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First time playing Mafia. Sounds interesting. In!
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On June 07 2015 09:31 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 09:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
First time playing Mafia. Sounds interesting. In! Oh, hi 
Oh wow, hi Trfel! Didn't know you came to TL too. :D Also pretty cool meeting you in this niche part of the TL forums. Are you here for this round too?
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Sorry guys new to this. I guess I'm confirming?
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On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet.
I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great.
Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia?
And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us.
On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves.
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On June 12 2015 10:53 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 10:47 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 10:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 12 2015 10:27 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. people should be talking about this. I invited you to talk to me but you've given me the cold shoulder thus far. I has a sad  Kinda busy dog sitting. Was really sruprised when people didn't jump on that post at all. Like that's a post that mafia would usually be all over if that guy's town. It's so... indecisive... passive... unopinionated... blah. I've only skimmed but that was one of two posts that stuck out to me. Batsnacks weird post stuck out to me too. IDK what he's doing, pulling a chezinu? IDK. I couldn't figure out wtf he was trying to say. I'll look at it again later when I get a full read in, but his post was at least interesting even if it is probably NAI I mean it stuck out to me because it's so blatantly.... there? I don't think it's possible to comment much on a post like that because it goes way beyond a level of newbie I would expect. It's such an odd and terrible post I don't think it can come from anything BUT town but then again I've never seen even the newbiest noob town post anything like that. Would still lean town over scum on that pretty easy. Batsnacks is meh, but I like Oats' posting around him. Something feels there to me. Any thoughts on the Trfel/ruxxar/kickstart bullshit? I cba to read it in detail
Sorry if I'm confusing you guys. Trfel can vouch for me since he's also on the Bnet forums from time to time, but I like to take a very respectful tone in my posts due to the high amount of trolling on those forums. It helps to keep the peace. Thought it would be normal since TL's supposed to be all official and strict but I guess it's fine to be informal looking at the rest of this thread lol.
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Yo, also keep in mind a newbie might be Mafia which is why he's not jumping on my post. Seems like something Mafia should do from reading the guide.
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On June 12 2015 11:08 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 11:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yo, also keep in mind a newbie might be Mafia which is why he's not jumping on my post. Seems like something Mafia should do from reading the guide. Did you post that post intentionally so mafia would jump on it? You do realise that there are 3 mafia.
I posted that post because I was confused about what exactly Trfel was calling ruXx out on although it seems that suspicion is more or less cleared up. I also had zero intention on baiting the Mafia. As I said, I'm completely clueless as to how to play.
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^^ Also yeah, now I know there's three Mafia. I asked that question earlier.
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On June 12 2015 11:11 geript wrote:
IDK what moosy is honestly. I kinda think he's mafia because for the most part no one commented on what's like the easiest post to shit all over but I'm the only person who's seemingly have a thought about him. But the post is TL noobielicious.
^ If you look at my previous posts, literally 3/4 of them are me cheering for Life in the same manner as my banner. Also, why would I be Mafia if no one commented on my post? If there's 3 Mafia, wouldn't one of them be able to comment on mine safely?
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On June 12 2015 11:16 Kickstart wrote:Here's something of a mini-case on why I am scum reading ruXxar atm. First several posts he seems quite concerned about the scum team! Why is this. This doesn't seem to be normal new town player concerns to me. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:22 ruXxar wrote:
Well if the mafia are just going to lynch themselves then this should be an easy game! Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:26 ruXxar wrote:I actually believe in the right of individual freedom, so as long as the mafia just stick to themselves and don't hurt anyone, I don't mind having them around  . *slaps himself* No, stop daydreaming ruxx! Then there was his answering question slip which has been the topic of much debate. It is really weird because I said I don't like people answering questions directed at others, Trfel asks me why, and then ruxx answers -______-. I think a townie would read that and be wary of answering because they see me saying that answering for others is a bad thing. My take on it is that ruxx maybe saw an easy opportunity to seem helpful and didn't even pay attention to the interaction going on there.
Wait, so when you're saying that ruXx didn't notice the interaction, are you saying that your post was meant to bait the Mafia aka ruXx?
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^ Also Kickstart, I wouldn't read too much into ruXx's initial post where he's rambling about slapping/daydreaming about Mafia. It might have been from an attempt to identify himself as a non-aggressor to the Mafia so that when night time comes around, they don't kill him. If the game went on for longer, people would also suspect ruXx more giving the Mafia an easy kill. This actually happens a ton in real life Mafia but it's clear it's totally different online at this point.
Also, going back to his post where he "misses the interaction" which is right after his rambling, it's pretty clear that ruXx is not paying attention whatsoever. As a newbie he was probably just as excited as I was about remaining passive which is why he didn't notice the err in his post. Just the fact that it seems he has no idea whatsoever about what he's saying during his rambling just shows this too.
I'll look through the rest of your points, but I'll try and provide a "newbie perspective." Either way, it looks like he wised up real fast and stopped being as frantic and energetic in his posts.
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Yeah, the more I read of ruXx's initial posts, the more it seems he's thinking in terms of a real life Mafia game as well as tryharding a bit.
Him intercepting a question was him tryharding a basic read and him supporting lying is from a real life Mafia mindset since lying is much more common in real life.
The last two posts that you point out are kind of shady but even then they err on the side of newbie to online Mafia. Overall I wouldn't vote him just yet until we get more evidence.
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@Kickstart, I'm not saying you're tryharding I'm saying ruXx was tryharding at the start. Please re-read.
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On that note, why you getting so offensive bro? My post does not attempt to scumread you, I'm just trying to interpret ruXx's posts in a different light. Is the reason you're getting offensive about people scumreading you is because you're actually scum?
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On June 12 2015 11:42 Kickstart wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 11:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:
@Kickstart, I'm not saying you're tryharding I'm saying ruXx was tryharding at the start. Please re-read. That was directed at Oats..................................................................................
My b. Your other post was really helpful too. Hm, I'd still give ruXx the benefit of the doubt for this day time but I see where you're coming from.
@Sulfurus, just because a n00b is aggressive doesn't mean he's Mafia. He might just be very excited.
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Well at least from this, we now know why Kickstart voted for Oatsmaster at the start.
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On June 12 2015 12:00 Kickstart wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 11:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Well at least from this, we now know why Kickstart voted for Oatsmaster at the start. Why is this post edited. DO not edit your posts. And yes, he annoys me. I thought maybe after 3 years it would be different but nope, he still does.
Sorry, edited from "Wwell, we now know why Kickstart voted for Oatsmaster" -> "Well at least from this, we now know why Kickstart voted for Oatsmaster at the start"
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On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.
##unvote
##vote moosygoosy
Wait, so people who are voting for me. Why exactly do you guys think I'm Mafia?
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What I want to do is find out why geript stopped posting after WaveofShadow had a scumread on him.
@batsnacks, I mean, I'm pretty sure I made it clear I was a town but sure, go ahead and waste your vote.
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On June 13 2015 01:01 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 13 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 00:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.
##unvote
##vote moosygoosy So you're voting along with scum? Interesting. I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post. So now we base reads on what mafia was supposed to do and didnt? Dont like that at all. Dont like that you peaced out and dont care about the game either. You came back here and did nothing but defend yourself. You didnt scumhunt, you didnt advance the thread. Geript too btw. I kinda think noob is town because he just keeps on giving advice even after people tell him to stop. I don't feel like there's anything I need to defend against. But yeah I do like the idea of basing reads off of what mafia should and shouldn't do. That's why I'm voting moosegoose.
And what exactly did I do to show I'm Mafia? I admit my first post was dumb of me but that was because I'm generally more of a passive poster.
Besides, if you want to go along with basing reads off of what Mafia should and shouldn't do, shouldn't YOU be thinking of geript right now? He makes a post about how Mafia should act, leaves the thread after being accused of Mafia, and then does nothing to defend himself.
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On June 13 2015 01:02 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.
So. What do you think of plants first and only post ? I can't really get a read on him from that one post. He should participate more if his goal is to help town!
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. The people that are the most suspicious to me are geript and Plants right now. Plants can easily be cleared if he posts more though and shows his intentions but geript seems to be forcing a read right now.
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On June 13 2015 01:05 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 01:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 01:01 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 13 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 00:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.
##unvote
##vote moosygoosy So you're voting along with scum? Interesting. I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post. So now we base reads on what mafia was supposed to do and didnt? Dont like that at all. Dont like that you peaced out and dont care about the game either. You came back here and did nothing but defend yourself. You didnt scumhunt, you didnt advance the thread. Geript too btw. I kinda think noob is town because he just keeps on giving advice even after people tell him to stop. I don't feel like there's anything I need to defend against. But yeah I do like the idea of basing reads off of what mafia should and shouldn't do. That's why I'm voting moosegoose. And what exactly did I do to show I'm Mafia? I admit my first post was dumb of me but that was because I'm generally more of a passive poster. Besides, if you want to go along with basing reads off of what Mafia should and shouldn't do, shouldn't YOU be thinking of geript right now? He makes a post about how Mafia should act, leaves the thread after being accused of Mafia, and then does nothing to defend himself. You didn't do anything. It's what your scum mates did, or rather didn't do (push you).
Wait, is the Mafia pushing against me right now? In this case, wouldn't that be you since you're trying to read me so hard right now?
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On June 13 2015 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 01:05 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 01:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 01:01 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 13 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 00:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.
##unvote
##vote moosygoosy So you're voting along with scum? Interesting. I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post. So now we base reads on what mafia was supposed to do and didnt? Dont like that at all. Dont like that you peaced out and dont care about the game either. You came back here and did nothing but defend yourself. You didnt scumhunt, you didnt advance the thread. Geript too btw. I kinda think noob is town because he just keeps on giving advice even after people tell him to stop. I don't feel like there's anything I need to defend against. But yeah I do like the idea of basing reads off of what mafia should and shouldn't do. That's why I'm voting moosegoose. And what exactly did I do to show I'm Mafia? I admit my first post was dumb of me but that was because I'm generally more of a passive poster. Besides, if you want to go along with basing reads off of what Mafia should and shouldn't do, shouldn't YOU be thinking of geript right now? He makes a post about how Mafia should act, leaves the thread after being accused of Mafia, and then does nothing to defend himself. You didn't do anything. It's what your scum mates did, or rather didn't do (push you). LOL So you're not even assuming the same thing Geript apparently did? Geript at least seemed to assume Moosy was town shitposting at first which would make scum jump on for an easy mislynch, but you think he's scum and ALSO think scum would bus him right off the bat? That's fucking horrible.
Oh shit, that's what he meant. Dude, wtf would the Mafias do that for. Shouldn't they try and help each other?
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On June 13 2015 01:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't decide now if I think geript and bats could be scum together for this horribleness. Association cases = bad but I can't help it and I THINK it's probably not the case. One of them at least for sure though.
I'm reading geript more. If he doesn't defend himself fast or at the very least post more, it looks too suspicious for him to leave right after you scumread him.
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On June 13 2015 01:12 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 13 2015 01:05 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 01:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 01:01 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 13 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 00:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.
##unvote
##vote moosygoosy So you're voting along with scum? Interesting. I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post. So now we base reads on what mafia was supposed to do and didnt? Dont like that at all. Dont like that you peaced out and dont care about the game either. You came back here and did nothing but defend yourself. You didnt scumhunt, you didnt advance the thread. Geript too btw. I kinda think noob is town because he just keeps on giving advice even after people tell him to stop. I don't feel like there's anything I need to defend against. But yeah I do like the idea of basing reads off of what mafia should and shouldn't do. That's why I'm voting moosegoose. And what exactly did I do to show I'm Mafia? I admit my first post was dumb of me but that was because I'm generally more of a passive poster. Besides, if you want to go along with basing reads off of what Mafia should and shouldn't do, shouldn't YOU be thinking of geript right now? He makes a post about how Mafia should act, leaves the thread after being accused of Mafia, and then does nothing to defend himself. You didn't do anything. It's what your scum mates did, or rather didn't do (push you). LOL So you're not even assuming the same thing Geript apparently did? Geript at least seemed to assume Moosy was town shitposting at first which would make scum jump on for an easy mislynch, but you think he's scum and ALSO think scum would bus him right off the bat? That's fucking horrible. Yeah I sort of just skimmed the whole thing. I'll stick with it though and say moosey can be mafia because his scum mates aren't busing him... Or are they? LOL
So you're basing a read off of just "skimming"? Bro, I don't know if you're serious or not but your whole attitude in this game has been super terrible.
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On June 13 2015 01:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im going to sleep.
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On June 13 2015 01:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
I mean Moose COULD be sandbagging big time but that first post of his would be pretty masterfully constructed.
How often do scum win by playing the noob card? I don't think it's that often. Not touching him today.
tbh I feel like such a newb in this whole game. I've just been misreading people's intentions behind posts the whole time.
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On June 13 2015 01:22 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 01:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 01:12 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 13 2015 01:05 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 01:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 01:01 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 13 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 00:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
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So you're voting along with scum? Interesting. I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post. So now we base reads on what mafia was supposed to do and didnt? Dont like that at all. Dont like that you peaced out and dont care about the game either. You came back here and did nothing but defend yourself. You didnt scumhunt, you didnt advance the thread. Geript too btw. I kinda think noob is town because he just keeps on giving advice even after people tell him to stop. I don't feel like there's anything I need to defend against. But yeah I do like the idea of basing reads off of what mafia should and shouldn't do. That's why I'm voting moosegoose. And what exactly did I do to show I'm Mafia? I admit my first post was dumb of me but that was because I'm generally more of a passive poster. Besides, if you want to go along with basing reads off of what Mafia should and shouldn't do, shouldn't YOU be thinking of geript right now? He makes a post about how Mafia should act, leaves the thread after being accused of Mafia, and then does nothing to defend himself. You didn't do anything. It's what your scum mates did, or rather didn't do (push you). LOL So you're not even assuming the same thing Geript apparently did? Geript at least seemed to assume Moosy was town shitposting at first which would make scum jump on for an easy mislynch, but you think he's scum and ALSO think scum would bus him right off the bat? That's fucking horrible. Yeah I sort of just skimmed the whole thing. I'll stick with it though and say moosey can be mafia because his scum mates aren't busing him... Or are they? LOL So you're basing a read off of just "skimming"? Bro, I don't know if you're serious or not but your whole attitude in this game has been super terrible. You're just salty I caught you so easy.
Why don't you go back and read all my posts again rather than just "skimming"? Trying to rile someone up just by shit posting like this isn't helping anyone either.
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On June 13 2015 01:22 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 10:47 geript wrote:
Batsnacks weird post stuck out to me too. IDK what he's doing, pulling a chezinu? IDK. I couldn't figure out wtf he was trying to say. I'll look at it again later when I get a full read in, but his post was at least interesting even if it is probably NAI I saw this mentioned earlier. Can someone explain what a chezinu is?
I think a Chezinu is when a Mafia intentionally makes a filler post to throw people off guard since no one would expect the Mafia to call themselves out like that thus leading to no one actually suspecting him.
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On June 13 2015 01:53 batsnacks wrote:
Noob's fluff was indeed fluffy but I think he is being genuine. I don't think mafia noob is going to start his first game all gun hoe about giving town weird advices.
I agree with this. To me, n00bking seems to have a rather bossy personality which is why he's dishing out so much advice and his posts are super matter-of-fact like. He also did vote for you with some reason at least. Although he's still a bit fishy in my book because he uses waaay too much words.
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On June 13 2015 02:08 scott31337 wrote:Geript has four posts and very little content. I know he's good as mafia - but on the scum side of null for now. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. Is this a dumbtell and didn't read the OP? Did he read boxerfred's last game and took all his ideas (Ie I'll act like I'm so newb everybody will just read me over for a few days) Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 00:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:
What I want to do is find out why geript stopped posting after WaveofShadow had a scumread on him.
@batsnacks, I mean, I'm pretty sure I made it clear I was a town but sure, go ahead and waste your vote. I sure am not seeing this "I made it clear". "Go ahead and waste your vote" is a very interesting way to word a vote on you if you are town. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.
##unvote
##vote moosygoosy Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 10:27 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. people should be talking about this. Making sense? He quoted one post and said talk about this. I like Oat's post about "N00bking" looking townie since didn't stop his advice posting even when people stopped him - that makes a lot of sense. Bats and Geript bussing Moose? looks like the most logical conclusion I see at this time. ## Batsnacks / Geript / MoosyDoosy but that would be too ez. But not liking Batsnacks. Anyone have any questions or want to point out things I may have missed?
Ok, let's get this straight. As I said multiple times before, I'm new to TL and online Mafia. Either way, I'll address your points.
1. You say geript is a good Mafia from previous games and he's too obvious here leading to the conclusion he's not Mafia. If that's the case, how would you expect me to know that? I've never played TL Mafia before and never played with geript so I wouldn't know.
2. All I know about boxerfred is from his post here where he said he couldn't play and from his lack of posts. I don't even know what games he was previously in. The only person I know is Trfel who goes on Bnet forums from time to time which is where I commonly post.
3. I don't see how "Go ahead and waste your vote" is weird. I'm clearly a town so I don't see why batsnacks would vote for me.
4. I already explained why I worded my first post in my first Mafia game in the way I did. I've obviously seen why that's a bad thing to do (Mafia will find a way to point it out and lynch me) so I'm obviously not going to do that in the future.
Is there anything else?
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@veterans, is geript too obvious of a Mafia here to be one as Scott suggests? I'm curious because I haven't seen him play prior.
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On June 13 2015 02:32 Damdred wrote:
Wowsers, i'm glad to be in this game.
I haven't read any of what boxerfred did or said yet which i'll do now.
He can't play.
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^ Like his first post was him saying he couldn't play.
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geript basically contributed nothing with that post. All he did was reiterate everything we said in the previous pages and banter a bit. Would also appreciate it if you explained your absence and why you left after WaveofShadow called you out @geript.
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On June 13 2015 02:43 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 02:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 02:08 scott31337 wrote:Geript has four posts and very little content. I know he's good as mafia - but on the scum side of null for now. On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. Is this a dumbtell and didn't read the OP? Did he read boxerfred's last game and took all his ideas (Ie I'll act like I'm so newb everybody will just read me over for a few days) On June 13 2015 00:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:
What I want to do is find out why geript stopped posting after WaveofShadow had a scumread on him.
@batsnacks, I mean, I'm pretty sure I made it clear I was a town but sure, go ahead and waste your vote. I sure am not seeing this "I made it clear". "Go ahead and waste your vote" is a very interesting way to word a vote on you if you are town. On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.
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##vote moosygoosy On June 12 2015 10:27 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. people should be talking about this. Making sense? He quoted one post and said talk about this. I like Oat's post about "N00bking" looking townie since didn't stop his advice posting even when people stopped him - that makes a lot of sense. Bats and Geript bussing Moose? looks like the most logical conclusion I see at this time. ## Batsnacks / Geript / MoosyDoosy but that would be too ez. But not liking Batsnacks. Anyone have any questions or want to point out things I may have missed? Ok, let's get this straight. As I said multiple times before, I'm new to TL and online Mafia. Either way, I'll address your points. 1. You say geript is a good Mafia from previous games and he's too obvious here leading to the conclusion he's not Mafia. If that's the case, how would you expect me to know that? I've never played TL Mafia before and never played with geript so I wouldn't know. 2. All I know about boxerfred is from his post here where he said he couldn't play and from his lack of posts. I don't even know what games he was previously in. The only person I know is Trfel who goes on Bnet forums from time to time which is where I commonly post. 3. I don't see how "Go ahead and waste your vote" is weird. I'm clearly a town so I don't see why batsnacks would vote for me. 4. I already explained why I worded my first post in my first Mafia game in the way I did. I've obviously seen why that's a bad thing to do (Mafia will find a way to point it out and lynch me) so I'm obviously not going to do that in the future. Is there anything else? 1. I was not saying either way - but Geript is a good mafia player.Is he AFK or uninterested or mafia or both? That's what we're trying to figure out. If you have free time and would like, the TL Mafia Database has a listing of peoples games here and links. 2. I'll rephrase - Boxerfred posted a lot of newbie/dumb questions and skated on this for a few days until people got suspicious of him. It was a ruse. You have read the whole OP (first post) now right? You know what roles CAN be in the game? 3. You just said it again. "I'm clearly a town" - if you say it enough I'll start to believe it? People who keep saying lines like this irk me. "The Most Basic Form of Mind Control is Repetition" 4. Fair enough point, thank you.
scott, bottom line is that most of your reasoning is based on the belief that I'll know how others play or how to play. And what I keep saying is that I'm new to online Mafia and don't know how to play or how others play.
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On June 13 2015 03:31 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 03:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Geript I don't understand how you go from seemingly town-->scum-->town on moosy without any real change in anything he has done. Not following thought processes with you at all, though I think that actually might be standard for you and it annoys me. Never assumed he was town to start w/ babycakes. Moreso: 1. Moosy makes a god awful post --> I think he's scum 2. No one pushes Moosy --> If he's town I'd expect someone to have jumped on him therefore scum 3. Posts a shit ton --> Probably just nubian with bad opening and mafia afk or otherwise engaged
Or Mafia is one of the newbies and doesn't know how to read openings like that. In that case, we should go over the players that were inactive at the start and especially the newbies.
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On June 13 2015 03:34 geript wrote:
Nah. It'd be pretty odd if there wasn't at least 1 veteran on the mafia team.
I'm re-reading posts right now to make a list, but the veteran(s) had to be inactive at the start to not point it out. On the other hand, any newbie might be the Mafia.
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On June 13 2015 03:40 geript wrote:
I can't be surprised if "people didn't call him scum" if there wasn't something good/obvious to call him scum for wubby
To be fair, you did try and point out my post as possible Mafia first, but backed off after Oatsmaster said it might be lynchbait. From there you tried to say it was something that Mafia should have pushed on.
As for new players, I'm seeing only Fake)Plants as a possible Mafia tell while Sulfurus might be one and n00bking is barely suspicious.
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For veterans, I'm only reading geript, batsnacks, and Trfel might warrant a look. He posted at the start and seemed all townie on a subject that wasn't really worth debating as well as trying to lynch someone ASAP before leaving the thread and not posting since then.
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Either way, I'll doubt geript will be voted for this round. Right now I'm wondering whether to cast between batsnacks or Sulfurus. The thing is that Sulfurus has contributed little and some of his posts have been questionably empty.
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On June 13 2015 05:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
And never mind the discussion I had with you at the start that I don't know how you could think that post by him was even remotely scum in the first place which you've conveniently ignored.
To be fair, I can see why my post would be Mafia because it's vacant and terrible like what a Mafia supposedly does in the TL Mafia guide.
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On June 13 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 05:44 Kickstart wrote:On June 13 2015 05:42 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 05:40 geript wrote:
~7 hours batty Okay I can't dick around anymore. Please help me not get lynched, I require written instructions for how to get people to unvote me. Push someone who you think is actually scum then???????? Just a though~ What do I do if I don't have any scum reads? In a sense almost no one has scum reads because I'm town and the only people pushing stuff are pushing me. Here's would lynch: 3)MoosyDoosy 4)Sulfurus 7)Fake)Plants 2)batsnacks 3)Trfel here's idk can't form opinion: 6)damdred 1)Rels 4)WaveofShadow 5)geript 5)ruXxar Here's would not lynch: 2)n00bKing 1)Kickstart 6)Oatsmaster HELP
Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case.
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On June 13 2015 07:06 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case. Wait, really? Just a few posts earlier, you were "wondering whether to cast between batsnacks or Sulfurus." Suddenly batsnacks drops so low in suspicion for you that you're asking him to help you by making a case against geript?
Um...where did I say I suspected batsnacks? I was always making a case against geript.
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On June 13 2015 07:21 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 07:06 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case. Wait, really? Just a few posts earlier, you were "wondering whether to cast between batsnacks or Sulfurus." Suddenly batsnacks drops so low in suspicion for you that you're asking him to help you by making a case against geript? Um...where did I say I suspected batsnacks? I was always making a case against geript. The part I put in quotation marks should have been sufficient to jog your memory. I don't think you want to make a habit of forcing people to go back and dig up YOUR posts so that you can remember what YOU said. The full post was: Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 05:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Either way, I'll doubt geript will be voted for this round. Right now I'm wondering whether to cast between batsnacks or Sulfurus. The thing is that Sulfurus has contributed little and some of his posts have been questionably empty. And then just a few posts later, you are asking batsnacks to help you out by making a case against either Sulfurus or geript (when geript, who you say is the one you were "always making a case against", was unmentioned in your earlier post).
Oh yeah, I did say that. It just seemed that no one was willing to pursue a case against geript at that moment, seeing how no one was talking about him and no one voted for him. Both batsnacks and Sulfurus looked fishy at that time too so I was willing to vote for either. Then WaveofShadows came along and helped the case I was making against geript which was why I went back to it. Either way, I still think geript, Sulfurus, and batsnacks look fishy in that order.
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On June 13 2015 07:31 batsnacks wrote:
Rels why do you keep putting me, moose and geript together? What even is the "moosy - geript - bats situation"???
