• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:02
CEST 11:02
KST 18:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview25Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL46Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator4[ASL19] Finals Preview: Daunting Task30
Community News
[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates7GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th12Weekly Cups (May 27-June 1): ByuN goes back-to-back0EWC 2025 Regional Qualifier Results26Code S RO12 Results + RO8 Groups (2025 Season 2)3
StarCraft 2
General
The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Magnus Carlsen and Fabi review Clem's chess game. BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th
Tourneys
Bellum Gens Elite: Stara Zagora 2025 $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Cheeseadelphia 2025 - Open Bracket LAN! $25,000+ WardiTV 2025 Series
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance Mutation # 473 Cold is the Void
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans? BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ I made an ASL quiz [BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 2 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 1
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0 Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Cognitive styles x game perf…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Poker
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 22650 users

[M][N]Holy Guardians Chapter 1 - Page 2

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 04 2015 05:14 GMT
#643
am I invisible?
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 04 2015 15:53 GMT
#695
On June 05 2015 00:44 Chocolate wrote:
"You still have no scumreads, you still have no town reads"
that is just not true

honestly you're pissing me off and making me not want to play the game anymore. I suck at mafia, OK, whatever. I've only played two games before this and I lost.

just kill me then because it isn't fun having some guy go NOPE YOU'RE MAFIA DIE DUMB SCUM


mmm... I don't think Chocolate is particularly scummy but this feels overdone and fake? If anything, I think this is the scummiest thing he's said VE lol
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 04 2015 16:20 GMT
#703
On June 05 2015 01:16 Damdred wrote:
Its pretty annoying half of the people keep throwing my name out for lynch but won't actually push me or try to lynch me.

So lets go if you think I'm scum male a case push me instead of half pushing


I think people are just unsure... Though I am currently voting on Templar, I'm not particularly sure who I want my final vote to be on... Everyone just seems angry and I naturally read passion as town (except Templar) so it's kinda hard.
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 05 2015 03:52 GMT
#929
These are my thoughts on the last couple of pages because I came home late and have to go to sleep soon.

On June 05 2015 06:27 Chocolate wrote:
I would have killed myself if there were time lol


Seems like a really weak reaction to me. It doesn't really feel genuine at all. Also, I'm not sure about Chocolate but if I were getting potentially lynched and it was getting close to EoD, I would've constantly refreshed. I call BS on him not noticing the time and saying "I would have killed myself" because he posted his last words before the EoD was over. Also, if he truely had the intent of dying for the blue, he probably would have at least tried to vote even if it was exactly on EoD (which would probably have been too late) just incase but he didn't even try.

TL;DR: Chocolate was there to take the death for the team and he lied about sacrificing himself had he had more time


With respect to Milo, people have already said this but I'm town reading the hell out of him now. Day 1 it was a light town read but his switch to a nonvote when the blue claimed solidifies him to my top town. The only doubt in my mind is if Chocolate flips as scum because the only reason for Milo to nonvote in my opinion is either he was panicking town or he was mafia with Chocolate and just didn't know what to do or knew that the blue was going to die by default anyways. Regardless, I'm tending to lead more super town on Milo and just going with Occam's razor on this.


VE's reaction felt kind of fake to me right now as well BUT he did want to go on Chocolate over the blue AND on top of that, I'm kind of scared because everytime I read his posts, I read it in his voice and if he starts going on me... basically I don't want to see the torrential downpour of VE rage falling on me. (In all seriousness, I'm slightly reading him town for his earlier posts but in the case of my death, I do want people to keep a close eye on him).


I'll have to reread filters when I wake up but for now, I had a scum read on onegu and damdred as well but I don't remember the reasons well enough to confidently explain why.


On June 05 2015 06:49 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2015 06:39 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure why ritoky and myself should get all the blame? The logical,thing is if you are so scared you are getting lynched claim when there's time to parse the information.

My points had value, he did do questionable,things .

Tick immediately moving to discredit someone who steeped and the leader of the wagon is interesting


Before I head out the door let me respond to this, kus it is pissing me off a little.

First, I'm upset that you guys just got our jailkeep lynched. I stated time and time again that i was against it and tried to go against your push on him.

