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Your entrance is simply the most underwhelming so far. On June 05 2015 08:50 Mig wrote: Been awhile since I have played, is Marv still good? Anyone else known as a good townie that's playing? Yamamato still incredibly hard headed? On June 05 2015 08:58 Mig wrote: So that I at least have an idea on who has a reputation as being good at town without having to read everyone's past games 5 minutes into day1. On June 05 2015 09:12 Mig wrote: I am sad yamato hasnt replied to me. Any reasoning? It strikes me as someone that does not know what to post and you simply want to blend in asking useless questions. Questions such as "Who plays well as town?" are very evident as the game obviously progresses. I find it hard to believe that your alternate would be to dive people's last 5 games to find out. It is not wholly relevant to the game at all. Furthermore, I find that over the course of your previous games you tend to open aggressively as town whereas you just try and fit in and make peace or ask pointless questions as mafia. If anyone else would like to see if this is true, take a look for yourself: + Show Spoiler [Mig] + TL Mafia XXXVIII Town Medic Killed Night 3 TL Mafia XXXIX Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 0 Pick Their Power Mafia Town Bandwagon Hero Killed Night 4 TL Mafia XLII Town Detective Killed Night 1 Real Time Mafia Mafia Roleblocker Lynched Day 3 World at War 2 Mafia Town No Means Yesenhower Endgamed Day 2 Pick Their Power Mafia 2 Town Gunslinger Killed Night 1 TL Mafia XLIII Town Veteran Killed Night 4 Experimental Haunted Mafia Mafia Vanilla Endgamed Personality Mafia! Town dreamflower Killed Night 2 TL Mafia XLIV Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 3 Some Mafia Game Mafia Double Voter Survived TL Mafia XLV Town Vanilla Killed Night 2 Pick Your Power Interesting! Town Detective Pardoner Survived White Flag Mafia Town Vanilla Townie Survived Day 2 TL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die Town 2-shot Vigilante Killed Night 5 PYP: League of Legends Mafia Town ChoGath Killed Night 4 SMB Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 2 Excluding the PYP games, you almost always start with either a case, solid game logic or some kind of aggressive post. Your 2 mafia games in the aforementioned spoiler (most recent ones) you start off with a silly question to Kurumi or a mediocre afk excuse followed by a meek defence else. I think you are mafia. | ||
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On June 05 2015 15:54 Mig wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2015 10:04 NaCl`y wrote: @Mig Your entrance is simply the most underwhelming so far. It strikes me as someone that does not know what to post and you simply want to blend in asking useless questions. Questions such as "Who plays well as town?" are very evident as the game obviously progresses. I find it hard to believe that your alternate would be to dive people's last 5 games to find out. It is not wholly relevant to the game at all. Furthermore, I find that over the course of your previous games you tend to open aggressively as town whereas you just try and fit in and make peace or ask pointless questions as mafia. If anyone else would like to see if this is true, take a look for yourself: + Show Spoiler [Mig] + TL Mafia XXXVIII Town Medic Killed Night 3 TL Mafia XXXIX Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 0 Pick Their Power Mafia Town Bandwagon Hero Killed Night 4 TL Mafia XLII Town Detective Killed Night 1 Real Time Mafia Mafia Roleblocker Lynched Day 3 World at War 2 Mafia Town No Means Yesenhower Endgamed Day 2 Pick Their Power Mafia 2 Town Gunslinger Killed Night 1 TL Mafia XLIII Town Veteran Killed Night 4 Experimental Haunted Mafia Mafia Vanilla Endgamed Personality Mafia! Town dreamflower Killed Night 2 TL Mafia XLIV Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 3 Some Mafia Game Mafia Double Voter Survived TL Mafia XLV Town Vanilla Killed Night 2 Pick Your Power Interesting! Town Detective Pardoner Survived White Flag Mafia Town Vanilla Townie Survived Day 2 TL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die Town 2-shot Vigilante Killed Night 5 PYP: League of Legends Mafia Town ChoGath Killed Night 4 SMB Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 2 Excluding the PYP games, you almost always start with either a case, solid game logic or some kind of aggressive post. Your 2 mafia games in the aforementioned spoiler (most recent ones) you start off with a silly question to Kurumi or a mediocre afk excuse followed by a meek defence else. I think you are mafia. Well first of all my question wasnt useless. It gives me at least a baseline to judge someone from. I know marv is a smart player so if he says something illogical I know there is a good chance he is bullshitting and isnt town. In the same way if someone has a reputation as being a strong town and they arent contributing it would raise red flags. For the meta case, meh. I think in general as mafia I don't know what to do and I more just try to blend in. I was the first person to actually ask a question instead of bullshitting about chickens. I could have much more easily just done nothing since if you look at my past games I often times only make a few posts on day1 as town. Many people say illogical things. I don't think it's relevant to ask that question since if someone says something illogical in this game you pry them for more information regardless of if they play well or not in general. That's just the way the cookie crumbles. Ignoring our clearly differing opinions, however, you seems to just be asking people for their thoughts and this has happened repeatedly: here Fecalfeast, do you have any thoughts so far? Every post has been useless. here Thoughts from Artanis/fuba? Both around early on to joke but havent commented on anything that has happened. here Anyway besides me who do you think is the most likely to be scum? You mention several times that mafia like to do certain things like post jokes at the start and then just afk but then never really relate any of that to anyone in this game. Why is that? | ||
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On June 06 2015 00:37 marvellosity wrote: You seem to type well but i'm not sure how you can genuinely believe this? It's a basic tenet of mafia that you have (often wildly) different expectations for different players. There are things 90% of the playerbase could get away with saying as mafia but I couldn't. *That* is the way the cookie crumbles. I have many a time seen good town people type wildly inaccurate statements that were illogical. Yes, you have to give some players more leniency but regardless of who says what you always push that person for more information on why they said that statement. Mig has definitely played with 3/4 of the people in this game. The majority of people in this game were in his LXIII game too. You may disregard this fact if you disagree with it, however, the rest of what I have said still rings true. He has pointlessly poked people and not followed through with his own statements of mafia strategy and assigning that to other players. I am willing to let it slide for now since there are many more egregious players in this game. I do believe that I agree with you on Artanis[Xp], although only slightly for his "lock in" post but more so for his repeated free town reads on players for 'complex' reasons that I don't think he'd necessarily make as town. Specifically on prplhz. | ||
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How much longer are you going to continue this ruse? ##unvote ##vote Artanis[Xp] | ||
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I think you know which ruse I am talking about. I counterclaim jailkeeper. | ||
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On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote: @Artanis I think you know which ruse I am talking about. I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. | ||
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On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I fail to believe any mini game would be so utterly awful at that kind of balance. I am quite content to get lynched first for the trade. | ||
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On June 06 2015 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: How does lock and jail not make sense together? When marv pointed it out so strongly I figured it was obvious. At no point did you ever mention the word jail. Marvellosity had only ever mentioned that your usage of the word lock did not make sense with the phrase that you had said beforehand in regards to Mig. It is facetious that you could make us believe that mafia would be "onto you" from that phrase alone. The phrase jail had never existed with your posts up until you had claimed jailkeeper. | ||
