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On April 16 2015 13:25 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 13:21 The Shining wrote:On April 16 2015 13:09 Tubesock wrote:On April 16 2015 13:03 The Shining wrote:
Trfel, you've been flip floppy a lot today. You offered no lynch, then back tracked. Your eon reaction seemed a little fake. You let off some anger then rescinded it.
Now you're back to no lynch. Could this be because you know who the blues are now?
What is your current read on me? My recent actions. My vig claim. I need you to stop posting flip flops and find scum/start poe.
HTS defended you when I called you out on your vote to hammer Dwarf mislynch over prpl. This could explain HTS nk. If she's dead, she never revisits Trfel. If Breshke is in fact vet, then that's 3 town on Prpl. Stutters, hts, breshke. The other is jjb, who I'm not convinced is town but this is partially due to bias from our last game together.
RSo, I'd actually like to see your current thoughts on JJB.
This, coupled with the fact that Trfel hammered Dwarf, shows me Prpl is scum. Whether it was Breshke panicking and setting up to bus Prl, or Trfel hammering to save scummate Prpl, the conclusion is still that Prpl is scum in this world.
I think I'm voting Prpl, provided Bresh isn't cc'd.
Note: I'm on the subway typing this post. No phone service. The last post when I started was Breshke's unvote post. Anything after that, I haven't seen or read yet so I apologize if the timing of this post seems awkward. Did you notice the other person who immediately noticed that Half the Sky was vigi shot? Do you mean the fact that Trfels reaction that I called fake had already assumed Stutters was vigi shot? And was that you trying to get me to slip? I shot Stutters, not HTS. Is it not obvious who was vigilante shot and who was nightkilled? Half the Sky was the obvious night kill, clear as day. The only other possibility was Breshke, for his various mentions of power roles and setup speculation. No vigilante would shoot Half the Sky, and no mafia team would shoot Stutters695 instead of Half the Sky here. Are you really suspicious of me for this?
I am! But I could be wrong. I thought Stutters was blue hinting pretty good. Plus, he was showing signs of turning on his towniness.
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Stutters was also trying to initiate contact and dialoque with Prplhz. He was trying to lead town and become a consensus builder.
You can totally disagree, but this shows you are not thinking about the game as much as you are letting on.
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On April 16 2015 13:31 Breshke wrote:
Um so I also was one who "knew" stutters was vigi shot and not HTS if you look at my vigi claim i said i shot stutters. It was trefels psot that amde me actually think about it and when you do its obvious. Like anyone who was going to shoot HTS wouldn't have waited this long.
So if your going to start pushing scum on people for saying stutters was vigi shot you should include me.
Right there. You still had to "think" about it. Plus, I'm still heavily considering you to be mafia, so yeah of course I'm going to push it on you too. But you're not as immediate either.
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I don't think you can just immediately KNOW. Maybe it's just my point of view though. I think Stutters could have been a good night kill also. I have to check to see if you were towning STutters or not. If you weren't then you may have a good argument. But if you were towning him it's something I'm going to be thinking a lot about.
Anyway, I have a hockey game. Be back in a couple hours.
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On April 16 2015 13:37 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 13:28 Tubesock wrote:
Stutters was also trying to initiate contact and dialoque with Prplhz. He was trying to lead town and become a consensus builder.
You can totally disagree, but this shows you are not thinking about the game as much as you are letting on. Stutters695 was playing fairly well towards the end. But THAT DOES NOT MATTER WHATSOEVER FOR THE NIGHT KILL. Half the Sky is a proven player, townread by everyone, already survived pressure from rsoultin (arguably the hardest hitting player in the game, regardless of her alignment), and has been consistently playing at a high level and driving town. And Half the Sky was extremely vocal about lynching prplhz, so you can't argue that Stutters695 was killed for this reason. Instead, you suggest that mafia would kill someone who is still (at least somewhat) suspected by several people (myself included), and who only recently started playing at a truly high level? For that one sentence that some people decided to (in my opinion, stupidly) interpret as a blue claim? It's quite possible that by the end of Day 3, Stutters695 would have been a universal townread. But why would mafia take a gamble when they have a sure thing? There is no reason to assume that Stutters695 would become more townread or more influential than Half the Sky. Mafia doesn't take chances, mafia goes for the solid plays, especially in a newbie game with two straight mislynches.