No no no, let him make his case. Not only am I completely willing to vote for geript and for you if I have to, but you've halfheartedly attempted a case on me, and geript was the first one to point me out and he made some points against you. We're completely a team. ^.^
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On June 13 2015 07:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:28 Trfel wrote:
MoosyDoosy, any thoughts about my case on Rels? Would love to know that as well.
Rels, did you post while reading the thread or after you read everything?
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On June 13 2015 07:44 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 07:38 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 07:28 Trfel wrote:
MoosyDoosy, any thoughts about my case on Rels? Would love to know that as well. Rels, did you post while reading the thread or after you read everything? Why ? If you mean tonight, I read everything then I posted.
I'm talking about when you first came into the read. Did you post while reading stuff or posted after reading everything?
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On June 13 2015 07:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:44 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 07:38 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 07:28 Trfel wrote:
MoosyDoosy, any thoughts about my case on Rels? Would love to know that as well. Rels, did you post while reading the thread or after you read everything? Why ? If you mean tonight, I read everything then I posted. I'm talking about when you first came into the read. Did you post while reading stuff or posted after reading everything?
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On June 13 2015 07:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 07:44 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 07:38 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 07:28 Trfel wrote:
MoosyDoosy, any thoughts about my case on Rels? Would love to know that as well. Rels, did you post while reading the thread or after you read everything? Why ? If you mean tonight, I read everything then I posted. I'm talking about when you first came into the read. Did you post while reading stuff or posted after reading everything? I read and posted as I found interesting posts.
While the case Trfel seems interesting, I'm not going to vote for you quite yet. It's simple for someone to just notice suspicious stuff while reading which explains the filler before you found the post from Plants. The rest of what Trfel says is interesting tho, so I'd still count you around as a possible Mafia.
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On another note, @Trfel, do you think ruXx is a possible Mafia? o.O
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On June 13 2015 07:54 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 07:46 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 07:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 07:44 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 07:38 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 07:28 Trfel wrote:
MoosyDoosy, any thoughts about my case on Rels? Would love to know that as well. Rels, did you post while reading the thread or after you read everything? Why ? If you mean tonight, I read everything then I posted. I'm talking about when you first came into the read. Did you post while reading stuff or posted after reading everything? I read and posted as I found interesting posts. While the case Trfel seems interesting, I'm not going to vote for you quite yet. It's simple for someone to just notice suspicious stuff while reading which explains the filler before you found the post from Plants. The rest of what Trfel says is interesting tho, so I'd still count you around as a possible Mafia. Wishy Washy very naughty.
eh, not wishy washy. I initially thought that Rels was a townie and didn't suspect him. What Trfel says is very interesting and would be a very hard read on him but I don't feel it's concrete enough to vote for him right off the bat. It does raise some yellow flags around him tho.
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On June 13 2015 08:07 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 07:54 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 07:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
While the case Trfel seems interesting, I'm not going to vote for you quite yet. It's simple for someone to just notice suspicious stuff while reading which explains the filler before you found the post from Plants. The rest of what Trfel says is interesting tho, so I'd still count you around as a possible Mafia. Wishy Washy very naughty. eh, not wishy washy. I initially thought that Rels was a townie and didn't suspect him. What Trfel says is very interesting and would be a very hard read on him but I don't feel it's concrete enough to vote for him right off the bat. It does raise some yellow flags around him tho. This is STILL wishy-washy. Side note: I think the fact that Rels jumped right into the thread and started responding to posts in order (without reading the entire thread first) is slightly Town-indicative. I don't think it's a GOOD habit to have, but I don't think it's something a Mafia player would do. And I could tell that's what he had done even before he admitted that's what he had done.
Lol, if you think a slight change in opinion is wishy washy then I guess I can never change my opinion or stance in the future.
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^ As a note, it was not n00bking who first defended ruXxar as townie, it was me.
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On June 13 2015 08:25 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 08:07 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 07:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 07:54 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 07:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
While the case Trfel seems interesting, I'm not going to vote for you quite yet. It's simple for someone to just notice suspicious stuff while reading which explains the filler before you found the post from Plants. The rest of what Trfel says is interesting tho, so I'd still count you around as a possible Mafia. Wishy Washy very naughty. eh, not wishy washy. I initially thought that Rels was a townie and didn't suspect him. What Trfel says is very interesting and would be a very hard read on him but I don't feel it's concrete enough to vote for him right off the bat. It does raise some yellow flags around him tho. This is STILL wishy-washy. Side note: I think the fact that Rels jumped right into the thread and started responding to posts in order (without reading the entire thread first) is slightly Town-indicative. I don't think it's a GOOD habit to have, but I don't think it's something a Mafia player would do. And I could tell that's what he had done even before he admitted that's what he had done. Lol, if you think a slight change in opinion is wishy washy then I guess I can never change my opinion or stance in the future. No he is right for once. Your posts were wishy washy. You can un-wishy-wash them by pointing out what specifically is interesting about the case. Saying the case is interesting and that you could possibly, maybe, potentially, conditionally, vote Rels later but for now all you have are some vague yellow flags is wishy washy.
Got you.
Alright, I said this BEFORE n00bking as well, but I can read Rels as townie. Trfel's point that Rels' early posts were filler is false because Rels said he was making posts as he read. That makes that first post invalid.
Trfel's second point that Rels spotted Plants as an easy target is something that I can agree with. Plants' post seemed like something a newbie would make so Rels might have been trying to take advantage of it.
Trfel's third point is something that I disagree with. I'm pretty sure that ruXxar is an excited newbie unless he does something else really strange so I don't agree with the reasoning of the post.
So overall, sure it might be worth looking at Rels, but definitely not worth voting for this round.
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On June 13 2015 08:35 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Lol, if you think a slight change in opinion is wishy washy then I guess I can never change my opinion or stance in the future. I wouldn't mind if your opinion changes over the course of a Phase. But your position was changing over the course of ONE post. It's your fence-straddling that is unappealing to me. People want Town players to take a stand on issues, and try to avoid taking both sides.
I wasn't changing sides in one post, I was saying my opinion slightly changed.
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On June 13 2015 08:25 Rels wrote:Fuck I was making a case on you moosy but reading your filter a lot of my points are false. Like I was saying you kept repeating that you were newb. Actually it's not true. I still have two things left in my suspicion of you, so could you please comment on them. First pointYou don't take any stand. Not against me nor anyone else. More than that, a few hours ago, you discussed people you wanted to make a case on but you're still undecided. In particular what is this post: Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 05:44 Kickstart wrote:On June 13 2015 05:42 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 05:40 geript wrote:
~7 hours batty Okay I can't dick around anymore. Please help me not get lynched, I require written instructions for how to get people to unvote me. Push someone who you think is actually scum then???????? Just a though~ What do I do if I don't have any scum reads? In a sense almost no one has scum reads because I'm town and the only people pushing stuff are pushing me. Here's would lynch: 3)MoosyDoosy 4)Sulfurus 7)Fake)Plants 2)batsnacks 3)Trfel here's idk can't form opinion: 6)damdred 1)Rels 4)WaveofShadow 5)geript 5)ruXxar Here's would not lynch: 2)n00bKing 1)Kickstart 6)Oatsmaster HELP Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case. I hate that you are giving him targets on the basis of "you only need to convince two guys for those targets". Almost look like you want him to make a case, join him, and push the blame on him later. I also hate this sentence: "Sulfurus looks easiest is you want to make a case." Go make one yourself if you're so confident. Plus, you make this post to the guy voting you. Really, I liked your filter way than expected, but I hate this post. Second pointI find it weird that you say the following: newbie must be on mafia team, because otherwise they would have pushed on my first post. I find it weird that you felt the need to say it, against a super weak attack ("mafia should have pushed this post and didn't so moosy is mafia", more or less). Here are the posts I'm talking about: Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 11:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yo, also keep in mind a newbie might be Mafia which is why he's not jumping on my post. Seems like something Mafia should do from reading the guide. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 03:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 03:34 geript wrote:
Nah. It'd be pretty odd if there wasn't at least 1 veteran on the mafia team. I'm re-reading posts right now to make a list, but the veteran(s) had to be inactive at the start to not point it out. On the other hand, any newbie might be the Mafia.
First Point
The reason why I suggested Sulfurus and geript is because they had one vote apiece and had some points made against them. If batsnacks really wanted to make a case, he could make one off of either of them if he wanted to.
btw, the only stand and case I'm making and have been making is against geript. You might be right in that I'm being overly cautious in my vote and how I'm not making too many cases against others, but I figure it's better to be safe than make irrational judgments.
Also, let's get this straight. If you look at the voting thread, batsnacks is not voting for me and neither is geript. Just to let you know because you keep saying batsnacks and geript are voting against me.
Second Point
My reasoning was this:
From other people's reactions, it seems that it's common to have Mafias jump on vague posts to get a mislynch in. This will most likely be something that a veteran Mafia would do if he had the chance, but it seems that it was skipped over. My conclusion from this was that the veteran Mafia must have come to the thread late and missed his chance.
On the other hand, it's also likely that a newbie Mafia might have seen it but didn't try and mislynch me based on the post because he's a newbie. From this, my conclusion was that the newbie Mafia might have come to the thread early.
I just felt it was a good start for us to try and narrow some people down.
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On June 13 2015 08:52 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
^ As a note, it was not n00bking who first defended ruXxar as townie, it was me. I guess you can only be referring to this blurb here: Show nested quote +MoosyDoosy wrote: And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. If that's your idea of defending someone, then I guess you defend people with the same ferocity that you pressure them with! Planning on casting a vote this game?
On June 12 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
^ Also Kickstart, I wouldn't read too much into ruXx's initial post where he's rambling about slapping/daydreaming about Mafia. It might have been from an attempt to identify himself as a non-aggressor to the Mafia so that when night time comes around, they don't kill him. If the game went on for longer, people would also suspect ruXx more giving the Mafia an easy kill. This actually happens a ton in real life Mafia but it's clear it's totally different online at this point.
Also, going back to his post where he "misses the interaction" which is right after his rambling, it's pretty clear that ruXx is not paying attention whatsoever. As a newbie he was probably just as excited as I was about remaining passive which is why he didn't notice the err in his post. Just the fact that it seems he has no idea whatsoever about what he's saying during his rambling just shows this too.
I'll look through the rest of your points, but I'll try and provide a "newbie perspective." Either way, it looks like he wised up real fast and stopped being as frantic and energetic in his posts.
On June 12 2015 11:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yeah, the more I read of ruXx's initial posts, the more it seems he's thinking in terms of a real life Mafia game as well as tryharding a bit.
Him intercepting a question was him tryharding a basic read and him supporting lying is from a real life Mafia mindset since lying is much more common in real life.
The last two posts that you point out are kind of shady but even then they err on the side of newbie to online Mafia. Overall I wouldn't vote him just yet until we get more evidence.
^ I'm talking about this. You clearly haven't read the thread. And no, I don't intend to cast a vote. At this point it's becoming less and less because I'm wavering between two people and more and more just to irritate you.
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On June 13 2015 08:55 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 08:25 Rels wrote:Fuck I was making a case on you moosy but reading your filter a lot of my points are false. Like I was saying you kept repeating that you were newb. Actually it's not true. I still have two things left in my suspicion of you, so could you please comment on them. First pointYou don't take any stand. Not against me nor anyone else. More than that, a few hours ago, you discussed people you wanted to make a case on but you're still undecided. In particular what is this post: On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 05:44 Kickstart wrote:On June 13 2015 05:42 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 05:40 geript wrote:
~7 hours batty Okay I can't dick around anymore. Please help me not get lynched, I require written instructions for how to get people to unvote me. Push someone who you think is actually scum then???????? Just a though~ What do I do if I don't have any scum reads? In a sense almost no one has scum reads because I'm town and the only people pushing stuff are pushing me. Here's would lynch: 3)MoosyDoosy 4)Sulfurus 7)Fake)Plants 2)batsnacks 3)Trfel here's idk can't form opinion: 6)damdred 1)Rels 4)WaveofShadow 5)geript 5)ruXxar Here's would not lynch: 2)n00bKing 1)Kickstart 6)Oatsmaster HELP Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case. I hate that you are giving him targets on the basis of "you only need to convince two guys for those targets". Almost look like you want him to make a case, join him, and push the blame on him later. I also hate this sentence: "Sulfurus looks easiest is you want to make a case." Go make one yourself if you're so confident. Plus, you make this post to the guy voting you. Really, I liked your filter way than expected, but I hate this post. Second pointI find it weird that you say the following: newbie must be on mafia team, because otherwise they would have pushed on my first post. I find it weird that you felt the need to say it, against a super weak attack ("mafia should have pushed this post and didn't so moosy is mafia", more or less). Here are the posts I'm talking about: On June 12 2015 11:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yo, also keep in mind a newbie might be Mafia which is why he's not jumping on my post. Seems like something Mafia should do from reading the guide. On June 13 2015 03:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 03:34 geript wrote:
Nah. It'd be pretty odd if there wasn't at least 1 veteran on the mafia team. I'm re-reading posts right now to make a list, but the veteran(s) had to be inactive at the start to not point it out. On the other hand, any newbie might be the Mafia. First Point The reason why I suggested Sulfurus and geript is because they had one vote apiece and had some points made against them. If batsnacks really wanted to make a case, he could make one off of either of them if he wanted to. btw, the only stand and case I'm making and have been making is against geript. You might be right in that I'm being overly cautious in my vote and how I'm not making too many cases against others, but I figure it's better to be safe than make irrational judgments. Also, let's get this straight. If you look at the voting thread, batsnacks is not voting for me and neither is geript. Just to let you know because you keep saying batsnacks and geript are voting against me. Second Point My reasoning was this: From other people's reactions, it seems that it's common to have Mafias jump on vague posts to get a mislynch in. This will most likely be something that a veteran Mafia would do if he had the chance, but it seems that it was skipped over. My conclusion from this was that the veteran Mafia must have come to the thread late and missed his chance. On the other hand, it's also likely that a newbie Mafia might have seen it but didn't try and mislynch me based on the post because he's a newbie. From this, my conclusion was that the newbie Mafia might have come to the thread early. I just felt it was a good start for us to try and narrow some people down. OK. Why did you feel the need to help batsnacks ? What was your motivation behind that ?
If he came up with a good argument, he might have been a townie and found the real Mafia. If he didn't come up with an argument and/or bandwagoned someone else, it would just make his case worse as Mafia.
In the end, the latter occurred.
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On June 13 2015 08:40 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 08:25 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 08:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 08:07 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 07:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 07:54 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 07:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
While the case Trfel seems interesting, I'm not going to vote for you quite yet. It's simple for someone to just notice suspicious stuff while reading which explains the filler before you found the post from Plants. The rest of what Trfel says is interesting tho, so I'd still count you around as a possible Mafia. Wishy Washy very naughty. eh, not wishy washy. I initially thought that Rels was a townie and didn't suspect him. What Trfel says is very interesting and would be a very hard read on him but I don't feel it's concrete enough to vote for him right off the bat. It does raise some yellow flags around him tho. This is STILL wishy-washy. Side note: I think the fact that Rels jumped right into the thread and started responding to posts in order (without reading the entire thread first) is slightly Town-indicative. I don't think it's a GOOD habit to have, but I don't think it's something a Mafia player would do. And I could tell that's what he had done even before he admitted that's what he had done. Lol, if you think a slight change in opinion is wishy washy then I guess I can never change my opinion or stance in the future. No he is right for once. Your posts were wishy washy. You can un-wishy-wash them by pointing out what specifically is interesting about the case. Saying the case is interesting and that you could possibly, maybe, potentially, conditionally, vote Rels later but for now all you have are some vague yellow flags is wishy washy. Got you. Alright, I said this BEFORE n00bking as well, but I can read Rels as townie. Trfel's point that Rels' early posts were filler is false because Rels said he was making posts as he read. That makes that first post invalid. Trfel's second point that Rels spotted Plants as an easy target is something that I can agree with. Plants' post seemed like something a newbie would make so Rels might have been trying to take advantage of it. Trfel's third point is something that I disagree with. I'm pretty sure that ruXxar is an excited newbie unless he does something else really strange so I don't agree with the reasoning of the post. So overall, sure it might be worth looking at Rels, but definitely not worth voting for this round. Wait... what? 1. Of course Rels says he was making posts as he read. The fact is that we have no way to verify this, and that there is no good town motivation to do this. 2. I could understand if Rels had a scumread on ruXxar. I could understand if Rels had a townread on ruXxar. I could understand if Rels had a null read on ruXxar. I find it hard to see how Rels was unsure about ruXxar, and then ruXxar made a content-less post that showed that he can't defend himself, and then decided to townread him solidly. Also, why did you change your mind so quickly from this post: Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 07:46 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 07:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 07:44 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 07:38 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 07:28 Trfel wrote:
MoosyDoosy, any thoughts about my case on Rels? Would love to know that as well. Rels, did you post while reading the thread or after you read everything? Why ? If you mean tonight, I read everything then I posted. I'm talking about when you first came into the read. Did you post while reading stuff or posted after reading everything? I read and posted as I found interesting posts. While the case Trfel seems interesting, I'm not going to vote for you quite yet. It's simple for someone to just notice suspicious stuff while reading which explains the filler before you found the post from Plants. The rest of what Trfel says is interesting tho, so I'd still count you around as a possible Mafia. Where you seem to feel that my case is fairly good, just that you weren't quite convinced enough to vote for Rels yet?
1. I tried to ask him as discreetly as possible about whether or not he posted while he read. Urgh, I can't place a judgment on him yet but I'd like to take his word at face value.
2. I'd first like to discuss why exactly you think ruXxar is Mafia. All of his posts so far indicate he's an excited newbie and ruXxar really is the basis of your argument.
3. I thought they were the same? I'm saying you might have a good case which is why I'll keep Rels in mind but that I don't think he's exactly Mafia just yet.
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@Rels, any comments on my posts? Still confused why you don't think I'm townie.
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On June 13 2015 09:14 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 09:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:
@Rels, any comments on my posts? Still confused why you don't think I'm townie. OK sorry in advance, but in my mind it's actually pretty good where you're at. I was so sure you were mafia with your first post that me imagining you at null read is a pretty good deal. When I made this post with the two points I was thinking I was going to destroy you. I think I was clouded by my first impression of you. You won't ever be a town lean in my mind until you either make a case on someone and defend it, or sheep a case on someone and explain why. Not taking stances = I can't judge you 100%.
Unfortunately I'm trying to be careful with my vote so it looks like that won't happen anytime soon. -.- At least I'm glad to see you're finally starting to realize I'm a townie.
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On June 13 2015 09:22 Sulfurus wrote:@Moosy you probably missed it but n00b was defending ruXx as early as page 9
Oh great, we have the same line of reasoning. If he thinks I'm Mafia that means he is too right?
##vote n00bking
##vote MoosyDoosy
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On June 13 2015 09:23 Rels wrote:
And batsnacks, you have very few post worth reading with an enormous filter.
Though I have this feeling: that's weird that everybody is on you. Really, if you're mafia it means that scott, moosy or damdred almost have to be too.
But that doesn't matter atm. Make content and if someone is scummier than you I'll vote that person. That's it.
Reasoning for us three?
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On June 13 2015 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:K stuff I remember while reading earlier: Geript might not be scum. At the very least I give him more time. Especially since nobody seems to want to comment on what I've brought and those who have have been completely noncomittal. Givin' me the jibblies. ##unvote: GeriptTrfel's posting looked pretty good at first glance. Liked the stuff he picked up on Rels. I want to do a once-over just to see any surface similarities between here and the last game I played with him (I think I was scum in that one) and see if anything jumps out at me either meta- or otherwise. Sulf still looks like ass balls. Probably primary lynch for me right now. ##Vote: SulfurusShow nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't). Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels. Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx). So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game. ##Vote: Batsnacks Like what IS this? Reiteration of stuff I already said, townreading me for no explained reason, opportunistic bats vote after being completely noncomittal about it earlier, and also while possibly attempting to pocket noob? I dunno somebody mentioned that Sulfurus' meta is to post kinda shitty but I can honestly say I don't care about that here. Scummy posting is scummy. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:02 batsnacks wrote:
K well I have the longest filter now and anyone who thinks mafia batsnacks has the biggest filter d1 is a silly goose and I don't mind getting lynched by silly geese because they can't be reasoned with anyway. So I'm going to go play dwarf fortress. Hated this post because it reads as though batsnacks was simply aiming for this the entire time. Wouldn't vote him because of it but ugh city. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 08:07 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 07:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 07:54 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 07:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
While the case Trfel seems interesting, I'm not going to vote for you quite yet. It's simple for someone to just notice suspicious stuff while reading which explains the filler before you found the post from Plants. The rest of what Trfel says is interesting tho, so I'd still count you around as a possible Mafia. Wishy Washy very naughty. eh, not wishy washy. I initially thought that Rels was a townie and didn't suspect him. What Trfel says is very interesting and would be a very hard read on him but I don't feel it's concrete enough to vote for him right off the bat. It does raise some yellow flags around him tho. This is STILL wishy-washy. Side note: I think the fact that Rels jumped right into the thread and started responding to posts in order (without reading the entire thread first) is slightly Town-indicative. I don't think it's a GOOD habit to have, but I don't think it's something a Mafia player would do. And I could tell that's what he had done even before he admitted that's what he had done. Lol, if you think a slight change in opinion is wishy washy then I guess I can never change my opinion or stance in the future. Yuuuppppp Loving Moosy for this really. For the record I believe 'wishy-washy' on its own is a horrible scumtell. It's completely circumstantial and Moosy's play is pretty consistent although his continued attempts to purposefully draw attention to how inexperienced he is is starting to annoy me. We get it Moose, you're new. Just play the game now. The pressure batsnacks is under brought Rels to the surface. I don't know if anything more needs to be said on him consider how opportunistic his vote was even after pressure seemed to be dying down a little, but now he looks like scum who got caught with his pants slightly down and is being forced to stick to his guns while at the same time looking for a way to get off a possible town wagon. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 09:23 Rels wrote:
And batsnacks, you have very few post worth reading with an enormous filter.
Though I have this feeling: that's weird that everybody is on you. Really, if you're mafia it means that scott, moosy or damdred almost have to be too.
But that doesn't matter atm. Make content and if someone is scummier than you I'll vote that person. That's it. That is a godawful post ladies and gents. Keep an eye on this one. Finally, Scott I want to know who your top lynch is.
^ Basically this post. Sulfurus has been strange from the start. Although this may be how he posts, I don't see how he can change opinions so often and not have a clear stance.
Also, I only bring up the fact that I'm new because people keep on bringing up that ridiculous first post of mine. I understand it was silly of me and I've learned because of it but I seem to have to explain every time someone brings up that quote like it's groundbreaking or something.
On Rels, I've asked him about why he suspects us 3 so I'm looking for a REALLY good answer because that observation's even worse than trying to put me, batsnacks, and geript together.
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Why are you guys still going after batsnacks. Sure he was a shitty player at the start, but he's clearly a town player at this point. Unless you hold a grudge against him for his terrible start, I don't see why you would go after him.
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On June 14 2015 03:37 Damdred wrote:
Who should we lynch today moos
Sulfurus. batsnacks is not Mafia. He's been playing a shitty game as he says and he deserves to die for doing so, but he's a townie no matter how I look at it. I'd prefer to vote for geript as he's acting strange as well, but the priority should be to keep a townie alive.
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On June 14 2015 03:50 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 18:17 ruXxar wrote:
I disagree.
There are 3 Mafia and 2 town roles.
I believe that reducing kill power from 2 to 1 is the single most important factor in us winning the game.
This would buy us so much time that we should have overwhelming odds of winning.
The chance of targeting Carl is very low.
I'm ok with taking the odds of a power role checking Carl if it means we increase our chances of killing mafia. Does knowing that there is only 1 mafia attack each Night change your position? Also, where are you getting that there are "2 town roles?" I see absolutely nothing that would indicate there are 8 VTs and 2 non-Vanilla Town roles, if that is what you are saying.
Sorry for this newbie question which I should have asked earlier but which slipped my mind because I had to do something else. What's a Carl?
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On June 14 2015 04:03 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 18:29 ruXxar wrote:On June 13 2015 18:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Btw I'm pretty sure there's only one kp.
can we get confirmation on whether there is 2 or 1 kp? Please try not to get mod-killed. The rules very clearly state that you are not allowed to make a post like that:
Actually, Onegu said that we could ask in green right afterwards. But, ya know, mod is clear Mafia for contradiction right?
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On June 14 2015 04:03 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 03:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 03:37 Damdred wrote:
Who should we lynch today moos Sulfurus. batsnacks is not Mafia. He's been playing a shitty game as he says and he deserves to die for doing so, but he's a townie no matter how I look at it. I'd prefer to vote for geript as he's acting strange as well, but the priority should be to keep a townie alive. So he deserves to die for,playing shirts not that he's scum? that's interesting
I mean, when you sign up for something, it should be a commitment right? For him to start off the game making shitty posts, saying he's going to play shitty, and then saying he's going to go play Dwarf Fortress like it was his goal from the start is just annoying. ^.^ But he's still a townie and I feel like torturing him by making him stay for longer in the round.
