Newbie Student Mafia XI

On June 08 2015 23:35 rsoultin wrote:


Lol you could coach me in our coach qt xP

On June 09 2015 00:19 marvellosity wrote:
i'll coach you Wave, it'll be hilarious.

On June 12 2015 10:27 geript wrote:

people should be talking about this.

On June 12 2015 10:47 geript wrote:

Kinda busy dog sitting. Was really sruprised when people didn't jump on that post at all. Like that's a post that mafia would usually be all over if that guy's town. It's so... indecisive... passive... unopinionated... blah. I've only skimmed but that was one of two posts that stuck out to me.

Batsnacks weird post stuck out to me too. IDK what he's doing, pulling a chezinu? IDK. I couldn't figure out wtf he was trying to say. I'll look at it again later when I get a full read in, but his post was at least interesting even if it is probably NAI

On June 12 2015 10:47 geript wrote:

Kinda busy dog sitting. Was really sruprised when people didn't jump on that post at all. Like that's a post that mafia would usually be all over if that guy's town. It's so... indecisive... passive... unopinionated... blah. I've only skimmed but that was one of two posts that stuck out to me.

Batsnacks weird post stuck out to me too. IDK what he's doing, pulling a chezinu? IDK. I couldn't figure out wtf he was trying to say. I'll look at it again later when I get a full read in, but his post was at least interesting even if it is probably NAI

On June 12 2015 11:11 geript wrote:
IDK what moosy is honestly. I kinda think he's mafia because for the most part no one commented on what's like the easiest post to shit all over but I'm the only person who's seemingly have a thought about him. But the post is TL noobielicious.

On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.

##unvote
##vote moosygoosy

On June 13 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote:


I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post.

On June 13 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:

So now we base reads on what mafia was supposed to do and didnt?

Dont like that at all.
Dont like that you peaced out and dont care about the game either. You came back here and did nothing but defend yourself. You didnt scumhunt, you didnt advance the thread.

Geript too btw.

I kinda think noob is town because he just keeps on giving advice even after people tell him to stop.

On June 13 2015 01:04 ruXxar wrote:


That's not what I asked.
I asked why you read him as scum in the first place.

On June 13 2015 01:05 batsnacks wrote:


You didn't do anything. It's what your scum mates did, or rather didn't do (push you).

On June 13 2015 01:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I'm reading geript more. If he doesn't defend himself fast or at the very least post more, it looks too suspicious for him to leave right after you scumread him.

On June 13 2015 02:11 batsnacks wrote:
Scott please tell me you don't actually believe, even a little bit, that me moose and geript are the mafia.

On June 13 2015 02:19 scott31337 wrote:
You're probably right - Geript calls out Batsnacks post at the beginning too


Just putting my thoughts out - I think I'll re-read rexxar next.

On June 13 2015 02:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
@veterans, is geript too obvious of a Mafia here to be one as Scott suggests? I'm curious because I haven't seen him play prior.

On June 13 2015 03:02 batsnacks wrote:


I think it's because I made some silly posts that I probably shouldn't have and they weren't in the mood for silly.

On June 13 2015 03:11 batsnacks wrote:


All the posts you think are scummy were actually meant in jest and good fun! See you can forget that I'm scummy now and we can hold hands and be friends.

On June 13 2015 03:17 batsnacks wrote:


Well his list seemed to be mostly town reads and one bad post call out... Maybe his scum reads are coming next and I'll make that list? Or maybe he just thinks I'm silly and irritating and doesn't want to deal with me. Or maybe we're mafia together and he's scared to draw more attention to us..

On June 13 2015 03:31 geript wrote:

Never assumed he was town to start w/ babycakes. Moreso:
1. Moosy makes a god awful post --> I think he's scum
2. No one pushes Moosy --> If he's town I'd expect someone to have jumped on him therefore scum
3. Posts a shit ton --> Probably just nubian with bad opening and mafia afk or otherwise engaged

On June 13 2015 04:37 Sulfurus wrote:
@geript That's good that you no longer scum read Moosy but Bats hasn't made the same realization you have and you townread two of the people voting on him. So what do you think of him?

On June 13 2015 05:11 geript wrote:

Not even close. Try again wubby. There's literally zero reason to expect me to be townreading him at that point. My argument is pretty clear:
1. His opener was an awful post
2. *If* he's town, then mafia would normally be all over that shit
3. He's likely mafia because of both bad post and the fact that no one is jumping all over that shit

Yet, you've twisted this into:
Moose is town. Mafia should be jumping all over him. Geript is jumping all over him. Geript is mafia.

The thing about it is though that I didn't even push that shit hard. Like I didn't make a big case or stink about it when I easily could have. I made like a handful of posts on him which like half of them have been in response to you. Rather I've been pretty succinct on him and pretty meh. I can't even understand how you're approaching the game at all Wave. So esplain where you're at and why you're there.