Maybe you and ritoky aren't scum for starting the wagon on Kick, I get that. However this subtle deflection back to me when I just stated I was about to head out for awhile looks super shitty.

You guys def deserve some blame for that lynch. I wasn't going to scum you for it, but I sure as hell scum you after posting that.

I already thought Choco was scum. Why should I feel any different now?



OHHH and don't get me started on TickTock's reaction. How did I miss that one. The fakest thing I've ever read in my life. I'm almost ready to vote on him instantly when the day starts off that. God, it's because the two letter acronyms are so confusing... TT, GG, SL, KS, VE, blah blah blah....


Templar also feels townier post EoD but I don't know if I can wipe his slate clean mentally after day 1... Actually, that's kind of a lie. He doesn't really feel townier to me but I like his reads so I'm just going to call him leaning town. He doesn't like damdred and onegu, he doesn't like ticktock, I just need him to say his stance on chocolate and I need it to be "chocolate is mafia we should lynch him." I'd say shame on you templar for voting on our blue but if you're town, I would've had you dead so either way one of us would be at fault. (P.S. say chocolate is scum and you'll have me in your pocket for the next 1-2 days)


Honestly, it was kind of hard for me to follow this game and I could feel myself getting lurkier and lurkier but I think this blue kill got me all worked up. Despite how bad it is for us (is jailkeeper dying even that bad? is it a strong role?) it's pretty exciting and I think the game is really starting to move forward.
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 05 2015 03:57 GMT
#932
On June 05 2015 12:55 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I didn't vote on Kickstart. In fact I came around and called him town and encouraged everyone to vote Tictock.

I still don't have anything on Chocolate.

I don't necessarily scumread Onegu or Damdred to be clear, I just think there is likely one mafia between them and they both need to step up (this is more-so directed at Onegu in particular as he has posted very little and is just riding the 'im good at this game sheep me' card)


Your scumminess from the lack of scumreads on onegu and damdred cancel out the towncred from not voting on kickstart. I can still feel the pocket
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 05 2015 04:10 GMT
#936
On June 05 2015 08:31 Fidei86 wrote:
1. If either ritoky or I are Mafia, Chocolate is almost certainly also mafia (although me being Mafia doesn't mean that about ritoky, and vice versa). This is because it would make no sense for either of us as Mafia to get involved in a town v town wagon-off. However even if ritoky and I are both town, that doesn't exonerate Chocolate.


Is that a normal thing to say? To assume that he could be mafia?
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 05 2015 05:40 GMT
#939
On June 05 2015 14:31 milo109 wrote:
Nydus is a light town. I'm sorta getting a dimwit silly impression from him, and it seems hard to understand why mafia would want to fake that. I realllly don't like his last post though, so that bumped him down.


Can you elaborate the dimwit silly impression? wtf does that mean
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 05 2015 14:19 GMT
#967
On June 05 2015 23:15 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey TT - what is WIFOM? I'm struggling with some of the acronyms here..


"I would never do that as mafia"
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 05 2015 14:23 GMT
#970
On June 05 2015 23:10 Tictock wrote:
Looks like not much has happened since i left thread anyways.

Just see GG chanting my name and Fidei looking like he mighta gotten lost in WIFOM over there.

I was tempted to try and look at the votes and whatnot, but it seems like a silly thing to do when no scum got lynched. Either I'm right about scum pushing for that lynch or they just had a grand old time sitting around watching town...

Not sure if we should look at the outlier votes or not. There's not much to go on for either Nydus or Onegu...

I'll prob just leave things at this case on Damdred for now, I'm really tempted to look at him and Choco being a possible team now though... I felt like I mighta noticed something when digging through his filter, but I could also just be tunneled and reacting to what Kick said EoD. I'll get back to that thought if it's still pertinent D2.


FYI for anyone trying to read me based on my EoD, I wasn't aware of the EoD (sorry I'll be more careful next time) but had I been able to choose someone to vote on before the jailkeeper claim and it had to be on chocolate on kickstart, it would've been on kickstart so read that how you will. Getting kind of boring reading "outlier votes can go either way."
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 05 2015 14:24 GMT
#971
On June 05 2015 23:22 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2015 23:19 NydusHerMain wrote:
On June 05 2015 23:15 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey TT - what is WIFOM? I'm struggling with some of the acronyms here..