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On June 14 2015 04:12 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:03 Damdred wrote:On June 14 2015 03:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 03:37 Damdred wrote:
Who should we lynch today moos Sulfurus. batsnacks is not Mafia. He's been playing a shitty game as he says and he deserves to die for doing so, but he's a townie no matter how I look at it. I'd prefer to vote for geript as he's acting strange as well, but the priority should be to keep a townie alive. So he deserves to die for,playing shirts not that he's scum? that's interesting I think,I misunderstood your post is it about sulf or bat
batsnacks
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On June 14 2015 04:14 Trfel wrote:
Ugh, I just don't quite feel right about lynching geript or Damdred. They're both incredible players, and it's the weekend, so it's unfair to expect normal activity levels from them.
##vote Rels
What about Sulfurus and batsnacks? Thoughts?
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On June 14 2015 04:24 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 14 2015 04:14 Trfel wrote:
Ugh, I just don't quite feel right about lynching geript or Damdred. They're both incredible players, and it's the weekend, so it's unfair to expect normal activity levels from them.
##vote Rels You were voting for bats right? What does you switching to rels have anything to do with damdred or geript? And you'd be lynching them only for activity if you did and not for any other reason despite people already mentioning all sorts o fthings (about geript mainly) I have several reasons to suspect them, some of which haven't been mentioned yet, but I'm not quite ready to share them. I don't want to interfere at this time, as doing so would invalidate my read.Rels is primarily scummy for the reasons I mentioned earlier. However, the fact that he's still caught up on Fake)Plants' opening post despite saying that scott31337's posting seemed somewhat towny is really suspect to me. Immediately jumping on geript's unvoiced suspicion (despite scumreading geript) feels rather opportunistic.
Woah, Trfel, I would say it's especially important to share your thoughts if they do invalidate your reads. Otherwise we might all be bandwagoning on someone that's a fellow townie or someone who we didn't suspect was actually Mafia.
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On June 14 2015 04:32 Trfel wrote:Rels on Fake)Plants/scott31337Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:36 Rels wrote:
I was sure 100% he was mafia. Now that he got replaced that has changed. (referring to Fake)Plants) Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:40 Rels wrote:
Alright scott I don't see your posts as scummy. Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 01:27 Rels wrote:On June 14 2015 00:58 geript wrote:
It was a good reason tho. I remember thinking that. Yo geript. If you ever remember that reason I'll be super interested, as I hated plants' only post. I don't understand this at all. He basically says that he has no reason to scumread scott31337 any more, but doesn't townread him in his list post. And then, when geript ( who he was voting for at this time) mentions a reason that he moved scott31337 to null (but says that he doesn't remember the reason), Rels is extremely interested and justifies this by referring back to his initial read on Fake)Plants. The read he already said has changed. He's just jumping on something that's there, and it's hard for me to see him really trying to figure out scott31337's alignment.
Can people let Rels reply to this and NO ONE DEFEND him? Depending on his response, this might be the nail in the coffin.
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^ Just trying to draw attention to my above post. This is very important. We have to see Rels' response to this. Dis gun be gud.
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On June 14 2015 04:42 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 04:32 Trfel wrote:Rels on Fake)Plants/scott31337On June 13 2015 07:36 Rels wrote:
I was sure 100% he was mafia. Now that he got replaced that has changed. (referring to Fake)Plants) On June 13 2015 08:40 Rels wrote:
Alright scott I don't see your posts as scummy. On June 13 2015 09:07 Rels wrote:
Null
moosy
Damdred
scott On June 14 2015 01:27 Rels wrote:On June 14 2015 00:58 geript wrote:
It was a good reason tho. I remember thinking that. Yo geript. If you ever remember that reason I'll be super interested, as I hated plants' only post. I don't understand this at all. He basically says that he has no reason to scumread scott31337 any more, but doesn't townread him in his list post. And then, when geript ( who he was voting for at this time) mentions a reason that he moved scott31337 to null (but says that he doesn't remember the reason), Rels is extremely interested and justifies this by referring back to his initial read on Fake)Plants. The read he already said has changed. He's just jumping on something that's there, and it's hard for me to see him really trying to figure out scott31337's alignment. Can people let Rels reply to this and NO ONE DEFEND him? Depending on his response, this might be the nail in the coffin. Contrary to popular belief, cases on people aren't for those people to respond to to decide whether we lynch them or not. Cases are to convince the rest of town to lynch that person. Absolutely anyone can explain their way out of anything if given the chance.
Yeah I got that by now, but it's a super good time to get a read on his defense. And it will be spoiled if someone else replies and influences how he defends himself.
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On June 14 2015 04:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:47 Damdred wrote:
Imo lynch rels trfel has made several excellent posts that really show someone being crummy. I think it's a good case I'm tempted to sheep myself but I personally think Sulf is worse here. He keeps showing up, posting something once of no consequence and fucking off again. Why exactly do you think Rels is a better lynch?
My plan was to kill the most obvious Mafia (Sulfurus), then depending on Rels' defense, lynch him the next day.
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Sulfurus is set to be lynched not batsnacks. ^
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On June 14 2015 05:10 Sulfurus wrote:
Also don't feel bad if I don't answer your questions. I just don't feel like defending myself since I honestly feel my play is townie enough to speak for itself and I would rather find mafia for you guys to lynch afterwards.
In that case help us. Give arguments for why Trfel or anyone else you suspect is Mafia.
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@scot31337, bold ur vote in voting thread. Repost it so that u avoid edit.
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^ Alright batsnacks, reasoning?
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On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs.
We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip.
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batsnacks I understand your trap. ^.^ Just saying we'll see how right it is after we get him. If me, you, and WaveofShadow are right about getrip and Trfel is right about Rels, that's two of the Mafias.
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On June 14 2015 05:51 n00bKing wrote:
The last couple of hours are such a disappointment. Had 6 votes on one player and 5 on another. Now there are 4 different players with at least 3 votes on them, none of which have more than a 1-vote lead on any other. Who wants to post a trainwreck pic?
Do you seriously not think geript is Mafia at this point?
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I think the better thing to discuss in terms of roles now that we're all voting for geript is finding who the doctors should save for night time.
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On June 14 2015 06:03 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 06:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I think the better thing to discuss in terms of roles now that we're all voting for geript is finding who the doctors should save for night time. We should definitely not talk about this. Let the blue roles decide how to use their abilities. Talking about it openly only gives scum more information, which can be extremely valuable.
Oh true, didn't think about that. What about the cop tho? Shouldn't we talk about who he should investigate during night time?
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On June 14 2015 06:06 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. How is any of that supposed to be difficult to explain? Geript has at times thought Sulfurus looked scummy. And he has at times thought Rels looked scummy. Most recently, his vote has been on Rels, so that is presumably his top scum read. You ask geript why Sulfurus would defend Rels if Sulfurus were scum. geript at this point participates in a discussion that PRE-ASSUMES Sulfurus is scum. And he hypothesizes that Sulfurus could be defending a Town player poorly. This would require him to be wrong about Rels being scum. I see nothing wrong with geript acknowledging the possibility that he could be wrong about Rels being scum, and answering a hypothetical question about why Sulfurus would act as he has if HE were scum. This is almost as hollow as the reasoning Trfel used against Rels. Not quite as hollow. But almost.
That's a lot of assumptions about what geript is thinking which he can only explain. His initial reaction afterwards leads us to believe it was a slip on his part and that the above wasn't what he was thinking. He said it was one of his dumbest posts ever which leads us to believe that he did still think that Rels + Sulfurus was scum at that moment and he contradicted himself there. So getrip kinda just killed your argument there by himself.
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On June 14 2015 06:10 geript wrote:
Hey batsnacks. Since you're so concerned with teaching noobs, I'll teach you something you should've learned by now. "Scumslips" that are caught never are.
Lynch Rels or Sulf next
That was the plan. Which one would you prefer?
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On June 14 2015 06:13 geript wrote:
Oh and BTW. Vigilante. Shoot Batsnacks tonight. You'll realize why once I flip. In the least, you should to it to raise the overall intelligence level.
Like I'm literally done playing mafia here. It's fucking stupid. Every time I role mafia, people have no clue how to read me and I wreck face. Every time I role town the stupids think something I've said actually makes me mafia. It gets more fucking ridiculous each and every time.
Maybe because you put more effort into it when you're Mafia? I don't now, from the start it seemed you had a idgaf attitude which just got progressively worse where you contributed little or nothing and then to this contradiction. If you actually were a townie (which I highly doubt btw) I would recommend you actually put effort into finding the Mafia.
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On June 14 2015 06:16 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 06:13 geript wrote:
Oh and BTW. Vigilante. Shoot Batsnacks tonight. You'll realize why once I flip. In the least, you should to it to raise the overall intelligence level.
Like I'm literally done playing mafia here. It's fucking stupid. Every time I role mafia, people have no clue how to read me and I wreck face. Every time I role town the stupids think something I've said actually makes me mafia. It gets more fucking ridiculous each and every time. If you are town with a role you should claim it now if you want to make a defense.
Even if he is a townie, it shows he wasn't a role with this post. He clearly wasn't vigilante and I doubt that he was doctor.
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eh, geript is letting things slip more and more.
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Wait, guys I'm actually confused. getrip was voting for Sulf but switched to Rels once Trfel made his post. It seems he was suspecting both at some point. It's unfortunate that they're both the most suspicious people as well and our strongest cases for Mafia. I am so confused.
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On June 14 2015 07:37 Damdred wrote:
Also day post is at 18:06 for,me and it's 18:36 now Sooo it's right just sucks.
Anyway, who do you think is town/scum
Lol, I don't think anything is certain after this. getrip was fine with suspecting both Sulfurus and Rels when necessary and he even voted for both at some point. Not only that, but both Sulfurus AND Rels were two of our top suspects as Mafia. I can't shake off the feeling that getrip just really screwed up by accident and we were jumping on it for no reason.
Either way, I think that everyone should look over everything again.
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On June 14 2015 08:11 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 07:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 07:37 Damdred wrote:
Also day post is at 18:06 for,me and it's 18:36 now Sooo it's right just sucks.
Anyway, who do you think is town/scum Lol, I don't think anything is certain after this. getrip was fine with suspecting both Sulfurus and Rels when necessary and he even voted for both at some point. Not only that, but both Sulfurus AND Rels were two of our top suspects as Mafia. I can't shake off the feeling that getrip just really screwed up by accident and we were jumping on it for no reason. Kinda going pretty far out of your way to ignore the fact that geript said the Vigilante should KILL BATSNACKS tonight, aren't you?
I don't see that post and mine have any relation?
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Oh damn, my bad. Did not see that the ID of the player was revealed when they were lynched. Lol, I'm blind af.
Disregard all I said folks. That means we should still go back to the drawing board but I think either Sulfurus / Rels is Mafia.
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^ I actually like this post. Good thoughts n00bKing.
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On June 14 2015 09:09 n00bKing wrote:
The point of all this is that Moosy's post is bad. Even he has now asked everyone to please disregard it. Hopefully other people will get it, even if WaveofShadow does not.
If you re-read my post with the mindset that we didn't know what geript was then you would understand why I made it. I honestly did not see that line until your post which said that geript was a townie. That made me look back and I finally saw it. -.- Again, my bad.
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On June 14 2015 09:13 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 09:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 09:09 n00bKing wrote:
The point of all this is that Moosy's post is bad. Even he has now asked everyone to please disregard it. Hopefully other people will get it, even if WaveofShadow does not. If you re-read my post with the mindset that we didn't know what geript was then you would understand why I made it. I honestly did not see that line until your post which said that geript was a townie. That made me look back and I finally saw it. -.- Again, my bad. Wait you didn't realize Geript flipped? Moosy I absolutely love you. You're the cutest. + Show Spoiler +(If you are scum I will hate you for all eternity)
yeh, sorry to pull the newb card again and for not reading properly. I feel like a fool. :\
+ Show Spoiler +bb, don't worry you'll love me
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On June 14 2015 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Let's get moosy tmr
Let me guess. I fell for n00bKing's trap -> revealed I'm Mafia -> fact I'm agreeing with n00bking afterwards is desperate attempt to cover it up -> continuously pulling newb card -> lynch him?
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On June 14 2015 09:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:Let me guess. I fell for n00bKing's trap -> revealed I'm Mafia -> fact I'm agreeing with n00bking afterwards is desperate attempt to cover it up -> continuously pulling newb card -> lynch him?
^ Actually what I just wrote against myself sounds pretty convincing. Wouldn't even be mad if people voted against me. If you guys want, I can defend myself tho.
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On June 14 2015 09:33 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 09:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 14 2015 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Let's get moosy tmr Thoughts on the flip Oats? You swapped pretty handily onto geript without any exposition whatsoever after going ham on batsnacks forever. I thought bats looked town.
What exactly convinced you that batsnacks wasn't scum?
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^ I wouldn't pay much attention to when Oatsmaster just says that we should kill someone. I feel like when he says that without any evidence, it's an attempt to force a reaction. He's been doing it throughout the game.
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On June 14 2015 21:52 ruXxar wrote:So first off. I'm very disappointed that the night actually started 1 hour earlier than expected. It didn't give me enough time to analyze batsnacks accusation even though it made sense when he posted it. I can't tell you his reasons for doing so, but it felt like such an improvised and irregular post that I don't know what to make of it. All game I had him as scum, and suddenly he makes this one move which totally breaks with his character so far. I can't help but feel like i've been fooled. I want to say that I should've stuck to my gut feeling and not be swayed so easily. If I disregard that one action of his, then batsnacks is still my top scumread. After reading all the filters again I also get a bad vibe off moosy. I had you as a town read early on since you so accurately read me with the IRL mafia association and came from the point of view as a newbie, but somehow I feel like that has blinded me from looking at the overarching lines of your play. -Pulls the noob card a lot, too much imo. I can't excuse that you thought there were only 2 mafia in the game, nor that you missed that geript flipped. Missing that geript flipped as town has nothing to do with being a newb, but seems to me that you're trying to ride that excuse for a lot of things. -Indecisive, passive play, says he wants to be careful with his vote. A lot of his comments are just very superficial questions which he backs off very easily. Almost like he's trying to pretend like he's helping but not really. He makes it seem like he's contributing by asking players their opinions, but makes no hard accusations of his own. The only time he follows an accusation is when other people already started a wagon. Wants other people to make a case for him: Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case. Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:51 n00bKing wrote:
The last couple of hours are such a disappointment. Had 6 votes on one player and 5 on another. Now there are 4 different players with at least 3 votes on them, none of which have more than a 1-vote lead on any other. Who wants to post a trainwreck pic? Do you seriously not think geript is Mafia at this point? Trying to misrepresent what geript actually said(he said that the post about his slip was dumb, not the post he himself made was dumb). Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 06:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 06:06 n00bKing wrote:On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. How is any of that supposed to be difficult to explain? Geript has at times thought Sulfurus looked scummy. And he has at times thought Rels looked scummy. Most recently, his vote has been on Rels, so that is presumably his top scum read. You ask geript why Sulfurus would defend Rels if Sulfurus were scum. geript at this point participates in a discussion that PRE-ASSUMES Sulfurus is scum. And he hypothesizes that Sulfurus could be defending a Town player poorly. This would require him to be wrong about Rels being scum. I see nothing wrong with geript acknowledging the possibility that he could be wrong about Rels being scum, and answering a hypothetical question about why Sulfurus would act as he has if HE were scum. This is almost as hollow as the reasoning Trfel used against Rels. Not quite as hollow. But almost. That's a lot of assumptions about what geript is thinking which he can only explain. His initial reaction afterwards leads us to believe it was a slip on his part and that the above wasn't what he was thinking. He said it was one of his dumbest posts ever which leads us to believe that he did still think that Rels + Sulfurus was scum at that moment and he contradicted himself there. So getrip kinda just killed your argument there by himself. Then he posts this gem: Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 06:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I think the better thing to discuss in terms of roles now that we're all voting for geript is finding who the doctors should save for night time. I'm trying to imagine a world where moosy and bat are mafia together. It seems possible. There's more points to be made about moosy which some people have already made, including n00bking and rels. For now Moosy is climbing up as my #2 scum after bat.
Alright ruXxar, let's dance this dance of death.
1. Pulling the noob card
I mean, what can I say? This is completely my fault for not reading things correctly and I realize it more than anyone else. However, if you look at the posts I make cluelessly, you can see that I'm still genuinely attempting to help.
- When I bring up the possibility of 2 Mafia, I'm trying to expand our thought process in case there is more than 1 Mafia. After all, it's a terrible idea to have a confined mindset. Also, a nitpick with this point of yours. If you say that me suggesting there's 2 Mafia is "inexcusable" that's more of an accusation of bad play and not scum-oriented behavior.
- geript flipped as town. Okay, try and follow me here. IF we didn't know that geript was flipped, then my thought process was clear here. IF geript was a Mafia, then his two suspects in Sulfurus and Rels can't be Mafia as well unless he was busing them. Which was unfortunate because Sulfurus and Rels were also our top suspects for Mafia. IF geript was a townie which seems more likely due to the above scenario, we screwed up big time. That's what my thought process was but it turns out geript flipped which means we screwed up.
- Also, I do try and read stuff but some of it just doesn't end up in my brain. If you recall ruXxar, I did point out that we can ask questions in green text which at least displays some reading comprehension. You might want to point that out to show that I haven't completely been pulling out the noob card in every sentence I use.
2. Indecisive, passive play
- Your example where I'm suggesting either Sulfurus or geript to batsnacks is a terrible one. I believe I said it somewhere else before, but it was an attempt for me to set bait. If batsnacks does try to defend himself with either of my suggestions or just makes a good case in general, that means he's town. If he doesn't try, he's scum. In the end, I'd still say I think he's town because he's genuinely been trying to defend himself and used geript as a way out.
- Also, expand more on this if you're going to make it a point. You can't just nitpick things like you did with point #1 too. If we're talking about indecisiveness, cover how I don't really want to place a vote, I come into the thread passive, and I'm generally terrible at pressuring people. If you count all these things in, I'm pretty sure anyone can see that I have a passive playstyle. If you hate my playstyle, sure go for it and make a case off of my passivity, but don't nitpick stuff just to support your own argument.
- Also, I won't answer your other quotes because those are totally irrelevant when looked at in context.
3. Asking about pr roles
- Hm...I can see why you think a Mafia would post that. But don't worry, there was a reason behind that post. If you still want to pressure me on this, feel free to do so as I can't adequately defend myself on this one unless I wish to ruin the game.
Overall? Stop nitpicking stuff bro. Your argument was decent, but your evidence was weak. If you're going to try and kill a townie, you should work harder.
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On June 15 2015 00:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not sure what to make of ruxxar targeting moosy btw.
The effort put in is decent enough but it's moosy and he's extremely obvtown by this point
eh, I did make a few mistakes in posting like getrip. Although most of my mistakes were from sheer stupidity like not reading.
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On June 15 2015 00:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
Moosy quick spot of advice. Don't apologize for things, and don't make excuses. Just play and don't be concerned with how you look to others.
I can maybe talk for a little if you're around. Where do you think we go tomorrow?
Do you agree with noobs various analyses?
If you had to guess a scum team right now, who would it be?
All some things to consider/talk about.
The only thing I'm sure about are townies which I've made a list of:
WaveofShadow
Trfel
n00bking
Oatsmaster
batsnacks
Everyone else deserves another look imo, but these are solidly town which I'm sure everyone can agree with.
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On June 15 2015 00:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
In theory I agree but I also have a hard time believing we've caught everyone already purely due to paranoia.
Which is why everyone else is in the middle. Damdred, scott31337, and ruXxar give slight town reads but I've counted them out of the core of townies. I'm still suspicious of Kickstart because he literally disappeared and Sulfurus + Rels are still really suspicious. Moreso Rels because he hasn't appeared and answered any of the questions we have. I'm still waiting to hear his defense is on the points that Trfel made.
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On June 15 2015 01:08 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 01:00 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 15 2015 00:56 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:55 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:53 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 21:52 ruXxar wrote:So first off. I'm very disappointed that the night actually started 1 hour earlier than expected. It didn't give me enough time to analyze batsnacks accusation even though it made sense when he posted it. I can't tell you his reasons for doing so, but it felt like such an improvised and irregular post that I don't know what to make of it. All game I had him as scum, and suddenly he makes this one move which totally breaks with his character so far. I can't help but feel like i've been fooled. I want to say that I should've stuck to my gut feeling and not be swayed so easily. If I disregard that one action of his, then batsnacks is still my top scumread. After reading all the filters again I also get a bad vibe off moosy. I had you as a town read early on since you so accurately read me with the IRL mafia association and came from the point of view as a newbie, but somehow I feel like that has blinded me from looking at the overarching lines of your play. -Pulls the noob card a lot, too much imo. I can't excuse that you thought there were only 2 mafia in the game, nor that you missed that geript flipped. Missing that geript flipped as town has nothing to do with being a newb, but seems to me that you're trying to ride that excuse for a lot of things. -Indecisive, passive play, says he wants to be careful with his vote. A lot of his comments are just very superficial questions which he backs off very easily. Almost like he's trying to pretend like he's helping but not really. He makes it seem like he's contributing by asking players their opinions, but makes no hard accusations of his own. The only time he follows an accusation is when other people already started a wagon. Wants other people to make a case for him: On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case. On June 14 2015 05:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:51 n00bKing wrote:
The last couple of hours are such a disappointment. Had 6 votes on one player and 5 on another. Now there are 4 different players with at least 3 votes on them, none of which have more than a 1-vote lead on any other. Who wants to post a trainwreck pic? Do you seriously not think geript is Mafia at this point? Trying to misrepresent what geript actually said(he said that the post about his slip was dumb, not the post he himself made was dumb). On June 14 2015 06:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 06:06 n00bKing wrote:On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. How is any of that supposed to be difficult to explain? Geript has at times thought Sulfurus looked scummy. And he has at times thought Rels looked scummy. Most recently, his vote has been on Rels, so that is presumably his top scum read. You ask geript why Sulfurus would defend Rels if Sulfurus were scum. geript at this point participates in a discussion that PRE-ASSUMES Sulfurus is scum. And he hypothesizes that Sulfurus could be defending a Town player poorly. This would require him to be wrong about Rels being scum. I see nothing wrong with geript acknowledging the possibility that he could be wrong about Rels being scum, and answering a hypothetical question about why Sulfurus would act as he has if HE were scum. This is almost as hollow as the reasoning Trfel used against Rels. Not quite as hollow. But almost. That's a lot of assumptions about what geript is thinking which he can only explain. His initial reaction afterwards leads us to believe it was a slip on his part and that the above wasn't what he was thinking. He said it was one of his dumbest posts ever which leads us to believe that he did still think that Rels + Sulfurus was scum at that moment and he contradicted himself there. So getrip kinda just killed your argument there by himself. Then he posts this gem: On June 14 2015 06:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I think the better thing to discuss in terms of roles now that we're all voting for geript is finding who the doctors should save for night time. I'm trying to imagine a world where moosy and bat are mafia together. It seems possible. There's more points to be made about moosy which some people have already made, including n00bking and rels. For now Moosy is climbing up as my #2 scum after bat. Alright ruXxar, let's dance this dance of death. 1. Pulling the noob card I mean, what can I say? This is completely my fault for not reading things correctly and I realize it more than anyone else. However, if you look at the posts I make cluelessly, you can see that I'm still genuinely attempting to help. - When I bring up the possibility of 2 Mafia, I'm trying to expand our thought process in case there is more than 1 Mafia. After all, it's a terrible idea to have a confined mindset. Also, a nitpick with this point of yours. If you say that me suggesting there's 2 Mafia is "inexcusable" that's more of an accusation of bad play and not scum-oriented behavior. - geript flipped as town. Okay, try and follow me here. IF we didn't know that geript was flipped, then my thought process was clear here. IF geript was a Mafia, then his two suspects in Sulfurus and Rels can't be Mafia as well unless he was busing them. Which was unfortunate because Sulfurus and Rels were also our top suspects for Mafia. IF geript was a townie which seems more likely due to the above scenario, we screwed up big time. That's what my thought process was but it turns out geript flipped which means we screwed up. - Also, I do try and read stuff but some of it just doesn't end up in my brain. If you recall ruXxar, I did point out that we can ask questions in green text which at least displays some reading comprehension. You might want to point that out to show that I haven't completely been pulling out the noob card in every sentence I use. 2. Indecisive, passive play - Your example where I'm suggesting either Sulfurus or geript to batsnacks is a terrible one. I believe I said it somewhere else before, but it was an attempt for me to set bait. If batsnacks does try to defend himself with either of my suggestions or just makes a good case in general, that means he's town. If he doesn't try, he's scum. In the end, I'd still say I think he's town because he's genuinely been trying to defend himself and used geript as a way out. - Also, expand more on this if you're going to make it a point. You can't just nitpick things like you did with point #1 too. If we're talking about indecisiveness, cover how I don't really want to place a vote, I come into the thread passive, and I'm generally terrible at pressuring people. If you count all these things in, I'm pretty sure anyone can see that I have a passive playstyle. If you hate my playstyle, sure go for it and make a case off of my passivity, but don't nitpick stuff just to support your own argument. - Also, I won't answer your other quotes because those are totally irrelevant when looked at in context. 3. Asking about pr roles
- Hm...I can see why you think a Mafia would post that. But don't worry, there was a reason behind that post. If you still want to pressure me on this, feel free to do so as I can't adequately defend myself on this one unless I wish to ruin the game.
