mentioned this and quoted the part when he said that damdred's post had "little value" or something like that. Anyway I thought he was trying to front after damdred called him out for not reading the post and then his response after that felt like backtracking.
I think I mentioned all of that so apologies if I didn't
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bugs hasn't bothered coming back which doesn't look good for him.
I'm going to bed, night all.
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Morning everyone, catching up now
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On June 18 2015 17:55 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 17:53 Breshke wrote:On June 18 2015 17:50 ritoky wrote:
when he tells you "cuz named VT has no powers and is worthless, so why not claim it"; i will probably be asleep so make sure you ask him "then why didn't you claim it the moment the game started?" for me. i am relying on you for this. don't dishonour me or i will lynch you. but if he isn't here in like 4 hours ill probs be asleep as well. This burden is too heavy 1 of us has to lose sleep for this great cause. i vote you.
I'm here now, i'm on it
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On June 18 2015 18:03 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 17:59 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 17:55 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 17:53 Breshke wrote:On June 18 2015 17:50 ritoky wrote:
when he tells you "cuz named VT has no powers and is worthless, so why not claim it"; i will probably be asleep so make sure you ask him "then why didn't you claim it the moment the game started?" for me. i am relying on you for this. don't dishonour me or i will lynch you. but if he isn't here in like 4 hours ill probs be asleep as well. This burden is too heavy 1 of us has to lose sleep for this great cause. i vote you. I'm here now, i'm on it you caught up it seems, what you think of me getting pissed about LS and then the other shit i typed. and anything else.
well getting pissed off at LS is a totally understandable reaction, I read the stuff he posted after I left and although I don't want to spend another day pointing out all the anti-town, inconsistent stuff. suffice to say his hf is "top town now lets vote bf" is totally inconsistent with his "hf is scum" shit from earlier. He has a top scum read in shockeyy, there are 24 hours left but he wants to completely abandon this because he is scared of being lynched?
If i'm a blue role and I have a top scum read, WHO IS PUSHING ON ME, then I don't just surrender what I think and try and avoid the hammer.
Again he just randomly calls more people town, including the replace who mostly posted about not reading the thread then disappeared.
from your vibe though you seem to think he is town doing the most anti-town shit of all time? A simpler explanation is he is mafia.
Anyway.
with the other stuff you typed, I think your post about MiG was pretty good, I felt the same way when he posted it but at the time it didn't feel that bad. I think the post from Fide about it was probably correct.
Also your town list looks ok apart from bugs, I need to talk to him. He gave his attack on me and I have a few questions for him when he gets back that will be interesting.
I think the longer bf stays away the happier I am to lynch him
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On June 18 2015 18:24 Lohengramm wrote:
from what I've read, I disagree with lynching lightningstrike seeing as I don't think he's mafia yet from his posting. he seems genuine, however poor his play has been. Claiming blue I'd think he actually does more as town than as mafia, counter to whatever people have said about that subject.
I will read this BF guy quickly before I have to leave.
to actually get the read on BF you have to look at the case by hf, bf hasn't really posted anything in a long time.
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On June 18 2015 18:35 Lohengramm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 18:32 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 18:24 Lohengramm wrote:
from what I've read, I disagree with lynching lightningstrike seeing as I don't think he's mafia yet from his posting. he seems genuine, however poor his play has been. Claiming blue I'd think he actually does more as town than as mafia, counter to whatever people have said about that subject.
I will read this BF guy quickly before I have to leave. to actually get the read on BF you have to look at the case by hf, bf hasn't really posted anything in a long time. or I can read his filter and decide for myself. you know, like any sane player would do also, you seem to be voting LS which I disagree with. you should probs stop that.
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On June 18 2015 14:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. that's cool. you once made a terrible list post a couple hours into the day and it was terrible. can you do that again but make it less terrible this time? thanks. I will post my list in the morning. Going to let the posts rack up a bit more. I want to see others thoughts before I finalize it for day 1.
any updates on this?
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On June 18 2015 06:30 KelsierSC wrote:
WBG I read some of what you posted and I see you went to a lot of trouble so.
I've questioned and pushed LS very hard and in my opinion I highlighted aspects of his play that were scummy.
his calling everyone town, not reading the thread, his whole debacle around shockey.
then you add in how he flipped the read on shockey to call him mafia and the inconsistent parts around that.
I feel LS is mafia, when he claimed blue I felt I had him in the noose, he was trying to dodge the pressure and avoid being lynched. I think if he is town he can work his way out of that spot.
I also think my push on shockey was pretty strong.
You have basically said i'm doing fuck all and not reading..I disagree with this completely and I don't think you truly believe it either.
With regards to the anger thing. Assassination mafia I was cop, it was a tightly controlled game. I was on good behaviour. This game it's less tight and i'm kind of pissed off RL.
If you want to ask me some questions then I will answer in a civil manner for the benefit of the thread.
On June 18 2015 06:33 KelsierSC wrote:
I have a few questions for you in return
1) do you still think i'm scum given the responses in the thread
2) when I was questioning LS you had chances to speak up and defend the "clear town" but you didn't. You only spoke after he claimed and diverted pressure onto me. why didn't you speak earlier?
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On June 18 2015 07:47 KelsierSC wrote:I've said more than my fair share and i'm just waiting for bugs to return. So until that time.
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On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today?
so you were unsure of LS aswell and I was pushing him hard calling him scum. Then when he makes a horrible claim you are surprised that I still think he is scum?
You also said that I "didn't quite do anything else" and I "kinda disappeared" I explained I was looking at other people in the game at that point but I didn't leave anyone in doubt what I felt about LS. Can you actually explain what you mean by this in a more concrete way without hedging
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On June 18 2015 23:20 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 23:02 rsoultin wrote:
Nh
Who cares really?
That's prob enough to remove lohen from my d1 list as a replacement though
Do I have to vote you wbg to get you to answer my questions on your read change? I'd rather not cause while I disagree strongly on ksc, your points on gb were decent
Also at all you lovelies wanting to kill someone you think is town...isn't that what like cop/vig roles are for? Would make more sense if most people thought he was scum don't really get it
Also just random thought...I figured out what's bugging me about damdy. Tells ls he's got his back but doesn't really marry actions to words. Tryna decide if that's just cause he's upset about his case being ignored or not though I don't have the time to answer your questions about townreads, in particular my change on you because to me they're irrelevant and not worth the time. In fact, even this to me is a waste of time because I can't believe that I am actually arguing about this. You even considering wasting a vote to get that kind of information to me is really puzzling because I can't see in which world any of that information would be useful to you. Vote me if you think I am scum, but don't act like any other reason would be a valid one. Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 23:00 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? so you were unsure of LS aswell and I was pushing him hard calling him scum. Then when he makes a horrible claim you are surprised that I still think he is scum? You also said that I "didn't quite do anything else" and I "kinda disappeared" I explained I was looking at other people in the game at that point but I didn't leave anyone in doubt what I felt about LS. Can you actually explain what you mean by this in a more concrete way without hedging Why is it that every time you post something in response to someone you manage to mangle or misread it completely? Just because I said I was unsure on LS prior to the claim it does not mean I found him scummy. You say he made a horrible claim, which I agree. The fact that you think it is alignment indicative (of LS being scum, no less) is the reason I think you are scum. Your only reasoning for the claim being indicative of LS being scum is "horrible" while I have consistently pointed out why it makes no sense from a scum PERSPECTIVE. You are obviously not this stupid so my best assumption here is that you are purposely choosing to refuse to back down because you are scum and flipping your read at this point would be too dangerous. That also makes sense in the context of the fact that you are not actually really pushing LS as I would expect a townie to push him. That's what I mean by you didn't do anything and that you disappeared, because for a long time you were not in thread, and as BF has gained more suspicion you haven't done anything to convince other people that they should vote LS over BF. Unless of course you think they are both scum, which I think is preposterous in itself. Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 23:07 rsoultin wrote:
Hey wbg on phone and no comp access till much later. Show me the read.change from gb i'm quotes please?
His last scum game he was very focused on others reads on him as well and I was getting deja vu yesterday but a read switch would be much more damning I think Take a look at this: Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:42 GlowingBear wrote:
The SUPER AWESOME PRELIMINARY READS LIST REGARDING THE FIRST 3 PAGES OF THE THREAD
Probs town
LS
Nydus
Probs mafai
Boxerfred
Onegu
Yeah. This little. One of his first posts, it appears he felt pretty strongly about LS early on because he was one of the only players he bothered posting about. And again, not too long after: Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:52 GlowingBear wrote:ANOTHER PRELIMINARY READ LIST OF THE FIRST HOURS OF THE GAME Probs townKelsier Breshke LS Nydus(?) Probs mafaiOnegu Boxerfred Bugs Ritoky Someone I want to spank for treating me bad Rsoultin Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:Actual Listpost v1.0 Probs town... - LS (a lot of activity early game, enough to grant him a day1 pass IMO)
... Probs Mafia- Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
- boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread)
boxerfred The interesting thing here is that he has onegu and LS on opposite sides, yet he doesn't react to onegu voting LS later... then, after the claim: as soon as I start defending him right then and there really hard, GB does this: Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie are you scum again? Explain to me why he is obvious townie Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie? then this, in which he actually doesn't really take an opinion one way or another which to me was pretty strange: Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:49 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 04:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie are you scum again? Explain to me why he is obvious townie Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie? he wasn't necessarily obvious townie prior to the claim but any and all doubts should have been erased to people who understand the slightest thing when it comes to town/mafia motivation when he ended up claiming. He had 1 vote and was in no serious threat of being lynched and yet he blue claimed on day 1. What kind of scum move would that be? It literally makes 0 sense from a scum perspective, especially when we all know how bad LS's scum play is. You say too dumb to be scum. They say too anti-town to be town. Onegu says stop doing this, going to lynch you every time. people say "too anti-town to be town" when they really mean "I think that play was stupid and you deserve to die for it" That kind of mentality literally ignores all possible motivational reads because it doesn't involve motivation at all and is simply a surface-level misinterpretation of what is going on. Try to think through it from the perspective of LS being scum and it makes no sense at all for him to do that I can see scum LS panicking when a single vote is casted on him and claiming named VT because this role has no night power (easy to claim) and it's not a common role (low chances of counter claiming) It doesn't make sense from a town perspective either. and then finally he does this: He also said some lie about blue claiming being in LS's meta which he claimed was some sort of test for what my response would be but it seemed forced to me.
LS's play is what makes him scummy, the claim just furthers that point. I don't see a reason for a town to claim there at all.
That also makes sense in the context of the fact that you are not actually really pushing LS as I would expect a townie to push him. That's what I mean by you didn't do anything and that you disappeared, because for a long time you were not in thread, and as BF has gained more suspicion you haven't done anything to convince other people that they should vote LS over BF. Unless of course you think they are both scum, which I think is preposterous in itself.
You are just making up reason's to scum read me now. I pushed LS very hard and Everyone was aware of that.
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Also bugs, look at the timestamps of my post and tell me when I wasn't in the thread, I think I went to chill out with a book for 40 minutes then I came back and started making points about LS again.
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On June 18 2015 23:32 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 23:28 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 23:20 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 23:02 rsoultin wrote:
Nh
Who cares really?
That's prob enough to remove lohen from my d1 list as a replacement though
Do I have to vote you wbg to get you to answer my questions on your read change? I'd rather not cause while I disagree strongly on ksc, your points on gb were decent
Also at all you lovelies wanting to kill someone you think is town...isn't that what like cop/vig roles are for? Would make more sense if most people thought he was scum don't really get it
Also just random thought...I figured out what's bugging me about damdy. Tells ls he's got his back but doesn't really marry actions to words. Tryna decide if that's just cause he's upset about his case being ignored or not though I don't have the time to answer your questions about townreads, in particular my change on you because to me they're irrelevant and not worth the time. In fact, even this to me is a waste of time because I can't believe that I am actually arguing about this. You even considering wasting a vote to get that kind of information to me is really puzzling because I can't see in which world any of that information would be useful to you. Vote me if you think I am scum, but don't act like any other reason would be a valid one. On June 18 2015 23:00 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? so you were unsure of LS aswell and I was pushing him hard calling him scum. Then when he makes a horrible claim you are surprised that I still think he is scum? You also said that I "didn't quite do anything else" and I "kinda disappeared" I explained I was looking at other people in the game at that point but I didn't leave anyone in doubt what I felt about LS. Can you actually explain what you mean by this in a more concrete way without hedging Why is it that every time you post something in response to someone you manage to mangle or misread it completely? Just because I said I was unsure on LS prior to the claim it does not mean I found him scummy. You say he made a horrible claim, which I agree. The fact that you think it is alignment indicative (of LS being scum, no less) is the reason I think you are scum. Your only reasoning for the claim being indicative of LS being scum is "horrible" while I have consistently pointed out why it makes no sense from a scum PERSPECTIVE. You are obviously not this stupid so my best assumption here is that you are purposely choosing to refuse to back down because you are scum and flipping your read at this point would be too dangerous. That also makes sense in the context of the fact that you are not actually really pushing LS as I would expect a townie to push him. That's what I mean by you didn't do anything and that you disappeared, because for a long time you were not in thread, and as BF has gained more suspicion you haven't done anything to convince other people that they should vote LS over BF. Unless of course you think they are both scum, which I think is preposterous in itself. On June 18 2015 23:07 rsoultin wrote:
Hey wbg on phone and no comp access till much later. Show me the read.change from gb i'm quotes please?
His last scum game he was very focused on others reads on him as well and I was getting deja vu yesterday but a read switch would be much more damning I think Take a look at this: On June 17 2015 07:42 GlowingBear wrote:
The SUPER AWESOME PRELIMINARY READS LIST REGARDING THE FIRST 3 PAGES OF THE THREAD
Probs town
LS
Nydus
Probs mafai
Boxerfred
Onegu
Yeah. This little. One of his first posts, it appears he felt pretty strongly about LS early on because he was one of the only players he bothered posting about. And again, not too long after: On June 17 2015 08:52 GlowingBear wrote:ANOTHER PRELIMINARY READ LIST OF THE FIRST HOURS OF THE GAME Probs townKelsier Breshke LS Nydus(?) Probs mafaiOnegu Boxerfred Bugs Ritoky Someone I want to spank for treating me bad Rsoultin On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:Actual Listpost v1.0 Probs town... - LS (a lot of activity early game, enough to grant him a day1 pass IMO)
... Probs Mafia- Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
- boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread)
boxerfred The interesting thing here is that he has onegu and LS on opposite sides, yet he doesn't react to onegu voting LS later... then, after the claim: On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too as soon as I start defending him right then and there really hard, GB does this: On June 18 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie are you scum again? Explain to me why he is obvious townie Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie? then this, in which he actually doesn't really take an opinion one way or another which to me was pretty strange: On June 18 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:49 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 04:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie are you scum again? Explain to me why he is obvious townie Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie? he wasn't necessarily obvious townie prior to the claim but any and all doubts should have been erased to people who understand the slightest thing when it comes to town/mafia motivation when he ended up claiming. He had 1 vote and was in no serious threat of being lynched and yet he blue claimed on day 1. What kind of scum move would that be? It literally makes 0 sense from a scum perspective, especially when we all know how bad LS's scum play is. You say too dumb to be scum. They say too anti-town to be town. Onegu says stop doing this, going to lynch you every time. people say "too anti-town to be town" when they really mean "I think that play was stupid and you deserve to die for it" That kind of mentality literally ignores all possible motivational reads because it doesn't involve motivation at all and is simply a surface-level misinterpretation of what is going on. Try to think through it from the perspective of LS being scum and it makes no sense at all for him to do that I can see scum LS panicking when a single vote is casted on him and claiming named VT because this role has no night power (easy to claim) and it's not a common role (low chances of counter claiming) It doesn't make sense from a town perspective either. and then finally he does this: On June 18 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Alright bugs, could we lynch VA? He also said some lie about blue claiming being in LS's meta which he claimed was some sort of test for what my response would be but it seemed forced to me. LS's play is what makes him scummy, the claim just furthers that point. I don't see a reason for a town to claim there at all. That also makes sense in the context of the fact that you are not actually really pushing LS as I would expect a townie to push him. That's what I mean by you didn't do anything and that you disappeared, because for a long time you were not in thread, and as BF has gained more suspicion you haven't done anything to convince other people that they should vote LS over BF. Unless of course you think they are both scum, which I think is preposterous in itself. You are just making up reason's to scum read me now. I pushed LS very hard and Everyone was aware of that. The fact that this is your response to my post doesn't look very good for you. The effort level, the way you are undermining my opinion by saying I am making up reasons, and the fact that you are misconstruing your own effort and claiming that "everyone was aware of it". It seems like you are very self conscious of how other people are "aware" of your pushes. Why would that be the case if you are town? If you still think LS is scum why are you okay with him not leading and people actually getting off him now?
are you trying to claim my effort level is low?
i'm interacting with you right now because I asked you questions and waited for you to show up.
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As far as i'm aware your scum read of me is because when my scum read, that I had been pushing really hard, made a stupid claim ,that didn't make sense as town, I carried on reading him as scum
then you made false statements that I stopped trying and didn't carry on pushing LS
you are desperately trying to paint scum on me and it just isn't working.
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On June 18 2015 23:37 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 23:34 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 23:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 23:28 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 23:20 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 23:02 rsoultin wrote:
Nh
Who cares really?
That's prob enough to remove lohen from my d1 list as a replacement though
Do I have to vote you wbg to get you to answer my questions on your read change? I'd rather not cause while I disagree strongly on ksc, your points on gb were decent
Also at all you lovelies wanting to kill someone you think is town...isn't that what like cop/vig roles are for? Would make more sense if most people thought he was scum don't really get it
Also just random thought...I figured out what's bugging me about damdy. Tells ls he's got his back but doesn't really marry actions to words. Tryna decide if that's just cause he's upset about his case being ignored or not though I don't have the time to answer your questions about townreads, in particular my change on you because to me they're irrelevant and not worth the time. In fact, even this to me is a waste of time because I can't believe that I am actually arguing about this. You even considering wasting a vote to get that kind of information to me is really puzzling because I can't see in which world any of that information would be useful to you. Vote me if you think I am scum, but don't act like any other reason would be a valid one. On June 18 2015 23:00 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? so you were unsure of LS aswell and I was pushing him hard calling him scum. Then when he makes a horrible claim you are surprised that I still think he is scum? You also said that I "didn't quite do anything else" and I "kinda disappeared" I explained I was looking at other people in the game at that point but I didn't leave anyone in doubt what I felt about LS. Can you actually explain what you mean by this in a more concrete way without hedging Why is it that every time you post something in response to someone you manage to mangle or misread it completely? Just because I said I was unsure on LS prior to the claim it does not mean I found him scummy. You say he made a horrible claim, which I agree. The fact that you think it is alignment indicative (of LS being scum, no less) is the reason I think you are scum. Your only reasoning for the claim being indicative of LS being scum is "horrible" while I have consistently pointed out why it makes no sense from a scum PERSPECTIVE. You are obviously not this stupid so my best assumption here is that you are purposely choosing to refuse to back down because you are scum and flipping your read at this point would be too dangerous. That also makes sense in the context of the fact that you are not actually really pushing LS as I would expect a townie to push him. That's what I mean by you didn't do anything and that you disappeared, because for a long time you were not in thread, and as BF has gained more suspicion you haven't done anything to convince other people that they should vote LS over BF. Unless of course you think they are both scum, which I think is preposterous in itself. On June 18 2015 23:07 rsoultin wrote:
Hey wbg on phone and no comp access till much later. Show me the read.change from gb i'm quotes please?