On June 13 2015 05:29 geript wrote:

Did you look at this post at all?

He's commenting about things that don't really matter in a way that he's seemingly had some interesting thought on it. He asks a question that's essentially a statement. He meanders through potentially interesting topics while giving no opinion on anything. Then he plays the dumbtell card.

It's a big post that literally offers nothing while commenting on things in a way that confer a formed opinion. It almost can be boiled down to:
"I've been thinking about this game, but I won't really comment on it at all. What do you guys think about this random stuff?"
I don't see even newer town players do that often.

On June 13 2015 05:30 Sulfurus wrote:


You just completely avoided my question. What do you think of Bats?

@Wave ruXx makes a good case on him here and I would probably have my vote on him if it weren't for the fact that he played similar to this as town in the last newbie game. Essentially more thought needs to be put in before he gets bandwagoned.

On June 13 2015 05:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like I gotta say Sulfurus I have no idea where you're at right now and I also have no idea what your goals are in your few posts. And that's not good.

On June 13 2015 06:03 Kickstart wrote:
Went through geript's filter. His move off moosy and onto sulfurus was weird to me. He just said "id rather lynch you" in this thread, then voted in the other thread, and hasn't mentioned it at all. strange.

On June 13 2015 06:29 batsnacks wrote:


Oh yeah I forgot about that. All the people who were saying that you leaving the thread was scummy are wrong. I think wave was one of them; the other stuff he said was okay though.

On June 13 2015 06:37 geript wrote:
Didn't you used to post a bunch in the league area? Like I'm pretty sure that Damdred is ~5 games of you. Like he's had huge Waves of activity while you've been taking a break.

Besides, we both know that despite both of us having a bunch of experience we're both way better as mafia than as town. As town we both tend to meander more than carry.

On June 13 2015 08:27 batsnacks wrote:
I might have to switch to sulfur this is ridiculous.

On June 13 2015 09:25 Damdred wrote:
I kinda think bats is town though.

I need to be on a comp to explain I think he's a horrible lynch

On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:
To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't).

Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels.

Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx).

So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game.

##Vote: Batsnacks

On June 13 2015 08:02 batsnacks wrote:
K well I have the longest filter now and anyone who thinks mafia batsnacks has the biggest filter d1 is a silly goose and I don't mind getting lynched by silly geese because they can't be reasoned with anyway. So I'm going to go play dwarf fortress.

On June 13 2015 08:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Lol, if you think a slight change in opinion is wishy washy then I guess I can never change my opinion or stance in the future.

On June 13 2015 09:23 Rels wrote:
And batsnacks, you have very few post worth reading with an enormous filter.

Though I have this feeling: that's weird that everybody is on you. Really, if you're mafia it means that scott, moosy or damdred almost have to be too.

But that doesn't matter atm. Make content and if someone is scummier than you I'll vote that person. That's it.

On June 14 2015 03:00 geript wrote:
And wave got added for feels iirc but weekly so. that might have been earlier though

On June 14 2015 03:55 Damdred wrote:


Hold up now, I've given several,cutting edge opinions besides just don't lynch bat. So let's not misrepresent.

However If you were to say I haven't really expressed any scum reads you would be correct. Besides saying I would lynch Geript anyway.

Something is still pinching me about Geript not being totally right, and I still like the case on rel.

I am not sure I agree with lynching sulfur today though I like a couple points but I'm not sure

On June 14 2015 04:14 Trfel wrote:
Ugh, I just don't quite feel right about lynching geript or Damdred. They're both incredible players, and it's the weekend, so it's unfair to expect normal activity levels from them.

##vote Rels

On June 14 2015 04:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Can people let Rels reply to this and NO ONE DEFEND him? Depending on his response, this might be the nail in the coffin.

On June 14 2015 04:47 Damdred wrote:
Imo lynch rels trfel has made several excellent posts that really show someone being crummy. I think it's a good case

On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:


This is bold. Why does mafia post this?

On June 14 2015 08:10 n00bKing wrote:

The Phase might have been 48 hours, but it didn't end when the post in Page 1 said it would, and it didn't end at the time all of the vote counts told us it would.

I don't know that the result of the Day would have been ANY different (because my attempts to defend geript did not get a single person to move their vote off of him yet, and in fact 2 more people moved their vote ONTO him after I tried to defend him) but it's "still kinda lame."

Anyway, we're stuck with it, so I'm gonna let it go for now, and just move on.

Well, I would again backreference this post:

This is why I was disappointed to see the surge against geript ignite (aside from the fact that batsnacks' reasoning against him was garbage), because I felt like we had a REAL reason to think that one of the two original vote leaders was scum. I still feel that way now.

As far as which of them is MORE likely to be scum, and which of my town reads become stronger based on the result of the lynch, I should re-read a few things first, and get back to you later.