Overall? Stop nitpicking stuff bro. Your argument was decent, but your evidence was weak. If you're going to try and kill a townie, you should work harder. The bold part makes me think you have a power role... Actually, I don't just think so, it seems like very strong evidence for a power role. I'm curious if you actually are the medic. (PS : Don't tell us if you are) Then why in blue fuck would you actually discuss this? Just terrible. Fuck.. that was a terrible play by me. I'm retracting my scumread on mossy based on this new information.
ruXxar I put that post for a reason. I might be a town role. I might be a townie using it as leverage to keep me alive. I might be Mafia using it to keep myself alive. I might be trying to deceive you. That's not the main issue here, don't let that point blind you.
Look at the rest of my actions and judge based on those.
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ruXxar confirmed townie. Bait too good.
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On June 15 2015 01:27 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 01:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 01:08 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 01:00 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 15 2015 00:56 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:55 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:53 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 21:52 ruXxar wrote:So first off. I'm very disappointed that the night actually started 1 hour earlier than expected. It didn't give me enough time to analyze batsnacks accusation even though it made sense when he posted it. I can't tell you his reasons for doing so, but it felt like such an improvised and irregular post that I don't know what to make of it. All game I had him as scum, and suddenly he makes this one move which totally breaks with his character so far. I can't help but feel like i've been fooled. I want to say that I should've stuck to my gut feeling and not be swayed so easily. If I disregard that one action of his, then batsnacks is still my top scumread. After reading all the filters again I also get a bad vibe off moosy. I had you as a town read early on since you so accurately read me with the IRL mafia association and came from the point of view as a newbie, but somehow I feel like that has blinded me from looking at the overarching lines of your play. -Pulls the noob card a lot, too much imo. I can't excuse that you thought there were only 2 mafia in the game, nor that you missed that geript flipped. Missing that geript flipped as town has nothing to do with being a newb, but seems to me that you're trying to ride that excuse for a lot of things. -Indecisive, passive play, says he wants to be careful with his vote. A lot of his comments are just very superficial questions which he backs off very easily. Almost like he's trying to pretend like he's helping but not really. He makes it seem like he's contributing by asking players their opinions, but makes no hard accusations of his own. The only time he follows an accusation is when other people already started a wagon. Wants other people to make a case for him: On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case. On June 14 2015 05:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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Do you seriously not think geript is Mafia at this point? Trying to misrepresent what geript actually said(he said that the post about his slip was dumb, not the post he himself made was dumb). On June 14 2015 06:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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That's a lot of assumptions about what geript is thinking which he can only explain. His initial reaction afterwards leads us to believe it was a slip on his part and that the above wasn't what he was thinking. He said it was one of his dumbest posts ever which leads us to believe that he did still think that Rels + Sulfurus was scum at that moment and he contradicted himself there. So getrip kinda just killed your argument there by himself. Then he posts this gem: On June 14 2015 06:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I think the better thing to discuss in terms of roles now that we're all voting for geript is finding who the doctors should save for night time. I'm trying to imagine a world where moosy and bat are mafia together. It seems possible. There's more points to be made about moosy which some people have already made, including n00bking and rels. For now Moosy is climbing up as my #2 scum after bat. Alright ruXxar, let's dance this dance of death. 1. Pulling the noob card I mean, what can I say? This is completely my fault for not reading things correctly and I realize it more than anyone else. However, if you look at the posts I make cluelessly, you can see that I'm still genuinely attempting to help. - When I bring up the possibility of 2 Mafia, I'm trying to expand our thought process in case there is more than 1 Mafia. After all, it's a terrible idea to have a confined mindset. Also, a nitpick with this point of yours. If you say that me suggesting there's 2 Mafia is "inexcusable" that's more of an accusation of bad play and not scum-oriented behavior. - geript flipped as town. Okay, try and follow me here. IF we didn't know that geript was flipped, then my thought process was clear here. IF geript was a Mafia, then his two suspects in Sulfurus and Rels can't be Mafia as well unless he was busing them. Which was unfortunate because Sulfurus and Rels were also our top suspects for Mafia. IF geript was a townie which seems more likely due to the above scenario, we screwed up big time. That's what my thought process was but it turns out geript flipped which means we screwed up. - Also, I do try and read stuff but some of it just doesn't end up in my brain. If you recall ruXxar, I did point out that we can ask questions in green text which at least displays some reading comprehension. You might want to point that out to show that I haven't completely been pulling out the noob card in every sentence I use. 2. Indecisive, passive play - Your example where I'm suggesting either Sulfurus or geript to batsnacks is a terrible one. I believe I said it somewhere else before, but it was an attempt for me to set bait. If batsnacks does try to defend himself with either of my suggestions or just makes a good case in general, that means he's town. If he doesn't try, he's scum. In the end, I'd still say I think he's town because he's genuinely been trying to defend himself and used geript as a way out. - Also, expand more on this if you're going to make it a point. You can't just nitpick things like you did with point #1 too. If we're talking about indecisiveness, cover how I don't really want to place a vote, I come into the thread passive, and I'm generally terrible at pressuring people. If you count all these things in, I'm pretty sure anyone can see that I have a passive playstyle. If you hate my playstyle, sure go for it and make a case off of my passivity, but don't nitpick stuff just to support your own argument. - Also, I won't answer your other quotes because those are totally irrelevant when looked at in context. 3. Asking about pr roles
- Hm...I can see why you think a Mafia would post that. But don't worry, there was a reason behind that post. If you still want to pressure me on this, feel free to do so as I can't adequately defend myself on this one unless I wish to ruin the game.
Overall? Stop nitpicking stuff bro. Your argument was decent, but your evidence was weak. If you're going to try and kill a townie, you should work harder. The bold part makes me think you have a power role... Actually, I don't just think so, it seems like very strong evidence for a power role. I'm curious if you actually are the medic. (PS : Don't tell us if you are) Then why in blue fuck would you actually discuss this? Just terrible. Fuck.. that was a terrible play by me. I'm retracting my scumread on mossy based on this new information. ruXxar I put that post for a reason. I might be a town role. I might be a townie using it as leverage to keep me alive. I might be Mafia using it to keep myself alive. I might be trying to deceive you. That's not the main issue here, don't let that point blind you. Look at the rest of my actions and judge based on those. It was very enlightening for me to see you defend yourself so hard. I really liked the way you defended yourself with ferocity. I also believe in occams razor. I think that usually the scenario with the least amount of crazy assumptions is most likely to be correct. If you baited me with that piece of information, then good job, but I really liked your spirit in defending yourself, and seen in light of a newbie then it makes sense that you made some ramblings while under pressure. Keeping my townread on you for now.
^.^ I was hoping that someone would pick up on it and to get a solid read based on their reaction. Glad to see you're a townie with us ruXxar.
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Nah, ruXxar posted way too fast in quick succession for it to be planned on his part. He probably got the initial read, got excited and posted it. Then he realized that he shouldn't have posted it hence "but don't tell us". Right after WaveofShadow pointed out the mistake too, ruXxar posted immediately afterwards that he screwed up. Seems like a very genuine reaction to me.
Also, I doubt Mafia would point that out to people. He would rather continue to pressure me OR decide to quietly kill me based on that post believing it to be a slip on my part.
I thought I did pretty well with that bait. ^.^
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On June 15 2015 02:05 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 01:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Nah, ruXxar posted way too fast in quick succession for it to be planned on his part. Not really wanting to make a big deal of this discussion, but...what's easier than posting in quick succession if you've "planned it"? lol
You just doubt me too much bb. Don't worry, I know how ruXxar thinks.
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Nah, I think n00bKing's a townie. He's been decent at pressuring people although he's pretty bossy and gives way too much advice. Not to mention his posts are super wordy. Either way, I still think Rels/Sulfurus deserve another look. When Rels comes back, we should ask him to defend himself against Trfel's points. We should be able to get a read on the defense.
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On June 15 2015 03:59 Damdred wrote:
No I don't think so. Moosey just said he was town,and wanted him to elaborate and show why he thought it specifically
Alright brb after reading through 5 pages of lengthy posts from n00bking. T.T
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Okay, did a reading of n00bKing and I don't think he's Mafia.
Personality read: Likes to be in control, dislikes change, rather bossy. As can be evidenced in his posts lamenting changes in people's opinion, how he gives so much advice, and how he always tries and tell people what to do. I think his personality is what affects so much of his posting which is why most of it is convoluted and he feels the need to pursue even the trivial. Like really? Arguing with batsnacks over "advice"?
Town read: Very consistent. At the start, yes he floods the thread with advice, but when he starts pressuring people, he remains consistent. It seems that he suspected batsnacks, me, and Plants at the start for our behavior and strange post(s). As the game continues and even to this very point, he has been pressuring me and batsnacks and has remained consistent in doing so.
In fact, this may be his downfall more than most. While it seems that he agrees that Rels/Sulf exhibit suspicious behavior, he still seems intent on finding ways to bring me and batsnacks down per how he read us at the very start of the thread. As for other people's posts, he seems content to question a couple but mostly agree or add on to their posts.
Conclusion: n00bking's filter just shows consistency in what he's been doing. He gets caught in the trivial, he's bossy, and he gave a bit too much advice at the start, but he is definitely a townie that's trying to catch the Mafia.
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Okay, I started reading filters and I especially looked at Rels/Sulfurus as people have been implying. I REALLY think they're both Mafia.
Rels first comes into the thread and directs all attention to the passive posts from both me and Fake)Plants.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:OK I finally found a mafia. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 14:01 Fake)Plants wrote:Lying is a powerful tool that when used in the right situation can greatly benefit one's interests. I really don't like this idea from ruX. If town lies and gets lynched then what information did that townie provide? Are you trying to lure out mafia by lying? Mafia has more information at the beginning and can utilize lying better than town, especially if it comes from a townie. Sorry for being late to the thread, I did not check TL the last couple of days after I thought someone else beat me to a newbie slot. Good to be here! First post of his. Next to last to enter the thread. Just fluff on the first paragraph. What is really scum is the second paragraph. Two points: - He enter the thread late and feels he needs to post an excuse. To me, he had the mindset of entering the thread without saying anything, and apologizing so people like him. - His excuse is false. We all had to confirm yesterday, so that's not possible that he did not check TL the last couple of days, or that he believed that someone else took his spot.
Then he tries to switch the case onto me-geript-batsnacks which is the next best scapegoat from a newbie who only posted once and never again. Not only that, but notice how he attempts to bring this under the light while trying to cover for Sulfurus who is beginning to become suspected.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 07:29 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:22 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2015 07:19 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:Rels1. Lots of early posts with no content, only purpose is to make it seem like he's doing stuff + Show Spoiler +1. Completely useless "hi" post ~10 hours after the game started, not necessary at all. 2. "LOL" in response to ruXxar's contradiction, no conclusion about his alignment at all* 3. Asks a question to ruXxar (still nothing about ruXxar's alignment) 4. Says that MoosyDoosy's first post is weird* 5. Tells n00bKing not to defend ruXxar* 6. Asks a question to Sulfurus* 7. Repeats one of Oatsmaster's comments* The things with asterisks had been said by someone else before Rels commented on them. Then he (finally) posts his case on Fake)Plants. On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
OK I finally found a mafia. And by doing this shows that all of his previous posts amount to very little. There's really no reason for Rels to post like this, it serves no purpose for scumhunting or confirming his own alignment. All it does is make it look like he's doing work, but repeating things that have already been said isn't even work. 2. Makes a case on the easiest possible target + Show Spoiler +Fake)Plants only had one post.
Rels just continues to talk about this post, spending many, many posts directing people back to it. He's not showing any interest in anything else that's happening. 3. Townread on ruXxar + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.
So. What do you think of plants first and only post ? Rels thinks that ruXxar is town for making a post with no content at all. RuXxar made a post saying that MoosyDoosy's defense of himself is really good, and then Rels townreads ruXxar for this. RuXxar's inability to defend himself but willingness to jump on someone else's defense of him is extremely scummy, and reminds me of ShoCkeyy in my last game. There is absolutely no reason for Rels to townread ruXxar because of this post. Furthermore, he agrees that we shouldn't let the mafia stay silent. And he does this by asking his townread about the only other read he's made in this game, and then vanishing. Not actually acting on this whatsoever. Oh hey good timing. I really disagree on the easy target. I have no idea who is mafia between geript bat and moosy, if any. On the other hand the entrance post of plants was and still is super bad. And I don't care for IRL wifom, a lie is a lie. So it sounds like you have been thru the thread. Any other thoughts? I have strong town reads on wos and KS. I have town reads on ruxxar, oats and trfel. I really want to like Sulfu as he had the same attitude of "not posting a lot but ask question" last game, and he was town. But I think he has less than 5 posts atm, that's really not a lot. Everybody I have not talk about I have either no read or mafia lean. It's especially hard on the moosy - geript - bats situation. I don't like moosy for : - his first post - his multiple times stating he is a newbie But geript's reasoning for voting him is super bad. And batsnacks' one is so weird, involving double bus at one point. Well. Here is my brain atm.
Then he tries to make a case on me once people tell him me-geript-batsnacks was never a thing.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 08:25 Rels wrote:Fuck I was making a case on you moosy but reading your filter a lot of my points are false. Like I was saying you kept repeating that you were newb. Actually it's not true. I still have two things left in my suspicion of you, so could you please comment on them. First pointYou don't take any stand. Not against me nor anyone else. More than that, a few hours ago, you discussed people you wanted to make a case on but you're still undecided. In particular what is this post: Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 05:44 Kickstart wrote:On June 13 2015 05:42 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 05:40 geript wrote:
~7 hours batty Okay I can't dick around anymore. Please help me not get lynched, I require written instructions for how to get people to unvote me. Push someone who you think is actually scum then???????? Just a though~ What do I do if I don't have any scum reads? In a sense almost no one has scum reads because I'm town and the only people pushing stuff are pushing me. Here's would lynch: 3)MoosyDoosy 4)Sulfurus 7)Fake)Plants 2)batsnacks 3)Trfel here's idk can't form opinion: 6)damdred 1)Rels 4)WaveofShadow 5)geript 5)ruXxar Here's would not lynch: 2)n00bKing 1)Kickstart 6)Oatsmaster HELP Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case. I hate that you are giving him targets on the basis of "you only need to convince two guys for those targets". Almost look like you want him to make a case, join him, and push the blame on him later. I also hate this sentence: "Sulfurus looks easiest is you want to make a case." Go make one yourself if you're so confident. Plus, you make this post to the guy voting you. Really, I liked your filter way than expected, but I hate this post. Second pointI find it weird that you say the following: newbie must be on mafia team, because otherwise they would have pushed on my first post. I find it weird that you felt the need to say it, against a super weak attack ("mafia should have pushed this post and didn't so moosy is mafia", more or less). Here are the posts I'm talking about: Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 11:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yo, also keep in mind a newbie might be Mafia which is why he's not jumping on my post. Seems like something Mafia should do from reading the guide. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 03:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 03:34 geript wrote:
Nah. It'd be pretty odd if there wasn't at least 1 veteran on the mafia team. I'm re-reading posts right now to make a list, but the veteran(s) had to be inactive at the start to not point it out. On the other hand, any newbie might be the Mafia.
After this, he leaves the thread for a bit and posts a list of people he suspects in order to pretend to be active. Then WaveofShadow, Oats, and me begin to defend batsnacks whereupon a case begins to form around geript and Sulfurus. Rels decides upon lynching geript and not Sulfurus. Note that before this he is also defending Sulfurus by saying he played the same way in "the previous game". However, batsnacks provided several examples where Sulfurus was providing better critical analysis whereupon Rels is forced to remain quiet.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote:
Alright I have to go. I will check from my phone from time to time. For now my vote is on geript. May switch to Damdred if he keeps on lurking.
If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.
##Vote geript
As Trfel already pointed out, Rels also does not really seem to support this vote as he already knows who Mafia REALLY is.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 01:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 00:58 geript wrote:
It was a good reason tho. I remember thinking that. Yo geript. If you ever remember that reason I'll be super interested, as I hated plants' only post. Please answer this post: Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 19:22 Rels wrote:Geript could you expand on two things when you come back ? 1On June 13 2015 03:08 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game) This post is pretty bad. On June 12 2015 10:30 Kickstart wrote:
Because I've had the urge to troll you since I came back to playing mafia Oats. I can't help myself. Don't worry though the 2 scums atm are ruxxar and sulfurus so you are not in my tunnel atm. [...] Oooh Damdred replaced in. That guy's town 100%. ezpz. On June 13 2015 06:41 geript wrote:
Nah. Damdred is 100% town. He's gotten pretty easy to read. It's pretty cool that you can read damdred (= but this game he's impossible for to read atm due to lack of posts. Were you saying that if he's town you're going to know it for sure later ? And do you read damdred town right now ? 2On June 13 2015 06:56 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 06:47 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 06:47 geript wrote:
Wave not making association cases would be far more concerning. Not a fan of trfel Why don't you like Trfel? Not really something something I can put my finger on. Feels I guess. Maybe my impression of his meta is off from his actual meta since I don't think I've played a game with him for a bit. [...] I would be super interested if you took the time to reread Trfel's past game with you and expand on that. If you don't have the time to do that, could you at least try to explain this more ?
And from this point, Rels disappears, never addresses Trfel's point and he never really answered any other questions as well. I'm curious to see his response when he comes back although I believe a strong case can be made against both Rels and Sulfurus as a team of Mafia.
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batsnacks are you serious. I was working on this the whole time and you already posted your own shit.
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As a note, I also doubt that Damdred is Mafia. Rels seemed perfectly fine with lynching him and even pointed out. I also saw little synergy between Damdred and the others as well.
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On June 15 2015 05:50 ruXxar wrote:
Here's some food for thought.
So far we have scum reads on 2 mafia, Rels and Sulfu.
Both are newbies.
How likely do you think that all 3 mafia are in the newbie group?
Would it not make sense that at least 1 mafia is part of the veteran group?
People who have played previous newbie games, what is usually the distribution of mafia on newbie/veteran side?
I'd say there's a likely chance. There might be one slippery veteran or just another newbie. Even geript suggested that it might be 3 newbies although I know he was suspected me at one point so I might have been one of his suspects.
When you think about it, I find it more than plausible. Rels came into the thread a bit late which means he might not have been able to catch onto my dumb first post. However, note that he also moves on immediately to point out my passive post as well as Plants' post.
On the other hand, Sulfurus might have been reading from the very start (evidenced where he votes against Kickstart in the beginning). But judging from Sulfurus's playstyle, he's rather passive and he's only been in one game in the past. I see it possible that he might not have seen the opportunity to jump on either mine or Plants's post due to inexperience or passive playstyle.
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n00bKing, what do you think of Rels?
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n00bking that was so good
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##vote Rels
Good job n00bKing you did well.
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Alright guys, Rels first then Sulfurus. After that, we re-look over n00bKing's post then decide on the next person. I'm inclined to trust him though. That analysis was so good.
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batsnacks u posted before Day 2 to let you know
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On June 15 2015 07:10 ruXxar wrote:
##Vote Rels
ruXxar didn't bold his vote, what does this mean?
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On June 15 2015 07:12 ruXxar wrote:
I'm 100% in on Rels.
Thoughts on Sulfurus?
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On June 15 2015 07:17 Kickstart wrote:
First of all I want to apologize for my lack of activity. It isn't fair to everyone that I am usually quite active and in this game I neglected to play for some time. I am town though.
Secondly this end of cycle times is getting really stupid, please set a time and stick to it. I thought it was 21:00 originally then it was 1 hour earlier and now its 18:00.
Originally was suspicious mainly of ruxx and sulf. Sulf still scummy ruxx not so much. Hate to just come in and agree with thread sentiment but rels is scummy as well. Tbh I just skimmed through most of the EoD and the night stuff though.
Page 50, mine and batsnack's long posts.
Page 51, n00bKing's epitaph.
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On June 15 2015 07:22 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 06:59 n00bKing wrote:
I don't particularly expect to be killed tonight. derp. I hope all the players on both sides have fun. But most of all, I hope the Town winnnnnnnnnns! Bye guys!
Although I'm hurt that you still harbor a vague suspicion that I'm Mafia, good job with that post. Hope to see you in the next Mafia game!
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On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long.
Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary.
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On June 15 2015 07:42 ruXxar wrote:
Gaaah, my head hurts real bad right now.
I can't understand sulfurs logic at all.
Why would he defend rels so hard yet make such a terrible play to not become a lynch target.
It makes no sense to me.
His actions are so inconsistent.
On one hand he hard defends rel for god knows what reason,
Then he makes a terrible play that I don't think a mafia would do.
I want some second opinions in this.
Sulfurus is just plain scum lol. He's trying to play like he usually does but the role of a Mafia teammate is interfering with his play.
On June 15 2015 07:45 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary. I'm sorry, why would you vote me out when I agree they are scum?
You have no choice but to agree looking at how everyone is voting against them and there's too much evidence against them.
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Busing means that you're sacrificing your Mafia teammate to buy more time for yourself to convince others that you're not Mafia. A good way to do this would be to play dumb or find someone else to lynch.
ruXxar, feel glad. Although n00bKing is probably rolling in his grave right now, the reason I wanted the order of lynching to be Rels, Sulfurus, and then you is because I still think that you could be a townie. If we had it completely n00bKing's way, you would be the first lynch.
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On June 15 2015 08:13 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 08:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:Busing means that you're sacrificing your Mafia teammate to buy more time for yourself to convince others that you're not Mafia. A good way to do this would be to play dumb or find someone else to lynch. ruXxar, feel glad. Although n00bKing is probably rolling in his grave right now, the reason I wanted the order of lynching to be Rels, Sulfurus, and then you is because I still think that you could be a townie. If we had it completely n00bKing's way, you would be the first lynch. I'm not buying that crap. Nowhere does n00b say in his last post that he wants to lynch me first. Please try again.
First lynch after Sulfurus.*
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On June 15 2015 08:45 Sulfurus wrote:
Can someone besides trfel explain to me why he is being so universally town read? I admit looking back his tunnel on rels is better then I thought but that's it. He has spent all his time on this one player and doesn't have good reads on anyone else yet multiple players have put him at the top of their townlists.
Considering the fact that he got Rels when no one really suspected him, I'd say it'd be a weird thing for him to bus over a fellow Mafia at that point. Try again.
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On June 15 2015 08:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
that was a pretty bad kill.
Why exactly is everyone voting for rels and not sulph?
It doesn't really matter since they're both scum. Also because he has a lot more evidence stacked against him which was provided by Trfel, me, and batsnacks.
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On June 15 2015 08:57 ruXxar wrote:
It all makes sense now.
The certainty of town claims, discussion of what the medic should do.
The apparent "bait" in your earlier defense.
Very clever indeed..
I recommend a cop check on moosy and or kickstart.
You're gonna have to formulate a better argument than that. Come back with a better post with evidence and I'll bother refuting it.
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On June 15 2015 09:08 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 08:45 Sulfurus wrote:
Can someone besides trfel explain to me why he is being so universally town read? I admit looking back his tunnel on rels is better then I thought but that's it. He has spent all his time on this one player and doesn't have good reads on anyone else yet multiple players have put him at the top of their townlists. Please explain why you wanted to defend rels so badly and also why you wanted to lynch trelf. This is very important information, please make it clear to me because I don't understand it at all.
It's another slip up on Sulfurus's part that he's Mafia.
As we all agree, Rels is scum. Trfel was the first one to suspect Rels and when we all least expected it. Thus, it would be really weird for Trfel to have been a Mafia as he would have been busing over Rels when no one was really looking into him. Thus, what Sulfurus is suggesting makes no sense.
He's trying to defend himself by offering Trfel as lynch but overlooked that point.
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On June 15 2015 09:25 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 09:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:08 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 08:45 Sulfurus wrote:
Can someone besides trfel explain to me why he is being so universally town read? I admit looking back his tunnel on rels is better then I thought but that's it. He has spent all his time on this one player and doesn't have good reads on anyone else yet multiple players have put him at the top of their townlists. Please explain why you wanted to defend rels so badly and also why you wanted to lynch trelf. This is very important information, please make it clear to me because I don't understand it at all. It's another slip up on Sulfurus's part that he's Mafia. As we all agree, Rels is scum. Trfel was the first one to suspect Rels and when we all least expected it. Thus, it would be really weird for Trfel to have been a Mafia as he would have been busing over Rels when no one was really looking into him. Thus, what Sulfurus is suggesting makes no sense. He's trying to defend himself by offering Trfel as lynch but overlooked that point. Did we not learn from geripts case that mafia slip ups that get caught never are?
That was different. geript made a contradiction in his posting. Sulfurus is trying to make a claim that makes no sense. Answer this question: Do you really think Trfel is a Mafia?