His last scum game he was very focused on others reads on him as well and I was getting deja vu yesterday but a read switch would be much more damning I think Take a look at this: On June 17 2015 07:42 GlowingBear wrote:
The SUPER AWESOME PRELIMINARY READS LIST REGARDING THE FIRST 3 PAGES OF THE THREAD
Probs town
LS
Nydus
Probs mafai
Boxerfred
Onegu
Yeah. This little. One of his first posts, it appears he felt pretty strongly about LS early on because he was one of the only players he bothered posting about. And again, not too long after: On June 17 2015 08:52 GlowingBear wrote:ANOTHER PRELIMINARY READ LIST OF THE FIRST HOURS OF THE GAME Probs townKelsier Breshke LS Nydus(?) Probs mafaiOnegu Boxerfred Bugs Ritoky Someone I want to spank for treating me bad Rsoultin On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:Actual Listpost v1.0 Probs town... - LS (a lot of activity early game, enough to grant him a day1 pass IMO)
... Probs Mafia- Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
- boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread)
boxerfred The interesting thing here is that he has onegu and LS on opposite sides, yet he doesn't react to onegu voting LS later... then, after the claim: On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too as soon as I start defending him right then and there really hard, GB does this: On June 18 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie are you scum again? Explain to me why he is obvious townie Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie? then this, in which he actually doesn't really take an opinion one way or another which to me was pretty strange: On June 18 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:49 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 04:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:
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Explain to me why he is obvious townie
Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie?
he wasn't necessarily obvious townie prior to the claim but any and all doubts should have been erased to people who understand the slightest thing when it comes to town/mafia motivation when he ended up claiming. He had 1 vote and was in no serious threat of being lynched and yet he blue claimed on day 1. What kind of scum move would that be? It literally makes 0 sense from a scum perspective, especially when we all know how bad LS's scum play is. You say too dumb to be scum. They say too anti-town to be town. Onegu says stop doing this, going to lynch you every time. people say "too anti-town to be town" when they really mean "I think that play was stupid and you deserve to die for it" That kind of mentality literally ignores all possible motivational reads because it doesn't involve motivation at all and is simply a surface-level misinterpretation of what is going on. Try to think through it from the perspective of LS being scum and it makes no sense at all for him to do that I can see scum LS panicking when a single vote is casted on him and claiming named VT because this role has no night power (easy to claim) and it's not a common role (low chances of counter claiming) It doesn't make sense from a town perspective either. and then finally he does this: On June 18 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Alright bugs, could we lynch VA? He also said some lie about blue claiming being in LS's meta which he claimed was some sort of test for what my response would be but it seemed forced to me. LS's play is what makes him scummy, the claim just furthers that point. I don't see a reason for a town to claim there at all. That also makes sense in the context of the fact that you are not actually really pushing LS as I would expect a townie to push him. That's what I mean by you didn't do anything and that you disappeared, because for a long time you were not in thread, and as BF has gained more suspicion you haven't done anything to convince other people that they should vote LS over BF. Unless of course you think they are both scum, which I think is preposterous in itself. You are just making up reason's to scum read me now. I pushed LS very hard and Everyone was aware of that. The fact that this is your response to my post doesn't look very good for you. The effort level, the way you are undermining my opinion by saying I am making up reasons, and the fact that you are misconstruing your own effort and claiming that "everyone was aware of it". It seems like you are very self conscious of how other people are "aware" of your pushes. Why would that be the case if you are town? If you still think LS is scum why are you okay with him not leading and people actually getting off him now? are you trying to claim my effort level is low? i'm interacting with you right now because I asked you questions and waited for you to show up. your effort level in responding to me sucks. You choose to misconstrue my posts and in the previous one you picked out only the fact that I said I was unsure instead of reading the rest of the part in which I explained how I had LS leaning town before the claim and why the claim is not an indicator that he is scum. You don't bother addressing any of that. Your followup on my questions to me doesn't appear to be town motivated because I would expect a townie to at least attempt to understand what I am saying. Instead all you do is undermine my opinions.
I am trying to understand it that is why i am questioning you.
I DID ADDRESS THAT POINT I had him as scum before the claim, the claim makes no sense as town, i carry on reading him as scum. you understand now?
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I have also invited you to ask me questions if you are unsure of something, instead all you have done is called all my actions scummy, why not actually ask me something
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On June 18 2015 23:41 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 23:36 KelsierSC wrote:
As far as i'm aware your scum read of me is because when my scum read, that I had been pushing really hard, made a stupid claim ,that didn't make sense as town, I carried on reading him as scum
then you made false statements that I stopped trying and didn't carry on pushing LS
you are desperately trying to paint scum on me and it just isn't working. nope you constantly are calling "stupid claim = scum claim" which is NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE the fact that you are not ever noticing I am saying that over and over again and not even responding to it is setting off the alarm for me. Instead you constantly say shit like "you're desperately trying to call me scum" and "you made false statements" and "everyone knows I was pushing him" which are all simply things said to undermine an opinion and not indicators in the slightest that you are town and are attempting to analyze this situation from that perspective. Any townie in such a position would have some doubt and not immediately undermine another player's perspective when they offer a counterpoint. Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 23:38 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 23:37 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 23:34 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 23:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 23:28 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 23:20 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 23:02 rsoultin wrote:
Nh
Who cares really?
That's prob enough to remove lohen from my d1 list as a replacement though
Do I have to vote you wbg to get you to answer my questions on your read change? I'd rather not cause while I disagree strongly on ksc, your points on gb were decent
Also at all you lovelies wanting to kill someone you think is town...isn't that what like cop/vig roles are for? Would make more sense if most people thought he was scum don't really get it
Also just random thought...I figured out what's bugging me about damdy. Tells ls he's got his back but doesn't really marry actions to words. Tryna decide if that's just cause he's upset about his case being ignored or not though I don't have the time to answer your questions about townreads, in particular my change on you because to me they're irrelevant and not worth the time. In fact, even this to me is a waste of time because I can't believe that I am actually arguing about this. You even considering wasting a vote to get that kind of information to me is really puzzling because I can't see in which world any of that information would be useful to you. Vote me if you think I am scum, but don't act like any other reason would be a valid one. On June 18 2015 23:00 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? so you were unsure of LS aswell and I was pushing him hard calling him scum. Then when he makes a horrible claim you are surprised that I still think he is scum? You also said that I "didn't quite do anything else" and I "kinda disappeared" I explained I was looking at other people in the game at that point but I didn't leave anyone in doubt what I felt about LS. Can you actually explain what you mean by this in a more concrete way without hedging Why is it that every time you post something in response to someone you manage to mangle or misread it completely? Just because I said I was unsure on LS prior to the claim it does not mean I found him scummy. You say he made a horrible claim, which I agree. The fact that you think it is alignment indicative (of LS being scum, no less) is the reason I think you are scum. Your only reasoning for the claim being indicative of LS being scum is "horrible" while I have consistently pointed out why it makes no sense from a scum PERSPECTIVE. You are obviously not this stupid so my best assumption here is that you are purposely choosing to refuse to back down because you are scum and flipping your read at this point would be too dangerous. That also makes sense in the context of the fact that you are not actually really pushing LS as I would expect a townie to push him. That's what I mean by you didn't do anything and that you disappeared, because for a long time you were not in thread, and as BF has gained more suspicion you haven't done anything to convince other people that they should vote LS over BF. Unless of course you think they are both scum, which I think is preposterous in itself. On June 18 2015 23:07 rsoultin wrote:
Hey wbg on phone and no comp access till much later. Show me the read.change from gb i'm quotes please?
His last scum game he was very focused on others reads on him as well and I was getting deja vu yesterday but a read switch would be much more damning I think Take a look at this: On June 17 2015 07:42 GlowingBear wrote:
The SUPER AWESOME PRELIMINARY READS LIST REGARDING THE FIRST 3 PAGES OF THE THREAD
Probs town
LS
Nydus
Probs mafai
Boxerfred
Onegu
Yeah. This little. One of his first posts, it appears he felt pretty strongly about LS early on because he was one of the only players he bothered posting about. And again, not too long after: On June 17 2015 08:52 GlowingBear wrote:ANOTHER PRELIMINARY READ LIST OF THE FIRST HOURS OF THE GAME Probs townKelsier Breshke LS Nydus(?) Probs mafaiOnegu Boxerfred Bugs Ritoky Someone I want to spank for treating me bad Rsoultin On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:Actual Listpost v1.0 Probs town... - LS (a lot of activity early game, enough to grant him a day1 pass IMO)
... Probs Mafia- Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
- boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread)
boxerfred The interesting thing here is that he has onegu and LS on opposite sides, yet he doesn't react to onegu voting LS later... then, after the claim: On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too as soon as I start defending him right then and there really hard, GB does this: On June 18 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting LS too wtf why are you jumping so hard on this opportunity to lynch an obvious townie are you scum again? Explain to me why he is obvious townie Explain to me why obvious townie would claim named VT when, well, he is obvious townie? then this, in which he actually doesn't really take an opinion one way or another which to me was pretty strange: On June 18 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 04:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 18 2015 04:49 ritoky wrote:
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You say too dumb to be scum.
They say too anti-town to be town.
Onegu says stop doing this, going to lynch you every time. people say "too anti-town to be town" when they really mean "I think that play was stupid and you deserve to die for it" That kind of mentality literally ignores all possible motivational reads because it doesn't involve motivation at all and is simply a surface-level misinterpretation of what is going on. Try to think through it from the perspective of LS being scum and it makes no sense at all for him to do that I can see scum LS panicking when a single vote is casted on him and claiming named VT because this role has no night power (easy to claim) and it's not a common role (low chances of counter claiming) It doesn't make sense from a town perspective either. and then finally he does this: On June 18 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Alright bugs, could we lynch VA? He also said some lie about blue claiming being in LS's meta which he claimed was some sort of test for what my response would be but it seemed forced to me. LS's play is what makes him scummy, the claim just furthers that point. I don't see a reason for a town to claim there at all. That also makes sense in the context of the fact that you are not actually really pushing LS as I would expect a townie to push him. That's what I mean by you didn't do anything and that you disappeared, because for a long time you were not in thread, and as BF has gained more suspicion you haven't done anything to convince other people that they should vote LS over BF. Unless of course you think they are both scum, which I think is preposterous in itself. You are just making up reason's to scum read me now. I pushed LS very hard and Everyone was aware of that. The fact that this is your response to my post doesn't look very good for you. The effort level, the way you are undermining my opinion by saying I am making up reasons, and the fact that you are misconstruing your own effort and claiming that "everyone was aware of it". It seems like you are very self conscious of how other people are "aware" of your pushes. Why would that be the case if you are town? If you still think LS is scum why are you okay with him not leading and people actually getting off him now? are you trying to claim my effort level is low? i'm interacting with you right now because I asked you questions and waited for you to show up. your effort level in responding to me sucks. You choose to misconstrue my posts and in the previous one you picked out only the fact that I said I was unsure instead of reading the rest of the part in which I explained how I had LS leaning town before the claim and why the claim is not an indicator that he is scum. You don't bother addressing any of that. Your followup on my questions to me doesn't appear to be town motivated because I would expect a townie to at least attempt to understand what I am saying. Instead all you do is undermine my opinions. I am trying to understand it that is why i am questioning you. I DID ADDRESS THAT POINT I had him as scum before the claim, the claim makes no sense as town, i carry on reading him as scum. you understand now? THE CLAIM ONLY MAKES SENSE FROM TOWN. The fact that you are NOT understanding this despite how fucking obvious it is, is an indicator that you are lying when you claim that your questions are intended to understand it. anyway whatever getting really annoyed that I am talking to you but you are scum so I'm just going to ignore you for the rest of the game
that's a helpful attitude.
In my opinion the claim doesn't make sense as town. When you add that to the countless scummy things LS has done this game. He is my top scum read.
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On June 18 2015 23:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright whatever this is making me rage so I'm gonna leave now
please don't come back, like ever
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Also I will be honest I think LS is town.
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The case against Lightning Strike
He caught my eye when he basically tried to interject into as many jokes as possible, spam the thread and call a lot of town
Early game buddying
looking through the early filter is evidence of the spam and general buddying, especially with bugs. he ends up here.
On June 17 2015 08:45 LightningStrike wrote:Also my thoughts so far: Town: Bugs: Meta read says he's town he poking at others and having a big ego :O ritoky: Seemed to be posting freely which I usually associate with him being town just wish he had reads that weren't all null Nydus: Has decent content so far this game just wish he would post more stuff! KSC: Despite the fact I hate his attitude towards me and bugs I think he's town he actually prodding stuff and trying to direct the thread a little bit which I normally seen from him in past games. GB: He seems like his care free self this game although I can see how he would react to a insult from Bugs but otherwise I liking him a little bit Breshke: Didn't fall for a trap by GB and actually thinking critically this game. Null: Everyone else since not a lot posts by others from what I saw.
This goes further into the game, he town reads the replacement after 5 posts most of which are about how he isn't going to read the game.
On June 18 2015 11:23 LightningStrike wrote:Okay I back and decided to filter dive HF since I said I would and on content he's town in my book despite me not liking his first two pages of his filter but don't lynch him Day 1 guys he better to lynch later like Day 3 or Day 4 when he shouldn't ever be alive based on reputation (He normally Night 1d or Night 2d as town).The replaced guy actually looks pretty townie from what I looked at idk why BM would not post at all or play when he /confirmed but his replacement actually doing some stuff I adding him to the town pile for now.
Weird questions
he starts spamming weird questions that don't go anywhere.
On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.
Kel is a town lean.
I'm town, this is a good start Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all.
On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene. Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening?
all this was very strange so I decided to ask him about shockey.
Shockey Saga
he calls shockey okayish and likes the content?
here is that discussion
On June 17 2015 20:40 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 20:34 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 20:20 KelsierSC wrote:LS one of the issues I had is that you asked a few questions but there was no follow up to it. On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.
Kel is a town lean.
I'm town, this is a good start Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all. This one damdred gave thoughts, you press him for more. Then when you give your list damdred isn't on it..but then you say he's ok afterwards. I'd like you to walk me through your process here. On June 17 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:16 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene. Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening? stuff is happening? Interactions of KSC and Bugs plus what people were posting about Onegu's entrance. Then with this one, Why did you ask ritoky about this? again I would like your thought process. I also want to know what you think about shockeyy. I did like damdred's reads for the most part but I was again playing in LoL inhouses at 7:00 pm CST so I didn't post at all to give my thoughts O_o I wanted ritoky's input to get a outsider perspective on it and all I got from him was that it was pretty much null though so ya it ended being a waste Also shockeyy seems okayish content wise just wish he would post more honestly. well this is interesting. I completely disagree with this I think his posting has been terrible. I think the list post with everyone on it and 1/2 words was scummy , he didn't read what damdred had posted and when he got called out on it he tried to cover up. In fact when the pressure went on him he went pretty defensive imo. It is strange that you like his content when. Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI
I'm town Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o derp. LightningStrike already giving himself away again?... Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 09:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:rsoultin - idk wtf they're posting atm KelsierSC - reminds me of bugs, a butthole, but a town butthole Bill Murray - idk ritoky - Channel 4 Choppa ShoCkeyy - Town Onegu - Misclaim to VT? We'll see, I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt. Holyflare - Opening/Only post claims town lol. Damdred + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum On June 17 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:25 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already. Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point. I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads. Kel is just a maybe town. I know I'm town obviously I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value. There are two types of people that play mafia 1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree. As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish. He's town to me at this juncture. So Damdred, which one is it? Is LS scum cause you're town, or is LS town and you're scum? Or are you both town or scum? Also can you answer this? On June 17 2015 08:12 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene. Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening? Give it a day or two... Damdred can you substantiate your reads a bit please? Especially on LS and that other guy? Last game you were one of the first ones to give content and you gave pretty good explanations on each of them... You posted afterwards but never responded to this. NydusHerMain - Town? Fidei86 + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote:
Evening guys. In case you haven't played with me before, this is my second game (first was Holy Guardians). Heading to bed now, but it looks like there'll be a ton of posts ready for me when I wake up ... Why post this if 40 mins later you're going to post again? On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote:
Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read. I better see poking this game Breshke - His posting currently comes off as town to me atm Mig - waiting GlowingBear - Who knows, acts like a child when things don't go his way in town/scum games. LightningStrike - Acting like he cares? I don't know yet, but his posting looks familiar with his last game where he was scum (not caring about what he writes)wherebugsgo - Ego town butthole VayneAuthority - Not much boxerfred - First post is what? Going to leave now, in-laws are in town. you need to give me more than you like his content and it is "okayish" it feels like you didn't even read him at all...
On June 17 2015 21:01 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 20:53 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 20:40 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 20:34 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 20:20 KelsierSC wrote:LS one of the issues I had is that you asked a few questions but there was no follow up to it. On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.
Kel is a town lean.
I'm town, this is a good start Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all. This one damdred gave thoughts, you press him for more. Then when you give your list damdred isn't on it..but then you say he's ok afterwards. I'd like you to walk me through your process here. On June 17 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:16 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene. Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening? stuff is happening? Interactions of KSC and Bugs plus what people were posting about Onegu's entrance. Then with this one, Why did you ask ritoky about this? again I would like your thought process. I also want to know what you think about shockeyy. I did like damdred's reads for the most part but I was again playing in LoL inhouses at 7:00 pm CST so I didn't post at all to give my thoughts O_o I wanted ritoky's input to get a outsider perspective on it and all I got from him was that it was pretty much null though so ya it ended being a waste Also shockeyy seems okayish content wise just wish he would post more honestly. well this is interesting. I completely disagree with this I think his posting has been terrible. I think the list post with everyone on it and 1/2 words was scummy , he didn't read what damdred had posted and when he got called out on it he tried to cover up. In fact when the pressure went on him he went pretty defensive imo. It is strange that you like his content when. On June 17 2015 07:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 17 2015 07:32 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI
I'm town Really anyone can just claim town you know -_- On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o derp. LightningStrike already giving himself away again?... On June 17 2015 09:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:rsoultin - idk wtf they're posting atm KelsierSC - reminds me of bugs, a butthole, but a town butthole Bill Murray - idk ritoky - Channel 4 Choppa ShoCkeyy - Town Onegu - Misclaim to VT? We'll see, I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt. Holyflare - Opening/Only post claims town lol. Damdred + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum On June 17 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:25 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already. Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point. I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads. Kel is just a maybe town. I know I'm town obviously I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value. There are two types of people that play mafia 1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree. As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish. He's town to me at this juncture. So Damdred, which one is it? Is LS scum cause you're town, or is LS town and you're scum? Or are you both town or scum? Also can you answer this? On June 17 2015 08:12 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene. Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening? Give it a day or two... Damdred can you substantiate your reads a bit please? Especially on LS and that other guy? Last game you were one of the first ones to give content and you gave pretty good explanations on each of them... You posted afterwards but never responded to this. NydusHerMain - Town? Fidei86 + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote:
Evening guys. In case you haven't played with me before, this is my second game (first was Holy Guardians). Heading to bed now, but it looks like there'll be a ton of posts ready for me when I wake up ... Why post this if 40 mins later you're going to post again? On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote:
Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read. I better see poking this game Breshke - His posting currently comes off as town to me atm Mig - waiting GlowingBear - Who knows, acts like a child when things don't go his way in town/scum games. LightningStrike - Acting like he cares? I don't know yet, but his posting looks familiar with his last game where he was scum (not caring about what he writes)wherebugsgo - Ego town butthole VayneAuthority - Not much boxerfred - First post is what? Going to leave now, in-laws are in town. you need to give me more than you like his content and it is "okayish" it feels like you didn't even read him at all... Okay I just reread his filter in Witchcraft and he actually now looked worse than I thought I knew something seemed off and it's his list post reasoning seemed worse the ones he did in Witchcraft like I didn't care for his list post he seemed to had been genuine when it comes to thinking I scum again although his read on me is wrong because I do post freely regardless of my alignment(Check my past games Shockeyy) but outside of his list post he seemed to look but not exactly townie atm though. look... what? I think you edited a word out. So I asked you to give a read on shockeyy..you said he looked okay without reading him properly? that seems very strange. Also this makes no sense to me. Show nested quote +I didn't care for his list post he seemed to had been genuine when it comes to thinking I scum again although his read on me is wrong because I do post freely regardless of my alignment you don't like his lost post or his reasons but you felt his reason for scum reading you is genuine? His reasoning is that he is playing like he did last game, but now you are saying that isn't true...
On June 18 2015 02:01 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 01:49 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 01:48 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly is BM doesn't post or vote he is most likely getting mod killed so he isn't worth being voted on honestly and I kinda dislike the rsoultin wagon she not the scum queen this game but rather town and I starting to think maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him but I prob go all in on him later nothing really change myself his list post seemed to much worse what he presented in his last game as town and it seems like maybe his tone had changed from game to game I feel? ##unvote
##vote LightningStrike
I not scum I sorry you can't read me town but maybe check my past games? <3 lol no Everything i wrote about you still stands, you keep trying to call everyone town, when I caught you for not reading shockeyy you come up with a "hmm maybe he doesn't look as good" backtrack. now you get pressed for a scum read and then you come up with this maybe Shockeyy has a chance of flipping scum although a lowish chance hence why I asking peoples opinions on him before I go all in on him where you basically hedge your bets on him like you know he is actually town or something. You say it is a lowish chance...why? also if it is a lowish chance why would you "go all in" on him as you call it. You are trying to be everyones buddy and call everyone town and the one time i push you to actually give a scum read you come out with waffly shit that your scum read is likely to be town anyway.
so then he suddenly switches and thinks ok better give a scum read, despite that he qualifies it with him low chacne to slip scum?
so apparently he waits to hear opinions on shockey.
This is his response.
On June 18 2015 03:40 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 03:00 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:57 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:54 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:48 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:46 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:44 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 02:42 KelsierSC wrote: He still my strongest scumread although weakish on meta but it better than nothing at this point. tell me why he wont flip scum?
is that your response to me? Correct. ok you clearly aren't reading the thread as i'm one of the main proponents of shockeyy being scum. You need to explain how you changed from shockey being "low chance to flip," "okayish" to now you voting on him. what opinion changed it and how. People reassuring that he could be scum (NHM and others) and he was the strongest scumread and decided to just vote him now since people reassuring me on it also HF told me if I feel so strongly about just vote him O_o but you didn't feel strongly about it at all as he had a "low chance" who are the others it was me and NHM, I had already posted a bunch of stuff about shockeyy when you decided he looked okayish and probably wouldn't flip scum. rsoultin was "unsure" and you are asking her to sheep you so you just wanted nydus to post his reason which was pretty much what I had said already? so your "consideration of opinions" is just if nydus said it then it must be true? You and Nydus plus HF said they didn't like his list post I agreed with you guys on that for the most part there and felt like a different tone than last game I played with him too in some of his posts. Well I had already said that before you came across saying he was ok. Nydus actually didn't mind the list post at all and that isn't the reason he is voting shockey I kind of liked that he gave a lot of reads at first but the way he's talking about his wife's birthday, etc. It just feels kind of fake to me and it feels like he's trying to make an excuse as to why he's posting so scummy (to people who thought his post was scummy). Gives me a very weird vibe. Then vote him with me then? We both think he's scum and so does Nydus why not vote him? is this really all you have to say to my questions? You said shockey was "okish" and had a "low chance to flip scum". now you have apparently seen things differently. I already gave my reasons when you had called him ok. You got the wrong reasons for why nydus called him scummy, it wasn't to do with the list post at all. Rsoultin was unsure and you then told her to sheep you, which was the stupidest thing I have ever seen. So how did this change of opinion come about? you haven't been reading the thread properly as shown by your questioning. you have just vomitted into the thread tried to call everyone town, post links to bullshit games no one cares about. now you are stuck in a trap. 100% mafia.