On June 14 2015 06:10 geript wrote:
Hey batsnacks. Since you're so concerned with teaching noobs, I'll teach you something you should've learned by now. "Scumslips" that are caught never are.

Lynch Rels or Sulf next

On June 14 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote:


Wow bats... I'm speechless.

I had you and geript as my top two scum.

I refuse to believe that you would bus your own scum teammate this hard.
You really redeemed yourself here in my eyes.

I'll have to change my alignment of you to town and change my vote to geript.

##Unvote batsnacks
##Vote geript

On June 14 2015 08:29 n00bKing wrote:

Really? damdred asked who was scum/town. And you said a bunch of stuff about what geript's opinions were on who might be scum. Presumably because we now know for certain that his opinions came from a Townie, and are not obfuscation in any way. So you talk and talk about Sulfurus and Rels, since those are both players geript voted against. But you completely IGNORE that geript said the Vigilante should KILL BATSNACKS. You don't understand why that looks bad?

On June 14 2015 08:37 n00bKing wrote:

Jeebus. Come on, man.

He's doing analysis of geript's scumreads, since geript is now a confirmed Townie. He's casting suspicion on Rels and Sulfurus, because they were players that geript voted against. But the STRONGEST recommendation we got from our confirmed Townie was to KILL BATSNACKS IMMEDIATELY. To leave that out entirely and only focus on the other things makes it look like Batsnacks and Moosy are Mafia teammates. I'm not saying they are, but if they aren't, then Moosy is seriously screwing up here.

On June 14 2015 06:13 geript wrote:
Oh and BTW. Vigilante. Shoot Batsnacks tonight. You'll realize why once I flip. In the least, you should to it to raise the overall intelligence level.

Like I'm literally done playing mafia here. It's fucking stupid. Every time I role mafia, people have no clue how to read me and I wreck face. Every time I role town the stupids think something I've said actually makes me mafia. It gets more fucking ridiculous each and every time.

On June 14 2015 09:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:

If you re-read my post with the mindset that we didn't know what geript was then you would understand why I made it. I honestly did not see that line until your post which said that geript was a townie. That made me look back and I finally saw it. -.- Again, my bad.

On June 14 2015 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Let's get moosy tmr

On June 14 2015 09:33 Oatsmaster wrote:

I thought bats looked town.

On June 14 2015 10:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
What's your issue wave?
Trfels post sounds super scummy, we have only one flip so far but he says he thought we were llooking good with nobody flipped.

On June 14 2015 09:17 WaveofShadow wrote:

Thoughts on the flip Oats?
You swapped pretty handily onto geript without any exposition whatsoever after going ham on batsnacks forever.

On June 14 2015 10:20 Trfel wrote:
Sulfurus, you need to say why you are scumreading me. You can't throw around suspicions with nothing behind them.

WaveofShadow, I don't understand how a player of your caliber can just vanish before the lynch and come back after it. You even came back after the later deadline. Can you please explain this?

On June 14 2015 12:08 Damdred wrote:


This is so wrong.... so very very wrong

On June 15 2015 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:

But talking about townreads is something mafia does because they cant make up a scumread but townreads are ez.

On June 15 2015 00:26 Oatsmaster wrote:

really?
yeah ok, really.

Who do you think dies tonight?

On June 15 2015 00:56 ruXxar wrote:


(PS : Don't tell us if you are)

On June 15 2015 01:12 Damdred wrote:
Well firstly I always hunt scum,by hunting tow first anyone who,has played any amount of,games with me knows this.

I'd lynch rox sulf and rels one of them tommorow

On June 15 2015 02:00 Damdred wrote:
Ehhh I'm not sure.

I guess put ks in there instead

On June 15 2015 04:28 ruXxar wrote:


Then:



I want to know what specifically made you change your opinion on sulfurus and damdred.

I have a voice in the back of my head telling me there's a triangle connection between sulfurus, rels and damdred.

Sulfurus for his hard defense on Rels when he was attacked, and other arguments i made earlier.
Rels for his fake claims that he wants to vote for either damdred or sulfurus, but those are just empty words to make them seem not connected, then switches over to a townread on both.
Damdred for supposedly being the best player in this game, yet not perfoming anywhere near his usual town game potential as recognized by other players.

On June 15 2015 05:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Okay, I started reading filters and I especially looked at Rels/Sulfurus as people have been implying. I REALLY think they're both Mafia.

Rels first comes into the thread and directs all attention to the passive posts from both me and Fake)Plants.
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Then he tries to switch the case onto me-geript-batsnacks which is the next best scapegoat from a newbie who only posted once and never again. Not only that, but notice how he attempts to bring this under the light while trying to cover for Sulfurus who is beginning to become suspected.

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Then he tries to make a case on me once people tell him me-geript-batsnacks was never a thing.