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On June 15 2015 09:39 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:25 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 09:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:08 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 08:45 Sulfurus wrote:
Can someone besides trfel explain to me why he is being so universally town read? I admit looking back his tunnel on rels is better then I thought but that's it. He has spent all his time on this one player and doesn't have good reads on anyone else yet multiple players have put him at the top of their townlists. Please explain why you wanted to defend rels so badly and also why you wanted to lynch trelf. This is very important information, please make it clear to me because I don't understand it at all. It's another slip up on Sulfurus's part that he's Mafia. As we all agree, Rels is scum. Trfel was the first one to suspect Rels and when we all least expected it. Thus, it would be really weird for Trfel to have been a Mafia as he would have been busing over Rels when no one was really looking into him. Thus, what Sulfurus is suggesting makes no sense. He's trying to defend himself by offering Trfel as lynch but overlooked that point. Did we not learn from geripts case that mafia slip ups that get caught never are? That was different. geript made a contradiction in his posting. Sulfurus is trying to make a claim that makes no sense. Answer this question: Do you really think Trfel is a Mafia? I want to hear sulfur explanation before I answer that question.
That's a way of running away which is not helping your case if you're trying to show you're a townie. It would be better if you answered the quesiton.
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On June 15 2015 09:44 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 09:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:39 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:25 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 09:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:08 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 08:45 Sulfurus wrote:
Can someone besides trfel explain to me why he is being so universally town read? I admit looking back his tunnel on rels is better then I thought but that's it. He has spent all his time on this one player and doesn't have good reads on anyone else yet multiple players have put him at the top of their townlists. Please explain why you wanted to defend rels so badly and also why you wanted to lynch trelf. This is very important information, please make it clear to me because I don't understand it at all. It's another slip up on Sulfurus's part that he's Mafia. As we all agree, Rels is scum. Trfel was the first one to suspect Rels and when we all least expected it. Thus, it would be really weird for Trfel to have been a Mafia as he would have been busing over Rels when no one was really looking into him. Thus, what Sulfurus is suggesting makes no sense. He's trying to defend himself by offering Trfel as lynch but overlooked that point. Did we not learn from geripts case that mafia slip ups that get caught never are? That was different. geript made a contradiction in his posting. Sulfurus is trying to make a claim that makes no sense. Answer this question: Do you really think Trfel is a Mafia? I want to hear sulfur explanation before I answer that question. That's a way of running away which is not helping your case if you're trying to show you're a townie. It would be better if you answered the quesiton. I already answered this in a previous comment.
Then I'm going to have to read you as Mafia. You would have no fear in answering the question if you were actually a townie.
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On June 15 2015 09:50 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 09:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:44 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 09:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:39 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:25 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 09:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:08 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 08:45 Sulfurus wrote:
Can someone besides trfel explain to me why he is being so universally town read? I admit looking back his tunnel on rels is better then I thought but that's it. He has spent all his time on this one player and doesn't have good reads on anyone else yet multiple players have put him at the top of their townlists. Please explain why you wanted to defend rels so badly and also why you wanted to lynch trelf. This is very important information, please make it clear to me because I don't understand it at all. It's another slip up on Sulfurus's part that he's Mafia. As we all agree, Rels is scum. Trfel was the first one to suspect Rels and when we all least expected it. Thus, it would be really weird for Trfel to have been a Mafia as he would have been busing over Rels when no one was really looking into him. Thus, what Sulfurus is suggesting makes no sense. He's trying to defend himself by offering Trfel as lynch but overlooked that point. Did we not learn from geripts case that mafia slip ups that get caught never are? That was different. geript made a contradiction in his posting. Sulfurus is trying to make a claim that makes no sense. Answer this question: Do you really think Trfel is a Mafia? I want to hear sulfur explanation before I answer that question. That's a way of running away which is not helping your case if you're trying to show you're a townie. It would be better if you answered the quesiton. I already answered this in a previous comment. Then I'm going to have to read you as Mafia. You would have no fear in answering the question if you were actually a townie. I've already answered the question, and you know that. N00bking quoted it a couple pages back.
Then please refresh my memory?
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On June 15 2015 09:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 09:50 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 09:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:44 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 09:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:39 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:25 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 09:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:08 ruXxar wrote:
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Please explain why you wanted to defend rels so badly and also why you wanted to lynch trelf.
This is very important information, please make it clear to me because I don't understand it at all. It's another slip up on Sulfurus's part that he's Mafia. As we all agree, Rels is scum. Trfel was the first one to suspect Rels and when we all least expected it. Thus, it would be really weird for Trfel to have been a Mafia as he would have been busing over Rels when no one was really looking into him. Thus, what Sulfurus is suggesting makes no sense. He's trying to defend himself by offering Trfel as lynch but overlooked that point. Did we not learn from geripts case that mafia slip ups that get caught never are? That was different. geript made a contradiction in his posting. Sulfurus is trying to make a claim that makes no sense. Answer this question: Do you really think Trfel is a Mafia? I want to hear sulfur explanation before I answer that question. That's a way of running away which is not helping your case if you're trying to show you're a townie. It would be better if you answered the quesiton. I already answered this in a previous comment. Then I'm going to have to read you as Mafia. You would have no fear in answering the question if you were actually a townie. I've already answered the question, and you know that. N00bking quoted it a couple pages back. Then please refresh my memory?
ruXxar, this is very simple to answer. It's a yes or no question.
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On June 15 2015 10:03 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 09:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:50 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 09:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:44 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 09:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:39 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:25 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 09:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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It's another slip up on Sulfurus's part that he's Mafia.
As we all agree, Rels is scum. Trfel was the first one to suspect Rels and when we all least expected it. Thus, it would be really weird for Trfel to have been a Mafia as he would have been busing over Rels when no one was really looking into him. Thus, what Sulfurus is suggesting makes no sense.
He's trying to defend himself by offering Trfel as lynch but overlooked that point. Did we not learn from geripts case that mafia slip ups that get caught never are? That was different. geript made a contradiction in his posting. Sulfurus is trying to make a claim that makes no sense. Answer this question: Do you really think Trfel is a Mafia? I want to hear sulfur explanation before I answer that question. That's a way of running away which is not helping your case if you're trying to show you're a townie. It would be better if you answered the quesiton. I already answered this in a previous comment. Then I'm going to have to read you as Mafia. You would have no fear in answering the question if you were actually a townie. I've already answered the question, and you know that. N00bking quoted it a couple pages back. Then please refresh my memory? Show nested quote +
ruXxar wrote:
n00bking is my #1 townread right now, 100%.
Trfel would be second.
Then there's no need for you to suspect him. Simple as that. I also find it strange that you're asking someone who you said is scum on why they think someone else is scum. If anything else, you shouldn't believe that person's words.
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On June 15 2015 10:14 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 10:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 10:03 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 09:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:50 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 09:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:44 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 09:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:39 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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That was different. geript made a contradiction in his posting. Sulfurus is trying to make a claim that makes no sense. Answer this question: Do you really think Trfel is a Mafia? I want to hear sulfur explanation before I answer that question. That's a way of running away which is not helping your case if you're trying to show you're a townie. It would be better if you answered the quesiton. I already answered this in a previous comment. Then I'm going to have to read you as Mafia. You would have no fear in answering the question if you were actually a townie. I've already answered the question, and you know that. N00bking quoted it a couple pages back. Then please refresh my memory?
ruXxar wrote:
n00bking is my #1 townread right now, 100%.
Trfel would be second.
Then there's no need for you to suspect him. Simple as that. I also find it strange that you're asking someone who you said is scum on why they think someone else is scum. If anything else, you shouldn't believe that person's words. I never said I suspected trfel. I want to hear why sulfur does. I already made it clear a few pages back why sulfurs play doesn't make any sense. It echoes the sentiment that n00bking referred to when bats asked why sulf would make such a bold move.
Sulfur is just trying to use someone else as scapegoat to avoid being killed. Again, I don't see why you're trying to listen to Sulfurus when you called him scum. And even if Sulfur tries to defend myself, why are you trying to see the reasoning behind a terrible claim like he's trying to make on Trfel. Unless Sulfurus believes that Rels isn't Mafia, there's no way that his claim on Trfel can make sense. And if he doesn't think that Rels is Mafia, it's basically a clear sign that he is Mafia and that Rels is too.
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batsnacks, wait until Rels and Sulfurus before going for ruXxar.
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On June 15 2015 10:58 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 08:45 Sulfurus wrote:
Can someone besides trfel explain to me why he is being so universally town read? I admit looking back his tunnel on rels is better then I thought but that's it. He has spent all his time on this one player and doesn't have good reads on anyone else yet multiple players have put him at the top of their townlists. Yeah, no. I want this dead. No thought into his post or who he's attacking. Once again shows up and posts ONCE and then screws off. ##Vote: Sulfurus
If at least one of those two is scum I want this one first.
Rels did much the same earlier.
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On June 15 2015 11:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol also this moosy vs ruxxar business.
I gotta say moosy you're scaring me a little because if I'm going to get burned by one of you it looks like you'd be the one. I can visibly see you improving in the middle of this game and part of me wonders if it's because you were sandbagging all along.
^.^ Nah. idk if you'll necessarily trust me since this is a game of Mafia, but I'm not scum. Either way, thanks for the compliment. The only reason why I've been improving this much is because I have a whole host of role models and examples in this thread to look at.
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On June 15 2015 12:55 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 09:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:08 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 08:45 Sulfurus wrote:
Can someone besides trfel explain to me why he is being so universally town read? I admit looking back his tunnel on rels is better then I thought but that's it. He has spent all his time on this one player and doesn't have good reads on anyone else yet multiple players have put him at the top of their townlists. Please explain why you wanted to defend rels so badly and also why you wanted to lynch trelf. This is very important information, please make it clear to me because I don't understand it at all. It's another slip up on Sulfurus's part that he's Mafia. As we all agree, Rels is scum. Trfel was the first one to suspect Rels and when we all least expected it. Thus, it would be really weird for Trfel to have been a Mafia as he would have been busing over Rels when no one was really looking into him. Thus, what Sulfurus is suggesting makes no sense. He's trying to defend himself by offering Trfel as lynch but overlooked that point. Thank you for the answer but I don't think you understand why I made that post. First off there's no point in me defending myself since I am not at risk to be lynched and Second I'm actually trying to reevaluate on trfel by understanding why others are townreading him instead of being one of those people who just mindlessly tunnel on one person. Anyway your logic is actually really good if Rels is mafia but what if rels is town? Is everything we have on trfel just wrong or is he still town?
Only way to find out for sure is if we lynch Rels.
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I'll work my way back and refute points from there.
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On June 16 2015 00:46 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 23:21 ruXxar wrote:
Im changing my My read on sulfur to town.
I'll explain further when I get home. Here's my reasoning on sulfur: 1. Sulfur under pressure of getting lynched tries to accuse townread trfel of being mafia, and hard defends Rels. This play is so bad that I don't even think a bad mafia would make this play, but still it's possible. 2. After n00bking's epitaph where he recommended to lynch sulfur as #1, moosy went of the offensive. Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary. Moosy and kick then both HARD agree that I have to bus rels and sulfur as the only chance to clear my name. Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:45 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary. I'm sorry, why would you vote me out when I agree they are scum? Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:47 Kickstart wrote:On June 15 2015 07:45 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary. I'm sorry, why would you vote me out when I agree they are scum? Bussing is a known thing friend. That is why you are last in the line. Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 07:42 ruXxar wrote:
Gaaah, my head hurts real bad right now.
I can't understand sulfurs logic at all.
Why would he defend rels so hard yet make such a terrible play to not become a lynch target.
It makes no sense to me.
His actions are so inconsistent.
On one hand he hard defends rel for god knows what reason,
Then he makes a terrible play that I don't think a mafia would do.
I want some second opinions in this. Sulfurus is just plain scum lol. He's trying to play like he usually does but the role of a Mafia teammate is interfering with his play. On June 15 2015 07:45 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary. I'm sorry, why would you vote me out when I agree they are scum? You have no choice but to agree looking at how everyone is voting against them and there's too much evidence against them. 3. I then push really hard on sulfur to get his thoughts on Rels. He STILL didn't want to change his view on Rels and vote for him. If he was mafia scum, and the #1 suspect by n00bking. Would he not also vote for rels to try to clear his name? Any sane mafia person would.4. If I were mafia together with with sulfur, and our only chance of winning was to bus Rels as the first lynch target, would I not instruct my mafia teammate to also vote on Rels? I can only conclude that Sulfurus is Town
First of all, I don't know if you're trying to accuse me of Mafia or trying to clear Sulfurus. It seems like you're doing both which doesn't matter in any case because I disagree with both.
1. Sulfurus is trying to bring Trfel under the light which is a huge mistake. It makes no sense in any way whatsoever. It's either a very bad play or a weak attempt as Mafia to avoid being lynched. There is actually no way to excuse this attempt.
2. The reason I went on the offensive was to clarify n00bKing's suspicions that you might have been Mafia which you inadequately defended yourself on btw.
- I first asked you whether you thought Rels and Sulfurus were scum. You said they were.
- I then pointed out that this might be a case of busing. You pretended or really didn't know what we were talking about.
- I then pointed out that there's no reason for you to listen to Sulfurus's argument as you just said he was scum. For some reason, you kept on associating yourself with someone you said was scum and tried to listen to the basis of an argument that was unsound from the start. At this point you decided to leave and never replied.
- I won't even mention the fact that you're always following one wagon or another as I'm sure people will be able to look through your filter and see how you were always agreeing with almost every case out there.
3. Both Sulfurus and Rels were under fire. If they immediately began attempting to bus each other, it would most certainly be an assertion that they were Mafia. The only thing that they can do at this point is try and defend each other the best that they can. This point is weak.
4. No because both Sulfurus and Rels were primary suspects and are after n00bKing's post. The only reason why you would be able to get away with busing is because mostly everyone thought that you were town and it would be simplest for you to disassociate yourself from them. Which, I'd like to point out, you do by jumping on the n00bKing wagon immediately. Even now you're only revoking your argument because Rels is here and making a case for Sulfurus.
I don't see why you're so scared to make a stand for yourself and persist in wagoning off of other people's arguments.
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On June 15 2015 23:01 Rels wrote:
Hehe sure. I'm still checking if new posts have come from times to times.
I'm suspicious of moosy and scott voting me over Sulfu and doing so while praising noobking's post. I'm also suspicious of them because even before reading their posts, they were the most likely mafia with kickstart in my mind.
I'm actually reading their filters right now, so I'll see if my suspicions are match by their posts.
@Rels, the reason why I voted you over Sulfurus is because I had already made a case against you and I took n00bKing's epitaph as a confirmation for it.
I also admit, I was a bit excited over the fact that we caught Mafia which is why I linked mine, n00bKing's, and batsnack's arguments to Kickstart, since it seemed that he was wondering what had gone down over the course of the thread. And if anything else, arguments against a certain Mafia is the most important part of the game.
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On June 15 2015 20:55 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##vote Rels
Good job n00bKing you did well. Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:09 scott31337 wrote:
What an awesome post, n00b. I haven't felt good about Sulf or Rels, and Rels didn't reply to anything, just went to sleep.
##Vote Rels Hahaha that is so good (= I'm so happy to read these two posts. I think the two posters are scum. Here is why. All the suspicions noobkind put on me start with the premise that Sulfu is town. He himself say to lynch Sulfu first, then IF Sulfu is mafia, to lynch ruxxar or me day 3. He also says than ruxxar would be a better lynch than me day 3. Don't believe me ? Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 06:59 n00bKing wrote:
Sulfurus would be my top lynch on Day 2. If he flips Red, is it better to go after ruXxar or Rels next? That's tough. The ties between Sulfurus and ruXxar are definitely stronger than the ties between Sulfurus and Rels. But Rels is being read by more people as being generally scummy right now, so he might be the easier lynch, even if ruXxar could be the more logical lynch.
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If Sulfurus flips Green, then it's back to the drawing board, to some extent. Hopefully that would mean a batsnacks scum team, and he's paired with either Moosy or damdred. But that case is tougher to make than Sulfurus/ruXxar/Rels.
So. Just after this post, noobking dies and here is what happens: 1 - moosy and scott both expressed good feelings about noobking's post. 2 - noobking's post say to lynch Sulfu day 2, and if he flips mafia, to lynch ruxxar and me, ruxxar being the stronger lynch 3 - moosy and scott vote me instead. You know what is even funnier ? Let me quote this moosy post that happens just after his vote to me. Please read it carefully. Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Alright guys, Rels first then Sulfurus. After that, we re-look over n00bKing's post then decide on the next person. I'm inclined to trust him though. That analysis was so good. That "so good analysis" that moosy is talking about says to lynch Sulfu first, and that I'm not mafia unless Sulfu is too. But moosy wants to lynch me first. Then he wants to lynch Sulfu. And finally ruxxar. I can see a scum agenda here. How ? Let's consider this timeline: 1 - we lynch Sulfu, he flips green 2 - if we follow noobking post, we're not lynching me nor ruxxar anymore. Conclusion: we only mislynched once. moosy seems to be pushing for a better timeline for mafia: 1 - we lynch me, I flip green 2 - too bad! Let's follow noobking post again ... mm that's true he asked for sulfu's lynch first. 3 - we lynch sulfu, I flip green Conclusion: two mislynches
Yeh, again, that wasn't my intention. The reason why I voted to lynch you first was because there were already arguments from me, Trfel, batsnacks, and now n00bKing. Comparatively, no one really made any cases against Sulfurus which is why I felt it would be safer to be lynching you.
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Does anyone wish to follow this foolish attempt at lynching me?
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On June 16 2015 02:40 batsnacks wrote:
"Safer" is a weird word.
How so? I thought it would be pretty safe to lynch Rels considering the cases stacked against him.
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On June 16 2015 02:46 batsnacks wrote:
It's not important I know that you're trying to say that there's more stated evidence for Rels and it makes him a better lynch. Safer is just a weird way to put it.
In what way?
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On June 16 2015 02:50 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 02:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 20:55 Rels wrote:On June 15 2015 07:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##vote Rels
Good job n00bKing you did well. On June 15 2015 07:09 scott31337 wrote:
What an awesome post, n00b. I haven't felt good about Sulf or Rels, and Rels didn't reply to anything, just went to sleep.
##Vote Rels Hahaha that is so good (= I'm so happy to read these two posts. I think the two posters are scum. Here is why. All the suspicions noobkind put on me start with the premise that Sulfu is town. He himself say to lynch Sulfu first, then IF Sulfu is mafia, to lynch ruxxar or me day 3. He also says than ruxxar would be a better lynch than me day 3. Don't believe me ? On June 15 2015 06:59 n00bKing wrote:
Sulfurus would be my top lynch on Day 2. If he flips Red, is it better to go after ruXxar or Rels next? That's tough. The ties between Sulfurus and ruXxar are definitely stronger than the ties between Sulfurus and Rels. But Rels is being read by more people as being generally scummy right now, so he might be the easier lynch, even if ruXxar could be the more logical lynch.
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If Sulfurus flips Green, then it's back to the drawing board, to some extent. Hopefully that would mean a batsnacks scum team, and he's paired with either Moosy or damdred. But that case is tougher to make than Sulfurus/ruXxar/Rels.
So. Just after this post, noobking dies and here is what happens: 1 - moosy and scott both expressed good feelings about noobking's post. 2 - noobking's post say to lynch Sulfu day 2, and if he flips mafia, to lynch ruxxar and me, ruxxar being the stronger lynch 3 - moosy and scott vote me instead. You know what is even funnier ? Let me quote this moosy post that happens just after his vote to me. Please read it carefully. On June 15 2015 07:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Alright guys, Rels first then Sulfurus. After that, we re-look over n00bKing's post then decide on the next person. I'm inclined to trust him though. That analysis was so good. That "so good analysis" that moosy is talking about says to lynch Sulfu first, and that I'm not mafia unless Sulfu is too. But moosy wants to lynch me first. Then he wants to lynch Sulfu. And finally ruxxar. I can see a scum agenda here. How ? Let's consider this timeline: 1 - we lynch Sulfu, he flips green 2 - if we follow noobking post, we're not lynching me nor ruxxar anymore. Conclusion: we only mislynched once. moosy seems to be pushing for a better timeline for mafia: 1 - we lynch me, I flip green 2 - too bad! Let's follow noobking post again ... mm that's true he asked for sulfu's lynch first. 3 - we lynch sulfu, I flip green Conclusion: two mislynches Yeh, again, that wasn't my intention. The reason why I voted to lynch you first was because there were already arguments from me, Trfel, batsnacks, and now n00bKing. Comparatively, no one really made any cases against Sulfurus which is why I felt it would be safer to be lynching you. Alright I can accept this explanation. I responded all the cases you mentioned, did that change your read on me ? The thing about linking your cases to noobking's is still a little, little bit scummy. Obviously it's weak so nobody will lynch you for only this.
If anything, linking my cases to n00bKing's is the opposite of scummy considering that he turned out to be VT as well. Since it seems that no one exactly wants to immediately chop off my head, I'll go back and re-read over everything carefully.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 15 2015 15:22 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 21:52 ruXxar wrote:
So first off.
I'm very disappointed that the night actually started 1 hour earlier than expected.
It didn't give me enough time to analyze batsnacks accusation even though it made sense when he posted it.
I can't tell you his reasons for doing so, but it felt like such an improvised and irregular post that I don't know what to make of it.
All game I had him as scum, and suddenly he makes this one move which totally breaks with his character so far.
I can't help but feel like i've been fooled.
I want to say that I should've stuck to my gut feeling and not be swayed so easily.
If I disregard that one action of his, then batsnacks is still my top scumread. This makes no sense to me given this post here. Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote:On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. Wow bats... I'm speechless. I had you and geript as my top two scum. I refuse to believe that you would bus your own scum teammate this hard. You really redeemed yourself here in my eyes. I'll have to change my alignment of you to town and change my vote to geript. ##Unvote batsnacks
##Vote geript Please explain. I'm more interested in this than the case on MoosyDoosy that follows.
MoosyDoosy, I know you've explained this a few times already, but I'm not sure I understand. Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 07:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 07:37 Damdred wrote:
Also day post is at 18:06 for,me and it's 18:36 now Sooo it's right just sucks.
Anyway, who do you think is town/scum Lol, I don't think anything is certain after this. getrip was fine with suspecting both Sulfurus and Rels when necessary and he even voted for both at some point. Not only that, but both Sulfurus AND Rels were two of our top suspects as Mafia. I can't shake off the feeling that getrip just really screwed up by accident and we were jumping on it for no reason. Either way, I think that everyone should look over everything again. You made this post without knowing that geript flipped his alignment. My impression is that you are less convinced that geript is scum, and your worry for him actually being town caused you to be less convinced that Sulfurus and Rels were scum? Is this correct?
Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 01:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 01:27 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 01:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 01:08 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 01:00 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 15 2015 00:56 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:55 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:53 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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Alright ruXxar, let's dance this dance of death.
1. Pulling the noob card
I mean, what can I say? This is completely my fault for not reading things correctly and I realize it more than anyone else. However, if you look at the posts I make cluelessly, you can see that I'm still genuinely attempting to help.
- When I bring up the possibility of 2 Mafia, I'm trying to expand our thought process in case there is more than 1 Mafia. After all, it's a terrible idea to have a confined mindset. Also, a nitpick with this point of yours. If you say that me suggesting there's 2 Mafia is "inexcusable" that's more of an accusation of bad play and not scum-oriented behavior.
- geript flipped as town. Okay, try and follow me here. IF we didn't know that geript was flipped, then my thought process was clear here. IF geript was a Mafia, then his two suspects in Sulfurus and Rels can't be Mafia as well unless he was busing them. Which was unfortunate because Sulfurus and Rels were also our top suspects for Mafia. IF geript was a townie which seems more likely due to the above scenario, we screwed up big time. That's what my thought process was but it turns out geript flipped which means we screwed up.
- Also, I do try and read stuff but some of it just doesn't end up in my brain. If you recall ruXxar, I did point out that we can ask questions in green text which at least displays some reading comprehension. You might want to point that out to show that I haven't completely been pulling out the noob card in every sentence I use.
2. Indecisive, passive play
- Your example where I'm suggesting either Sulfurus or geript to batsnacks is a terrible one. I believe I said it somewhere else before, but it was an attempt for me to set bait. If batsnacks does try to defend himself with either of my suggestions or just makes a good case in general, that means he's town. If he doesn't try, he's scum. In the end, I'd still say I think he's town because he's genuinely been trying to defend himself and used geript as a way out.
- Also, expand more on this if you're going to make it a point. You can't just nitpick things like you did with point #1 too. If we're talking about indecisiveness, cover how I don't really want to place a vote, I come into the thread passive, and I'm generally terrible at pressuring people. If you count all these things in, I'm pretty sure anyone can see that I have a passive playstyle. If you hate my playstyle, sure go for it and make a case off of my passivity, but don't nitpick stuff just to support your own argument.
- Also, I won't answer your other quotes because those are totally irrelevant when looked at in context.
3. Asking about pr roles
- Hm...I can see why you think a Mafia would post that. But don't worry, there was a reason behind that post. If you still want to pressure me on this, feel free to do so as I can't adequately defend myself on this one unless I wish to ruin the game.
