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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 19:17 GMT
#1718
On June 19 2015 04:16 GlowingBear wrote:
And I truly believe this push on me is scum driven.

I'm never taking my vote off of boxerfred now.


So do you think HF is scum?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 19:21 GMT
#1726
On June 19 2015 04:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:15 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:14 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:11 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:08 ritoky wrote:
I am very annoyed with GB, rsoul, and kelsier.

GB and rsoul were like "let's find scum" then didn't try to find scum very hard. then when they passed out i went scum hunting and plopped some work into the thread and neither one commented on it in the slightest. both were apparently reading me super town, so why the shit did they ignore it upon re-entry?

kels i am annoyed with because he promised to ask my question and didn't.


but LS explained when he got back

and his reason was he was annoyed with me pressing him



But why not just claim named VT the moment the game begins?

Because I didn't feel like claiming named VT at the start of the game.


cool, i am probably voting you this phase.

But that is going to be a wasted vote when we got two wagons going on............


1) you're spewing non-stop anti-town
2) people are already doing the "should we lynch LS this phase? naw reconsider next phase!" dance, which will go on many days and probably cost town the game
3) the other wagons aren't compelling enough to not vote on you
4) in some semblance i agree with onegu. i used to fake claim cop a bunch on these forums until some1 intentionally lost a game to teach me a lesson. you need to learn a lesson.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 19:25 GMT
#1734
On June 19 2015 04:22 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:21 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:18 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:15 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:14 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:11 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:08 ritoky wrote:
I am very annoyed with GB, rsoul, and kelsier.

GB and rsoul were like "let's find scum" then didn't try to find scum very hard. then when they passed out i went scum hunting and plopped some work into the thread and neither one commented on it in the slightest. both were apparently reading me super town, so why the shit did they ignore it upon re-entry?

kels i am annoyed with because he promised to ask my question and didn't.


but LS explained when he got back

and his reason was he was annoyed with me pressing him



But why not just claim named VT the moment the game begins?

Because I didn't feel like claiming named VT at the start of the game.


cool, i am probably voting you this phase.

But that is going to be a wasted vote when we got two wagons going on............


1) you're spewing non-stop anti-town
2) people are already doing the "should we lynch LS this phase? naw reconsider next phase!" dance, which will go on many days and probably cost town the game
3) the other wagons aren't compelling enough to not vote on you
4) in some semblance i agree with onegu. i used to fake claim cop a bunch on these forums until some1 intentionally lost a game to teach me a lesson. you need to learn a lesson.

Point 4 i going againist your win condition by intentionally losing a game do you want to be mod killed for that?


I will be voting to lynch what I feel is the biggest impediment to town victory: you.

To me you're just sitting in the thread loling and seeing how much anti-town shit you can get away with before your string of credit runs out. It annoys me, and it is terrible play if you're town.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 19:29 GMT
#1742
On June 19 2015 04:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:25 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:22 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:21 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:18 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:15 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:14 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:11 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:08 ritoky wrote:
I am very annoyed with GB, rsoul, and kelsier.

GB and rsoul were like "let's find scum" then didn't try to find scum very hard. then when they passed out i went scum hunting and plopped some work into the thread and neither one commented on it in the slightest. both were apparently reading me super town, so why the shit did they ignore it upon re-entry?

kels i am annoyed with because he promised to ask my question and didn't.


but LS explained when he got back

and his reason was he was annoyed with me pressing him



But why not just claim named VT the moment the game begins?

Because I didn't feel like claiming named VT at the start of the game.


cool, i am probably voting you this phase.

But that is going to be a wasted vote when we got two wagons going on............


1) you're spewing non-stop anti-town
2) people are already doing the "should we lynch LS this phase? naw reconsider next phase!" dance, which will go on many days and probably cost town the game
3) the other wagons aren't compelling enough to not vote on you
4) in some semblance i agree with onegu. i used to fake claim cop a bunch on these forums until some1 intentionally lost a game to teach me a lesson. you need to learn a lesson.

Point 4 i going againist your win condition by intentionally losing a game do you want to be mod killed for that?