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After this, he leaves the thread for a bit and posts a list of people he suspects in order to pretend to be active. Then WaveofShadow, Oats, and me begin to defend batsnacks whereupon a case begins to form around geript and Sulfurus. Rels decides upon lynching geript and not Sulfurus. Note that before this he is also defending Sulfurus by saying he played the same way in "the previous game". However, batsnacks provided several examples where Sulfurus was providing better critical analysis whereupon Rels is forced to remain quiet.

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As Trfel already pointed out, Rels also does not really seem to support this vote as he already knows who Mafia REALLY is.

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And from this point, Rels disappears, never addresses Trfel's point and he never really answered any other questions as well. I'm curious to see his response when he comes back although I believe a strong case can be made against both Rels and Sulfurus as a team of Mafia.

On June 15 2015 06:59 n00bKing wrote:
Yay, deadline! Can finally post this monster. I typed this up like 4 hours ago, and have had to sit on it all day. I have to say though, the posts that have been made since then have not really made me reconsider any of what I'm posting here.

WALL OF TEXT TIME!

I don't particularly expect to be killed tonight. But just in case that happens, here's where my thoughts are at.

Briefly, let's consider what it means if I do get killed. There was one post I made that I backreferenced twice, and is probably the post that would be most strongly associated with me. It was this one:

I didn't have any luck whatsoever trying to get geript out of the noose, and some players (like damdred and batsnacks) have been saying that a lot of my posts can just be safely ignored. Based on all that, I don't think the scum players would kill me, to make it look like they were trying to silence me, to FRAME one of Sulfurus/batsnacks, if they were both actually town. Rather, the scum team would only kill me if my Theory was indeed correct, and one of Sulfurus/batsnacks IS scum. So remember, if the scum team kills me, the Theory is correct.

We already know that I still think the Theory is correct, and I've mentioned some possible teammates for batsnacks (damdred, Moosy) if he is the bad guy in this scenario. And I said that I also had some ideas in mind about who could be possible teammates for Sulfurus, if he is the bad guy in this scenario. So here goes.

If Sulfurus is scum, my best guess for a teammate of his is ruXxar. And my second-best guess is Rels. Trying to catch the entirety of a 3-man scum team before anyone flips red might be a fool's errand, but there are a lot of interesting things to note, about the interactions (and sometimes, lack of interactions) between these 3 players.

Most of all, they do not speak to each other directly, they just speak OF each other indirectly. This could be because all 3 of them are on the Newbie list. A couple of them may be playing as scum in Mafia-by-forum for their very first time. And they may be trying to avoid talking with each other, because they question their ability to make the conversation seem authentic, rather than fabricated.

Sulfurus has not made any posts where he is speaking directly to ruXxar OR rels. None. NONE! Nor has ruXxar made ANY posts where he is speaking directly to Sulfurus.

Rels has made only 1 post where he is speaking directly to Sulfurus, and has made 2 posts where he is speaking directly to ruXxar. ruXxar has made only 1 post where he is speaking directly to Rels, and that was a post where he is answering a question that Rels has posed to him.

But although these guys don't ever talk to each other, they talk ABOUT each other plenty. If you look through their respective filters, you'll find a LOT of instances where they are soft-defending each other, and giving each other slight town reads. Occasionally one of them will give one of the others a hard town read instead. Sometimes they talk about their willingness to vote against one of the others, but it NEVER actually happens.

One of the most interesting posts in all of Day 1 was this one:

This was the towniest post batsnacks made the whole phase. He's been in this vote race with Sulfurus for a lot of the day, yet he points out that it is curious (and yes, bold) for Sulfurus (if he were scum) to protect Rels, who has surfaced as a third horse in that vote race. If batsnacks is scum and trying to avoid the noose, why is he pointing out something Sulfurus had said that wouldn't make any sense, if Sulfurus were scum? So this reflects well on batsnacks, more than anything else he did the whole phase.

And it's a GOOD question. If Sulfurus is scum and trying to avoid the noose, why is he protecting this new potential target (Rels)? Well, one explanation that would make sense is: If Rels is ALSO scum.

Lastly, I'll take a look at how this potential Sulfurus/reXxar/Rels team fits in with my Theory about the Day 1 voting. Here's the vote count, at the time I posted the Theory:

If the scum team is Sulfurus/ruXxar/Rels, then without a doubt, you've got "all hands on deck" in that vote count, keeping batsnacks in the lead ahead of Sulfurus. All 3 of them have their vote on batsnacks, to help make sure Sulfurus doesn't run out to an insurmountable lead.

And the timing of those votes makes sense too, in that scenario. ruXxar was on batsnacks early. It isn't until Sulfurus picks up a 2nd vote (the one from geript) that Sulfurus goes ahead and piles onto batsnacks. And it isn't until Sulfurus picks up a 3rd vote (the one from batsnacks) that Rels ALSO piles onto batsnacks.

