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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 29 2015 20:39 GMT
#1881
On May 30 2015 05:27 disformation wrote:
Hmm... looking at Sulfurus and 27ninjabunnies reasons to vote each other:
Sulfurus:
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On May 29 2015 01:12 Sulfurus wrote:
Ok so first off I see a couple of votes on Bunnies and I do very much agree that she has been scummy however remember that with no cop check there is 25%(1/8) of any one person being mafia excluding yourself but since there is only one mafia among the 7 possible green checks the cop check gives her a 14% to be mafia; that is an 11% difference so please don't dismiss the check.

Which leads into my next point as you can read here and here not only do I believe Barakos is town, I think of him as my top town as in I won't even consider him being GF until potential lylo.

On May 29 2015 12:38 Sulfurus wrote:
@27nb How can you recommend me as a good cop check N1 when had me as town up untill D2 (which also happens to be the day I first put you on my scum list)?

Honestly I am starting to really like the world where NinjaBunnies the GF attempted to pocket on D1 to get more votes for he mislynches.

Looking at that post again she also recommended that Breske be checked even though she apperently townread him since D1. How was she planning on getting any information from that?

On May 29 2015 16:49 Sulfurus wrote:
If plots is mafia it will become apperant when he doesn't die in the night and Bunnies is more scummy anyway.


##Vote: 27NinjaBunnies

27ninjabunnies:
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On May 29 2015 11:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2015 06:31 plotspot wrote:
bunnies you too, give us an idea who to vote between Sulfurus and boxerfred? I am also taking on ideas about lynching SL and dis, but if you don't have a strong case about them you don't need to present it, imo. That's just me personally, other persons will want them nevertheless, but I don't know who so they have to request it from you directly.


So I like boxerfred more than Sulfurus

The only thing I have on sulfurus as townie was the day 1 response to me, other than that, I haven't been impressed.

Boxer has atleast talked, pushed reads, made cases evven if they werent right. He seems to come from a townier perspective than Sulfurus does.

Id lynch dis over SL, but toher than my reasoning on day 1 i dont really have anything as why.

I'm going to do some filter diving later on tonight.

Hold me to it this time. I swear it will get done.

On May 29 2015 22:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So I actually Wa,t to lynch Sulfurus.

I filter dived, and when I reached the surface I came back up with nothing. Sulf later play has lacked highly. The day 1 was ok, but not enough for a town read.

##Vote:Sulfurus
I'm posti,g from my,phone but I can't really quote anything atm.

On May 30 2015 02:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2015 00:12 disformation wrote:
On May 29 2015 22:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So I actually Wa,t to lynch Sulfurus.

I filter dived, and when I reached the surface I came back up with nothing. Sulf later play has lacked highly. The day 1 was ok, but not enough for a town read.

##Vote:Sulfurus
I'm posti,g from my,phone but I can't really quote anything atm.


if you are town you are making this game a lot harder. that is not very original and looks a lot like sheeping to save your ass...
pretty disappointed so far.
do you have anything else?
your play D1 was way better... getting the feeling you lost interest after scott flipped...


but yeah i dont think we can lynch plotspot today, without finding something amazing...

tunneltoc and waffleboy (thats me in case someone doesnt get it) best team :p

also phone post. will be at home in 30min


Lol, i dont care about the scott flip. Scott did nthing to help us find the other two mafia. We have no reads based on that except for voting and probably high bussing. Im going off of what i know.

How is that not original? I was reading Sulfurus town day 1. Many people have been calling me scummy for this, but i am reevaluating my read.

I gave what I have already. I said we dont lynch any of the claimed roles, and we dont lynch the greenchecks. The greencheck on the other person that was checked could very well be real, and i know the greencheck on me is real because i am town.


By comparing these two:
Sulfurus asks her a really good question. She doesn't answer that.
Meanwhile 27ninjabunnies kinda sheeps the general points everyone raises about Sulfurus. And I kinda have a problem that she went from "best newbie ever" to "Day 1 was okay". Although she says that she needs to reevaluate him D2, so this kinda fits in her read progression.