"I would never do that as mafia"


If your trying to say it's a dumbtell... maybe

Pretty obv a newb question too so w/e


I meant more like the most common WIFOM is when people say "I wouldn't do that if I were scum."
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 05 2015 14:35 GMT
#974
As per Scott's request, in no particular order!

Town:
Milo
VE
Templar
Fidei

Neutral:
Ritoky
Shendelzare

Scum:
TickTock
Onegu
Damdred
Chocolate


I didn't mention Fidei before but some of his comments directed towards KickStart feel towny. I think in particular, his comment towards KickStart apologizing "if you're town" blah blah seemed genuine to me. Light town read, nothing major but it still puts him on the town list.

Ritoky I'm not saying that I will not read him town or scum, I just think I need to reread that big ass filter. I'll give an update when I read it. If you have to put him somewhere, put him on scum because I was scumreading him earlier.

I abstain from reading replacements.
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 05 2015 21:34 GMT
#1023
On June 06 2015 01:21 Damdred wrote:
NydusHerMain is scum I believe. Reading through his filter he gives little to no actual thoughts to the thread overall, he is a bit sideline for me hes never directly involved in any confrontation. He states people are scummy (ie., he says ritoky is scummy) but never really does anything with it, he throws the thought into the thread and just sort of morphs back into the aether to post again another day. He asks at one point if he is invisible, yes, yes he is probably one of the most invisible players in the game. He pushes very little and stays under the radar his read post that he posted during the night was pretty bad to me, his scum reads weren't fleshed out and lacked any depth and also the scum team he propposd just didn't make sense with us triple bussing each other when we had two town up for lynch? It just feels fake to me.


To give you some perspective, I come from video mafia (1+ year of it) and I've only ever played 1 other game of forum mafia. In video mafia, people tend not to push as hard on people unless they have some sort of meta read that makes someone almost confirmed mafia in their minds. Usually, people just chip in and give their thoughts on the game and don't really flesh out reads too hard unless asked to. Apparently, it feels like I've fallen into that hole and I'll try harder to get out of it.

With respect to the scum team, I didn't actually propose a "team" persay. I proposed people who I currently view as scummy and would be fine lynching. I don't believe in early associative reads until a mafia flips because it doesn't help to try to find an exact team of 3 unless we find out someone who is mafia. That's a weak thing to push on and you should know better than to call me fake for that -_-
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 05 2015 21:39 GMT
#1024
I guess with respect for the lack of interaction, I think it mostly stems from no one responding to me and no one really calling me scum (up until this point). Whenever I gave my reads (although I guess people just ignored them because they seemed unsubstantial?? someone clarify) no one really seemed to care or react. When I called people scum, no one really reacted. Kind of felt discouraging more than anything. Was I supposed to copy and paste until someone responded or I got modkilled?
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 05 2015 22:36 GMT
#1028
I'm back for like 1 minute and I have to go back to work. While I'm gone, are we supposed to try to talk about why the nk landed on the person?
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 06 2015 22:27 GMT
#1188
So I'm at work right now reading from my iPad and I want to say fuck you Scott. I had an exciting scum case built up against you and now I think you're leaning town... More to be posted in a couple of hours when I'm home -_-
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 06 2015 22:33 GMT
#1190
My main question is, at Scott, how much do you trust your onegu because the shit he posted when you went super excited looked like something my 8 year brother could've posted as scum
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 06 2015 22:46 GMT
#1193
I'm not gonna lie I want to have everyone have their vote on him and then if he doesn't do something for me where I can personally read him, just keep the vote there and lynch him. If he does persuade me, I want to probably vote on chocolate. Bah back to work.
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 06 2015 22:47 GMT
#1194
Also before I go back to work, what stops scum from like bussing each other for town cred in a game with no blues? Happens tons in video mafia...
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 07 2015 11:16 GMT
#1262
Rereading chocolate's filter, his reads don't seem to evolve naturally. It just seems really fucking awkward to read at all.

