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Was a little wary because of the added complexity but after reading over it all a couple times I think I get it xD. As long you hosts don't mind potentially fielding questions as they come up, which doesn't seem to be an issue, I would love to play!. | ||
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On June 06 2015 06:02 Blazinghand wrote: LoL, HoN, Dota2 and Dota are all basically identical. I'm always amazed at the people who have long arguments about the differences between them. There are like tiny differences like an extra boss monster in LoL, or the runes spawning differently, or powerups coming from creep camps, but basically it's the same maps, the same system, the same concepts. A decent League player can basically spend about an hour reading a couple guides and pick up HoN or DotA2 and crush it with no difficulty, and vice versa. Any time someone has some really strong opinion about one of these games being objectively better (barring things like noting that League's UI is cleaner, or Dota2 has smaller models, or has denies which they like or something) or substantially different I lose respect for them. HotS is significantly different because of the way hero progression/exp works, the lack of items, and the different map. HotS is more of an arena-battler than a AOSC (Aeon of Strife Clone). Tend to agree, I just like dota/dota2 the most. Hon was really good at the start because it was quite fast paced and exciting, but as it went on I felt it got worse. I left around the time they released OP as hell heroes to people who payed to play them when they were first released, and they almost always nerfed said heroes when it was made available to everyone. Really didn't like that. Though to be fair some of the heroes s2 released were complete ass. LoL was alright but I only played it for a very short time before I got a dota2 beta invite. At the time I just saw it as less complex than dota, but that may just be because I know more about dota/dota2 *shrug*. I didn't like HOTS at all, been ragging on Blizzard for just making casual games but hey I can't fault them for targeting the audience that will give them the most money/support. HOTS was just so annoyingly casual compared to any of the other games in the genre; no last hitting, no items, a dumbed down skill system; I didn't like it. | ||
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On June 06 2015 07:36 batsnacks wrote: I thought LoL didn't have denies. I always found last hitting/denying kind of cathartic I think I would enjoy the game less without it. And I don't really like LoL's art style. Also doesn't LoL have some kind level up system where you have to play a bunch of games to unlock different bonuses? I sort of hate the idea of that. Yeh those are basically my main issue. The leveling up thing is minor but it is still an advantage no matter how you argue it. Also the whole not having all the heroes (or champions as they are called there) available is another thing I don't like. You either pay for them or have to grind out games to get them with game currency. | ||
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I have asked Satan for guidance and he told me to lynch Onegu. Note this is Satan saying it not me, so Onegu rule does not apply. ##Vote: Onegu | ||
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On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote: Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf. @Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf? Being a smurf is not alignment indicative. | ||
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On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote: refusing to divulge relevant information sure is! identity is a large part of mafia. But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity. Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom. | ||
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On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote: you apparently don't understand. It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town. So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game. I understand perfectly fine. I agree with your general premise but not your methodology. I have already said the important question in regards to our mystery man is whether he will use his identity to impart wisdom and knowledge or to sow confusion. You seem to miss the point that had he been interested in revealing his identity he would have done so. This goes back to my earlier question to you: Do you ask him to reveal his identity so that when he refuses you can accuse him? Why would a member of the coven do such a thing when they already know that the outcome will be that he does not revel himself. Your argument so far has been that his withholding his identity is suspicious and his posting style thus far is suspicious. But if we do not know his identity how can we judge his posting style as indicative of anything? All that said, our mystery man does need to choose his path. He either gives us wisdom and clarity or he sows confusion, and his fate is decided by which course of action he chooses to take. | ||
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On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote: you apparently don't understand. It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town. So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game. Him refusing to give his identity was decided before his alignment was known, therefor it can not be purposely anti-town for him, it isn't indicative of anything. You are in effect saying "if he votes he is anti-town" which is ludicrous. You do have a point in saying that a smurf can be harmful to town, but again, this does not give us any indication of the smurfs alignment. | ||