I will be voting to lynch what I feel is the biggest impediment to town victory: you.

To me you're just sitting in the thread loling and seeing how much anti-town shit you can get away with before your string of credit runs out. It annoys me, and it is terrible play if you're town.


where exactly do you see this in LS's play? Like I legitimately don't understand the suspicion or where it comes from.

Let's ignore the claim for a second, what are the other things you think LS is doing that are anti-town?


I can't even.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 19:35 GMT
#1756
On June 19 2015 04:34 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:33 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:32 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:30 Lohengramm wrote:
I'm going to continue to smurf for filter purposes, and because this account's name is fucking awesome. But yes, I am Yamato.

I will read filters until deadline. BF I have already read but if he's posted anything new I will give my thoughts. I will read LS closer but I really don't think he's mafia at all. As said before, I have a vague suspicion of GB but I admittedly only read like 10 pages.

For now, so I don't get modkilled after replacing in;

##Vote: boxerfred

When you get caught up full can you tell me your thoughts on Bugs case on GB please?


why?

Because I strongly believe in Bugs case on GB and their some correct meta about GB as scum sheep it to end of the day!


what happened to your strong belief in shockkey case and the bf case?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 19:39 GMT
#1766
choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.

one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 19:43 GMT
#1773
On June 19 2015 04:41 KelsierSC wrote:
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On June 19 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote:
choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.

one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want.


can you be tempted by a cheeky GB vote?


he isn't overwhelmingly town to me, so if you had solid reasoning, lay it on me. not in huge post form, condensed form.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 19:46 GMT
#1775
On June 19 2015 04:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
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On June 19 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote:
choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.

one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want.


why don't you consider voting someone who has an actual chance of getting lynched today?

We have like 3 hours, pretty unlikely Mig will get lynched and I don't see any good reasons to lynch him today. LS you can try to lynch him but he's not gonna flip red, I can pretty much guarantee you that at this point.

At this point the choice is pretty clear, if you think GB is town then explain to me what makes him town, otherwise vote him. Same goes for BF I guess. While I doubt you can convince me I am always open to new revelations.


On June 18 2015 16:57 ritoky wrote:
well everyone who wanted to find scum together kinda peaced out while i was gone. guess it is on me...or i could just get rid of LS.

but anywayz i went and looked at mig's filter cuz i don't know the fuck why, i just did. and this post stood out to me.

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On June 18 2015 06:51 Mig wrote:
On June 18 2015 06:46 LightningStrike wrote:

I didn't really read his filter when I defended him honestly. I only really read his filter when Mig brought up Boxer's stuff regarding timing and failing to do promised stuff.


As terrible as this is, this actually makes me think LS is more likely to be town haha. Mafia usually arent brazen enough to come out and admit shit like this.


my imaginary awake person? hey choppa 4, why did that shit stand out to you?

yo that's a great question brochacho. because it seems like an unusual and weak reason to turn a read on a dime over. prior to this mig thought that LS was being scummy and there wasn't much of a reason to believe his claim or town read him. here he goes into great depth about it:

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On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote:
Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim?

Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time.

Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game.

When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy
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On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:

It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out.


And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town).

Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB
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On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games.


LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum?


and expounding on it further here:

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On June 18 2015 06:36 Mig wrote:
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On June 18 2015 06:32 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote:
Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim?

Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time.

Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game.

When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy
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On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:

It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out.


And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town).

Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games.


LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum?


ehhhh mostly just that he has this annoying habit (the same thing onegu was talking about, as we've both explained to him why it's bad ><) of claiming at the first sign of pressure

to the point of ridiculousness (i.e. with hardly any or very few votes on him)

he did this d1 in greymist's last massive themed game just because hf and i were expressing suspicions. 2 people in a game of nearly 30 with no votes on him

i don't think i've seen him do it as scum? and i'm already townreading him for tone/meta reasons...he usually doesn't push much of anything as scum, for one...even though he knows this i kinda agree with damdy that ls seems to have a hard time (or lack motivation) to fix even the smallest things in his mafia game



I find it pretty suspect to just believe his claim because he hasn't done it as scum yet. I mean it is going to happen eventually right? Is LS just going to play for the rest of his life always claiming whenever he is a town blue? Pretty convenient that his claim happens to be a named VT also, the one blue claim he can make where he doesnt have to do anything.