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I do not believe there would simply be 2 protective roles in this game. I would like the input of others that have not said anything towards this, it would be appreciated. Are there likely to be 2 town protective roles? Could Artanis[Xp] be the mafia roleblocker fake claiming since they are notified and it would be a good cover for somebody that notoriously does not play as mafia? | ||
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Since you are around and are a point of contention. Can you weigh in on these claims? Also, why is it that you complain about the state of the game earlier but then make no attempt to change that whatsoever? | ||
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On June 06 2015 08:12 Fecalfeast wrote: I think I agree with JAT that artanis' claim is only worth it if mafia thinks they've been found out. As town idk why he would claim there and believed it was a joke so completely that I counterclaimed him to join in on the fun. I think you claim is ass all around. I complain while making no effort because that's what my brain tells my fingers to do. So why is my claim "ass" if it has given us a mafia? Since you weren't voting or implied no intention to vote for Artanis[Xp] it seemed like you were quite content to sit back and let him lie on his claim while putting in no effort to weigh in on it until asked. | ||
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On June 06 2015 08:14 NaCl`y wrote: So why is my claim "ass" if it has given us a mafia? Since you weren't voting or implied no intention to vote for Artanis[Xp] it seemed like you were quite content to sit back and let him lie on his claim while putting in no effort to weigh in on it until asked. If I am to read this post correctly. On May 26 2015 12:01 VayneAuthority wrote: oh fuba is mkfuba...probably town then. compare his early filter here to his early filters in these games. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/439654-a-quiet-game-of-mini-mafia?user=mkfuba07 - town http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/432880-white-flag-mafia?user=mkfuba07 - mafia both super short filters to illustrate a point, his tone and focus is quite different. As town he'll tend to get right into it and back posts without needing prompting, while as mafia he just responds to people directly and has a slightly different tone/way of typing. you could look at more games if you want but i think these are sufficient. It seems that if you need prompting to discuss situations that are so prevalent it means you are mafia. That looks increasingly like what you are doing this game. | ||
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1) I felt that no individual would ever believe they were under pressure and mafia would have caught their breadcrumb and then hard claim jailkeeper on day 1. I could not believe that a town Artanis[Xp] would do this. Since I did not believe it, I had to test out his claim. I originally thought just claiming jailkeeper would make him either rescind his silly claim or if he was mafia, give up the game. He did not do this however so I concluded that from his reactions and interactions around it his claim was pretty much sincere. This is when I decided to enact the second phase of my plan. 2) I switched my claim to doctor in order to garner reactions. Since I am town and I am pretty sure Artanis[Xp] is town then the unbelievable situation is that we have both a jailkeeper and a doctor. I don't think anybody would think this would be balanced. At least, I don't think it would in a small game such as this. So, since this was the case I left it open that there were 2 healing power roles. I did want to let everyone respond but a lot of people are just afk. No matter, this led to some very interesting reactions indeed: The first of which is Justanothertownie. I think his reaction is by far the most sincere in the game. Posts like: + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2015 10:52 justanothertownie wrote: Going to bed. Anyone who is even considering not lynching Artanis has to explain all this: First of all you have to explain why NaCl is scum because there is no way there are 2 protective roles in a 10 vs 3 setup with 1 mafia KP and normal roles but EVEN IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ON ITS OWN and you think for some reason it is possible to have a JK AND a doctor in the same game: The situation is the following - you are Artanis a pretty good and experienced town player and you happened to role JK. Halfway into day1 nothing much happened so far and all of a sudden marvellosity who you townread and who you think is a really good player is attacking and voting you. You played a lot of games together. Do you either try to convince him that you are town/play the game or immediately feel the need to claim? The answer is even if Artanis thinks he will potentially get lynched he will never claim his really powerful role without trying to avert the lynch otherwise before (and his stats show that he is really good at not being mislynched). On the other hand if you are scum Artanis then you might think to yourself - "I will probably not be able to avoid being lynched" for whatever reason (maybe because town marvellosity set his sights on you). Artanis had some really weak scumgames. In THAT CASE claiming JK is pretty good. If noone counterclaims you will survive AT LEAST a day and be able to push an agenda. If you get counterclaimed you outed a really important role (if scum has a vigi getting rid of our protective role basically means they need one less mislynch for example) and in the worst case you just still get lynched. Maybe you even survive because people are idiots. So town Artanis obviously did not claim because of being afraid. So why would he? Artanis says he claimed because he thought he was outed by a dumb breadcrumb (which I think is HIGHLY unbelievable itself) he did which marv put emphasis on. So what do you do in this situation? The answer is you never ever ever claim right away. What does town get from your outing? Nothing. If you think you absolutely need to claim for whatever reason you can still claim during the end of the night to avoid getting shot if scum happen to not know about you. By claiming you are destroying any chance of them not knowing for no real benefit. If Artanis is town he acted incredibly stupid to a degree that is absolutely insane. I refuse to believe this and that he would not put any thought in how to play as one of towns most important and strong roles. The likelihood of him being mafia is much much higher. Add to this the claim by NaCl and we will absolutely lynch Artanis today. + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote: Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. His reactions and surprise and looking at claims while analysing which ones make sense or not is very towny of him. I am quite happy to add him to the town pile of Artanis[Xp] and Justanothertownie thus far. prplhz is more of a toss up, I'm not sure what to believe really. His initial reaction to the claims seemed a skeptical but also as if they were not at the same time: On June 06 2015 07:58 prplhz wrote: Until recently there couldn't be godfather, framer, miller, cop in same game but then suddenly there was a game with godfather, framer, miller, cop. So I'm not inclined to this setup speculation either. Honestly I haven't a clue what to make of these claims, I'm pretty horrible with claims. What I'm pretty certain of is that one of you claimers is a giant moron. post that give me pause are posts like: On June 06 2015 08:45 prplhz wrote: No but I just said, the narrative of him being town, having his crumb outed, being scum read by marvellosity (who will probably get his lynch d1) and then being all frustrated and martyring and hard claiming shit, that sort of fits. Do you think scum would have done all this if they could have avoided it? This is pretty extraordinary. combined with On June 06 2015 09:30 prplhz wrote: seriously artanis has never been mislynched and that's not because he pulls off shit like this in all his town games it's the exact opposite He pretty much outlines reasons that Artanis[Xp] could be town while still saying that we should lynch him which is incredibly confusing, hence why I'm not sure about his alignment right now. I actually think marvellosity is mafia in this game. He has had several overblown reactions that I don't think he'd have as town and his reaction to this double protective role claiming is very