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On June 08 2015 09:03 wherebugsgo wrote: No you don't, because you repeatedly have shown an inability to read what I am saying. I have said twice now that a smurf DOES NOT HAVE TO REVEAL THEMSELVES to satisfy my line of questioning. + Show Spoiler + I simply want more out of this particular player. The responses I have received so far have been relatively lukewarm at best. However, I'm going to step it up a bit further. I agree with your general premise but not your methodology. I have already said the important question in regards to our mystery man is whether he will use his identity to impart wisdom and knowledge or to sow confusion. So did I, you just failed to read where I said it. Twice. Now three times, actually, and if you count this now, four. You seem to miss the point that had he been interested in revealing his identity he would have done so. This goes back to my earlier question to you: Do you ask him to reveal his identity so that when he refuses you can accuse him? Why would a member of the coven do such a thing when they already know that the outcome will be that he does not revel himself. Nope. You're not reading. Keep this up and I'm going to just ignore you. Your argument so far has been that his withholding his identity is suspicious and his posting style thus far is suspicious. But if we do not know his identity how can we judge his posting style as indicative of anything? All that said, our mystery man does need to choose his path. He either gives us wisdom and clarity or he sows confusion, and his fate is decided by which course of action he chooses to take. Nope. I am saying you do not understand because, well...you don't. Let me clarify for you what has happened so far, and what is now worth discussing. On June 08 2015 08:21 FreezingFoot wrote: Btw I don't like this opening. Sounds like a guy trying too hard do say "oh I'm town /sob", and asking people for names to work with. He doesn't like my opening. Sign #1 he doesn't like me. Cool. Let's skip over his direct response to my vote, because it was useless. Third post following my vote: On June 08 2015 08:48 FreezingFoot wrote: It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment. What I exhibited is a "scum behaviour" according to Freezingfoot. He didn't like my original post, and he thinks I am not trying to build original reads. He claims I don't care about his alignment. Fourth post: On June 08 2015 09:00 FreezingFoot wrote: Tell us who you are? It will help town = town approach You're mafia because you're not telling us who you are = scum approach. Implicitly calling my approach scum approach. But not directly doing it. If Freezingfoot thinks my approach is so scummy, in four straight posts.... Why doesn't he vote me? If he tries to get me killed directly that would be one thing, but he's just weakly throwing back mud at me. On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote: you apparently don't understand. It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town. So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game. | ||
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On June 08 2015 09:06 wherebugsgo wrote: You consider someone taking a mislynch over revealing their identity to be town-favored? Are you serious? I did not say or imply that. But again you are painting foot into a corner of no matter what he does he is scum. You are saying/implying that if he ever votes on someone who gets lynched and flips town without revealing who he is first he is anti-town. This is again ludicrous. But I've said enough on this topic, time for others to weigh in. | ||
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On June 08 2015 10:06 batsnacks wrote: I thought kickstart's backtrack was just as scummy. Kickstart responded to you believing that not revealing isn't alignment indicative (there's that double negative again), then backtracked when some of the pressure started going his way. He votes you for blasphemy, gives an opinion on not revealing, gets pressured, changes opinion on not revealing. You misunderstood. I conceded that I mistook his "not outing in a mislynch" point. I thought he meant not outing himself when he votes on someone else that turns out to be a mislynch was anti-town when he was talking about if foots is about to be myslynched as town and doesnt reveal. I said I misunderstood him but now understand what he was saying, my opinion on the matter is unchanged. I will say I do not like people twisting my words, but I was mistaken in that instance with bugs and I will assume it was a genuine mistake from you. On June 08 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote: ##vote FreezingFoot Breshke plz explain. You've posited and answered questions but you've not explained this vote imo. | ||
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On June 08 2015 11:35 batsnacks wrote: @kickstart I sort of skimmed the whole thing and just assumed you backtracked because you posted that you were mistaken or something. I figured even if I was wrong getting you to respond/not respond couldn't be terrible. If I didn't like you I'd be raging at you :D. Doesnt read thread thoroughly. Tries to call someone scummy because didn't read. How dare you. | ||
