Assassination Mafia!

On May 10 2015 12:50 VisceraEyes wrote:

I'm town and not colored green. I hate this list.

On May 10 2015 14:55 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

THAT'S A BOLD PROPOSITION SIR.

What is with the first page being all people saying they are town? Is that like a thing now?

On May 11 2015 08:12 GlowingBear wrote:
It's a shame veterans are too afraid to be the n0 kill and not contributing at all
Anyway I've already out of posts so I'll be waiting for dawn

On May 11 2015 23:30 sandroba wrote:

fixed it for you.

I wouldn't mind killing jat either.

On May 12 2015 02:06 LightningStrike wrote:

Why is JAT scum?

On May 12 2015 02:12 justanothertownie wrote:

Cute. If you said why my reads are trash tier I might be able to take you serious.

On May 12 2015 02:25 justanothertownie wrote:

The "reads" post you are talking about is the answer to HTS? The post where I said I don't really know who to lynch yet, yes?

On May 12 2015 02:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Duh?

On a side note, I haven't really looked into the Jat case but it looked okay at a glance. I'll try to find time to look into it soonish.

On May 12 2015 02:53 rsoultin wrote:
12/60



ummm he's lynching bm? what's your point?

@xata

don't take this to the bank cause bad track record but i actually think ls could be town this game for the silly little smurf sidebar lol >< also for some of the phrasing used when he did it

kinda more interested why this is the only thing you want to talk about, though. let me make it easy. not lynching ls right now. give me someone else you want to lynch

On May 12 2015 07:03 KelsierSC wrote:
why is anyone giving posts to this idiot?

bh is town , stopping nukes hitting marv is a pro town move.

On May 12 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote:
Rsoul serious scum, she just went from me scum to agreeing with BM?

His only point is that I claimed traitor. How can she agree with those points? I didn't claim traitor, If I was going to claim traitor I would use some hidden BBCode to do it. NOT SAY I WISH I WAS GOING TO GET TRAITOR... And she knows I would do it that way thats how I handle my claims. So she is pushing me on false points agreeing with BM.

That would be like the worse play ever. I maybe dumb but really not that dumb. I thought I could get a town PM and then get the role Traitor but then realized I cant...

On May 12 2015 08:22 GlowingBear wrote:


Point out what is horrible in my read. Saying that his role usage isn't definitive isn't enough

On May 12 2015 08:55 TalkingDead wrote:
The best lynch right now is the BM policy lynch.

I disagree with yamato about GlowingBear's read on Blazinghand. It was something I was thinking at the time and reaffirms my townread on GlowingBear. It's less about how Blazinghand is using his role than it is about Blazinghand's approach to the game that's telling to me. I can imagine scenarios where Blazinghand instantly negates the nuke on Trfel (empathy/sympathy/whatever) and I can imagine scenarios where Blazinghand tries to engage Palmer regarding shooting down the marvellosity Nuke (trying to get separate reads on a player who can be difficult to read). However, it's the contrasting approach which is quite interesting and relevant. Blazinghand while relatively insane is not stupid; he has far more to gain (as town) from interacting with Trfel to get a read on him. Trfel as I recall had a handful of posts at the time and, while I and many if I recall were soft townreading him, I don't think there's any strong definitive read to be made at that point. Rather, when the marvellosity (who was obviously town at that point) nuke is confirmed seeks approval. Blazinghand is the type of player who will literally march to the beat of his own drum to his own detriment. So the fact that he's seeking approval for doing something that's quite obviously townie is exceptionally out of character.

The closest thing to being semi-productive that Blazinghand has done this game is this post:


Normally, BH would have some crazy insane convoluted plan to find scum. He usually uses RNG to decide the day 1 lynch (more often as town than as mafia in my experience). Yet this game the closest thing to insane that he's done is the Trfel anti-nuke. His play is out of character even for him. Yes, the action usage is marginally useless, but the reasons (or more appropriately lack of reasons) behind his actions point towards him not being town.

