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On June 23 2015 14:03 NydusHerMain wrote:
Would it be more interesting to give my reads prior to the checks or just start from scratch and look for a GB team vs a HF team?
ummmmm
maybe from the perspective of the "checks" since you'll be looking at the information with new eyes and may see things we missed without that information? i mean you won't be able to forget it now, anyway
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On June 23 2015 14:16 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 14:09 LightningStrike wrote:
Nydus in case you haven't caught up she claimed Mason with Fidei before the GB stuff so she's town lol. Also she is hard to lynch as either alignment outside of her claim simply because of her nature I guess lol. Okay Fidei I had as scummy so that's good if that's a legit claim... I had LS and RS as town and I was willing to believe GB for a day on his claim as well as his check on MiG. HF I had as town, and I think that might be about it off the top of my head. Onegu I have had as scum since day but I think I read something about him pushing on HF so that might change things. This game, I've been trying to trust my own personal meta reads on people, e.g. Ritoky, but it's been proven wrong once and I have a feeling that I'm wrong on another (either onegu or damdred or both or I don't know). My reads are 100% proven to be bad because I had RS as town and Fidei as scum and they're hard aligned, I had HF and GB as town and they're obviously opposite alignments so it's kind of awkward for me. I think I'm going to try to spend my time on deciding whether or not I trust RS as town by not going off a tone read but an actual logic / activity read because I trust her meta reads over mine. At least she has more games than I do with everyone... zzz...
ah :/ trusting my meta/tonereads can be dangerous
fidei and ls i won't let people lynch
damdy is someone i BELIEVE i've got a good toneread on...i really do. but in all honesty a month or two ago i was still struggling with him so i've been very accurate recently but i don't think it's been tested enough to be completely reliable
i still won't lynch him without a very good reason
oneg i'm not certain on. like literally you should just get your own read on him. all i will say is that i can see him playing this way as town easily and HAVE seen him play this way as town
hf i've waffled on most of the game. i think he's tied in pretty close to mig though given his behavior when gb claimed; if one is scum the likelihood that they both are is kinda high
shockey is likely scum but that's not meta and it's mostly associative so that's for later
ruxxar independently i think is scum. rit may have been right about the association between him and shockey though
lol that's where i'm at ><
va...i think the best way to tell with him is to wait a bit
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On June 23 2015 14:18 NydusHerMain wrote:
Oh and I definitely think Shockey is scum as I have all game if the people who died in the night were pushing on him. I don't actually remember if they pushed on him but I HIGHLY doubt mafia try to frame someone by killing wrong town. That's so dumb. It's easier to get someone mislynched by keeping the people pushing the mislynch alive rofl than trying to frame by killing anyone who calls that town scum. Shockey is way scummier for those night kills than he claims.
lol yes xP i said that
>> yeah i'm spammy. it helps me make reads. i'm selfish that way
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On June 23 2015 14:27 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 14:25 rsoultin wrote:On June 23 2015 14:16 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 23 2015 14:09 LightningStrike wrote:
Nydus in case you haven't caught up she claimed Mason with Fidei before the GB stuff so she's town lol. Also she is hard to lynch as either alignment outside of her claim simply because of her nature I guess lol. Okay Fidei I had as scummy so that's good if that's a legit claim... I had LS and RS as town and I was willing to believe GB for a day on his claim as well as his check on MiG. HF I had as town, and I think that might be about it off the top of my head. Onegu I have had as scum since day but I think I read something about him pushing on HF so that might change things. This game, I've been trying to trust my own personal meta reads on people, e.g. Ritoky, but it's been proven wrong once and I have a feeling that I'm wrong on another (either onegu or damdred or both or I don't know). My reads are 100% proven to be bad because I had RS as town and Fidei as scum and they're hard aligned, I had HF and GB as town and they're obviously opposite alignments so it's kind of awkward for me. I think I'm going to try to spend my time on deciding whether or not I trust RS as town by not going off a tone read but an actual logic / activity read because I trust her meta reads over mine. At least she has more games than I do with everyone... zzz... ah :/ trusting my meta/tonereads can be dangerous fidei and ls i won't let people lynch damdy is someone i BELIEVE i've got a good toneread on...i really do. but in all honesty a month or two ago i was still struggling with him so i've been very accurate recently but i don't think it's been tested enough to be completely reliable i still won't lynch him without a very good reason oneg i'm not certain on. like literally you should just get your own read on him. all i will say is that i can see him playing this way as town easily and HAVE seen him play this way as town hf i've waffled on most of the game. i think he's tied in pretty close to mig though given his behavior when gb claimed; if one is scum the likelihood that they both are is kinda high shockey is likely scum but that's not meta and it's mostly associative so that's for later ruxxar independently i think is scum. rit may have been right about the association between him and shockey though lol that's where i'm at >< va...i think the best way to tell with him is to wait a bit What was rit's association because shockey and ruxxar? Because I independently read them both scummy.