After rereading the conclusion:
27ninjabunnies looks straight up more scummy her. I hesitated voting her because the math suggests this might be a bad idea. Thought about it for a second and reconsidered.
How is lynching the scummiest person around a bad idea?

##vote 27ninjabunnies
This time for real and I want to be really amazed before I unvote this time.

sry for waffling around this much town.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 29 2015 20:42 GMT
#1882
EWBOP:
27ninjabunnies looks straight up more scummy heree.

Also inb4 somebody finds something and I start to waffle again.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 29 2015 20:45 GMT
#1883
On May 29 2015 12:38 Sulfurus wrote:
@27nb How can you recommend me as a good cop check N1 when had me as town up untill D2 (which also happens to be the day I first put you on my scum list)?

Honestly I am starting to really like the world where NinjaBunnies the GF attempted to pocket on D1 to get more votes for he mislynches.

Looking at that post again she also recommended that Breske be checked even though she apperently townread him since D1. How was she planning on getting any information from that?


can someone bring up the quote where bunnies asks breske to be checked? About to vote sulp i think
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
May 29 2015 20:46 GMT
#1884
Okay who's bunnies partner if she's the gf? Does she really just afk vote her scum mate today when town rb, cop, and madon are left?

Is it SL? Disfo?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 29 2015 20:46 GMT
#1885
I feel like boxerfred has a great chance to flip mafia
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 29 2015 20:49 GMT
#1886
On May 30 2015 05:45 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2015 12:38 Sulfurus wrote:
@27nb How can you recommend me as a good cop check N1 when had me as town up untill D2 (which also happens to be the day I first put you on my scum list)?

Honestly I am starting to really like the world where NinjaBunnies the GF attempted to pocket on D1 to get more votes for he mislynches.

Looking at that post again she also recommended that Breske be checked even though she apperently townread him since D1. How was she planning on getting any information from that?


can someone bring up the quote where bunnies asks breske to be checked? About to vote sulp i think


Right away good sir.
On May 24 2015 11:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Good cop checks/vig shots

Dis
BF
Sulf(rather cop check)
And Breshke (Cop check)

What do we think of BM as a vig shot?

sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 29 2015 20:49 GMT
#1887
why are neither bunnies or sulp putting up any sort of defense tho?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
May 29 2015 20:50 GMT
#1888
On May 30 2015 05:46 sicklucker wrote:
I feel like boxerfred has a great chance to flip mafia


This is his first game who the fuck plays like this their first game ever AND as mafia ?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 29 2015 20:51 GMT
#1889
On May 30 2015 05:49 sicklucker wrote:
why are neither bunnies or sulp putting up any sort of defense tho?


bunnies already had a bit of a "on the verge of giving up" feeling earlier, too. Something which made me waffle.
On May 30 2015 02:11 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Lol, I care. It's just been a long week. Haha, and I shouldn't have /in on two games. Keeping up with both is super tough.

sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 29 2015 20:53 GMT
#1890
bunnies has lied a few times blatantly god dammit there both so scummy.

On May 22 2015 07:05 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2015 07:00 sicklucker wrote:
1st


Scum



like she tried to rub this off as not a joke vote but a serious vote because I claimed town
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 29 2015 20:53 GMT
#1891
EBWOP:
Sry misread.
You asked why noone is defending them. Instead "why aren't they defending themselves harder".
ticktoc made a defensive case for Sulfurus:
On May 28 2015 15:13 Tictock wrote:
Suls filter is short, and there's only been 2 votes. Time to do some analysis/defending!

Sul opens with his response to SL's QT stuff and 27nb's, immediately pushes Breshke for his pressure on SL.
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On May 22 2015 10:24 Sulfurus wrote:
@sicklucker is it not normal for the mafia QT to be open during pregame b/c if it is you shouldn't have made that dumbtell
also ##Vote: Breshke

On May 22 2015 11:34 Sulfurus wrote:
@NinjaBunnies the most important point in this game so far is when Breshke 1st stared pushing on Sicklucker since the conflict between the two has defined the entire game.