Regarding pushing people, is he really pushing shockey at all? It seems more like parroting other people to me.

Tone stuff I can't really argue with, I need to read his other games.


to summarize, mig thought in regards to LS that:
1) there's no reason to instantly believe his blue claim
2) that his onegu interaction was manufactured
3) that he was buddying people
4) that he gives non-committal reads
5) follows thread sentiment onto shockkey and doesn't believe he is mafia
6) copies most of his material from other players
7) discredits all meta arguments about him doing this as town prior.

those are 7 points as to why mig thinks LS isn't town and his claim shouldn't be believed. outside of his read on GB, LS is the player he has focused on the most, yet he completely 180s the read over 1 dumb tell. someone who put enough time, research, and filter diving into making posts structured and researched in the manner you have....you really want me to believe that 1 dumb tell invalidated 7 points? i am not buying what this guy is selling here. he could very well be mafia.


there's migs' reason.

LS's reason is the entire thread.

I already said why BF can be town and I already said why GB can be town, I feel no particularly strong convictions toward either. I feel much stronger that migs is mafia and the LS will lose the game for town.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 19:50 GMT
#1782
On June 19 2015 04:47 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:43 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:41 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote:
choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.

one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want.


can you be tempted by a cheeky GB vote?


he isn't overwhelmingly town to me, so if you had solid reasoning, lay it on me. not in huge post form, condensed form.


i did that in response to him

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On June 19 2015 04:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, let's try it in another way.

KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare:

Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me.


I started reading WBS as town with his post about bf.
He then raised some interesting points about you and summarised points of your play accurately
You then made a very weak case on breshke which was actually bad enough for you to be mafia
and then you also attempted to discredit and misrepresent WBG afterwards.
Add on the posts linked by VA and Shockey from previous games when you all caps


for the initial case you have to read bugs



That's not really a compelling case. Maybe the compelling part is in the summarizing of play accurately?

GB makes weak ass cases all the time as both alignments. He calls way more people mafia than could actually be mafia, and he types in caps as both alignments. If anything is mafia indicative about him it is that he went into OMGUS people voting on me = mafia mode at some point; and I didn't feel he was incredibly sold on the BF lynch prior to the change in gears. Although maybe my memory is foggy on that.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 19:55 GMT
#1787
i will go back and re-read bugs' post. i probably turned my brain off while reading it cuz his posts tend to have that effect on me.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 19:57 GMT
#1791
On June 19 2015 02:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 01:37 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 19 2015 01:36 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 01:35 GlowingBear wrote:
My wording is TERRIBLE in my latest post

Tell me if you can understand. In case you can't, I will rewrite it


lynching low activity is better than someone scummy. because if scum has a high activity they will give themselves away at some point whereas low activity is always a question.

that right?


Exactly!!!


or, you know, the fact that this is a retarded opinion if you are town and actually incredibly indicative that you are scum

Let's break it down. From a GB=town perspective first: it's not at all helpful because you eliminate entire possibilities when scumhunting and you invite scum to be more active by saying, "oh if you're more active we won't lynch you!" Townies, on the other hand, are not going to give a shit because they will continue to play like they will play and they could honestly not give a fuck what a player like you thinks. Indeed this is one of the biggest problems with using surface-level things like activity to attempt to scum hunt because you end up shooting yourself in the foot. You maybe catch the low activity scum if you are lucky or manage to use other clues to find them but it is incredibly rare that you can nail an entire team or even a significant portion of a team that way. It certainly wouldn't have worked in the game we played in together where you were scum, where all 3 scum members were active (AND YOU SHOULD FUCKING KNOW THAT IF YOU ARE TOWN) whereas town almost mislynched into some dude that was going to get modkilled anyway, and all the other lynch candidates would obviously not have flipped town like Shockey and Shining and Tubesock and whoever else was in that game and was scummy.