it was bugs actually
bugs asked shockey a question when he was out of the thread and shockey immediately answered it. ritoky thought that meant that bugs probably already knew that shockey was there...i.e. scum together
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On June 23 2015 14:29 NydusHerMain wrote:
I dunno, even without reading through your filter, just talking to you now I feel like we're coming from the same mindset. After this game is over I'll find out if I just think like mafia or not but until then, I'm probably just leaning town on you forever >.>
i feel like anything i say to this will reduce my credibility xP
in all honesty i'm really not an easy scum catch. some people just use the "is she still alive" metric, which is probably a fair one
i don't fake-claim, though. so you can at least trust (and others will back it up) that if i'm scum this game i've fake-claimed for the first time in 20 games
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On June 23 2015 14:31 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 14:29 rsoultin wrote:On June 23 2015 14:27 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 23 2015 14:25 rsoultin wrote:On June 23 2015 14:16 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 23 2015 14:09 LightningStrike wrote:
Nydus in case you haven't caught up she claimed Mason with Fidei before the GB stuff so she's town lol. Also she is hard to lynch as either alignment outside of her claim simply because of her nature I guess lol. Okay Fidei I had as scummy so that's good if that's a legit claim... I had LS and RS as town and I was willing to believe GB for a day on his claim as well as his check on MiG. HF I had as town, and I think that might be about it off the top of my head. Onegu I have had as scum since day but I think I read something about him pushing on HF so that might change things. This game, I've been trying to trust my own personal meta reads on people, e.g. Ritoky, but it's been proven wrong once and I have a feeling that I'm wrong on another (either onegu or damdred or both or I don't know). My reads are 100% proven to be bad because I had RS as town and Fidei as scum and they're hard aligned, I had HF and GB as town and they're obviously opposite alignments so it's kind of awkward for me. I think I'm going to try to spend my time on deciding whether or not I trust RS as town by not going off a tone read but an actual logic / activity read because I trust her meta reads over mine. At least she has more games than I do with everyone... zzz... ah :/ trusting my meta/tonereads can be dangerous fidei and ls i won't let people lynch damdy is someone i BELIEVE i've got a good toneread on...i really do. but in all honesty a month or two ago i was still struggling with him so i've been very accurate recently but i don't think it's been tested enough to be completely reliable i still won't lynch him without a very good reason oneg i'm not certain on. like literally you should just get your own read on him. all i will say is that i can see him playing this way as town easily and HAVE seen him play this way as town hf i've waffled on most of the game. i think he's tied in pretty close to mig though given his behavior when gb claimed; if one is scum the likelihood that they both are is kinda high shockey is likely scum but that's not meta and it's mostly associative so that's for later ruxxar independently i think is scum. rit may have been right about the association between him and shockey though lol that's where i'm at >< va...i think the best way to tell with him is to wait a bit What was rit's association because shockey and ruxxar? Because I independently read them both scummy. it was bugs actually bugs asked shockey a question when he was out of the thread and shockey immediately answered it. ritoky thought that meant that bugs probably already knew that shockey was there...i.e. scum together Ehhhhh, that sounds like a stretch... I dunno if I'd trust that read but I have a null read on bugs so meh.
ruxxar replaced bugs
and no i didn't think it made him scum, either. just that it's possible
i was having trouble with bugs -_- early game. i know i'm inclined to scumread a player like that anyway and since i didn't know him...eh
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On June 23 2015 14:46 NydusHerMain wrote:
So I'm thinking like HF would have a team of like shockey, mig and another?