I gave my initial thoughts on shockey when LS had called shockey okayish so my input doesn't count..
Nydus had said the wife excuse was weird. but LS says he likes what nydus had to say about the list post.
All a sad state of affairs for LS.
claim
ok I don't really need to discuss this, it is a horrible claim as town and makes no sense. he is probably trying to use some "meta" bullshit to get out of it but it isn't going to fly
hf and bf scum read
his next scum reads are , convieniently, on hf and bf. rather illogically. I direct you to these posts about him.
On June 18 2015 06:44 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 06:40 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 06:36 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 06:30 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote:Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim? Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time. Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game. When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out. And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town). Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games. LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum? I don't got anything original sorry Maybe Boxer his posts seemed pretty weird esp because it looked like he didn't really read the thread when he posted which more likely to come from scum. Also HF because here another rule about rsoultin: If one of HF or rsoultin is scum they don't get along which has been proven to be correct for the most part I townreading rsultin therefore he would be the scum by the rule. Also the LYLO rule about her is actually accurate she for the most part now being night killed at night 1 and night 2 as town so when she reaches LYLO she is scum. I willing to take the blame of town!shockeyy lynch if he flips town but I believe he will flip red. What happened to this On June 18 2015 01:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly Boxerfred is new HF give it some time bro like Bugs said he only started playing Mafia recently :O Honestly I decided to reread Boxer's filter after Mig commented about Boxer's stuff about timing and failing to deliver but I think if Boxer is town he will clear it up soonish but if he scum he prob wont do anything. you decided to re-read after mig commented on it...yeh I guess he is the only one who brought it up?? you said boxer is newish so why is he scum not new now? when hf pinged him out you defended bf because he was a new player but what has changed, the posts are still the same.
On June 18 2015 06:47 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 06:46 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 06:44 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 06:40 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 06:36 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 06:30 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote:Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim? Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time. Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game. When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out. And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town). Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games. LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum? I don't got anything original sorry Maybe Boxer his posts seemed pretty weird esp because it looked like he didn't really read the thread when he posted which more likely to come from scum. Also HF because here another rule about rsoultin: If one of HF or rsoultin is scum they don't get along which has been proven to be correct for the most part I townreading rsultin therefore he would be the scum by the rule. Also the LYLO rule about her is actually accurate she for the most part now being night killed at night 1 and night 2 as town so when she reaches LYLO she is scum. I willing to take the blame of town!shockeyy lynch if he flips town but I believe he will flip red. What happened to this On June 18 2015 01:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly Boxerfred is new HF give it some time bro like Bugs said he only started playing Mafia recently :O Honestly I decided to reread Boxer's filter after Mig commented about Boxer's stuff about timing and failing to deliver but I think if Boxer is town he will clear it up soonish but if he scum he prob wont do anything. you decided to re-read after mig commented on it...yeh I guess he is the only one who brought it up?? you said boxer is newish so why is he scum not new now? when hf pinged him out you defended bf because he was a new player but what has changed, the posts are still the same. I didn't really read his filter when I defended him honestly. I only really read his filter when Mig brought up Boxer's stuff regarding timing and failing to do promised stuff. lol
On June 18 2015 07:14 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 07:12 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 07:10 KelsierSC wrote:On June 18 2015 07:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 07:08 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Why vote the guy who just replaced in? Like seriously that is the stupidist thing you would do other than voting a blue in me as a named VT.......... ls tell me what i've done this game since i'm the only one of two of your scum reads I following the rsoultin rule here where if you and her don't get along one of you is mafia I got rsoultin as town therefore you scum by that rule yeh and as hf points out that is total stupid and arbitrary You not seen the rule in effect before :o Check every game they been together and read their filters they regarding each other :o i'm not going to do that your scum reads are totally arbitrary , you throw this hf scum read totally out of nowhere..ALONGSIDE A BF SCUM READ. WHICH YOU ONLY GOT AFTER READING MIG.... EVEN THOUGH HF IS THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UP FIRST YOU KNOW...THE OTHER GUY YOU SCUM READ> but you probably didn't read that part either...like when you defended bf without reading him either. holy shit why aren't there 13/14 votes on LS right now jesus christ.
shockeyy debate part 2
shockey is LS's top scum read , Shockey even pushes on LS when he returns to the thread. what does LS do in response, remember apparently he is a blue role.?
oh I had better not push shockeyy and instead go for BF just so I don't get lynched
initial case on shockey
On June 18 2015 13:25 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote:On June 18 2015 13:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 12:34 Breshke wrote:On June 18 2015 11:26 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote:
Also I really agree with bugs on the LS claim and also agree with rsoul that if he is doing it as scum his teammates have been telling him to do it which basically clear up an world of LS/KSC scum pair because he was the only one to pressure him hardcore i felt. Yay for associative reads.
Yet LS just claiming then not doing anything but defending himself with his blue claim feels really scummy. Can you do stuff man, if you are town I know you have it in you. People been pressuring non stop what else was I suppose to do -_- Does repeating "im blue" do anything? They know you claimed. Talk about other stuff Ya want to lynch Shockeyy with me? I want you to convince me why I should lynch shockey TLDR Case on Shockeyy: 1. His list post was rather shitty in terms of reasons 2. He been making excuses for his poor play 3. Some of posts seemed forced I will to vote Boxerfred if Shockeyy doesn't appear to be the lynch today but I think Shockeyy is worse than Boxer atm.
which breshke already pointed out was just horrible.
On June 18 2015 15:53 LightningStrike wrote:
Damn I just can't fall asleep I thought I was tired enough but apparently my body is saying nope -_- With people going to Boxerfred and I prob need to vote to save myself and liking some of the stuff people said about him (HF and Mig mainly) and the Shockeyy lynch doesn't look like it going to happen so I will put it on hold and will switch to Boxerfred now.
##Unvote
##Vote: Boxerfred
as blue, rather than use that you just leave your top lynch and sheep?
THAT IS NOT WHAT A BLUE WOULD DO IN THAT POSITION
Like you need to actually vote this
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On June 19 2015 00:29 GlowingBear wrote:
My problem here is: if you're town, you're not helping your team when you don't narrow a lynch list for today and discuss it with your townreads.
This kind of disorganisation always lead into a mislynch, since it's very easy for scum to manipulate people into voting who they want to.
me?
i'd lynch LS, bf, bugs and yamato
I want to read shockey again to see how I feel but I liked some of what he was saying last night.
He did promise a list post today so I'm waiting on that.
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On June 19 2015 00:57 GlowingBear wrote:
Bugs could be Mafia but he isn't being lynched today
The ones you said, I could get behind yamato, bf and shockey
Gonna make a case on Breshke later
Breshke isn't being lynched today so I won't read it
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On June 19 2015 01:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
yamato what do you make of the fact that GB just told me I'm apparently not helping town by attempting to consolidate yet he posts a list of players he'd like to lynch, none of whom are likely to get lynched today?
Oh =(
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On June 19 2015 01:12 wherebugsgo wrote:actually even more interesting is the fact that GB wanted to lynch onegu earlier but now in that list of players he doesn't mention onegu at all and he apparently has a "case" on breshke coming up? Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 01:11 GlowingBear wrote:
Good god bugs, I thought you were good
HF you should know by now that I'm town says the dude that is chiding others for not helping to consolidate yet is willing to lynch like 6 different people
I thought Gb said he took back that scum read on onegu, it's of the reasons I town read him
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On June 18 2015 15:16 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 15:14 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 15:06 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 14:58 ritoky wrote:
GB, any semblance of a read on VA? cuz he is kinda toward the middle of your ranking rather than "I DONT FUCKIN KNOW" territory. I can't read VA I don't trust any of his reads. I don't see an actual attempt to solve the game in his filter. But him being in the middle is because I have some kind very faint town read on people in the bottom. Which would mean you have at least a town lean on everyone else not on the list right? So what happened to this guy to make you read him town? On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:Actual Listpost v1.0 Probs town- Holyflare (not posting + ninja vote on Bill Murray isn't a thing I see scumFlare comfortable at doing)
- Damdred (tone reading, looks like town, fluid posts)
- NydusHerMain(? need to keep an eye on him because when he got universally townread he stopped caring and just
- came back to comment on posts that cited him, which is mafia indicative)
- Kelsier (? need to keep an eye on him because he oddly tried to disrupt town while throwing suspicions on LS without actually trying to convince thread with strong arguments)
- ritoky (trolled but jumped on rsoultin as a clear reaction to thread direction, not a strong read but could me town
- Breshke (thinking critically about the game)
- LS (a lot of activity early game, enough to grant him a day1 pass IMO)
Null- rsoultin (not caring for her today)
- Bill Murray (could lynch pls)
- Bugs (some of his approach looks scummy, some others look townie - in other words, I like that he pushes rsoultin but I dislike his unawareness of the rest of the thread - last game he was reacting to mostly everything but here he is tunneling rsoultin, which is a very easy behaviour for scum to adopt)
- Fidei (meh)
- Mig (who?)
Probs Mafia- Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
[*]boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread) boxerfred On June 17 2015 13:47 GlowingBear wrote:
My Day1 PoE lynchlist (from most preferred to least preferred target)
- Bill Murray
- boxerfred
- ShoCkeyy
- VayneAuthority
- Fidei86
- Mig
- Onegu
On June 17 2015 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 23:54 Onegu wrote:
GB and NHM town : ))))) ##Vote: OneguWhat about the Onegu rule you are so excited with, that got scum twice in the latest two games you played? I've reevaluated him later, he looks like town Onegu.
this is actually on page 8 of his filter
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On June 18 2015 14:32 GlowingBear wrote:
This should be the lynch list to discuss today:
- Lohengramm
- ShoCkeyy
- Fidei86
- Breshke
- Mig
- VayneAuthority
- boxerfred
Not in order.
Rsoultin and ritoky, is there anyone from here you don't want to lynch today?
and he posted this as well.
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belgh i quoted the wrong thing.
On June 17 2015 12:46 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 12:42 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 17 2015 11:51 GlowingBear wrote:Probs Mafia- Onegu (unnecessary need to claim VT ESPECIALLY after he was scumread for not claiming VT in a previous game + meta: town onegu is lazy and I don't see him giving himself the trouble to going into another game to paste an opening where he claimed VT as town + Onegu prefers playing as scum and he was too excited for rolling VT, meanwhile in the other game he was extremely upset he rolled VT)
- boxerfred (opening is a joke post commenting another joke post and fucking off of the thread)
boxerfred How do you have onegu as scum for that reason? It sounds like you're saying that he was scum read for not claiming VT so he didn't need to claim VT? So why shouldn't he claim VT if he's being scumread in other games for not claiming it? Also, if you think he prefers playing scum, don't you think he'd be posting a bit more than just "gosh darnit I'm VT" ? I meant that his need to claim VT right away felt like he was trying to gain towncred (as he was scumread for not claiming VT in another game), and this need to gain towncred fits better a mafia perspective than town perspective in my opinion.Actually, I decided to go re-read his filter and I've got another impression on his opening. It felt... bored. Meh. Breshke is right, my read on Onegu is weak. Rescinding the scumread now.
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Shockey I haven't forgotten the post you promised.
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On June 19 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote:
Also gb how on earth am i supposed to know you're town? You're pushing basically 0 people. You complain about thread not consolidating and then just make arbitrary lists of low content posters while exclaiming you just won't read actual cases on people.
You said you were gonna sheep me and did while exclaiming your dislike for the wagon based on 0 reasons (on rsoul, identical to you as mafia in got) you then just did absolutely nothing till i forced you to and have still done nothing. You're all about getting the thread to do stuff while doing no stuff and picking out weird things that don't make people mafia to push on with these weird fake questions too.
Please explain to me how that should equate to a town gb.
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On June 17 2015 12:47 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 12:35 Damdred wrote:
So if anyone cares I still think RS is town. care to explain or are you just white knighting here
can we P lynch bugs just for this post?
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On June 19 2015 01:35 GlowingBear wrote:
My wording is TERRIBLE in my latest post
Tell me if you can understand. In case you can't, I will rewrite it
lynching low activity is better than someone scummy. because if scum has a high activity they will give themselves away at some point whereas low activity is always a question.
that right?
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On June 19 2015 01:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 01:36 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 01:35 GlowingBear wrote:
My wording is TERRIBLE in my latest post
Tell me if you can understand. In case you can't, I will rewrite it lynching low activity is better than someone scummy. because if scum has a high activity they will give themselves away at some point whereas low activity is always a question. that right? Exactly!!!
well if i took LS off my list for that reason...like if LS was town
then BF, shockey, yamato
best list imo.
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GB i'd actually be interested in what you had to say about breshke.
reading through his filter I get the feeling that he was pairing shockey off against LS. like read his filter from page 2 onwards
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On June 19 2015 01:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. that's cool. you once made a terrible list post a couple hours into the day and it was terrible. can you do that again but make it less terrible this time? thanks. I will post my list in the morning. Going to let the posts rack up a bit more. I want to see others thoughts before I finalize it for day 1. town: nhm - nhm's posting just reads town motivated, but he probably will drop to town lean due to his inactivity. ritoky - I like your posting style from the start, it probably rubs off the wrong way to certain people, but I found it easy to be able to communicate with you town lean: breshke - He really comes off as my highest town lean atm, his posting is like the game before and he was town with me. damdred - my reasons before. rsoul - her post below put her into the town lean last night. Still wary because she talks about LS as if he can't be scum. scum lean: LS - Read filter, I gave quite a few good points on him. bugs - His case will come afterwards, but his protection of LS just seems weird + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? I'm down, what's weird is that you talk about GB being weird for jumping off the LS train, but you're pretty much also doing the same thing, but with a lot more content to it... lohen - based on thread and points brought up on him. He's new to the game, but still hasn't really posted much... Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:37 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Alright chops 4, btw what did you think of my push against LS and his responses to me? Also thoughts on rsoul? I agree with your points but not necessarily your conclusion. Because you seem to not regard the fact that he has done stupid claim shit like this as town on day 1 under no lynch pressure before. Your points aren't wrong, those are anti-town things and his responses to you are bleh at best. I learned from a recent Obs game that rsoul is an easy read for me in the late game. The problem is she shoots me as scum early in games and I shoot her as scum early in games so neither one of us ever gets there is we are opposing alignments. She is town for now cuz she seems interested in solving the game; will re-evaluate later. Except I expect after my outburst I am gonna get the HF treatment tonight. But what makes it the same as his previous claims? And I mentioned to him that it's easy to change meta, what are your thoughts on that? Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:40 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 14:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB give me your real thoughts on myself and LS, also what did you think of my push against LS? you were one of the few that I quoted. I don't remember it. I'll need to read your filter again. I think you're scum based on imperfect meta. I remember being on your skin last game and you kept being very... how could I say... cool headed? And I'm not actually seeing this here. LS has 8 pages of filter and I'm not lynching anyone like that day1 Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum? Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 14:32 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. oh i actually thought this was directed at rit lol >< dude, you're going to have to get over the fact that i'm ridiculously involved in threads. there's a method to the madness, and maybe it's not the best for town i'll admit but it somehow works best for me and regardless scum kills me frequently enough that apparently they don't like it either not really gonna change just cause people disapprove (especially since i doubt i can xP)if you read my filter, really read it, you will find what everyone finds and namely that is there's a ton more content than meets the eye if all you've got is me and ls that's bad for you cause you're probably not lynching scum lol Bolded the necessary points so you can start understanding.
hmm ok
what do you think about bf and GB
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On June 19 2015 01:49 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 01:28 Holyflare wrote:On June 19 2015 01:22 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 01:20 Holyflare wrote:On June 19 2015 01:07 wherebugsgo wrote:rofl anyone who doesn't understand the case on BF is apparently not reading according to HF e.g. On June 18 2015 02:33 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:27 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 02:23 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:
Hf
Why is your read on me so wishy washy?
The tone of your posts flips from townreading to scumreading pretty much every other post. You're not pressuring a soul but the afk.
bugs we're not lynching me. Find a better target How is my read wishy washy in the slightest? and if you don't think I'm pressuring anyone i suggest you read the game again Kindly show me this pressure. Cause you're definitely doing nothing to figure out my alignment if that's what you're about to reference. If you.feel.strongly enough about it to not probe further you're not pursuing your read/push with any vigor, and if you're not referring to me you're being even less effective. you definitely haven't read the thread then please, I've read the entire thread and the fact that I cannot come to a conclusion as to why people think BF is scummy is more of an indication of the shittiness of the push than me not reading. Since you agree with me on GB why don't we just kill him instead of BF or LS, both of whom I think are bad lynches today? Don't understand is entirely different to not knowing what it is. Your case is the latter which is bs if you've read the thread. I've made the case on him abundantly clear. You even just hosted a game with him in it and he's totally different from that. that's actually hilarious because internally that was one of the reasons I was considering him town. I don't think he is totally different from how he was playing in that game, but I didn't bother to use that as a reason because it's not really one that is easily qualifiable. If you actually think he is playing differently here you have no idea how to use meta. Answer these: Have you or have you not read the thread? If answer is yes, how on earth do you miss the repeated pushes I've made on him? All you've said is surface level crap of 'i read his filter and think he's town" while saying nothing as to the reason why and nothing about the case on him, nothing about how he's done absolutely nothing and when corrected does absolutely nothing some more. No way. yes. I didn't miss shit. I am simply pointing out how I think there is no real reason to lynch bf. Being able to summarize something after you've read it requires a different type of content. Basically, your posts don't stand out to me because they don't really point out things I necessarily agree with, with the exception on some of the things you said about GB. Admittedly it's also really hard to pay attention to everything when the game gets inflated by 500 posts while I was asleep and away from the thread. This prompted me to reread btw, with your filter side by side. You actually didn't really post on BF that much, which is probably why I remember you arguing with rsoultin more than bf. In fact one of the posts is just a quote of two of your previous posts (one of which was just a response to rsoultin) followed by a quote of your own vote. Beyond that you don't really do anything except inflate the impression that you are pushing him a lot and completely ignoring anything that could lead to the idea that BF is town. In particular if you just read this response to you here: Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 05:17 boxerfred wrote:On June 18 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 01:17 boxerfred wrote:On June 18 2015 01:14 Holyflare wrote:On June 18 2015 01:09 boxerfred wrote:
EBWOP: "So I'd like the more experienced players in here if HF is a player that is capable of changing his meta and who cares - or not." - "So I'd like to ASK ..." whether i follow or am capable of changing my meta or not is irrelevant because that post is nothing about how i am playing and everything about how rsoul was playing and misrepresenting my play to make some bs scum read on me not sure how you can make that post and not realise that I think that this is actually really relevant because if you're not the guy to change you're meta, you're most likely town. if I am to trust the meta read that someone (have to recall) made on you. Gonna look into rsoul too when I'm home. Just don't forget that all I did by now was skimming through the thread, reading Kelsier's and your filter. That's not too much, so my first conclusions won't be too great, eh? i try and change but always fall into the same spammy nature eventually either way your giant post says: i'm mafia because i am aware of my meta and pointed out someone lying about past games to "fake" a read on me i'm mafia because i posted that after i posted a small reply to a big post you should be coming to the opposite conclusion on the first line since i'm pointing out people doing scummy things - lying (but for some reason you ignore that and say it's scummy i know my meta?) and the second line isn't even true since it comes AFTER i made my vote and wasn't even in response to the big post since it was posted at the exact same time she posted the big onethen you say i could be town if i stick to my meta lol!??! how does knowing my meta relate to your read on me at all? IF i did something the same way 3 games in a row and someone says i didn't do that and i'm scummy for not acting the same way then i can't really comprehend how you could even make your case to begin with it pretty much makes me think you just picked a filter and decided to scum read someone and then forgot about what actually happened in their filter altogether and it's pretty scummy I'm saying that the fact that you know how your meta appears does make it impossible to let your meta speak for you. Especially if you point that out. My logic might be flawed but I feel like if you yourself know how you appear in town games, it's really easy for you to make the same appearance in a scum game, especially if your meta seemingly consists of joking around and making nonsense day 1. That alone does not make it scummy, yes, but the fact that you point towards your meta as an indicator of your town alignment means that you use your meta to your purpose which does indeed appear scummy to me. I don't know what line you refer to with the bolded part. The line I quoted came immediately after the huge post I quoted so that's why I took it into context. For me it looked (and looks) like you we answering to this post and I did not like the way you did it at all. And well, I learned by now that it is easily possible to horribly misread someone so I'm saying that yes, while I interpret your meta mentioning as scummy, it is very well possible that I am wrong and your play up to my post simply says "Yes, I'm town." All those things are indicators and rather weak points, I followed that up with a vote for two reasons: a) I only looked into Kelsier and you at this point b) I wanted to see your reactions to this post. So off of this reaction, I feel like it's an emotional response. It feels genuine. I like that. No matter what you think was scummy about any of BF's posts, this one should wipe them all out. He actually confronts you and responds to you in a manner that no new scum ever would do under the face of that kind of suspicion. He uses really fucking weird logic but that doesn't make him scum, just bad. That's no surprise given that this dude has played like 3 games up to this point. Given his open honesty and forthright perspective upon what made him actually post that stuff I don't see how you can still think he is scum. He admittedly hasn't done anything aside from that post and a couple of others but his attitude is fine and his opinions make sense from a new town perspective. I think the only thing scummy about him is that he hasn't come back yet but that can easily be explained by the fact that this game looks like it will easily surpass 2000 posts before the end of today. Indeed even though we only have 4 more players than both Witchcraft and the game I hosted, this game already has more posts than witchcraft (which includes the endgame!) and it is on par to exceed my game as well pretty soon. My game was a 4 cycle affair and in it boxerfred did not post as much and did not have much motivation to post given how people treated him, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if he feels the same here, in a situation where we have like 3x the posting activity.