sub par for him. I don't think he'd ever agree with Justanothertownie's reasoning for voting Artanis[Xp] and then just blindly lynch fuba. Ever. The reactions that I am talking about are: On June 06 2015 05:28 marvellosity wrote: that's so bad. this is why i'm playing less and less. i can't handle the sort of nonsense yamato + artanis are pulling this game. i don't find it enjoyable. it's too bad for me to find enjoyable both Artanis[Xp] and Yamato77 were marvellosity's scum reads. Yet, when they did such utterly terrible things it garnered this reaction from marvellosity. Now, he's played quite a few games with Artanis[Xp] and from what I've seen he catches him if he is mafia quite regularly and has seen Artanis[Xp] claim things like mafia but lynched him anyway. This is a stupid claim and his initial reaction is frustration at stupidity but we find out later that marvellosity is STILL scum reading Artanis[Xp]. This, in tandem with his reaction to Yamato77 (his other scum read) seems very disingenuous. Now, getting to the part of the claims. I never expected marvellosity to just sit back on a lynch when there were 2 protective roles claimed in the thread. ESPECIALLY if one of them was his original scum read that has now been outed. However, his reactions are so meek that I can only conclude that this is a mafia marvellosity. On June 06 2015 05:23 marvellosity wrote: There is absolutely no way a town Artanis claims jailkeeper for no reason here. None. He is scum. On June 06 2015 06:12 marvellosity wrote: yeah i guess unless someone hard counterclaims you, that might be a good idea. On June 06 2015 19:56 marvellosity wrote: Mig: the context is all in my posts, my patience levels are even lower than what they used to be, I have nothing further to add what jat wrote is honestly quite convincing about artanis, probably because i kinda believe it myself. still, it's possibly a risky play i guess just to randomly claim when you could talk yourself out of it? still can't decide firmly like i said last night, I find the idea that I found artanis, it happened to contain the word lock, and he made the best of it not unlikely that said, my vote is probably on mafia with fuba anyway. soooo...... Actually i went back and read what jat wrote again, still pretty convinced. i'd lynch either. He barely mentions the fact that there are 2 claims. He in fact ignores it. He bypasses this fact to then just talk about Artanis[Xp]'s reaction instead. However, it's as if he doesn't even care about it. He'd rather just sit back and lynch whoever instead of trying to figure things out. Fuba is such a cop out lynch and not something I think he'd be doing. Regardless his play this game can be surmised as: Overblown reactions to Artanis[Xp]'s stupidity and a fake reaction to Yamato77 and nothing. Also: On June 06 2015 20:00 marvellosity wrote: Does mafia KP = 1 mean KP is factional and leaves room for the possibility of a mafia vigi, or is it 1 maximum? I do not think he'd ever ask this question as town. I'm actually blown away that he'd ever ask this when he 100% knows it would never get answered. He has also now claimed inactivity excuses. I think he is mafia. Yamato77 is another person that I think is likely to be mafia. Out of all the reactions he had me scratching my head the most. He seemed to instantly believe that both claims were entirely real and that Artanis[Xp]'s post was most definitely a breadcrumb and never listened to logic that dictated otherwise. On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote: It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims? On June 06 2015 08:00 yamato77 wrote: Look, Artanis shouldn't have claimed when he did, but the crumb is quite obviously a crumb in hindsight If you don't think it's a crumb now, I don't know what to tell you On June 06 2015 08:09 yamato77 wrote: Fine, JAT, obviously you don't listen to me, so you can have your way. I will have no part in this lynch however. I don't think he ever pondered the possibility that one of the claims was false or otherwise. Artanis[Xp]'s breadcrumb did not look like a breadcrumb at all and was actually in a standard phrase that many people use in mafia so "in hindsight" it still doesn't look like a breadcrumb at all. I think he has shown that he is using too much information to make a read and that becomes very evident in this situation. I think mig's reaction: + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2015 16:59 Mig wrote: Some stuff I noticed, marv/yam interaction looks a little forced to me. Marv has to have played with yam 50 times by now. Yam is like this every game, the marv blow up seems overly emotional. I have seen marv blow up before but this seemed a bit much considering yam was just being his usual yam self. Just something to keep in mind. Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. I honestly have no idea if having 2 protection roles would be OP for town or not. If mafia has a rber it doesn't seem that outlandish to me. That being said I am fine with lynching artanis. I read through Noir mini mafia that he just played and I actually think artanis played well that game. Day1 of that game was about as useless as this day1 has been and he still managed to actually post some useful thoughts. So far today he has posted a paragraph on being a little suspicious of JTA and that's it. Along with that his story for why he claimed is meh. Alternating between claiming because he was bored and because marv mentioned his line with the word lock in it. It was fairly clear that marv wasn't even saying that it was a bread crumb just that artanis was giving superfluous commentary. Assuming that mafia would have figured out he was JK from that is retarded. Seems more likely that artanis is bsing. Kind of funny he said this, made a few more posts then disappeared for the rest of the day as well. Artanis if you are town give your reads, make a case etc. actually looks quite genuine and thought out, it shows that he's analytically looking at the alignments of the big event that happened in the game so far and did some background reading to make sure. His interactions points seem a bit too surface level though so a bit hesitant to add him to a town circle but definitely not in a scummy circle quite yet either. This is getting a bit long and i'm not sure people are going to read it so for the sake of clarity People I am happy with and think are probably town: Artanis[Xp], justanothertownie People that I am happy with: mig, possibly fuba for analysing peoples' reactions (not mentioned in long post sorry), Alakaslam People that I am ok with: prplhz People that I have no idea about: VayneAuthority (not mentioned but I don't really have a clue, didn't like his reactions though), Chezinu (ignored most of the game), FecalFeast, People I think are scum: Marvellosity, Yamato77, boxerfred (I read his past game where he was mafia and it looked very similar) ##unvote ##vote yamato77 | ||
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On June 07 2015 01:06 marvellosity wrote: i do this sort of thing all the time. so either you don't know my play at all, or you're just trying to guess how i'd play. both options suck. While you may lynch people like that "all the time" that is because you have simply eliminated the possibility of other people being mafia through repeated interactions and thinking. Something that is severely lacking from you in this game. I do not believe you call Artanis[Xp] confirmed mafia for his claim with the provision that you'll leave him alone unless someone counterclaims him: On June 06 2015 05:23 marvellosity wrote: There is absolutely no way a town Artanis claims jailkeeper for no reason here. None. He is scum. On June 06 2015 06:12 marvellosity wrote: yeah i guess unless someone hard counterclaims you, that might be a good idea. and then see a counterclaim yet still call him possibly mafia but not want to lynch him 10,000 times over when this would pander to your ego for finding him. | ||
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On June 07 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote: ##Unvote Yes, marv might be mafia. Gonna read you yamato bit now. Tell me what you think about this. | ||
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On June 07 2015 01:13 marvellosity wrote: because the first quote is an emotional reaction the second is me making myself step back and think basically a massive towntell. Yes, but then you see someone actually counterclaim him and don't bat an eyelid about it. I don't want to get into this discussion with you. I've laid out my points and they will either be confirmed or abolished the more you play so you may as well talk about things that are not related to you since I am not pushing for your lynch at the moment and have made countless other points. | ||