i could see hf with them both yeah
like, read eod 2 after hf has been tunneling gb all game and how he reacts to the claim
and then his posting during night phase
i want to see if we're seeing things the same way
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kk nite ^^
i need to sleep myself @.@
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So tempted to pull a gb here lol ><
Please address my suspicions on you ruxx
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On June 23 2015 11:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2015 10:47 rsoultin wrote:On June 19 2015 08:46 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 08:42 Breshke wrote:
LS I think it would be useful if you talked through the logic of unclaiming blue there
I also want you to hardclaim that you are VT. No going back on this. I am VT this game and I unclaimed because everyone questioned my claim I didn't really expect to much on and decided enough was enough. I prob just replace out because I just can't play this game as last Friday a friend of mine from High School died in a Car Accident and I only found out after I signed up. I thought that I can play but then with the shit happening this game I can't play it anymore and will commit Sudoku. Did you even read it? It may not be fake, but why would he continue to play if he says he's going to replace out but never did? Maybe he saw his scum team winning and decided to just stick around? Idk... I think I gave enough reasons on LS now and on D1. I'm just going to move ahead and talk about my other scum reads.
Sorry was caught up. I'm not ignoring your posting here.
Hun nyd said it...while the nks may not have been about their reads on you the framing theory practically never happens. If they plan to push you, way more likely to keep the players who already want to push you around rather than hope the wifom gets you killed.
I won't lynch ls. I will never believe he makes this up and as to your question here...a lot of players tried to be supportive and encouraged him to keep playing when he posted that post
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okay so rsoul crazy reasoning time and beat me with a stick if it's too far out there
town hf would fight this
scum hf would still probably fight this UNLESS it benefits his team more not to
the silence almost confirms he's scum, really
but it also strongly suggests they're protecting a role. we may be better off lynching mig
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Okay. Now that you're in just the one game please attempt to.read the thread? It'll likely be slow for awhile now and I need you to talk to me so I have a better chance of recognizing it if i'm wrong here.
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Lol that feeling where mig is probably the best lynch? It is getting stronger
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Eh lol so many things wrong with that fidei lol >< i'll lynch either but he's either town or scum content to be lynched which is why I suggested mig
I get why that makes ppl uncomfortable though
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On June 24 2015 05:53 Fidei86 wrote:
In this game I have the absolute luxury of being (1) confirmed town and (2) paired with someone who is clearly much smarter and better at the game and me, who I can sheep without doubt. So, yeah. I can wait for your response.
-flicks- not true. i'm just opinionated lol >< being confirmed town is hella nice though
okay let me break this down for people in an easy-to-follow format
1. We need to determine whether or not we believe Glowingbear's claim now as opposed to later. It's common sense, but if you're the real cop here and we're lynching GB's red check, you claim.
2. We need to determine whether or not we believe the red check is real. What I mean by this, is do we think Holyflare is actually scum? There is the potential for millers and a MAFIA FRAMER in the game, which means that GB's could be real but his results are still false. THE FLIP TO DETERMINE ALIGNMENT IS A BAD IDEA. SCUM CAN BUSS AND CLAIM A FAKE CHECK. THERE COULD BE A FRAMER. STOP BEING LAZY.
Everyone needs to address these two questions separate of the check.
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On June 24 2015 06:16 GlowingBear wrote:
If there is a framer, he is never framing Holyflare over a team mate, especially when they DON'T believe my cop claim
lol gb
i literally want every last player in this game (though i can't force it, obviously -_-) to answer those questions
1. I think GB's claim is real. I don't think scum fake-claims cop D2 in a 17-player game with either a fake red check on either town OR a scummate. It doesn't make much sense.
2. I'm inclined to believe HF is scum for the previously stated reasons. In brief 1. his declining presence in the thread 2. his reaction to the GB claim D2 3. that he didn't respond until after i said something about his silence.
My final comment is that, because I believe GB's claim, I think his not being killed or roleblocked does point to mig actually being scum. Which makes holyflare's alignment moot, cause either he's town and this is a mislynch or he's scum and begging us to lynch him when the other alternative is...mig.
GB a question for you:
What reactions were you fishing for, faking a red check on me?