But I'm sure they wouldn't be comfortable, all having their vote on the same guy, who they know would flip green. So once Trfel puts the 6th vote on batsnacks, Rels is looking to make a move. As I mentioned at the time, he goes OUTSIDE the game, to look at batsnacks' meta, to manufacture an excuse to move his vote off of him. If he can get a third horse going, it could shut down the usefulness of my Theory, because it can stall the batsnacks vs. Sulfurus debate for another day. So Rels goes after geript, who we now know was Town. He then IMMEDIATELY bails on the thread (in the same post where he puts his vote on geript) so that I won't have a chance to berate him for how his vote change violates the Conclusion of my Theory.

Rels can safely move off of batsnacks, because even in the 5 vs. 5 tie it creates, batsnacks would still be the lynch, and not Sulfurus. He can always shift back later if he needs to, but if they can get away with it, they really don't want to all be in the same place at the same time.

I said during Day 1 that Sulfurus was my "#2 suspect." batsnacks was #1. Later in the day, I said that Sulfurus was "still a Top 2 suspect for me." I no longer said he was #2, just Top 2. Because he had actually overtaken batsnacks as #1. I just hadn't moved my vote yet (or even admitted that Sulfurus was the new #1), because I wanted to see batsnacks follow through on his promise to "destroy the thread" if he stayed in the vote lead long enough.

Sulfurus would be my top lynch on Day 2. If he flips Red, is it better to go after ruXxar or Rels next? That's tough. The ties between Sulfurus and ruXxar are definitely stronger than the ties between Sulfurus and Rels. But Rels is being read by more people as being generally scummy right now, so he might be the easier lynch, even if ruXxar could be the more logical lynch.

I'll say again that I would not waste a cop check on ruXxar, because if he's scum, I think his most likely role is Ignignokt.

If Sulfurus flips Green, then it's back to the drawing board, to some extent. Hopefully that would mean a batsnacks scum team, and he's paired with either Moosy or damdred. But that case is tougher to make than Sulfurus/ruXxar/Rels.

If Sulfurus and batsnacks are both Green, then I have been wrong about pretty close to everything in this game, and you shouldn't even be interested in who I think the scum team might be, at that point. If it's something like Kickstart/Wave/Trfel, then...good luck with that.

Alright, that's it. Go Town!

Conclusion: Even though there's a lot of time left in the Phase, we may not want to introduce a third lynch target, and should instead stick to trying to pick between these two (since, if the Theory is correct, one of them would flip Red).

On June 14 2015 05:53 Fecalfeast wrote:


Oatsmaster (0): Kickstart
ruXxar (0): Trfel
Kickstart (0): Sulfurus
Sulfurus (2): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373, MoosyDoosy
Batsnacks (2): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfel
scott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): Rels
Geript (8): WaveofShadow, Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruxxar, Scott
Rels (1): batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, Geript, scott11331373737373771317371373

Not Voting (0):



Currently Sulfurus is set to be lynched with 5 votes!
Remember to vote in the voting thread
Day ends in

On June 15 2015 07:17 Kickstart wrote:
First of all I want to apologize for my lack of activity. It isn't fair to everyone that I am usually quite active and in this game I neglected to play for some time. I am town though.
Secondly this end of cycle times is getting really stupid, please set a time and stick to it. I thought it was 21:00 originally then it was 1 hour earlier and now its 18:00.

Originally was suspicious mainly of ruxx and sulf. Sulf still scummy ruxx not so much. Hate to just come in and agree with thread sentiment but rels is scummy as well. Tbh I just skimmed through most of the EoD and the night stuff though.

On June 15 2015 07:18 ruXxar wrote:


Although I have to say, there's something that irs me greatly about his play.

What irks me is that sulfurs actions are so blatantly bad.
Attacking trelf, which to a lot of people is a townie, had such a low probability of working that I'd think no mafia would be stupid enough to try to use that as their defense.

In his last game he played he went against the grain and was actually town,
so from a meta standpoint his play makes sense sort of?

Still the associations between him and rels are too strong.

Scum

On June 15 2015 10:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah wave, unless the scumteam is you/kickstart/sulph.

But why are you telling us to do things rather than doing things.

Why arent you doing this?


Wave last maf..

On June 15 2015 08:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
that was a pretty bad kill.

Why exactly is everyone voting for rels and not sulph?

On June 15 2015 08:45 Sulfurus wrote:
Can someone besides trfel explain to me why he is being so universally town read? I admit looking back his tunnel on rels is better then I thought but that's it. He has spent all his time on this one player and doesn't have good reads on anyone else yet multiple players have put him at the top of their townlists.