On May 12 2015 09:02 TalkingDead wrote:
Reposted because it's relevant and people seem to have dropped the idea entirely.

However, the person that I find the most interesting is Oatsmaster. Generally what I've seen from Oatsmaster as town is that he's abrasive and does his own thing. Whereas in this game, he tends to just follow what's going on with thread sentiment. Specifically:





The thing is though that Sandroba's points on me haven't really changed for the most part. It's been spread on the same set of things for the most part. So there's no real clear reason for the change from "made up fake shit" to "great read." The's also really not a clear reason for Sandroba going from town to mafia.

Then after marvellosity makes his large post, Oats seems to drop everything and switch to BillMurray. He had previously fingered BillMurray for seemingly no reason (it was before either nuke). Rather, Oats just seems to follow the thread sentiment and look to blend. He has only hints at why his reads are and there's no discernible progression. That in my experience is scum!Oats.

On May 12 2015 09:09 Trfel wrote:
Actually, now that I think about it again, maybe I could still lynch Bill Murray....

On May 12 2015 10:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Lol
Yamato, pls

TD said exactly what I said, but in a more wordy paragraph.

Like, pls.

Bill Murray won't be lynched today.

I'm starting to be suspicious of Kelsen for reasons unknown. Gut feelings

On May 12 2015 18:44 marvellosity wrote:

you're not a good enough player to understand what a policy lynch is

On May 12 2015 18:52 marvellosity wrote:

it's an excellent lynch, you're just too bad to get it

On May 12 2015 18:58 marvellosity wrote:
Seen it been mentioned a few times, but I think BH is a pretty terrible lynch, certainly anyone saving me from a nuke I am not going to vote for today.

Three people who I think are good lynches, other than BM:

Vivax - somehow when I read his posts last night they didn't seem *too* uninteresting. So I was left feeling a little town from it. But in the end, they led nowhere, game has been going on quite a while now, not enough to hang my hat on

Oats - promised GB he'd try properly this game. I don't really remember his posts.

Xatalos - he's boring. that's enough.

I'm not very sure about my earlier Onegu read. I read Onegu + rsoultin arguing last night when I was pretty baked and I couldn't work out what the fuck was going on. Anyone have any bright insights?

On May 12 2015 19:05 marvellosity wrote:
Although (p48) BM is still trying surprisingly harder than he might if he were mafia. And with longer posts than usual too. meh

On May 12 2015 19:12 TalkingDead wrote:

I've looked at it. Significantly less effort. Very short posts. Mostly careless. That said, the situations aren't really comparable in any realistic way.

On May 12 2015 20:14 GlowingBear wrote:
##Pardon: Bill Murray

Now lynch someone that is scum.

Bye.

On May 13 2015 06:07 Palmar wrote:
I don't know what Vivax is and I doubt I'll be able to read him before the lynch. I'm not gonna vote him but I won't defend him.

I'm not even sure I want to demand you guys sheep me onto sandroba.

Marv could actually be mafia btw.

On May 13 2015 06:08 Palmar wrote:

What is awful about this?

On May 13 2015 06:08 Vivax wrote:


Why not "y u so mafia?"

On May 12 2015 23:47 Damdred wrote:
Idk what's happening in the thread I just woke up and saw that pardon, and I kist want to say dumbest thing ever. Bm could be town but having town talk about him for another day is stupid

##kill bill murry

back to catching up

On May 13 2015 07:14 LightningStrike wrote:

I just checked her filter and she didn't really speak much on what alignment she think Xata is and would prefer her to explain her exact position on Xata right now(The post I saw of her thing about Xata was she might end up voting him but who knows). Anyways I going to vote Xata I think KSC's case on him and other people's thoughts on him are pretty solid and would allow Vivax to live for another day just hope he will step it up.
##Unvote
##Vote: Xatalos

On May 13 2015 07:25 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, this switch to BH wagon feels unnatural and I bet we have at least one scum in the main wagons.