Point isn't that Stutters was a good nightkill or not. Point is that you immediately knew it was HtS. I agree she's better. You didn't pause to consider it or anything.
you immediately was like "No lynch" then how many posts later "bah we can lynch". I think this is all an act man.
Anyway I have to leave for reals.
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Rsoultin is right, you guys are talking in circles.
I'll say again. Rsoultin, Prplhz, and The Shining are all town.
I'm going to prove this. I'll ask you some questions but these all have a point. Just bear with me.
When mafia decide their nightkills what is the generally accepted strategy? Seems simple right? Keep It Simple Stupid. Seems like the most logical thing to do is shoot the towniest people or the most dangerous. Ones who are on the right track or most townread. Even a mixture of the two and averaged out or something. Or confirmed towns too. We don't have any of those just yet. Sort of now though.
With all our dead towns there is a distinct pattern. It adds up to a story. Yeah, some of the points don't stand alone, but added up it's shows scum motivation.
Voting analysis is useless. HA! It's not a strong a truth as dying, but it tells the story of intention. Which leads to the truth.
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I think I know what's going on. While I think I'm right, I will acknowledge I was wrong on TheBloodyDwarf. I don't always get all the scum, but I at least get two.
Anyway, what I'm thinking.
Soren333 was widely towned. Others too probably but I think he was the most towned. In his filter he scummed TheBloodyDwarf, Onegu, Prplhz, Slotspot, and Bourneq. Holyflare subs in. So, doubly obvious night kill.
Half the Sky was also widely towned. Trfel and many others of you already agreed she was the obvious night kill. What were her big things? Big case on Onegu. Who was under suspicion? Breshke. Who was scumread? Bourneq.
Plotspot.
On April 12 2015 06:01 LoneMeow wrote:
plotspot the Vanilla Townie is lynched!
Final vote count:
TheBloodyDwarf (1): Soren333, Breshke, Tubesock, The Shining, Tubesock
Breshke (0): Onegu
The Shining (1): plotspot
Bourneq (0): prplhz
plotspot (7): Onegu, Breshke, rsoultin, prplhz, Bourneq, Soren333, Stutters695, jarjarbinks, Half the Sky, Onegu
prplhz (0): TheBloodyDwarf
Stutters695 (4): prplhz, Tubesock, TheBloodyDwarf, Half the Sky
Here's Half the Sky's assessment of Onegu's vote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480171-newbie-student-mafia-vii?page=61#1220 I also think that Onegu's vote on Breshke was a joke. He didn't say hardly anything about it (typical Onegu behavior though) and then came in calling us idiots for not being on the "scumclaim". I asked him where his vote was and then "oh "forgot" ##Vote:  lotspot. I think he was obviously looking to change his vote, that vote wasn't serious at all.
Patterns....
TheBloodyDwarf
On April 15 2015 06:01 LoneMeow wrote:
TheBloodyDwarf the Vanilla Townie is lynched!
Final vote count:
TheBloodyDwarf (5): Bourneq, The Shining, Tubesock, rsoultin, Trfel
Breshke (0): rsoultin
The Shining (1): Breshke , rsoultin, Trfel , TheBloodyDwarf
Bourneq (1): prplhz
Half the Sky (0): prplhz, rsoultin, Tubesock
prplhz (4): Stutters695, jarjarbinks, Half the Sky, Breshke
Stutters695 (0): Breshke
Stutters695 while vigi shot, there is still information. It's not as solid or anything, but things of note. He scummed Breshke. Trfel also said Stuters695 was on his most suspicious list before Stutters died. Breshke last words about Stutters while alive were "I can't vote him now but I hope I don't regret it." then votes The Shining.
I'll have individual cases on the three as well tomorrow. We have time to talk about it.
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You could be the real vet. But I'm also considering if you are fakeclaiming the real vet may not want to claim just yet. I don't mind giving it time.