I actually like this post and that makes me sad
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On June 19 2015 02:00 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 01:37 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 01:36 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 01:35 GlowingBear wrote:
My wording is TERRIBLE in my latest post
Tell me if you can understand. In case you can't, I will rewrite it lynching low activity is better than someone scummy. because if scum has a high activity they will give themselves away at some point whereas low activity is always a question. that right? Exactly!!! or, you know, the fact that this is a retarded opinion if you are town and actually incredibly indicative that you are scum Let's break it down. From a GB=town perspective first: it's not at all helpful because you eliminate entire possibilities when scumhunting and you invite scum to be more active by saying, "oh if you're more active we won't lynch you!" Townies, on the other hand, are not going to give a shit because they will continue to play like they will play and they could honestly not give a fuck what a player like you thinks. Indeed this is one of the biggest problems with using surface-level things like activity to attempt to scum hunt because you end up shooting yourself in the foot. You maybe catch the low activity scum if you are lucky or manage to use other clues to find them but it is incredibly rare that you can nail an entire team or even a significant portion of a team that way. It certainly wouldn't have worked in the game we played in together where you were scum, where all 3 scum members were active (AND YOU SHOULD FUCKING KNOW THAT IF YOU ARE TOWN) whereas town almost mislynched into some dude that was going to get modkilled anyway, and all the other lynch candidates would obviously not have flipped town like Shockey and Shining and Tubesock and whoever else was in that game and was scummy. So, if you are town in this game GB you should stop pushing anti town things and pushing like 7 different people with no reasons. On the other hand if you imagine this from a GB=scum perspective this is actually really great for GB scum to say this. If GB scum says we're only lynching inactives, it's easy to get town support because no one likes inactives. Reading active people is hard so it's really easy to fake scum reads on inactive players. Indeed this fits best with GB's style this game because he asserts he is "reaction fishing" when in reality this is just a thin veil to look for town sentiment. Similarly in the previous game where he was scum, GB was more than willing to let LS, his scum teammate, live on day 1 but instead he wanted to push someone like Stutters who wasn't doing shit. Why else would he ask me whether I would lynch VA randomly yet offer none of his own thought process? This in particular is very scummy because he was the one that prodded me for not providing opinions, yet when I do he offers absolutely nothing in return! At no point did GB actually make any sort of reasonable attempt to work with me despite claiming to want to do so. Indeed, he actually undermines what I am doing by saying that I am not attempting to get town to consolidate yet being the biggest offender by far of the very things he is accusing others of doing. Lastly, the whole "we're not going to lynch actives" thing is great for his scum style because as he proved in the last game, he is a very active scum player. When pushing the idea that we shouldn't lynch active players because it's a bad idea, he's masking his own style as scum because he himself is an active scum player. It's merely a stone that he is using to knock out multiple birds at once-it's a play in his own self interest in multiple ways. That coupled with his complete lack of reads and reasons this game pretty much confirms he is scum.
hold on..are you actually town?
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On June 19 2015 02:06 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 02:02 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 02:00 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 01:37 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 01:36 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 01:35 GlowingBear wrote:
My wording is TERRIBLE in my latest post
Tell me if you can understand. In case you can't, I will rewrite it lynching low activity is better than someone scummy. because if scum has a high activity they will give themselves away at some point whereas low activity is always a question. that right? Exactly!!! or, you know, the fact that this is a retarded opinion if you are town and actually incredibly indicative that you are scum Let's break it down. From a GB=town perspective first: it's not at all helpful because you eliminate entire possibilities when scumhunting and you invite scum to be more active by saying, "oh if you're more active we won't lynch you!" Townies, on the other hand, are not going to give a shit because they will continue to play like they will play and they could honestly not give a fuck what a player like you thinks. Indeed this is one of the biggest problems with using surface-level things like activity to attempt to scum hunt because you end up shooting yourself in the foot. You maybe catch the low activity scum if you are lucky or manage to use other clues to find them but it is incredibly rare that you can nail an entire team or even a significant portion of a team that way. It certainly wouldn't have worked in the game we played in together where you were scum, where all 3 scum members were active (AND YOU SHOULD FUCKING KNOW THAT IF YOU ARE TOWN) whereas town almost mislynched into some dude that was going to get modkilled anyway, and all the other lynch candidates would obviously not have flipped town like Shockey and Shining and Tubesock and whoever else was in that game and was scummy. So, if you are town in this game GB you should stop pushing anti town things and pushing like 7 different people with no reasons. On the other hand if you imagine this from a GB=scum perspective this is actually really great for GB scum to say this. If GB scum says we're only lynching inactives, it's easy to get town support because no one likes inactives. Reading active people is hard so it's really easy to fake scum reads on inactive players. Indeed this fits best with GB's style this game because he asserts he is "reaction fishing" when in reality this is just a thin veil to look for town sentiment. Similarly in the previous game where he was scum, GB was more than willing to let LS, his scum teammate, live on day 1 but instead he wanted to push someone like Stutters who wasn't doing shit. Why else would he ask me whether I would lynch VA randomly yet offer none of his own thought process? This in particular is very scummy because he was the one that prodded me for not providing opinions, yet when I do he offers absolutely nothing in return! At no point did GB actually make any sort of reasonable attempt to work with me despite claiming to want to do so. Indeed, he actually undermines what I am doing by saying that I am not attempting to get town to consolidate yet being the biggest offender by far of the very things he is accusing others of doing. Lastly, the whole "we're not going to lynch actives" thing is great for his scum style because as he proved in the last game, he is a very active scum player. When pushing the idea that we shouldn't lynch active players because it's a bad idea, he's masking his own style as scum because he himself is an active scum player. It's merely a stone that he is using to knock out multiple birds at once-it's a play in his own self interest in multiple ways. That coupled with his complete lack of reads and reasons this game pretty much confirms he is scum. hold on..are you actually town? This reaction doesn't feel genuine to me.
alright then do something
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On June 19 2015 02:09 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 02:02 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 02:00 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 01:37 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 01:36 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 01:35 GlowingBear wrote:
My wording is TERRIBLE in my latest post
Tell me if you can understand. In case you can't, I will rewrite it lynching low activity is better than someone scummy. because if scum has a high activity they will give themselves away at some point whereas low activity is always a question. that right? Exactly!!! or, you know, the fact that this is a retarded opinion if you are town and actually incredibly indicative that you are scum Let's break it down. From a GB=town perspective first: it's not at all helpful because you eliminate entire possibilities when scumhunting and you invite scum to be more active by saying, "oh if you're more active we won't lynch you!" Townies, on the other hand, are not going to give a shit because they will continue to play like they will play and they could honestly not give a fuck what a player like you thinks. Indeed this is one of the biggest problems with using surface-level things like activity to attempt to scum hunt because you end up shooting yourself in the foot. You maybe catch the low activity scum if you are lucky or manage to use other clues to find them but it is incredibly rare that you can nail an entire team or even a significant portion of a team that way. It certainly wouldn't have worked in the game we played in together where you were scum, where all 3 scum members were active (AND YOU SHOULD FUCKING KNOW THAT IF YOU ARE TOWN) whereas town almost mislynched into some dude that was going to get modkilled anyway, and all the other lynch candidates would obviously not have flipped town like Shockey and Shining and Tubesock and whoever else was in that game and was scummy. So, if you are town in this game GB you should stop pushing anti town things and pushing like 7 different people with no reasons. On the other hand if you imagine this from a GB=scum perspective this is actually really great for GB scum to say this. If GB scum says we're only lynching inactives, it's easy to get town support because no one likes inactives. Reading active people is hard so it's really easy to fake scum reads on inactive players. Indeed this fits best with GB's style this game because he asserts he is "reaction fishing" when in reality this is just a thin veil to look for town sentiment. Similarly in the previous game where he was scum, GB was more than willing to let LS, his scum teammate, live on day 1 but instead he wanted to push someone like Stutters who wasn't doing shit. Why else would he ask me whether I would lynch VA randomly yet offer none of his own thought process? This in particular is very scummy because he was the one that prodded me for not providing opinions, yet when I do he offers absolutely nothing in return! At no point did GB actually make any sort of reasonable attempt to work with me despite claiming to want to do so. Indeed, he actually undermines what I am doing by saying that I am not attempting to get town to consolidate yet being the biggest offender by far of the very things he is accusing others of doing. Lastly, the whole "we're not going to lynch actives" thing is great for his scum style because as he proved in the last game, he is a very active scum player. When pushing the idea that we shouldn't lynch active players because it's a bad idea, he's masking his own style as scum because he himself is an active scum player. It's merely a stone that he is using to knock out multiple birds at once-it's a play in his own self interest in multiple ways. That coupled with his complete lack of reads and reasons this game pretty much confirms he is scum. hold on..are you actually town? if you are town do you legitimately find these posts useful? Like, maybe I should just continue ignoring you even though I think you are more likely to be town now, but I would say you are one of the top 3 reasons this thread is so huge and full of useless posts, like, for example this one. Antagonizing people for reactions might be useful but just doing it just to do it is completely pointless if you are town. I realize this may sound weird coming from me, one of the most aggressive players on the forum, but I'm pretty sure the reason that some of these players in this game aren't posting is because there are so many posts in this game and so many of them from you in particular are hostile.
ok i will stop posting and everyone can stop crying
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I actually think bugs is town now
this Gb case is interesting
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On June 19 2015 03:12 GlowingBear wrote:.:Case on Breshke:. 1) Town read on LS but willingness to lynch him+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 07:54 Breshke wrote:WBG trying to sniff out the smurfs. It is like it's a holy crusade. I agree with GB that LS is town. Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I finally rolled town and I hope bugs had rolled town too since he played really good in the last game I played with him when I was scum vs his town :o This post gives me good townie feelings On June 18 2015 18:38 Breshke wrote:
My Vote is on BF but it is very likely ill switch to LS.
Lohen you say the blueclaim comes from town ls more likely than mafia ls.
Why does town LS claim blue there Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote:
Also I really agree with bugs on the LS claim and also agree with rsoul that if he is doing it as scum his teammates have been telling him to do it which basically clear up an world of LS/KSC scum pair because he was the only one to pressure him hardcore i felt. Yay for associative reads.
Yet LS just claiming then not doing anything but defending himself with his blue claim feels really scummy. Can you do stuff man, if you are town I know you have it in you. This WIFOM is very uncharacteristic and makes no sense IMO. Felt like he saw an opportunity to fake contribution with something that noone can rely upon. 2) Faint defense on me without actually giving thoughts on why my posts sounded townie/mafia+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 08:15 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:07 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:03 Breshke wrote:
WBG is trying to hunt for who the good players are again and it doesn't necessarily make him mafia it just makes him big headed have you played with any of these players much? what do you think of LS's posts this game so far? Some but I wouldn't say I can judge who is good and who is bad nor would I really want to. I assume thats why you are asking me this question. I really liked his opening. I find it hard thinking that LS could make that first post as scum idk it just feels really genuine. Also the rest of his posts don't really seem forced which I think is one of the biggest giveaways for scum LS and is something that would be hard to change. Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:08 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:06 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 08:03 Breshke wrote:
WBG is trying to hunt for who the good players are again and it doesn't necessarily make him mafia it just makes him big headed How did you reach this conclusion? I'm not going to speak for him, but given that he played with me in the previous game while you were busy being scum, and he actually uses his head (unlike you) you should consider thinking a bit more like him and a little less like you Also relax with this. GB coached me a bunch when I first started, I honestly don't understand why you are acting like him since he was scum last game so any reasoning you thought was bad from him doesn't mean shit because he was scum. On June 17 2015 08:30 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 Breshke wrote:
Also relax with this. GB coached me a bunch when I first started, I honestly don't understand why you are acting like him since he was scum last game so any reasoning you thought was bad from him doesn't mean shit because he was scum.
nah I'm not sure GB gleaned anything useful about anyone's play from the last game given that he was scum if he is town this game he should probably consider that at the very least, given that it is his only exposure to my play SO you think GB should try meta read you off of one game? On June 17 2015 08:55 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:48 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:36 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 08:33 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:30 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 08:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 Breshke wrote:
Also relax with this. GB coached me a bunch when I first started, I honestly don't understand why you are acting like him since he was scum last game so any reasoning you thought was bad from him doesn't mean shit because he was scum.
nah I'm not sure GB gleaned anything useful about anyone's play from the last game given that he was scum if he is town this game he should probably consider that at the very least, given that it is his only exposure to my play SO you think GB should try meta read you off of one game? I would expect him to at least consider my last game, yes. Your question comes off as really leading though, there's not some sort of binary extreme between being incapable of reading someone and having to autoread them after one game. Not all players fall into that, although some tend to be very easily distinguishable. But I'm probably biased given that I think I am pretty easy to read as town. Yeah it was leading because I have a problem with how you consider yourself. I know you say you are a much better scum player than town player right? Yet you also think you are an easy townread which doesn't make sense if your scum play is better than your town play. Does it not mean people should be wary of you even if they are reading you town. I think I'm a better scum player than town but I would rate my town play like 2 on a scale of 1 to 10 and my scum play as a 5 I think it's fairly obvious when I am town because I personally put in far more effort when I am town. For example in the last game I must've read at least half a dozen of LS's games over the space of day 1 just to make sense of his posts. It's actually a point of frustration for me when the only serious lynches I've had to deal with were all as town because normally I take almost no suspicion at all when I am scum. I think I've been lynched twice as scum and both times I felt it was not really my fault and more a fault of my lazy teammates. Also people have said what you have said before and I welcome people to scrutinize my reads and my play. It'll help me get better at least, but I find it odd that most people call me town when I am scum and scum when I am town. hmm. I assumed your self rating of your scum play would be higher since in witch you said you were 90% sure you were better than me as scum. I guess this fits in with your other opinion that 99% of people on this forum are bad at playing scum. But moving on. If you think it is obvious that you are town because of the effort you put in how do you think GB would read you town when you havn't shown to be putting in this extra effort yet this game. Not that you havn't been putting in effort but I wouldn't say it compares yet to last game. This has a lot to do with being two hours in but still I don't follow how you think GB should have that read on you. This also isn't really going anywhere because I don't think it makes you scum I just think it shows that you want to call GB bad. The greatest problem here is that he townread me very fast in our latest games but he doesn't hesitate to give me a town read here, which is weird. I'd expect a townie to be more paranoid. 3) Constantly white knighting without having any real pushes/reads other than null+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 11:08 Breshke wrote:
WBG let me explain this for you.
Rsoul used to think she had a good read on LS because she caught him scum in her first game but then basically townread him almost every game after that. She was obviously wrong eventually and realized her read was either wrong or LS changed his play. She still gets those frequent townreads on LS so when she was reading LS town this game she was hesitant about it but then because many others were also reading him town she felt less bad about it.
Now explain if the above thing is scummy or not because i ceebs you and rsoul going at it because she explained it in an rsoul way and you reacted to it in a bugs way On June 17 2015 11:28 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, Bugs, I want first to actually form a read on you. And for that I need to know how you're approaching the game.
Opinions on other players, for example, help me with that.
I wouldn't lynch her day one solely for activity. So talking about her NOW is a waste of time.
And talking ABOUT you is also. But talking WITH YOU is important to me. I think we have much better targets.
This fight between you two actually feels very weird. Yes yes yes this. The fight isn't going to go anywhere either because I think you are both too stubborn and 20 posts later you are still going to be going on about the same thing. So let's move on and come back later if need be. On June 17 2015 11:40 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 11:06 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 10:58 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:On June 17 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 10:45 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh, Bill Murray confirmed?
##Vote: Bill Murray GB pls no Was your list listed from like most scummy to least scummy? If not who do you think is most scummy? It wasn't, and I have a tie between Onegu and boxerfred right now. I think Onegu is a better lynch, actually I'm really wary of Kelsier now, btw. Why for kelsier? I think his attempt of rediscuss LS was actually an attempt to disrupt town ("let me raise suspicions on a guy I can raise suspicions so town doesn't actually make a good PoE list") Just how I felt. Of course I need other evidence, but it was enough to take him out of the town list I missed this but good point I kind of think your reason for scumming onegu is weak. I get that the way he worded the VT claim was awkward but I think thats townie if it is alignment indicative at all. I feel he would be more like careful of the post as scum. To me, it sounds like a mafia trying to look contributive townie without actually having to work with pressuring people and solving the game. 4) Sudden easy townread on me and bugs even when bugs said he was better as scum and after playing a game where I was scum and got Breshke calling me basically confirmed town.+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 13:46 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 13:15 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 13:11 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 12:58 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, trust the tone read rsoultin gives on damdred and me
I've been discussing games with her for a long while and he does that every time. And she does it correctly.
Like, I told her I was freezingfoot last game and she said: you're scum right? you don't feel like town gb
I trust her tone reads as genuine
What is rubbing me the wrong way is the shitfight she entered and the refusal to get off of it. I agree the shitfight is not helping town but I don't think it is alignment indicative. Even before they interacted i knew her and bugs would not get along no matter their alignment unless they were mafia together. That is like the only thing I got out of that shitfight the fact that they i think they can not be mafia together. But yeah I don't think you should judge them on the shitfight because it is jsut their personalities and yeah its boring as fuck but it is because they are both stubborn. They both seem likely town to me now another reason the shitfight is boring as hell. GB why are you sheeping HF? Wheres the townread come from you might have said but i missed it. What about each of their play outside of the shitfight gave you these town reads then? Bugs is very similar to last game and is acting exactly how i expect him too as town for example almost started going after nydus because he thought he was a smurf, continued to hunt for good players to try and get their opinions. I also liked the effort he out in when i asked him to dive damdred. Rsoul i wont count the most recent thing i said because that was after i posted that. I don't actually remember the reason I think it was a gut thing or because she was being difficult. On June 17 2015 16:09 Breshke wrote:I'm not very good at getting scumreads in games that move this fast I tend to focus too much on the moment and not the big picture of the game and dont go back and really read stuff so you are probably going to be dissapointed nydus I currently have three people I would lynch. boxerfred bill Murray shockey Boxer for his one post on a joke then leaving. Makes me think he isn't intrested in people allighnments Bill murray for HF's thing. I can see him confirming and then not being bothered to play it out if he rolled scum again after last game. and shockey because he disagrees with basically everyone on LS yet didn't seem to enquire with anyone about it. Which also makes me think he didn't really care about his read. All 3 of these are obviously very inactive which is probably a bad thing. I do however think GB and rsoultin are both really town. GB for his general play and how he has been treating bugs and how fluid his reads have been and rsoultin for how she claimed to get a read on me this game. I also still think LS is town for all earlier reasons and it doesn't change my read that he hasn't been around. Damdred is also in my town pile even though I havn't looked into him much at all but i trust rso's read and I like it even more because my other top town gb said to trust rso's read. I also like this post for ritoky Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 13:52 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 13:51 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 13:51 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 13:49 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 13:47 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 13:46 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 13:15 ritoky wrote:On June 17 2015 13:11 Breshke wrote:On June 17 2015 12:58 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, trust the tone read rsoultin gives on damdred and me
I've been discussing games with her for a long while and he does that every time. And she does it correctly.