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On June 06 2015 14:03 Alakaslam wrote: Chezinu. I am torn between you and Marv. I think Marv is brilliant. However, I actually respect your uncanny form of wisdom more I must know Well, more. Na Cl'y Are you on Smashboards as a Major nutrient, that is similarly related to your current state as a phytotoxin? I question your familiarity here. This could be critical, K? Thanks. By the way, if I am right, welcome. I am not Potassium. | ||
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On June 07 2015 01:15 NaCl`y wrote: Yes, but then you see someone actually counterclaim him and don't bat an eyelid about it. I don't want to get into this discussion with you. I've laid out my points and they will either be confirmed or abolished the more you play so you may as well talk about things that are not related to you since I am not pushing for your lynch at the moment and have made countless other points. | ||
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Duly noted. To everyone else. I think my points on Yamato77 are pretty good. He saw that 2 townies had claimed roles and was not hesitant in the slightest about believing Artanis[Xp]'s wildly (to me at least) strange breadcrumb but then also believed that I was a towny too. His first reaction to me outing my role was in fact: On June 06 2015 07:34 yamato77 wrote: you're a fucking idiot which doesn't display any kind of hesitance for my alignment either. I think he was dealing with too much information and made that known with his responses to the entire situation. Please vote for him with me. | ||
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On June 07 2015 02:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't think I agree on the Yamato thing though. I believed your claim and I knew mine was genuine, so I'm not sure you can use it to judge him so harshly. If Yamato is mafia, he should be confounded at both claims just as much since 2 medic-ish claims should sound just as weird to mafia as town, especially if mafia doesn't have any additional kp or more than one RBer. I don't think him believing the claims makes him scum. Yes, of course from your position of knowing that you are a jailkeeper the claim would look legitimate. You have the too much information I am talking about too. I had no reason to counterclaim you as mafia. Yamato would see us both as town claiming these roles but he wouldn't know for sure if there were these 2 roles at all. Unless he had that too much information too. | ||
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On June 07 2015 03:11 yamato77 wrote: I gave an alternative and no one listens to me. I've had better things to do and today I have work. Enjoy finding a good lynch, I tried to do my part. Have you got nothing else to say in regards to what has happened this game that isn't boxerfred? There's a whole situation you've neglected to comment on. | ||
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On June 07 2015 03:30 Mig wrote: JAT/nac/artanis who are you guys going to vote for? You are half assedly accusing marv are you voting him? Marv you dont have anything to contribute besides defending yourself and lazily voting fuba? No other thoughts on who is potentially scum? We have what like 6 hours or something till lynch and no clear target. Need to get this show on the road. #vote fecalfeast have you not read my big post and follow up thoughts? It quite clearly states that I'm voting for yamato. | ||
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On June 07 2015 03:06 Mig wrote: I am at a tourney so have to post from my phone the rest of the day, shitty. What about fecal feast? Guy has been totally useless/awol the entire game. I cant read his past games but I assume he normally contributes more than this? He softly back pedled from lynching artanis with his post where he said how about we talk about something else but then didnt actually try to discuss anything. His only contribution so far was where he posted all the cases on people and said they sucked. Doesnt look like he gives a shit about actually finding mafia. Yam is somewhat the same way. Normally from what I remember yam would have a hard on for someone he thinks is scum by now. Instead he just said lynching artanis was retarded while providing no alternative. I think FecalFeast has a reasonable chance at flipping mafia. He's relatively untalked about, the last time he was mafia he got called out for not doing much when lately as town he had been posting lots of sensible things and pushing the game forward. I would not be adverse to his lynch in the slightest. I'm not sure I would lynch fuba however, he seems pretty sincere in his opinions at least. I'll have to think about him a bit more later but I don't particularly dislike him. Yamato I don't think is very towny at all. He's perfectly capable of playing sometimes as mafia and what he has done so far is casually defend the fact that there could be two claims and push boxerfred and not look at anyone else. He hasn't even acknowledged my big post of events or anything. | ||
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Let's talk about people like FecalFeast. | ||
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On June 07 2015 05:23 prplhz wrote: can you please explain what is wrong with anything i've said about jta Justanothertownie is not voting for an uncounterclaimed blue. Justanothertownie see's that Artanis[Xp] has been counterclaimed and finds reasons to justify voting one over the other. This is purely from the standpoint that he does not believe there are 2 medics in a mini game. He says that if I am town then I should uncounterclaim before it is too late and something bad happens. I uncounterclaim with reasoning and posts to push the game forward. Justanothertownie see's this and realises now that Artanis[Xp] is an uncounterclaimed blue role which he would not want to lynch. You have a problem with Justanothertownie not voting for me despite you not voicing any opinion on this situation whatsoever. You also haven't even mentioned if I am towny or not for the situation. If you say I am then Justanothertownie's opinion should not be alien to you. Please just get over this and talk about other people. We are not going to vote for Justanothertownie right now. | ||
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On June 07 2015 05:32 prplhz wrote: just gonna sheep marv when he comes back. he could be town and then he's probably right. i can't deal with all this. shoutout to nacl for at least making an honest attempt at not being an asshole. Have you not read my big post that I made when I uncounterclaimed? | ||
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On June 07 2015 05:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think Yamato and Slam are both likely town. I don't find the arguments for Yamato being scum convincing, and Slam looks too cheerful to be scum. Fuba also at least seems to be trying when he's here. For Boxer and VA I've got nothing. I wouldn't mind either of them getting lynched either, but I think Chez is a slightly better lynch for he's said a bunch of things that he hasn't followed up on. The lack of followups even though he's returned a few times is what concerns me about him. Can you please enlighten me how you do not find it convincing when the only reason you have stated that it is not convincing is because you felt similar yet that was only because you had extra information? | ||
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On June 07 2015 06:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Boxer might actually be convincing me here. I'm uncertain if Yamato would truly be this bad as town. He's also conveniently afk when we're approaching deadline. If you weren't an uncounterclaimed jailkeeper I would be lyncing you tenfold. His post is exactly what I've already said and that which you have disagreed with and stated that opposite conclusion. Now you are agreeing with it?? | ||
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It's also a bit disconcerting that all of the people suddenly popped up, voted yamato and then afk'd again. | ||
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On June 07 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is what makes me pretty sure he's going to flip scum. I just can't imagine town yamato staying afk like this. On June 07 2015 07:11 NaCl`y wrote: He said he was at work afaik. | ||
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On June 07 2015 07:20 boxerfred wrote: Does it help that I quoted the case that fuba made on me and also your post saying you have a scum read on me? Like why would I do that if I was scum? Not particularly but I'm not that enthused about lynching you today anyway. | ||