Speaking of that, Breshke is my top scum since he continuously pushes against Sicklucker with very bad reasoning (#159 he complains that he has disappeared and hasn't thought critically only 3 hours into the game)

I also scum read Murray due to his weak and untrue accusation against Dis in post #191 which made me think Sick is town since he tried Bandwagoning on him but he has since rescinded his vote.



Calls out SL for contradicting himself a little
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On May 22 2015 11:39 Sulfurus wrote:
@sicklucker I think you are executing this rxn test very poorly since you just congratulated me on having "the best post in the thread" which you probably wouldn't do to some1 you have a red on.



Swaps vote from Bre to BM. Gives good reasons why he is swapping.
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On May 22 2015 13:07 Sulfurus wrote:
Unvote Breshke
##Vote: Bill Murray

I am actually astonished at how Murray can make so many posts with out providing anything of value on top of the fact that he has pushed every one of his agenda's in a scummy manner.

In posts 231 - 235 Breshke defends himself and Plotspot in a towny way and reading back Sicklucker is less towny than I thought so Breshke is no longer my top mafia.



Gives more of a townread on Bre, then unvotes BM. His reasons here seem fairly poor
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On May 23 2015 07:19 Sulfurus wrote:
Breshke is definitely more town than I thought, he defended plotspot (I don't care how he did it just that he did at all) and I've realized that his tunnel on SL is pro-town since he got he put pressure on someone who is a hard read.

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2015 10:25 Bill Murray wrote:
Disinformation the game so far has been people reacting to a post batsnacks has , premade,


I completely misunderstood what this post meant I thought it was BM saying the Dis hadn't done anything this game. That combined with what SL said about him being mislynch bait means that I'll rescind my vote off of him. ##Unvote



Says he is unsure why 27nb is defending him, gives a super weak tonwread on me then claims Bara as top town. In fact he likes Bara's points about Bats opening so much he votes Bats.
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 24 2015 06:04 Sulfurus wrote:
I admit even I am confused as to why NinjaBunnies is defending me so hard; right now the only vote on her is Tictock (someone who I have had a townread on longer then anyone else) but she is definitely someone who needs to be looked at later.

For me the the person with the most useful reads and my top town is Barakos; he was the one who helped me townread Breshke and scumread Disformation with this post, he has shown a healthy suspicion of NinjaBunnies, and he influenced me to un-vote BM, along with SL, with his coinflip argument (for the record I still think SL is town).

My favorite Barakos post so far is this one right here especially the Batsnacks part which shows how scummy he truly is (Bat's overly defensive reactions in posts 538 & 539 don't help his case either) so while he won't get lynched today I'll definitely be pushing for his death tomorrow.

##Vote: Batsnacks



Further explains about his vote on Bats
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On May 24 2015 06:26 Sulfurus wrote:
@Tictock I think the Bats post you quoted is just straight up wrong. He literally cherry picked quotes to paint himself as a productive member of town when in reality it was people like Breshke and yourself who got the conversation started.

And the reason I like Berakos's post so much is that it showed that Bat really didn't care about making reads off of his I-ching post like he said he would.

On May 24 2015 06:41 Sulfurus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2015 20:04 batsnacks wrote:
Even though everyone in the thread is posting bs, and not following up on their bs, you have chosen to single out my bs out of all the other bs. How can you have a problem with the bs I posted at the start of the game and NOT have a problem with the bs other people were posting at the start of the game? Especially when my bs generated more discussion than anyone else's bs.


Show nested quote +
On May 23 2015 20:04 batsnacks wrote:
Especially when my bs generated more discussion than anyone else's bs.


This is pretty much a textbook example of a humblebrag he is pretending to self-deprecate his contributions when in reality he is saying his actions are towny.



Gives thoughts about Vig shooting SL being better than cop checking
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On May 24 2015 14:46 Sulfurus wrote:
I predict that if cop receives a town check on SL people will accuse him of being GF/SK and lynch him anyway, so cop should not check him.

A vigi shot on him is fine since the only way town doesn't kill him is if he claims a role.