On June 15 2015 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also i have been in a game where day 1 was between 2 scum.
So meh, not a point

Oatsmaster (0): Kickstart
ruXxar (0): Trfel
Kickstart (0): Sulfurus
Sulfurus (2): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373, MoosyDoosy
Batsnacks (2): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfel
scott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): Rels
Geript (8): WaveofShadow, Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruxxar, Scott
Rels (1): batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, Geript, scott11331373737373771317371373

Not Voting (0):

On June 14 2015 10:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
WHat you want wave?

Geript flipped town. Sucks. Move on.

If you are asking why Geript as opposed to other people, basically what I explained earlier. He didn't post before I slept so yeah, that's where my read was.

On June 13 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
I'm scum reading sulfurus because you are sleeping people onto bats, means you don't really tthink bats is mafia, but your town reads do so you value their opinion over yours.

Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat.
I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia.

On June 14 2015 04:14 Trfel wrote:
Ugh, I just don't quite feel right about lynching geript or Damdred. They're both incredible players, and it's the weekend, so it's unfair to expect normal activity levels from them.

##vote Rels

On June 14 2015 05:42 Damdred wrote:


Bats...I am so proud of you

On June 14 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote:


Wow bats... I'm speechless.

I had you and geript as my top two scum.

I refuse to believe that you would bus your own scum teammate this hard.
You really redeemed yourself here in my eyes.

I'll have to change my alignment of you to town and change my vote to geript.

##Unvote batsnacks
##Vote geript

On June 16 2015 05:25 ruXxar wrote:


How so?

On June 16 2015 05:31 ruXxar wrote:


And why won't you read rels posts?!....
As a town it's your duty to stay informed so you can make a judgement based on as much information as possible.

On June 16 2015 05:37 batsnacks wrote:


Yeah I'd be happier if sulfur is lynched but I'd be happier if ruxxar was lynched.

On June 16 2015 05:40 ruXxar wrote:


I see you're at it again with you "Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs."

We all saw how that worked out with geript.

On June 16 2015 05:48 ruXxar wrote:


He's nitpicking on a word that was supposedly a "slip" from me.

On June 16 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:


Wanna know the easiest way to tell the difference between mafia and shitty town? Be mafia. Like seriously there is no way you should be able to tell the difference as town given what sulfur has provided, unless you are mafia and you actually know sulfur's alignment.

On June 16 2015 05:55 batsnacks wrote:


If ruxxar and sulfur are both mafia I don't think it's unreasonable to think that ruxxar is defending his scum mate who has all but left their team to fend for themselves. I also don't think it's unreasonable to think that ruxxar's case is TMI. So sulfur's alignment doesn't matter, ruxxar is scummy regardless.

On June 16 2015 06:00 ruXxar wrote:


Ok so here's a thought.

You're a mafia. It's an exciting role yes?
If you rolled mafia would you not be more inclined to actually stay alive and win than if you were town?

I can understand the IDGAF attitude if you roll vanilla town, but as mafia I would be way more interested in the game.

Why would sulfurus STILL not even ATTEMPT to mount some sort of defense?
Is he breaking the rules of the mafia game and not playing to WIN?
Does he honestly think that I alone am going to be able to save him?
Not in a million years when I'm already suspect as mafia.

On June 16 2015 06:09 ruXxar wrote:
If for any reason sulfurus flips and he's red, you can lynch me next night 100%, I won't even be mad.

I'm that confident in my read.

On June 16 2015 06:21 ruXxar wrote:


You misunderstood completely.

That sentence says that if he's a mafia given up the game, and I'm also a mafia, then I'm idiot for defending him.
Ergo only an idiot mafia would defend sulfurus if he's red.
I'd like to think I'm better than that so I would've bussed sulfur a long time ago if I actually was his mafia buddy.

As for why sulfur isn't mafia in an isolated scope, I've already made that argument before.

On June 16 2015 07:16 Damdred wrote:
I'm mafia remember?

Actually here's a thought I'm thinking that's totally unrelated. Wave barely calls me out in most of hi postings besides being disappointed to an extent. However He keeps bringing attention to sul at points and says l tt inch the person not playing the game. Why then am,I not the primary push. I have played much less than anyone in,the game currently yet not pushed.

Its an interesting observation.

And rux is obviously tmi

On June 16 2015 07:28 batsnacks wrote:
I agree with pretty much everything damdred has said this game though so yeah.

That's the scum tell I was talking about btw damdred. You're really, really nice to me when you're mafia.

On June 16 2015 07:29 Damdred wrote:


Teehee, if you think that's the scum team why did you,move your vote to ks when you are still so sure of sulf? Seems counterproductive at this,juncture

On June 16 2015 07:35 Damdred wrote:


You already invalidated the point by your ebwop

On June 16 2015 08:03 Damdred wrote:
Sure got busy at work.