Like, I told her I was freezingfoot last game and she said: you're scum right? you don't feel like town gb
I trust her tone reads as genuine
What is rubbing me the wrong way is the shitfight she entered and the refusal to get off of it. I agree the shitfight is not helping town but I don't think it is alignment indicative. Even before they interacted i knew her and bugs would not get along no matter their alignment unless they were mafia together. That is like the only thing I got out of that shitfight the fact that they i think they can not be mafia together. But yeah I don't think you should judge them on the shitfight because it is jsut their personalities and yeah its boring as fuck but it is because they are both stubborn. They both seem likely town to me now another reason the shitfight is boring as hell. GB why are you sheeping HF? Wheres the townread come from you might have said but i missed it. What about each of their play outside of the shitfight gave you these town reads then? Bugs is very similar to last game and is acting exactly how i expect him too as town for example almost started going after nydus because he thought he was a smurf, continued to hunt for good players to try and get their opinions. I also liked the effort he out in when i asked him to dive damdred. Rsoul i wont count the most recent thing i said because that was after i posted that. I don't actually remember the reason I think it was a gut thing or because she was being difficult. have you ever played with bugs when he was mafia? No. I understand the failures of the read but I don't care So you're saying you have town reads on them outside of their fighting and the reasons are: -incomplete meta read -i don't remember ?????? wat? Yeah that sums it up fairly well. content wise this is such trash mafia crap. but tone wise your defiance gives me a town chub. fuck you for sending mixed signals. Because I think it would have been so easy for him to shit on me there but he didn't. Again, I've just played a game with him as scum and he was townreading me. I'd expect him to be more cautious if he is town. Bugs is the same. Breshke accepted the idea that bugs can be better as scum than as town, but doesn't hesitate to give bugs a town read. 5) Having suspicions on Shockey but needing LS to convince him that Shockey is scum+ Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 10:39 Breshke wrote:@Shockey I don't have a problem with you not having that much time to play but when you have a read that is the oppisite to the thread I find it not townie that when you are around you don't try to discuss this read and either work out if you are wrong or try and convince people they are wrong. Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 23:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Nah, people are talking about having lurkers post more and LS even said he wish I would post more. Either way, we still are on day 1, there still a lot of time to build a case and gather better reads. I'm not to worried about coming off as scum atm, cause when I lay the hammer, people will see how serious I am about winning for town.
When i first read this it felt really genuine but on re read "lay the hammer" is really awkward wording and feels forced. I don't agree with damdreds thing on shockey ebcause when shockey said "do you think this has any value" or whateve i don't think he was calling damdred scum more like is this useful to talk about. Would also still lynch BF because of the HF stuff. Although im fairly sure it is based off a misunderstanding but that doesn't really make me think it is not scummy because it shows that BF most likely went into it wanting to scum HF. I could be wrong tell me if I am but yeah so BF says that HF knows his own meta so can't use it to defend himself or whatever but this was never actually what happend. What actually happened was that rsoul said "this is your meta you arn't doing this" and then HF said "no this is actually my meta i am doing this". While still kind of using his meta in defense he wasn't the first to bring it up so he isn't saying he is town because he is following his meta he is saying rsouls accusation is bullshit. @BF can you tell me if what i wrote above changes your views on anything i get i didn't express it very well On June 18 2015 13:48 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 13:42 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 13:33 Breshke wrote:On June 18 2015 13:25 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote:On June 18 2015 13:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 12:34 Breshke wrote:On June 18 2015 11:26 LightningStrike wrote:On June 18 2015 10:53 Breshke wrote:
Also I really agree with bugs on the LS claim and also agree with rsoul that if he is doing it as scum his teammates have been telling him to do it which basically clear up an world of LS/KSC scum pair because he was the only one to pressure him hardcore i felt. Yay for associative reads.
Yet LS just claiming then not doing anything but defending himself with his blue claim feels really scummy. Can you do stuff man, if you are town I know you have it in you. People been pressuring non stop what else was I suppose to do -_- Does repeating "im blue" do anything? They know you claimed. Talk about other stuff Ya want to lynch Shockeyy with me? I want you to convince me why I should lynch shockey TLDR Case on Shockeyy: 1. His list post was rather shitty in terms of reasons 2. He been making excuses for his poor play 3. Some of posts seemed forced I will to vote Boxerfred if Shockeyy doesn't appear to be the lynch today but I think Shockeyy is worse than Boxer atm. Could you quote the posts which you think seem forced. These: On June 17 2015 09:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:rsoultin - idk wtf they're posting atm KelsierSC - reminds me of bugs, a butthole, but a town butthole Bill Murray - idk ritoky - Channel 4 Choppa ShoCkeyy - Town Onegu - Misclaim to VT? We'll see, I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt. Holyflare - Opening/Only post claims town lol. Damdred + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum On June 17 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:25 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:On June 17 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:08 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think LS is being that towny o.O. Am I crazy? I'm not saying he's not town but how do people have a "probs town" or "hard town" read on him already. Because they know my meta? Check the database lpus Witchcraft III for my meta if you want any seriously can you shut the fuck up already with this shit you have just taken a shit in your hand and thrown whatever came out into the thread. I don't think your town and bringing up all this meta crap so early on is fucking irritating Even if I'm right and your town keep the bm out of thread. Its not needed even if you are annoyed at this point. I'll substantiate later, but I don't believe nhm or ls are capable of posting such as these as scum. Both are somewhat meta based reads. Kel is just a maybe town. I know I'm town obviously I also think gb is a decent shot as town but don't tell him I said that you can explain ls right now actually...what has he posted that makes him town? There's a lot of shit but nothing of real value. There are two types of people that play mafia 1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree. As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish. He's town to me at this juncture. So Damdred, which one is it? Is LS scum cause you're town, or is LS town and you're scum? Or are you both town or scum? Also can you answer this? On June 17 2015 08:12 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:On June 17 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:current state of the thread: more updates to come. choppa 4 on the scene. Ugh can you tell me what your reads are atm based on stuff happening? Give it a day or two... Damdred can you substantiate your reads a bit please? Especially on LS and that other guy? Last game you were one of the first ones to give content and you gave pretty good explanations on each of them... You posted afterwards but never responded to this. NydusHerMain - Town? Fidei86 + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2015 08:13 Fidei86 wrote:
Evening guys. In case you haven't played with me before, this is my second game (first was Holy Guardians). Heading to bed now, but it looks like there'll be a ton of posts ready for me when I wake up ... Why post this if 40 mins later you're going to post again? On June 17 2015 08:57 Fidei86 wrote:
Everyone I played with in HG seems to be carrying on as they left off, except Onegu isn't shit-posting as much, though that's probably because the end of the last game was pretty hype and probably got him jacked to play again. Others will know GB better than I do, but in the HG ins thread he was poking everyone to make reads super early, so that probably means it's his natural play style. He gets a slight town read. I better see poking this game Breshke - His posting currently comes off as town to me atm Mig - waiting GlowingBear - Who knows, acts like a child when things don't go his way in town/scum games. LightningStrike - Acting like he cares? I don't know yet, but his posting looks familiar with his last game where he was scum (not caring about what he writes) wherebugsgo - Ego town butthole VayneAuthority - Not much boxerfred - First post is what? Going to leave now, in-laws are in town. Context of that post: He haven't posted for a little over 1 hour and seemed kinda forced to give a list of reads plus I felt like his reads weren't as insightful as his last game like when he was around he was pushing shit more than did this game. On June 17 2015 22:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Alright going to try and get this going here. I don't get why people care so much about activity? It's been known since this forum even started that people lurk and will always lurk. I can't be posting all day and night as some others here cause I own four businesses + consult major businesses. I use mafia as a past time and can post when I have free time. If you like my activity great, if you don't sucks for you. At least I try and help the town win rather than post non-sense and spam up the thread.
@Breshke - It's not that I didn't care about my read, is that every one and their mothers is already giving their read on LS. Why do I need to ask a question that was already answer?
@KSC - I don't get why you think I was going after damdred? It was just an early post to get more info on him and in return he got info out of me. I never even claimed I think he's mafia. If anything, his reads seem town motivated.
The list post I made was just have my notes out early. Today alone is my wife's birthday and I have planned to spend it with her - I even posted before game started I will be active mornings and nights (nights meaning before bed time).
@LS - I have, but I haven't been able to deep dive into them. Currently, I'm basing your posting style to your previous game we played together.
I'll be back at night and post follow up responses. I will also try to respond from my phone if possible. Outside the questions in that post it seemed much more fluff than anything. So your three reasons for scumming him were 1 bad list post 2. makes excuses 3. posts seemed forced But 3 is actually just 1 and 2 because the posts you said seemed forced are the list post and him making an excuse. Frankly i don't think shockey saying shit about not posting much is alignment indicative for him since he did it in witch (might have been post game) but he did do it so it is something he would complain about as either alignment. I don't know what to say to you LS it doesn't feel like you really think he is scum. On June 18 2015 14:02 Breshke wrote:
LS you still havn't convinced me on shockeyy.
Ive shown you he talked about not being able to post a lot in a game where he was town. So why do his excuses this game make him scum? This push doesn't feel natural IMO. It feels like he isn't okay with the boxer lynch and wants to find a reason to vote LS. If he found Shockey suspicions, I don't understand why he doesn't like the push LS is doing AGAINST Shockey. I'd expect Breshke to go against shockey instead of going against LS. LS has his particular style of play and LS not going further with his read doesn't make it alignment indicative IMO. 6) This post.Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 16:10 Breshke wrote:
I really don't like that post uhh
GB my scum list is like the top of your lynch list is it bad that they are all afk's What was he trying to accomplish with this question? It's horrible. "Is it bad?", I don't see townies having this need of confirmation from another townie. I admit this is weak, tho.
I don't think much of this case actually
point 1...look at the timestamps between your posts there is a whole lot of shit that happened in between
point 3 ...please don't use white knighting just because Rsoul is female, it makes you sound like a twat
point 5 ...I think he explained that he was trying to read LS and hence asking him about shockey..he did explain that to you already so.
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as to the other points
point 2 and point 4. if he has a faint defence of you and then time elapses and he calls you town it doesn't make it a sudden town read no?
point 6. isn't collaboration etc your whole thing now?
overall the case is bad
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On June 19 2015 03:22 GlowingBear wrote:+ Show Spoiler [from last game] +On June 08 2015 13:54 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 13:41 FreezingFoot wrote:On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:Hi On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf? Being a smurf is not alignment indicative. refusing to divulge relevant information sure is! identity is a large part of mafia. So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then? I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town. Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory. It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour. You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing. This post reveals how contrived his behaviour regarding smurfing is. He admits if there is a very good player smurfing, it is benefical to town because the town smurf can avoid a night kill. In other words, he understands that there is also mafia motivation to know who the player is, so they can know how to deal with him. Why does he insist in having the disguised person figured out then? This is also horrible because if you actually needed a player's background to properly play mafia, there would be no newbie games. So, his arguments are clearly forced / fabricated, as already revealed. It's not beneficial because the town smurf can avoid a night kill. It's only beneficial when that townie actually does something, which is usually the case when they are good. Which is why I told you, if that's the case (and you would know!) you certainly don't have to reveal yourself. Your failure to recognize this point is now really damning. I have pointed it out multiple times, yet you are completely fixated on cherry picking my posts. I have invited you to provide scumreads, and invited you to answer many questions that could prove without a shadow of a doubt that you are indeed town, but repeatedly you have failed to do so. If I were scum I would shoot the person with the best reads. It's clearly not you, because you're scum. It wouldn't matter if I'm talking to Foolishness in this game (and you're certainly not him) because your logic and your behaviour is unexplainable from a town perspective. You selectively cherry pick my posts in a way that paints you in the best light, and you repeatedly attempt to undermine my arguments by calling them bad without a shred of evidence backing you up. I'm going to stop crapping up the thread with you directly now, since it's probably just going to continue to scare people off from posting...although I don't really like how slow everyone is to come in and get involved. Again, to everyone in the game: PLEASE contribute, because we need a valid and diverse set of good perspectives to win this game of elimination. On June 09 2015 02:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
Yamato are you ignoring me or did you just miss my post?
I don't need your opinion on FF anymore but would like to know who you dislike aside from the lurkers. I think we have two potential lynches that are far better than lurker lynches. I aould give one of them like 95% chance of turning scum. I'm wondering if you have seen any player you would put in that category. This post shows that Bugs would consider lynching lurkers if he didn't have a better target. He is just having a strong scumread NOW, against me. + Show Spoiler [more from last game] +On June 09 2015 04:33 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 04:08 batsnacks wrote:On June 08 2015 15:05 Tubesock wrote:
Hi world!
Kickstart and Breshke I think are town. I actually like Freezing's response.
For the Great Smurf Debate of 2015 I don't care if Freeze outs or not. personally, I'm happy if he/she doesn't. Obviously, she's doing it for a reason pre-game. I don't get why you want to ruin that for them.
Anyway, anyone still around? Someone also said they thought foots was rsoultin before. idk, I personally wouldn't put much into that. First it was he/she and it could have been a matter of convenience to say "she". I know some people default to female pronouns when they are unsure. Even so, Tubesock could know FF's identity through some other means, e.g. they talked to a particular player and knew they were going to smurf in this game. With that said though, if Tubesock indeed does know FF's identity then it makes them both far more likely to be scum. That would be unfortunate (and rather weird, too) because I actually don't really think that's the case right now. ##unvoteGonna think for a bit, the lack of feedback from players is a little disappointing. bats, talk to me a bit. What do you think of other players in the game right now? Is this what you would expect from town yamato, onegu, Lightning? Have you played with Bill Murray before, and do you think he is town this game? You can see that he is worried about people that doesn't post much. He clearly goes for batsnacks here. I don't see this kind of attitude in this game. He was way more open minded in the last game. I think his post style here is very different.
that's a bit of a stretch and you know it
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GB look at the bottom of the second post in the first spoiler
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On June 19 2015 03:27 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 03:20 KelsierSC wrote:
as to the other points
point 2 and point 4. if he has a faint defence of you and then time elapses and he calls you town it doesn't make it a sudden town read no?
point 6. isn't collaboration etc your whole thing now?
overall the case is bad In that mean time, he admitted Bugs point on LS claim was good. In a balance between boxerfred and LS, I'm sure there is no world where Breshke would vote LS now. Regarding 2 and 4, maybe bad wording, but he has no real reason to call us both town. Especially me. Remember: he called me basically confirmed town in our last game. Point 6 isn't collaboration, is him being "omg they are all afk lol" and instead of having a conclusion out of this, he shifts this responsibility to me "HEY GB ISN'T IT BAD LOL".
well your case wasn't strong enough to convince me at all and after that and what you have been saying about bugs I would actually consider lynching you now.
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On June 19 2015 03:29 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 03:25 KelsierSC wrote:
GB look at the bottom of the second post in the first spoiler
Yes. In a sense, if he didn't have 2 better lynches, he would go policy. He didn't have any strong scumreads in this game until now. Therefore... Do you get what I'm trying to say here? He prefers 2 players BUT he thought about plynching lurkers.
...but he didn't he said he would rather lynch other people over lurkers...which isn't what you accused him of.
Like I said it's a massive stretch to reach the conclusions you did from those posts...
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On June 19 2015 03:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok lynch me then, already lost too much time with this
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On June 19 2015 03:33 GlowingBear wrote:
DUDE IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT SOMEONE WHO SAYS "WE HAVE 2 BETTER LYNCHES THAN LYNCHING LURKERS RIGHT NOW" IS SOMEONE THAT WOULD HAVE LYNCHED LURKERS AS PART OF A POLICY IF THOSE 2 LYNCHES DIDN'T EXIST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY
but that isn't even what he typed.
some other player wanted to lynch lurkers and he said he thought there were better lynches than that.
like it's a total misrepresentation of him.
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Can you actually explain what point you are making with this rather than just linking the page
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On June 19 2015 03:48 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 03:47 KelsierSC wrote:Can you actually explain what point you are making with this rather than just linking the page look like halfway down that page, he actually linked a particular page of the filter there
oh i got you now
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On June 19 2015 03:51 LightningStrike wrote:Honestly if Boxer doesn't vote we should lynch someone else because it would useless to vote someone that would get modkilled. The case on to GB is interesting and LOL at the caps lock he did it in GoT which was just quoted and again he did it a little bit in our last game when I was scum with him in Witchcraft. He could be scum based some of this stuff and I trust my townread on Bugs I willing to sheep him for now based on how Witchcraft went. ##Unvote
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On June 19 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 03:52 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 03:51 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 03:43 KelsierSC wrote:
LS what think you? Honestly if Boxer doesn't vote we should lynch someone else because it would useless to vote someone that would get modkilled. The case on to GB is interesting and LOL at the caps lock he did it in GoT which was just quoted and again he did it a little bit in our last game when I was scum with him in Witchcraft. He could be scum based some of this stuff and I trust my townread on Bugs I willing to sheep him for now based on how Witchcraft went. ##Unvote
##Vote: GlowingBear damn What?
because I felt good about this GB lynch and if you are voting him either i'm wrong on him or wrong on you
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On June 19 2015 03:57 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 03:56 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 03:52 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 03:51 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 03:43 KelsierSC wrote:
LS what think you? Honestly if Boxer doesn't vote we should lynch someone else because it would useless to vote someone that would get modkilled. The case on to GB is interesting and LOL at the caps lock he did it in GoT which was just quoted and again he did it a little bit in our last game when I was scum with him in Witchcraft. He could be scum based some of this stuff and I trust my townread on Bugs I willing to sheep him for now based on how Witchcraft went. ##Unvote
##Vote: GlowingBear damn What? because I felt good about this GB lynch and if you are voting him either i'm wrong on him or wrong on you You wrong on me simple as that
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On June 19 2015 04:01 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:00 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 03:57 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 03:56 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 03:52 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 03:51 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 03:43 KelsierSC wrote:
LS what think you? Honestly if Boxer doesn't vote we should lynch someone else because it would useless to vote someone that would get modkilled. The case on to GB is interesting and LOL at the caps lock he did it in GoT which was just quoted and again he did it a little bit in our last game when I was scum with him in Witchcraft. He could be scum based some of this stuff and I trust my townread on Bugs I willing to sheep him for now based on how Witchcraft went. ##Unvote
##Vote: GlowingBear damn What? because I felt good about this GB lynch and if you are voting him either i'm wrong on him or wrong on you You wrong on me simple as that if you're town you are just the worst Says the guy lynched me Day 1 when I had hard claimed Cop and decided to counterclaim it as VT
look at your play this game
consider suicide
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On June 19 2015 04:02 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:01 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 04:01 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 04:00 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 03:57 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 03:56 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 03:52 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 03:51 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 03:43 KelsierSC wrote:
LS what think you? Honestly if Boxer doesn't vote we should lynch someone else because it would useless to vote someone that would get modkilled. The case on to GB is interesting and LOL at the caps lock he did it in GoT which was just quoted and again he did it a little bit in our last game when I was scum with him in Witchcraft. He could be scum based some of this stuff and I trust my townread on Bugs I willing to sheep him for now based on how Witchcraft went. ##Unvote
##Vote: GlowingBear damn What? because I felt good about this GB lynch and if you are voting him either i'm wrong on him or wrong on you You wrong on me simple as that if you're town you are just the worst Says the guy lynched me Day 1 when I had hard claimed Cop and decided to counterclaim it as VT look at your play this game consider suicide late Jesus that's harsh
i'm jk
but seriously wtf have you been doing
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On June 19 2015 04:04 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:02 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 04:02 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 04:01 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 04:01 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 04:00 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 03:57 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 03:56 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 03:54 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 03:52 KelsierSC wrote:
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damn What? because I felt good about this GB lynch and if you are voting him either i'm wrong on him or wrong on you You wrong on me simple as that if you're town you are just the worst Says the guy lynched me Day 1 when I had hard claimed Cop and decided to counterclaim it as VT look at your play this game consider suicide late Jesus that's harsh i'm jk but seriously wtf have you been doing Listening to Darude Astlay Sandroll and Smoking Weed?
that might explain a lot
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On June 19 2015 04:05 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
i wouldnt test HTS, you're gonna get modkilled for that sort of stuff. I seen Robik get 90 day'd by Gmarshal for a post in one of her games :o
well I was joking but if I offended you with that post. then my apologies.
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On June 19 2015 04:08 ritoky wrote:
I am very annoyed with GB, rsoul, and kelsier.
GB and rsoul were like "let's find scum" then didn't try to find scum very hard. then when they passed out i went scum hunting and plopped some work into the thread and neither one commented on it in the slightest. both were apparently reading me super town, so why the shit did they ignore it upon re-entry?
kels i am annoyed with because he promised to ask my question and didn't.
but LS explained when he got back
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On June 19 2015 04:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 03:52 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 03:49 Holyflare wrote:On June 19 2015 03:09 wherebugsgo wrote:
actually rsoultin, Mig, Breshke and HF I want to read your opinions on GB too. Maybe at least one of you will respond so I have something to work with. We have like 5 hours and I don't want to lynch either BF or LS today Quite clearly stated i scum read him and the reasons why. Will be back in about an hour to talk about stuff. +gb where did i ever say the mafia team was all lurkers other than a sarcastic jab at you a while ago? care to jog my memory? I recall you posting something pointing out the consolidation thing but you can pretend I'm a goldfish for the purposes of this exercise. I just want to know that you have real opinions I can trust. But of course if you don't wanna play we can have it your way Well it's on my last page of filter? Pretty much pushed gb all last night. Summary is: Hypocritical outlook on the game between you and himself Sheeps me while expressing disdain for the sheep (game of thrones meta same) Reads + questions that don't get followed up, aka va stuff etc (scum read on me completely vanished too) Started to afk and not do shit Got called out by me and still didn't do shit apart from asking me useless questions Said boxerfed read was shit, stayed on wagon anyway because of his read on boxerfreds first post???? Randomly nitpicked ls for no reason and then gave him a town pass for stuff that ls had already done before the nitpicking Says game is bad because no consolidation but just flat out refuses to even read cases on scummy people did no scum hunting while complaining about no consolidation Lurker cop out reasoning Misrepresents you and breshke hardcore Fake rage (game of thrones meta same) Probably shit tonne more that i forgot but this is top of my head
you guna vote him?
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On June 19 2015 04:09 Fidei86 wrote:
Like, how is telling someone to commit suicide in any way "funny". If you think it is funny, you've got a pretty warped sense of humour.
ok
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On June 19 2015 04:11 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:09 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 04:08 ritoky wrote:
I am very annoyed with GB, rsoul, and kelsier.