Overall? Stop nitpicking stuff bro. Your argument was decent, but your evidence was weak. If you're going to try and kill a townie, you should work harder. The bold part makes me think you have a power role... Actually, I don't just think so, it seems like very strong evidence for a power role. I'm curious if you actually are the medic. (PS : Don't tell us if you are) Then why in blue fuck would you actually discuss this? Just terrible. Fuck.. that was a terrible play by me. I'm retracting my scumread on mossy based on this new information. ruXxar I put that post for a reason. I might be a town role. I might be a townie using it as leverage to keep me alive. I might be Mafia using it to keep myself alive. I might be trying to deceive you. That's not the main issue here, don't let that point blind you. Look at the rest of my actions and judge based on those. It was very enlightening for me to see you defend yourself so hard. I really liked the way you defended yourself with ferocity. I also believe in occams razor. I think that usually the scenario with the least amount of crazy assumptions is most likely to be correct. If you baited me with that piece of information, then good job, but I really liked your spirit in defending yourself, and seen in light of a newbie then it makes sense that you made some ramblings while under pressure. Keeping my townread on you for now. ^.^ I was hoping that someone would pick up on it and to get a solid read based on their reaction. Glad to see you're a townie with us ruXxar. How can you conclude that ruXxar is town based on this? If he's town, it's a bad play to bring it up because it draws attention to it. If he's scum, it's a bad play to bring it up because he would want to keep it secret and just shoot you. And I don't see anything in his tone that gives me a good read.
Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 01:39 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 01:35 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 01:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 01:27 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 01:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 01:08 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 01:00 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 15 2015 00:56 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:55 ruXxar wrote:
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Actually, I don't just think so, it seems like very strong evidence for a power role.
I'm curious if you actually are the medic.
(PS : Don't tell us if you are) Then why in blue fuck would you actually discuss this? Just terrible. Fuck.. that was a terrible play by me. I'm retracting my scumread on mossy based on this new information. ruXxar I put that post for a reason. I might be a town role. I might be a townie using it as leverage to keep me alive. I might be Mafia using it to keep myself alive. I might be trying to deceive you. That's not the main issue here, don't let that point blind you. Look at the rest of my actions and judge based on those. It was very enlightening for me to see you defend yourself so hard. I really liked the way you defended yourself with ferocity. I also believe in occams razor. I think that usually the scenario with the least amount of crazy assumptions is most likely to be correct. If you baited me with that piece of information, then good job, but I really liked your spirit in defending yourself, and seen in light of a newbie then it makes sense that you made some ramblings while under pressure. Keeping my townread on you for now. ^.^ I was hoping that someone would pick up on it and to get a solid read based on their reaction. Glad to see you're a townie with us ruXxar. I want to hear your opinion on the whole batsnacks trap thing. It seemed like a very big jump from his normal demeanor. Like out of the blue he suddenly makes an irrational action like that. I know you said you didn't have any scumreads right now, but if you wanted to go with a gut feeling, who would you possibly want to know more about? Actually, I think there should be more discussion in general around the batsnacks trap case. Was I the only one that found it a strange change in behavior from him? It was a strange change in behavior. However, using Bat Traps is an indicator of batsnacks being town. Batsnacks looks significantly better after that geript push, despite the result.
Also, wow. Those points that batsnacks raised about Rels are really strong. Rels certainly has a lot to say for himself. ##vote Rels
Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 05:50 ruXxar wrote:
Here's some food for thought.
So far we have scum reads on 2 mafia, Rels and Sulfu.
Both are newbies.
How likely do you think that all 3 mafia are in the newbie group?
Would it not make sense that at least 1 mafia is part of the veteran group?
People who have played previous newbie games, what is usually the distribution of mafia on newbie/veteran side? Teams are randomized. Plus, it's best to go one lynch at a time.
Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 06:59 n00bKing wrote:I don't particularly expect to be killed tonight. But just in case that happens, here's where my thoughts are at. Briefly, let's consider what it means if I do get killed. There was one post I made that I backreferenced twice, and is probably the post that would be most strongly associated with me. It was this one: n00bKing wrote:
Situation: 11 players have votes in place, and 2 players are not voting. All 11 of the votes are on either batsnacks or Sulfurus. No one has a vote on anyone else.
At this stage of a Day 1, I'm more used to seeing a smattering of votes on some other miscellaneous players too. Maybe partially because the scum team doesn't want to have all their votes in one place, so they fan out some (and maybe a random Townie or two gets tunneled on their respective targets, and won't budge, even though no one else has any interest in following along).
Theory: This situation makes it pretty likely that one of the two players receiving votes is actually scum, and that we don't have a Town vs. Town situation for our two vote leaders. The scum team has not been able to fan out their votes, because they've needed "all hands on deck" to make sure that the scum player doesn't take a runaway lead in the voting.
Conclusion: Even though there's a lot of time left in the Phase, we may not want to introduce a third lynch target, and should instead stick to trying to pick between these two (since, if the Theory is correct, one of them would flip Red). I didn't have any luck whatsoever trying to get geript out of the noose, and some players (like damdred and batsnacks) have been saying that a lot of my posts can just be safely ignored. Based on all that, I don't think the scum players would kill me, to make it look like they were trying to silence me, to FRAME one of Sulfurus/batsnacks, if they were both actually town. Rather, the scum team would only kill me if my Theory was indeed correct, and one of Sulfurus/batsnacks IS scum. So remember, if the scum team kills me, the Theory is correct. We already know that I still think the Theory is correct, and I've mentioned some possible teammates for batsnacks (damdred, Moosy) if he is the bad guy in this scenario. And I said that I also had some ideas in mind about who could be possible teammates for Sulfurus, if he is the bad guy in this scenario. So here goes. This part of n00bKing's post is rather ironic. But I need to disagree here. N00bKing's lynch theory was hardly the most important contribution he's made to the thread, and I see no reason to believe it. There are several reasons for lynching him, one of them being that he's townread by most everyone in the game and is rather active. This is shown by people being suspicious of him during the night, and that suspicion went nowhere fast. N00bKing was almost certainly not going to be lynched this game. The association case that n00bKing presents is very interesting, but I generally don't like association cases. I have various levels of suspicions about the people that he suspected, though.
Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 13:08 Sulfurus wrote:On June 14 2015 10:20 Trfel wrote:
Sulfurus, you need to say why you are scumreading me. You can't throw around suspicions with nothing behind them.
WaveofShadow, I don't understand how a player of your caliber can just vanish before the lynch and come back after it. You even came back after the later deadline. Can you please explain this? You basically said Rels his scum for changing his position a lot which isn't even alignment indicative. Like if you like at way rels changes his vote he actually does it in a very townie way giving good logic every time he's done. You on the other hand changed your vote to Geript sporadically (without even giving a read on him at any previous point in the thread) simply because Bats found a 'slip'. This read makes no sense. I didn't scumread Rels for changing his position a lot. I created a list of Rels' reads and used that as a basis for the arguments presented below, leaving the initial work there for people to check the evidence themselves. Please read more carefully. Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 08:45 Sulfurus wrote:
Can someone besides trfel explain to me why he is being so universally town read? I admit looking back his tunnel on rels is better then I thought but that's it. He has spent all his time on this one player and doesn't have good reads on anyone else yet multiple players have put him at the top of their townlists. Catching ONE scum is enough of a challenge for me, much less catching multiple. If I can find someone who looks really scummy to lynch, that's about as much as I can hope for. I've been asking questions and pushing my suspicions, so I don't really understand how you can say that I've only been pushing one person.
Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 09:18 Kickstart wrote:
Cop check on me is only useful in confirming im town. I am not mafia nor is anyone really suspicious of me of being mafia from what I can tell, aside from being somewhat concerned over my afkness, cop should check someone that they think will turn up red. You are awfully concerned with what blue roles we have and what they do and you are quite wrong in what actions they should be taking. Let the blue roles play their roles and stop trying to direct them into bad plays or outing themselves. Posts like this are useless, and give me the feeling that Kickstart isn't invested in this game. He got townread, and then left for a long time. This isn't alignment indicative, but now that he's back, he isn't pushing the thread, or asking questions (which I really would expect, given how much he missed), but he's lurking and only responding when someone called for a cop check on him (right at the start of the day). Why doesn't he simply prove himself through his actions, or find scum? This is a huge contrast to the Kickstart at the start of the game, and the Kickstart I have seen before. And I don't like it one bit. Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 11:18 Kickstart wrote:
Of course me coming back after being afk looks bad, good job pointing out the obvious. Would you prefer I stayed afk? I don't need to make excuses cause it comes down to real life stuff which isn't anyone's business. Deal with it or don't. Me apologizing is because I don't think it is fair to everyone that I was afk when I am normally much more active. I should just ignore people commenting on me coming back but it annoyed me.
Wait, MORE of this? I don't understand why town!Kickstart would make these posts that don't provide any content and don't help town at all. Pure excuses, no scumhunting whatsoever.
Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 11:38 WaveofShadow wrote:Trfel - First to jump on the wake of Bat's 'discovery.' Eh. On looking through I thought he was on Rels all day and then dropped his amazing case instantly in favor of even after this post: On June 14 2015 04:14 Trfel wrote:
Ugh, I just don't quite feel right about lynching geript or Damdred. They're both incredible players, and it's the weekend, so it's unfair to expect normal activity levels from them.
##vote Rels But he was onto batsnacks as well at one point. It does kinda look as though he almost doesn't believe his own case at times because of his initial dropoff from Rels onto bats, then as bats lost ground back onto rels again and onto Geript. He does put a LOT of effort into his rels push when he is on him though so at the same time it seems doubtful that this is a half-assed push where he was just looking for an out. Not sold either on this one. Also liked his activity around the lynch and his first post after flip. What is the mafia incentive for pushing Rels hard at times, and at other times going with other wagons? That's a lousy way to go about a bus, and if I'm scum and Rels is town, why would I keep jumping around between flipped town geript, likely town batsnacks, and assumed town Rels? Given the lackluster way geript was playing, I was suspicious of him. I didn't want to lynch him for that alone, though, because of the weekend and because of the potential risk. However, when batsnacks caught what I thought was a scumslip, this new information convinced me to lynch geript. If I didn't re-evaluate based on new information, that would be more telling. WaveofShadow, with your geript wagon analysis in mind, what do you think about ruXxar, given that you were townreading him earlier? + Show Spoiler Show nested quote + +On June 15 2015 11:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol also this moosy vs ruxxar business.
I gotta say moosy you're scaring me a little because if I'm going to get burned by one of you it looks like you'd be the one. I can visibly see you improving in the middle of this game and part of me wonders if it's because you were sandbagging all along.
Rels is looking pretty bad, the evidence presented by batsnacks pushes it over the top. Rels hasn't seemed at all interested in defending himself. I'm more than happy to lynch him. Kickstart is also looking quite bad. I just don't understand how a townie can be gone for many important events, then come back and only post saying that "being afk isn't alignment indicative". No scumhunting, no questions, no analysis, just excuses. I just don't know about Sulfurus any more. For scumreading me, he seems uninterested in pushing it, but he's so inactive that I'm not sure if this even applies. I just really hope that power roles or associations sort this out. Would like to see a response from Sulfurus about the flaws I've pointed out in his scumread of me. Damdred still feels off. I can't quite put my finger on it, though, beyond a few tells that are best kept to myself for now. I need to take a careful look at his filter in the near future. Also need to look more closely at MoosyDoosy, ruXxar, and Oatsmaster.
1. Exactly the opposite. If geript had been scum, then my suspicion on Rels and Sulfurus would have been reduced as he had felt free to vote against them at points in the game. However, geript turned out to have flipped which allowed me to relook at Rels and Sulfurus.
2. I thought it was a newbie play on his part to have let it slip by pointing out that line. I was hoping that he would point it out and fall for it and he did. Given n00bKing's argument, I am still inclined to pressure ruXxar especially since he finds it difficult to adequately defend himself and is all over wagons at every given point in time.
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On June 16 2015 02:58 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 02:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 16 2015 02:50 Rels wrote:On June 16 2015 02:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 20:55 Rels wrote:On June 15 2015 07:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##vote Rels
Good job n00bKing you did well. On June 15 2015 07:09 scott31337 wrote:
What an awesome post, n00b. I haven't felt good about Sulf or Rels, and Rels didn't reply to anything, just went to sleep.
##Vote Rels Hahaha that is so good (= I'm so happy to read these two posts. I think the two posters are scum. Here is why. All the suspicions noobkind put on me start with the premise that Sulfu is town. He himself say to lynch Sulfu first, then IF Sulfu is mafia, to lynch ruxxar or me day 3. He also says than ruxxar would be a better lynch than me day 3. Don't believe me ? On June 15 2015 06:59 n00bKing wrote:
Sulfurus would be my top lynch on Day 2. If he flips Red, is it better to go after ruXxar or Rels next? That's tough. The ties between Sulfurus and ruXxar are definitely stronger than the ties between Sulfurus and Rels. But Rels is being read by more people as being generally scummy right now, so he might be the easier lynch, even if ruXxar could be the more logical lynch.
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If Sulfurus flips Green, then it's back to the drawing board, to some extent. Hopefully that would mean a batsnacks scum team, and he's paired with either Moosy or damdred. But that case is tougher to make than Sulfurus/ruXxar/Rels.
So. Just after this post, noobking dies and here is what happens: 1 - moosy and scott both expressed good feelings about noobking's post. 2 - noobking's post say to lynch Sulfu day 2, and if he flips mafia, to lynch ruxxar and me, ruxxar being the stronger lynch 3 - moosy and scott vote me instead. You know what is even funnier ? Let me quote this moosy post that happens just after his vote to me. Please read it carefully. On June 15 2015 07:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Alright guys, Rels first then Sulfurus. After that, we re-look over n00bKing's post then decide on the next person. I'm inclined to trust him though. That analysis was so good. That "so good analysis" that moosy is talking about says to lynch Sulfu first, and that I'm not mafia unless Sulfu is too. But moosy wants to lynch me first. Then he wants to lynch Sulfu. And finally ruxxar. I can see a scum agenda here. How ? Let's consider this timeline: 1 - we lynch Sulfu, he flips green 2 - if we follow noobking post, we're not lynching me nor ruxxar anymore. Conclusion: we only mislynched once. moosy seems to be pushing for a better timeline for mafia: 1 - we lynch me, I flip green 2 - too bad! Let's follow noobking post again ... mm that's true he asked for sulfu's lynch first. 3 - we lynch sulfu, I flip green Conclusion: two mislynches Yeh, again, that wasn't my intention. The reason why I voted to lynch you first was because there were already arguments from me, Trfel, batsnacks, and now n00bKing. Comparatively, no one really made any cases against Sulfurus which is why I felt it would be safer to be lynching you. Alright I can accept this explanation. I responded all the cases you mentioned, did that change your read on me ? The thing about linking your cases to noobking's is still a little, little bit scummy. Obviously it's weak so nobody will lynch you for only this. If anything, linking my cases to n00bKing's is the opposite of scummy considering that he turned out to be VT as well. Since it seems that no one exactly wants to immediately chop off my head, I'll go back and re-read over everything carefully. Now that you just admitted that your case and noobking's were different, I find it more opportunistic than good. That's why I called it a small scum hint.
Where did I say mine and n00bKing's cases were different? I was just saying that if you're linking mine and n00bKing's cases together, it would only show that I'm not scum because n00bKing turned out to be VT.
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On June 16 2015 02:54 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 02:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 16 2015 02:46 batsnacks wrote:
It's not important I know that you're trying to say that there's more stated evidence for Rels and it makes him a better lynch. Safer is just a weird way to put it. In what way? I don't consider this relevant because I feel like I understand what you were trying to say anyway but... It could also be "safer" because since there is more evidence for Rels, there will be less suspicion your way if he flips town. Compared to if you lynched hypothetical town sulfurus for (relatively) less evidence.
Lol, which is not what I was trying to say, say no.
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On June 16 2015 03:06 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 03:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 16 2015 02:58 Rels wrote:On June 16 2015 02:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 16 2015 02:50 Rels wrote:On June 16 2015 02:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 20:55 Rels wrote:On June 15 2015 07:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##vote Rels
Good job n00bKing you did well. On June 15 2015 07:09 scott31337 wrote:
What an awesome post, n00b. I haven't felt good about Sulf or Rels, and Rels didn't reply to anything, just went to sleep.
##Vote Rels Hahaha that is so good (= I'm so happy to read these two posts. I think the two posters are scum. Here is why. All the suspicions noobkind put on me start with the premise that Sulfu is town. He himself say to lynch Sulfu first, then IF Sulfu is mafia, to lynch ruxxar or me day 3. He also says than ruxxar would be a better lynch than me day 3. Don't believe me ? On June 15 2015 06:59 n00bKing wrote:
Sulfurus would be my top lynch on Day 2. If he flips Red, is it better to go after ruXxar or Rels next? That's tough. The ties between Sulfurus and ruXxar are definitely stronger than the ties between Sulfurus and Rels. But Rels is being read by more people as being generally scummy right now, so he might be the easier lynch, even if ruXxar could be the more logical lynch.
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If Sulfurus flips Green, then it's back to the drawing board, to some extent. Hopefully that would mean a batsnacks scum team, and he's paired with either Moosy or damdred. But that case is tougher to make than Sulfurus/ruXxar/Rels.
So. Just after this post, noobking dies and here is what happens: 1 - moosy and scott both expressed good feelings about noobking's post. 2 - noobking's post say to lynch Sulfu day 2, and if he flips mafia, to lynch ruxxar and me, ruxxar being the stronger lynch 3 - moosy and scott vote me instead. You know what is even funnier ? Let me quote this moosy post that happens just after his vote to me. Please read it carefully. On June 15 2015 07:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Alright guys, Rels first then Sulfurus. After that, we re-look over n00bKing's post then decide on the next person. I'm inclined to trust him though. That analysis was so good. That "so good analysis" that moosy is talking about says to lynch Sulfu first, and that I'm not mafia unless Sulfu is too. But moosy wants to lynch me first. Then he wants to lynch Sulfu. And finally ruxxar. I can see a scum agenda here. How ? Let's consider this timeline: 1 - we lynch Sulfu, he flips green 2 - if we follow noobking post, we're not lynching me nor ruxxar anymore. Conclusion: we only mislynched once. moosy seems to be pushing for a better timeline for mafia: 1 - we lynch me, I flip green 2 - too bad! Let's follow noobking post again ... mm that's true he asked for sulfu's lynch first. 3 - we lynch sulfu, I flip green Conclusion: two mislynches Yeh, again, that wasn't my intention. The reason why I voted to lynch you first was because there were already arguments from me, Trfel, batsnacks, and now n00bKing. Comparatively, no one really made any cases against Sulfurus which is why I felt it would be safer to be lynching you. Alright I can accept this explanation. I responded all the cases you mentioned, did that change your read on me ? The thing about linking your cases to noobking's is still a little, little bit scummy. Obviously it's weak so nobody will lynch you for only this. If anything, linking my cases to n00bKing's is the opposite of scummy considering that he turned out to be VT as well. Since it seems that no one exactly wants to immediately chop off my head, I'll go back and re-read over everything carefully. Now that you just admitted that your case and noobking's were different, I find it more opportunistic than good. That's why I called it a small scum hint. Where did I say mine and n00bKing's cases were different? I was just saying that if you're linking mine and n00bKing's cases together, it would only show that I'm not scum because n00bKing turned out to be VT. I'm not linking your case to noobking's. You did it yourself. Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 02:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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I also admit, I was a bit excited over the fact that we caught Mafia which is why I linked mine, n00bKing's, and batsnack's arguments to Kickstart, since it seemed that he was wondering what had gone down over the course of the thread. And if anything else, arguments against a certain Mafia is the most important part of the game.
Oh that post. In there, by "linked", I literally meant "linked". As in provide what he should look at. Not the "connect" together definition of "link".
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On June 16 2015 03:05 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 03:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 16 2015 02:54 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 02:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 16 2015 02:46 batsnacks wrote:
It's not important I know that you're trying to say that there's more stated evidence for Rels and it makes him a better lynch. Safer is just a weird way to put it. In what way? I don't consider this relevant because I feel like I understand what you were trying to say anyway but... It could also be "safer" because since there is more evidence for Rels, there will be less suspicion your way if he flips town. Compared to if you lynched hypothetical town sulfurus for (relatively) less evidence. Lol, which is not what I was trying to say, say no. Sometimes human beings accidentally reveal their intentions with their word choices. But it seriously doesn't matter you could have afked all day today and still not been the lynch.
I honestly still don't see how you would read that from "safe". In a vacuum, who would you rather lynch? Someone with a bunch of cases against him, or someone with speculation and almost no cases? Thus, it's safer to assume that the one with a bunch of cases is the one to lynch.
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On June 16 2015 03:28 Rels wrote:MoosyDoosyI don't really know about him. Will list for what reasons I find him scummy, and what reasons he could be town too. Reasons for me suspecting him: 1. His first post. It's bad, long and weird. + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. 2. He refers himself as a newbie several times. Not as much as I thought day 1, but there is still a number of times he does it. In addition, he either dumbtells a few times and didn't read the OP carefully. + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. On June 12 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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I'll look through the rest of your points, but I'll try and provide a "newbie perspective." Either way, it looks like he wised up real fast and stopped being as frantic and energetic in his posts. On June 13 2015 03:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 02:43 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2015 02:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 02:08 scott31337 wrote:Geript has four posts and very little content. I know he's good as mafia - but on the scum side of null for now. On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. Is this a dumbtell and didn't read the OP? Did he read boxerfred's last game and took all his ideas (Ie I'll act like I'm so newb everybody will just read me over for a few days) On June 13 2015 00:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:
What I want to do is find out why geript stopped posting after WaveofShadow had a scumread on him.
@batsnacks, I mean, I'm pretty sure I made it clear I was a town but sure, go ahead and waste your vote. I sure am not seeing this "I made it clear". "Go ahead and waste your vote" is a very interesting way to word a vote on you if you are town. On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.
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##vote moosygoosy On June 12 2015 10:27 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. people should be talking about this. Making sense? He quoted one post and said talk about this. I like Oat's post about "N00bking" looking townie since didn't stop his advice posting even when people stopped him - that makes a lot of sense. Bats and Geript bussing Moose? looks like the most logical conclusion I see at this time. ## Batsnacks / Geript / MoosyDoosy but that would be too ez. But not liking Batsnacks. Anyone have any questions or want to point out things I may have missed? Ok, let's get this straight. As I said multiple times before, I'm new to TL and online Mafia. Either way, I'll address your points. 1. You say geript is a good Mafia from previous games and he's too obvious here leading to the conclusion he's not Mafia. If that's the case, how would you expect me to know that? I've never played TL Mafia before and never played with geript so I wouldn't know. 2. All I know about boxerfred is from his post here where he said he couldn't play and from his lack of posts. I don't even know what games he was previously in. The only person I know is Trfel who goes on Bnet forums from time to time which is where I commonly post. 3. I don't see how "Go ahead and waste your vote" is weird. I'm clearly a town so I don't see why batsnacks would vote for me. 4. I already explained why I worded my first post in my first Mafia game in the way I did. I've obviously seen why that's a bad thing to do (Mafia will find a way to point it out and lynch me) so I'm obviously not going to do that in the future. Is there anything else? 1. I was not saying either way - but Geript is a good mafia player.Is he AFK or uninterested or mafia or both? That's what we're trying to figure out. If you have free time and would like, the TL Mafia Database has a listing of peoples games here and links. 2. I'll rephrase - Boxerfred posted a lot of newbie/dumb questions and skated on this for a few days until people got suspicious of him. It was a ruse. You have read the whole OP (first post) now right? You know what roles CAN be in the game? 3. You just said it again. "I'm clearly a town" - if you say it enough I'll start to believe it? People who keep saying lines like this irk me. "The Most Basic Form of Mind Control is Repetition" 4. Fair enough point, thank you. scott, bottom line is that most of your reasoning is based on the belief that I'll know how others play or how to play. And what I keep saying is that I'm new to online Mafia and don't know how to play or how others play. On June 14 2015 03:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 03:50 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 18:17 ruXxar wrote:
I disagree.
There are 3 Mafia and 2 town roles.
I believe that reducing kill power from 2 to 1 is the single most important factor in us winning the game.
This would buy us so much time that we should have overwhelming odds of winning.
The chance of targeting Carl is very low.
I'm ok with taking the odds of a power role checking Carl if it means we increase our chances of killing mafia. Does knowing that there is only 1 mafia attack each Night change your position? Also, where are you getting that there are "2 town roles?" I see absolutely nothing that would indicate there are 8 VTs and 2 non-Vanilla Town roles, if that is what you are saying. Sorry for this newbie question which I should have asked earlier but which slipped my mind because I had to do something else. What's a Carl? 3. WIFOM point: 3 hours before noobking was killed, moosy did two posts to say noobking was town. Could be he knew that noobking was going to be confirmed town, and wanted the towncred of listing as town before he died. + Show Spoiler +On June 15 2015 03:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Nah, I think n00bKing's a townie. He's been decent at pressuring people although he's pretty bossy and gives way too much advice. Not to mention his posts are super wordy. Either way, I still think Rels/Sulfurus deserve another look. When Rels comes back, we should ask him to defend himself against Trfel's points. We should be able to get a read on the defense. On June 15 2015 04:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Okay, did a reading of n00bKing and I don't think he's Mafia.