Super large bulky posts with little activity besides that.
Has good posts on rel, has the lynch ready to be pushed through. Instead of pushing counterwagon jumps off instantly on bats slip case on Geript.
Someone who trfel had previously scum read.
Start of today immediately was like bats case good sheep.
Keeps mentioning worried about me without actually doing anything. Ie basically is soft pushing.
Lack of scum hunting reliance on huge posts most won't read. Looks like trfel is doing lots when,isn't.~

What is the mafia incentive for pushing Rels hard at times, and at other times going with other wagons? That's a lousy way to go about a bus, and if I'm scum and Rels is town, why would I keep jumping around between flipped town geript, likely town batsnacks, and assumed town Rels?

Given the lackluster way geript was playing, I was suspicious of him. I didn't want to lynch him for that alone, though, because of the weekend and because of the potential risk. However, when batsnacks caught what I thought was a scumslip, this new information convinced me to lynch geript. If I didn't re-evaluate based on new information, that would be more telling.

On June 16 2015 08:11 Kickstart wrote:
Eh didnt look at role possibilities. There are still better lynches than me regardless.

On June 17 2015 03:17 Damdred wrote:
Yeah id be more up for a rox lynch here

On June 17 2015 04:14 batsnacks wrote:
Scott is mafia, ruxxar is mafia, kickstart is probably mafia. If it's not kickstart maybe sulfur or someone who's having a really easy time with how scummy several townies are being.

On June 17 2015 04:17 Damdred wrote:
Look at what Sul said that town is super tunneled oj Ks. That implies that Ks is town. But then says I'll just vote Ks cause he's mafia.

the two sentiments don't make sense.

On June 17 2015 04:30 Kickstart wrote:
Lol Sulf is blatant scum. Also people keep saying to defend the points, I did to the extent I'm able and willing. In my mind there isnt much to defend myself against except being afk and trying to clamore back into the game vs an entire thread that is mad at me. You can lynch someone scummy in Sulf or you can lynch someone who was afk for a bit and will flip green in me.

On June 17 2015 04:36 batsnacks wrote:
People jumped on the kickstart wagon for bad reasons in general. Trfel's case was the most reasonable thing said about kickstart and even people who are sheeping it are sheeping the weaker points in the case e.g. Cop check comments. I mean kickstart is scummy as hell but the wagon feels wrong.

On June 17 2015 04:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The question is whether we lynch the guy who posts weird shit and leaves for a day or the guy who wagons on everything and posts weird shit but can be given a newbie pass.

On June 17 2015 04:54 ruXxar wrote:


What in the world is this crap of a post ?!

Once again you're making my brain hurt.
Can you for once just try to be clear in what you're saying and why you're saying it?!

I want to believe that you're just a bad townie but you're really stretching it here.

On June 17 2015 04:54 ruXxar wrote:


What in the world is this crap of a post ?!

Once again you're making my brain hurt.
Can you for once just try to be clear in what you're saying and why you're saying it?!

I want to believe that you're just a bad townie but you're really stretching it here.

On June 17 2015 04:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:
eh, WaveofShadow, do you think we should lynch Sulfurus or ruXxar first?

On June 17 2015 04:55 Rels wrote:
Cant post much since I'm with my GF.

The only people I'll agree to switch is scott. Sulfu is town and ruxxar is an easy mislynch I feel.

On June 17 2015 06:16 Kickstart wrote:
The sulf not voting me is quite strange but I can see mafia justification for it. Especially since I'm set to be lynched without his vote at the moment.

On June 17 2015 06:38 scott31337 wrote:
Yeah Im here had to finish the other game - I fought well
let me read and catch up and my vote

On June 17 2015 08:46 ruXxar wrote:
I want peoples opinions on sulfurs last read list.

On June 17 2015 09:02 Kickstart wrote:
Hmm. Surely not all 3 mafia were on me. I hate it when people use the "that is too obviously scum for them to be scum", but I mean holy shit all the people I was suspicious of stuck with the vote on me and most of my town reads went onto sulfurus. Game too ez and mafia done goofed in trying to lynch me so hard or???

On June 17 2015 09:16 Kickstart wrote:
Other than oats who looks bad, I think rels looks bad as well. He tried to stop the switch over to sulf and really wanted the lynch to remain on me. But I am looking at it from a skewed perspective so maybe others can give some input on this? Specifically his posts up to the lynch where he is pushing my wagon and tries to convince everyone that my case is 'shit' when it was in fact true at least in sulfs case, who I said should be the vote.

On June 17 2015 09:25 Kickstart wrote:
@Oats

Again this idea you have that me and sulf are somehow scum buddies just doesnt make sense. We were at each other from minute one at the start of the game and I have had him as my top scum read since the beginning of the game and he has pushed to have me lynched likewise. I mean I guess it is POSSIBLE but definitely not the most likely explanation.

On June 17 2015 21:40 ruXxar wrote:
I stand by my defense on sulfurous.