Clarifies his stance on BM to Dis, he's saying BM is mislynch bait here... Also defends SL.
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 25 2015 14:14 Sulfurus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2015 19:57 disformation wrote:
Sulfurus:

1)
On May 24 2015 06:04 Sulfurus wrote:
For me the the person with the most useful reads and my top town is Barakos; he was the one who helped me townread Breshke and scumread Disformation with this post, he has shown a healthy suspicion of NinjaBunnies, and he influenced me to un-vote BM, along with SL, with his coinflip argument (for the record I still think SL is town).]

In the bolded post Barakos talks about sicklucker not me.


Whoops I believe that should be a link to post 264

Show nested quote +

2)
On May 24 2015 15:04 Sulfurus wrote:
@Breshke I'll reread one more time and then I'll answer.

I'd like him to follow up on this.

3)
He also totally ignored my case/push on him. Maybe because I was the only one seeing something in this?

Don't get me wrong, he has a bunch of stuff I like. But I'd def. like to see a more of this guy, before I can give him a solid town read.


IIRC your 'case' against me is that I called Bill Murray 'mislynch bait' which came off as TMI to you. TBH I don't actually know if Bill is town or not but I thought that term sounded better then 'lynch bait' since bait is usually a kind of trap you don't want to get caught in (think fishing) but we want to lynch mafia not avoid it (hopefully that makes sense).

As for Sicklucker I feel he has been so busy defending himself that he hasn't been able to give any useful reads and Rels gave a very good accusation of him here so I don't think I will bother defending and I may even vote on him if it comes down to it.

@Bill Murray I don't quite understand why you rescinded your vote off of SL. Can you please explain?


Gives us a PoE list and votes SL
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On May 26 2015 13:29 Sulfurus wrote:
As of this moment my lynches are

Sicklucker
Batsnacks
27NinjaBunnies
Bill Murray
BoxerFred

in that order

I admit it's kinda weird that 3 of those names voted for confirmed mafia but considering how Scott was playing the idea of a bus isn't too far-fetched.

##Vote: Sicklucker



Responds to a couple of questions from me, reminds me of his stance on Bats and disagrees with my stance on plots
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On May 26 2015 13:52 Sulfurus wrote:
@TicTock
I actually already talked about Bats yesterday.

It's mostly based off of what Barakos said and I think his points still stand.

On May 26 2015 18:15 Sulfurus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2015 14:08 Tictock wrote:
Oh yea last thought @ Sul

I do like your PoE list besides having BS 2nd. Right now I'm thinking

SL
27nb
BM
plots
BF

Plots and BF are pretty much interchangeable in that list right now though.


I town read Plots for the simple reason that he scumread Rels after he died.

Like what incentive does he have to do that as mafia? There is no mislynch he can push there and I don't think he realized I would town read him for that. Even if that was the purpose he would have tried to 'get credit' for it at some point instead of letting people forget about that read. In general Plot's demeanor this game has been to try get information into the hands of town instead of trying to push any kind of malicious agenda.


Pressures Bats to explain his switch to BM (i'd like to know this as well)
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 27 2015 14:04 Sulfurus wrote:
@Batsnacks please go in depth on why you changed your vote to Bill Murray.


Agrees BF is speculating too much about roles, but says he is likely town.
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On May 28 2015 06:38 Sulfurus wrote:
I agree that BoxerFred should stop talking about roles since it only helps mafia but all his specualtion seems really genuine and I think if he was mafia he would save that stuff for their QT.

Also I think he is extremely towny for going against the grain and voting Bunnies yesterday.



Thinks it's likely bunnies is trying to pocket him
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 28 2015 06:49 Sulfurus wrote:
Also I agree with the logic that Bunnies was trying to pocket me because I am new only to change her read when she realized that wouldn't work.



There's also his posts asking Bats why he is suddenly the #1 target and his pointing out that Bunnies could be potential GF, these were so recent I'm not bothering quoting.

The Votes:

Day 1 Sul left his vote on Bats. It's a throwaway vote but it is in line with his reads all game.