Personality read: Likes to be in control, dislikes change, rather bossy. As can be evidenced in his posts lamenting changes in people's opinion, how he gives so much advice, and how he always tries and tell people what to do. I think his personality is what affects so much of his posting which is why most of it is convoluted and he feels the need to pursue even the trivial. Like really? Arguing with batsnacks over "advice"?
Town read: Very consistent. At the start, yes he floods the thread with advice, but when he starts pressuring people, he remains consistent. It seems that he suspected batsnacks, me, and Plants at the start for our behavior and strange post(s). As the game continues and even to this very point, he has been pressuring me and batsnacks and has remained consistent in doing so.
In fact, this may be his downfall more than most. While it seems that he agrees that Rels/Sulf exhibit suspicious behavior, he still seems intent on finding ways to bring me and batsnacks down per how he read us at the very start of the thread. As for other people's posts, he seems content to question a couple but mostly agree or add on to their posts.
Conclusion: n00bking's filter just shows consistency in what he's been doing. He gets caught in the trivial, he's bossy, and he gave a bit too much advice at the start, but he is definitely a townie that's trying to catch the Mafia. 4. This post where I make the theory that moosy is using noobking's legacy to push his own case, even though it's not the same. 5. He was very wishy washy day 1, and argumented it was his style. Then night 1 and day 2 he changed pretty hardly and is now pushing ruxxar hard for my lynch. + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 09:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 09:14 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 09:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:
@Rels, any comments on my posts? Still confused why you don't think I'm townie. OK sorry in advance, but in my mind it's actually pretty good where you're at. I was so sure you were mafia with your first post that me imagining you at null read is a pretty good deal. When I made this post with the two points I was thinking I was going to destroy you. I think I was clouded by my first impression of you. You won't ever be a town lean in my mind until you either make a case on someone and defend it, or sheep a case on someone and explain why. Not taking stances = I can't judge you 100%. Unfortunately I'm trying to be careful with my vote so it looks like that won't happen anytime soon. -.- At least I'm glad to see you're finally starting to realize I'm a townie. On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary. Reasons that he could be town: 1. He posts questions to people, but contrary to scott, he follows up with analysis of the answer. He shows a willingness to solve the game, or at least he's faking that willingness. 2. Didn't solely sheep the cases on me, but made his own. OK, the points are not clear, but he worked on it. He even addressed a point nobody else did: the fact that I wasn't that much engaged on a geript's lynch. + Show Spoiler +On June 15 2015 05:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:Okay, I started reading filters and I especially looked at Rels/Sulfurus as people have been implying. I REALLY think they're both Mafia. Rels first comes into the thread and directs all attention to the passive posts from both me and Fake)Plants. + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:OK I finally found a mafia. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 14:01 Fake)Plants wrote:Lying is a powerful tool that when used in the right situation can greatly benefit one's interests. I really don't like this idea from ruX. If town lies and gets lynched then what information did that townie provide? Are you trying to lure out mafia by lying? Mafia has more information at the beginning and can utilize lying better than town, especially if it comes from a townie. Sorry for being late to the thread, I did not check TL the last couple of days after I thought someone else beat me to a newbie slot. Good to be here! First post of his. Next to last to enter the thread. Just fluff on the first paragraph. What is really scum is the second paragraph. Two points: - He enter the thread late and feels he needs to post an excuse. To me, he had the mindset of entering the thread without saying anything, and apologizing so people like him. - His excuse is false. We all had to confirm yesterday, so that's not possible that he did not check TL the last couple of days, or that he believed that someone else took his spot. Then he tries to switch the case onto me-geript-batsnacks which is the next best scapegoat from a newbie who only posted once and never again. Not only that, but notice how he attempts to bring this under the light while trying to cover for Sulfurus who is beginning to become suspected. + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 07:29 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:22 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2015 07:19 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:Rels1. Lots of early posts with no content, only purpose is to make it seem like he's doing stuff + Show Spoiler +1. Completely useless "hi" post ~10 hours after the game started, not necessary at all. 2. "LOL" in response to ruXxar's contradiction, no conclusion about his alignment at all* 3. Asks a question to ruXxar (still nothing about ruXxar's alignment) 4. Says that MoosyDoosy's first post is weird* 5. Tells n00bKing not to defend ruXxar* 6. Asks a question to Sulfurus* 7. Repeats one of Oatsmaster's comments* The things with asterisks had been said by someone else before Rels commented on them. Then he (finally) posts his case on Fake)Plants. On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
OK I finally found a mafia. And by doing this shows that all of his previous posts amount to very little. There's really no reason for Rels to post like this, it serves no purpose for scumhunting or confirming his own alignment. All it does is make it look like he's doing work, but repeating things that have already been said isn't even work. 2. Makes a case on the easiest possible target + Show Spoiler +Fake)Plants only had one post.
Rels just continues to talk about this post, spending many, many posts directing people back to it. He's not showing any interest in anything else that's happening. 3. Townread on ruXxar + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.
So. What do you think of plants first and only post ? Rels thinks that ruXxar is town for making a post with no content at all. RuXxar made a post saying that MoosyDoosy's defense of himself is really good, and then Rels townreads ruXxar for this. RuXxar's inability to defend himself but willingness to jump on someone else's defense of him is extremely scummy, and reminds me of ShoCkeyy in my last game. There is absolutely no reason for Rels to townread ruXxar because of this post. Furthermore, he agrees that we shouldn't let the mafia stay silent. And he does this by asking his townread about the only other read he's made in this game, and then vanishing. Not actually acting on this whatsoever. Oh hey good timing. I really disagree on the easy target. I have no idea who is mafia between geript bat and moosy, if any. On the other hand the entrance post of plants was and still is super bad. And I don't care for IRL wifom, a lie is a lie. So it sounds like you have been thru the thread. Any other thoughts? I have strong town reads on wos and KS. I have town reads on ruxxar, oats and trfel. I really want to like Sulfu as he had the same attitude of "not posting a lot but ask question" last game, and he was town. But I think he has less than 5 posts atm, that's really not a lot. Everybody I have not talk about I have either no read or mafia lean. It's especially hard on the moosy - geript - bats situation. I don't like moosy for : - his first post - his multiple times stating he is a newbie But geript's reasoning for voting him is super bad. And batsnacks' one is so weird, involving double bus at one point. Well. Here is my brain atm. Then he tries to make a case on me once people tell him me-geript-batsnacks was never a thing. + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 08:25 Rels wrote:Fuck I was making a case on you moosy but reading your filter a lot of my points are false. Like I was saying you kept repeating that you were newb. Actually it's not true. I still have two things left in my suspicion of you, so could you please comment on them. First pointYou don't take any stand. Not against me nor anyone else. More than that, a few hours ago, you discussed people you wanted to make a case on but you're still undecided. In particular what is this post: Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 05:44 Kickstart wrote:On June 13 2015 05:42 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 05:40 geript wrote:
~7 hours batty Okay I can't dick around anymore. Please help me not get lynched, I require written instructions for how to get people to unvote me. Push someone who you think is actually scum then???????? Just a though~ What do I do if I don't have any scum reads? In a sense almost no one has scum reads because I'm town and the only people pushing stuff are pushing me. Here's would lynch: 3)MoosyDoosy 4)Sulfurus 7)Fake)Plants 2)batsnacks 3)Trfel here's idk can't form opinion: 6)damdred 1)Rels 4)WaveofShadow 5)geript 5)ruXxar Here's would not lynch: 2)n00bKing 1)Kickstart 6)Oatsmaster HELP Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case. I hate that you are giving him targets on the basis of "you only need to convince two guys for those targets". Almost look like you want him to make a case, join him, and push the blame on him later. I also hate this sentence: "Sulfurus looks easiest is you want to make a case." Go make one yourself if you're so confident. Plus, you make this post to the guy voting you. Really, I liked your filter way than expected, but I hate this post. Second pointI find it weird that you say the following: newbie must be on mafia team, because otherwise they would have pushed on my first post. I find it weird that you felt the need to say it, against a super weak attack ("mafia should have pushed this post and didn't so moosy is mafia", more or less). Here are the posts I'm talking about: Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 11:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yo, also keep in mind a newbie might be Mafia which is why he's not jumping on my post. Seems like something Mafia should do from reading the guide. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 03:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 03:34 geript wrote:
Nah. It'd be pretty odd if there wasn't at least 1 veteran on the mafia team. I'm re-reading posts right now to make a list, but the veteran(s) had to be inactive at the start to not point it out. On the other hand, any newbie might be the Mafia. After this, he leaves the thread for a bit and posts a list of people he suspects in order to pretend to be active. Then WaveofShadow, Oats, and me begin to defend batsnacks whereupon a case begins to form around geript and Sulfurus. Rels decides upon lynching geript and not Sulfurus. Note that before this he is also defending Sulfurus by saying he played the same way in "the previous game". However, batsnacks provided several examples where Sulfurus was providing better critical analysis whereupon Rels is forced to remain quiet. + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote:
Alright I have to go. I will check from my phone from time to time. For now my vote is on geript. May switch to Damdred if he keeps on lurking.
If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.
##Vote geript As Trfel already pointed out, Rels also does not really seem to support this vote as he already knows who Mafia REALLY is. + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 01:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 00:58 geript wrote:
It was a good reason tho. I remember thinking that. Yo geript. If you ever remember that reason I'll be super interested, as I hated plants' only post. Please answer this post: Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 19:22 Rels wrote:Geript could you expand on two things when you come back ? 1On June 13 2015 03:08 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game) This post is pretty bad. On June 12 2015 10:30 Kickstart wrote:
Because I've had the urge to troll you since I came back to playing mafia Oats. I can't help myself. Don't worry though the 2 scums atm are ruxxar and sulfurus so you are not in my tunnel atm. [...] Oooh Damdred replaced in. That guy's town 100%. ezpz. On June 13 2015 06:41 geript wrote:
Nah. Damdred is 100% town. He's gotten pretty easy to read. It's pretty cool that you can read damdred (= but this game he's impossible for to read atm due to lack of posts. Were you saying that if he's town you're going to know it for sure later ? And do you read damdred town right now ? 2On June 13 2015 06:56 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 06:47 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 06:47 geript wrote:
Wave not making association cases would be far more concerning. Not a fan of trfel Why don't you like Trfel? Not really something something I can put my finger on. Feels I guess. Maybe my impression of his meta is off from his actual meta since I don't think I've played a game with him for a bit. [...] I would be super interested if you took the time to reread Trfel's past game with you and expand on that. If you don't have the time to do that, could you at least try to explain this more ? And from this point, Rels disappears, never addresses Trfel's point and he never really answered any other questions as well. I'm curious to see his response when he comes back although I believe a strong case can be made against both Rels and Sulfurus as a team of Mafia. 3. WOS, one of my town hard read, has a hard read on moosy. Quoted in the spoiler. + Show Spoiler +On June 15 2015 03:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
Moosydoosy
For all of the reasons I've stated previously. Moosy's play has just been extremely consistent with a very new player overall. Yes it is POSSIBLE scum can replicate this, but not without messing up somewhere down the line and certainly not with this level of activity. (The caveat here which might have to be looked into eventually that I find kind of interesting is this 'bait' he pulled off recently. Is a Moosy who is so nooby as to not realize geript flipped town for example, able to pull off a play like that? Food for thought, but not tomorrow.)
At the end of the day, I find that his wishy washiness disappeared a little bit too fast when he started pushing me hard. So I'm not definite he's scum, but if I was at LYLO with him and anyone other than Kickstart and scott, I would lynch him. Conclusion: Mafia lean
1. Newbie post. I know you hate me saying it, but it is a newbie post. As a note, I was interested in finding out their perspectives which is why I asked. I would understand if it was a completely empty and passive post, but I was trying to get in on the conversation, and it's enough that you keep harping on it after this long.
2. I was attempting to help my fellow newbies escape a mislynch based on their first posts like you seem intent on doing with my first post.
3. Someone said that we should look at n00bKing which the first quote was a response to. That someone (I think Damdred?) then asked for reasoning which I provided with second quote. So it wasn't me trying to associate with n00bKing but me answering someone's questions and replying to that someone.
4. Yeh, that's already refuted because I felt it was safer to assume that the person with more cases against him was Mafia.
5. I figured it was time to take movement. I'm still a passive player, but you can still see hints of that aggression in my defense in Day 1. I was also uncertain if ruXxar was a Mafia or not which is what I was pressuring him for. I wasn't pressuring him to lynch you two (he said he would, but backed out of it just as fast) but I was trying to see if I could get a slip to know if he's Mafia or not. I'm still not sure about it, but his defense was terrible and he ran away at the end.
Does that answer your points or would you like specifics?
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Also Rels I'd like you to take a look at this.
On June 15 2015 11:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol also this moosy vs ruxxar business.
I gotta say moosy you're scaring me a little because if I'm going to get burned by one of you it looks like you'd be the one. I can visibly see you improving in the middle of this game and part of me wonders if it's because you were sandbagging all along.
On June 15 2015 11:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 11:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol also this moosy vs ruxxar business.
I gotta say moosy you're scaring me a little because if I'm going to get burned by one of you it looks like you'd be the one. I can visibly see you improving in the middle of this game and part of me wonders if it's because you were sandbagging all along. ^.^ Nah. idk if you'll necessarily trust me since this is a game of Mafia, but I'm not scum. Either way, thanks for the compliment. The only reason why I've been improving this much is because I have a whole host of role models and examples in this thread to look at.
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If I'm still Mafia in your mind after all that, then there's nothing I can do about it at that point because I've already refuted all your points unless you have any more.
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On June 16 2015 08:32 ruXxar wrote:
I have to say I don't mind the Ks train.
I think ks and moosy are highly likely to be together.
I'd just like to point out another associative case. Man, am I getting tired of you hounding me ruXxar. All of your points have been useless so far and you've been hopping on and off wagons like it's your job.
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On June 16 2015 08:57 Trfel wrote:
Despite how Kickstart has been playing lately, the ease at which his wagon is gathering steam is somewhat concerning to me...
Yeah, what exactly are you people lynching Kickstart for? A few directions or quotes would be nice.
Also, may I also point out ruXxar's complete willingness to hop on this wagon as well as his associative case again?
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On June 16 2015 09:00 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 08:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 16 2015 08:32 ruXxar wrote:
I have to say I don't mind the Ks train.
I think ks and moosy are highly likely to be together. I'd just like to point out another associative case. Man, am I getting tired of you hounding me ruXxar. All of your points have been useless so far and you've been hopping on and off wagons like it's your job. Don't worry baby, you also have a seat.
I'd rather not walk onto the Mafia train.
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On June 16 2015 09:03 ruXxar wrote:
It's funny to see all these people jumping out of the woodwork to defend kickstart.
*grabs popcorn*
This is a terrible post. We're asking for points against Kickstart because all I see is people deciding to kill him out of nowhere. If you find it so strange, then you might want to look at your behavior with Sulfurus.
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On June 16 2015 09:07 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 16 2015 09:03 ruXxar wrote:
It's funny to see all these people jumping out of the woodwork to defend kickstart.
*grabs popcorn* This is a terrible post. We're asking for points against Kickstart because all I see is people deciding to kill him out of nowhere. If you find it so strange, then you might want to look at your behavior with Sulfurus. Seems like we hit the right nerve. #Productive.
^ This is an even worse post. You're trying to make it seem like your post was bait when it wasn't even intended that way. Keep them terrible posts coming ruXxar, and while you're on that, make more associative cases and jump on more wagons. Don't forget that you had the same behavior with Sulfurus, so we might have to look into that bb.
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Alright I'm out. If ruXxar's going to continue to be a shit there's no point in being here.
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On June 16 2015 09:13 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Alright I'm out. If ruXxar's going to continue to be a shit there's no point in being here. You aren't even responding to,actual problems that are being shown
Then please point out these actual problems so that I can be productive than wasting time on ruXxar.
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On June 16 2015 09:19 Damdred wrote:
If someone keeps promising activity when ever attention is given to them. Dissapears when thread looks everywhere and,never fulfills promise it a scummy
Then can Kickstart respond to this rather than continuing to promise more activity and/or provide a solid argument?
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On June 16 2015 09:22 Trfel wrote:
Why does no one want to talk to me about scott31337?
I feel it's similar to behavior from Sulfurus and Kickstart. All three promise to post more and provide more content on some level but always give little content, end up on wagons, and disappear for some lengths of time unless directly referred to.
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Yah, you still mispelled my name bud. ^
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On June 16 2015 16:50 Trfel wrote:Kickstart from Start of Day 21. Excuses instead of scumhunting + Show Spoiler +I've said this before. I can't emphasize how important this is. He's been lurking and posting "I'm not scum, I'm a mislynch" instead of explaining why he isn't scum or doing actual scumhunting. This isn't a townie mindset at all. 2. Inconsistency with regards to cop check on himself + Show Spoiler +On June 15 2015 09:18 Kickstart wrote:
Cop check on me is only useful in confirming im town. I am not mafia nor is anyone really suspicious of me of being mafia from what I can tell, aside from being somewhat concerned over my afkness, cop should check someone that they think will turn up red. You are awfully concerned with what blue roles we have and what they do and you are quite wrong in what actions they should be taking. Let the blue roles play their roles and stop trying to direct them into bad plays or outing themselves. On June 16 2015 08:07 Kickstart wrote:
Ill be a misslynch guys, if you are that concerned wait for a cop check or something. Should just lynch sulfurus like you were supposed to day 1.
##Unvote
##Vote Sulfuras Hm, what caused the change? He says that a cop check on himself is bad because he is town, but then says that he shouldn't be lynched until he gets cop checked. I don't think I should need to say why this is incorrect, but here goes anyway: 1. If he is in fact town, the cop check comes back green, and it's generally not good for the cop to claim a green check 2. There might not even be a cop 3. Imagine if everyone was given the right to wait for a cop check instead of getting lynched This isn't townie at all, he's making reasons to not lynch him that he knows are bad and that he already directly contradicted. 3. Read progression + Show Spoiler +On June 15 2015 07:17 Kickstart wrote:
Originally was suspicious mainly of ruxx and sulf. Sulf still scummy ruxx not so much. Hate to just come in and agree with thread sentiment but rels is scummy as well. Tbh I just skimmed through most of the EoD and the night stuff though.
This is Kickstart's first post back. And he didn't give a single reason for these reads. On June 15 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
meant to go ahead and vote.
##Vote Rels Adds a vote on Rels. On June 16 2015 08:07 Kickstart wrote:
Ill be a misslynch guys, if you are that concerned wait for a cop check or something. Should just lynch sulfurus like you were supposed to day 1.
##Unvote
##Vote Sulfuras And then he switched his vote to Sulfurus, with no reason at all? What happened to Rels? His wagon lost momentum. But Kickstart doesn't say why he doesn't want to lynch Rels any more, he doesn't say why Sulfurus is scummy until much later. He's not interested in actually pushing Sulfurus, but complaining about getting lynched for false reasons and inactivity. I don't see him being interested in catching scum. His read on ruXxar doesn't make any sense. It's in these two posts. On June 16 2015 11:08 Kickstart wrote:
The people who are extremely interested in starting this wagon on me are damdred and ruxxar it seems. Damdred I don't know how to read because he did this same retarded shit last game and was town so I don't know. Ruxxar has been scummy all game. Going through Ruxxars filter he is literally all over the place. From weird asoociated cases that make no sense, to saying sulfuras is scum to then saying if sulfuras flips red town can go ahead and lynch him next (first he is sure sulf is scum then few posts later he is sure he is town). It doesn't make any sense. Parts of his filter seem reasonable but then others he is just way out there. Checked to see if there were any shenanis from him around the grept lynch but his vote is just as weird as anyone elses. He did a complete 180 on his bats read though but not sure that indicates much. On June 16 2015 11:11 Kickstart wrote:
ebwop: should clarify that while ruxxar being all over the place is concerning, I think it could also be typical of a new town player trying to figure things out. So while some of his actions are suspect, I think sulfurus has been more scummy in that I dont get that same feeling from his posting. "So, ruXxar is scummy for all of these reasons. Oh wait, but this could also be a new town player. Sulfurus is scum though because I don't feel he's a new town player trying to figure things out." ..... That said, his read on Oatsmaster isn't inherently bad, though I disagree with it.
That second point is looking very indicative that Kickstart is Mafia.
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By "save town" Sulfurus has to mean either Rels or ruXxar which is why he's voting for Kickstart. He's also saying that Oats is the Mafia that no one would expect and who would win the game.
Overall, I don't know what to make of that post. It's so weird and I don't follow his thought process at all. Also doesn't help that he stops posting after contributing once
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On June 17 2015 04:36 batsnacks wrote:
People jumped on the kickstart wagon for bad reasons in general. Trfel's case was the most reasonable thing said about kickstart and even people who are sheeping it are sheeping the weaker points in the case e.g. Cop check comments. I mean kickstart is scummy as hell but the wagon feels wrong.
I agree with this post the most. Trfel made some good points but I don't see any other reason to immediately start wagoning on Kickstart.
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The question is whether we lynch the guy who posts weird shit and leaves for a day or the guy who wagons on everything and posts weird shit but can be given a newbie pass.
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On June 17 2015 04:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 04:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The question is whether we lynch the guy who posts weird shit and leaves for a day or the guy who wagons on everything and posts weird shit but can be given a newbie pass. Why are you on Rels?
Oh. I forgot to unvote. Thanks
##unvote Rels
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eh, WaveofShadow, do you think we should lynch Sulfurus or ruXxar first?
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On June 17 2015 05:01 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 04:55 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 17 2015 04:54 ruXxar wrote:On June 17 2015 03:57 Sulfurus wrote:On June 16 2015 19:25 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2015 15:32 Sulfurus wrote:K I just realized that Oats is scummy. I looked through his filter and minus the fluff it's just him asking questions (interspersed with attempts to discredit towny posts) Now I'm sure n00b would be quick to remind me that asking questions is actually towny as it provides valuable scum hunting information But even if Oats has gotten anything from his posts he hasn't actually provided any of it to the thread in fact it's likely that his questions are helping mafia more then town. ##Vote: Oatsmaster What do you think about kickstart ? Sorry if I didn't make myself clear but this is the exact problem I was trying to fix. You see Oats is mafia but not the one you have been looking for because you guys have been too tunnel visioned on Kicks.Anyway I still think Kicks is mafia and will switch my vote to him to save a town but if there is a mafia we will lose to it will probably be Oats What in the world is this crap of a post ?! Once again you're making my brain hurt. Can you for once just try to be clear in what you're saying and why you're saying it?!
I want to believe that you're just a bad townie but you're really stretching it here. Also also, add the bolded to the fact that he's trying to talk about something that has been concluded already and we have scummmmyyyyyyy I've pointed that out way way before you started talking about it. So please, don't pull that crap on me. Don't try to pretend that you forgot.
Actually, we finished talking about Sulfurus's weird post before you came. What you posted was a reiteration of what we posted.
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On June 17 2015 05:00 Damdred wrote:
I thought rels was town though.
But that post just is weird to me anytime someone calls someone an easy mislynch or town for no reason bothers mr
I think Rels should take another look at their filters when he has time. Should at least change his mind somewhat or else it has to be a case of TMI.
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On June 17 2015 05:08 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 05:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 17 2015 05:01 ruXxar wrote:On June 17 2015 04:55 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 17 2015 04:54 ruXxar wrote:On June 17 2015 03:57 Sulfurus wrote:On June 16 2015 19:25 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2015 15:32 Sulfurus wrote:K I just realized that Oats is scummy. I looked through his filter and minus the fluff it's just him asking questions (interspersed with attempts to discredit towny posts) Now I'm sure n00b would be quick to remind me that asking questions is actually towny as it provides valuable scum hunting information But even if Oats has gotten anything from his posts he hasn't actually provided any of it to the thread in fact it's likely that his questions are helping mafia more then town. ##Vote: Oatsmaster What do you think about kickstart ? Sorry if I didn't make myself clear but this is the exact problem I was trying to fix. You see Oats is mafia but not the one you have been looking for because you guys have been too tunnel visioned on Kicks.Anyway I still think Kicks is mafia and will switch my vote to him to save a town but if there is a mafia we will lose to it will probably be Oats What in the world is this crap of a post ?! Once again you're making my brain hurt. Can you for once just try to be clear in what you're saying and why you're saying it?!
I want to believe that you're just a bad townie but you're really stretching it here. Also also, add the bolded to the fact that he's trying to talk about something that has been concluded already and we have scummmmyyyyyyy I've pointed that out way way before you started talking about it. So please, don't pull that crap on me. Don't try to pretend that you forgot. Actually, we finished talking about Sulfurus's weird post before you came. What you posted was a reiteration of what we posted. Correction: you talked about it while I was away. I was not satisfied with the result so I wanted to push it further.
Also, to let you know, he did answer....somewhat....