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On June 07 2015 08:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So does this mean I'm confirmed town now? Not particularly. I thought your switch was one of the more scummy. | ||
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On June 07 2015 08:12 justanothertownie wrote: Then something to note is that he based all the reads he gave around yamato being mafia. tmi? I'm thinking along those lines, perhaps. I need to look at who else expressed displeasure at a yamato lynch earlier. | ||
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On June 07 2015 08:18 Fecalfeast wrote: could be so simple as slam/chez both afk for the wagon? I'm trying to figure out if it makes more sense that mafia just bused him or if there was no counterwagon because there was nobody around to see the wagon The only elaborated read that you had for a town player was Alakaslam. Can you justify why this is now the opposite and give me the reasons you ignored everything you wrote and just sheeped? What changed your mind? | ||
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On June 07 2015 22:43 marvellosity wrote: I don't care if I repeated or not, it's what I think ^^ it could be chez, but it could be several ppl really. Who are these other people you speak of? | ||
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What made you pick yamato over the others? Similarly with your VayneAuthority read, why does what he say make him mafia but not a towny who just dislikes the way Yamato77 played? Why do you jump to such odd conclusions. I would also like you to explain why you referenced all of your scum reads in accordance with Yamato77 flipping mafia before he did so. | ||
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On June 08 2015 06:25 NaCl`y wrote: Boxerfred, please respond. | ||
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On June 08 2015 03:37 NaCl`y wrote: Boxerfred, what made you go so hardcore on Yamato compared to say, FecalFeast or Fuba. Fuba and Yamato had similar reactions to each other in regards to the claims and Fuba was also shutting down your yamato reads. Why has he not featured in anything you have said at all the entire game? Surely he'd be one of your top suspects since the yamato flip, no? Also fecalfeast did much the same complaints as yamato and you never mentioned him at all. What made you pick yamato over the others? Similarly with your VayneAuthority read, why does what he say make him mafia but not a towny who just dislikes the way Yamato77 played? Why do you jump to such odd conclusions. I would also like you to explain why you referenced all of your scum reads in accordance with Yamato77 flipping mafia before he did so. | ||
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On June 08 2015 22:41 boxerfred wrote: Yeah then do just that. Holy fuck at this point it's all marv picking my posts instead of actually contributing so I go back to the guy who I was looking at anyways, which is Vayne. You can continue this now between me and marv in a pointless discussion, lynch martyring me and see me flip vt or you can actually try to contribute. Until there's nothing new on marv, I don't have anything to construct a case on. I am not going to get wrapped up in pointless discussions. Unfortunately, they have a point. You say marvellosity was looking worse for pointing out those things but never actually address that he wasn't the first to do so. You say that because Justanothertownie and myself looked towny then he is probably mafia for raising those points. Can you explain how this makes sense? If two people you think are towny had raised those points why does the third person who did the same thing look scummy? | ||
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On June 08 2015 22:51 boxerfred wrote: Because the third one did not look towny to me before. We do not know the alignment of others, expect if we'd be scum or masons or whatever. So: I read person 1 as town. I read person 2 as town. I read person 3 as scum. They all say the same: "Your behaviour looks scummy/TMI'ish". So I say: "well p1 is probably town. No need to go at them for that. p2? Same. But wait, there's p3. I thought he's scummy anyways, and now he goes at me? Wait a second.." See the logic? I can slightly see where you are coming from, however, if your town reads think that then it shouldn't be scummy for someone else to think the same thing, should it? You didn't scum read scummy people for jumping onto Yamato77 for the same reasons as your town reads, did you? | ||
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On June 08 2015 22:53 fuba wrote: Don't think I'm up for a bf lynch today. While his yamato association reads could be scum, it could also be newbie townie confidence. It would also seem strange for 2/3 of the scumteam to passively vote for each other for most of D1, exclusively. And, he's actually here, playing, which is more than can be said for half the thread, myself included. I'm gonna have to think about who I want to lynch instead, though. His newbie game has walls of text of involvement. I don't think bussing is strange in the slightest either. Your post gives me massive hesitancy about your alignment though. Why are those things unlikely? VayneAuthority, chezinu, Alakaslam are all chronic afkers despite their alignments. | ||
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On June 09 2015 00:03 boxerfred wrote: Nah it's okay. It's his way of posting, why change that. This is not a newbie game. It does not have to be a newbie game for a person to have some sense of tact. Can you tell me what you think of fuba? | ||
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On June 09 2015 03:31 boxerfred wrote: I have a pretty good idea who nacl is. By the way salty, who are you scum reads as of now? Do share with the class! I do not particularly know at this time since half of the players have disappeared. If I had to base it primarily from reactions and such that I remember it would be some variant of you/Chezinu/Fuba, possibly FecalFeast. Fuba's post today left me most perplexed. | ||
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Your original read stated you don't think that he would play while people were afk if he was mafia so why ignore the fact that I propose the opposite for no reason whatsoever? | ||
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On June 09 2015 07:53 Chezinu wrote: ##unvote ##Vote marvellosity totally forgot about this game. Since when does Chezinu normally lurk? Half of sky knows I don't normally lurk. Last time I was town, I got busy in RL and was afk. Half of Sky asked the same question in the obv qt. The answer is quite clearly no. Chezinu loves the center of attention way too much. Your vote is incongruous with your writing. You just point out that Half the Sky is asking a question she already knows the answer to and instead you vote for marvellosity? | ||
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Off the top of my head: Ordinarily I would be voting for Boxerfred at this juncture, however, since he is a new player it makes it hard to distinguish between genuine incongruence's or generic mafia misplays and I'm having trouble figuring out his alignment. If I had to solely base it off of day 1 though I'm not sure I agree with people like prplhz who say that his TMI is just the fact that he was a newbie pushing his read, everything was based around Yamato being red, it was far too weird. As for his actions today I don't know if it's just not thought out or what. His jump onto Justanothertownie after calling him his top town yesterday when everyone else seemingly did so is especially weird. Mig's case essentially came down to justanothertownie not doing anything after the Artanis push, however, prplhz/mig/fecalfeast are all pretty much guilty of this same fact so it should not make much difference to them. Boxerfred, however, would have been town reading justanothertownie up until night 1 since that is when he stated it so when Mig's case suggests that justanothertownie has not done anything at all, Boxerfred should not be agreeing with this fact. I feel like he was backtracking when he was caught pointing out things he shouldn't have been doing. Chezinu is just a solid vote right now though. His continued neglect at answering Half the Sky's questions are irritating and although he does provide some amusement as long as he does not properly interact with people and play the game properly I have no qualms with voting for him. | ||