I'm voting Vivax or Oats today. No one else.

On May 13 2015 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
I made it boys, who are we lynching?

On May 13 2015 08:06 Blazinghand wrote:
bah, this is why I should just RNG, so I don't have to deal with garbage like this D1. back to RNG starting next game

On May 13 2015 08:09 Blazinghand wrote:


Yamato is definitely scum for this post, btw, for knowing I'm flipping town, and posting this, and voting me.

On May 13 2015 08:10 Blazinghand wrote:


Xat has more votes. I'll vote whoever has the most votes and isn't me

On May 13 2015 08:11 Blazinghand wrote:

no denial, no backtrack, because he can't; all he can do is joke and try to draw attention away from it.

On May 13 2015 08:12 Blazinghand wrote:


given that part of the case on me is literally "blazinghand isn't putting up much resistance, which he usually does as town" (a statement that is, of course, once again people not understanding my meta because people is bad) your quesiton is invalid

plus you're changing things up

On May 13 2015 08:16 GlowingBear wrote:


Vivax has the same amount of votes Xatalos has after I voted him.
Vote Vivax to save yourself and lynch scum

Yamato is only berating me, he says BH isn't scum for bad usage of his role but votes BH because of the usage of his role LOL YOU'RE HILARIOUS YAMATO

On May 13 2015 08:17 Damdred wrote:
Here's the question, do we give xata more,time to prove he's town if he is?

I think,if he's highly busy as he claimed sooner or later we can,catch him big,him or cop,check him if we want.

He's scummy at this point but his,final,post seemed kinda genuine to a degree to me.

We then have BH who is kinda meh and vivax who the wagon evaporated like td and GB have said. It is concerning I'm sorta tempted to give xata a little more time and lynch vivax or bh today.

On May 13 2015 08:22 Blazinghand wrote:
Hmm, so in terms of lurkers, I think batsnacks is a good shot. I think for example calling me, Trfel, and BM all town right out the gate for this reason http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24244396 doesn't really ehelp you find scum (even though he's probably right) so not sure why he'd do it. His weird filter statement and his odd reason for scumreading Sandro all stand out to me. When I thought Sandro was scum, it didn't bother me, but now that I think Sandro is town (mostly for the fact that he decided to actually do some research) I feel like bats is just pulling our leg with the blue softclaim. I think if he were a real blue he'd fabricate a case on Sandro rather than saying "sandro is scum, I habe a blue role that says so". Heck, if his blue role really says Sandro is scum, why isn't batsnacks pushing? why the vote and afk?

batsnacks is scum

On May 13 2015 08:32 Blazinghand wrote:


I'm obvious lynch bait. Look, JAT and Rsoultin have personal animus against me, so they're always gonna vote me (no matter what they say about cases or what not). As I said before the game, I'm not available during the first 24 hours of D1, and people didn't see the beauty of the work I did based on N0. Although I used my powers to good effect during the first half of today, Bill murray was pardoned then shot so we don't get a flip, and the people I've saved for some reason have rationalized that I'd do this as mafia (ಠ_ಠ) so here I am.

Everyone knows I have shit D1s as town where It ypically claim Blue, then N1/D2 I ramp up. People have different opinions on how skilled I am, but we all know that's how I play. I actually used my abilities REALLY well when I REALLY wouldn't have to do that as scum. And sure, I was legit straight up sheeping Palmar, but when Sandro did the townie thing I unvoted him because I'm actually trying to solve the game. Am I a snarky asshole about it? sure, yeah, that's me. But I'm going over my post limit and risking getting modkilled and banned because winning is more important to me than anything else. If I get lynched this game, I will fight, and I will fight hard enough that afterwards you will ALL look like MORONS for lynching me

and in the post game, I will call you bad.

and you will deserve it.