So, if you are town in this game GB you should stop pushing anti town things and pushing like 7 different people with no reasons.

On the other hand if you imagine this from a GB=scum perspective this is actually really great for GB scum to say this. If GB scum says we're only lynching inactives, it's easy to get town support because no one likes inactives. Reading active people is hard so it's really easy to fake scum reads on inactive players. Indeed this fits best with GB's style this game because he asserts he is "reaction fishing" when in reality this is just a thin veil to look for town sentiment. Similarly in the previous game where he was scum, GB was more than willing to let LS, his scum teammate, live on day 1 but instead he wanted to push someone like Stutters who wasn't doing shit.

Why else would he ask me whether I would lynch VA randomly yet offer none of his own thought process? This in particular is very scummy because he was the one that prodded me for not providing opinions, yet when I do he offers absolutely nothing in return! At no point did GB actually make any sort of reasonable attempt to work with me despite claiming to want to do so. Indeed, he actually undermines what I am doing by saying that I am not attempting to get town to consolidate yet being the biggest offender by far of the very things he is accusing others of doing. Lastly, the whole "we're not going to lynch actives" thing is great for his scum style because as he proved in the last game, he is a very active scum player. When pushing the idea that we shouldn't lynch active players because it's a bad idea, he's masking his own style as scum because he himself is an active scum player. It's merely a stone that he is using to knock out multiple birds at once-it's a play in his own self interest in multiple ways.

That coupled with his complete lack of reads and reasons this game pretty much confirms he is scum.


are you talking about this post ksc?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 19:59 GMT
#1796
On June 19 2015 04:57 NydusHerMain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:55 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:54 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:50 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:47 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:43 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:41 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote:
choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.

one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want.


can you be tempted by a cheeky GB vote?


he isn't overwhelmingly town to me, so if you had solid reasoning, lay it on me. not in huge post form, condensed form.


i did that in response to him

On June 19 2015 04:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, let's try it in another way.

KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare:

Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me.


I started reading WBS as town with his post about bf.
He then raised some interesting points about you and summarised points of your play accurately
You then made a very weak case on breshke which was actually bad enough for you to be mafia
and then you also attempted to discredit and misrepresent WBG afterwards.
Add on the posts linked by VA and Shockey from previous games when you all caps


for the initial case you have to read bugs



That's not really a compelling case. Maybe the compelling part is in the summarizing of play accurately?

GB makes weak ass cases all the time as both alignments. He calls way more people mafia than could actually be mafia, and he types in caps as both alignments. If anything is mafia indicative about him it is that he went into OMGUS people voting on me = mafia mode at some point; and I didn't feel he was incredibly sold on the BF lynch prior to the change in gears. Although maybe my memory is foggy on that.


yeh I suppose that is a fair point, I remember imperial when he made a lot of dumb cases then...

I don't know , I liked bugs case a lot
and i felt he was really misrepresenting him with that lurker bullshit.

LS lynch might still be real if GB is actually town


I'm fighting this temptation of lynching LS since he has a big filter, but oh boy, that vote on me was bad.


Honestly lightning feels fucking fake as fuck to me in terms of tone and I feel like he's not angry after getting outed as pr and isn't really trying hard. W/e


then why are you scum reading me and onegu for wanting to lynch him?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 20:02 GMT
#1804
On June 19 2015 04:58 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:57 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 02:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 19 2015 01:37 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 19 2015 01:36 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 01:35 GlowingBear wrote:
My wording is TERRIBLE in my latest post

Tell me if you can understand. In case you can't, I will rewrite it


lynching low activity is better than someone scummy. because if scum has a high activity they will give themselves away at some point whereas low activity is always a question.

that right?