Starting from this post to this post. For the tl;dr, basically he mentions scott being his top scum and when he starts to finally town read scott he doesn't ever mention why in between and randomly just says "oh obviously this read is different now" without even explicitly calling scott town.

Looking at this post he finally gives his first set of reasons for his list of reads but he never actually mentions scott his once top scum and now obviously a town read. Now I want to note one thing, no templar read here and this is very important imo. I urge you guys to read this post very carefully. He calls scott town for his case against TEMPLAR (and scott was calling templar mafia and even was voting on him at this point based on the fucking chezblahblah rule) and never once mentioned templar until this point. Not only that, he calls templar likely town for what reason? That he's townier in his filter and that people are trying to bury his discussion under stuff. Scott's literal accusation versus templar is chezblahblah rule. What other reason could there be to bury his discussion under "stuff?" How could chocolate possibly be townreading Scott at this point?


So let's cole's note this shit because my writing style sucks:
- calls scott number 1 scum
- never mentions scott until scott magically turns town (or obviously changed read) with no justification other than "posts more"
- townreads scott for his chez accusation against templar who chocolate thinks is town
- chocolate calls templar town for the first time in the same post claiming that people are trying to bury him with bs
- chez rule

Like wtf is this shit?


Moving on, we look at the KS situation. Referring back to his initial set up reads in this post in case you guys don't want to scroll back up, we see that KS is "very unlikely to be mafia" for Chocolate. Another post reinforcing his belief. 2-3 posts later dem be flippin' dem pancakes lyke in dis post. Really, so after calling KS town this entire time, you suddenly flip because he votes on you use that pretty much dumb point to potentially push scum on him? The fact that he might be deflecting off someone? Okay. This post lacks any original thought but pretty much opens up the idea that he might just be saying KS is scum because he wants to live. Then he says this where KS magically jumps to the front of the line for scum after he said KS is really unlikely to be scum just because it's a vote between him and KS. The is literally making up points against KS in this post or at least it feels ridiculously ingenuine to me.

Basically, my point is, nothing Chocolate says feels natural and it feels like he's just making up reads and giving reads for the sake of giving them. He isn't actually trying to scum hunt and he's flipping like a fucking pancake for no reason. There's no train of logic with him, only a survival instinct and for me, that's indicative of scum.

I've also saved the best for last:
"Cry me a riverrrrr" I've never seen a weaker and FAKER reaction than this.
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 07 2015 11:17 GMT
#1263
So if we could just swap our votes onto Chocolate instead of Templar that would be gggggggreat
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 58m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
EnDerr 28
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 350
PianO 217
Zeus 213
EffOrt 150
Hyuk 142
Leta 115
BeSt 96
Mind 87
sorry 78
Sacsri 23
[ Show more ]
ivOry 8
Noble 6
Dota 2
XcaliburYe511
League of Legends
JimRising 510
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K804
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor173
Other Games
singsing311
Mew2King201
XaKoH 158
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream5848
Other Games
gamesdonequick735
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 22
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 35
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt431
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
58m
Bellum Gens Elite
58m
Reynor vs ShoWTimE
Serral vs Lambo
Clem vs Zoun
SC Evo League
2h 58m
Fire Grow Cup
5h 58m
CSO Contender
7h 58m
BSL: ProLeague
8h 58m
StRyKeR vs MadiNho
Cross vs UltrA
TT1 vs JDConan
Bonyth vs Sziky
Replay Cast
14h 58m
SOOP Global
17h 58m
Creator vs Rogue
Cure vs Classic
SOOP
23h 58m
Classic vs GuMiho
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d
[ Show More ]
AllThingsProtoss
1d 1h
Fire Grow Cup
1d 5h
BSL: ProLeague
1d 8h
HBO vs Doodle
spx vs Tech
DragOn vs Hawk
Dewalt vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
1d 14h
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
GSL Code S
4 days
Rogue vs GuMiho
Maru vs Solar
Replay Cast
4 days
GSL Code S
5 days
herO vs TBD
Classic vs TBD
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
GSL Code S
6 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 1
DreamHack Dallas 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
2025 GSL S2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.