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On June 10 2015 02:17 Chezinu wrote: Well, this is my last post. 5 hour drive ahead of me. Just remember there may be millers in this game. So, think about that after I die. Nice mafia claim  | ||
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Well he's either claiming that he is a cop/parity cop or that he is going to flip red and is joking that he's a miller. Or he is a miller. | ||
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On June 10 2015 02:41 NaCl`y wrote: Well he's either claiming that he is a cop/parity cop or that he is going to flip red and is joking that he's a miller. Or he is a miller. If he was a cop he would simply claim it properly to avoid being lynched. If he was a miller then he would have claimed that a while ago. The likeliest explanation is that he is mafia. | ||
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On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote: Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? | ||
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So, what you are saying is that Chezinu is claiming cop but on day 1 when I counter claimed Artanis[Xp], Chezinu was quite happy to vote for fecalfeast and quite blatantly ignored the entire thing to begin with. So in his world there were 2 doctors and 1 cop? I don't believe that and that is why I deduced that his claim must be a mafia one. On June 06 2015 09:12 Chezinu wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote FecalFeast Artanis[Xp] save yourself vote fecalfeast!!! | ||
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On June 10 2015 03:13 fuba wrote: Oh yeah... I forget about mafia roles besides roleblocker and godfather. Though does his play make sense as a rolecop? Guess it doesn't really matter. Though why you suggest that as an option confuses me. Does it explain why chez is behaving like a town cop? On June 10 2015 03:03 NaCl`y wrote: So, what you are saying is that Chezinu is claiming cop but on day 1 when I counter claimed Artanis[Xp], Chezinu was quite happy to vote for fecalfeast and quite blatantly ignored the entire thing to begin with. So in his world there were 2 doctors and 1 cop? I don't believe that and that is why I deduced that his claim must be a mafia one. Like I said before. His play does not look like he is a blue role at all. If he is claiming that there might be millers in this game then he could have quite possibly role checked marvellosity and to anyone that did not remember the rest of the game it would look like he's actually a cop if we actually lynched marvellosity or he flipped miller. | ||
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On June 10 2015 03:31 NaCl`y wrote: To sum up this discussion. If Chezinu flips any variant of a town role we should lynch Fuba. To justify my reasoning. He has seemingly hard defended (not particularly hard but still hard nonetheless) the people that people are most suspicious of at times when it was unwarranted (Boxerfred in general, Chezinu now, VayneAuthority about how there's not much to call him mafia for). | ||
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On June 10 2015 03:38 Half the Sky wrote: I thought he rescinded the point on VA or said it was in reference to someone else talking about VA? But still, this goes back to the point I made on his initial read on Artanis though I wouldn't call it a hard defence. Weighing in on the JK claim was warranted but not taking into account the gameplay on which it stands. Well it doesn't matter what he did in regards to VA since all of his original thought posts are there to defend someone from something or another. His boxerfred stance was simply "I don't think he'd do this as mafia" and when I point to his filter in his other game that would say otherwise he exclaims that he has not read it but still maintains his point is correct. His stance on Chezinu now is still strange given that I've just shown his actions around the Artanis[Xp] and my jailkeeper claims and he still maintains he could be a cop. | ||
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When a person is up for lynch do you not think they would change their playstyle completely to facilitate the need to escape later? His d1 actions scream the opposite of his day 2 actions, it's as simple as that. Mafia have no roleblocker and no vigilante so a cop and jailkeeper would be broken. | ||
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On June 10 2015 03:55 fuba wrote: Yeah, I think in general I give far too much benefit of the doubt. I have considered the mafia side, and I originally found chez's actions regarding marv unlikely from scum, but when I checked the timing I can see why chez would begin this cop fakeclaim. I mean, if he is fakeclaiming I think he did a real good job of it, but the timing is strange, I guess. Either way, I'm not gonna persuade anyone, so let's see how it plays out. I don't see why you stand by this statement following the evidence provided. Please explain. | ||
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On June 10 2015 06:55 Chezinu wrote: I claimed day 1. I doubt most voters even read my filter. Then why did you ignore 2 doctor claims and vote someone else? Why did you check marvellosity over fecalfeast who you had called mafia the entirety of day 1? Why did you leave it so long to "out" a red check on marvellosity? Why did you leave it till an hour before deadline to properly claim? | ||
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On June 10 2015 03:31 NaCl`y wrote: To sum up this discussion. If Chezinu flips any variant of a town role we should lynch Fuba. On June 10 2015 03:33 NaCl`y wrote: To justify my reasoning. He has seemingly hard defended (not particularly hard but still hard nonetheless) the people that people are most suspicious of at times when it was unwarranted (Boxerfred in general, Chezinu now, VayneAuthority about how there's not much to call him mafia for). On June 10 2015 03:43 NaCl`y wrote: Well it doesn't matter what he did in regards to VA since all of his original thought posts are there to defend someone from something or another. His boxerfred stance was simply "I don't think he'd do this as mafia" and when I point to his filter in his other game that would say otherwise he exclaims that he has not read it but still maintains his point is correct. His stance on Chezinu now is still strange given that I've just shown his actions around the Artanis[Xp] and my jailkeeper claims and he still maintains he could be a cop. I would write a proper case but unfortunately I am away till Thursday night. So this will have to do. Hopefully somebody will look into him and agree. | ||
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Look at this filter from fuba where he was town. It has a wide variety of spread out reads, even if there was a certain amount of afking. He is definitely unsure of himself in Carnaval. However, this game he uses absolutes and has opinions that don't make sense and comes to odd conclusions that are based on reasoning that he shouldn't be using. | ||
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##vote boxerfred I know I made a lot of posts on Fuba being mafia and honestly he probably still is mafia! There is now someone else that I have a greater passion for lynching. Boxerfred. This is because of quite a few reasons and all of them are backed up simply by reading the game so I'll make this short and quoteless due to a lack of time. Day 1: Boxerfred's play can be summarised on day 1 as simply going from clueless and spreading feelers in directions (such as on yamato briefly etc) to full on try hard and associative based on Yamato77 flipping mafia before he actually has (most damning). He also says Justanothertownie is his top town read going into night 1 for his reaction to the Artanis[Xp] situation etc. I feel like this was a disingenuous flip of "ability" to read people that simply didn't fit with his earlier playstyle. It conveniently kicked in when it was decided Yamato77 was the lynch anyway. Day 2: Boxerfred meekly pushes VayneAuthority and is quite happy to use any excuse whatsoever to just disappear from it when provided with little evidence: Yes, it's a quote. I lied earlier. He then jumps on Chezinu because it was what everyone else was doing. Suddenly, Boxerfred makes a big case on Justanothertownie being mafia which contained all of the posts that Boxerfred said made Justanothertownie his top town on day 1. Note earlier when he dropped his VayneAuthority read based on people giving evidence to the opposite? Now this is not the case for Justanothertownie. Unfortunately I can't finish this due to time, will continue later. | ||