GB and rsoul were like "let's find scum" then didn't try to find scum very hard. then when they passed out i went scum hunting and plopped some work into the thread and neither one commented on it in the slightest. both were apparently reading me super town, so why the shit did they ignore it upon re-entry?
kels i am annoyed with because he promised to ask my question and didn't. but LS explained when he got back and his reason was he was annoyed with me pressing him But why not just claim named VT the moment the game begins?
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On June 19 2015 04:16 NydusHerMain wrote:
Or shcokey
so your scum list would be
Lohengramm, ritoky, Mig, BF, shockey?
i noticed you made this post about GB
GlowingBear - I had a bad feeling about him before but honestly, I think that if he was scum, he'd stick to his probably town read on me and wouldn't flip on it so easily after like two posts. It's going to stay in the back of my mind because I don't think the flip to me being neutral felt natural but meh it's a small thing. Otherwise, he's been really putting himself out there in terms of what all of his reads are and he's at least been interacting with me and trying to see how I think about some of him reads. For example, I asked him about his read on Onegu as scum and he changed that and then he proceeded to ask me why I didn't comment about his other scum read which, to be honest, was also a weak reason in the same vein as his scum read on Onegu. Seems like he's a little hesitant to push on anyone but I'll give him a town read for today.
Since that point there has been a lot of GB related discussion so did you read that and it didn't bother you?
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On June 19 2015 04:23 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:19 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 04:16 NydusHerMain wrote:
Or shcokey so your scum list would be Lohengramm, ritoky, Mig, BF, shockey? i noticed you made this post about GB GlowingBear - I had a bad feeling about him before but honestly, I think that if he was scum, he'd stick to his probably town read on me and wouldn't flip on it so easily after like two posts. It's going to stay in the back of my mind because I don't think the flip to me being neutral felt natural but meh it's a small thing. Otherwise, he's been really putting himself out there in terms of what all of his reads are and he's at least been interacting with me and trying to see how I think about some of him reads. For example, I asked him about his read on Onegu as scum and he changed that and then he proceeded to ask me why I didn't comment about his other scum read which, to be honest, was also a weak reason in the same vein as his scum read on Onegu. Seems like he's a little hesitant to push on anyone but I'll give him a town read for today. Since that point there has been a lot of GB related discussion so did you read that and it didn't bother you? Mainly Damdred, shockey, bf, onegu, ritoky as my main scum
ok, it's jsut you said scum were not voting/wasting their vote so I was a bit confused.
you damdred is on Bf right?
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On June 19 2015 04:27 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:25 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 04:23 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 19 2015 04:19 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 04:16 NydusHerMain wrote:
Or shcokey so your scum list would be Lohengramm, ritoky, Mig, BF, shockey? i noticed you made this post about GB GlowingBear - I had a bad feeling about him before but honestly, I think that if he was scum, he'd stick to his probably town read on me and wouldn't flip on it so easily after like two posts. It's going to stay in the back of my mind because I don't think the flip to me being neutral felt natural but meh it's a small thing. Otherwise, he's been really putting himself out there in terms of what all of his reads are and he's at least been interacting with me and trying to see how I think about some of him reads. For example, I asked him about his read on Onegu as scum and he changed that and then he proceeded to ask me why I didn't comment about his other scum read which, to be honest, was also a weak reason in the same vein as his scum read on Onegu. Seems like he's a little hesitant to push on anyone but I'll give him a town read for today. Since that point there has been a lot of GB related discussion so did you read that and it didn't bother you? Mainly Damdred, shockey, bf, onegu, ritoky as my main scum ok, it's jsut you said scum were not voting/wasting their vote so I was a bit confused. you damdred is on Bf right? be good if you answer the point about GB My wording was bad. I didn't mean all scum. I meant more as in a feeling that we're getting raped by lurkers
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On June 19 2015 04:27 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:25 ritoky wrote:On June 19 2015 04:22 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 04:21 ritoky wrote:On June 19 2015 04:18 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 04:15 ritoky wrote:On June 19 2015 04:14 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 04:11 ritoky wrote:On June 19 2015 04:09 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 04:08 ritoky wrote:
I am very annoyed with GB, rsoul, and kelsier.
GB and rsoul were like "let's find scum" then didn't try to find scum very hard. then when they passed out i went scum hunting and plopped some work into the thread and neither one commented on it in the slightest. both were apparently reading me super town, so why the shit did they ignore it upon re-entry?
kels i am annoyed with because he promised to ask my question and didn't. but LS explained when he got back and his reason was he was annoyed with me pressing him But why not just claim named VT the moment the game begins? Because I didn't feel like claiming named VT at the start of the game. cool, i am probably voting you this phase. But that is going to be a wasted vote when we got two wagons going on............ 1) you're spewing non-stop anti-town 2) people are already doing the "should we lynch LS this phase? naw reconsider next phase!" dance, which will go on many days and probably cost town the game 3) the other wagons aren't compelling enough to not vote on you 4) in some semblance i agree with onegu. i used to fake claim cop a bunch on these forums until some1 intentionally lost a game to teach me a lesson. you need to learn a lesson. Point 4 i going againist your win condition by intentionally losing a game do you want to be mod killed for that? I will be voting to lynch what I feel is the biggest impediment to town victory: you. To me you're just sitting in the thread loling and seeing how much anti-town shit you can get away with before your string of credit runs out. It annoys me, and it is terrible play if you're town. where exactly do you see this in LS's play? Like I legitimately don't understand the suspicion or where it comes from. Let's ignore the claim for a second, what are the other things you think LS is doing that are anti-town?
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On June 19 2015 04:32 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:30 Lohengramm wrote:
I'm going to continue to smurf for filter purposes, and because this account's name is fucking awesome. But yes, I am Yamato.
I will read filters until deadline. BF I have already read but if he's posted anything new I will give my thoughts. I will read LS closer but I really don't think he's mafia at all. As said before, I have a vague suspicion of GB but I admittedly only read like 10 pages.
For now, so I don't get modkilled after replacing in;
##Vote: boxerfred When you get caught up full can you tell me your thoughts on Bugs case on GB please?
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On June 19 2015 04:34 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:33 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 04:32 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 04:30 Lohengramm wrote:
I'm going to continue to smurf for filter purposes, and because this account's name is fucking awesome. But yes, I am Yamato.
I will read filters until deadline. BF I have already read but if he's posted anything new I will give my thoughts. I will read LS closer but I really don't think he's mafia at all. As said before, I have a vague suspicion of GB but I admittedly only read like 10 pages.
For now, so I don't get modkilled after replacing in;
##Vote: boxerfred When you get caught up full can you tell me your thoughts on Bugs case on GB please? why? Because I strongly believe in Bugs case on GB and their some correct meta about GB as scum sheep it to end of the day!
yes but why are you literally asking everyone the same thing?
will yamatos thoughts alter your decision in some way?
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On June 19 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, let's try it in another way.
KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare:
Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me.
I started reading WBS as town with his post about bf.
He then raised some interesting points about you and summarised points of your play accurately
You then made a very weak case on breshke which was actually bad enough for you to be mafia
and then you also attempted to discredit and misrepresent WBG afterwards.
Add on the posts linked by VA and Shockey from previous games when you all caps
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On June 19 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote:
choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.
one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want.
can you be tempted by a cheeky GB vote?
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On June 19 2015 04:43 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:41 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote:
choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.
one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want. can you be tempted by a cheeky GB vote? he isn't overwhelmingly town to me, so if you had solid reasoning, lay it on me. not in huge post form, condensed form.
i did that in response to him
On June 19 2015 04:37 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, let's try it in another way.
KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare:
Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me. I started reading WBS as town with his post about bf. He then raised some interesting points about you and summarised points of your play accurately You then made a very weak case on breshke which was actually bad enough for you to be mafia and then you also attempted to discredit and misrepresent WBG afterwards. Add on the posts linked by VA and Shockey from previous games when you all caps
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On June 19 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Kelsier, you're the strongest townread I have on my wagon.
Please consider me coming from town perspective and see if it couldn't happen.
well you do stupid stuff all the time so i guess there is that.
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On June 19 2015 04:50 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:47 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 04:43 ritoky wrote:On June 19 2015 04:41 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote:
choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.
one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want. can you be tempted by a cheeky GB vote? he isn't overwhelmingly town to me, so if you had solid reasoning, lay it on me. not in huge post form, condensed form. i did that in response to him On June 19 2015 04:37 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, let's try it in another way.
KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare:
Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me. I started reading WBS as town with his post about bf. He then raised some interesting points about you and summarised points of your play accurately You then made a very weak case on breshke which was actually bad enough for you to be mafia and then you also attempted to discredit and misrepresent WBG afterwards. Add on the posts linked by VA and Shockey from previous games when you all caps for the initial case you have to read bugs That's not really a compelling case. Maybe the compelling part is in the summarizing of play accurately? GB makes weak ass cases all the time as both alignments. He calls way more people mafia than could actually be mafia, and he types in caps as both alignments. If anything is mafia indicative about him it is that he went into OMGUS people voting on me = mafia mode at some point; and I didn't feel he was incredibly sold on the BF lynch prior to the change in gears. Although maybe my memory is foggy on that.
yeh I suppose that is a fair point, I remember imperial when he made a lot of dumb cases then...
I don't know , I liked bugs case a lot
and i felt he was really misrepresenting him with that lurker bullshit.
LS lynch might still be real if GB is actually town
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i mean technically it was a criticism of his gameplay
but yes I accept the warning and apologise for this, a lot of people let themselves get offended as a result.
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On June 19 2015 04:57 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 02:00 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 01:37 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 01:36 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 01:35 GlowingBear wrote:
My wording is TERRIBLE in my latest post
Tell me if you can understand. In case you can't, I will rewrite it lynching low activity is better than someone scummy. because if scum has a high activity they will give themselves away at some point whereas low activity is always a question. that right? Exactly!!! or, you know, the fact that this is a retarded opinion if you are town and actually incredibly indicative that you are scum Let's break it down. From a GB=town perspective first: it's not at all helpful because you eliminate entire possibilities when scumhunting and you invite scum to be more active by saying, "oh if you're more active we won't lynch you!" Townies, on the other hand, are not going to give a shit because they will continue to play like they will play and they could honestly not give a fuck what a player like you thinks. Indeed this is one of the biggest problems with using surface-level things like activity to attempt to scum hunt because you end up shooting yourself in the foot. You maybe catch the low activity scum if you are lucky or manage to use other clues to find them but it is incredibly rare that you can nail an entire team or even a significant portion of a team that way. It certainly wouldn't have worked in the game we played in together where you were scum, where all 3 scum members were active (AND YOU SHOULD FUCKING KNOW THAT IF YOU ARE TOWN) whereas town almost mislynched into some dude that was going to get modkilled anyway, and all the other lynch candidates would obviously not have flipped town like Shockey and Shining and Tubesock and whoever else was in that game and was scummy. So, if you are town in this game GB you should stop pushing anti town things and pushing like 7 different people with no reasons. On the other hand if you imagine this from a GB=scum perspective this is actually really great for GB scum to say this. If GB scum says we're only lynching inactives, it's easy to get town support because no one likes inactives. Reading active people is hard so it's really easy to fake scum reads on inactive players. Indeed this fits best with GB's style this game because he asserts he is "reaction fishing" when in reality this is just a thin veil to look for town sentiment. Similarly in the previous game where he was scum, GB was more than willing to let LS, his scum teammate, live on day 1 but instead he wanted to push someone like Stutters who wasn't doing shit. Why else would he ask me whether I would lynch VA randomly yet offer none of his own thought process? This in particular is very scummy because he was the one that prodded me for not providing opinions, yet when I do he offers absolutely nothing in return! At no point did GB actually make any sort of reasonable attempt to work with me despite claiming to want to do so. Indeed, he actually undermines what I am doing by saying that I am not attempting to get town to consolidate yet being the biggest offender by far of the very things he is accusing others of doing. Lastly, the whole "we're not going to lynch actives" thing is great for his scum style because as he proved in the last game, he is a very active scum player. When pushing the idea that we shouldn't lynch active players because it's a bad idea, he's masking his own style as scum because he himself is an active scum player. It's merely a stone that he is using to knock out multiple birds at once-it's a play in his own self interest in multiple ways. That coupled with his complete lack of reads and reasons this game pretty much confirms he is scum. are you talking about this post ksc?
yeh and the one after
On June 19 2015 02:14 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 02:09 NydusHerMain wrote:
I want to swap this to a bw on onegu but at the same time I'm okay with a bf lynch.
@bugs what's there not to get about what gb said? He's uneasy despite being one of the voters because it's got so many people voting on it whereas no one else is really up for vote consideration in comparison.
Gonna throw this out there and see if it sticks.
##Vote: onegu
If not, I'm fine with bf regardless. what doesn't make sense is the fact that he is uneasy about the lack of consolidation yet he does exactly what he claims is making him uneasy. He doesn't attempt to consolidate and instead his reads are constantly changing and he's adding new people he thinks are scum all the time. e.g. why would he bother to say that he's going to write up a case on breshke? I feel if that actually gets posted it's going to derail the thread even further rather than give us any further indication on who is scum. Given that his vote is on BF I would expect him to try to convince the rest of us to consolidate on BF, because that's what he says he expects other people to be doing-consolidating. It's also nearly impossible to know what he thinks because he refuses to work to flesh out reads despite claiming that it is what he wanted to do with me. He asked me maybe 2-3 one liner questions that ended up going nowhere because when I responded to him he gave nothing in return. That's quite odd for someone who claimed that collaboration is important in getting together a strong town day 1. If he unvotes BF and ends up voting someone else this will pretty much prove what I'm talking about. He might OMGUS me or maybe he'll go through with his statement on Breshke but even now it doesn't appear that he was genuine about his talk about consolidation and about his talk about collaboration.
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fuck it lets do this
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On June 19 2015 05:00 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:59 KelsierSC wrote:
fuck it lets do this
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Really the case on GB is better than any case on me and when I flipped Named VT promise me you will lynch GB after.
well you have like one vote on you at this point so let's calm down with what happens when you flip.
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On June 19 2015 05:10 GlowingBear wrote:Answer my points.
I think hf and wbg did a good job of that already
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I seek the answers that only a hot shower and earl grey tea can provide
back in a bit
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On June 19 2015 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Everybody who is voting me, in case I realy get lynched, I want you all to say "I promise I will think twice before lyching one of the biggest filters day1"
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On June 19 2015 05:20 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 05:19 rsoultin wrote:
tldr anyone? otherwise starting at page 77 @.@ Bugs made a case on GB and people want to switch to him from Boxerfred plus KSC and Shockeyy added in some meta into the mix for the GB case.
it was VA actually not me
I just talked about the Breshke case being bad
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quickly before I go
GB if you can link to a game of you putting all caps as town in this sort of situation it would be interesting
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brb going to heat up some milk , like a bawwss
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On June 19 2015 06:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Ok this is twice I've been ignored. Just going to park my vote here until 10mins before lynch time. Let's see what happens.
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hmmm
i mean what is your question. why not to vote for GB?
I think he answered that already in thread
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On June 19 2015 06:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Ok this is twice I've been ignored. Just going to park my vote here until 10mins before lynch time. Let's see what happens.
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I think what shockeyy has done is super scummy.
Early on I didn't like him.
when the pressure was on he went at LS after I had done so, was there anything new, felt opportunistic I don't know.
wait forever for him to come back
comes back with underwhelming list post.
on that post he was wbg and LS as his top scum.
he shows up now, fakes some weird anger that GB didn't respond to him specifically and then votes him out of nowehere and fucks off
this vote has to happen.
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On June 19 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote:
Yeah, I'm going against Shockey
hmm...i thought you had bf as a main scum read though
Ugh I don't know this is super fucking weird.
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why do we still have 2 no votes with 15 minutes left
what the fuck are you guys doing
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On June 19 2015 06:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Kelsier, ritoky, if you think BF vote on me was also weird, put him in majority before voting Shockey or I'll be lynched.
I won't do it because I will let you decide what is better.
I read the parting post from BF and i quite liked it on reflection, I don't want to lynch him and his vote makes sense.
I hate what shockeyy has done though.
like he is voting with his top two scum reads and hasn't said anything about it.
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On June 19 2015 06:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 06:45 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote:
Yeah, I'm going against Shockey hmm...i thought you had bf as a main scum read though Ugh I don't know this is super fucking weird. And he still hasn't fucking answered me? Don't you see? This is why I switched. I just posted it out flat for you and him to see why I switched my vote. It just drives me mad when a player can easily avoid me voting them by just answering my question. My read on GB was null as you can see... After he went off with his rage posts, I brought it up that he played just like that in the previous game where he was scum and a smurf... Now how is that weird that I vote for him?
what was your question, why shouldn't you vote for him
he has posted quite a few defences, he didn't say "here shockeyy this one is just for you" but it is in the thread so read.
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On June 19 2015 06:49 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 06:49 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 06:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 19 2015 06:45 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote:
Yeah, I'm going against Shockey hmm...i thought you had bf as a main scum read though Ugh I don't know this is super fucking weird. And he still hasn't fucking answered me? Don't you see? This is why I switched. I just posted it out flat for you and him to see why I switched my vote. It just drives me mad when a player can easily avoid me voting them by just answering my question. My read on GB was null as you can see... After he went off with his rage posts, I brought it up that he played just like that in the previous game where he was scum and a smurf... Now how is that weird that I vote for him? I sorry about thinking you are scum but now I thinking you're town bro after these last like 30 mins I think I found the light that you are more likely town than scum. lulz just lulz
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On June 19 2015 06:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 06:49 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 06:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 19 2015 06:45 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote:
Yeah, I'm going against Shockey hmm...i thought you had bf as a main scum read though Ugh I don't know this is super fucking weird. And he still hasn't fucking answered me? Don't you see? This is why I switched. I just posted it out flat for you and him to see why I switched my vote. It just drives me mad when a player can easily avoid me voting them by just answering my question. My read on GB was null as you can see... After he went off with his rage posts, I brought it up that he played just like that in the previous game where he was scum and a smurf... Now how is that weird that I vote for him? what was your question, why shouldn't you vote for him he has posted quite a few defences, he didn't say "here shockeyy this one is just for you" but it is in the thread so read. Can you just read my post previously? I asked more than "Why should I not vote for you"....
you asked him to read your filter..well he has been pretty fucking busy with other people
you have had this weird fake rage reaction like "well you are ignoring me so im going to pressure vote you..." in a situation that gets him lynched...it makes no fucking sense.
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i don't want boxer to die
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ugh I think I should have just stuck on GB rather than getting freaked out by shockeyy.
i fucked up
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Unless anyone has a pressing question I'm going to sleep and will read over everything that happened tomorrow.
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On June 19 2015 08:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Rsoultin, I think bugs is Mafia.
Am I tunneled?
Didn't you scum read breshke for something very like this.
When he said "is that bad"
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On June 19 2015 08:27 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 08:24 Breshke wrote:On June 19 2015 08:08 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 08:08 Breshke wrote:On June 19 2015 08:05 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 08:02 Breshke wrote:HF i think him saying there is 4 mafia is a weak and doesn't really make him scum. GB who is your top scumread as of now? Has your read on me changed at all? Also not sidetrack anything but On June 18 2015 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:Just woke up and had a question: On June 18 2015 17:48 Breshke wrote:
Actually when he is back next I want LS to explain WHY he claimed there. I was tired of being pressured to the extreme from KSC so I claimed there...... Why does one person pressuring you make you claim when you know that is a bad play? One person alone can not lynch you and many others were townreading you. Because honestly I really dislike pressure on me esp when it was hardcore pressure (See Metal Mini and Newbie LX where I claimed VT under pressure) and felt like KSC was hardcore pressuring me. But there is a difference between claiming VT and claiming blue. Even when the blue role is named VT. If you're town why do you care about being pressured especially when heaps of people thought you were town. I just don't respond to pressure well and you know this -_- So you would rather not be pressured which is a natural thing to happen in the game and instead have people flame you about claiming blue? I think the later is worse and I don't understand why your dislike of being pressured is greater than your dislike of people saying your play was bad and getting angry at you. Not be pressured I prefer more. But I got something to sya now guys. I lied about being named VT I just didn't like the type of pressured from KSC and KSC downgrading really bad so I faked claimed VT. I in fact got a VT pm and would rather get lynched if it's needed to clear up stuff on the wagons.
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If we have a vigi you shoot ls. If not then everyone in this fucking thread votes him and if that doesn't happen then lynch me or mod can replace me because I will have actually died irl
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On June 19 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:
bugs/shockeyy/LS; ship it.
I don't know about bugs but the other two yeh i think so
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On June 19 2015 08:46 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 08:45 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:
bugs/shockeyy/LS; ship it. I don't know about bugs but the other two yeh i think so bugs prompted shockeyy after he had been gone for hours, shockeyy shortly responded. sounds like someone knew he was here from a QT
Possibly id have to check it out.
Either way we kill shockeyy first and then if he is scum it gives your idea more weight.
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Like tomorrow I'm going to build a little fort. Its going to have me,hf,ritoky and breshke.
And I'm going to lock all the crazy outside of it.
Were going to lynch ls/shockey, drink squash and play cards.