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On June 24 2015 06:17 ruXxar wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2015 06:03 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2015 05:53 Fidei86 wrote:
In this game I have the absolute luxury of being (1) confirmed town and (2) paired with someone who is clearly much smarter and better at the game and me, who I can sheep without doubt. So, yeah. I can wait for your response. -flicks- not true. i'm just opinionated lol >< being confirmed town is hella nice though okay let me break this down for people in an easy-to-follow format 1. We need to determine whether or not we believe Glowingbear's claim now as opposed to later. It's common sense, but if you're the real cop here and we're lynching GB's red check, you claim. 2. We need to determine whether or not we believe the red check is real. What I mean by this, is do we think Holyflare is actually scum? There is the potential for millers and a MAFIA FRAMER in the game, which means that GB's could be real but his results are still false. THE FLIP TO DETERMINE ALIGNMENT IS A BAD IDEA. SCUM CAN BUSS AND CLAIM A FAKE CHECK. THERE COULD BE A FRAMER. STOP BEING LAZY. Everyone needs to address these two questions separate of the check. Here's how I see it: This is the order of events: - GB claims DT. - GB claims greencheck on mig. - Night 1 ends. - GB does *not* die. This means that mig should be confirmed mafia since the mafia would KNOW the greencheck was false and not kill GB since they thought the claim was fake. This makes me think it's better to actually lynch mig first, since we have the strongest evidence for him being mafia. The check on HF could, as you said be either a framer or a miller, so it's better to go with the sure option first. Until someone CC's I'll believe GB's claim. ##Vote mig
lol so you agree with me xP finished the thread yet?
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On June 24 2015 06:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2015 06:17 ruXxar wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2015 06:03 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2015 05:53 Fidei86 wrote:
In this game I have the absolute luxury of being (1) confirmed town and (2) paired with someone who is clearly much smarter and better at the game and me, who I can sheep without doubt. So, yeah. I can wait for your response. -flicks- not true. i'm just opinionated lol >< being confirmed town is hella nice though okay let me break this down for people in an easy-to-follow format 1. We need to determine whether or not we believe Glowingbear's claim now as opposed to later. It's common sense, but if you're the real cop here and we're lynching GB's red check, you claim. 2. We need to determine whether or not we believe the red check is real. What I mean by this, is do we think Holyflare is actually scum? There is the potential for millers and a MAFIA FRAMER in the game, which means that GB's could be real but his results are still false. THE FLIP TO DETERMINE ALIGNMENT IS A BAD IDEA. SCUM CAN BUSS AND CLAIM A FAKE CHECK. THERE COULD BE A FRAMER. STOP BEING LAZY. Everyone needs to address these two questions separate of the check. Here's how I see it: This is the order of events: - GB claims DT. - GB claims greencheck on mig. - Night 1 ends. - GB does *not* die. This means that mig should be confirmed mafia since the mafia would KNOW the greencheck was false and not kill GB since they thought the claim was fake. This makes me think it's better to actually lynch mig first, since we have the strongest evidence for him being mafia. The check on HF could, as you said be either a framer or a miller, so it's better to go with the sure option first. Until someone CC's I'll believe GB's claim. ##Vote mig or mafia see's that there is a cop in the game with a green check on mig and that one of their kp got blocked/saved n1 and don't attack him?or gb is mafia? lol nobody seeing that possibility either?
nope. he'd be rb'd
he's mafia or mig is, most likely
do you think gb is mafia? it's just as important for you if you're town as it is for the rest of us
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On June 24 2015 06:44 Holyflare wrote:
it's not important because you're only lynching me to make sense of the whole situation
i just haven't moved my vote to mig yet xP so yes it matters
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On June 24 2015 06:48 Holyflare wrote:
like why the hell would you vote mig in this situation? I'm red checked and everyone thinks i'm red with mig (for some reason??) so you lynch me, confirm that scenario and get 2 mafia
orrrrrrr the real scenario, you lynch me see i'm vt lynch gb
orrrr the real scenario^2 you lynch me see i'm miller and vote one of the other scummy mofos
nope, lynching mig. there's no reason to not kill or at least rb gb if he's town with a green check unless the green check goes against what mafia knows
so if he's claiming this red check on you AT ALL hf, and gb is town, mig should be scum
unless you see something i don't?
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