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Boxerfred, if you agree with mig's case on justanothertownie why would that change your opinion on mig's alignment and make him mafia if justanothertownie flipped town if you're agreeing with everything he is saying? Surely that just makes him misguided? Why not consider any of the other people that aren't saying things you agree with? Also, boxerfred, why do you think marvellosity was killed? Also, a public service announcement. Please, in future, try to take the higher ground in arguments and answer the questions people ask no matter whether you think they are stupid or not. | ||
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On June 12 2015 01:52 NaCl`y wrote: I'm not sure you are mafia anymore, Boxerfred. I really liked your last post. ##unvote ##vote fuba and by last post I mean big response. Also, justanothertownie, I'm not sure you ever answered my question. Why is mig mafia and not town for his case, just because it was wrong? Personally I feel the case itself was poor but I don't think it means that Mig is mafia at all. Some of the reads he made (the connections with you and yamato, for example) seemed well thought out and showed he had a good grasp of what has happened this game and who has said what. I would be more interested if he talked about other people though. | ||
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Also, Half The Sky, I'm not sure I understand your lurker comment. If Yamato77 posts 1 small post and afk's for 6 hours and then posts another small post and ignores questions then he is classified as a lurker. Either way the TMI argument unfortunately still exists. I am quite happy to lynch either of the two if I am being honest. I think I would prefer a Fuba lynch - at least I think so - after that Boxerfred post that seemed quite thought out and genuine. | ||
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On June 12 2015 10:08 Mig wrote: Let me ask you this concerning fuba, do you think it is more likely for a mafia fuba to lurk and say nothing or to post questioning about chez when everyone in the thread is 100% set on lynching him? Why if he is mafia did he speak up at all? Just in the hopes people gave him town cred? I don't know if it's because you haven't played for a while but a lot of mafia like to post alternative theories to be correct. Especially if they aren't that great at playing as mafia and need something to talk about. There's nothing easier than talking about the correct assumption after all. | ||
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Yamato is one of the biggest lurkers currently on this site and is regularly lynched for just flat out afking. I will just respectfully disagree with you in regards to Fuba. All of the posts you link are very scummy non contributory posts and I think he has a good chance of flipping mafia. I disagree with your justanothertownie read since he does everything you mention as town too, albeit he does have a particularly prickly side in this game. | ||
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On June 12 2015 10:36 Mig wrote: NAC do you think the scum team is fuba and boxer? If not who is the remaining mafia? It could be any variation of fuba/boxer/vayne or you. I prefer fuba since he does not talk enough at all and Boxerfred does and would maximise the chance of figuring him out in another cycle potentially. | ||
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You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled. Fuba has posted once this cycle and it also says in the op that no votes will be warned/modkilled so he will just be warned most likely. | ||
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On June 13 2015 05:15 justanothertownie wrote: In the almost unimaginable world where both are town we double mislynch and are in LYLO immediately. 3 lynches are far better than 2, lynch fuba please. Mig thinks justanothertownie is likely mafia and is fine getting rid of 2 other people leaving it with lylo tomorrow. No thanks. | ||
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On June 13 2015 05:23 Mig wrote: At this point you guys just view everything I do as scummy apparently. I have never claimed 100% you are mafia JAT I could be wrong. I think bf is more likely mafia than fuba. So why wouldn't I try to get him lynched? I cant control whether fuba doesn't come back and gets mod killed. Say they both flip town and you seem to think you are the next mislynch candidate, why would you be happy to potentially have the game end next cycle? If you are town then you have two extra cycles to debate that and if bf flips mafia next cycle then we have even more leeway. There is no benefit to lynch both right now unless you like taking major potential game ending risks, which I am not. | ||
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On June 13 2015 09:08 Mig wrote: I defended fuba and tried to get bf lynched and everyone's first thought is oh obvious boxer/mig scum team bussing each other for credit! Zzzzzzzzzzzzz I guess thats why boxer came up with all the shit about how me and jat cant be the same alignment etc. Maybe you guys should actually consider the possibility that you were wrong about me? Vayne looks pretty terrible btw I do not know if you have a guilty conscience or not but nobody mentioned you specifically as mafia other than a hypothetical scenario. It's still the best play to lynch Boxerfred tomorrow I think. I should have more free time the next cycle to check things out. | ||
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On June 13 2015 09:40 Mig wrote: The first scenario proposed was me and boxer scum team lol. You seem to want to paint every comment I make as scummy. So it's one of the towny people or it's boxer/mig and boxer wanted mig to bus him for cred? That's simply not true. Either way you think justanothertownie is mafia so the second scenario just doesn't apply. | ||
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On June 13 2015 19:18 justanothertownie wrote: If boxerfred is town we will lose this game. That's not true at all, there's still another cycle after that! | ||
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On June 11 2015 09:46 NaCl`y wrote: Rest in peace, dear marvellosity! ##vote boxerfred I know I made a lot of posts on Fuba being mafia and honestly he probably still is mafia! There is now someone else that I have a greater passion for lynching. Boxerfred. This is because of quite a few reasons and all of them are backed up simply by reading the game so I'll make this short and quoteless due to a lack of time. Day 1: Boxerfred's play can be summarised on day 1 as simply going from clueless and spreading feelers in directions (such as on yamato briefly etc) to full on try hard and associative based on Yamato77 flipping mafia before he actually has (most damning). He also says Justanothertownie is his top town read going into night 1 for his reaction to the Artanis[Xp] situation etc. I feel like this was a disingenuous flip of "ability" to read people that simply didn't fit with his earlier playstyle. It conveniently kicked in when it was decided Yamato77 was the lynch anyway. Day 2: Boxerfred meekly pushes VayneAuthority and is quite happy to use any excuse whatsoever to just disappear from it when provided with little evidence: Yes, it's a quote. I lied earlier. He then jumps on Chezinu because it was what everyone else was doing. Suddenly, Boxerfred makes a big case on Justanothertownie being mafia which contained all of the posts that Boxerfred said made Justanothertownie his top town on day 1. Note earlier when he dropped his VayneAuthority read based on people giving evidence to the opposite? Now this is not the case for Justanothertownie. Unfortunately I can't finish this due to time, will continue later. Everything day 2 onwards that implicates them being together. | ||
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On June 13 2015 23:40 justanothertownie wrote: Why fecal? HTS and prplhz I agree even though prplhz has become more and more irrelevant sadly. You should be town depending on your identity. Even if all of those reads are correct and we never lynch them it doesn't necessarily mean we will win. Fecal has been making cases and actually participating and I haven't got the feeling that he's mafia from the posts he's made. Also, if boxerfred is town that should only leave mig and vayne? Why would that not be a win? | ||
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On June 14 2015 00:43 justanothertownie wrote: And since FF apparently thinks scum is more fun than town I would not expect his effort to minimal. You can make the argument that he was townier/did more in his scumgames but that's basically it. I would say it's the complete opposite since he was scum read every time he was mafia and town read when he was town. I am pretty sure he is town so I'd rather people follow my read for end game if needs be than yours since yours doesn't seem to have any game relevant basis for your read. If you do not trust that, I will inevitably flip soon and you can trust it then. | ||