On May 13 2015 08:33 Blazinghand wrote:


"blazinghand is scum cause he's inactive and not giving reads. blazinghand, if you die, it's your fault"

*I start giving reads and playing*

"blazinghand as scum can be active and give reads you guys"

##unvote
##vote yamato77

On May 13 2015 08:35 Stutters695 wrote:
Well I've read the BH case. I could see it but it doesn't feel as sure as Vivax at all to me. Kind of reminds me of when we mislynched him in Les Mis. Iirc he couldn't be assed there to defend himself, but he started contributing towards the future even though he was dead. I kind of get that vibe here and vivax doesn't give a shit. He's easily the better lynch imo.

On May 13 2015 08:35 Blazinghand wrote:




So... what's the deal here yamato? Do you actually have a reason for lynching me? I think it's pretty obvious what's going on here, and anyone listening to you on townreading you should be seriously questioning the yamato townread

On May 13 2015 08:39 Blazinghand wrote:


So, this isn't an actual objection given that I've like, had a fair number of contributions, even if they're not literally that enormous case on Damdred I made that last game that was so long I got lynched because people didn't read it. Also, all of this is dodging the issue, which isn't how I've been playing....

it's about how your heuristic doesn't make sense. "lynch BH becasue he's inactive" is fine, but saying that WHILE saying "Bh being active is a thing scum bh does" says to ME that you aren't trying to hunt scum, because your throught process isn't progressing naturally.

On May 13 2015 08:41 Blazinghand wrote:


bolded is something you didn't say, scummato

On May 13 2015 08:46 marvellosity wrote:

do you seriously still think i am mafia??

On May 13 2015 08:48 Trfel wrote:
The timing is not ideal, but deal with it. I've told you why I'm not completely sure on him, but I his weird reads as of late are really making me want to lynch him more.

On May 13 2015 08:51 Blazinghand wrote:
oh vivax has like, a decent chance of being town, I just need to live so I'm totally down with lynching him

On May 13 2015 08:51 marvellosity wrote:

i agree with this, minus the insult

i have a game in mind that i can't remember right now that really heavily reminds me of his play here. i'll find it tomorrow if someone prods me. or i'll just remember

On May 13 2015 08:58 Damdred wrote:
Seriously....I'd rather not,lynch,vivax now.

Get on rsoulin

On May 13 2015 10:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Kiel, how did I float under the rader?

Yamato looks scummy as fuck for not saying anything other than lynch bh multiple times.

On May 13 2015 11:12 Oatsmaster wrote:

Go on, give actual reasons for at least one of your reads.

From what I read, your BH read was that "hes not doing anything".

On May 14 2015 11:29 GlowingBear wrote:


SO YOU BERATE ME ALL GAME LONG JUST TO FULLY AGREE WITH ME YOU PRICK I HATE YOU

On May 14 2015 13:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Sweet.

Anyway, the mafiateam already know so I'll just say it. Marv made a mason group on D1 with me and Palmar in it. Unless you think marv mafia recruiting mason invited a mafia teammate into the group in Palmar, then marv is pretty much lock-clear town. That doesn't make me town or anything, but I can assure you I'm town and I /think/ marv would vouch for me.

Marv is like confirmed town, or should be imo.

On May 14 2015 13:47 GlowingBear wrote:
HOLD ME
HOLD ME

I'M ABOUT TO YOLO THIS

HOLD ME

On May 14 2015 13:50 GlowingBear wrote:
With all you've being saying, I'd rather not shoot oats either and let him play a bit more.

New shoot list:

- BH
-TalkingDead
- Yamato
- JAT

Yes, yamato is there.

On May 14 2015 13:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like from my perspective it's hard because I have a firmer townread of marv than anyone based on the masoning. It seems pretty all-in for mafia to recruit only me from the town team to the chat D1 with the possibility of having TWO townies think you're town based on a masoning. That would mean that they were betting on BOTH of them living while he invited further townies. And Sandroba WAS added, and then subsequently killed in the night. So this is a pretty elaborate ruse that is building up as you can see if you marv is mafia. And very focused on fooling ONLY me, at least until this point right here. Do YOU think marfia marv bets everything that VE can convince town of not only his own innocence, but marv's as well?