You can go back and read my arguments if you want to.

On June 17 2015 21:57 ruXxar wrote:
My logic was that no mafia would be stupid enough to act the way sulf did.
At the time I was convinced of this and was consistent on this.

Turns out I was the stupid one that got mindgamed 360.

On June 17 2015 07:32 ruXxar wrote:
A question.

Mafia can talk to each other right?
If so why wouldn't sulfurs mafia friends tell him to not play so bad?

On June 17 2015 07:38 ruXxar wrote:
It wasn't meant in that way.

I'm just bitter that the whole premise on my theory rested on the fact that Sulfur was actually a good player q.q.

On June 17 2015 07:52 ruXxar wrote:


Just read his filter than look at sulfurus actions and posts and you'll understand immediatly.

On June 17 2015 08:20 ruXxar wrote:
Actually from the way Sulfur played I can conclude that Rels is mafia. 100%

On June 17 2015 08:39 ruXxar wrote:
From how much I misjudged sulfur I would say that he'd never vote for his teammate.

On June 17 2015 08:46 ruXxar wrote:
I want peoples opinions on sulfurs last read list.

On June 17 2015 17:46 Rels wrote:
I also had a thought about batsnacks while sleeping. Two days in a row, he was pretty suspicious of Sulfu, but tried to deflect the lynch from him at EOD.

The first day he succeded with a geript case:
+ Show Spoiler +

The second day he proposed to switch to scott. Of course he said it jokingly, so we can't know if it's a joke or a disguised attempt. But the fact is that he repeated it several times in the last hour of the day:





I admit the last one made me laugh. (=

That's not a case, just an observation for future days.

On June 15 2015 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also i have been in a game where day 1 was between 2 scum.
So meh, not a point

On June 17 2015 22:08 batsnacks wrote:
It's not just his defending sulfurus the way he has voted all game looks worse than anyone else.

On June 17 2015 22:13 Rels wrote:

What are you talking about ?

On June 17 2015 15:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ive been on scumteams before where we are just like, "damn dude sorry you suck, we are gonna bus you and if you dont get lynched, great, you get lynched, at least we get cred".

Sulph was in that spot totally for the scumteam.

On June 17 2015 22:14 batsnacks wrote:


Because he actually posted things unlike the other two wagons.

On June 18 2015 05:40 Rels wrote:


Now that you went on the offensive, I think you should say your reasons before deadline, in case you're killed.

On June 18 2015 08:26 batsnacks wrote:
I voted ruxxar. If he is town it's because he accidentally voted on every wagon this game except sulfur who happened to be the scummiest player in the game, and defended sulfur despite sulfur being the most scummy person in the game.

I don't think there is more for me to contribute regarding ruxxar. I will be thinking about who to lynch after ruxxar from now on.

On June 18 2015 07:45 ruXxar wrote:
Well oats was right about one thing:

On June 18 2015 09:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
Come on, you can't say voting exonerates people because sulph was so bad that mafia may just have bussed from the very start.

Hey damdred at the start of the game you looked through your replace person. Why did you do that?

On June 18 2015 10:46 Oatsmaster wrote:

Lol his first like 5 posts were really really bad.

And if its between bats/sulph, they may have thought its too suspicious.

Whatever, its all speculation.

its just that I have gotten burned way too many times by assuming someone is town JUST because they lynched mafia.

On June 19 2015 03:11 ruXxar wrote:
I really want to lynch oats.

Reading kicks filter from day 2, he was one of the strongest if not the strongest proponent on lynching sulfur.
If kicks goes out and pushes his teammate is hard, how can oats come to the conclusion that kick doesn't know about bussing?

On June 18 2015 01:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Wave you want to lunch danded tmr?

On June 19 2015 03:53 Kickstart wrote:
I dunno I don't see much scum motivation in Damdreds day2 stuff around the sulfurus lynch. Basically said he refused to lynch me when I was probably who scum were going to try for and he was one of the first onto sulf. I mean its possible but if Damdred is scum why doesn't he try to get something going on a townie instead of just hard defending me and immediatly voting his scum buddy. Doesnt make sense to me :/

On June 19 2015 05:40 Rels wrote:
Last thought of the day: this push is too easy. So easy. There is 6 people voting scott, and WOS was here and did nothing to interrupt that: so that's 7 people out of 9, and 2 mafia left. Statistically, there is at least one mafia on these 7, who is currently is not doing anything to make the thread move.

And I can apply this theory for the whole day. Almost nothing happened, and scott was the most likely train from the very beginning. I know for a fact ruxx and Oats were here and did nothing, for example.

So to me everybody is happy with the lynch going this way: town 'cause scott is super scummy, AND mafia.

So it seems that the mafia team is happy with scott going down. It can mean:
- scott is not defendable
- scott is townie