Then once that's over we can figure out the game.
But no one else is allowed in until then.
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On June 19 2015 08:55 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 08:55 ritoky wrote:On June 19 2015 08:53 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 08:52 ritoky wrote:On June 19 2015 08:50 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 08:49 ritoky wrote:On June 19 2015 08:46 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 08:42 Breshke wrote:
LS I think it would be useful if you talked through the logic of unclaiming blue there
I also want you to hardclaim that you are VT. No going back on this. I am VT this game and I unclaimed because everyone questioned my claim I didn't really expect to much on and decided enough was enough. I prob just replace out because I just can't play this game as last Friday a friend of mine from High School died in a Car Accident and I only found out after I signed up. I thought that I can play but then with the shit happening this game I can't play it anymore and will commit Sudoku. I mean no offense to you or your situation personally; that sucks and I am sorry. However, that does not excuse your play and I am lynching your slot without question unless a vigi shoots you first regardless of if you sub out or not. Are you willing to play against your win conditions? Why are you fishing for modkills? You're BY FAR the most anti-town player in the game and towns victory. The ONLY reason you weren't lynched yesterday is your claim. It is invalid, so now the possibility of an anti-town blue is gone. You are scum. Die. FUCK OFF k, i won't post until my vote at the start of the day. I already sent the pm to HTS and FF to replace out.
Wow..that is some pretty weak shit.
I really hope you're mafia because if you are town you ... No I'm not being modkilled
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Oh yeh nydus is allowed in the fort too
If he brings pizza and hookers
But no one else
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hello, i'm catching up and reading over the lynch
post my thoughts then
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From where I last left off I think rsoultin has been posting pretty good and I agree with a large part of her list. for some reason I liked this post the most.
On June 19 2015 22:39 rsoultin wrote:
so this is where i'm at:
shock, mig, and either (gb, yama) or (bugs,va)
with gb still being the key to everything in my mind
and hopefully i'm not being a dolt and townreading scum somewhere @.@
because that is how I feel about everything right now. I am still in the GB is scum mindset. I seem to remember GB with his tongue real deep in.....well he seemed to be kissing up to rs in the thread and anyone who defended him. I still haven't read over the lynch
Only problem with GB being scum is what it says about LS.
pretty much everyone thinks he is town despite him playing incredibly scummy, even fake claiming to avoid pressure and then unclaiming in the night. but apparently he is still town? and those voting him want to teach him a lesson? I can't actually see any town motivation for anything LS has done. I just hope he dies in the night.
shockeyy didn't return to answer any questions but he did use the magic mafia words
On June 19 2015 09:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:Sorry guys, was driving/eating dinner, going to catch up. I saw BF flipped town. So brings me back to this: Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 06:27 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 06:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Ok this is twice I've been ignored. Just going to park my vote here until 10mins before lynch time. Let's see what happens.
##unvote
##vote GlowingBear like this is really fucking weird You bitch about me switching to GB, then now bitch about me switching off, which one did you want? I switched to GB due to reasons mentioned. I would of stayed there, but BF's filter was scummy too. BF disappears before vote ended while GB kept defending himself, which made me second guess the vote and I switched to BF.
My problem with shockeyy was his actual reasons for voting GB and now he comes back with this and then leaves despite extra questions.
He is a really good vigi shot/lynch candidate.
also "which one do you want" is like "what do you want from me" which are the mafia magic words.
@rsol
you asked me about the bf post. I honestly can't give you more than I liked the tone of his post , it just made me feel good.
going to back to rsol though, I completely disagree with the Fide read. He has very low input , voted bf (admittedly I need to see his filter properly) and most of the time he has just been complaining and bitching about post count. Now maybe he is busy buying cheese to go with his whine but I don't have a town read at all. furthermore his big "revelation" is that VA is scum? Even though VA plays like he pretty much always plays and wasn't even a discussion point.
I wouldn't have damdred as town anymore either , he is completely null to me at this point.
I think that is all i want to say before I properly look over the lynch
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On June 20 2015 00:55 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 00:48 Onegu wrote:On June 20 2015 00:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm not a teacher, I'm not lunching possible town LS to teach him a lesson I dont want you to lunch him I want you to lynch him. Next game when LS rolls Cop an Important role and claims day one with town you for shit reasons. And is shot N1 and you lose because you lost your cop you will be all like DAMN ONEGU TOO SMART IF ONLY I PLYNCHED LS THAT GAME WE COULD HAVE WON. Or next game LS rolls scum and fake claims because it is his town meta to do so against town GB and you dont lynch him because that is his meta. You will be all like DAMN ONEGU TOO SMART IF ONLY I PLYNCHED LS THAT GAME WE COULD HAVE WON. I only ever claimed Cop Day 1 when I was getting lynched in my first game ever check database if you want proof Also why you playing against your win condition? Unless you are scum this is getting old(Yawns).
killing you is playing to the town win condition regardless of your alignment,
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On June 20 2015 00:59 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 00:49 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 20 2015 00:34 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 00:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
This might be my last post unfortunately
Tomorrow when I am not around lynch GB, when he flips scum lynch Shockeyy. If he miraculously somehow doesn't flip scum then consider players like Onegu, rsoultin, and yamato, because if we had 2 town wagons yesterday scum are likely to be the ones who were lurkish or those who didn't really have scum reads Not a single mention on Mig, who raised suspicions on me but did not vote me. But Shockey? Oh, he IS Mafia. LOLOLOLOL Bugs, pls Actually it's a little weird you constantly point out Mig, can't tell if that's because you are trying to associate or disassociate. But yes I forgot about him, if you flip scum he's probably scum too since he said he would vote you but didn't I will only associate after one of you flips But my problem here is your discourse in the beginning of the game "Mig is the only one I know and that I have a good grasp on his play" and completely forgetting him. He then comes to the game and you comment on him and give him a town read ONLY when inquired. Then you're in this HELLISH tunnel on me that everybody that defends me is almost instantly scum (you said to Rsoultin "lol you're probably Mafia with GB" and you are locking on lynching Shockey right after me), but Mig is out of that. As you know Mig's play I thought you could say "doing that, although wrong, is his town play", but you said you FORGOT about him and that he is PROBABLY MAFIA. lol Double standards much? You're not trying to solve the game at all, you're just pushing an agenda that feels good to you.
GB before bugs went against you who would you say the most likely lynch candidates were going to be?
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On June 20 2015 01:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Also interesting note about GB regqarding rsoultins points:
1. He does do it as both alignment but does it more as scum than town juding from a small sample size.
2. I know he had made bad cases before as both alignments from memory and looking back in his recent games.
3. He does seem to focus on 1 thing more often as scum and he doesn't do associative votes when he's town (See Assassination since that's the latest game in the database)
Also another interesting thing to note is that GB posts more as town than scum and does have one of the largest filters this game.
Conclusion: Bugs could be wrong on GB's alignment and could be tunneled from last game :O
ok if GB is town who are the mafia ?
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On June 20 2015 01:10 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 01:04 KelsierSC wrote:On June 20 2015 00:59 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 00:49 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 20 2015 00:34 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 00:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
This might be my last post unfortunately
Tomorrow when I am not around lynch GB, when he flips scum lynch Shockeyy. If he miraculously somehow doesn't flip scum then consider players like Onegu, rsoultin, and yamato, because if we had 2 town wagons yesterday scum are likely to be the ones who were lurkish or those who didn't really have scum reads Not a single mention on Mig, who raised suspicions on me but did not vote me. But Shockey? Oh, he IS Mafia. LOLOLOLOL Bugs, pls Actually it's a little weird you constantly point out Mig, can't tell if that's because you are trying to associate or disassociate. But yes I forgot about him, if you flip scum he's probably scum too since he said he would vote you but didn't I will only associate after one of you flips But my problem here is your discourse in the beginning of the game "Mig is the only one I know and that I have a good grasp on his play" and completely forgetting him. He then comes to the game and you comment on him and give him a town read ONLY when inquired. Then you're in this HELLISH tunnel on me that everybody that defends me is almost instantly scum (you said to Rsoultin "lol you're probably Mafia with GB" and you are locking on lynching Shockey right after me), but Mig is out of that. As you know Mig's play I thought you could say "doing that, although wrong, is his town play", but you said you FORGOT about him and that he is PROBABLY MAFIA. lol Double standards much? You're not trying to solve the game at all, you're just pushing an agenda that feels good to you. GB before bugs went against you who would you say the most likely lynch candidates were going to be? I can't answer this without wifoming. If you're okay with that: Boxerfred would always be a wagon. He got 7 votes. Then Mig brought suspicions on me, bugs started working with that, I derped hard and a second wagon was built on me. I think my wagon was scum driven. They secured a mislynch by having two townies as main wagons. The person who got a lot of flak was LS. Although a lot of people defended him, the push on LS was hard. I think he would be the second candidate. Which reinforces your idea of LS being scum (in other words, deflecting his wagon to create mine)
I'm more interested in what you think of Ls actually not me
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On June 20 2015 01:11 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 01:10 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 01:04 KelsierSC wrote:On June 20 2015 00:59 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 00:49 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 20 2015 00:34 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 00:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
This might be my last post unfortunately
Tomorrow when I am not around lynch GB, when he flips scum lynch Shockeyy. If he miraculously somehow doesn't flip scum then consider players like Onegu, rsoultin, and yamato, because if we had 2 town wagons yesterday scum are likely to be the ones who were lurkish or those who didn't really have scum reads Not a single mention on Mig, who raised suspicions on me but did not vote me. But Shockey? Oh, he IS Mafia. LOLOLOLOL Bugs, pls Actually it's a little weird you constantly point out Mig, can't tell if that's because you are trying to associate or disassociate. But yes I forgot about him, if you flip scum he's probably scum too since he said he would vote you but didn't I will only associate after one of you flips But my problem here is your discourse in the beginning of the game "Mig is the only one I know and that I have a good grasp on his play" and completely forgetting him. He then comes to the game and you comment on him and give him a town read ONLY when inquired. Then you're in this HELLISH tunnel on me that everybody that defends me is almost instantly scum (you said to Rsoultin "lol you're probably Mafia with GB" and you are locking on lynching Shockey right after me), but Mig is out of that. As you know Mig's play I thought you could say "doing that, although wrong, is his town play", but you said you FORGOT about him and that he is PROBABLY MAFIA. lol Double standards much? You're not trying to solve the game at all, you're just pushing an agenda that feels good to you. GB before bugs went against you who would you say the most likely lynch candidates were going to be? I can't answer this without wifoming. If you're okay with that: Boxerfred would always be a wagon. He got 7 votes. Then Mig brought suspicions on me, bugs started working with that, I derped hard and a second wagon was built on me. I think my wagon was scum driven. They secured a mislynch by having two townies as main wagons. The person who got a lot of flak was LS. Although a lot of people defended him, the push on LS was hard. I think he would be the second candidate. Which reinforces your idea of LS being scum (in other words, deflecting his wagon to create mine) I'm more interested in what you think of Ls actually not me
Because GB here's the thing
if you think LS is town, which you sort of hinted at then in your mind, with what looks like a 2 town wagon forming, mafia decided to create a 3rd wagon aswell which seems unlikely.
I'm not stating this as fact I want to hear your response
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On June 20 2015 01:20 LightningStrike wrote:
Here all the roles I had played except for Witchcraft III which I was a Witchhunter:
Campus Mafia Town Detective Lynched Day 1
Student Mafia IV Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 3
TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells Town Ghost of Christmas Present Survived Night 5
Metal Mini Mafia! Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4
Newbie Mini Mafia LX Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2
New Years Eve Party Mini Mafia Town Vigilante Killed Night 3
Student Mafia V Town Cop Killed Night 2
Linux Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Night 1
Horn of Africa Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 3
Slytherin Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 3
VII Titanic Mini Mafia: I Have a Cunning Plan... Town Vanilla Survived Night 4
Office Mini Mafia Town Cop Survived Day 4
Jack of All Trades Mafia Mafia Vanilla Survived Night 3
XXX Mini Mafia: A Night of Debauchery (18+) Town Roleblocker Scum killed Night 2
TL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 2
Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal Town Commissioner Gordon Killed Night 2
Game of Thrones Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1
Newbie Student Mafia VIII Town Vigilante Killed Night 2
Hajime no Ippo Maifa Town David Eagle Killed Night 5
Assassination Mafia! Town Martyr Survived Day 3
Where does it say I had layed JK?
no one cares
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On June 20 2015 01:26 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 01:15 LightningStrike wrote:On June 20 2015 01:08 KelsierSC wrote:On June 20 2015 01:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Also interesting note about GB regqarding rsoultins points:
1. He does do it as both alignment but does it more as scum than town juding from a small sample size.
2. I know he had made bad cases before as both alignments from memory and looking back in his recent games.
3. He does seem to focus on 1 thing more often as scum and he doesn't do associative votes when he's town (See Assassination since that's the latest game in the database)
Also another interesting thing to note is that GB posts more as town than scum and does have one of the largest filters this game.
Conclusion: Bugs could be wrong on GB's alignment and could be tunneled from last game :O
ok if GB is town who are the mafia ? I found shockeyy's behavior very weird EoD I did reconsider my scumread on him around EoD then stuff happened with him switching to BF when GB was his scumread and his explanation seemed weak at best. VA is always a good policy lynch since he does very little as both alignments from what I remember of him. If I wrong on one of my town reads it could be Mig he haven't really posted much although I did like of content earlier and how he voted BF at the end end seemed weird esp given his reaction to shockeyy's switch. ????????????? Where do you town read mig?
he pretty much town read everyone as soon as they posted.
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On June 20 2015 01:30 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 01:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:Just wanted to throw this out there, GB you've been saying I'm scum since the beginning in like in every game we have played together, you constantly attack me just cause. You don't even have a real reason as to why I am scum this game, you just say I am. Now I want you to think about the logic behind my vote switch. You say that the game is based on the biggest filter which I repeatedly asked you to give me a good explanation here and quite multiple times. "Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum?"Which you some what answered here, but I'm expecting something different out of you: On June 19 2015 13:58 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 09:55 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 09:52 rsoultin wrote:On June 19 2015 09:44 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 09:40 Fidei86 wrote:
WBG, I'm going to hit you with some LOGIC right now.
If you're town, some of the people who are disagreeing with you KNOW you're wrong/right (because they're mafia!) and therefore their responses to your thoughts may well make no sense. The people you DO want to work with you (ie the town) are probably not going to appreciate being called dullards, so you just lost influence with them.
Obviously if you're mafia then w/e.
In summary - if you're town, don't say shit like that. Otherwise, people might start thinking you're mafia. I honestly don't care if some people think I am mafia. If they are town and they want to think that they are in some bizarro world they can, but they aren't doing themselves or the rest of the team any favours in doing so. Right now I'm pretty annoyed with the game given that I basically posted constantly and gave the best effort I could possibly give to get GB lynched and yet we lost at the end because of people like Shockeyy and Onegu who did absolutely nothing all game and yet had the greatest influence over the lynch in the end. The best part about all of this is that we have people like rsoultin who are fairly likely to be town at the end of it all complaining about the thread being hard or too long to read when they have the largest filters in the game, and yet having literally 0 scumreads over a space of 48 hours. while i work with the more than 0 scumreads i already gave you almighty amazing reader misrepresenting me so awesomely right now, do you mind attempting to reapproach the game from the perspective that you might actually be mistaken on gb, or is that a futile request for me to make, even as a hypothetical exercise? I already did that and the game actually doesn't make sense from that perspective why the fuck would multiple people hammer BF right at the end with no explanation whatsoever if there were two townies up for lynch? The case on GB was far stronger than the one on BF and pretty much the only person that disagreed with that was you. In fact, even some people who supposedly agreed with the GB case, e.g. Shockeyy and Mig voted BF instead of GB, while our troll friend ritoky over here ended up kindly wasting his vote completely. I want to give yamato the benefit of the doubt that he legitimately just forgot to vote or whatever but that lack of vote is also really damning for him given that he also found GB scummy prior to the lynch. Whatever though, I hate replacements and given his posting style and comments this game he's probably not scum anyway. You will ALWAYS be able to build bigger and more comprehensive cases on people that have 10x the pages of a second scum read. You're basically saying I'm Mafia with Shockey and Onegu out of bad unflipped association I need you to realize, I had the voting power to either lynch you or BF. I lynched BF because I based my response out of your stupid thought of having the biggest filter to not lynch D1 and his slight scum posts but what happened? We lynched a town, if you were pro town, why did you switch to me, the "new" lynch train? Why didn't you just stay on LS or switch to BF from the get go? Why were you second guessing who to vote? As soon as I voted you, you instantly switched to me, then I switch off you switched off. On June 19 2015 13:52 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 09:27 Fidei86 wrote:
WOWWW that last post of mine was crap. I should probably persevere and actually try and finish the filter dive. BRB. THIS post was crap. Why are you second guessing your own posts and posting this to tell us you're going to keep filter diving? Because you already have the biggest filter in the game. We lynched the smallest, now we should lynch the biggest if that's the logic you play by. Are you going to keep creating posts to build your filter to make it harder to scum read you? On June 19 2015 02:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 19 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 01:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. that's cool. you once made a terrible list post a couple hours into the day and it was terrible. can you do that again but make it less terrible this time? thanks. I will post my list in the morning. Going to let the posts rack up a bit more. I want to see others thoughts before I finalize it for day 1. town: nhm - nhm's posting just reads town motivated, but he probably will drop to town lean due to his inactivity. ritoky - I like your posting style from the start, it probably rubs off the wrong way to certain people, but I found it easy to be able to communicate with you town lean: breshke - He really comes off as my highest town lean atm, his posting is like the game before and he was town with me. damdred - my reasons before. rsoul - her post below put her into the town lean last night. Still wary because she talks about LS as if he can't be scum. scum lean: LS - Read filter, I gave quite a few good points on him. bugs - His case will come afterwards, but his protection of LS just seems weird + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? I'm down, what's weird is that you talk about GB being weird for jumping off the LS train, but you're pretty much also doing the same thing, but with a lot more content to it... lohen - based on thread and points brought up on him. He's new to the game, but still hasn't really posted much... On June 18 2015 14:37 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Alright chops 4, btw what did you think of my push against LS and his responses to me? Also thoughts on rsoul? I agree with your points but not necessarily your conclusion. Because you seem to not regard the fact that he has done stupid claim shit like this as town on day 1 under no lynch pressure before. Your points aren't wrong, those are anti-town things and his responses to you are bleh at best. I learned from a recent Obs game that rsoul is an easy read for me in the late game. The problem is she shoots me as scum early in games and I shoot her as scum early in games so neither one of us ever gets there is we are opposing alignments. She is town for now cuz she seems interested in solving the game; will re-evaluate later. Except I expect after my outburst I am gonna get the HF treatment tonight. But what makes it the same as his previous claims? And I mentioned to him that it's easy to change meta, what are your thoughts on that? On June 18 2015 14:40 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 14:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB give me your real thoughts on myself and LS, also what did you think of my push against LS? you were one of the few that I quoted. I don't remember it. I'll need to read your filter again. I think you're scum based on imperfect meta. I remember being on your skin last game and you kept being very... how could I say... cool headed? And I'm not actually seeing this here. LS has 8 pages of filter and I'm not lynching anyone like that day1 Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum? On June 18 2015 14:32 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. oh i actually thought this was directed at rit lol >< dude, you're going to have to get over the fact that i'm ridiculously involved in threads. there's a method to the madness, and maybe it's not the best for town i'll admit but it somehow works best for me and regardless scum kills me frequently enough that apparently they don't like it either not really gonna change just cause people disapprove (especially since i doubt i can xP)if you read my filter, really read it, you will find what everyone finds and namely that is there's a ton more content than meets the eye if all you've got is me and ls that's bad for you cause you're probably not lynching scum lol Bolded the necessary points so you can start understanding. Haven't read you filter yet I base day1 on biggest filters, not the whole game What? Why? I based my day 1 on whole thread and the interactions that happen between players. How can you see what's going on if you're only doing the biggest filters. You can keep thinking i'm scum, but if you are really town, I need you to realize I lynched the one that really seemed scummier to me. Either we work together and really find scum or you keep on with your ignorance of me since the first game we played together. Now back to re-reading thread and follow up since I have the time to do so atm. Wow. This post is so townie it hurts.Alright, I've calling you scum out of tone and imperfect meta. I'll take a step back and assume you can be town, since now I am very inclined to lynch other people I don't really want to fully disclose now.
why?
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seriously GB what are you talking about with that shockeyy post being "so townie"
like there is a part I don't even understand where he talks about "we lynched smallest filter , now we lynch biggest" and that is under a quote from fide that is totally unrelated to anything
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On June 20 2015 01:39 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 01:32 KelsierSC wrote:On June 20 2015 01:30 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 01:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:Just wanted to throw this out there, GB you've been saying I'm scum since the beginning in like in every game we have played together, you constantly attack me just cause. You don't even have a real reason as to why I am scum this game, you just say I am. Now I want you to think about the logic behind my vote switch. You say that the game is based on the biggest filter which I repeatedly asked you to give me a good explanation here and quite multiple times. "Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum?"Which you some what answered here, but I'm expecting something different out of you: On June 19 2015 13:58 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 09:55 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 09:52 rsoultin wrote:On June 19 2015 09:44 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 09:40 Fidei86 wrote:
WBG, I'm going to hit you with some LOGIC right now.