Because I don't. Marv is too good to bet those odds.

On May 14 2015 13:53 VisceraEyes wrote:

How would you classify your own play this game?

On May 14 2015 13:52 VisceraEyes wrote:

He spent most of his time talking about how marv and I should be reading him town. You know how he do. But he WAS relatively active.

On May 14 2015 13:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
yamato is like 80% scum, 20% insane.

On May 14 2015 14:09 GlowingBear wrote:


I just felt like YOLOing into JAT. He has a very good shot on being scum.

On May 14 2015 14:35 GlowingBear wrote:
ARGH I should have yoloed

I don't even want to read people in the obs qt calling me bad

I feel horrible

On May 15 2015 01:06 GlowingBear wrote:
Why are you guys ignoring the fact that yamato asked like hell for me to shoot BH becausr it would be informational but does not use his flip and randomly starts talking about Onegu?

On May 15 2015 03:17 LightningStrike wrote:

Why you think HTS is scum if she doesn't comment on your Onegu lynch? Can you also show me the case on Onegu being scum please?

On May 15 2015 03:20 justanothertownie wrote:

Dude. Serious talk for a minute even though the trolling is really fun.

You incorrectly shot me, now you could at least pay a little respect to my reads.

On May 15 2015 03:26 batsnacks wrote:


I don't like the cut of your jib, friend. Jat is town anyway.

On May 15 2015 03:31 Half the Sky wrote:
14/60

A few points - Xatalos shot was not a bad one IMO (I mean seriously, he's fallen off again) although seeing his flip would have been really nice. I really do hope there is a coroner around this game.

My take on Onegu:

Argument between him and rsoultin - based on tone as I said before D1, I was seeing both town and scum tendencies in him. I was very torn that he's going after Rasputin, although basd on meta a key thing that made Rasputin scum was her tendency to hesitate for a post or two when people scumread her. She has adapted her scumgame well, but this game given the reasoning she's had particularly her long novel on n1, really makes me believe she's town.

Yeh the formatting of her posts has hurt my head sometimes, but her reads are pretty clear even if she doesn't use the exact language to scumread someone (ie this person is scum).

The key argument against Onegu regarding the case on Rasputin - to put it in one sentence - is that he's using ONE scumtell on her (instead of multiple that there are, and that he IS aware of, per our experience in NSM7) and a key scumtell I haven't seen is her hesitation for 1-2 posts before she responds if she is scumread. It's hard to articulate, but I haven't seen it here, and he's ignored that particular tell.

Separate from this argument, he's been pushing LS, who I also don't like this game at all either (but that's a separate issue) though I see he's claiming a blue role as well.

I'd say my biggest issue with Onegu is that he's really sparse with the scumreads. There are 4 scum remaining so if LS is blue, who is he scumreading now?

Basically your lynch isn't a bad one at this point.

On May 15 2015 03:40 LightningStrike wrote:
Yamato if Onegu flips town who you think would be scum and why?

On May 15 2015 04:02 batsnacks wrote:


Basically I claimed vt subtly and Jat, rs, and oats picked up on it immediately. I think this was early enough in the game that mafia wouldn't have asked for fakes yet.

VE, yamato, BH, LS, and you (GB) all blatantly missed it so you're all most likely either blues or mafia.

Sandro also picked up on it btw but I missed it because I wasn't reading and was afk at eod. So voting Sandro was a mistake.

On May 15 2015 05:03 Trfel wrote:
Hi, yamato77.

Did you notice anything weird last night?

On May 15 2015 08:00 GlowingBear wrote:
SO ENLIGHTEN ME YOU AWFUL PRICKS

WHO IS MAFIA AND WHY?

STOP SITTING BACK WITH YOUR AWFUL EGOS ECHOING IN THE THREAD THAT ALL PLAYERS ARE BAD AND DO SOME WORK

GOD

On May 16 2015 14:10 GlowingBear wrote:


Because...?