On June 17 2015 04:52 Sulfurus wrote:
I do think Kicks is mafia I just didn't think there was any point in talking about him if we are going to lynch him anyway. Although apparently I was wrong about thread sentiment since you guys aren't going to lynch him so there's my mistake.
If you want to call my posts 'bad' counter me on my Oats case since that is what my posts are about (especially Scott who called it horrible before providing his own case on Oats).
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Sulfurus's post basically reveals that he would have only lynched Kickstart if everyone else was going to. This basically shows that he's only willing to vote on wagons and never by himself. This correlates to the rest of his play which is disturbing because Mafia generally wishes to follow easy wagons.
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On June 17 2015 05:12 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 04:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 17 2015 04:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 17 2015 04:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The question is whether we lynch the guy who posts weird shit and leaves for a day or the guy who wagons on everything and posts weird shit but can be given a newbie pass. Why are you on Rels? Oh. I forgot to unvote. Thanks ##unvote Rels Heh... Looking at your filter I see you pushing Rels hard all day. I want to know what made you change your mind.
Heh...
Looking at your filter I see you jumping on wagons all game.
I want to know what made you change your mind in all of them.
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On June 17 2015 05:20 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 05:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus's post basically reveals that he would have only lynched Kickstart if everyone else was going to. This basically shows that he's only willing to vote on wagons and never by himself. This correlates to the rest of his play which is disturbing because Mafia generally wishes to follow easy wagons. This is Extremely false: Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 Sulfurus wrote:
If it wasn't clear I would lynch trfel and I shouldn't have ignored him just for voting bats. Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 15:32 Sulfurus wrote:
K I just realized that Oats is scummy.
##Vote: Oatsmaster I'm also getting tired of your bandwagon argument in every post you make. Do you have anything new to come up with?
Do I have anything new to come up with? No, because I like being consistent unlike a certain someone whose viewpoint changes with every couple of posts they make.
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On June 17 2015 05:40 ruXxar wrote:
I just want to say to everyone that I'm a very passive person in real life.
Playing mafia makes me feel so bad because I have to treat a lot of people like shit -_-.
It feels very wrong.
I hope you don't take anything I say personally moosy.
Offense taken. My goal is to take you down in this game no matter what.
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On June 17 2015 05:51 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 05:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 17 2015 05:40 ruXxar wrote:
I just want to say to everyone that I'm a very passive person in real life.
Playing mafia makes me feel so bad because I have to treat a lot of people like shit -_-.
It feels very wrong.
I hope you don't take anything I say personally moosy. Offense taken. My goal is to take you down in this game no matter what. Dude please don't make it personal.
I won't with anyone else in the thread.
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On June 17 2015 05:53 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 05:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 17 2015 05:40 ruXxar wrote:
I just want to say to everyone that I'm a very passive person in real life.
Playing mafia makes me feel so bad because I have to treat a lot of people like shit -_-.
It feels very wrong.
I hope you don't take anything I say personally moosy. Offense taken. My goal is to take you down in this game no matter what. What. You want to create a bad town atmosphere ? You re not willing to re evaluate all game ?
I'll re-evaluate but I won't consider ruXxar seriously. Feel free to talk or ask me questions and I'll answer.
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On June 17 2015 06:00 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 05:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 17 2015 05:53 Rels wrote:On June 17 2015 05:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 17 2015 05:40 ruXxar wrote:
I just want to say to everyone that I'm a very passive person in real life.
Playing mafia makes me feel so bad because I have to treat a lot of people like shit -_-.
It feels very wrong.
I hope you don't take anything I say personally moosy. Offense taken. My goal is to take you down in this game no matter what. What. You want to create a bad town atmosphere ? You re not willing to re evaluate all game ? I'll re-evaluate but I won't consider ruXxar seriously. Feel free to talk or ask me questions and I'll answer. Do you feel insulted by ruxxar's posts ?
Yes. Everyone has questioned me with reasonable arguments and always have a basis underneath their arguments. All of ruXxar's posts directed at me are attempts to needle me which I'm reflecting back at him with the "wagon" argument he so seems to hate. When I try to get productive discussion going or defend myself, he doesn't respond adequately and responds with #Productive or or "baby" which are all attempts to rankle me. I've tried to be productive with him, but if that's going to be his attitude, so be it and I'll ignore him.
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On June 17 2015 05:58 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 05:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 17 2015 05:51 Sulfurus wrote:On June 17 2015 05:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 17 2015 05:40 ruXxar wrote:
I just want to say to everyone that I'm a very passive person in real life.
Playing mafia makes me feel so bad because I have to treat a lot of people like shit -_-.
It feels very wrong.
I hope you don't take anything I say personally moosy. Offense taken. My goal is to take you down in this game no matter what. Dude please don't make it personal. I won't with anyone else in the thread. Your basically telling us that everything you are going to say about ruXx is biased and should be thrown out.
No, I'll still likely find flaws in ruXxar's posts because they're all over the place and will still point out his wagoning, just that I'll be paying extra attention to him the whole game.
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@FecalFeast, you finally got my name right!
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On June 17 2015 06:02 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 05:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 17 2015 05:53 Rels wrote:On June 17 2015 05:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 17 2015 05:40 ruXxar wrote:
I just want to say to everyone that I'm a very passive person in real life.
Playing mafia makes me feel so bad because I have to treat a lot of people like shit -_-.
It feels very wrong.
I hope you don't take anything I say personally moosy. Offense taken. My goal is to take you down in this game no matter what. What. You want to create a bad town atmosphere ? You re not willing to re evaluate all game ? I'll re-evaluate but I won't consider ruXxar seriously. Feel free to talk or ask me questions and I'll answer. I honestly don't care how you feel about me as long as you answer this post: Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 05:35 ruXxar wrote:On June 17 2015 05:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 17 2015 05:12 ruXxar wrote:On June 17 2015 04:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 17 2015 04:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 17 2015 04:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The question is whether we lynch the guy who posts weird shit and leaves for a day or the guy who wagons on everything and posts weird shit but can be given a newbie pass. Why are you on Rels? Oh. I forgot to unvote. Thanks ##unvote Rels Heh... Looking at your filter I see you pushing Rels hard all day. I want to know what made you change your mind. Heh... Looking at your filter I see you jumping on wagons all game. I want to know what made you change your mind in all of them. I will if you explain your change on Rels. Make your argument, then name the cases in which I changed my vote and I'll answer all of them no problem.
You should care if you're a townie. The goal of this game is to catch Mafia. If you're not willing to care about town atmosphere then you're either hurting the town or you're Mafia.
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On June 17 2015 06:17 batsnacks wrote:
Dude wtf ruxxar giving me cold feet with his feels.
What do you mean by this?
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Repeatedly fishy play, anti-town at best, Mafia at worst. Interesting of him to point out Oatsmaster, but Oats remains a town read for me so I'm going to vote against Sulfurus.
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I also remember someone saying veterans generally hate playing Mafia. If that's the case, does Oatsmaster's attitude reflect this? (Question oriented towards the vets)
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On June 17 2015 06:27 batsnacks wrote:
I'm like 75% sure scott is mafia and that's a really high number.
I think sticking with Sulfurus would be the better choice.
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On June 17 2015 06:27 Kickstart wrote:
I'm not sure what to think of his current not voting me really. My confirmation bias just wants to assume that he thinks he is going to get lynched so thus if he votes me to try and save himself but flips anyways and is scum he kind of confirms me town. But given that I am a possible mislynch and regardless of if sulf was lynched today he is very liekly to be lynched upcoming cycles, for all this I read it as going down and not giving information. By not voting me to save himself he doesnt auto confirm me as town if he flips red saving mafia the opportunity to get a mislynch on me, which seems to be their goal atm.
If he switches, it's an almost clear sign he's Mafia. His best bet is for scott to come to his rescue. It might also just be a case of Sulfurus leaving after his couple of posts so he hasn't seen what's happening.
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Glad to see you made the deadline Trfel.
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On June 17 2015 06:43 scott31337 wrote:
Grrr I haven't like KS all game - his wall of text isn't that great but it's something....I like who's on Sulfurs better, but the last three times I've used that suggestion, Its because the mafia were on the other side and enough townies on the ML anyway
I'm going with KS.
Wait, you're going with KS? Why not Sulfurus? Guys, I hate to be that associative case guy, but this might lead us into the right direction once we find out what alignment Sulfurus was...
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On June 17 2015 06:47 batsnacks wrote:
Shenanies onto scott?
Wait until after Sulfurus man. XD Stop being so antsy.
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oh damn, Sulfurus switched to Kickstart. I think we all know what this means.
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On June 17 2015 06:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ehhh I think stay the course.
If we fuck up we lose KS
We can still make a case afterwards too. I'm pretty sure Sulfurus is Mafia at this point looking at dat ninja.
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On June 17 2015 06:51 Trfel wrote:Why is this game so hard
It is a lot harder right? I was wondering if this was standard TL Mafia. Wondered why you guys stood up for this every game. I would be beyond stressed.
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On June 17 2015 06:52 Kickstart wrote:
Err whats up to date vote-count I cba to figure it out. Did sulfurus ninja onto me but me as lynch and scott onto sulfurus him? or was sulfurus getting lynched with or withotu scotts vote?
You're fine, scott got pressured into switching onto Sulfurus, and Trfel is on Sulfurus too. Sul tried to ninja onto you but it didn't work out.
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On June 17 2015 06:55 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 06:52 Sulfurus wrote:
K before I die:
4 lynches
Oatsmaster
Kickstarter
Batsnacks
MoosyDoosy
If I don't get lynched: Scott31337
Top town
Rels I've agreed with 3 of those lynches throughout the game. In order : Bats -> Moosy -> Kickstarter
You've agreed to lynch a lot more people than that, so the fact you're agreeing with him doesn't matter at all.
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On June 17 2015 06:57 Kickstart wrote:
Inb4 sulf flips red and is trying to save oats with his "oats is 100% scum" reverse trickery.
inb4 Oats is town.
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On June 17 2015 06:57 ruXxar wrote:
I feel we're about to commit a terrible mistake here.
Like you did with geript? Oh wait, the person expressing doubt was me. Oh wellz...
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cop go to town with your checks
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On June 17 2015 07:13 ruXxar wrote:
Well.
Since he flipped mafia I'm sticking to the list I posted earlier.
These people are not mafia :
Bats
Moosy
I'm still shocked you thought I was Mafia prior.
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I'd just like to remind everyone of n00bKing's epitaph. Keep that in mind.
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I don't understand. The whole time he's been suspecting Sulfurus and even votes against him at a critical point between batsnacks and him. It looks to me like you're quickly trying to get a wagon going which makes you more suspicious. You also haven't given any real points.
##vote ruXxar
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The critical point for anyone wondering.
On June 13 2015 10:30 Fecalfeast wrote:Oh fish ul Votecount Oatsmaster (0): KickstartruXxar (0): TrfelKickstart (0): SulfurusSulfurus (4): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow Batsnacks (5): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels scott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): RelsGeript (0): WaveofShadowRels (0): batsnacksNot Voting (4):MoosyDoosy Damdred scott11331373737373771317371373 Trfel Currently Batsnacks is set to be lynched with 5 votes!
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On June 13 2015 20:33 Onegu wrote:Oh fish ul Votecount Oatsmaster (0): KickstartruXxar (0): TrfelKickstart (0): SulfurusSulfurus (5): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373 Batsnacks (5): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfel scott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): RelsGeript (0): WaveofShadowRels (0): batsnacksNot Voting (3):MoosyDoosy Damdred Rels Currently Batsnacks is set to be lynched with 5 votes!
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Re-read his filter. He's been suspecting Sulfurus since the start and consistently. How are you going to explain that?
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If you guys want, I can also list all the instances where he suspects Sulfurus.
Like he's been super shady the last couple of pages, but re-reading his filter knowing that Sulfurus is Mafia just leads me to think he's a townie.
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On June 17 2015 08:12 ruXxar wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 09:49 scott31337 wrote:I want to re-read Sulf and Rels again among others. What would your reasons for this be? On June 17 2015 05:18 scott31337 wrote:Oatsmaster could be mafia Says he's VT in the first post (which is bad anyway, narrows down the blues) and then defends himself about his VT claim saying "Have you seen it done before?" (BTW, Onegu has done it before in XXX I believe) + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 10:26 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
Hi friends.
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.
aaaaaaaaaaaaand I don't like Oats for now! (kidding, mostly)
##Vote: Oatsmaster
why would you do this. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:42 batsnacks wrote:I'm going to make a quick and easy how to play town guide: - don't claim your role
- find exactly 1 person who you think is mafia
- say why this 1 person is mafia
- do not form reads based on unflipped associations e.g. player X AND player Y could be mafia together because Z.
1. Im vt. 2. Bats is mafia. 3. Chezinu rule. ##vote Bats On June 13 2015 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 21:55 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 21:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
But you dont want to convince me or Trfel?
Ok bats, quote 5 posts you think will help town lynch mafia.
So that does not include fluff and defensive posts.
I am actively trying to convince you and would be delighted if Trfel joined in. Trfel at the very least is scuming me for recent things. You, noob, and rux just didn't like my opening. Im sure you read the most recent Ver game where he caught at least one mafia because of a bad opening post. Tell me, why did you vote for the vt claim? You think that mafia somehow claims vt in one of the first few posts? Have you see that happen before? Switches his read on Bats fairly easily, doesn't mention the reason for switching to geript - bails + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 01:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im going to sleep.
Lynch geript.
Wants to go after Moosy now, even though he only mentions a joke post about him and nothing else + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Let's get moosy tmr On June 13 2015 01:12 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 01:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 13 2015 01:05 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 01:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 01:01 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 13 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 00:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.
##unvote
##vote moosygoosy So you're voting along with scum? Interesting. I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post. So now we base reads on what mafia was supposed to do and didnt? Dont like that at all. Dont like that you peaced out and dont care about the game either. You came back here and did nothing but defend yourself. You didnt scumhunt, you didnt advance the thread. Geript too btw. I kinda think noob is town because he just keeps on giving advice even after people tell him to stop. I don't feel like there's anything I need to defend against. But yeah I do like the idea of basing reads off of what mafia should and shouldn't do. That's why I'm voting moosegoose. And what exactly did I do to show I'm Mafia? I admit my first post was dumb of me but that was because I'm generally more of a passive poster. Besides, if you want to go along with basing reads off of what Mafia should and shouldn't do, shouldn't YOU be thinking of geript right now? He makes a post about how Mafia should act, leaves the thread after being accused of Mafia, and then does nothing to defend himself. You didn't do anything. It's what your scum mates did, or rather didn't do (push you). LOL So you're not even assuming the same thing Geript apparently did? Geript at least seemed to assume Moosy was town shitposting at first which would make scum jump on for an easy mislynch, but you think he's scum and ALSO think scum would bus him right off the bat? That's fucking horrible. Dude, wtf would the Mafias do that for. Shouldn't they try and help each other? LOL this post. Oh man. I would feel so silly if moose is mafia. Throws out lynching me with no explanation - I and others ask about it but never replies - what happened to Moosy? + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
I quite like lynching Scot. Meta reason for calling Damdred scum - still doesn't explain the reasoning on me + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 15:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Damdred didn't call me town, he's scum.
Also that completely pointless list post that has more townreads than scum reads.
Sulph / damdred mafia.
Scott also maybe. Goes back to Damdred without reason except for the above? + Show Spoiler +On June 16 2015 08:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont like this kickstart lynch, its coming up super fast and everyone is supporting it.
What happened to lynching ruxxar? I thought that was pretty good.
or damdred.
Oats asks a lot of questions without followup Follows the bandwagon of the thread until KS wants to be lynched Shit reasons for wanting to lynch me and Damdred Unsure what direction he wants to go if he's town Oats could be mafia. On June 16 2015 15:32 Sulfurus wrote:K I just realized that Oats is scummy. I looked through his filter and minus the fluff it's just him asking questions (interspersed with attempts to discredit towny posts) Now I'm sure n00b would be quick to remind me that asking questions is actually towny as it provides valuable scum hunting information But even if Oats has gotten anything from his posts he hasn't actually provided any of it to the thread in fact it's likely that his questions are helping mafia more then town. ##Vote: Oatsmaster On June 17 2015 06:52 Sulfurus wrote:
K before I die:
4 lynches
Oatsmaster
Kickstarter
Batsnacks
MoosyDoosy
If I don't get lynched: Scott31337
Top town
Rels On June 17 2015 06:55 Sulfurus wrote:
Also my lynch list is ordered (i.e. oats is top scum)
I'm not buying it until you explain why scott31337 went for Sulfurus early in the thread until now.
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I'm gonna look through filters but especially at the newbies. Makes sense that the Mafia team should have at least one more newbie or maybe consist of all newbies as geript suggested since no one really stopped Sulfurus from going on a rampage with scummy af posts.
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Aaaaall right guys, since you two clearly can't seem to make coherent arguments against each other, why not wait until others chip in?
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@WaveofShadow, the only reason ruXxar has not seriously been voted for this whole time is because half of us didn't take him seriously and the other half (you and me) were defending him as an overeager town.
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On June 17 2015 21:42 batsnacks wrote:
Remember when ruxxar voted on literally every wagon this game except sulfurus' wagon? That was pretty good too.
Wrong. After n00bKing's epitaph, he did say that Sulfurus was scum at one point. He even voted for Rels. So technically speaking, he was on every wagon. But when Rels showed up and defended himself and Sulfurus, ruXxar backed out of the wagon just as fast.
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On June 17 2015 15:55 Trfel wrote:
Oatsmaster, what do you think about MoosyDoosy?
Thoughts on this?
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Also another interesting Sulfurus + ruXxar interaction. Sulfurus is basically defending ruXxar from me here and trying to make people not take me seriously when it comes to ruXxar.
On June 17 2015 05:58 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 05:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 17 2015 05:51 Sulfurus wrote:On June 17 2015 05:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 17 2015 05:40 ruXxar wrote:
I just want to say to everyone that I'm a very passive person in real life.
Playing mafia makes me feel so bad because I have to treat a lot of people like shit -_-.
It feels very wrong.
I hope you don't take anything I say personally moosy. Offense taken. My goal is to take you down in this game no matter what. Dude please don't make it personal. I won't with anyone else in the thread. Your basically telling us that everything you are going to say about ruXx is biased and should be thrown out.
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On June 17 2015 23:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey at least im not dying tonight.
Either Trfel, me, or WaveofShadow are going to die.
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^ Admit it, you can tell.
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Despite the fact that I've been reading ruXxar as a Mafia like a madman, I'm still inclined to think he's a newbie for some reason. T.T Maybe it's the fact that he keeps on making mistakes like no Mafia should consistently do, but the same thing happened with Sulfurus. Thoughts from others?
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On June 18 2015 05:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oats
Kickstart
Rels
Damdred
Ruxxar
Scott
Trfel
Moosy
batsnacks
eh. Not a fan of this list, but I'm sure I'll be able to clear up any suspicions you have.
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On June 18 2015 05:56 Rels wrote:
Anyway, good night everyone (=
TODO list for tomorrow: vote analysis + ruxxar / Sulf association analysis.
Following WOS post, a thought poped in my head. Moosy, I think it was you that accused ruxxar for this day 1: the fact that ruxxar was voting batsnacks, then without explanation found batsnacks' case wonderful and sheeped / voted geript. If what WOS say is true, that may be an association between BS and ruxx.
Uh...what? I was basically defending ruXxar up until the point that he got it somehow into his head that I was Mafia. Even after that, I really didn't think he was Mafia and I still don't really think that he is Mafia. So I don't think I was the one to point that out although I know someone else definitely did.
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On June 18 2015 05:56 ruXxar wrote:
Moosy's posts that is.
Wait for him to write up a case.
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On June 18 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 06:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 18 2015 05:56 ruXxar wrote:
Moosy's posts that is. Wait for him to write up a case. Sounds like a perfect excuse to make some pizza, brb.
Woah you make pizza??
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On June 18 2015 05:44 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 05:40 Rels wrote:On June 17 2015 22:09 WaveofShadow wrote:And for the record I'm going to have to have a second look at ol' batsy. On June 17 2015 17:46 Rels wrote:I also had a thought about batsnacks while sleeping. Two days in a row, he was pretty suspicious of Sulfu, but tried to deflect the lynch from him at EOD. The first day he succeded with a geript case: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. The second day he proposed to switch to scott. Of course he said it jokingly, so we can't know if it's a joke or a disguised attempt. But the fact is that he repeated it several times in the last hour of the day: On June 17 2015 06:19 batsnacks wrote:On June 17 2015 06:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 17 2015 06:17 batsnacks wrote:
Dude wtf ruxxar giving me cold feet with his feels. What do you mean by this? It means I'm about to vote sulfur and hate myself for it. Unless anyone but me wants to lynch scott which doesn't seem to be the case. On June 17 2015 06:27 batsnacks wrote:
I'm like 75% sure scott is mafia and that's a really high number. On June 17 2015 06:47 batsnacks wrote:
Shenanies onto scott? On June 17 2015 06:49 batsnacks wrote:
I really, really want to vote scott. On June 17 2015 07:17 batsnacks wrote:
Glad we didn't lynch scott, he's probably just a lowly goon. I admit the last one made me laugh. (= That's not a case, just an observation for future days. Some of this actually started to get me thinking, even though it would require some of the ballsiest scumplay I've ever seen to blatantly attempt to shenanigan a lynch off a scummate at EOD. When combined with D1 stuff it makes things very unlikely but then again On June 15 2015 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also i have been in a game where day 1 was between 2 scum.
So meh, not a point I want to believe it's as easy as ruxxar/rels (as the likely final newbies) but blehhhh. ACTUALLY Oats making tons of sense in his last few posts I wonder if that quote was TMI Ugh this game On June 18 2015 05:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oats
Kickstart
Rels
Damdred
Ruxxar
Scott
Trfel
Moosy
batsnacks Now that you went on the offensive, I think you should say your reasons before deadline, in case you're killed. Not much time Moosy has completely lost the newbie feels I got from him at the start of the game and has been playing extremely shrewdly. I'm not 100% on him but he needs ot be looked into in detail tomrorow. There's a couple things he said around end of day as well that look super bad. Bats because I actually think D1 was a scum on scum wagon like Oats said after looking into it. The pieces fit
I also don't see why me playing shrewdly and losing newbie feels is a problem. I think it would be a lot stranger if I hadn't learned anything so far and still posted the same way. But I'd like to see what posts I made that were super bad.
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On June 18 2015 06:14 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 06:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 18 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote:On June 18 2015 06:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 18 2015 05:56 ruXxar wrote:
Moosy's posts that is. Wait for him to write up a case. Sounds like a perfect excuse to make some pizza, brb. Woah you make pizza?? protip: use whole whole pita bread as base; add pasta sauce, toppings, and cheese; bake at 400 until bread is crispy on bottom.
Seems less like a tip and more like a whole guide.
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On June 18 2015 06:18 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 06:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 18 2015 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 18 2015 06:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 18 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote:On June 18 2015 06:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 18 2015 05:56 ruXxar wrote:
Moosy's posts that is. Wait for him to write up a case. Sounds like a perfect excuse to make some pizza, brb. Woah you make pizza?? protip: use whole whole pita bread as base; add pasta sauce, toppings, and cheese; bake at 400 until bread is crispy on bottom. Seems less like a tip and more like a whole guide. Compared to making real pizza from scratch it's a tip.
shhh...you should stop replying to my posts or else people will make associative cases.
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On June 18 2015 06:28 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 06:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 18 2015 06:18 batsnacks wrote:On June 18 2015 06:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 18 2015 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 18 2015 06:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 18 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote:On June 18 2015 06:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 18 2015 05:56 ruXxar wrote:
Moosy's posts that is. Wait for him to write up a case. Sounds like a perfect excuse to make some pizza, brb. Woah you make pizza?? protip: use whole whole pita bread as base; add pasta sauce, toppings, and cheese; bake at 400 until bread is crispy on bottom. Seems less like a tip and more like a whole guide. Compared to making real pizza from scratch it's a tip. shhh...you should stop replying to my posts or else people will make associative cases. Did you just imply you are mafia and that when you flip people will suspect me for teaching you how to make pita pizzas?
I was telling you to shut up because you were right.
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On June 18 2015 06:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol just kidding!!
Ruxxar oats seem most likely just make sure you guys don't discount people like moosy and bats entirely
Gl guys!
??? And here I was preparing for a great battle with the shadows.
Oh well, I guess this is my epitaph. Didn't even realize it was the next page.
Anyway, uh, go town?
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Oh man, Wave that was dirty. I hate you so much. You too Trfel.
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<3 ruXxar, geript, and batsnacks.
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Can't sorry. Sigh...as a request, can Newbie Student Mafia games have a set Mafia ratio of 2 newbies + 1 veteran? The 2 newbies would get coaching and the vet would be a guide for their strat with the coaches in the background of course. I just feel having two really good vets like this is really difficult.
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On June 23 2015 11:24 Sulfurus wrote:I can hear you but I don't have talk permission. (I feel kinda scummy eavesdropping on you guys).
So scummy
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