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I would suspect a blaspheme on BM returns red | ||
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RB and JK still the best So I would say RB/JK top 2, definitely. JK is probably a bit harder to use, and it sadly does not stop delivery of KP (which of course would render RB a weaker choice so I can understand why the hosts decided that, although you could argue it) 3rd would be tracker/blaspheme. Mason is not that great IMO because most people in this town don't really talk that much and are unlikely to really say anything all that useful, although I suppose a 1-to-1 PM with a townie would make a really good combination team. I would imagine that any townie worth masoning would probably be dead tomorrow anyway so probably not worth it Scrying sucks cause you can't actually trust either result, and it's a complete coinflip when you hit red morph is ok if you think you're gonna get shot | ||
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if the silver bullet fails we have no way of knowing though. actually in some sense that might be a good thing. If we get a townie to flip due to silver bullet there should never be any fears of claiming although with multiple claims scum can easily fake claim too fuck this setup is insane | ||
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On June 10 2015 09:01 Bill Murray wrote: there seems to be a chasm on what people think of me. I wouldnt mind this sort of argument, but the fact that it is repeated constantly is honestly quite annoying. First of all, I'm not just a player in the game. I'm a person. The type of person whose feelings can become hurt. Now that that is out of the way, I feel like FF has slipped. On Numerous occasions, there are times where she has been saying something like "X is town" without any qualifiers. This is a JEEP tell. if someone successfully guesses their scumbuddy, assuming she is scum with LS, as this becomes more and more obvious, at the end of the phase, FF was fairly against voting LS. She pushed WBG, she pushed me, and seemed to flip flop on anyone that was not LS. It was quite fishy. FF also OMGUSED WBG early on in the game. Town can OMGUS, but I don't think this was the town sort of OMGUS. This seemed like it had scum motivation. WBG was hardpushing her, and she didn't really want to go down without a fight. This is when I gave her an opportunity. I took over the reigns of pushing WBG>this let her back off, and attack anyone else who called her scum. She sees no motivation from me to back off WBG and push her the way I am now, but like I've said, my WBG push was reaction based. I wasn't taking it past the first day, even without the spreadsheet (that spreadsheet was magnificent by the way) Given the way LS didn't scumread anyone, where is the reasoning for FF to not have voted him? I can see why you guys think I'm scum, because I backed off of my vote, but I would ask of you to let me live a little bit longer because I really want to play as town my apologies if I hurt your feelings. I also tend to get annoyed/angry in mafia, as I'm sure you can tell. However since you are probably mafia, anyone saying that your opinion doesn't matter simply means...well, that you're scum and your opinion doesn't matter. If you are actually town just try to convince us who the last two scum are. If it makes sense and is reasonable, I promise I won't kill you. | ||
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On June 10 2015 09:04 Bill Murray wrote: WBG you say blaspheme on me would return red how about you just lynch me tomorrow instead? You lynch me tomorrow, and when I flip VT you are lynched the next day, deal? see this is why people don't think you're town even if you flip VT in no world does it make sense to lynch me afterward | ||
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On June 10 2015 09:03 Breshke wrote: How is role block any better than blaspheme If you RB the scum that doesn't send the kill you literally have no info the RB is only useful if it hits. Blaspheme at least gives the distinct answer if someone is or isn't the priest what? It may have no effect only if the RB hits the priest. I don't think scum are ballsy enough to both deliver the KP and a silver bullet on the same player (if they choose to fire a silver bullet tonight). If they try to snipe a blue tonight they almost certainly will use both players to deliver KP, otherwise if the witch hunter gets RBed both of their KPs fail I am 99% sure I play better scum than you and let me be frank when I say a DT check would not scare me in this setup nearly as much as an RB or a jailkeeper prot. | ||
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most people are dumb and when they get back a green DT result aren't nearly smart enough to ignore it when they need to | ||
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The DT check is only useful when you gamble and it pays off in hitting red. Then you can immediately claim and eat the silver bullet if you have to because the target you just outted has to be scum. | ||
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On June 10 2015 09:14 batsnacks wrote: He had a pretty strong dumbtell at eod. stop using shit that's not alignment indicative to indicate things of alignment! being dumb, aggressive, passive, lurky, active, none of these are alignment indicative by themselves. They paint a picture in context of other things. If BM is scum he himself knows he doesn't have a vote, and "acting dumb" is fucking easy. All he has to do is say that scum get a vote and some idiot townie will come along and say he's town because he doesn't know scum don't get votes. I don't know why people fall into this trap over and over and over but it's exactly the reason that mafia players on this mafia only need to be 10% as good as townies to do anything remotely "amazing" | ||