Exactly!!!


or, you know, the fact that this is a retarded opinion if you are town and actually incredibly indicative that you are scum

Let's break it down. From a GB=town perspective first: it's not at all helpful because you eliminate entire possibilities when scumhunting and you invite scum to be more active by saying, "oh if you're more active we won't lynch you!" Townies, on the other hand, are not going to give a shit because they will continue to play like they will play and they could honestly not give a fuck what a player like you thinks. Indeed this is one of the biggest problems with using surface-level things like activity to attempt to scum hunt because you end up shooting yourself in the foot. You maybe catch the low activity scum if you are lucky or manage to use other clues to find them but it is incredibly rare that you can nail an entire team or even a significant portion of a team that way. It certainly wouldn't have worked in the game we played in together where you were scum, where all 3 scum members were active (AND YOU SHOULD FUCKING KNOW THAT IF YOU ARE TOWN) whereas town almost mislynched into some dude that was going to get modkilled anyway, and all the other lynch candidates would obviously not have flipped town like Shockey and Shining and Tubesock and whoever else was in that game and was scummy.

So, if you are town in this game GB you should stop pushing anti town things and pushing like 7 different people with no reasons.

On the other hand if you imagine this from a GB=scum perspective this is actually really great for GB scum to say this. If GB scum says we're only lynching inactives, it's easy to get town support because no one likes inactives. Reading active people is hard so it's really easy to fake scum reads on inactive players. Indeed this fits best with GB's style this game because he asserts he is "reaction fishing" when in reality this is just a thin veil to look for town sentiment. Similarly in the previous game where he was scum, GB was more than willing to let LS, his scum teammate, live on day 1 but instead he wanted to push someone like Stutters who wasn't doing shit.

Why else would he ask me whether I would lynch VA randomly yet offer none of his own thought process? This in particular is very scummy because he was the one that prodded me for not providing opinions, yet when I do he offers absolutely nothing in return! At no point did GB actually make any sort of reasonable attempt to work with me despite claiming to want to do so. Indeed, he actually undermines what I am doing by saying that I am not attempting to get town to consolidate yet being the biggest offender by far of the very things he is accusing others of doing. Lastly, the whole "we're not going to lynch actives" thing is great for his scum style because as he proved in the last game, he is a very active scum player. When pushing the idea that we shouldn't lynch active players because it's a bad idea, he's masking his own style as scum because he himself is an active scum player. It's merely a stone that he is using to knock out multiple birds at once-it's a play in his own self interest in multiple ways.

That coupled with his complete lack of reads and reasons this game pretty much confirms he is scum.


are you talking about this post ksc?


yeh and the one after

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On June 19 2015 02:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 19 2015 02:09 NydusHerMain wrote:
I want to swap this to a bw on onegu but at the same time I'm okay with a bf lynch.

@bugs what's there not to get about what gb said? He's uneasy despite being one of the voters because it's got so many people voting on it whereas no one else is really up for vote consideration in comparison.

Gonna throw this out there and see if it sticks.

##Vote: onegu

If not, I'm fine with bf regardless.


what doesn't make sense is the fact that he is uneasy about the lack of consolidation yet he does exactly what he claims is making him uneasy. He doesn't attempt to consolidate and instead his reads are constantly changing and he's adding new people he thinks are scum all the time.

e.g. why would he bother to say that he's going to write up a case on breshke? I feel if that actually gets posted it's going to derail the thread even further rather than give us any further indication on who is scum. Given that his vote is on BF I would expect him to try to convince the rest of us to consolidate on BF, because that's what he says he expects other people to be doing-consolidating.

It's also nearly impossible to know what he thinks because he refuses to work to flesh out reads despite claiming that it is what he wanted to do with me. He asked me maybe 2-3 one liner questions that ended up going nowhere because when I responded to him he gave nothing in return. That's quite odd for someone who claimed that collaboration is important in getting together a strong town day 1.