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On June 14 2015 00:47 Half the Sky wrote: I think Salty is alluding more to the quality of FF's posting rather than the quantity here, even I said last cycle that his filter size is not alignment indicative. Precisely. In his mafia games they have been devoid of content. He even struggled to make basic cases to save himself in Carnival. Here he has made a giant case on Boxerfred when he did not need to and has been generally quite towny in his posts. | ||
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NaCl`y
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That's simply not true in the slightest. Damdred made a case on Fecalfeast night 1, marvellosity had agreed with it. He was tracked because he was scummy and people agreed with Damdred's posts on fecal. Perhaps you should read night 1 again. | ||
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NaCl`y
131 Posts
On June 14 2015 00:51 justanothertownie wrote: Let's be honest. Making a case on boxerfred is not hard to do. But fine, it is not like I want to lynch him tomorrow anyways. There is a stark contrast between his games. I get the feeling that you are setting him up for lylo to be lynched, especially as you have no content based reason to have any doubts about him. | ||
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NaCl`y
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On June 14 2015 00:57 justanothertownie wrote: Are you seriously flipping your read on me because I am not agreeing with your FF townread? I find it highly strange that you are unable to read his filter and come to any decisive conclusion yourself yet you are able to do so with prplhz. It just seems extremely odd that your reads on mig have changed for little reason and were the opposite to my reaction of fuba flipping town. Your reactions feel very off to me and it's as if you'd rather keep scum reads open than try and figure out whether the person is town or not. | ||
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NaCl`y
131 Posts
On June 11 2015 03:22 Fecalfeast wrote: Do you have evidence that I lurk more as scum than I do as town? Am I lurking more than my normal town game? You're just saying I'm scummy because you don't feel like developing a read on me and that's not ok. On June 11 2015 03:23 Fecalfeast wrote: Wow nvm I don't even want you to town read me you haven't even looked at the filter of someone you call scummy. This is by far and large still wholly accurate. | ||
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NaCl`y
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NaCl`y
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NaCl`y
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On June 16 2015 08:54 justanothertownie wrote: You promised a reveal. Unfortunately, that will not be happening. Well played to everyone. I feel that this game had a lot needless bickering that could have been avoided simply by being courteous to each other and more understanding of certain situations. I realise that some people had things that made them look overwhelmingly more scummy than the actual mafia but I don't think this environment was particularly helpful in fostering them to prove otherwise. BoxerFred, I did enjoy playing with you and I am sorry for tunnelling you. Now that I know you were not mafia I'd like to say well played for your Yamato77 read day 1! I hope you continue to play and do not use this game as a metric for future games. I promise they will be better! You do play well, if a bit off-meta for the site, but it was a breath of fresh air. | ||
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NaCl`y
131 Posts
On June 16 2015 09:16 Half the Sky wrote: I know JAT spotted a weakness in my posts which I did catch on to and I knew I'd have to step it up in 3-2 lylo otherwise a good town player could corner me. But if you had any additional input for me I'd appreciate it. Only issue is that I know dick all how to play framer, not much better at blue sniping either, I assume you just frame the scummy lurkers just like a DT should check the scummy lurkers but of course everyone checks differently.... >_< I had zero clue JAT was tracker. Ugh, fail. Generally the ideal strategy as mafia is to shoot the towniest people instead of trying to look for the blues or what have you since those shots could always backfire a la XXX mafia and shooting Rsoultin. Although this did cause mass hysteria it also severely would put you behind in terms of mislynches (which is the primary capital for mafia) if you are wrong. The whole aspect of mafia is preserving your capital so that you have wiggle room as the game progresses. This was fairly easy in this game and in retrospect I did notice a lack of push in a direction from you. There were lots of observations which made me gloss over you which is a good thing for you, however, in a game where people look more towny I think you need to develop on a set of mafia reads and start to push them harder so as you don't look too passive. You did have a set of mafia reads this game, I know, it's just in future that will come back to bite you if you are not more resolute on them. As for playing framer, it really depends on what kind of situation you are in. If you are widely town read then it always helps to frame scummy lurkers since they are by far and large the most obvious checks for a cop to make. If you are only slightly town read then it is up to you and you should maybe play it safe. Playing it safe is generally better anyway. | ||
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NaCl`y
131 Posts
On June 16 2015 09:28 justanothertownie wrote: Not after how he treated me earlier - I was very lenient with him until he started taunting me for no fucking reason. And if you have another look at how marv and I pressured him we were actually pretty soft on him considering how much bullshit he spouted. Since he flipped town and the game is over then you can categorically say that from his own opinion, none of it was bull shit. Or at least, he had reason to believe some of the things he did. I mean this in no disrespect to yourself Justanothertownie but sometimes, even if you think otherwise, you can come off as incredibly brash and argumentative and it is not conducive to helping people feel good and divulging their opinions. | ||
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NaCl`y
131 Posts
That one was of course simply the product of Artanis deciding to role claim for whatever reason, which I am still baffled about. I am also really baffled about NaCl'y counter-claiming him, which I think contributed nothing except wasting a bunch of time. I am not sure this is quite accurate though. Like you say, the Artanis[Xp]'s claim was entirely atrocious but he is perfectly capable of something like that as mafia. You could see from opinions in the thread that this was entirely possible and very well speculated. The claim not only helped clear up that Artanis[Xp] was town from his reactions (since as mafia he would almost certainly, like he said, back down or just afk from the game) but led to many revealing reactions. You say Yamato77 was lynched because he didn't fight back but his reaction was by far the worst out of the ones that I saw and his pointing out how obvious the crumbs were are not something that I would ever (in my opinion) see from a town Yamato77. His fighting back would be futile. | ||
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NaCl`y
131 Posts
On June 16 2015 09:48 NaCl`y wrote: I am not sure this is quite accurate though. Like you say, the Artanis[Xp]'s claim was entirely atrocious but he is perfectly capable of something like that as mafia. You could see from opinions in the thread that this was entirely possible and very well speculated. The claim not only helped clear up that Artanis[Xp] was town from his reactions (since as mafia he would almost certainly, like he said, back down or just afk from the game) but led to many revealing reactions. You say Yamato77 was lynched because he didn't fight back but his reaction was by far the worst out of the ones that I saw and his pointing out how obvious the crumbs were are not something that I would ever (in my opinion) see from a town Yamato77. His fighting back would be futile. I'm interested why you would classify this as useless discussion specifically. | ||
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