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On June 10 2015 09:21 Breshke wrote: I'm 100% sure you play scum better than me no one was having a dick measuring contest but thanks for getting yours out to show Silver bullet gets refunded if role blocked so it's not like they really lose that kp also if someone role locks someone and there is still one shown kill does that mean that person is mafia or maybe scum didn't use their silver bullet or missed with it. I think RB is good in best case scenario whereas blaspheme while shittier always provides info this is not a contest. I am a crap townie and I'm pretty decent at scum, which is why I am very confident in the situation I described to you, but I was not very confident in the end that LS would flip scum. Even if the bullet gets refunded you are potentially keeping a townie alive for another cycle at least because a silver bullet during a half cycle results in a flip (if it is successful) at the end of said half cycle. In other words if you RB the witch hunter successfully the target ends up living for the next day to push lynches with you. That's almost equivalent to saving them as a medic/JK. The only difference is that the RB can actually directly stop normal KP delivery, which in this game is incredibly useful because a JK on a good townie can actually prevent a blue usage. Now of course saving that townie is more valuable than the blue usage but it's better to have more townies alive for longer than it is to rely on things like DT checks. DT is only good in best case scenario. RB is good even in not so good scenario, simply because the number of scummers is so low. Remember a green DT check doesn't mean shit, it's only the red one that matters. | ||
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If scum attempt to blue snipe then morph is useless. Morph gets better after the silver bullet is definitely used, so if two townies die or if a townie flips at the end of a day without getting lynched then morph becomes better. My problem with morph probably stems from my own style of play because it's a relatively complacent thing to do unless you are really really sure you will eat the scum KP for some reason. At least if you are JK or RB you have a chance of stopping something else if you get blue sniped, which is fairly likely for someone who thinks they are townie enough to get shot. I personally as scum would blue snipe the person I think is the top townread in the thread simply because it is so overwhelmingly likely that they are blue. The only thing that saves them at that point is an RB on the witch hunter, which again is not possible if people morph instead. | ||
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On June 10 2015 09:37 batsnacks wrote: If all 3 morph we lose at most 1 blue and at most 1 townie no matter what, and the townies that survive are probably strong. Any other course of action it is possible to lose up to 2 blues and 2 strong townies. why couldn't you lose two townies? Scum could choose to kill someone who they think is not likely to be blue. Of course that's not necessarily an optimal shot but you don't need to kill the best townies to win as scum. In fact a lot of the time you can turn townies on each other just because you leave some good ones who have the wrong reads alive. | ||
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RB has the nice property of a successful RB on the night KP both dragging the game out longer and giving us a really good lead. | ||
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If you indeed don't spend this time talking to me, I'll have to list you as a scumread. If I die I hope the town is not dumb enough to let you go quietly. Partly the reason is because I won't be around ~3 hours before lynch, because I will be boarding a plane. Indeed, I probably won't be around after the lynch either so the next ~6 hours or so and maybe early morning tomorrow is the best time for me to get as much information out of every player to provide the best I can before my time in the game ends. So, let's talk. Convince me why you're not scum. Convince me of your best two reads right now. I know you think BM is mafia, you've argued that point through and through. Let's assume BM is either dead or town. Who else would you pick? I want reasons. I also want specifics and the details behind your thought process. Lastly, since I think this would be very useful, I want you to claim your identity so I can read your past games. If any of you disagree that meta would be useful in this situation, please go ahead and reread my case on LS, and tell me exactly why a smurf FF in this situation would be doing us a favor by not telling us his identity. My comparisons between LS's countless town games and his really mediocre mafia play was a significant driving force behind my confidence in the lynch, and I would expect that a town smurf would understand the implications of having more information on the table. | ||
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Bussing is not a good mafia strategy, it's a fucking sign of weakness. You don't kill your own teammates unless you absolutely have to, and anyone who thinks it's a good idea to bus their teammates out of the blue clearly doesn't know how to play scum | ||
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you're not giving me much here. anything else? I think you're town but I need you to help me erase this niggling feeling that I am wrong about that read | ||
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