You can say what you want, but this post had nothing but facts. It's all actions YOU did.
I will admit, it is entirely possible you are town or Trfel or Bourneq is. I'm going to have the rest of my thoughts out in the morning to have as much time as possible to talk about it.
MYLO is the time for town to stop and think. Then post. THINK.
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On April 16 2015 18:21 Breshke wrote:
I also don't understand why you added the vote counts into your posts they dont seem to ass anything nor do you seem to draw information from them. To me this is scummy because it is just to make your post longer and prettier.
Patterns.
Town will read this and figure out what I'm trying to say. Go ahead and dismiss it.
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On April 16 2015 18:29 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 18:24 Tubesock wrote:
You could be the real vet. But I'm also considering if you are fakeclaiming the real vet may not want to claim just yet. I don't mind giving it time.
You can say what you want, but this post had nothing but facts. It's all actions YOU did.
I will admit, it is entirely possible you are town or Trfel or Bourneq is. I'm going to have the rest of my thoughts out in the morning to have as much time as possible to talk about it.
MYLO is the time for town to stop and think. Then post. THINK. Yeah i get im dumb and made a bad play so i need to think but have you read trefels post explaining why the vet would 100% claim. I dont see why you would pursue something that literally is a waste of your time. Also that post is not about actions i did the only thing you mention i did is say i wouldnt vote stutters without explaining how that is scummy. The rest you seem to scumread me for what the fact that onegu voted me? Also that iw as in HTS "look into list" which you were also in. If you are saying that is motivation for me to NK her wouldnt you have the same exact motivation?
I did read his post about the vet and I disagree. I already said that.
I don't see why you would tell someone who is trying to figure out the game that they are wasting their time. I'm one person. Town will decide. I'm going to push my thoughts and reasonings. I think the others will either disagree or not and we will talk about it. It's pretty simple. I said you could be town. Not a lot else to talk about here.
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On April 16 2015 18:31 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 18:27 Tubesock wrote:On April 16 2015 18:21 Breshke wrote:
I also don't understand why you added the vote counts into your posts they dont seem to ass anything nor do you seem to draw information from them. To me this is scummy because it is just to make your post longer and prettier. Patterns. Town will read this and figure out what I'm trying to say. Go ahead and dismiss it. But i am town? Is this you CC'ing me? im really fucking confused.
I am not CCing. If I were there would be no question and it would be at my choosing. Not my scumreads.
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Breshke
is mafia. I think his actions so far in the game show mafia intent. I want you guys to reread Breshke again.
1. Vote progression Day 1. I already linked the Day 1 final vote. Note he voted TBD, says well maybe he's lynchbait, then parks his vote on Plotspot who was also lynchbait. This could be towny. Add this up to the rest of his actions though. While town!Breshke is capable of this so is Breshke.
2. Vote Progression Day 2. Removed votes on The Shining and Stutters695 and ends up on Prplhz because that's + Show Spoiler [what he would have wanted] +On April 15 2015 10:33 Breshke wrote:So i want to explain my EoD actions because not many people seem to be understanding. There was three wagons. Shining, who i think is scum Prp, who i was null town leanish/hadn't looked into much since D1 TBD who I had no diea about. It was obvious to me that the shining misslynch was not going to go through. The only person whow anted it in the thread as much as i did was trefel. After realising i would not get the lynch i wanted i assessed the other two wagons. Rso and shining were both voting on TBD. If shining is scum RSo is most likely his partner because the way is ee it she stopped im from getting lynched EoD. That coupled with the fact with how fast she flipped her read on me while seemingly calling me town all game leads me to think they are both scum. This lead me to the conclusion that i would rather lynch Prp than dwarf because if shining and rso are scum they would not BOTH be voting their scum partner TBD therefore it would be more likely that prp was scum than TBD Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 10:15 rsoultin wrote:
tbh i've cooled down a little -_- but i was pissed off that he was like fuck you anything you want i don't lol >< right after i said he'd had no time to defend himself so i wasn't going to push his lynch...no i may not have been able to get the votes, but i could have damn well tried and probably gotten close at least >< whatever
his play makes sense as town from the assumption that shining and i are scum -shrugs-
if anything i'm confused about the apparent strength of his scumread on shining that it provoked that reaction, because when he left the thread he made it sound like it was policy and nothing more I honestly don't know where the bolded part has come from but I want you to know whatever your alignment and whatever my allighnment this is not how i was trying to come across to you. I hoenstly did not think you would get enough votes on me and i was having a hard enough time actually finding someone i thought was scum after i flipped on bourne so i wasn't interested in trying to defend myself with like half an hour left when i felt it wasnt necessary and there was more important things to do. Interesting post. He has demonstrated that he was scumming Shining for reasons. The weird thing though is he was also "scumming" Rsoultin for basically for: On April 15 2015 05:28 Breshke wrote:
RSO could easily be scum here for thinking i was town enough to vote shining straight after i do.basically cheerleadering.me then trying to wagon me with shining when she thinks i.womt rock up(won't wake up??). But later Rso posts quite a few quotes where she says she's scumming him. So, uh it's not like he's reading the thread that well. Or misrepresenting it. So is this a reason to scum her AND also vote to kill a townlean over a "I have no idea on"? He knows both Prplhz and TheBloodyDwarf are town. How careful does Breshke have to be? This looks like scum keeping his excuses open and his miss lynches available. This is also a great example to show that he isn't really trying to solve the game.
3. Bluehunting Stutters695 + Show Spoiler [Bluehunting] +On April 12 2015 11:28 Stutters695 wrote:
Assume I'm town for a second(you'll see why d2). Prpl tries to switch the wagon onto me. From a scum perspective: He mislynches me (I get harder to mislynch as the game goes on generally) On April 13 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote:
I am really interested what stutters means by the bolded.. On April 13 2015 14:25 Breshke wrote:
Also i kind of want to vote stutters until he explains why we would all understand he was town on D2 because there's no point pretending he didn't say that. Bluehunting again. Apparently, Breshke expected Stutters695 to respond "I'm totes DOC/VET/MEDIC/WHATEVER" but instead got: On April 14 2015 10:33 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 10:31 Breshke wrote:
Stutters have you seen the reason why I am voting you? Sure have. WIFOM son. Am I blue, am I VT? Who knows, but my posting should make it pretty obvious I'm town. On April 14 2015 11:03 Breshke wrote:
I was voting him because of some comment he made in which he basically softed power role. He seemed to ignore the question when he first came back yesterday so that made me even more intrigued but i like his recent answer and am willing to let it slide until next day phase.
##Unvote What exactly did town!Breshke get from this exchange? What did Breshke get?
4. Setup Speculation + Show Spoiler [RB claim etc] +On April 14 2015 12:25 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote:On April 14 2015 11:37 Breshke wrote:On April 14 2015 11:27 Stutters695 wrote:On April 14 2015 11:03 Breshke wrote:On April 14 2015 10:51 Half the Sky wrote:Breshke, what are your thoughts on Stutters's latest comments? I honestly was going to case him based on his voting plotspot, and then realising he was in the thread, decided it'd be more efficient directly asking him xD On April 14 2015 10:26 Stutters695 wrote:On April 14 2015 09:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Stutters, you still in thread? I wanted to ask you two key questions regarding your actions D1.
D1, you expressed that Breshke was mafia. You considered prplhz and plotspot for lynch. You pushed Breshke in two posts, and I know you were AFK a bit from the thread D1, but ultimately voted plotspot after a load of people had done so.
I have two questions for you.
1 As a veteran, why were you so sure that plotspot was scumclaiming and not martyring? I understand some vets are familiar with martyring happening and prp has brought it up himself.