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I just don't see how that is scum hunting at all. It's just being mad that someone is smurfing and trying to 'pressure' them but then letting themn get lynched when they don't give you what you want (identify or display towniness beyond reasonable doubt), but who decides what is a reasonable display of towniness. To me this still seems like people putting foot in a lose-lose situation where the lynch is setup to go through no matter what he does. It may prove to be effective though in that it forces him to "prove" he is town. But be warned that if by everyone's elses standards he seems town and you push the lynch because you've tunneled him from the beginning you are gonna come out looking real fucking scummy, scummier than you seem now imo. | ||
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Quite a convenient way to later say that "Oh I just thought that Bugses case was good thats why I voted, clearly since bugs pushed it though bugs is more likely to be scum than me who just thought the point was good". Especially since the only real reason to have a vote parked on foot at the moment is for pressure, but if your intent was to pressure you wouldn't just echo everything another player has said without asking the person you are trying to pressure any questions. Seems quite scummy to me, and since I asked for an explanation but didn't get a satisfactory one in my opinion: ##Unvote ##Vote Breshke | ||
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You choose to smurf this game, now you have the extra responsibility of proving beyond reasonable doubt that you are town. If you fail to do this purely through your posts and actions, we have no choice but to lynch you because we have no meta to go off of. I just think that most people have made this blatantly clear (and it is something that someone who is going to smurf probably already knows anyways) and I see the attempt to "pressure" him as convenient. I mean he has already been pressured on this point, having you come in and piggyback onto the pressure does not add anything. It could be genuine, but it could be opportunistic on your part, I haven't decided which is actually the case yet. That said foot needs to try not to OMGUS bugs too much and tunnel too hard on him cause that will likely work against him. | ||
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On June 08 2015 13:46 FreezingFoot wrote: I'm not OMGUSing. If I was, I would have voted him earlier. Yet I took a step back to further analyse his approach towards me. You can check my filter and see my posts to realise that my intention was clearly to give him space to do his things. In the other hand, I have no bigger burden to prove my innocence than any other town. Saying so is letting the opportunity to mislynch me open. I will be trying to catch scum, and you will decide if I'm town or not. It's up to you if you think you should take smurfing into consideration. I will ask you, though, to evaluate my gameplay, and solely it, instead of feeding the paranoia of playing with a stranger that may be pocketing you. Noted | ||
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 . First time with BM he seems alright thus far. Onegu I've played with, have issues with him but that game is ongoing can't say much about it; can say I don't particularly like his style but that in itself isn't alignment indicative and I haven't played enough to tell the difference between his town and scum play. Yamato is moody but imo his posting is quite scarce this game which I don't remember normally being the case. Lightning I haven't played with either, seems fine so far but haven't gone through his filter or anything.Anywho gotta go to dinner, think I'll be home for a bit before having to go to the convention center for the graduation ceremony but don't hold me to being here for a while. Will be on later tonight regardless. | ||
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Nice continuation of defending yourself by calling everyone else bad though, I give you an A+ on being a douche this game. When you think half the players in the game are worth ignoring you might be in the wrong game. Also in what universe is calling the other players bad or dumb or unable to read or worth ignoring "good for town"; you seem quick to point on when someone is doing something you deem "anti-town" but don't apply the same thinking to what you yourself have been doing. Anyways I've said my piece on this matter, if all you have to say is that someone is bad or worth ignoring don't waste your time posting it. | ||
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##Vote: Onegu Whatever I think both LS and stutters votes are stupid so I'm staying on Onegu. A vote on stutters is literally a useless vote atm cause he is set to be modkilled, if he comes in and places his vote in some retarded ass place we can reevaluate but right now the votes and his flip will give us nothing of value. The fact that he will die anyways and all of you are still on him is dumb as well. LS I haven't played with but to me he has done nothing that has stuck out to me indicating he is super scummy or anything, I mean I haven't read his filter but I think something would have stuck out. Stutters lynch is literally useless at the moment. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote LightningStrike Who do you think is actually scummy. I wan't to hear your thoughts on some one other than the lurkers. | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:03 FreezingFoot wrote: Maybe because I prefer a no lynch than lynching a coinflip? I've already told who I want to kill. Bill or Shockey. I'm not voting anyone else. I'd vote bill but no one else will. WE need 7. And nolynch is fucking awful. scum have an advantage from the get go imo and no lynch just makes it easier on them. | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:51 Bill Murray wrote: A toneread is better than an overall metaread, wouldn't you agree, WBG? it's okay. I was just rxn testing you. I don't think you're scum. So which is it. Am I scum or not scum. Also I don't put much trust in your "reads", nor should anyone else. On June 10 2015 04:35 Bill Murray wrote: i know for a fact WBG is scum the way he acted and if hes town its worthy of policy but it's not what I know it's what I can convince you all to do with me Super town: Batsnacks Yamato Breshke Tubesock slight town: Onegu LightningStrike Kickstart Shockeyy Scum: WBG FrozenFeet Stutters I may be forgetting someone from this list but this is where I'm at on this game Your nice list post (which I almost always read as scummy- lost posts with nothing), was blatantly wrong on stutters and probably wbg, might be right on foot but I think you are bussing so whatever. Of course you were wrong on LS as well. On June 10 2015 07:30 Bill Murray wrote: FF you only started calling me scum when i made a joke about your post being scumposting but you are actually town so i understand why youre doing this But then you are as wishy washy on FF as you are with everything else so. You are just keeping options opens and potential "outs" for yourself, scum play. On June 10 2015 07:39 Bill Murray wrote: i dont think LS is mafia but self preservation is key Wrong again. On June 10 2015 07:44 Bill Murray wrote: I dont really scumread bugs, I was trying to get information I have to ignore cases for/against him until he puts out more information. The spreadsheet was great, but he threatened to not play here anymore. I was hoping he came back because I really enjoy having someone like that in the town with me. I townread shockeyy for a good reason. I have played with him more than anyone else has here so I am definitely the meta master when it comes to him. my meta on WBG, however, was contrived, as I don't have a reference to him playing scum. He has always been someone who has been hard for me to read except when he is blue and I nightkill him as mafia (which ive done numerous times because it's obvious to me when he has a power role [he lurks more than he is here], as opposed to how he is acting right now, as vanilla town who im voting to get a power tonight... i mean he could be a miller but thats still vanilla and i dont think millers are self aware this game) I didnt ever scumread you. I said "^scumposting" as a joke; it wasn't even to get a reaction out of you. The association thing with stutters came afterwards and that is actually very serious. I could see you being scum if he is scum, unless he was trying to buddy you on a WBG lynch. If Stutters is mafia it clears WBG although WBG doesnt need clearing considering he made that awesome spreadsheet. More wishywashiness on foot. Keeping your options open instead of committing; scum mentality. On June 10 2015 07:47 Bill Murray wrote: I'd be a lot happier voting kickstart/a lurker than LS but I'm beginning to come around to this lynch considering WBG is so solid on it I bet you would, scum. On June 10 2015 07:55 Bill Murray wrote: i'm not unvoting, but if he flips green, i'm voting you tomorrow You aren't unvoting aye? Nice lies. No it isn't. On June 10 2015 07:59 Bill Murray wrote: i dont want to voteswitch onto him i just dont want to lynch LS i dont think LS is scum Said you wouldnt voteswitch did it anyways and the target you switched off of was scum. On June 10 2015 08:19 Bill Murray wrote: ive had more towntells than anyone wrong again On June 10 2015 08:52 Bill Murray wrote: before this nightphase is over fully expect me to have a good case on someone probably more lies. Just concede already scum. | ||
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On June 10 2015 09:47 Breshke wrote: I'm actually not that much of a fan of morph. If scum shoots you and you don't die they just silver bullet you the next day. Actually I guess that gives us more blues next phase idk it is w/e BM can you explain why you switched off of LS or direct me to a post where you explained it I don't tend to answer questions directed at other people because it's bad but regardless of his answer look at this post he made: On June 10 2015 07:55 Bill Murray wrote: i'm not unvoting, but if he flips green, i'm voting you tomorrow Says won't unvote does it anyways. But you can read my general take on bill in my long post earlier. He just tried to leave his options open on day1. Was wishywashy on everything, committed to nothing. This is not town thinking this is scum thinking and trying to leave himself "logical" outs that he can point to. His mistake was trying to leave outs on everything he fucking said. | ||
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Thought I told you to concede alrdy scum? | ||
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You giving special privileges to Onegu doesn't make me a failure as a mafia player ='[ | ||
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On June 10 2015 12:44 Bill Murray wrote: going to play league See now Bill admitted to being scum too. Sucha LoL player. :D | ||
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Im so tired you confused the fuck out of me for a second. | ||
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