If he unvotes BF and ends up voting someone else this will pretty much prove what I'm talking about. He might OMGUS me or maybe he'll go through with his statement on Breshke but even now it doesn't appear that he was genuine about his talk about consolidation and about his talk about collaboration.



eh. to me that just read like a lot of "i don't like the way this guy plays". his first thing is just disagreeing with the policy of lynching inactives day 1 and i don't buy his scum motivation he is selling. then he talks about GB being all over the place and intentionally fracturing the thread. he is all over the place always?

let me try on what HF quoted and see if i like that better.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 20:03 GMT
#1805
On June 19 2015 05:02 NydusHerMain wrote:
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On June 19 2015 04:59 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:57 NydusHerMain wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:55 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:54 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:50 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:47 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:43 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:41 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote:
choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.

one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want.


can you be tempted by a cheeky GB vote?


he isn't overwhelmingly town to me, so if you had solid reasoning, lay it on me. not in huge post form, condensed form.


i did that in response to him

On June 19 2015 04:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, let's try it in another way.
KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare:

Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me.


I started reading WBS as town with his post about bf.
He then raised some interesting points about you and summarised points of your play accurately
You then made a very weak case on breshke which was actually bad enough for you to be mafia
and then you also attempted to discredit and misrepresent WBG afterwards.
Add on the posts linked by VA and Shockey from previous games when you all caps


for the initial case you have to read bugs



That's not really a compelling case. Maybe the compelling part is in the summarizing of play accurately?

GB makes weak ass cases all the time as both alignments. He calls way more people mafia than could actually be mafia, and he types in caps as both alignments. If anything is mafia indicative about him it is that he went into OMGUS people voting on me = mafia mode at some point; and I didn't feel he was incredibly sold on the BF lynch prior to the change in gears. Although maybe my memory is foggy on that.


yeh I suppose that is a fair point, I remember imperial when he made a lot of dumb cases then...

I don't know , I liked bugs case a lot
and i felt he was really misrepresenting him with that lurker bullshit.

LS lynch might still be real if GB is actually town


I'm fighting this temptation of lynching LS since he has a big filter, but oh boy, that vote on me was bad.


Honestly lightning feels fucking fake as fuck to me in terms of tone and I feel like he's not angry after getting outed as pr and isn't really trying hard. W/e


then why are you scum reading me and onegu for wanting to lynch him?


Until alignments flip I don't know the team. These are individual scum reads. I don't think you two are scum for wanting to lynch lightning I think you two are scum because your play is a lot more passive this game and onegu is going try hard


don't care about the read on me, but onegu has a shadow this game, might explain his increased effort level.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 20:06 GMT
#1807
okay from HF's thing i remember the vanishing onegu read and the lack of follow-up on VA stuff which was kinda scummy.

any1 gonna try to convince me on BF, or is that just a wagon full of AFKs?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 20:21 GMT
#1835
On June 19 2015 05:18 KelsierSC wrote:
right shower and tea


what this guy said, except replacing tea with coffee. cuz seattle.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 20:39 GMT
#1869
On June 19 2015 05:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Argh, I can't read anymore, information isn't getting through my head.

I've defended myself as I could. If you have any questions, feel free to ask and I'll answer them as much as I can.

If you're open to see me from a town persperctive, take a look at the 5 questions I've brought on my filter. You will definetly realise it makes more sense of a play coming from town than from a mafia.


Are all the mafia on your wagon? If you had to pick 1 person as mafia who is not on your wagon right now, who would it be?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 20:41 GMT
#1876
rsoul i am still upset with you -.-
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 20:41 GMT
#1877
On June 19 2015 05:41 GlowingBear wrote:
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On June 19 2015 05:39 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 05:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Argh, I can't read anymore, information isn't getting through my head.

I've defended myself as I could. If you have any questions, feel free to ask and I'll answer them as much as I can.

If you're open to see me from a town persperctive, take a look at the 5 questions I've brought on my filter. You will definetly realise it makes more sense of a play coming from town than from a mafia.


Are all the mafia on your wagon? If you had to pick 1 person as mafia who is not on your wagon right now, who would it be?


Breshke


Same case as before?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 20:46 GMT
#1883
On June 19 2015 05:42 rsoultin wrote:
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On June 19 2015 05:41 ritoky wrote:
rsoul i am still upset with you -.-


is this relevant or can it wait until after the day phase?

(if it's about leaving early i apologize, but you know class and speeches and all that jazz )


not it is about ignoring my case on migs when you came back to the thread -.- and i want to lynch migs...but that's probably not happening.
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