2 I know someone else queried you on it but I'm not seeing the response in your filter - had your thoughts on Breshke changed since D1? And if you were sure of Breshke, why didn't you push him further D1? 1. I wasn't. D1 is a bitch and I hate it. Once it was obvious Bresh/Prpl weren't options, I wanted to see one of the newbies hang because if one of them didn't, we'd be in the same predicament d2 and had basically wasted d1. I've played enough games where people martyr/give up as scum once caught early that I really don't know what to think anymore. 2. I've learned pushing lynches that won't happen just distracts town. Especially on d1 when we can afford a mislynch. I'd rather have a mislynch on someone I can't read, but I think is scum than someone I don't think is scum because I split a wagon, when d1 is a crapshoot anyway. They have changed due to his n1 posts, but I still want to see more out of him to decide. Considering you are the lead proponent of his lynch and (I could be wrong here?) you have yet to play with him, so... I was voting him because of some comment he made in which he basically softed power role. He seemed to ignore the question when he first came back yesterday so that made me even more intrigued but i like his recent answer and am willing to let it slide until next day phase. ##UnvoteI currently want to lynch bourne but i need to read what rso wrote about him again and also read your case on him. Also i think it is safe to infer we have a etup with a veteran and not a medic as noone has claimed roleblocked meaning scum most likely roleblocked HF which they would only do if they feared he was a vet. Or maybe a vigi but i find that less likely. Why? Who is going to prot the new guy? Roleblocks are notified. Noone has said they were roleblocked which you 100% do because theres no reason not to. This means that HF was roleblocked as he was killed. There is only a couple cases where this is useful. You must remember scum knows the setup If he is cop and gets medic saved he doesn't get a check (not likely if it is a cop medic setup scum would probs try spread out their kill and roleblock unless they were sure someone was a role. If he is vigi he dies and doesn't get his shot off. (This doesn't feel that important as even if the vigi shot htis town doesn't gain a miss lynch and there is a possibility of vigi hitting a town.) Finally if they know there is a vet they want to ensure that they dont have to put kp on him twice. While this doesn't gain town a miss lynch town gains a confirmed town for at least one phase. ah, nvm, i am apparently having reading comprehension issues lol >< you're referring to the possible setups not containing both a doc and a vet okay ^^ There is no setup with both doc and vet? Idk if im misreading what you mean but there is 1 of vigi/cop and one of vet/medic Im saying because of mafias roleblock im like 85% sure we have a vet.I could go further and say there is probably a vigi aswell but that logic comes down to personal preference and how much they thought HF would be a threat. On April 13 2015 08:36 Breshke wrote:
The strangest thing to me is reading sorens filter i don't really get any indication that he might be a role so mafia kind of doesn't care about role hunting? Could mean we have a weaker setup? This further strengthens your points one and kind of three i think that mafia were most worried about HF's possible future reads more than they were worried about anything anyone has been pushing so far. This being said night kill WIFOM is a real thing.
Also if you were roleblocked you should 100% tell the thread straight away. Does Town!Breshke gain anything from this? What does Breshke gain? Does this look like someone playing VET? Mafia knows if there is a vet or not. If he's the vet why would town!Breshke bother to see if people are roleblocked? He would KNOW there is no Medic. He thinks mafia will fakeclaim a roleblock and not send it on a town? If they are dumb enough to fakeclaim an RB they are dumb enough to send it on a town. He's doing this to create chaos and disrupt scumhunting.
5. I haven't played much mafia. I'm no expert who can immediately pick out future nightkills or anything but I do have an opinion on how a VET probably wants to play. How you might ask? Being super town so that mafia shoots you. You also have motive to play town enough so VIGI doesn't shoot you. Is Breshke's actions from the mindset of a vet?
6. Breshke is not stupid. There is no question that his fakeclaim vig to vet claim is a hail mary. Town, investigate a bit more please to see if this is a hail mary as town or mafia. Reread Breshke's actions. Do not accept "oh I'm dumb" as an excuse. That's the easiest mafia cop out ever. Do you think his bluehunting lines up with him being Vet? Is he doing that breadcrumbing for a town purpose or mafia purpose. Why wouldn't vet just play super town? He really would think that the other blue would be the only one to catch his hint and not one of the three mafia??
I also think that Breshke was excited this phase because he's been bluehunting all game and now he can finally use whatever his bluehunting scheme was from before. I think he decided that he was going to possibly fakeclaim from early on. This hail mary of his is to seal the deal.
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On April 17 2015 02:45 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 02:34 Trfel wrote:
I'm well aware that as of late, my play has been extremely disappointing and quite poor. And for that I apologize.