If you're town, some of the people who are disagreeing with you KNOW you're wrong/right (because they're mafia!) and therefore their responses to your thoughts may well make no sense. The people you DO want to work with you (ie the town) are probably not going to appreciate being called dullards, so you just lost influence with them.
Obviously if you're mafia then w/e.
In summary - if you're town, don't say shit like that. Otherwise, people might start thinking you're mafia. I honestly don't care if some people think I am mafia. If they are town and they want to think that they are in some bizarro world they can, but they aren't doing themselves or the rest of the team any favours in doing so. Right now I'm pretty annoyed with the game given that I basically posted constantly and gave the best effort I could possibly give to get GB lynched and yet we lost at the end because of people like Shockeyy and Onegu who did absolutely nothing all game and yet had the greatest influence over the lynch in the end. The best part about all of this is that we have people like rsoultin who are fairly likely to be town at the end of it all complaining about the thread being hard or too long to read when they have the largest filters in the game, and yet having literally 0 scumreads over a space of 48 hours. while i work with the more than 0 scumreads i already gave you almighty amazing reader misrepresenting me so awesomely right now, do you mind attempting to reapproach the game from the perspective that you might actually be mistaken on gb, or is that a futile request for me to make, even as a hypothetical exercise? I already did that and the game actually doesn't make sense from that perspective why the fuck would multiple people hammer BF right at the end with no explanation whatsoever if there were two townies up for lynch? The case on GB was far stronger than the one on BF and pretty much the only person that disagreed with that was you. In fact, even some people who supposedly agreed with the GB case, e.g. Shockeyy and Mig voted BF instead of GB, while our troll friend ritoky over here ended up kindly wasting his vote completely. I want to give yamato the benefit of the doubt that he legitimately just forgot to vote or whatever but that lack of vote is also really damning for him given that he also found GB scummy prior to the lynch. Whatever though, I hate replacements and given his posting style and comments this game he's probably not scum anyway. You will ALWAYS be able to build bigger and more comprehensive cases on people that have 10x the pages of a second scum read. You're basically saying I'm Mafia with Shockey and Onegu out of bad unflipped association I need you to realize, I had the voting power to either lynch you or BF. I lynched BF because I based my response out of your stupid thought of having the biggest filter to not lynch D1 and his slight scum posts but what happened? We lynched a town, if you were pro town, why did you switch to me, the "new" lynch train? Why didn't you just stay on LS or switch to BF from the get go? Why were you second guessing who to vote? As soon as I voted you, you instantly switched to me, then I switch off you switched off. On June 19 2015 13:52 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 09:27 Fidei86 wrote:
WOWWW that last post of mine was crap. I should probably persevere and actually try and finish the filter dive. BRB. THIS post was crap. Why are you second guessing your own posts and posting this to tell us you're going to keep filter diving? Because you already have the biggest filter in the game. We lynched the smallest, now we should lynch the biggest if that's the logic you play by. Are you going to keep creating posts to build your filter to make it harder to scum read you? On June 19 2015 02:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 19 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 01:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:
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In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read.
And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. that's cool. you once made a terrible list post a couple hours into the day and it was terrible. can you do that again but make it less terrible this time? thanks. I will post my list in the morning. Going to let the posts rack up a bit more. I want to see others thoughts before I finalize it for day 1. town: nhm - nhm's posting just reads town motivated, but he probably will drop to town lean due to his inactivity. ritoky - I like your posting style from the start, it probably rubs off the wrong way to certain people, but I found it easy to be able to communicate with you town lean: breshke - He really comes off as my highest town lean atm, his posting is like the game before and he was town with me. damdred - my reasons before. rsoul - her post below put her into the town lean last night. Still wary because she talks about LS as if he can't be scum. scum lean: LS - Read filter, I gave quite a few good points on him. bugs - His case will come afterwards, but his protection of LS just seems weird + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? I'm down, what's weird is that you talk about GB being weird for jumping off the LS train, but you're pretty much also doing the same thing, but with a lot more content to it... lohen - based on thread and points brought up on him. He's new to the game, but still hasn't really posted much... On June 18 2015 14:37 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Alright chops 4, btw what did you think of my push against LS and his responses to me? Also thoughts on rsoul? I agree with your points but not necessarily your conclusion. Because you seem to not regard the fact that he has done stupid claim shit like this as town on day 1 under no lynch pressure before. Your points aren't wrong, those are anti-town things and his responses to you are bleh at best. I learned from a recent Obs game that rsoul is an easy read for me in the late game. The problem is she shoots me as scum early in games and I shoot her as scum early in games so neither one of us ever gets there is we are opposing alignments. She is town for now cuz she seems interested in solving the game; will re-evaluate later. Except I expect after my outburst I am gonna get the HF treatment tonight. But what makes it the same as his previous claims? And I mentioned to him that it's easy to change meta, what are your thoughts on that? On June 18 2015 14:40 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 14:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB give me your real thoughts on myself and LS, also what did you think of my push against LS? you were one of the few that I quoted. I don't remember it. I'll need to read your filter again. I think you're scum based on imperfect meta. I remember being on your skin last game and you kept being very... how could I say... cool headed? And I'm not actually seeing this here. LS has 8 pages of filter and I'm not lynching anyone like that day1 Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum? On June 18 2015 14:32 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. oh i actually thought this was directed at rit lol >< dude, you're going to have to get over the fact that i'm ridiculously involved in threads. there's a method to the madness, and maybe it's not the best for town i'll admit but it somehow works best for me and regardless scum kills me frequently enough that apparently they don't like it either not really gonna change just cause people disapprove (especially since i doubt i can xP)if you read my filter, really read it, you will find what everyone finds and namely that is there's a ton more content than meets the eye if all you've got is me and ls that's bad for you cause you're probably not lynching scum lol Bolded the necessary points so you can start understanding. Haven't read you filter yet I base day1 on biggest filters, not the whole game What? Why? I based my day 1 on whole thread and the interactions that happen between players. How can you see what's going on if you're only doing the biggest filters. You can keep thinking i'm scum, but if you are really town, I need you to realize I lynched the one that really seemed scummier to me. Either we work together and really find scum or you keep on with your ignorance of me since the first game we played together. Now back to re-reading thread and follow up since I have the time to do so atm. Wow. This post is so townie it hurts.Alright, I've calling you scum out of tone and imperfect meta. I'll take a step back and assume you can be town, since now I am very inclined to lynch other people I don't really want to fully disclose now. why? He is appealing to me and asking me to reevaluate, which is per se, townie. But you see, he appealed to ME, which indicates he town reads me, consistent to his change of votes. In the other way, he isn't appealing to bugs who has been calling him scum too. It follows a town perspective perfectly
I didn't get the impression he actually town read you, he told me he voted bf just because he was "more scummy"
I'd be interested to know why shockeyy town reads you now
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On June 20 2015 01:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Kelsier, what would you expect from a Mafia?
I would expect a Mafia would align himself with bugs and go against me. Way easer than appealing to me.
Do you get where I'm coming from?
It depends on your alignment, like most of my thoughts at this point.
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this is how shit looked before the GB stuff started.
On June 18 2015 23:34 Half the Sky wrote:Day 1 Vote Count boxerfred (7): Holyflare, GlowingBear, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Fidei86, Damdred LightningStrike (3): KelsierSC, Onegu, GlowingBear, KelsierSC, ShoCkeyy ShoCkeyy (1): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain, LightningStrike, KelsierSCHolyflare (1): boxerfred Lohengramm (1): VayneAuthority GlowingBear (1): wherebugsgo KelsierSC (0): wherebugsgorsoultin (0): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, GlowingBear, HolyflareOnegu (0): NydusHerMainwherebugsgo (0): KelsierSCMig (0): wherebugsgoNot voted (3): Lohengramm, ritoky, Mig Clinging to the ledge, boxerfred hangs over the abyss.
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we know bf is town.
let's say GB is mafia
it instantly clears bugs, VA, LS and hf.
hf would have no reason to switch from town to his mafia buddy, nor LS , bugs went crazy on him and VA provided the meta case.
On June 19 2015 03:57 Half the Sky wrote:Day 1 Vote Count boxerfred (6): Holyflare, GlowingBear, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Fidei86, Damdred GlowingBear (4): wherebugsgo, KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike LightningStrike (2): KelsierSC, Onegu, GlowingBear, KelsierSC, ShoCkeyy Holyflare (1): boxerfred Onegu (1): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain Lohengramm (0): VayneAuthorityShoCkeyy (0): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain, LightningStrike, KelsierSCKelsierSC (0): wherebugsgorsoultin (0): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, GlowingBear, Holyflarewherebugsgo (0): KelsierSCMig (0): wherebugsgoNot voted (3): Lohengramm, ritoky, Mig Clinging to the ledge, boxerfred hangs over the abyss.
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so mafia probably can't let a man go down and have a whole bunch of confirmed town so bf needs to die.
On June 19 2015 04:12 NydusHerMain wrote:
I won't be able to make a case on onegu in enough time but I think gb is townier than bf
##Vote: boxerfred
doesn't look great for you, but I think this is consistent with his logic and nydus feels town
On June 19 2015 05:28 Half the Sky wrote:Day 1 Vote Count boxerfred (6): Holyflare, GlowingBear, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Fidei86, Damdred, NydusHerMain GlowingBear (5): wherebugsgo, KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare, KelsierSC LightningStrike (2): KelsierSC, Onegu, GlowingBear, KelsierSC, ShoCkeyy, KelsierSCHolyflare (1): boxerfred Onegu (0): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMainLohengramm (0): VayneAuthorityShoCkeyy (0): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain, LightningStrike, KelsierSCKelsierSC (0): wherebugsgorsoultin (0): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, GlowingBear, Holyflarewherebugsgo (0): KelsierSCMig (0): wherebugsgoNot voted (3): Lohengramm, ritoky, Mig Clinging to the ledge, boxerfred hangs over the abyss.
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we reach this point with things looking bad for mafia
in this time we get some interesting votes
yamato does apparently vote for boxer but it doesnt go through
On June 19 2015 04:30 Lohengramm wrote:
I'm going to continue to smurf for filter purposes, and because this account's name is fucking awesome. But yes, I am Yamato.
I will read filters until deadline. BF I have already read but if he's posted anything new I will give my thoughts. I will read LS closer but I really don't think he's mafia at all. As said before, I have a vague suspicion of GB but I admittedly only read like 10 pages.
For now, so I don't get modkilled after replacing in;
##Vote: boxerfred
On June 19 2015 06:46 Onegu wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Boxerfred
I think if GB is mafia then this is highly suspicous.
Fide pokes his head into to say why he won't vote GB
On June 19 2015 05:24 Fidei86 wrote:
@Kel I'm around, keeping tabs on the thread while I'm at work. For what it's worth, and it's probably not much, I agree with GB's sentiment here. A d1 lynch is pretty unlikely to succeed. In the last game I was in (HG) the top three wagons on d1 were all town. This game has been 20 times less likely to actually find a scum imo, given that we're almost at ninety pages after 2 days. PSA: People, your spam and OMGUS'ing is not helpful. You make it super easy for mafia just to blend in to the noise, and you make it super hard for townies (like me) to actually engage with what's going on. If you have a case, please MAKE IT, then let other people actually read it. Don't just keep spamming back and forth. If you're town, you're NEVER going to convince a mafia that they are mafia - they'll keep protesting their innocence until they are lynched. Same if they're town. The people you have to convince is everyone else, and frankly I'm just kind of turned off by all this.
So, back to GB - he's posting, people can get reads on him, and those reads will only get stronger and more accurate over time. Worst case if we don't lynch him is that he's mafia and we catch him later. However, if we do lynch him, we're missing the opportunity to lynch a scummy lurker. If you let the lurkers live, they just turn the later days into a coinflip for active town.
On June 19 2015 05:44 Half the Sky wrote:Day 1 Vote Count boxerfred (6): Holyflare, GlowingBear, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Fidei86, Damdred, NydusHerMain GlowingBear (5): wherebugsgo, KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare, KelsierSC LightningStrike (2): KelsierSC, Onegu, GlowingBear, KelsierSC, ShoCkeyy, KelsierSCHolyflare (1): boxerfred Onegu (0): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMainLohengramm (0): VayneAuthorityShoCkeyy (0): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain, LightningStrike, KelsierSCKelsierSC (0): wherebugsgorsoultin (0): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, GlowingBear, Holyflarewherebugsgo (0): KelsierSCMig (0): wherebugsgoNot voted (3): Lohengramm, ritoky, Mig Clinging to the ledge, boxerfred hangs over the abyss.
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we are around this point just before migs vote
On June 19 2015 06:49 Half the Sky wrote:Day 1 Vote Count GlowingBear (6): wherebugsgo, KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare, KelsierSC, boxerfred, ShoCkeyy boxerfred (6): Holyflare, GlowingBear, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Fidei86, Damdred, NydusHerMain, Onegu ShoCkeyy (3): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain, LightningStrike, KelsierSC, KelsierSC, GlowingBear, ritoky LightningStrike (0): KelsierSC, Onegu, GlowingBear, KelsierSC, ShoCkeyy, KelsierSCHolyflare (0): boxerfredOnegu (0): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMainLohengramm (0): VayneAuthorityKelsierSC (0): wherebugsgorsoultin (0): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, GlowingBear, Holyflarewherebugsgo (0): KelsierSCMig (0): wherebugsgoNot voted (2): Lohengramm, Mig Clinging to the ledge, GlowingBear hangs over the abyss.
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at this point we get interesting things happening.
On June 19 2015 06:52 Breshke wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Glowingbear
breshke with the potential god tier switch
sudden response.
On June 19 2015 06:53 Mig wrote:
##vote boxer
On June 19 2015 06:54 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##unvote
##vote Boxerfred
so in the palce where GB is mafia I think the best place to look is onegu, ShoCkeyy, Mig, Fide and yamato
note that shockkey talks about controlling the lynch but at the time he voted for glowing bear, yamato and mig had not voted so mafia would still be in control of the lynch. if they were mafia..
i will next see how it looks if GB is town and then draw conclusions
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let's see what we get when GB is town.
On June 18 2015 23:34 Half the Sky wrote:Day 1 Vote Count boxerfred (7): Holyflare, GlowingBear, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Fidei86, Damdred LightningStrike (3): KelsierSC, Onegu, GlowingBear, KelsierSC, ShoCkeyy ShoCkeyy (1): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain, LightningStrike, KelsierSCHolyflare (1): boxerfred Lohengramm (1): VayneAuthority GlowingBear (1): wherebugsgo KelsierSC (0): wherebugsgorsoultin (0): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, GlowingBear, HolyflareOnegu (0): NydusHerMainwherebugsgo (0): KelsierSCMig (0): wherebugsgoNot voted (3): Lohengramm, ritoky, Mig Clinging to the ledge, boxerfred hangs over the abyss.
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let's go back to this point just before the GB shenanigans.
On June 19 2015 05:28 Half the Sky wrote:Day 1 Vote Count boxerfred (6): Holyflare, GlowingBear, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Fidei86, Damdred, NydusHerMain GlowingBear (5): wherebugsgo, KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare, KelsierSC LightningStrike (2): KelsierSC, Onegu, GlowingBear, KelsierSC, ShoCkeyy, KelsierSCHolyflare (1): boxerfred Onegu (0): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMainLohengramm (0): VayneAuthorityShoCkeyy (0): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain, LightningStrike, KelsierSCKelsierSC (0): wherebugsgorsoultin (0): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, GlowingBear, Holyflarewherebugsgo (0): KelsierSCMig (0): wherebugsgoNot voted (3): Lohengramm, ritoky, Mig Clinging to the ledge, boxerfred hangs over the abyss.
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and then the initial votes on GB, so motivation in each case. I think that bugs pushed on this so hard that if GB flipped it looks bad for him. it would make sense if LS was mafia and he needed to save him but I don't know if LS and bugs would tie themselves that hard together.
and if LS is town then why make this push at all. hf again it doesn't make a lot of sense for a mafia to jump from town to town. although it does happen. it makes VA look bad because he may have thought it was a good place to make his input then leave a vote.
On June 19 2015 06:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##unvote
##vote GlowingBear
in each case of ShoCkeyy voting he creates the majority lynch. I think his reason to vote GB was pretty fake and maybe he just wanted an excuse to be on a wagon. but then why switch? I need to think about this one more.
On June 19 2015 06:46 Onegu wrote:
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##Vote: Boxerfred
Could probably just leave his vote where it is and not draw suspicon, unless he thinks GB was going to be the lynch.
On June 19 2015 06:52 Breshke wrote:
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same thing as hf, i don't know why he switches there if he is mafia and gb is town.
Of course you could argue that GB was on the right track and mafia saw the chance to kill him. But I don't think this was the case.
On June 19 2015 06:53 Mig wrote:
##vote boxer
again main problem here is that it goes against mig's own posts and reads and doesn't make much sense. like if GB is town why doesn't he just vote him?
yamato "voting" boker but then not actually voting. looks bad if they are both town, like he doesn't want to be tied to any lynch..but then why even fake vote boxer at all. I don't know.
In conclusion, I think the GB is mafia perspective seems more likely. with GB being town there are a lot of questions that don't have answers.
like mig's vote, shockey's switch , yamato not voting.
So I'm in the mindset right now of GB as mafia
then mafia being shockey,onegu,mig,yamato..maybe fide I don't know.
you know who town is based on my fort.
I think bugs is town aswell.
I would let rsoul in but her town read of fide "cos" and same with damdred means she has to stay outside
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On June 20 2015 03:17 rsoultin wrote:
Lol yeah he did
Already addressed your problem with my reads ksc but itsk got my own fort! And yeah no one will like my.fidei read but it's cool cuz i'm right anyway lol
no grills allowed
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On June 20 2015 06:24 rsoultin wrote:
-faceplams-
can you like
tldr it in a jiffy?
best thing if you want his reads is just to read what bugs wrote hehehehe
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hf was the GOAT
i actually had some good early reads with bugs and shockeyy being mafia but outside of that I didn't play great.
mhmm yeh I think mafia played well,
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On July 04 2015 08:08 Fidei86 wrote:
He was rude and obnoxious to me for about 10 pages of filter.
you know he was mafia right and won the game?
I think you need to grow a thicker skin and stop complaining about game length and people being rude.
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On July 04 2015 17:57 marvellosity wrote:there are many players who think their style is ok or good, and it just isn't. when you're a cop with a redcheck and you get lynched, you're doing/have done something horribly, horribly wrong (HF being fantastic not withstanding) when you know who the entire scumteam is and why and you get lynched, you're doing something horribly, horribly wrong (Onegu). Especially Onegu's reaction to the post-game is all wrong, his reaction shouldn't be "why didn't you listen to me scrubs" but "how can I be so fucking shit tier that I got lynched today" Show nested quote +On July 04 2015 17:28 justanothertownie wrote:On July 04 2015 10:35 Fidei86 wrote:
@Onegu - do you not see that every game you pull that crap, you fuck town? Sure, you've solved both games you've been in that I've been in, but at the same time you've also never had enough cred to get your reads lynched. I'm urging you and begging you ... PLEASE stop. You're ruining games for people you're town with. Yep. It also doesn't take a genius to solve a game at LYLO as the go to lynchbait/mislynch player. That's a giant information advantage you have over townies that are actually towny. Also I mentioned this earlier too, but especially this. HF literally had to be mafia from Onegu's POV. That's not skill, that's just that you're the scrub mafia decided they could lynch (and mafia were right)
it's probably quite tough to face off against hf "1v1 me bro"
I mean hf was red checked...I still don't know what the fuck was happening with that, also didn't mig claim tracker to save hf? I don't know how hf didn't get lynched but hey, I died n1 so I can sit on my town throne and throw shit.
But anyway I don't think onegu had a perfectly townie track record for the game and in that situation, going againt hf, with people like LS in the town it was pretty tough for him.
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On July 04 2015 19:38 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2015 17:54 KelsierSC wrote:On July 04 2015 08:08 Fidei86 wrote:
He was rude and obnoxious to me for about 10 pages of filter. you know he was mafia right and won the game? I think you need to grow a thicker skin and stop complaining about game length and people being rude. The early spam was a key reason why town lost.
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On July 04 2015 19:38 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2015 17:54 KelsierSC wrote:On July 04 2015 08:08 Fidei86 wrote:
He was rude and obnoxious to me for about 10 pages of filter. you know he was mafia right and won the game? I think you need to grow a thicker skin and stop complaining about game length and people being rude. The early spam was a key reason why town lost.
On July 04 2015 19:38 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2015 17:54 KelsierSC wrote:On July 04 2015 08:08 Fidei86 wrote:
He was rude and obnoxious to me for about 10 pages of filter. you know he was mafia right and won the game? I think you need to grow a thicker skin and stop complaining about game length and people being rude. The early spam was a key reason why town lost.
you wonder why boxerfred got lynched d1, inactivity and not posting
why did yamato get lynched d2, inactivity and not posting and replacing in for someone who wasn't playing.
why did people town read me? activity
why did hf survive , because he played the game well and was active.
same with bugs/ruxxar.
why did onegu get mislynched and lose the game, because he has a 16 page filter after 5 days of playing, active players had that many after n1.
why was damdred suspicous and help cause the downfalll..13 pages.
so saying "early game spam" was a key reason just isn't the case. it's lazy town and active mafia that lost the game.
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