Day 2 Again left his vote on SL.

Sul's votes dont look great, but he's not around often to change his vote and he gives decent reasoning why he is voting as he does. His vote on SL is weak, but he never gave much indication he'd be willing to vote either bunnies or BM so it makes sense.

To me the biggest point here is Sul calling out BM as mislynch bait, scum would not point out someone as a potential mislynch bait. I'm also not seeing anything here that indicates scum behavior.

Given all this, you guys had better give some damed good reasons why Sul is scum.

To me 27nb is still the clear target as nothing has actually cleared her of any of the reasons she was being lynched D2. Green check when there is a possibility of GF is not enough.

sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 29 2015 20:54 GMT
#1892
On May 23 2015 08:56 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2015 08:44 disformation wrote:
On May 23 2015 08:37 27ninjabunnies wrote:
OMGUS? Did you call me mafia? I can't remember?

What connection between sulfurus and me?
I called sulfurus town. Not much to it.
I still need to read Sulfurus' recent posts to get a feel for if still town or not. But from early posts, yes. sulfurus seemed pretty town.


I was implying a possible mafia connection between him and you via:
On May 22 2015 11:43 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Sulfurus top town newbie read.
Not lynching for entire game.

Or maybe atleast 2 days

Which is imo way stronger than you giving him a town read. Especially for that one post (which had a mistake in it).


I see me giving a read on sulfurus, but has sulfurus actually given a read on me? *Reads sulfurus filter* Nope

So not sure how you can see a connection, except a one sided connection.

Top newbie read- he was a newbie, commented on a question I asked, and his answer seemed genuine at the time


disinfo called out as a team early. She defended hard lol.

But if they are a team why didnt they concede yet?
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
May 29 2015 20:59 GMT
#1893
Im not defendng because i have to go to work, and im kinda worn out by this game.

If you lynch me, you lynch me, but you are lynching a green check, which is dumb.

I've repeatedly said to lynch outside of greens and look into other people outside of blues.

but nooooooooooooo.

Lynch the greencheck

dumb
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 29 2015 21:00 GMT
#1894
bah I could go either way probably sulp. Gonna read boxers filter now because I love shennanies
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 29 2015 21:01 GMT
#1895
This is your t-minus 60 minutes warning

~ Vote Count ~

27ninjabunnies (4) : Tictock (X), sicklucker, Tictock (X), Sulfurus, batsnacks, disformation (X), disformation
Sulfurus (3) : batsnacks (X), Barakos (X), sicklucker (X), disformation (X), plotspot, Barakos, 27ninjabunnies
plotspot (1) : Tictock (X), Barakos (X), disformation (X), Tictock (X), boxerfred (X), Tictock
disformation (1) : boxerfred (X), boxerfred
boxerfred (0) : disformation (X)
no-lynch (0) : plotspot (X)

Not voting (1) : no-lynch

Currently, 27ninjabunnies is set to be lynched!
The day phase will end at Friday, May 29 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), about 60 minutes (!!!) from this post.
remain as you are reading this.

Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in this thread.

If you see any vote out of place, scream your head off and maybe someone will notice.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 29 2015 21:01 GMT
#1896
Your green check is garbage because there a gf in the game like 90%+ of the time and barkos is 95%+ town
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 29 2015 21:02 GMT
#1897
name 2 mafia bunnies
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
May 29 2015 21:02 GMT
#1898
On May 30 2015 05:59 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Im not defendng because i have to go to work, and im kinda worn out by this game.

If you lynch me, you lynch me, but you are lynching a green check, which is dumb.

I've repeatedly said to lynch outside of greens and look into other people outside of blues.

but nooooooooooooo.

Lynch the greencheck

dumb


If you get lynched when you're green checked you should uninstall mafia.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 29 2015 21:09 GMT
#1899
Like im kiliing them in any order unless boxer has the scummiest filter of all time. Whatever
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 29 2015 21:11 GMT
#1900
hitting a mafia is pretty important here tho. We can double cop check roleblock someone like disinfo/boxerfred and have a confirmed
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