Later tonight I should have more time to play the game. I will do my best to prove my alignment (through my scumhunting) and to catch the scum. I'm looking forward to it quite a bit. why do you say this while talking to a guy who is calling you town
Interesting isn't it? Have you reread him? Like looked at the stuff he's analyzed? Does any of it seem "off"?
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On April 17 2015 02:57 prplhz wrote:
no tube
no
I'm not finished. I have more coming.
Prplhz I just want you to reconsider and read up. Breshke's vet claim could be absolutely true. But don't just discard it. Or at least look into Trfel (and my upcoming thoughts on him) and Bourneq.
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On April 17 2015 03:12 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 03:07 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 02:57 prplhz wrote:
no tube
no I'm not finished. I have more coming. Prplhz I just want you to reconsider and read up. Breshke's vet claim could be absolutely true. But don't just discard it. Or at least look into Trfel (and my upcoming thoughts on him) and Bourneq. no, i'm done lynching my townreads 
Fine lynch Bourneq he's your third right? We can agree on him. That buys us time to reach a consensus and do more investigating. I don't care about the order.
##Unvote
##Vote: Bourneq
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So far we have murdered two town. There's no one who stands out as mafia just yet. Several of you have mentioned how bad a spot town is in right now.
What are our options? Breshke does some hail mary play. Trfel mentions no lynch, oh scratch that let's lynch we can have all the blues out themselves. Why the hurry on knowing the blues? Maybe it's just bad play on my part but I think that making Mafia guess for another day could be a good idea. But this argument isn't important. Prplhz is at least looking in different areas (albeit wrong on Rsoultin). I can see he's reevaluating and thinking about things. And not bluehunting or centering around policy talk. He's pushing a lynch.
I was first suspicious of Trfel when Stutters695 posted this:
On April 14 2015 14:36 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 13:17 Tubesock wrote:On April 14 2015 13:10 Trfel wrote:
I agree that The Shining/Ace1312's slot doesn't look very good, but that's mostly for activity. I'm ignoring it for now.
At the same time, I almost wonder if he could have an easier time jumping into the thread if he is scum? Scum replacements don't really have to read the thread, they can sort of make stuff up and hope to get by. Especially in a newbie game. Obviously that isn't a very effective way to play, but many people claim to play scum without reading the thread. I don't think I agree with this at all. People are asking you stuff since you're here. If he showed up people will be asking him stuff too. In my 2nd game a newbie (I don't remember the name of it, but you were nightkilled N1 trfel in it) There was a replacement scum Scott1313371234123541235 for Gumdrops. Gum made 2 posts and was replaced. Scott's entrance was a thread sentiment list post with nice little links to the post for each player that expressed his read. He HAD to show us he read the thread and was eventually caught up. He would have died right then. Same with you, you HAVE to show you've read town or mafia. Like, you get leeway but not a pardon. This is a real good post.
Followed by this:
On April 14 2015 14:37 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 14:00 Trfel wrote:
So far, I'm not impressed with TheBloodyDwarf at all. His play is clearly not towny, there is no question of that. I guess I could see him being a stubborn SC2 Mafia player who is new to a forum mafia environment. But then, he clearly stated, in bold, that this isn't SC2 mafia. From there, I expected to see him attempting to play the forum mafia style (not necessarily succeeding, just attempting). And I haven't seen that at all yet.
His late vote without explanation pushed him from null to scum lean.
My current lynch pool is as follows (no particular order):
TheBloodyDwarf, Stutters695, The Shining, and Bourneq Is this guy scum? I really want to lynch him.
I didn't understand why Stutters695 would say what he did. I didn't really say anything in my post. I was defending The Shining on the weak premise that I didn't think town necessarily had to prove that they read the thread as fast as possible. It wasn't even a real defense, it was simply give the guy some time. Trfel was all up in his ass.
I then realized I haven't read Onegu's filter in awhile. I basically dropped it once Trfel started doing his summaries in spoilers. That definitely looked like a ton of work. A little later I noticed something kinda funny. Prplhz and Stutters695 were going at each other for the same reasons. TheBloodyDwarf tinfoils me. The replacements are going at it. It was ironic.
I was just getting a nagging feeling that Prplhz and Stutters695 were both town. Trfel I didn't see anything scummy in. He was putting in a lot of work and showing that he was thinking about the game. He was super town.
I started to reread Onegu. Half the Sky has a good case on him. I already posted it, it was big I doubt any of you missed it when she posted it. Onegu's "big" contribution is his suspicion of Rsoultin. Which is if you guys bother to look into his filter is because she didn't town him, and Rsoultin can read him better than anyone. She must be mafia. But uh, what happens if HE is mafia?
I thought his actions on Breshke, and his eod vote was weird. I attributed it to the drugs. He replaced out, so it's obviously legit. But it also seemed like he wasn't particularly serious about his Breshke vote, and knew that by the time he got back in thread there would be another wagon that will look good to jump on to. Sure enough a "scumclaim".
Onegu towned Bourneq for scumming TheBloodyDwarf. On April 10 2015 23:33 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 18:54 Bourneq wrote:
Good morning!
Dwarf I am interested in how you did not know what scum means. It is meantioned twice in the OP and twice in the followup post right after. Seeing how you missed the part about editing it makes a bit more sense since you obviously did not read the thing. But under coaches for example it says
Town:
Scum:
It is pretty hard to missunderstand what scum in this context means. As a fellow newbie I understand you could be speaking the truth but did you really not read the OP? Prplhz I actually like this post, wouldn't lynch him today for this post
Before this Onegu does give Bourneq heat. I think it's safe to "bus" him in this case as Onegu isn't exactly known to be forceful with his lynch targets. Alone this reaction means nothing. But in context....
But you know, he did claim town and not VT so we shouldn't be worried.
On April 10 2015 08:20 Onegu wrote:
It's my meta if I claimed VT that's when you should look out for me.
So, Onegu's play is what Trfel is stuck with. He's smart, he knows he can't explain any of it. The best strategy by far is to compensate for it. He knows that he has a reputation for solid case building and analysis. As town he knows he will get some heat if he doesn't perform. He did a little, but it didn't last very long and he quickly became massively townread for his massive effort.
Still. Up to Day 3 there's really nothing. His play looks really towny.
HtS and Stutters die. 3 minutes after Day post:
On April 16 2015 06:03 Trfel wrote:
I figured that Half the Sky would die.
But why would the vigilante possibly save their shot? And why would they ever shoot Stutters695?
Newbie games are loaded with vigilante targets. Bourneq was far and away the best candidate.
Well, we're now at MYLO. I don't even know if we're allowed to mislynch(corrects this to No Lynch)?
Pushes No Lynch. Thirty minutes later:
On April 16 2015 06:32 Trfel wrote:
I guess, part of me is tempted to just go ahead and lynch today now.
Don't get me wrong, no lynch is definitely the best play. But lynching feels like it will just speed things up, and I'm not sure how much of a difference it will make. We're kind of dead either way.
I can go with whatever people want to do.
I also retract my super strong townread on Breshke now.
Reread the thread from Day 3 post on. To me I think mafia Trfel has every incentive to post exactly like he is. There is a light at the end of the tunnel for him if we lynch today. This could be a town Trfel too.
I read Breshke's and Trfel's interactions together and I can't help to think it looks like a play. Like teamwork. Then I have the revelation. MAFIA CAN ALL WORK ON THE THREAD ANALYSIS THAT TRFEL DID. He's not necessarily the only one doing it. I have played team sports all my life. I can't imagine the mafia team in their own private QT wouldn't coordinate and execute plays. I get many don't, they stay fluid and whatnot but it seems silly to discard that.
Trfel could be town. All I ask is reread the guy and think about how a scumTrfel replacement would have to act. How is Day 3 play so far can easily be mafia motivated. He's fully capable of playing this way as mafia and he wants the lynch today. He doesn't think we are going to lynch mafia.
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Need a break before I continue with my case on Bourneq and why Rsoultin is town. Bourneq will probably be done later this evening though I do have work I have to actually do.
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On April 17 2015 03:34 Trfel wrote:
Just read over the first page of Tubesock's filter. He actually could be scum here.
His early posts seem to be more white knighting, and he's providing fewer useful scumreads than I expected. Perhaps it's just confirmation bias, though.
When I get out of class, I'll take a look at the rest of it.
How much thought have you put into me before this post?
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Read the bolded and the only nested quote that is really relevant to my point is the first one.
On April 17 2015 05:30 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 03:43 Tubesock wrote:On April 17 2015 03:34 Trfel wrote:
Just read over the first page of Tubesock's filter. He actually could be scum here.
His early posts seem to be more white knighting, and he's providing fewer useful scumreads than I expected. Perhaps it's just confirmation bias, though.
When I get out of class, I'll take a look at the rest of it. How much thought have you put into me before this post? Only what I collected on you in my four catch-up posts, and what came up in discussion.Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 03:37 prplhz wrote:On April 17 2015 03:34 Trfel wrote:
Just read over the first page of Tubesock's filter. He actually could be scum here.
His early posts seem to be more white knighting, and he's providing fewer useful scumreads than I expected. Perhaps it's just confirmation bias, though.
When I get out of class, I'll take a look at the rest of it. why do you make a giant post saying you'll look over me and rso and then you go and look over tube? I had five minutes. You and prplhz are bigger tasks. I posted what I did because I wanted to see what people said, and in hopes that others would look into the things that I mentioned.
On April 16 2015 07:07 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 07:04 prplhz wrote:
i can't. rso is scum because she's really good at mafia but she only done mafia things and she's notting putting in that effort she does as town. especially letting two townies getting lynched while acting like she hadn't a clue what a tone read is. anyway i suggest we don't no lynch today, me or rso go go go. i'll tell you the other two scum before i die but i'm a little less sure of them.
shoutout to onegu for getting this right on d1. I don't know, to be honest I've sort of been assuming that rsoultin is town all game long. The reason being that it would take a lot of time and effort to try and lynch rsoultin, and I feel that her being mafia isn't terribly likely. And I'd only lynch her if I could be darn sure that I'm right. Basically, I'm just putting it off. I'm a procrastinator. I agree with you that rsoultin is capable of playing at a noticeably higher level than this. But I'm not convinced that this makes her scum.
On April 17 2015 03:02 Trfel wrote:
Tubesock....
Sorry, but I can't lynch an non-cc'd blue. Breshke is absolutely town unless someone counterclaims. Everything else simply doesn't matter.
So, Trfel accuses me of being lazy. Yet, only just now got to my filter. He's procrastinating on Rsoultin even though "she is capable of playing at a noticeably higher level". He's digging into me because my scumread quote ratio is too low. He also won't entertain at all the possibility that Breshke is faking again. He is making excuses not to scumhunt.
Reread his Day 3 beginning actions. He's acting. He isn't talking about scumhunting. He's wanting to talk about how we should no lynch/lynch, if the blues should claim. Let the fucking blues decide. Where does he do any scumhunting? Oh after I put his name in red on my vote post. I'll get to his rebuttal in a few minutes.
He's arguing that both him and Breshke are town. I'm mafia. He's saying that first time ever mafia!Tubesock would see 2 towns doing weird claiming/role/lynch speculation and not let them go for it. He's saying that I would go in there and effectively stop the conversation and steer it back to scumhunting. To make people reconsider the game. To make town look at myself, and he's also saying I would take one of the biggest townreads in the game. That I would go against someone who has a good reputation for case building. That I'm telling town to THINK.
Why would I EVER want to lead town to a scumhunting centric position if I were mafia? I stopped Breshke from continuing focus on his play. I refocused town. Yeah. Really scummy there. You think I'm going to let Trfel derail this by talking about if Breshke is vet or not? No, we are going to talk about scum motivations.
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I didn't spoonfeed the analysis because I want to see who actually reads it and thinks about it.
I'm hoping someone comes to me and asks "what did you mean about this paragraph" etc. Then I'll explain it.
You guys are playing to whomever is the best arguer. Not doing independent research.
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